Why I Choose GuitarHero:WorldTour over RockBand (Sskitzzo Cameo: Expert Drum Duel)

[RyBu]

All right.

Many people here say "why bail on RockBand? So much DLC, this and that is so awesome, GH sucks...."... Most I agree with. But there is one thing I know FOR SURE that GH:WT will do that RockBand didn't, hasn't, never will, never cared to, or give a small shi* about... make good instruments.

How many of us drummers have RMA'd our kits?
How many have done it more than once? twice? three times? a lady?
How many complaints have we made, begging for new kits?
How many people have said "I'm done with RB because the instruments suck/I'll never get into RB because I heard the instruments suck"?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/gotomraykain/bullcrud.jpg

I know sskitzzo is a better drummer than I am (not by much :) ).... and it has nothing to do with the fact that he beat me when I "should have won".... it just goes to show that with garbage instruments that double hit, miss random notes, and just plain suck... you can only get a certain degree of enjoyment out of the game.

I LUCKILY FCed Can't Let Go yesterday with perfect squeezes and went crazy on the BRE, but my green failed at the last hit so I lost the chance to grab first place on the leaderboards... just things like that that I hate so much...

RB needs to up their quality, or they will lose hundreds/thousands to GH:WT.... just my opinion... I know 80 out of the top 100 drummers feel the same way as well.

[Tom Imp]

How can anyone say, with any level of certainty, that the GH instruments won't be as bad or even worse?

Answer: They can't.

[thedoorsdk]

Never had a single problem with my drums.
Got the game in Dec.
Expert drummer, I play all the time.
So...meh.

[ogmccart]

How can anyone say, with any level of certainty, that the GH instruments won't be as bad or even worse?

Answer: They can't.

Nicely put

[sevenduffs]

How much can you really care? They replace them for free and HMX makes high quality software. The insessent breaking of 360s hasn't slowed down the sale of those and it's because there's many high excellent titles on the 360. It's the software that you're playing, not the hardware.

[RyBu]

Let's see...

I guess for me to automatically assume they will have flawless instruments would be wrong... but, I do know that it's the most powerful company in the industry, and so far every single suggestion/complaint/idea we've had here on these forums... they've answered.

Band World Tour online
Battle of the Bands
Custom Songs
The Eagles (questionable still??)

But hey, at least we have lots of open minded people here who believe that GH is just going to fail right? Nope... no mindless fanboys here....

[RyBu]

How much can you really care? They replace them for free and HMX makes high quality software. The insessent breaking of 360s hasn't slowed down the sale of those and it's because there's many high excellent titles on the 360. It's the software that you're playing, not the hardware.

Wrong/Wrong/Wrong...

They don't replace them anymore.. you only have 60 days. I bought mine in November.... do I still get a replacement?

If you buy something from someone, what good is the refund/exchange of product if it still sucks?

A 360 costs $400 and gives me a multitude of games I can play on. Replacing that would be a lot worse than replacing a GAME and the HARDWARE of the game, for a better, more complete, EFFICIENT version....

RB = $180, allows me to play.... RB... with horrible instruments...

XBOX 360 = $400, allows me to play.... xbox 360 games.... period



Once again... no mindless fanboys here.

[sevenduffs]

But the product doesn't suck. You're going to a new game which you haven't played based on the quality of the hardware.

[Tom Imp]

But hey, at least we have lots of open minded people here who believe that GH is just going to fail right? Nope... no mindless fanboys here....

Who said anything about it failing?

Answer: No one.


Gotta love someone who puts faith in a product that isn't even on the market though. Who's the fanboy now?

[cromartie90000]

Then stop posting here already and go join the GH forums and post there when their game comes out. This is just a waste of time. "My drums broke I hate RB now, boo hoo, I'm gonna go buy GH world tour." That's nice, we all give a **** about you, certainly. All because of you we are gonna lose interest and give up playing RB, and HMX will drop everything to fix everyone's, then they'll all quit their job and go home because GH is going to put them out of business.

[RyBu]

Gotta love someone who puts faith in a product that isn't even on the market though. Who's the fanboy now?


Wait.... are the only people on these forums right now seriously little kids?

Look at the facts. What, as a consumer, do I want?

Value....

I'm putting faith in a product that isn't even on the market.... yep. Good argument. I should have gone to best buy and tested RB before I got it huh. I also shouldn't have spent months researching, getting excited, talking on forums, telling my friends, saving money or any of that until I played it first huh.

What's the point of even announcing games if we can't try them right?

Putting faith in a product that isn't out? How bout putting faith in a company. Tell me, what has HMX said about RB2, purchasable patches, Who's Next album, BTW Online Patch, new instruments, or anything other than the weekly DLC?

How come GH:WT has told us that it has everything WE'VE asked for and HMX hasn't said sh*t to it's loyal fans?

I've been a RB supporter from Feb 07 ok.... don't try to pull any Activision/EA fanboy bullsh*t. I'm just saying I've been let down...

Not by the DLC, not by not patching things in the game we should have to pay for, not by any of that.... I've been let down because I'm left in the dark, with garbage instruments, and no word of a future with this game. A game that I'm throwing $$$$ into every week...


And for those out there with perfect instruments that never fail.... DIAF

[toMsons1987]

Well, RB can lose thousands of players to GH:WT but it's okay cause we still have way over 3 million left!..

[fiasco]

If they have no faith in this product, why not put faith in another product? Red Octane has a history of producing reliable hardware. I personally don't plan on getting GH:WT, but I'm certainly not going to spend any more money on HMX's products if they continue to produce unreliable hardware and screw over consumers by not replacing said unreliable hardware. The whole 60 day warranty would be a complete non-issue if they invested more time and money into designing reliable hardware.

[theblob]

Then stop posting here already and go join the GH forums and post there when their game comes out. This is just a waste of time. "My drums broke I hate RB now, boo hoo, I'm gonna go buy GH world tour." That's nice, we all give a **** about you, certainly. All because of you we are gonna lose interest and give up playing RB, and HMX will drop everything to fix everyone's, then they'll all quit their job and go home because GH is going to put them out of business.


You apparently do not understand the message of his post.

He <3 rock band, but he can not play it half the time because the peripherals given with his game suck. Honestly the GHWT thing just could have been left out RyBu because it only complicates things and people think fanboy this fanboy that. ITS A VIDEO GAME NOT A SPORTS TEAM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. If he wants to buy/play both then don't chastise him.

Meh. Continue on.

[cromartie90000]

Wait.... are the only people on these forums right now seriously little kids?

Look at the facts. What, as a consumer, do I want?

Value....

I'm putting faith in a product that isn't even on the market.... yep. Good argument. I should have gone to best buy and tested RB before I got it huh. I also shouldn't have spent months researching, getting excited, talking on forums, telling my friends, saving money or any of that until I played it first huh.

What's the point of even announcing games if we can't try them right?

Putting faith in a produce that isn't out? How bout putting faith in a company. Tell me, what has HMX said about RB2, purchasable patches, Who's Next album, BTW Online Patch, new instruments, or anything other than the weekly DLC?

How come GH:WT has told us that it has everything WE'VE asked for and HMX hasn't said sh*t to it's loyal fans?

I've been a RB supporter from Feb 07 ok.... don't try to pull any Activision/EA fanboy bullsh*t. I'm just saying I've been let down...

Not by the DLC, not by not patching things in the game we should have to pay for, not by any of that.... I've been let down because I'm left in the dark, with garbage instruments, and no word of a future with this game. A game that I'm throwing $$$$ into every week...


And for those out there with perfect instruments that never fail.... DIAF

Value? Your logic is flawed. You're thinking RB has ****ty instruments and that GH world Tour will have PERFECT FLAWLESS instruments. Let me remind you about the Les Paul controller, with a DETACHABLE neck. Mine lasted a couple of months before the button stopped registering.

I you ask me, GH and RB are in the same boat when it comes to controllers, when it comes to the actual game RB is better. I do use the LP controller but I had to buy another because the first one broke. Right out of the box the blue button on the second one didn't work. Magically it started working on it's own.

Don't be surprised when you buy the new GH and all your **** won't work.

Also, why SHOULD HMX tell us everything they have planned? Activision and GH are showing their future games off, and boasting about them because they're SCARED of RB. If RB let all of their secrets out, especially on here, GH would be able to counter. If RB says "Oh we've got this planned for RB2 and these bands and this song and blah blah blah," their competitors will try to out-do them. They're trying to play their cards carefully if you ask me.

[Tom Imp]

Not saying you shouldn't be excited about the new GH. Hell, I personally love the look of their drum set. Only thing that would make a set perfect in my opinion is to have 4 pads, 2 cymbals, and the kicker. Both right now are just slightly missing that mark.

As for not hearing anything from Harmonix, you do realize that if they came out right now and said they were doing this or doing that, Activision would probably pounce and add that to their game, right? If you don't understand that, then I don't know what to tell you. If Activision is so forthcoming with info, then why don't they release their full set list? Because Harmonix would probably pounce as well.

All I'm saying is give them some time. If they don't announce what you want to hear by the time GH:WT is released, then you have full right to rip them a new one. I know I probably will.

[RyBu]

All I'm saying is give them some time. If they don't announce what you want to hear by the time GH:WT is released, then you have full right to rip them a new one. I know I probably will.

Okay. I totally get what you're saying, but it goes a little bit before Acti even announced GH:WT's features. We've been left in the dark for a long, long time now.

Remember the Disturbed/Best Buy promo? We (us forum-ers) had to beg HMX to give us info on it because at the time it was all hear/say...

Remember the same thing with the McDonald's promo?

We find out first... then they elab? That seems backwards. How bout we hear something from the fuc*ing source for once? This isn't a cheap game at all... and leaving loyal customers in the dark is HORRIBLE business.

About GH's track list.. I'm sure it's not even 100&#37; compiled yet, and regardless... that's the last thing I personally would be looking for. I've been introduced to so many bands from GH/RB... I'm not worried about not having power bands (The Mother Hips for life!)



And about the Gibson LP.... yea, I feel you man. My green button failed horribly.. twice in a row actually. But you know what, Activision talked about a recall. It was on their website the first three days after the game was launched. Look at your GH:3 box. If the orange button on the box is yellow... you had a chance of having faulty gear.... instead of a recall, they had the stores refund you and they sent back the gear to refurb.... It lasted about.. .a month. Problems here and there yea.. that's fine...

I'd take that over this 7 months crap with HMX.... there's a post on the first three pages right NOW that says "I just got RB... WTF"... so I mean... cmon.

Also, it's a lot less a fuss to complain about a $80 item than $180... just me though.. I'm not Bill Gates.

[cromartie90000]

Okay. I totally get what you're saying, but it goes a little bit before Acti even announced GH:WT's features. We've been left in the dark for a long, long time now.

Remember the Disturbed/Best Buy promo? We (us forum-ers) had to beg HMX to give us info on it because at the time it was all hear/say...

Remember the same thing with the McDonald's promo?

We find out first... then they elab? That seems backwards. How bout we hear something from the fuc*ing source for once? This isn't a cheap game at all... and leaving loyal customers in the dark is HORRIBLE business.

About GH's track list.. I'm sure it's not even 100% compiled yet, and regardless... that's the last thing I personally would be looking for. I've been introduced to so many bands from GH/RB... I'm not worried about not having power bands (The Mother Hips for life!)



And about the Gibson LP.... yea, I feel you man. My green button failed horribly.. twice in a row actually. But you know what, Activision talked about a recall. It was on their website the first three days after the game was launched. Look at your GH:3 box. If the orange button on the box is yellow... you had a chance of having faulty gear.... instead of a recall, they had the stores refund you and they sent back the gear to refurb.... It lasted about.. .a month. Problems here and there yea.. that's fine...

I'd take that over this 7 months crap with HMX.... there's a post on the first three pages right NOW that says "I just got RB... WTF"... so I mean... cmon.

Also, it's a lot less a fuss to complain about a $80 item than $180... just me though.. I'm not Bill Gates.

You do make sense. Touche.

[MarkHawk]

I do not know why I am getting into this but...

The game isn't out and who is to say what level of excellence it is.

RB2 hasn't been announced but they have always been good with PR and giving back to the community. No doubt they'll continue that trend into RB2.

GH has 4 games coming out in the next 12 months. No offense to them, but at what level of quality can that mean? GH3 was a rushed year job and GH4 being such the big change it is requires more development time.

This is the same company that said screw you using your purchased gear on other games without our permission.

HMX equipment has had some failures. But they also took a leap into the future a year ago. GH is playing catch up while Rock Band has been developing the future.

without HMX there would be no band... or world tour.

[Serpentd]

Everyone here has made a good point in one way or another. However my opinion also lies with the OP. I have went through way over 3 drum sets. More like 10+. However I also purchased them at Best Buy with the 2 year replacement plan so I was less picky when I wanted a new set. When I start to notice more dropped notes then usuall then I would take it back right away. So no I didn't crack the heads 10 times or anything like that.

However that should never be an issue with a drum in the first place. You have to ask yourself when making a drum set, "what are people going to do with this"?

Well that's easy, they are going to HIT the damn thing.:rolleyes:

But regardless, they are so unreliable that I am finally fed up with even taking them back for a new set. I just would like to see a set of descent periphrials for once. I trully wonder what that's like. Not to mention I'm sick and tired of dealing with drum MODS to make them work properly in the first place. Gum rubber, socks, a real pedal and so on.

I won't get rid of RB because I have too much invested in it and it is still fun when everything works right. But at the same time I will definitely buy the GH:WT when it's out. And trully the only reason I'm considering it is because of the crappy RB drums. Nothing more. If it has cool songs and everything else it's hyped up to be, then great I get that with it. The one thing I am pretty sure about is that the GH drums can't be any worse then the RB ones. That alone is a pretty easy bet.:)

[CENACHAINGANG54]

Never had a single problem with my drums.
Got the game in Dec.
Expert drummer, I play all the time.
So...meh.

I love when people make this comment. Let me tell you you are definitely in the minority! 17 Drumsets and I am still dropping notes! The set I am about to review will be set number 18 and hopefully the last one.

Rybu I hear ya. As I know I should be in the top 100 if not higher, but faulty equipment has made me not care about career, and I stay on DLC where it does not matter to some. Some of these top drummers not all are using seriously modified kits, some are actualy kits that has been modified. If they had to go to a competition they would be hurting as it would not be allowed.

However like the other poster said, we do not know if GH 4's instrauments are going to be any better until the game comes out. Sure Activision is talking a good game. This is the same thing boxers do yo get into their opponents head. Usually the one with the biggest mouth is the one that falls first. Except in Muhammad Ali's case.


So before everyone starts throwing their Rock Band away, let's give Harmonix a chance to answer. The problem for some of you will be that they are not going to answer until they are good and ready and feel it is the right time.

Besides me get rid of Rock Band? You are crazy! I am in too deep with DLC 161 total songs now.

[CCDaDon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/gotomraykain/bullcrud.jpg

I know sskitzzo is a better drummer than I am (not by much :) ).... and it has nothing to do with the fact that he beat me when I "should have won".... it just goes to show that with garbage instruments that double hit, miss random notes, and just plain suck... you can only get a certain degree of enjoyment out of the game.


ever think your path just sucked badly?

[RyBu]

I do not know why I am getting into this but...

The game isn't out and who is to say what level of excellence it is.

RB2 hasn't been announced but they have always been good with PR and giving back to the community. No doubt they'll continue that trend into RB2.

GH has 4 games coming out in the next 12 months. No offense to them, but at what level of quality can that mean? GH3 was a rushed year job and GH4 being such the big change it is requires more development time.

This is the same company that said screw you using your purchased gear on other games without our permission.

HMX equipment has had some failures. But they also took a leap into the future a year ago. GH is playing catch up while Rock Band has been developing the future.

without HMX there would be no band... or world tour.


Ok. I agree/disagree.

Yea, 4 games in 1 year could knock the quality... but they have the STRONG GH community sealed. GH fanboys are the worst. They think RB is garbage, not hip, and easy.... pretty much false across the board....

The only competition for GH is RB, that would mean that in order to dominate the music gaming industry, GH has to take out it's sole competitor... RB.

How do they do that? Offer what RB doesn't... They've started with adding the features we've requested here... what makes you think they'll stop there.

Sure it's speculation that their instrument will be better. I know that regardless of the drums, 6 button guitars will add a level of difficulty that we don't know yet. I guess I'm basing it off hope. I'm saying in a nutshell...

HMX... why have you let us down? Sure, there are the fans here that would never speak awry of you, no matter how crappy the periphs are... no matter how long you go w/o announcements.... no matter how long you keep us in the dark about the future.... no matter how you patch in an option to give customers the opportunity to purchase more DLC so you can get more money... but not an option for us to play it with each other..... no matter what you do. But HMX.... why have you let the rest of us down?

Tell us ANYTHING. One thing about the future of RB..... ONE THING!! Something, even a teaser, that will grab us. Not a stupid DLC band... something about the GAME. Patch? RB2? New Periphs? Better Periphs? ANYTHING.... you're losing SOME of us...

[RyBu]

ever think your path just sucked badly?

haha a joke? Like... I know the camera phone quality sucks.. but you can see the NS right? I've been playing since the game came out.... The path is pretty much 0/0/0/0/0 right?

=)

[cuddie]

To all those who say they have perfect drumsets: are you at a level where you're good enough to consistently FC songs? Have you FCed anything at all for that matter? I have yet to see a perfect unmodded set. Look at the top drummers. Someguy. He doesn't even use the RB drumset. Gurnkiller, azure. Socks. IBite. Mousepads.

You may think you have a perfect set, but most likely you're just blaming yourself for dropped or double hit notes.

As for announcements, I'm still waiting for the Metal Pack. It was never officially announced but it's the only unreleased pack from the leaked article in OXM.

[MarkHawk]

Ok. I agree/disagree.

Yea, 4 games in 1 year could knock the quality... but they have the STRONG GH community sealed. GH fanboys are the worst. They think RB is garbage, not hip, and easy.... pretty much false across the board....

The only competition for GH is RB, that would mean that in order to dominate the music gaming industry, GH has to take out it's sole competitor... RB.

How do they do that? Offer what RB doesn't... They've started with adding the features we've requested here... what makes you think they'll stop there.

Sure it's speculation that their instrument will be better. I know that regardless of the drums, 6 button guitars will add a level of difficulty that we don't know yet. I guess I'm basing it off hope. I'm saying in a nutshell...

HMX... why have you let us down? Sure, there are the fans here that would never speak awry of you, no matter how crappy the periphs are... no matter how long you go w/o announcements.... no matter how long you keep us in the dark about the future.... no matter how you patch in an option to give customers the opportunity to purchase more DLC so you can get more money... but not an option for us to play it with each other..... no matter what you do. But HMX.... why have you let the rest of us down?

Tell us ANYTHING. One thing about the future of RB..... ONE THING!! Something, even a teaser, that will grab us. Not a stupid DLC band... something about the GAME. Patch? RB2? New Periphs? Better Periphs? ANYTHING.... you're losing SOME of us...

Im not worried in the amount of games coming out really. When you take a step back and look its 3 teams. One working on GH4, one on GHDS(on tour), and one working on Areosmith and Metallica. Im sure that since 2 of these titles are rapping up they are moving on to work with either Metallica and GH4.

My concern is development time. But I hear your concerns, agree there is a hardware issues, agree that HMX promotions do get leaked (not their fault) but is a problem, and that HMX needs to deliver ultimately on plans for the future. When they plan to do so it up to them. Like some have said "act to soon and its a GH4 feature" like many features stated in the want section here. Hopefully both team deliver the good. DLC prices stay lower if there is a competition.

Also making a band exclusive is dumb but EA has done this as well. (Cough Cough EA NFL)

[Jixzer]

Not going to get too involved in this argument except to say that I understand the frustration with the periphs. However, the only thing I blame on HMX was not making EA make better gear. HMX made the game and did an excellent job. HMX didn't totally drop the ball, though some of the blame certainly lies on them for releasing early knowing the instruments were sub-par...but don't forget to point a finger at EA as well. The instruments were ultimately their responsibility to build. So, both are to blame...some might say equally.

GH? No comment there since there's currently nothing to comment about outside of announcements.

[tjwilli3]

how can you easily bet that the GH drums will be any better? for one thing they are dabbling with new technology with their "pressure sensitive" heads. what proof is there that the GH:WT drums will be anything other than total crap?

[litaljohn]

i like how everyone complains about rock band and already "made the switch" to a product that does not yet exist, and we won't know how well it is going to work or register, but because the company said it'll be good, it must be true!

I don't have a problem with people comparing rock band to things or complaining but when its compared to something that can not be compared to what the heck is your point you don't know if something better is out there to come at them with....

you know what screw rock band and gh WT. I heard in 5 years we will get a game with double pedals and real cymbols and 17 different drum heads to hit! im jumping ship right now guys I want you all to know because instead of just switching to another game and leaving, I have to make a big stink about it and pout first so everyone will know I'm gone.....

for anyone who knows jim norton quotes fill in the blank "uggh, slip in a puddle of ____"

[Ryder35]

To all those who say they have perfect drumsets: are you at a level where you're good enough to consistently FC songs? Have you FCed anything at all for that matter? I have yet to see a perfect unmodded set. Look at the top drummers. Someguy. He doesn't even use the RB drumset. Gurnkiller, azure. Socks. IBite. Mousepads.

You may think you have a perfect set, but most likely you're just blaming yourself for dropped or double hit notes.

As for announcements, I'm still waiting for the Metal Pack. It was never officially announced but it's the only unreleased pack from the leaked article in OXM.

A good point here and I feel for those who are god enough to have a serious problem with dropped notes. From an economic standpoint though what percentage of people who buy rock band will ever be able to FC songs on expert drums? Is it in Harmonix's interest economically to produce more expensive peripherals for those people?

Maybe the route lies in a 3rd party, or harmonix, producing premium controllers that those who are serious about the game would buy. The interest in 3rd party pedals and goodwood's drums indicate this may be viable.

Look at the music industry for a parallel. If you pay $100 for an electric guitar and amp kit it may be fine for a beginner or even average learner but a pro would never find it suitable. Intonations (accuracy of notes as you move along the neck) would be off and no one would ever gig with it. Those who get serious about their music (and plenty who don't will buy more expensive gear)

Maybe expecting Harmonix to produce flawless electric drums with no crosstalk or sensitivity issues is unrealistic for the price charged?

[mysticneji]

To all those who say they have perfect drumsets: are you at a level where you're good enough to consistently FC songs? Have you FCed anything at all for that matter? I have yet to see a perfect unmodded set. Look at the top drummers. Someguy. He doesn't even use the RB drumset. Gurnkiller, azure. Socks. IBite. Mousepads.

You may think you have a perfect set, but most likely you're just blaming yourself for dropped or double hit notes.

As for announcements, I'm still waiting for the Metal Pack. It was never officially announced but it's the only unreleased pack from the leaked article in OXM.

Well, I wouldn't say that. I have quite a few FC's and my set is un-modded. A bunch of them were even back to back. But to be fair they weren't the most difficult songs (Beetlebum and Countdown to Insanity for example). Although I won't say it's perfect, I do occasionally get a dropped note. Doesn't happen to often though. This will all change though once I get my Destroyer Pedal.

[ASPSAX]

how can you easily bet that the GH drums will be any better? for one thing they are dabbling with new technology with their "pressure sensitive" heads. what proof is there that the GH:WT drums will be anything other than total crap?

RedOctane. They have been responsible for the quality controllers from the PS2's SG to the Les Paul (even with the detachable neck, considerably less people had problems with it than with RB's guitar or drums). Since they have a track record of great hardware it's safe to say that GHWT's drums will be great.

And for you all saying "But they have never made a drum controller before!" Well, look back to the SG, their first controller and arguably their best.

[SaikouMenji]

Guess I'll throw in my two cents as well.

I'm not sure how any of us can come off demanding a company do anything. I understand how supply and demand works for business but what's going in here is a different kind of "demand."

This is HMX's first full band game. Obviously there's going to be some bugs, both with the game and, since this game needs special periphs, those as well. Let's not forget that HMX are the ones who created GH in the first place and even GH, although still being incredibly fun, had its share of problems; most of which were rectified in GH2 (the best in series if you ask me).

Now Activision has taken the ball and is running with it like a drugged up monkey with a pretty new toy. Frankly, I was really disappointed with GH3 and this has nothing to do with being a HMX fanboy or whatever. HMX just has a history of making really quality games, not just in the RB/GH franchises either. They handle their games like a bunch of guys making games for them to enjoy. Activision handles games just like any other corporation. And they will continue to do so. Hell, Penny Arcade even put to illustration what my fears for my beloved guitar game would become after HMX left; in Activision's own words no less! (The very first speech bubble is an actual quote from an Activision press release)
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/12/5/interesting-choice-of-words
Hell, I bet over at the GH forums, the developers who actually worked on the game don't even participate in their own forums short of announcements.

I think a few people hit the nail on the head when they said HMX is keeping its plans for the future a secret to protect itself. A LOT of various types of companies do this, including the automotive and movie industries, to keep the competition from copying or even one-upping their ideas. This is why bigger companies even have people who's sole job it is to watch out for corporate espionage, basically making sure info like that doesn't get leaked. Obviously, Activision sifts through these and other forums to find complaints about RB so as to improve their product. It's only natural. Natural enough to assume that HMX is doing the same. I know if I was the little guy going up against big corporate daddy, I'd keep my golden secrets close. Especially if corporate daddy has a grudge because I took my best idea to another company. :rolleyes:

As for the instruments, if I'm reading these posts correctly, NOBODY short of the modders have been able to make perfect instruments. So why plan your purchases around shoddy peripherals if they all suck to some degree? The way I see it, even real guitars and drums break eventually from wear and tear and the occasional crap manufacturing. Hell, real instruments even get modded to suit the musician's needs. If something needs to be fixed on my guitar I just look at it as having to restring it. ....adds to the experience. As for the drums breaking, I couldn't tell you. I do play on expert but I'm no FC. I know you guys are mad but take a step back and really check if you are hitting them too hard. When it's all said and done, it's still just a toy, after all.

I feel like I have more to say but this has already unintentionally turned into a freakin' novel. If you've seriously made up your mind I'm sure nothing I'm saying can dissuade you. Hell, maybe Activision will turn and surprise me. Just keep in mind that Activision's only other hit is Call of Duty 4 and, oh wait, they tasked that one out to a smaller developer who pulled the series out of the gutter.

[RyBu]

Guess I'll throw in my two cents as well.


Much appreciated...and I totally agree with you about GH2 being the best. Let's go back in time...time......time..........time............

For the few amount of us here who played GH1.... What were the only two flaws?

1. Ho/Po's were impossible.
2. Worst multiplayer Ever.

Was the guitar by any means off? It was flawless. Everything about that game ruled except for those minor details... and with nothing to compare it to, can you even blame them? HMX has been around for what.... 10 years or something? Cmon. With everything they could compare/counter NOWADAYS... why do we have to sit here in the dark.

I understand, don't let all your marbles out of the bag.. or cats... or whatever.... bottom line; keep some secrets. But do you really want to hide EVERYTHING from us? You could drop us SOMETHING.

Also, we all would MUCH RATHER have waited on RB and have BWT online and perfect periphs then have what semi-rushed version we got.... that's the bottom line.

And about 'everything breaks from time to time'.... yea, but out of box? If I bought a guitar and went home and when I got home the rosewood was cracked... the hums were off, the bridge was cracked, and F hole was missing hahaha... I know that's stretching it, but there'd be some problems.

If I took that guitar back to Guitar Center and they said "awwww... my bad man, here, this is a brand new one, just give us the broken head stocked guitar and take this" and when I got home.... it didn't have any inlays and it was missing the fret bars..... I'd be pissed.

I take that one back, bring home a new one and this time it has no tuning mechanisms and missing the pick guard....

Continue, continue, continue.... when is guitar center going to man up and say "hey... my bad. This **** sucks and we know it. We'll make it up to you. The next set of guitars coming out is going to be AWESOME!"

When is HMX going to apologize... and whatever finger pointing game we need to play.. throw EA in there as well. This is seriously HORRIBLE.

I love RB, I'm a huge fan and I rep this game like no other... it's just frustrating that the socks and rubber bands didn't come in the box.... most of your drummers out there know what I mean.

[Rockbizzle]

Gh Drums=gay

[RyBu]

Gh Drums=gay

Yay for RB community.....

[Mettasutta]

I agree about the awful quality of the instruments. I am still in shock that after all the troubles there was with the NA release instruments, they still shipped the same crap to the EU, even packed in the old NA boxes.
I am loving the software part of Rock Band. but my instruments went back from where they came, just the same as any other below par item I buy.
I downright refuse to "mod" something to make it work as it was intended to do. I expect it to work correctly in the first place.

[snwns26]

I'm only going to be playing GH4 for the drums. The multiplayer looks like total garbage visually and everything is crammed onto the screen. The guitar is unfortunately going to be overcharted yet again but hopefully I'm wrong and GH: Aerosmith is their time to not suck at charting so they can be prepared for GH4. The drumset looks promising and looking at the track record of the quality of instruments, they should be solid. If GH3 was any indication, the songlist will be good but won't be that fun and the hardware will deliver while the gameplay doesn't.

And before you completely make an ass out of yourself by pledging your full allegiance to GH4, wait until HMX makes an official statement about a possible RB2 or something because we all know they have something in the works.

[Ventura]

I think a few people hit the nail on the head when they said HMX is keeping its plans for the future a secret to protect itself.

On it's own, that wouldn't be so bad, but coupled with the piss-poor support for Rock Band, as a customer it makes you feel that the company has turned it's back on you.

The only thing they've gone out of their way to do to the game since it's release is patch in the DLC store. That's a money making thing, pure and simple, designed to draw attention to all the wonderful new songs you can play if you're just willing to spend a little more.

Consider that the addition of this store introduced a couple of somewhat noteworthy bugs on the ps3 platform. Scrolling through the DLC has become something of an exercise in frustration, especially if the name of the song you want to play happens to be closer to Z than it does to A.

Yeah, good luck getting that one fixed. Create a new thread asking if it's been confirmed as an issue and whether a fix is coming. I dare you. $10 says a Harmonix employee never posts an answer to that question in that thread. Same thing goes with any of the other issues that really do require some attention.

Don't tell me it's not possible to maintain a healthy relationship with your customers while also keeping your intentions with regards to future products a secret. Bollocks. The least they could've done is throw a half-decent level of support for this game our way. Make me feel like a human being and actually communicate something to us.

You don't have to talk up how crap Activision are. Nobody's gonna fight you on that one. But since I don't happen to much like Harmonix either, what's the difference?

[snwns26]

On it's own, that wouldn't be so bad, but coupled with the piss-poor support for Rock Band, as a customer it makes you feel that the company has turned it's back on you.

The only thing they've gone out of their way to do to the game since it's release is patch in the DLC store. That's a money making thing, pure and simple, designed to draw attention to all the wonderful new songs you can play if you're just willing to spend a little more.

Consider that the addition of this store introduced a couple of somewhat noteworthy bugs on the ps3 platform. Scrolling through the DLC has become something of an exercise in frustration, especially if the name of the song you want to play happens to be closer to Z than it does to A.

Yeah, good luck getting that one fixed. Create a new thread asking if it's been confirmed as an issue and whether a fix is coming. I dare you. $10 says a Harmonix employee never posts an answer to that question in that thread. Same thing goes with any of the other issues that really do require some attention.

Don't tell me it's not possible to maintain a healthy relationship with your customers while also keeping your intentions with regards to future products a secret. Bollocks. The least they could've done is throw a half-decent level of support for this game our way. Make me feel like a human being and actually communicate something to us.

You don't have to talk up how crap Activision are. Nobody's gonna fight you on that one. But since I don't happen to much like Harmonix either, what's the difference?

Harmonix has spoiled us. Look at the GH Forums or something to see how little anything is said by Neversoft and whatnot. Harmonix is over here keeping with weekly announcements and sometimes answering a question or concern we have and often making an announcement if it's something major. Sure they aren't sitting around waiting to answer questions but it happens.
And no support for Rock Band? Up until recently there's been basically unlimited RMA which is a lot more than they could have done. Neversoft and Activision do absolutely nothing, we don't even know the DLC until a week or so before it comes, if that. People are used to Harmonix always being there and telling us what's going on and now that they aren't people are getting all pissy and want to know everything now and can't bare to have a little patience.

And remember Who's Next? Yeah they announced that a little too early and something came up and they don't want it happening again. Either way if they keep quiet or spill the beans people will never be happy and jump to conclusions that HMX has turned their back on the customers or can't deliver on promises.

[killerewok]

I drum on expert with an EL set and I've never had a problem. I also love the strat, and don't ever care to hear another "clicky" strum bar.

The instruments aren't "garbage". That just hyperbole that people spit out to cover up for that fact that they drum like a Neanderthal. Take care of your things, and they won't break.

If HMX spills the beans on the future now, then GH is just going to steal it and get it into GHIV. Don't be dumb. We have like 6 friggin months until GHIV comes out, and about 100-200 more DLC songs. Just enjoy the friggin' game and look forward to whats going to happen in the future.

God, I'm starting to hate this place. Like a bunch of spoiled children.

[Teh_Nfsjunkie91]

I laughed hard at "once? twice? three times? a lady?"

Anyway, I think that the general opinion on instruments is that GH:WT's are going to be higher quality due to Red Octane making them. However, this would be their first foray (to my knowledge) into making drum controllers for video games, so everything could go to hell anyway. Also pad layout could use some work but whatever.

[LetsRock]

The only real problem I have with RB is the calibration in practice mode that is constantly off when slowing down the songs, I tried everything, every method, nothing works perfectly.

My QM set has a very small piece of tape on the red pad it and it plays perfect so I don't consider this a make or break issue, I don't bash on my drums like a gorilla because I want to hear the song playing too. I'm at expert level, digging back in the list to 5 star everything now.

And besides, I'm a consumer, so if GH gets good reviews, I'm buying it and that's not even a question, a good game is a good game and stupid fanboys feuds are pointless. Why would you boycott a potentially good game? Aren't you a gamer? Aren't you out there to enjoy well made games?

If RB2 is good I'll buy it too, and if it comes with improved drums that still work with RB1, I'll just put the old QM back in the box and that's it. I still had a year worth of fun with it.

HMX just needs to fix the calibration difficulties and have a better game launch than last November, so people can actually find it somewhere :rolleyes: and it'll probably be better than GH:WT, but let's see how GH:WT turns out to be first then we'll see.

[v1g1lance1]

haha a joke? Like... I know the camera phone quality sucks.. but you can see the NS right? I've been playing since the game came out.... The path is pretty much 0/0/0/0/0 right?

=)

Using 2 0 0 2, you should get 254,384

As for the crappy drumsets - I am in agreement. My hope, however, lies in the 3rd party people (like Goodwood mods) to provide a good working set. I suspect Activision's equipment will suffer a similar fate.

Peace,
Ian

[v1g1lance1]

The instruments aren't "garbage". That just hyperbole that people spit out to cover up for that fact that they drum like a Neanderthal. Take care of your things, and they won't break.

Total and utter crap. You cannot do a good roll on a QM set, without a mod of sorts. Period. The set, out the box, simply isn't capable of it.

I'm sure there are a LOT of people who pound the crap out of the drums, who knows, but I'm definitely not one of them and I'm on my 5th set or so (mostly because of dropped note issues).

If you're serious about playing well, on drums, then so far the equipment isn't up to snuff out the box.

As I said before though, my hope lies with 3rd parties. I have NO PLANS of going to GH4. It'll have to be absolutely mind blowing for that to happen, and quite honestly, I don't believe Activision/Neversoft of capable of that.

Peace,
Ian

[GoatGodz]

"Yeah, Guitar Hero: World Tour will totally have better instruments! "

..Say that to my two broken Les Pauls with faulty fret buttons and broken down strum. Ohhh I have so much confidence in knowing Guitar Hero: World Tour instruments won't be faulty.

[ecfirefighter]

My question is this.... why hasn't HMX put out an announcement on the new warranty stance then? I mean if the equipment is so good . . .

[Animation-Imp]

I alo had to return my first ps2 gibson,
And I went through five discs of GH 2 because my system locked up on freya.
And they screwed GH 3 up big time.
And rock's the 80's was also utter crap.

Still we keep buying into empty promisses and bad commercials (seen the gh:WT one recently, or the on tour one... please).
Gh will not be perfect, RB2 won't be either.
Does it matter, no, I'll still buy it because it's a fun game to enjoy with a bunch of friends.
It's not a real drum or a real guitar, it's not a competition or a sport either, it's a game and a damn good one for that.

Gh4 will possibly enter my living room, although for the sake of honesty I have to say I don't think the game itself will be ground-braking. The on-line WT could be good, but i have a fiancee to play with, so t doesn't really matter for me. The create a song will probably suck (let's be honest 90&#37; of the created songs will be unplayable because people just love to cram as much notes as possible on a track) and I really fear they'll mess up the note-charts yet again.
But I'm no Nostradamus so I'll just enjoy RB for now and I'll play some GH3 now and then (still haven't unlocked all the multiplayer songs because I got bored). Some of you are saying things like "throwing money in this game" and "investing in dying platforms", you make it sound like you don't get anything for your money, you get the fun of playing now, you get the fun of having a party and letting your guests pick a song they actually know...
Really some of you have to come to grips with reality.
This is a game,
You won't be playing this till the end of your life,
you'll play this till the net big thing.
Or do you still play GH1 on your ps2 on a regular basis?
I thought not...

[Ultrace]

My counterpoints to these below in bold...


Let's see...

I guess for me to automatically assume they will have flawless instruments would be wrong... but, I do know that it's the most powerful company in the industry, and so far every single suggestion/complaint/idea we've had here on these forums... they've answered.

Band World Tour online - Wait and see how this is actually implemented; no details yet
Battle of the Bands - Wait and see how this is actually implemented; no details yet and remember the "fun" of power-up based battles in GH3...
Custom Songs - Already been denounced as a limited affair. You can't rechart existing songs, only record your own using pre-made sound setups and no vocals
The Eagles (questionable still??) - This is one band. Good grief.

[Ultrace]

"Yeah, Guitar Hero: World Tour will totally have better instruments! "

..Say that to my two broken Les Pauls with faulty fret buttons and broken down strum. Ohhh I have so much confidence in knowing Guitar Hero: World Tour instruments won't be faulty.
Even now, having played with my LP since November, I'm not having problems with my strum or buttons... But the neck connectivity has given me a number of issues. I actually had to daisy chain zip-ties at the points where you're supposed to attach a strap, to hold the neck tight together. Once I did that, it works like a charm, but it's clear they are not beyond the capability of serious design flaws.

[jeccaneko]

1) I've never had to RMA my stuff and I play constantly.
2) Who says GH:WT stuff will be better? My Les Paul died on me when my 2 Strats, my drums, and my mic have never had a single problem.

I personally think deciding to switch games right now is ridiculous. We don't even know even a handful of the songs that will be in GH:WT. For a music game, the songlist can make or break it. Other stuff, like peripheral quality, charting, game features, etc contribute, but it's really the songs that matter. When the song list is revealed and you like it enough to switch, fine. That's very fair and if you like that list better I won't fault you for it. But using a reason like instrument quality? They probably haven't even made the final instruments. I bet Neversoft is still using prototypes. They're probably almost final but still.

[moneyp]

What this thread boils down to is dissatisfaction with the current Harmonix drumset. Really? No kidding. A plastic and aluminum with vibration-sensitive electronics is not going to stand up to the pounding required to play this game at the highest levels. Don't blame Harmonix for the attempt unless you're going to blame them for even trying at all.

To say that you've "decided" to go with equipment that hasn't even been released yet is dubious and premature. The game is more than just one peripheral. Guitar Hero IV is more than just a drum kit, and your enjoyment of it will be factored by how well the rest of the game works. If you just want good equipment and that's it, then get yourself a real drum set and you can play on it however you want, since the rest of the game apparently has no bearing on your decision-making.

I wouldn't care if GTA IV came with a Tama Swingstar 5-piece. Unless I see a steady stream of quality DLC, something that every GH game has promised and failed to deliver on, I'll stick with RB, cheap kit and all.

[RonGermany]

No offense, but you're just hitting your drums too hard. Yea, if I take my set out and start knocking the sticks on them like they're a real set I'm going to mess them up and get holes in them, miss notes, etc. Simple taps is all it takes, they aren't real drums....

[PlanetHill]

Gh Drums=gay

I wouldn't say that, but only three drum pads is a fatal flaw IMO. If they had four drums, bass AND the two cymbals,it would have been a home run.

FWIW I have had zero problems with my Rock Band drums.

[Spandrel]

I've been pretty frustrated with the quality of the hardware, as well. I've gone through two EL kits that occasionally miss notes, and my guitar came with a small rattle inside. The guitar doesn't bug me because I find the mushy strum bar unplayable. I still use my GH guitars exclusively with RB.

I have no allegiance to any company or corporation. I pretty much gravitate towards the better product. If GH:WT can perfect some of the issues with the hardware, I may swap gear.

[metalfenix]

The OP has a point regarding instruments...even though I don't care about the drums (my drums are for anyone visiting my home wishing to try them, I suck at drums) I'm mainly a vocalist, and I had to switch from the RB stock mic to the logitech advantage mic (and logitech didn't make both?? I'm still puzzled and I would like to know how my stock mic was detecting my pitch so bad and the vantage detected it so well) ... and my strat, well ....behaves very poorly compared to the Les Paul (and I cannot use the LP, I have the PS3 version).

But I'm far more interested in the software. I want to look closely to the character customization, online reliability, graphics in general (what I've seen so far hasn't impressed me, they were just like Rock Band), user interface (in the demo I saw with 4 players the rock meter was obstructing a small part of the vocalist sector of the screen. That, for me, is a big graphical NO NO, I expect some respect for the vocalists out there :mad:) and if they finally add things that we were asking for so long (BWT online, bass solo career, customizable track lists, etc....). DLC is another thing, we'll get DLC each week? or will be like GH3, one or two DLC each month?. That's why I don't say anything yet about GHWT, it's too early to judge it, and we haven't played it yet, so why you compare an existing game (RB) with a still non-existant game (GHWT)?

Even though I may buy it if the rumors of GH: Metallica were true, but I won't abandon Rock Band, hell, how could I? this game helped me a bit to distract from my personal problems, and have songs from my fav bands (Disturbed and Metallica).

And if we talk about rumors, Rock Band 2 or the RB expansion pack or whatever they call it is around the corner too .... ;)

[DeathShrike]

Wrong/Wrong/Wrong...

They don't replace them anymore.. you only have 60 days. I bought mine in November.... do I still get a replacement?

Wait. I JUST got my second replacement (my bad this time, shhhh), for free. So... Yes. You do.

[kanrei]

Based on this logic, I should be playing neither games since I am about to get my third PS3 after sending it back twice. If they can't make a game that works, I should just quit, right? Only, like Harmonix, Sony has replaced it with no charge, so I see no problem.

If they had bad equipment AND bad service, by all means leave.

[Colt_Steele]

Sounds like you're unhappy with your equipment because it's hurting your high scores, not because it's preventing you from having fun.

[v1g1lance1]

Sounds like you're unhappy with your equipment because it's hurting your high scores, not because it's preventing you from having fun.

To me that's one and the same. My scores are how I judge my 'performance' - I'd like them to accurately reflect that (based on MY performance and not the equipment's performance)

[Colt_Steele]

If scores are the only thing that make you feel like you're having fun playing the game, I can't relate. I guess it just makes me think that kind of mentality deprives people.

[vedis]

I love when people make this comment. Let me tell you you are definitely in the minority! 17 Drumsets and I am still dropping notes! The set I am about to review will be set number 18 and hopefully the last one.

Rybu I hear ya. As I know I should be in the top 100 if not higher, but faulty equipment has made me not care about career, and I stay on DLC where it does not matter to some. Some of these top drummers not all are using seriously modified kits, some are actualy kits that has been modified. If they had to go to a competition they would be hurting as it would not be allowed.

However like the other poster said, we do not know if GH 4's instrauments are going to be any better until the game comes out. Sure Activision is talking a good game. This is the same thing boxers do yo get into their opponents head. Usually the one with the biggest mouth is the one that falls first. Except in Muhammad Ali's case.


So before everyone starts throwing their Rock Band away, let's give Harmonix a chance to answer. The problem for some of you will be that they are not going to answer until they are good and ready and feel it is the right time.

Besides me get rid of Rock Band? You are crazy! I am in too deep with DLC 161 total songs now.

omg someone who makes sense!


your points are so valid its not even funny, its glad to see someone actualy realizes you cant talk about a product til its out, and i got a feeling their drums will have the same stupid problems rock bands does.


and not like activition hasnt ever had faulty instruemnts, *cough wireless controls that miss notes*

[v1g1lance1]

If scores are the only thing that make you feel like you're having fun playing the game, I can't relate. I guess it just makes me think that kind of mentality deprives people.

And that's ok. I fully understand that people play games for different reasons - and I'm not trying to force them into the mold that I consider 'fun'.

What I don't really understand is why, for whatever reason you play the game, you'd be ok with a controller that doesn't work 100&#37; as intended.

I'm not complaining about rebound, noise, or any other thing I'd LIKE the controller to do better. What I am complaining about is rolls, no dropped notes, etc that I EXPECT the controller to do.

Peace,
Ian

[Colt_Steele]

I'm not complaining about rebound, noise, or any other thing I'd LIKE the controller to do better. What I am complaining about is rolls, no dropped notes, etc that I EXPECT the controller to do.
I understand the bit about dropped notes. I am not a full-time drummer, but I have yet to play on a set that consistently registers every hit I make.

I just look at it as the first thing of it's kind for home consoles, bound to have hitches and that while it detracts from the experience in that way, I also have more fun drumming than anything else in the game despite this flaw.

People getting thunderclouds over their heads about not being on their highest level possible on the leaderboards just escapes me, partially because I suppose I'm older than the average player and partially because that kind of mentality is what killed the fighting game scene that I spent most of my teens and 20s as a part of. I don't want to see that eventually happen with the music game genre as well, which I why for the first time since I was a kid listening to other kids argue about Genesis and SNES I actually am upset with what Activision is doing from a business point of view.

Instead of trying to make the better game and let players choose how they play it they've turned it into a pissing contest by making incompatible instruments and practically forcing players to choose their game over the competition's.

[Absoludacris06]

Ok, I rarely post, but here it goes:

Yes, the RB drumset is not very good. But do you know how much a cheap and crappy real electronic drumset costs new? Around $200 to $300 dollars. I've been playing drums for 12 years and was pretty skeptical about the RB drumset when I heard it was selling with a guitar, game, and microphone for $180. To my surprise, they did pretty well and my first kit (completely ummodded, not even a broken pedal) lasted about 3 months and got me to 13th in the career leaderboard before the red pad broke from just playing the damn game way too much. I think a lot of the drum failures are the result of manufacturing, but I also feel that a decent number of sets crap out because people play too damn hard. So what happens when you take a lot of people that don't know how to play drums and tell them to try the drums on a uber-cheap electronic drumset? Lots of complaints. But do you really think that these are going to be the absolutely final version of RB drums? I'm pretty sure HMX is hard at work right now on making a better drumset and a better Rock Band 2. All people have to work off of for the new GH game so far is a silly little Game Informer preview article. No one aside from the developers know how good it is because IT ISN'T OUT YET. We don't even know how much it will cost, which could be a lot more than Rock Band depending on how much they're promising with the new drumset. Now, if GH proves to be a better game, I'll buy it, but I can guarantee the same stupid argument will come up when a preview article of Rock Band 2 comes out. This genre of games has proven successful enough that it will be around a long time, and what has come from it is essentially an arms race between Rock Band and Guitar Hero. Lots of bigger and better versions will be released in the coming years, so get used to it. As a consumer, I recommend that you just shut up and wait until GH comes out, and if you feel it's worth your money, then buy it. Repeat this process for however many new versions of GH and RB come out in the future. I'm getting annoyed at people that are just fed up with Rock Band but for some reason keep posting things and coming back to the forum day after day.

[RyBu]

First off, to the mods, thanks for moving this to a 'dead' forum, or at least one that isn't supposed to be about Rock Band.... good call... dodging maybe? Yes.

Second off, to all the 'you're hitting it too hard' posts... you guys aren't good enough players to understand dropped notes, double hits, and rolls. You guys make posts that say 'how do I pass RTTH and Foreplay??? I mean, Long Time is easy, but Foreplay is so hard.' You guys say things like "OMG, I finally beat The Reaper!! Awesome.'

I'm not criticizing you, I'm just saying you're on a different level. I played football all four of my high school years. I know the game, I got a lot of PT, and I love the NFL. I'm not going to say anything like.... uhhh Favre (rest his soul) should have stayed more in the pocket that's all.... he had the protection. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

Third off(?? haha), what's your argument? Hey man, real electric drums cost so much more, what did you expect?

Hmmmm..... product satisfaction? If I KNEW that I wasn't going to be purchasing something that worked, I wouldn't have bought it. I don't get what you fanboys are defending. Who defends failure to the degree that it's at? Why can't you just say... yea... the instruments suck, service sucks, and we're all (drummers) throwing money into a pit for nothing because we have no future with this game... it's broken.

Fourth Off(?? again, lawls) About the 'it sounds like you're crying because of your score'.... once again, you've probably never been the best, or close to being the best at anything. I know that sounds elitist and dic*... but I'm just being honest. I'm the kind of gamer who will play like... 2 - 3 games at a time MAX. I like to excel in what I do in life (sports, music, video games, girls....).

I know THOUSANDS of people that check the leaderboards... they do it to see where they rank, get exicted about placing high, and use it as a performance check. I wouldn't even play this game if there weren't leaderboards. Competition is everywhere... if you don't care for it, that's fine. I'm not bashing you for not caring, don't try to bash me for caring.

Once again mods, that's for the pointless move....

[Colt_Steele]

I know that sounds elitist and dic*... but I'm just being honest.
Yeah, it does. But thanks for being honest.


Competition is everywhere... if you don't care for it, that's fine. I'm not bashing you for not caring, don't try to bash me for caring.

No one tried to "bash" you(at least not me), but since you got so defensive about it, accept my apology. Enjoy GHWT or whatever game you choose to play from now on.

[cuddie]

Well, I wouldn't say that. I have quite a few FC's and my set is un-modded. A bunch of them were even back to back. But to be fair they weren't the most difficult songs (Beetlebum and Countdown to Insanity for example). Although I won't say it's perfect, I do occasionally get a dropped note. Doesn't happen to often though. This will all change though once I get my Destroyer Pedal.
An occasional dropped note would ruin the "perfect" status you would put on your set, just like it would ruin my "perfect" run of a song. I'm not sure you know of the frustration that stems from a -1 run of Siva because one of the very last notes decides it would be cute to drop. Or a 100&#37; that has no chance of grabbing a top spot on the leaderboards because your pad thinks it's funny to double hit right after you activate overdrive, destroying your 8x multiplier and lowering your score considerably. RyBu's score duel with azure for example.

I FCed I Think I'm Paranoid for my 100% achievement on the default set. Not a difficult song at all and yet it took me a few tries even though I 100'd it each time. I used to strive for perfection on this game. But at this point I've realized that I'll never, ever have a perfect set no matter how many socks or coins I put on them. The only way would be to hook up an electronic set, and I don't have the time or effort to do that.

Oh and for comparison, would you be ok if your Xbox/Playstation controller would randomly drop your button presses or register two presses when you only pressed it once? I don't get why we need to treat this issue differently because OMG DIS R DRUMS CONTROLAR!!!@Q!2@!

[Zeleii]

I don't care... Rock Band was made for pure arcade enjoyment, nothing else.And to go to equipment I've RARELY had a pad miss, most of my misses are on me... and I KNOW I suck o_0... double hits I get even less because I have never gotten one, I'll be honest I've gotten more double strums on guitar -_-

[Cpt. Overkill]

If people didnt slam on their kits all the time it wouldnt be a problem. I have friends who had pedals breaking every week. Mine broke after 4 months of non stop playing. And that was only because of the way my little brother was playing it.

[Zeleii]

I know I have the same bass pedal I've had since I bought the game. And I WAIL on it in BRE's, it's all about positioning your foot properly. Also, pads messing up, simple solution cheap mouse pads at Walmart -_-

If you're careful, and spend a little money you can get a lot more life out of your equipment. And will greatly improve your performance... I -1 Cherub Rock on stock equipment... my miss? A drumroll forgot to bass on the first one :(

[v1g1lance1]

If people didnt slam on their kits all the time it wouldnt be a problem. I have friends who had pedals breaking every week. Mine broke after 4 months of non stop playing. And that was only because of the way my little brother was playing it.

*sigh*, not everyone with kit problems slams their kits.

[Cpt. Overkill]

Matt and I both wail on it too. Especially in BRE's when we just stomp the hell out of the double bass.

And I meant that slamming on the kit comments to the people who have broken they're kit after a month of playing.

[Zeleii]

And double hit and pad miss issues can be resolved with some minor modifications to a kit... :)

[BhindBluEyes430]

All right.

Many people here say "why bail on RockBand? So much DLC, this and that is so awesome, GH sucks...."... Most I agree with. But there is one thing I know FOR SURE that GH:WT will do that RockBand didn't, hasn't, never will, never cared to, or give a small shi* about... make good instruments.

How many of us drummers have RMA'd our kits?
How many have done it more than once? twice? three times? a lady?
How many complaints have we made, begging for new kits?
How many people have said "I'm done with RB because the instruments suck/I'll never get into RB because I heard the instruments suck"?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/gotomraykain/bullcrud.jpg

I know sskitzzo is a better drummer than I am (not by much :) ).... and it has nothing to do with the fact that he beat me when I "should have won".... it just goes to show that with garbage instruments that double hit, miss random notes, and just plain suck... you can only get a certain degree of enjoyment out of the game.

I LUCKILY FCed Can't Let Go yesterday with perfect squeezes and went crazy on the BRE, but my green failed at the last hit so I lost the chance to grab first place on the leaderboards... just things like that that I hate so much...

RB needs to up their quality, or they will lose hundreds/thousands to GH:WT.... just my opinion... I know 80 out of the top 100 drummers feel the same way as well.

the problem with you whole argument is only about 10 people have been able to play on Guitar heros drumset so you have NO idea what they are going to be like.

[RyBu]

the problem with you whole argument is only about 10 people have been able to play on Guitar heros drumset so you have NO idea what they are going to be like.

hmmm, you must have read the first post and skipped through the end to respond... you'll find answers within the 8 pages here.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

And Red Octane will have better customer service? Everything will magically be better on the other side because this side isn't up to your standards?

Questions for you:
How's Red Octane's/Neversoft's/Activision's customer service like?
How's Red Octane's/Neversoft's/Activision's Public Relations like?
How do they differ from Harmonix'/EA's?


I think you'll find the answers pretty clarifying, if you ask me. Just because there is another side to the fence doesn't always make it better...

[oopogfe]

HARMONIX is better at making SOFTWARE. REDOCTANE is better at making HARDWARE. thats it

[QueensoftheStoneAge]

Never had a single problem with my drums.
Got the game in Dec.
Expert drummer, I play all the time.
So...meh.


Quoted for (10 characters) truth.

[SlivedCupWinner]

Hmmmm..... product satisfaction? If I KNEW that I wasn't going to be purchasing something that worked, I wouldn't have bought it. I don't get what you fanboys are defending. Who defends failure to the degree that it's at? Why can't you just say... yea... the instruments suck, service sucks, and we're all (drummers) throwing money into a pit for nothing because we have no future with this game... it's broken.


A similar thing can be said about Windows, but there's millions of people still using that crap. :p

Sorry, back on topic.

I have to go with the software argument. I love how RB plays. I will do what I need to to get periphs that are more dependable/playable. It may be broken, but it's fixable. It's just too bad that the value of fixing it doesn't outweigh the cost.

Who knows, maybe red octane will nail down a drum set that can take the beating that some give or even just be more reliable. I'll be glad if they do because I plan on getting that game as well.

And maybe, just maybe, they'll make it work for RB so we don't have to give up on this game while getting another...