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Wolfbeckett
06-03-2008, 02:23 PM
Associated Press (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jwm8wu3jZWZLcKfIlycqFqFegknwD9126HN8A)

So it looks like capped bandwidth is being seriously considered by internet providers. I personally consider this outrageous. Some excerpts from the article in italics followed by my commentary:

You're used to paying extra if you use up your cell phone minutes, but will you be willing to pay extra if your home computer goes over its Internet allowance?

Starting with the very first sentence. Cell phone companies are actually moving away from that billing structure. Their customers do not like it. More and more cell phone plans are offering more and more "unlimited minutes" options for precisely that reason.

Just 5 percent of the company's subscribers take up half of the capacity on local cable lines, Leddy said. Other cable Internet service providers report a similar distribution.

How is that the fault of those 5% of users? Should we all be punished because Time Warner can't provide the bandwidth they promised? If they promise their customers, for example, 2 Mbps download, and then cannot provide that speed to all of those customers at once, is that not their fault for selling a service they cannot provide?

Time Warner Cable had said in January that it was planning to conduct the trial in Beaumont, but did not give any details. On Monday, Leddy said its tiers will range from $29.95 a month for relatively slow service at 768 kilobits per second and a 5-gigabyte monthly cap to $54.90 per month for fast downloads at 15 megabits per second and a 40-gigabyte cap. Those prices cover the Internet portion of subscription bundles that include video or phone services. Both downloads and uploads will count toward the monthly cap.

Their numbers are just beyond belief. $30 per month for less than 1 Mbps and only 5 gigs of combined download and upload? Oops, hope you guys don't enjoy being able to play your PS3 and Xbox360 games online, because those devices access the internet and use up your bandwidth. You better really pray you don't get any spyware on your computer that turns it into a spambot or DOS zombie, because those will put you over the limit within a day or two, resulting in huge overcap bills. Don't know what that means or how to prevent? Tough, I can almost guarantee their is a clause in their TOS that says you are responsible for the data coming out of your computer, no matter what. The highest amount of bandwidth you can pay for in one month is 40 gigs? Don't make me laugh, if I go on a major Youtube bender I could probably use several gigs of that in just a few hours, and if I want to stream a movie through Netflix, whom I have a subscription with, well damn, that's 5 gigs or so of my monthly usage right there. At these prices, it costs MORE to stream a movie through Netflix then it costs to go to Blockbuster and rent it, even accounting for gas costs. This doesn't even begin to cover my actual internet usage, for example, downloading anime fansubs (for shows unlicensed iin this country, don't judge me!) which probably uses up 15-20 gigs of bandwidth per month easily.

If anyone else has any comments I'd love to hear them. This is a big deal to me as a consumer, especially because I do not have a choice. Where I live, I have 1 cable internet provider available to me, Cox Cable. There is no DSL in my area. If Cox goes this route I will have 3 choices:

1.) Bend over and take it like a prison *****
2.) Get dial-up and pretend I'm a caveman
3.) Cancel my internet and move to the middle of the forest where I can live in a log cabin and eat grass

Needless to say I don't like any of these 3 choices. Don't we have anti-monopoly laws to prevent these very attempts to screw the consumer? Oops, I forgot that these days the government is basically cuddle-buddies with big businesses, my bad.

ewave14
06-03-2008, 03:13 PM
People will cancel their service and switch to whoever offers unlimited. ISPs are already starting to throttle their speeds at peak hours which is bs. If you pay for advertised speeds, thats what you should get. Thats whats happening to me, at peak hours my connection speed is not even close to 1mb and im paying for 5mb. My ISP is suppose to come look at my connection to see if anything is wrong, but i know its their throttling because at 3am i get my 4mb speed. I might just have to get another provider.

Wolfbeckett
06-04-2008, 09:24 AM
The problem is that a lot of people can't get new providers. I, for example, live too far away from any DSL stations so it isn't offered to me. If my cable internet provider decides to do anything I don't like, I have to either deal with it or get dial-up. I aint going back to priso... dial-up!

nicko68
06-04-2008, 09:31 AM
It's already like that up here in Canada. I'm on DSL, and I'm on an "unlimited" grandfathered plan (though my speed kinda sucks -- supposed to be 3mbps and I'm getting 1.7 --, and they "say" that it can't be made faster, but I don't believe them). But any new plans have a 60GB cap, then you pay extra.

Cable up here has unspecified caps, and if you go over, you get booted.

And, of course, everyone throttles "bad" traffic (i.e. Bittorrent)

killer_roach
06-04-2008, 11:37 AM
Canada has had metered Internet for a while.

That aside, as noxious as it is for most of us, metering looks to be the wave of the future for maintaining network quality of service with a neutral network. Granted, there are other possible avenues that service providers will pursue, but it's one of the easiest ways to reduce network congestion.

Of course, what would be optimal would be to have metered and unmetered plan packages, and use the lower price of the metered plans to attract new customers and partially cross-subsidize the unmetered plans, but I don't think most are thinking that far ahead. (For me, since I use my work computer most of the time, I rarely exceed 30GB of transfer in a month... pretty much only if I'm using BitTorrent regularly do I hit that mark, let alone a higher target)

Colt_Steele
06-04-2008, 11:42 AM
This isn't about bandwidth, this is about 3rd parties lining somebody's pockets to combat file-sharing.

Wolfbeckett
06-04-2008, 11:50 AM
It's mainly about ISP's overselling the bandwidth they can offer and then punishing us for it instead of upgrading their friggin' network infrastructure every now and then. Honestly they could add more bandwidth if they wanted to, but instead they're saying "No, we're going to not give you what we promised instead." It's crap like this that causes America to currently be in like 15th or 16th place in the developed world regarding broadband penetration.

Colt_Steele
06-04-2008, 11:54 AM
Everything will be locked down by government regulation eventually, but I think the internet will be one of the last things to go. Once I get rich I'm moving to Europe.

killer_roach
06-04-2008, 12:15 PM
It's mainly about ISP's overselling the bandwidth they can offer and then punishing us for it instead of upgrading their friggin' network infrastructure every now and then. Honestly they could add more bandwidth if they wanted to, but instead they're saying "No, we're going to not give you what we promised instead." It's crap like this that causes America to currently be in like 15th or 16th place in the developed world regarding broadband penetration.

Actually, it's America's exceptionally low population density that causes us to be that far down the rankings... it's a lot cheaper to wire things up when everybody lives in a few huge cities, and not so much in a state like, say, Montana, with a population density of 6 people per square mile (in contrast, the country of South Korea is about 1300 people per square mile, and the city of Tokyo is about 15,000 people per square mile). Even a rather dense US state like New Jersey, at 1100 people per square mile, doesn't even rival that.

Wolfbeckett
06-04-2008, 12:28 PM
And if that's why the ISP's aren't upgrading, that's fine, but don't then turn around and tell me that you can guarantee me X bandwidth when you know full well that your network cannot possibly provide that to all of your customers. Further, do not impose arbitrary caps on me just because I happen to be one of the few users who tries to use the amount that I am paying for.

Note when I say "you" I mean the ISP's, not you roach :).

killer_roach
06-04-2008, 12:46 PM
And if that's why the ISP's aren't upgrading, that's fine, but don't then turn around and tell me that you can guarantee me X bandwidth when you know full well that your network cannot possibly provide that to all of your customers. Further, do not impose arbitrary caps on me just because I happen to be one of the few users who tries to use the amount that I am paying for.

Note when I say "you" I mean the ISP's, not you roach :).

I'm surprised nobody's tried this, but it's probably only a matter of time before a cable ISP makes a marketing statement based off of the consistency of their connection speeds (probably, with a metered system, Time Warner will probably be the first to do so). Then watch as we start seeing a "reliability war" similar to the "uptime war" among Web hosts :D

ewave14
06-04-2008, 07:04 PM
My time warner roadrunner is horrible right now. Is it possible to sue them for false advertising? Im no where near getting advertised speeds. 50 bucks for 5mb, and i get 600kbps, the upload is almost faster.

I mean Dell got in trouble, but that was for bad business practice and false advertising. I would think time warner would fall under that category of false advertising.

Dell story http://www.speedguide.net/read_news.php?id=2605 (good website to check your net speed)

killer_roach
06-04-2008, 07:12 PM
600kbps, or 600KB/sec? If it's the latter, you're getting the advertised speed.

ewave14
06-04-2008, 07:21 PM
730 kbps down (~0.73 Mbps, 89 KB/s)
482 kbps up (~0.48 Mbps, 59 KB/s)
14 times faster than 56k dialup

Test i just did.