Northern VA / MD / DC

[DikRodnum]

Whitlow's On Wilson presents...

Rock Band every Tuesday night!

Whitlow's On Wilson is located in Clarendon Va.

@2854 Wilson Blvd.
Clarendon VA, 22201
(703) 276-WOWE{9693}
Mgr. Jonathan

Email: whitlows@whitlows.com

Every Tuesday Night from 9PM till around 11PM On the main stage (and it IS an ACTUAL Stage!) Rock Band for the Xbox 360 is played with all of the official controllers and the On-Disc songs(I am going to see if I can get the Wi-Fi working so they can use my DLC list).
NO ENTRY FEE and it IS 21 and Up!
Come with your Band and songlist prepared to Rock out for a few hours,( you might want to even come earlier as they have pretty good food too!)
For more info and Directions... (ask for the Mgr. Jonathan)

Whitlow's On Wilson
2854 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22201
703.276.WOWE (9693)
whitlows@whitlows.com

***Edit! as of 11-26-08***

This is the "official" List for "Alt-Night Jam-Band"
On every other TUES night (nights NOT taken up by Whitlow's) we will meet online to play in pick-up bands. This is more so for practice and just general 'meet'.
(Xbox LIVE Gamertags):

<Gamertag>/(Forum-name)

Dikrodnum (Dikrodnum)
Avatar Ko (Avatar-Ko)
huffnhouse (Liger-Trainer)

[Kalerado28]

Cafe' Asia is right down the street, so I'll definitely try to make this one!
I just sent out the mass e-mail to the rest of my rocker friends telling them about this event! :D

A 20min drive from DC to Clarendon is more appealing to me than a 50min drive to Potomac Mills, for me that is.
:rolleyes:

[DikRodnum]

Sorry i didnt make out this week. Ill be there with some friends next Tues tho'...but anoyone who went please post a review if you could!

[Kalerado28]

I was there, D.R.

This is how they had things set-up:

Bands (consisting of 3 or 4 members) signed up on a Battle of the Bands List. Each band played the same 2 songs, with every member selecting the Easy difficulty for "Say It Ain't So" by Weezer and selecting Medium difficulty for "Next To You" by The Police. There were 6 bands who signed up this particular time. Regardless of how many bands would have signed up, there would only be 3 slots available for those 3 bands, who had the highest total-band scores to move on to the next round of competition. The next round of competition consisted of each band attempting their best performance of the same song, with every member selecting Hard difficulty. The song each band played this particular round was selected by the singer of the lowest scoring band and it ended up being "Orange Rush" by R.E.M. (which I happen to despise, lol)

The band I played with, GUMBO, initially only had 3 members, so the host on the mic asked if anybody else would like to join their band to help them out. I stepped up to the challenge (playing bass), where I ended up saving the drummer 3 times and saving the singer 2 times for the first round. We managed to make it to 3rd place and move up to the Hard round where I saved the singer 2 times again and saved the drummer 3 times again. But we ended up crapping out anyway, because I couldn't manage to muster up enough Overdrive energy in time to keep us all afloat again.

The winning band received gift cards for something and got to perform an encore song of their choice, which the female singer selected and requested for everyone to sing-along to: "Wanted Dead or Alive"

Review: B+

All in all, it was a fun night.
It was only slightly disorganized, but not bad for something new, since they're still developing rules, etc.
Standing on their stage felt kind of awkward because, since I'm 6'0", I had to look down at their plasma for gameplay, instead of looking up at a projection screen like at Hard Times Cafe.
The wireless XBox360 Strat controller they supplied sucked because the stock tilt switch was inoperable.
(BACK button Overdrive engaging sucks major azz!) :mad:
I will be bringing my own modded wireless guitar for gameplay next time.

[Colt_Steele]

A 20min drive from DC to Clarendon is more appealing to me than a 50min drive to Potomac Mills, for me that is.
I'm about 20 minutes north of D.C., does that make it around 45 minutes for me would you say? I'd probably be more easily available on Friday nights but if the trip would be shorter on Tuesday I'll try to make arrangements.

[destrukshawn]

Is this still a regular event? I'm in baltimore and after last week's battle, I'm dying to find another.

[Kalerado28]

I'm about 20 minutes north of D.C., does that make it around 45 minutes for me would you say? I'd probably be more easily available on Friday nights but if the trip would be shorter on Tuesday I'll try to make arrangements.

It depends on which city in Maryland you're coming from, Colt. I live smack-dab in the middle of DC, so that's why it takes me that long. It could very well be the case that the trip from where you are is only an extra 10 minutes via the beltway or something. But you'll have to get on http://maps.yahoo.com/dd to check that out for sure.

[DikRodnum]

WoW?!?..Im kinda glad I didn't go...I was hoping it was a free-for-all. Having to play on easy then to med?!?!...that makes no sense.
I'll come next tues. but im not sure if im going to play...:confused:


nd side question for you, was there a screen behind you on the stage and tv's on the floor or just tv's on the floor?

[Kalerado28]

WoW?!?..Im kinda glad I didn't go...I was hoping it was a free-for-all. Having to play on easy then to med?!?!...that makes no sense.
I'll come next tues. but im not sure if im going to play...:confused:


nd side question for you, was there a screen behind you on the stage and tv's on the floor or just tv's on the floor?

Yeah, the band vs. band tournament isn't really set-up for hardcore competition or experienced gameplayers. It's geared more toward familiarizing the layman with RockBand, period.
Still fun though. :)

There is a stage. The TV faces the audience at a diagonal angle. The players get on-stage to perform too and face the TV (players' backs towards the audience at an angle).
It's kind of awkward, so we should think of some set-up suggestions to offer the host, once we're there (if they haven't made changes to it already).

[Colt_Steele]

Players should definitely not have their backs to the audience, even at an angle. That's just poor stage presence :D

I would have a little more fun if I was playing to a crowd, especially if I was on easy-med difficulty. I can sometimes play those without having to look at the screen.

[uninvitedjd]

*cringes at the thought of playing on easy or medium* Noooooooooooooo! LoL
I did not finish my vocal expert tour to play on easy. My friends would kill me if I even suggested we play on Hard. They're vicious. They need more places in the DC metro area and on the weekends. I work on fricken Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

[Kalerado28]

Players should definitely not have their backs to the audience, even at an angle. That's just poor stage presence :D

I would have a little more fun if I was playing to a crowd, especially if I was on easy-med difficulty. I can sometimes play those without having to look at the screen.

DUDE, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORRRRRRRRRRRE!!!! :mad:


They need more places in the DC metro area and on the weekends. I work on fricken Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Seek and ye shall find, young grasshoppers... :D

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/artsfun/afterhours/6853.html

If anyone would like to meet up at any of these venues, send me a message to my inbox on this forum OR if you have XBoxLIVE, send a message to my gamertag: Kalerado28

[kitlerc]

I'll try to hit something in that area when I go back to college.

Right now I'm too far out to make the trip worth it. (hour or two, depending on specific location and traffic, and if I dont get lost)

[Colt_Steele]

I heard this place really jumps, so get there early folks!! ;)
This coming Tuesday, I will be in attendance for my first time, so I will try to post a review when time permits.
If anybody else is going, I'll see you guys there! :D

Is it metro-able? This sounds perfect since I could hop on the train after work, sadly I already have plans tomorrow night but if I can get there by train I will most definitely be there next week.

[Kalerado28]

ROCKBAND NIGHT @ THE REEF

It definitely didn't live up to the hype/buzz I've been hearing about it. :(
The main gameplay display (directly in front of the players) was a 32" LCD (fuzzy display); simultaneously synced, they had another 42" plasma display on the far end of the bar, positioned near the ceiling.
The inexperienced gameplay coordinator could not correctly calibrate the system for the LCD display, which presented a SERIOUS lag and audio/video sync issue!! (THE WORST I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED!).
So I ended up utilizing the plasma TV positioned on the other side of the bar as my means of monitoring gameplay.
Only 3 bands signed up for non-competitive, free-form gameplay: my band, plus 2 others.
The crowd was kinda dead, as well---people refusing to play, etc.
They use the PS3 version.
I hate to knock any ROCKBAND event, but this one kind of fell flat to me because of the unfulfilled hype.
I ended up going to Whitlow's on Wilson (Clarendon, VA) right afterwards, hooked up with some cool people, and had more fun there. :cool:

I'll edit the post and provide further details in the near future, as needed.

[icanhas360]

i went to the one at whitlows on tuesday and had a real good time.

After an hour or so of free play, they had 8 or 9 bands play two songs each - ride the lightning on easy, then wonderwall on medium - to determine the top 3 bands. Only big negative imo was that RTL is like 8 minutes long and with 8 bands, round 1 took a lot longer than expected. If it was on medium or hard, more would have failed out quicker, but being on easy, mostly everyone passed, with a few failing out on wonderwall. The songs were randomly picked by the hosts.

since round 1 took so long, they made the finals 1 song only - interstate love song on hard.

our band, barely legal, won. the prize which we thought was to be 4 $25 giftcards, was only 1. so it didnt pay for the beer we drank while playing, but whitlows is obviously there to make money, so no hard feelings. But everyone was into it and it was pretty competitive with the other band in the finals. Hopefully next time, they'll either cut out the easy level, or pick shorter songs. but everything else was well organized, the two hosts were cool and tv setup (while not ideal - with back facing the audience) worked fine.

[Kalerado28]

i went to the one at whitlows on tuesday and had a real good time...

Cool. I couldn't stay to watch you in the finals (due to sleepy friends' requests to leave), but you guys were really focused up there.

As I stated in my review (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=734261&postcount=4), the guys working at Whitlow's don't really play the game much, so they are tweaking/improving/revising gameplay guidelines each week as they go along. I spoke with Bill, the MC/host/gameplay coordinator that night; he told me that picking the 6-minute Metallica song was a huge oversight on their part. At that time, I then gave him a copy of a list of songplay times for all stock and DLC songs. Bill said he would use the list as a reference tool and that all competition songs, from now on, would not go over 4 minutes long.

The format they use (at least for now) isn't really geared for the moderate-to-hardcore RockBand competitor. I think it's really devised to introduce the game to newbies, and for them be able to "play in a band with their buddies" so they won't feel left out... and for Expert rockers to "savior" their newbie counterparts for the sake of band gameplay.
With this notion in mind, I'm willing to be more critically lenient on the gameplay coordination, since it is improving week-after-week.

I figure that if the competition songs are shorter, then that will free up more time for either 1) one more competition song [total of 3] for each band, or 2) more bands being able to enter the entry level round.

I will also talk to Bill about revising the scoring procedures. As of now, they use total band score for competition ranking. I disagree with this method. I think that, since everyone is on the same difficulty level for each song, the 4 percentage scores of each bandmember in the band should be averaged for each song and used as each band's competition stat. I say this mainly because the percentage scores directly measure how correctly you perform each song (struck notes vs. missed notes), whereas with the "total band score" method, a band could have a lower average percentage score than another band, but still end up with a higher total score due to "whammy-barring", big-rock endings, and Overdrive energy engaging. According to the ranking method currently in use, the band with the lower average percentage COULD actually win! (which I don't really think is fair, or indicative each bandmember's chart-playing skills).

[icanhas360]

I disagree with the scoring being based on percentages.

a - Part of the game is to be able to coordinate your overdrive/star power with band members to be able to maximize your score on fast parts,
b - would give easier instruments (bass) much more weight than deserved.

example: Band 1 gets 100 on bass, 95 drums, 95 lead, 95 vocals
Band 2 gets 96 across the board
Band 1 wins

I think you HAVE to keep scoring based on total score; thats how the game was designed. plus, you'd probably get a lot of ties anyways.

[icanhas360]

didnt mean to offend expert GGaHT bass players, that is not easy.

[Kalerado28]

I disagree with the scoring being based on percentages.

a - Part of the game is to be able to coordinate your overdrive/star power with band members to be able to maximize your score on fast parts,
b - would give easier instruments (bass) much more weight than deserved.

example: Band 1 gets 100 on bass, 95 drums, 95 lead, 95 vocals
Band 2 gets 96 across the board
Band 1 wins

I think you HAVE to keep scoring based on total score; thats how the game was designed. plus, you'd probably get a lot of ties anyways.

I agree that engaging overdrive and coordinating overdrive simultaneously among bandmembers is "part of the game", and should be taken into account. However, when you're in a non-hardcore gaming environment, such as Whitlow's, where they are more newbies who've never touched the game or don't have the privilege of being fully explained, on the spot, how points are won/accumulated, the lack of points for the extra bells and whistles (whammy-ing, overdrive engaging, big-rock-ending solo areas) takes away from the fun, and ultimately discourages the average newbie. I've witnessed this at Whitlow's and other places.

According the example you provided, if a player aced their part 100% while playing with their band, that feat is very commendable in such a distraction-filled setting... and I believe the focus channeled by that player on behalf of his/her band should be rewarded as such with "the win". In the same hypothetical case, if that same bass player scored a 99% score (instead of 100%), that would bring both bands' scores to a tie at 96% (bandmember average percentage score). In such a case, that is when the total point score can be the tie-breaker and determining factor in who takes the win. I fully agree with this "percentage first, point-score second" method of tournament ranking. This is how the Gui*** Hero Tournament (hardcore competition) is conducted at Hard Times Cafe on every Friday night.
(Big-up to Will Holder, the DJ/coordinator) :cool:

Anybody else want to ring in with their opinion?

[BYC]

Score > &#37;. This shouldn't even be an argument.

[DikRodnum]

Well, for my two cents I have to agree that SCORE matters more...just for the fact that it's the final in-game decsion maker. Percental scores are just more so for personal improvement as the game doesnt seem to stop making win/loss judgement after the %score.
I have been crushed on score but won by 1% in the GH tourny and I have to say I always feel bad for the other person.

But the thing we really need to focus on is the fact that the place closes at 2am on weekdays and they only rock from 9 to 11?!?!?

Thats one reason why the expert players can't get down...not enough time.
I would like to go to this place but I refuse to play on anything less than expert (or hard on some drum songs).

I understand the need to build a good 'local' foundation but you draw more people into the place by showing off what you can really do in the game.
I'm fine with the comp' being ez/med but atleast have some Ex free-play...

[Kalerado28]

Well, for my two cents I have to agree that SCORE matters more...just for the fact that it's the final in-game decsion maker. Percental scores are just more so for personal improvement as the game doesnt seem to stop making win/loss judgement after the &#37;score.
I have been crushed on score but won by 1% in the GH tourny and I have to say I always feel bad for the other person.

I would think that you would feel good about being able to strike more notes vs. missing notes to achieve the higher percentage score. You winning the match, in that case, shows that no matter how many whammy-ing tricks, overdrive releases, or big-rock ending flail-aways the other competitor did, YOU were the one who play the chart better, note-for-note.


But the thing we really need to focus on is the fact that the place closes at 2am on weekdays and they only rock from 9 to 11?!?!?

I've been to the event 3 times so far. They haven't closed up shop for gameplay any earlier than 12:30am each time.


Thats one reason why the expert players can't get down...not enough time.
I would like to go to this place but I refuse to play on anything less than expert (or hard on some drum songs).

I understand the need to build a good 'local' foundation but you draw more people into the place by showing off what you can really do in the game.
I'm fine with the comp' being ez/med but atleast have some Ex free-play...

*In my best Obama voice*
You can't sit behind your computer and complain to get results. It's common knowledge that most people who play RockBand do not frequent this website at all to hear what we have to say. And while it IS possible to email the management of Whitlow's, to more positively affect change you have to let your voice be heard and take action by making your presence felt in person. If more people come to the tournament and express their desires for Expert difficulty competition to the host/coordinator and managers, I'm sure they will suffice us with either an Expert level of the tournament somehow or giving us our own separate night for an Expert competition. It just may be the case that they aren't doing Expert because they haven't really heard anybody ask for it yet...

(Paid for by the campaign of Obama/Kalerado '08) :p

[DikRodnum]

well at the site it says 9 to 11...but thats good that it is longer.
My beef with the fact that they seem to play mostly easy/med is not for the comp, (cause i really do not like competing) but more so for just other expert players.
I like playing in a group where we have a good chance of gold-starring a song.

But i will try to make it there tonight if I can.

[Kalerado28]

Hey D.R.,

Well I was partied with the guys at Whitlow's again this past Tuesday.
My free-form band crapped out at 91&#37; on "GG&HT", but it's all good.

Evidently, Bill (the Whitlow's RB competition host) had gotten wind of my rantings from this forum. I talked in-depth with him and the other coordinator, Flip, last night. I gave them prospective ideas for future competitions and insight regarding the needs of the moderate-to-hardcore RockBand gamer. They listened attentively and felt out my level of experience with gameplay, tournament rules, etc. They also realized how firm my finger is on the pulse of the RockBand.com and XBox.com forum communities. By the time we all were finished talking, they had offered me a job position as RockBand Night Tournament Coordinator. They said they would give me free reign to re-vamp existing competition gameplay, as to better accommodate the seemingly left-out Expert player.

DC/MD/VA-area forum regulars,
This is your chance to provide direct input for inclusion into the RockBand Tournament rules & gameplay at Whitlow's.

Please let me hear your suggestions.
I could draw up everything myself, but I feel the voice of the online community matters.
The time allotted (as of right now) is every Tuesday (9:30pm-12:30am). However, I would love to move it to Friday somehow...
Speak now or forever hold your peas. :p

[DikRodnum]

WoW! Thats awesome man, well then I know now that this night could be good!

My input would be to have free-form first. All levels. Maybe allow one-on-one battles,(I would like to battle someone in some drumming...);'maybe'. I like the "Battle of the Bands" comp', and to make it even more worth while have 'prize'(a cert) for "Most Rockin' Performer" ,"Best Band Name", "EPIC-FAIL" award...something to let people who 'can't' play have something else to try and garner for.

It would be cool to have a "house-band", so that you could show-off how the game is played. I think a lot of people would like to try but have no idea what all that mess is on the screen. While the HouseBand is playing maybe have the DJ explain (in brief) how to play. We will assume that 'everyone' has seen GH/RB played but I would gather far more people have NOT actually played the game than people think.

there are some more thoughts i have on this but Ill tell you on fri when i see you...

[Zechman]

Kal,

Something D.R. wrote got me thinking....


It would be cool to have a "house-band", so that you could show-off how the game is played. I think a lot of people would like to try but have no idea what all that mess is on the screen. While the HouseBand is playing maybe have the DJ explain (in brief) how to play. We will assume that 'everyone' has seen GH/RB played but I would gather far more people have NOT actually played the game than people think.

What I was thinking was that you could start the night with the DJ explaining how to play the game, and do it while a "house band" plays a song for all to see. The DJ can explain the game elements while the band members can deliberately do things to demonstrate what the DJ is saying (building and breaking combos, whammy bar, drum fills, activating overdrive, singer playing cowbell/tambourine, etc.). That would be an entertaining way to introduce the game and maybe get more people interested in trying it, because at that point everyone is past the "what do I do?" hump.

--Dwayne

[Zechman]

I guess I can sum it up by calling it "Rock Band meets Iron Chef."

If you have a house band (or frankly, someone like Blair hanging around), instead of a competition that might scare people off, have a prize for winning a "Beat the House Challenge". Then let people take on either the House Band or the individual members on a single instrument (which will certainly happen more often). Since the House Band members are already sort-of established as the de facto champions, there's no shame in being beaten. But there's the possibility of an upset, and who wouldn't want to watch that...?

Of course, this is all predicated on the House Band actually being GOOD, but I think we can manage--not to mention recruit from people who challenge and do well.

--Dwayne

[Kalerado28]

Hey D.R.,

Well I was partied with the guys at Whitlow's again this past Tuesday.
My free-form band crapped out at 91&#37; on "GG&HT", but it's all good.

Evidently, Bill (the Whitlow's RB competition host) had gotten wind of my rantings from this forum. I talked in-depth with him and the other coordinator, Flip, last night. I gave them prospective ideas for future competitions and insight regarding the needs of the moderate-to-hardcore RockBand gamer. They listened attentively and felt out my level of experience with gameplay, tournament rules, etc. They also realized how firm my finger is on the pulse of the RockBand.com and XBox.com forum communities. By the time we all were finished talking, they had offered me a job position as RockBand Night Tournament Coordinator. They said they would give me free reign to re-vamp existing competition gameplay, as to better accommodate the seemingly left-out Expert player.

DC/MD/VA-area forum regulars,
This is your chance to provide direct input for inclusion into the RockBand Tournament rules & gameplay at Whitlow's.

Please let me hear your suggestions.
I could draw up everything myself, but I feel the voice of the online community matters.
The time allotted (as of right now) is every Tuesday (9:30pm-12:30am). However, I would love to move it to Friday somehow...
Speak now or forever hold your peas. :p

Well, folks...
I'll be taking over as RockBand Night Co-Host at Whitlow's on Wilson
(2 blocks from Clarendon Metro station) this and every Tuesday, 9pm-12:30am

COME ROCK OUT, HAVE FUN, AND SHOW SOME SUPPORT FOR ONE OF YOUR FORUM REGULARS! :D

PS: Their food is EXCELLENT, by the way... (highly-recommend the paella) :p

[Saturated_fat]

Kalerado28, That's awesome news. I might have to swing by and check it out when my voice is back up to par...sucks that its only to 12:30 ;). Good luck with everything would love to get more spots in the DC/metro area going on different nights.

Just an FYI, I know its been posted already but Tuesdays at The Reef seems to be jumpin. Was there last week randomly (found it while walking around AFTER playing for 6hours at my house), it was awesome no complaints. There were a mix of bands, most people do play on Easy with the exception of a few. If you're looking for casual gameplay on a Tuesday this is the place to be.

[Kalerado28]

Kalerado28, That's awesome news. I might have to swing by and check it out when my voice is back up to par...sucks that its only to 12:30 ;). Good luck with everything would love to get more spots in the DC/metro area going on different nights.

Just an FYI, I know its been posted already but Tuesdays at The Reef seems to be jumpin. Was there last week randomly (found it while walking around AFTER playing for 6hours at my house), it was awesome no complaints. There were a mix of bands, most people do play on Easy with the exception of a few. If you're looking for casual gameplay on a Tuesday this is the place to be.

Yeah, if you think The Reef was fun, you'll definitely want to swing by Whitlow's, buddy!
Check this post out, then click on the link to see pictures from last week:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=960980&postcount=64

[IanHudson]

I played drums for Sausagefest, and i think the biggest thing i didnt like about the whole tournament was the fact that we had our backs to the crowd (i understand you cant really help that) and that it was also alot smaller than the one in my living room (again i understand its a house tv).

[pretty_pink_pistol]

I JUST realized how close this bar is to me (Crystal City resident myself) lol I'm definitely gonna try to bring some people up there one of these tuesdays =]

[Kalerado28]

I played drums for Sausagefest, and i think the biggest thing i didnt like about the whole tournament was the fact that we had our backs to the crowd (i understand you cant really help that) and that it was also alot smaller than the one in my living room (again i understand its a house tv).

What's up, Ian!
Dude, you guys had great performances and definitely rocked out at the tournament!
If we had to judge on stage presence and vintage rock attire alone, you guys would have won, hands down.
I can't wait until the next tournament on Tuesday, August 26th!! :D

The problem of the bands having their backs to the audience is definitely being looked into. It's an issue that I have been struggling with management over, since I took over as host. I am working on trying to convince the owners and management to purchase and install new flat-panel HDTVs, so that bands can face their audience. But the only way that management will do that is if there is a large-enough increase in patronage to warrant investing that type of money into the event. Management has been steadily improving and upgrading the equipment since I've been hosting though; so if there is a marked increase of participants/patrons on Tuesday night, it is more likely that management will go along with my idea of investing in additional gameplay displays.

Every Tuesday is killer, but I'm banking on you guys coming back to kick some major arse at the next tournament!
Hopefully, by then, we'll have the new displays installed for gameplay participants. :rolleyes:

[Zechman]

I played drums for Sausagefest, and i think the biggest thing i didnt like about the whole tournament was the fact that we had our backs to the crowd (i understand you cant really help that) and that it was also alot smaller than the one in my living room (again i understand its a house tv).
You guys DEFINITELY ratcheted up the awesome factor with the costumes and antics. I'm glad to see at least one of you is here on the forum.

Just don't expect drhollen, DikRodnum, and I to take it easy on you when it comes time to defend our title! :cool:

--Dwayne

[IanHudson]

haha yea, you guys were awesome. my mind still cant put together how you guys dominated limelight like you did. we definatly were not playing up to par though..........mostly because my singer and bassist like to *live* the part of a rock star and get hammared before going into the finals. but if i can keep both of them sober (and less worried about the miller lite girls) you guys might have a challenge come next tournament. our costumes may be going in a different direction come next tournament too....that may just be a million times better than before. and your's truly MAY be going back to his roots on guitar and making the guitar player jump back onto drums assuring atleast two 100% performances from Sausagefest



*dont get me wrong if i didnt have to be at work that next day at 4 am, i would have brought the band down as well*

[IanHudson]

we are also trying to get alot more of our groupies/fans out to the event so that management will be happy also

[DikRodnum]

LoL...well I have to say you guys DID rock in the whole dress-code thing. I had a great time, and will be back to rock out again before the tourny.

Now, if they could only get the stage and sound right i would be there every tues!

[destrukshawn]

okay this is in clarendon right? i should be able to marc it down and just crash on someone's floor and marc it back the next morning.

see you guys next tuesday

[Kalerado28]

LoL...well I have to say you guys DID rock in the whole dress-code thing. I had a great time, and will be back to rock out again before the tourny.

Now, if they could only get the stage and sound right i would be there every tues!

Hey, DR!
Yeah, as of August 5th, Whitlow's management has upgraded the sound system considerably. So far, they've supplied a real stage monitor (instead of using the TV speakers) and 2 new main loudspeakers (in the same spot where the old ones hovered) for the sound system to be integrated with their mixing console/box.

A few weeks ago, Billy gave me a heads-up and told me that Whitlow's restaurant would be doing a major upgrade of their audio/visual systems for the impending football season, and that considerations for RockBand gameplay would be taken into account along with those plans.

So yesterday, Billy called me @ 5:30pm to inform me that management had cancelled RockBand gameplay for last night only, due to "renovations currently being made to the main stage... and they're not quite ready yet".

This statement sounded very promising to me, in terms of what to expect next week. I may not get down to the restaurant before Tuesday, so I may end up seeing the 'renovations' when everybody else does.
[To DR, Zechman, Dale] We have discussed this display issue before, and it warrants further discussion because I want to have authentic feedback from participants to improve the experience all around.

So anyone [IanHudson, Icanhas360, Colt_Steele, Liger_Trainer, and anyone else who's been to Whitlow's],
please give me your suggestions for the gameplay display monitor situation. I plan on talking to management before the coming Tuesday, to submit those and my suggestions/ideas for consideration.

[drhollen]

I didn't get the message in time and went up to Whitlow's on Tuesday. Apparently, they had shampooed the carpet on the stage and it still hadn't dried. No major renovations. Just cleaning.

So... I went over to Zechman's place and jammed out to the new Roadrunner pack. I think we have a new hardest song (Sleepwalker by Megadeth). We were also practicing up the Dream Theater song.

Dale

[Kalerado28]

I didn't get the message in time and went up to Whitlow's on Tuesday. Apparently, they had shampooed the carpet on the stage and it still hadn't dried. No major renovations. Just cleaning.

So... I went over to Zechman's place and jammed out to the new Roadrunner pack. I think we have a new hardest song (Sleepwalker by Megadeth). We were also practicing up the Dream Theater song.

Dale

BAD NEWS
Sorry, you didn't get the message in time, Dale.
I sent out the mass notifications via e-mail and XBoxLIVE as soon as I possibly could.
That's bum news about the shampooed carpet too. I mean, I love freshly-cleaned carpet just as much as the next guy, but I sure was hoping for those stage renovations. Oh well, I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed... :rolleyes:

GOOD NEWS
I just confirmed with Tina (http://www.myspace.com/tinamontgomery) that she and the rest of the MILLER LITE Girls of NoVA will indeed be back for more drink specials, antics and partying with us for the RockBand Tournament @ WHITLOW'S (http://www.whitlows.com)
on Tuesday, August 26th !! :D

[Zechman]

Kal:

I'm planning on coming out tonight, and I'm also planning to bring my XBox that has, well, almost everything. I'm sure drhollen is gonna want to take a stab at Constant Motion, and I'm looking forward to jamming some Duran Duran.

Plus I've got something special in mind for our opening song. :cool:

One question: How did you get the running times for all the songs on the song list you use? I can't seem to find that information anywhere.

--Dwayne

[Rob Bob]

You guys DEFINITELY ratcheted up the awesome factor with the costumes and antics. I'm glad to see at least one of you is here on the forum.

Just don't expect drhollen, DikRodnum, and I to take it easy on you when it comes time to defend our title! :cool:

--Dwayne


On the other hand, you can probably assume I will let up a bit. I wouldn't want us to win all the tourneys...

Rob

[Kalerado28]

Kal:

I'm planning on coming out tonight, and I'm also planning to bring my XBox that has, well, almost everything. I'm sure drhollen is gonna want to take a stab at Constant Motion, and I'm looking forward to jamming some Duran Duran.

Plus I've got something special in mind for our opening song. :cool:

One question: How did you get the running times for all the songs on the song list you use? I can't seem to find that information anywhere.

--Dwayne

Now THAT was an awesome night!!! :D
Always a pleasure to rock out with you guys!!
Thanks for bringing your DLC-maxed XBOX, Zechman!

I got some of the song times from rockband.scorehero.com.
For the rest of the songs, I got the times by going on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Npeaen) and documenting the actual start and end times of the song runs (minus initial applause and anything after the song's final "thump").


PS: Check this out too: http://www.guitarzero2.proboards78.com/index.cgi

I'm in the middle of making/charting my first custom song: "No Such Thing" by John Mayer :p
Hopefully, I'll be able to bring the software to RockBand Night at some point.

[aznpride2]

kalerado is there any chance that you would allow your best friend aznpride2 to come even though im 16 (im mature and an amazing drummer haha) (expert) :P if you wont thats alright ill understand just i live in arlington va so its like really close :P

[aznpride2]

like i could get my parents to come since its a bar and all and i could play for them or something iunno

[Zechman]

Kal, I'm really glad you brought your power supply! I had no idea that would be an issue!

Y'know, Witlows is almost becoming a victim of its own success: There's so many people coming and signing up that any given group is not getting as many opportunities to play.

The band That's What She Said, who from talking to them have been coming regularly since early June, got upset and left because they only got to play one song and were never called up onto the stage again.

If this trend continues, they'll either have to start earlier, do it on more nights, or both. (And I will approve!)

On a more positive note, I did have a blast singing Don't Fear The Reaper and playing a real cowbell for the cowbell parts (even if it wasn't our opener after all). :cool:

--Dwayne

[Kalerado28]

On a more positive note, I did have a blast singing Don't Fear The Reaper and playing a real cowbell for the cowbell parts (even if it wasn't our opener after all). :cool:

--Dwayne

Dude!! You were killer on that cowbell!
I don't know what I was thinking by not recording that on video! :(

[Rob Bob]

Y'know, Witlows is almost becoming a victim of its own success: There's so many people coming and signing up that any given group is not getting as many opportunities to play.


Yeah I felt bad for TWSS -- but they apparently didn't fill out more than one form until Flip had a stack of them. The fact that MBS (we) got to play so often was because you filled out a stack of sign-ups before we began. That was probably a bit unfair in our advantage. I won't complain too much about that, but it could just as easily come back and bite us next time.

Still, it's nice to see an engaged crowd. Compared with Hard Times Cafe, where no one applauds, it's definitely become a place to be.

[Rob Bob]

Oh, yeah, another thing: the sound at Whitlow's clearly has to be addressed. Most of the bands sounded terrible, even when they were playing well.

[Kalerado28]

kalerado is there any chance that you would allow your best friend aznpride2 to come even though im 16 (im mature and an amazing drummer haha) (expert) :P if you wont thats alright ill understand just i live in arlington va so its like really close :P

If you can get past the bouncer at the door who "cards" people, BE MY GUEST!!
:D

I just host, dude. I don't own the club, nor am I a part of the management team, so I have no say in that aspect of tournament/gameplay participation.
Sorry... :(

[Kalerado28]

Yeah I felt bad for TWSS -- but they apparently didn't fill out more than one form until Flip had a stack of them. The fact that MBS (we) got to play so often was because you filled out a stack of sign-ups before we began. That was probably a bit unfair in our advantage. I won't complain too much about that, but it could just as easily come back and bite us next time.

First, I'd like to say I continue to appreciate the constructive feedback from everyone on this forum.

Next, I believe Flip and I were a little unprepared for the bombardment of sooo many participants this past Tuesday. For all who signed up the right way, thanks for your participation, but I noticed that some participants were taking advantage of the sign-up process and tried to play when it wasn't their turn.

The song sign-up process WILL DEFINITELY be revamped by me personally.
To give everyone a fair allotment of gameplay, I'm looking at enforcing 1 song per 10 minute sign-up rule; if you sign-up your band at 10:10pm (actual sign-up time, not gameplay time) to play a song, your band can't sign up to play another song until 10:20pm). This, at least, will eliminate multiple, consecutive song sign-ups from bands.
Input on this new rule is welcomed.


Oh, yeah, another thing: the sound at Whitlow's clearly has to be addressed. Most of the bands sounded terrible, even when they were playing well.

Yeah, hopefully this will be addressed come tournament-time. Again, this is yet another aspect I have limited control over, which is mandated by Whitlow's management.

[Zechman]

RE: T.W.S.S.

I wasn't sure if they had filled out multiple sheets or not. I do think it's a good idea to have one signup sheet per song rather than one sheet per band.

Unfortunately, from talking to Flip afterwards, it seems that a number of people were "gaming the system" a bit by signing up with different band names in order to repeat play while Flip was trying prevent exactly that. :mad: I didn't see it for certain myself, but I suspect there was some attempted "identity theft" as well--people claiming to be the band that he called up when they weren't.

RE: The Sound

I have a little bit of experience with this, and found out afterward that part of the problem was that the on-stage monitor speaker was messed up. It was a lot better when we cut that out and used the TV instead.

Also, two weeks before (since they skipped last week) the audio was being fed from the TV to the sound board rather than straight from the XBox--which means the TV had been pre-equalizing it a bit and reducing the levels. But this week we got a flat, too-hot signal that was clipping the amp. Next week it will go back to the TV output and should be better.

Plus we were sitting too close. It was better if you walked further back.

RE: Sign-up Procedures

I'm not sure that a ten-minute rule is necessary so long as it's understood that the host has full discretion to re-arrange the order. Then when you get multiple submissions at the beginning, you just put a minimum of 4-5 other bands in between, and more if the stack gets taller. Otherwise you're just penalizing people who are there at the beginning.

A possible simpler solution is to just accept one submission at a time. After a band plays, they can put in another one. The virtual equivalent of that is to only have one submission in the "official" stack at a time, and any additional ones stay in the "on hold" stack until after the band plays, at which time they are added to the end of the "official" stack.

But really I don't think the problem was that the process was broken. I think we just had people trying to "cheat" in the midst of a big turnout.

And it doesn't hurt to be a little biased in favor of new people trying it out and/or regulars entertaining the crowd. ;)

RE: The Tournament

A suggestion: Unless you want the contests decided by who does and doesn't fail out, don't require anything more than Hard. (Then again, the failures do save time and keep things moving . . . .)

RE: Bringing my XBox

I'll probably bring my system again, including a suitable power brick. I expect Moving Pictures will be well received.

And Mrs. Zechman has expressed an interest in coming next week, too. She assures me that it has nothing to do with the Miller Lite Girls being there. :rolleyes:;)

--Dwayne

[Kalerado28]

RE: T.W.S.S.

I wasn't sure if they had filled out multiple sheets or not. I do think it's a good idea to have one signup sheet per song rather than one sheet per band.

Yeah, these sign-up sheets not only facilitate gameplay, but also double as the statistical records that Whitow's management uses to document patron attendance and participation. So, basically, the more bands that play (and more sheets they receive at the end of each Tuesday night), the more monetary investment that the owners/management will put towards operating and upgrading the RockBand Night. If it weren't for my attempts to unite the local-area and online RockBand communities at a central location, management would have surely cancelled the event altogether.



Unfortunately, from talking to Flip afterwards, it seems that a number of people were "gaming the system" a bit by signing up with different band names in order to repeat play while Flip was trying prevent exactly that. :mad: I didn't see it for certain myself, but I suspect there was some attempted "identity theft" as well--people claiming to be the band that he called up when they weren't.

About people signing up with different band names, I also suspected as much. However, bandmembers inter-mingling with soloists and/or people from already-formed bands inorder to form new spin-off bands is the results that we're shooting for here. This increases the "fun" factor, in my opinion.

(Example: Let say there's a band, I Ain't Legend, who regularly performs on any given night. If 2 of their members pair up with 2 members of Metric Brainstem to form a "new" band, The Metric Legends, I think they should be allowed to sign-up and submit their new band's form for inclusion into the "official" stack, alongside their regular respective bands without penalty.)

Sidenote: I noticed the members of SausageFest didn't use their actual band name for freeplay on Tuesday. Maybe they save its usage for tournament entry only or when they're actually outfitted in their authentic rock garb.

The "identity theft" was surely an unwelcome surprise. :(
Geez! I mean, you'd expect people to respect some kind of honor system, right?
Oh well... I guess there's no 'honor among drunks', lol :p

It has been been expressed to me that management could give floot about the logistic aspects of gameplay too. The bottom line to Whitlow's is for people to have fun REGARDLESS. So, in other words, if rigid rules and guidelines of gameplay start to damper the overall "fun" level of patrons, then management starts to axe them. The reason why the band tournament was axed from every Tuesday down to the last Tuesday of the month (in favor of freeplay) is because newbies, intimidated by hardcore experts, felt that entering the tournament was useless to attend and participate in, since they'd always get beaten anyways.


RE: The Sound

I have a little bit of experience with this, and found out afterward that part of the problem was that the on-stage monitor speaker was messed up. It was a lot better when we cut that out and used the TV instead.

Also, two weeks before (since they skipped last week) the audio was being fed from the TV to the sound board rather than straight from the XBox--which means the TV had been pre-equalizing it a bit and reducing the levels. But this week we got a flat, too-hot signal that was clipping the amp. Next week it will go back to the TV output and should be better.

Yeah, the sound system seemed perfect when they brought in those brand-new speakers on August 5th. We're gonna have to revert to whatever audio configuration we used that day. Also, as far as video, I want to try using the component (RGB) cables output, instead of the RCA video cable output, to see if we can get a picture on the display that's better than the current fuzzy one.


RE: Sign-up Procedures

I'm not sure that a ten-minute rule is necessary so long as it's understood that the host has full discretion to re-arrange the order. Then when you get multiple submissions at the beginning, you just put a minimum of 4-5 other bands in between, and more if the stack gets taller. Otherwise you're just penalizing people who are there at the beginning.

A possible simpler solution is to just accept one submission at a time. After a band plays, they can put in another one. The virtual equivalent of that is to only have one submission in the "official" stack at a time, and any additional ones stay in the "on hold" stack until after the band plays, at which time they are added to the end of the "official" stack.

But really I don't think the problem was that the process was broken. I think we just had people trying to "cheat" in the midst of a big turnout.

And it doesn't hurt to be a little biased in favor of new people trying it out and/or regulars entertaining the crowd. ;)

Agreed.
Also, I'll look into adding a "song order re-arrangement discretion" entry to the sign-up form disclaimer.


RE: The Tournament

A suggestion: Unless you want the contests decided by who does and doesn't fail out, don't require anything more than Hard. (Then again, the failures do save time and keep things moving . . . .)

I actually brought this up with Flip at the last tourney and wanted the Hard difficulty too, but we bumped heads on the issue. He had some valid points, so I bended for the sake of time. Ideally, during all forms of gameplay, I would never want any band to "fail out". Any fail-out just counteracts the whole "fun by any means" notion expressed by Whitlow's management. And in tournament play, I would want ranking to be determined by end-score rather than actual song completion.

A perfect example for preference of non-fails is the fail-out endured by one band this past Tuesday at the end of their song. Even though the band completed the song fully to the last note, the results page displayed 99% completion! This is obviously a result of some type of fallacy in Harmonix's software programming that could possibly enrage hardcore (correction: agressively competitive) contestants (thus, depleting "fun"), especially in a heated face-off. A few members from the band Aluminum Funkit, who ranked 2nd Place in last month's tournament, were pretty miffed at not winning 1st Place. They demanded that I re-check the score tallies to verify the win.


RE: Bringing my XBox

I'll probably bring my system again, including a suitable power brick. I expect Moving Pictures will be well received.

This would be most appreciated, my friend!
In that case, I have other potential competition songs to reconsider.
:rolleyes: **daydreaming about "Limelight (Original)", even though the cover was pretty good, and wondering if HMX will use the same chart they used for the cover**


And Mrs. Zechman has expressed an interest in coming next week, too. She assures me that it has nothing to do with the Miller Lite Girls being there. :rolleyes:;)

Suuuuure it doesn't... :o LOL
She needs to be forewarned though; Dwayne Frenkle's cowbell-playing is so skillful!
All we need is for Harmonix to release "Incense and Peppermints" by Strawberry Alarm Clock as DLC, and it might incite an all-out, Miller Lite chickfight!!

[Zechman]

A perfect example for preference of non-fails is the fail-out endured by one band this past Tuesday at the end of their song. Even though the band completed the song fully to the last note, the results page displayed 99% completion! This is obviously a result of some type of fallacy in Harmonix's software programming . . . .
I remember this. They had one of their band members failed out with no way to bring them back in (either "strike three" or no one had a half-tank of Overdrive--I don't recall) so they were racing the "burning fuse" to reach the end of the song. But the fuse hit the bottom right after the last note but still within the last measure of the song, so it was logged as a failure, which will never say 100%, since the final measure never finished.

A truly hard core band would NEVER allow that fail-out scenario to happen.

--Dwayne

[Zechman]

What?

Girls on Film?

Hmmm, let me think . . . nope, never heard of it . . . .

Is that part of next week's DLC???

:o

--Dwayne

[drhollen]

(Example: Let say there's a band, I Ain't Legend, who regularly performs on any given night. If 2 of their members pair up with 2 members of Metric Brainstem to form a "new" band, The Metric Legends, I think they should be allowed to sign-up and submit their new band's form for inclusion into the "official" stack, alongside their regular respective bands without penalty.)



<MUMBLES TO HIMSELF> Must find members for Metric Lengends, Must find members for Metric Lengends... </MUMBLES TO HIMSELF>

Dale

[IanHudson]

yea we only play under the name of sausagefest when we are in full rock attire, ie. tournament nights. Other than that we are the pecan sandies.........which took alot of arguing to agree upon.

anyways cant wait to play tommorro night.........i feel bad for those poor miller lite girls

[IanHudson]

by the way, sausagefest plans on staying somewhat sober and taking the gold. even though i broke my drums during an intense practice this past weekend and proceeded to scissor kick the drum set when i failed, we are more than ready this time.







disclaimer:
Our performance last tuesday (the pecan sandies) was doomed from the beginning when we all decided to get hammered....so that in no way reflects upon sausagefest


..........and yes we did use our gift certificate from last month to open a tab hahaha

[Liger_Trainer]

Hey guys, just found this thread.

I've had a great time the past two visits and I'm definitely in the house tomorrow night.

I don't know how it's going to work with me not having a band though. I think that it would be best to make people wait to sign up again until after they perform.

[Kalerado28]

I've had a great time the past two visits and I'm definitely in the house tomorrow night.

I don't know how it's going to work with me not having a band though. I think that it would be best to make people wait to sign up again until after they perform.

Cool! I'm glad you finally found this thread. Welcome! :D
Also, if you can remember to, bring your drum throne. It would be most appreciated and needed for gameplay because I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it up to Chuck Levin's in time to buy one.

As far as band sign-up for the tournament, I expect a turn-out in record numbers for tomorrow. I also have several friends who will be coming this particular time; so if needed, I will pair you up with some folks myself.

I can feel this is gonna be one for the books!!
I CAN'T WAIT!!! :D

[Liger_Trainer]

Yeah I actually have two thrones. One I use for my real drum set - which is a Pork Pie "Big Boy" throne. The other is a $30 Sound Percussion throne I use for Rockband.

I think I can go ahead and donate the SP throne because I have trouble with the top seat loosening during extended play. I may look into a different low-end model.

[Kalerado28]

Hello again, Fellow Rockers!!! :)

I just came on to give a big THANK YOU to everyone who came out to support the
2nd monthly ROCK BAND TOURNAMENT EXTRAVAGANZA @ Whitlow's (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106712486447084464501.000444bb644c101b40abb&z=4) this past Tuesday!!!

Pics and more details will be uploaded/edited to this post soon. Stay tuned! ;)

[divinechaos]

I just found this too, I live around 20 minutes from Clarendon. I have a couple of q's:

Do bands ONLY play in easy/med? Is there a way to get a harder level of play going on? I have a bunch of friends who's be down for this and I'm always free Tuesdays nights. Also, no DLC? I would bring my Xbox if you wanted.

Take care

Edit: 21 and up only? Man, I'm 20 and so are most of my friends. The only person who's younger than that is my little brother, who is 15 and a BEAST in expert drums. He can nail every Who song.

[Zechman]

divinechaos:

During Free Play (which is what it always is except on tournament nights once a month) you can play whatever difficulty you want. drhollen and I regularly rip it up on Expert, and I've even been known to do Bass/Vox on Ex/Ex (or at least Ex/Hard). During tournaments they specify a difficulty, in order to keep the scores comparable, which is a good thing.

That said, a lot of people do play on Easy/Medium because they are new to the game (or slightly . . . impaired . . . because they're "over 21";)).

The DLC thing is something we're working on, and I hope we can convince Witlows to get some DLC. In the mean time, kalerado28 almost always brings his system and the last couple of weeks I've brought mine with even more.

As mentioned before, the 21 and up thing is because they serve alcohol, and is not up to us. But it's an otherwise family-friendly place, so it may just be a matter of convincing the management.

But to put it in perspective for you: the whole purpose of Rock Band as scheduled entertainment for the night is to sell more drinks because dinner time is over by then. They can't make much money selling sodas and won't sell more drinks with underage rockers filling the seats. So keep that in mind.

--Dwayne

[Liger_Trainer]

Hey guys - I had an awesome time at the tournament. Winning is cool and all, but I'm looking for a good time most of all.

I can't wait till some of the new announced albums come out so we can play them at Whitlow's :)

Also, RB2 should be a blast on non-tournament nights with the no-fail option...

[DikRodnum]

Hey guys, sorry I havent been by in the past few weeks...Life just kinda fell apart on me for a bit but Im somewhat good to go for this coming Tues, so I will see you all there!

[Liger_Trainer]

I'm hoping the madcatz bass will be making an appearance as well :)

Where did you pick it up from anyway?

[Liger_Trainer]

I picked up the bass and I'll bring it tonight.

Hope we get a better turnout than last time - that sucked! I'll be bringing about 5 people with me :)

Dwayne, I'm hoping you'll bring your hard drive tonight...

[Kalerado28]

Hello, Fellow RockBand-ers!!!

First and foremost, as the host of ROCKBAND Night @ Whitlow's Bar & Grill (http://www.whitlows.com), I would like to thank all of my forum regulars who continue to show up every Tuesday night to support our event! :D

(For those who didn't happen to attend this past Tuesday), representatives from the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com) newspaper came this past Tuesday to research, interview and photograph our hosts and patrons for an article they'll be publishing on ROCKBAND Night @ Whitlow's (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106712486447084464501.000444bb644c101b40abb&z=4)!!! This is more than likely due to the record turnout and word-of-mouth buzz we've been generating over the last 2 months. The reporters and photographer even formed their own ad-hoc band called "Steph and the Not-So-Good-Ones" and I played 3 or 4 songs with them on bass guitar!

This is major! The Washington Post is a globally distributed and read newspaper!! Talk about stoked!!!
So don't be shocked if you see your boy Kalerado (http://www.rockband.com/rockers/Kalerado28) in the newspaper very soon!

:cool: *collar pop*

Edit 09/14/08 3:18pm:
Special thank-you's go out to Steph Serven, Holly E. Thomas (author) and Jay Premack (photographer)
of The Washington Post for selecting Whitlow's On Wilson (http://www.whitlows.com)to be the prime feature in their
Rocking Out With Our Guitar Heroine article, published in today's Sunday edition (Section N04):

Clickable link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103003.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103003.html)
Unabbreviated: washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103003.html

RUN OUT AND BUY TODAY'S EDITION OF THE WASHINGTON POST!! :D:D:D

[Liger_Trainer]

Ah! I was wondering what was up with the guy taking photos. This is great for the venue. I know he took my picture, but I'm probably too ugly for the paper :(

That, and he didn't have me sign a waiver...

Kal - I suggested to "what's his name" from Whitlow's that they pick up RB2 when it comes out, but who knows. I'm sure we are all picking it up, but we should probably make sure at least one of us brings it if the bar isn't buying it right away.

RB2 should be alot of fun for this type of venue with the no-fail mode :) We need to make sure we play through the set list too to unlock all of the songs - or I guess we could use the unlock code...

[Kalerado28]

Ah! I was wondering what was up with the guy taking photos. This is great for the venue. I know he took my picture, but I'm probably too ugly for the paper :(

That, and he didn't have me sign a waiver...

Kal - I suggested to "what's his name" from Whitlow's that they pick up RB2 when it comes out, but who knows. I'm sure we are all picking it up, but we should probably make sure at least one of us brings it if the bar isn't buying it right away.

RB2 should be alot of fun for this type of venue with the no-fail mode :) We need to make sure we play through the set list too to unlock all of the songs - or I guess we could use the unlock code...

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I don't think Whitlow's management is keen on investing money in another game disc at this point. And just like me, whoever you talked to, Flip or Billy, aren't a part of management. We can only make strong suggestions to management and hope they give in. Unfortunately, (and I don't understand why, but) management shot down my idea to elevate the TV display by 18 inches with cinder blocks wrapped in black duct tape when I brought them in.

Well, I already put down money at GameStop to reserve the RB2 Bundle, so I won't be picking up RB2 (game only) myself. I'll be waiting until Oct. 19th to get the disc that'll come with my bundle and I'll be buying GH:WT (game only) shortly thereafter for freeplay as well. (I can't wait to play Lenny Kravitz's "Are You Gonna Go My Way"!!).

But if anyone of you regular attendees are purchasing RB2 tomorrow or at least before this Tuesday, you are welcome to please bring the disc and we'll work it into the gameplay. I already exported my RB1 songs to my hard drive, so people wanting to play the old stock songs won't be an issue.

Also, do you know if RB2 will have the same "Unlock All Songs" code that RB1 has??

NO-FAIL MODE!!! YEAHHH!!!! :D

[Liger_Trainer]

I'm picking it up from Walmart in Fred-neck tonight. I can bring it with my HD so we can play the old fav's (minus Enter Sandman...) along with the new stuff.

I'm sure Dwayne is picking up his as well and he has more DLC so it would be better for him to bring his HD I think.

I picked up the new RB2 drums - sweet :)

Edit: I think it was Flip.

[drhollen]

I'm back from vacation and suffering RB withdrawl. No RB for 2 weeks! I'm definately planning on being there this Tuesday.

Anyway, I'm also hoping to get RB2 tonight @ midnight @ Wal-mart. If that fails, Best Buy tomorrow.

Liger, bringing just your hard drive from your 360 doesn't work - none of your DLC will work since they are married to the console. If Whitlows had internet access to the unit, then you could bring HD and connect to Xbox Live to authenticate and then it would work and all DLC would be playable. So either whole console or nothing.

I do think Zechman is planning on coming Tuesday and probably brining his system/RB2 with loads of DLC and the new guitar if available by then.

Dale

[2dxzeus]

Hahahahaha, I live in Arlington and I just found out about this :(

I have roommate who plays too, but we need a singer + secondary guitarist. We are mad with the drumming.

[Kalerado28]

Hahahahaha, I live in Arlington and I just found out about this :(

I have roommate who plays too, but we need a singer + secondary guitarist. We are mad with the drumming.

That's great!!! We are in need of "a few good dummers". :)
It's free!! I welcome you and all your friends to come participate!
More than likely, I'll pair you guys up with other people who are in need of additional "bandmembers" to form a band.
If not, I can perform double-duty as fill-in guitarist/vocalist!

Come on out! We always have a blast @ Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com) on Tuesdays nights!!! :D

[BYC]

Well, I might finally be able to get down there. I just accepted a new position in Reston, VA. It's not that far of a haul from Reston to you guys one day a week. I'm always willing to sing (even if my voice is horrible, but I score well according to the game). I can drum, although I'm stuck on Dead on Arrival, but able to past other songs like all the Disturbed stuff, all Metallica except for Blackened. I don't score that well but I love playing.

[Javman158]

Hey everyone, just signed up to these boards to be able to post for this. I'm a fairly decent drummer, and I wanted to know what the set they use is like? I couldn't bring mine as I use my own TD-6 kit at home. Also, how's the general atmosphere of the place?

Next, anyone need a drummer to play with? I probably won't be able to convince any of my friends to go with me yet, as the last time we tried to go to one of these it was a disaster.

Lastly, any recommendations for food? I might go out a bit early to actually get a meal, so what's the good stuff at this place?

Thanks in advance to whoever can help me out here.

[Zechman]

. . . and I am planning to bring the XBox and RB2. I don't have the new guitar yet, but if GameStop gets it in today then I'll bring it, too. Auto-calibration FTW!

I've unlocked A LOT but not quite everything. So what's this "unlock all songs" cheat? (Hmmm, this could actually have the additional desirable side-effect of preventing other people from inadvertently unlocking any achievements I haven't done yet.)

Liger_Trainer: Please bring the MadCatz P-Bass if you can. I'm thinking about getting one so I'm keen to try it out.

--Dwayne

[Liger_Trainer]

Yup - P-Bass will be in the house. Obviously off-topic here, but here are the unlock codes:

Unlock All Songs : R, Y, B, R, R, B, B, R, Y, B
Performance Mode: B, B, R, R, Y, Y, B, B
Stage Mode: B, Y, R, B, Y, R, B, Y, R
New Venues Only: R, R, R, R, Y, Y, Y, Y
Choose Venue: B, O, O, B, Y, B, O, O, B, Y
Awesomeness Detection: Y, B, O,Y, B, O, Y, B, O
So, if anything, we can do the unlock code and stage mode (no fail/pause disabled). That should make things enjoyable for all :)

@Javman158 - welcome to the boards and to the thread. The house drumset is not that great, but not horrible either. It's good enough. I'm a RL drummer and I bring my own sticks and a throne for everyone to use instead of a chair.

The food is good - not great. I've had the nacho's with chicken and hot wings. Both were good. Tuesday is taco night and they are pretty good too.

There are a bunch of restaurants nearby so you could always eat at one of those...

-James

[Kalerado28]

...and I am planning to bring the XBox and RB2. I don't have the new guitar yet, but if GameStop gets it in today then I'll bring it, too. Auto-calibration FTW!

I've unlocked A LOT but not quite everything. So what's this "unlock all songs" cheat? (Hmmm, this could actually have the additional desirable side-effect of preventing other people from inadvertently unlocking any achievements I haven't done yet.)

Cool!!! Bringing your console, etc. is gonna be great!!
Unfortunately, I locked myself into putting money down to reserve the RB2 bundle, so I won't be getting the game disc until October 19.

Bringing the new guitar would be great too (if they have it in-stock).
I talked to DikRodnum moments ago. He told me that he encountered some calibration issues, trying to sync RB2 with the RB1 guitar. So I'll be there early tonight (8pm) to address calibration, etc.

Hopefully, you can unlock all the songs by tonight, Dwayne (?) :p

And I may also be bringing a beautiful surprise guest-participant with me, lol... ;)

I'll see you all tonight @ WHITLOW'S (http://www.whitlows.com)!!! :D

[DikRodnum]

Hey all...I talked to Kal earlier today and I had offered to bring my box and game also, but i'll just bring my drums (RB2 drums). I'm going to show up early still to help calibrate the system, cause IDK about you guys but i had an F'd up time trying to get the guitar to match up right on my tv at home.

I want to let everyone also know that i'm really looking forward to singing or playing drums, so if you need one or the other let me know.

[Zechman]

I called GameStop this afternoon and they did get their RB2 guitars today. So I'll pick it up this evening and bring it along, too.

--Dwayne

[Rob Bob]

Wow. All of a sudden we're silly with drummers. This bodes poorly for my chances of playing much tonight. Hmmm....

[DikRodnum]

Hey people, just wanted to say it was awesome rockin' with everyone who came out last night! Good way to bring in RB2...Zech and Dr.H were great on the axes and Rob and Liger held it down on the drums, (Sorry the drums weren't that accurate).
It would have been better if more people had shown but it was still a solid night.

Kal and Flip...on point hosting (but not on wire managment, LoL!) and Whitlows for getting "everyone" in the place involved!

See you all later!

[2dxzeus]

I was planning on going, but I've been really busy. Same time next week?

[Kalerado28]

I was planning on going, but I've been really busy. Same time next week?

Yup!
Same Rock-time, same Rock-channel! :p

www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=960980&postcount=64 (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=960980&postcount=64)

PS: In addition to RockBand 2, stay tuned for gameplay with "That Other Soon-To-Be-Released Band Game Clone" @ Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com) on October 28th!!!

[IanHudson]

so does anyone know where i can find this export patch at?? it doesnt come up on xbox live under games>rock band 2

[Liger_Trainer]

so does anyone know where i can find this export patch at?? it doesnt come up on xbox live under games>rock band 2
When you put RB1 in there should be an update (if you haven't played in a couple weeks).

Go into Options > Export songs > Success

[Colt_Steele]

Yup!
Same Rock-time, same Rock-channel! :p

We'll be there this week. Finally talked her into coming out this Tuesday. She's lovin' RB2, the track selection is just too good.

[pretty_pink_pistol]

i finally finished classes for this quarter so hopefully i can convince people come to with me out there tonite. would be nice since i haven't played RB for a looooong time lol

[Kalerado28]

i finally finished classes for this quarter so hopefully i can convince people come to with me out there tonite. would be nice since i haven't played RB for a looooong time lol


Cool! I look forward to meeting you and your buddies. :)
We're gonna have a blast at Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com) tonight, especially going thru the new Rush "Moving Pictures" album DLC! :D

[Liger_Trainer]

I'm not going to be able to make it tonight. Been having some family issues. Hopefully you all can survive one night without me :D lol

I plan to be there next week for the tournament though :)

[2dxzeus]

Holy ****, is the Rush DLC actually out?

[Liger_Trainer]

Anyone wanna give a re-cap of last night?

[Kalerado28]

Anyone wanna give a re-cap of last night?

Who better than the host, right? :rolleyes:

Well, this time the night started off kind of slow (likely due to most people saving their chops to compete in next week's tourney). But it later warmed up to a moderate attendance right after good ol' Zechman came thru with his "Every-DLC-Owned XBox". I'd say 80% of attendees last night were first-timers who had NEVER been to Whitlow's before ever. My DJ mixing skills seem to be developing nicely, as I witnessed people dancing and bobbing their heads to my tune selections. I even incorporated some sound effects for "epic fails"... Sorry, Zechman. lol :p
But after RobBob (my designated driver for the night, lol) snapped the kick pedal in half near the end of the night, the manager on-duty, Sue, felt compelled to end the night a little early @ 12mid.

I'll edit if I think of anything else.


PS: Oh yeah, I'll be going to Hard Times Cafe for their GH/RB Night tonite, if anyone would care to join me.

[DDRFreaK621]

How am I just now hearing about this?!
I'm in reston til 10pm every tuesday night. How long do you guys tend to play?
I'm expert drums and guitar. GS on GGHT on guitar and 5 star WGFA on drums.

I'll have to drop by sometime.

Also, if anyone here is on PS3 my PSN is jR1P (add me if you have DLC :D)

[Kalerado28]

How am I just now hearing about this?!
I'm in reston til 10pm every tuesday night. How long do you guys tend to play?
I'm expert drums and guitar. GS on GGHT on guitar and 5 star WGFA on drums.

I'll have to drop by sometime.

Also, if anyone here is on PS3 my PSN is jR1P (add me if you have DLC :D)

Well, according to Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com) management, 12:30AM is the official posted cut-off time.
But the other host and I have been known to extend the gameplay festivities until 1:00AM. :p

[Liger_Trainer]

Well, according to Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com) management, 12:30AM is the official posted cut-off time.
But the other host and I have been known to extend the gameplay festivities until 1:00AM. :p

Kal - I keep forgetting to ask you - do you think there is any way we could get the start time bumped up from 9:30? I'm not sure about everyone, but I'm coming from Germantown and it's about a 45 minute drive. Leaving at 11:30 I wouldn't get home till after midnight and then waking up for work in the morning.

I understand that they won't give us a Friday or Saturday but it would be cool if they could let us start a little earlier...

[Kalerado28]

Kal - I keep forgetting to ask you - do you think there is any way we could get the start time bumped up from 9:30? I'm not sure about everyone, but I'm coming from Germantown and it's about a 45 minute drive. Leaving at 11:30 I wouldn't get home till after midnight and then waking up for work in the morning.

I understand that they won't give us a Friday or Saturday but it would be cool if they could let us start a little earlier...

I'll get to work on it.
What time would you suggest?

[Rob Bob]

I'll get to work on it.
What time would you suggest?
I was under the impression that 9:30 was about as early as they could go, because they wanted to give the dinner crowd time to clear out. (Not speaking on behalf of Whitlow's in any fashion.)

[Rob Bob]

But after RobBob (my designated driver for the night, lol) snapped the kick pedal in half near the end of the night...


Guilty as charged. :o
I did find out later that it probably wouldn't have mattered as far as us finishing Red Barchetta. It has a pretty tricky part in the middle that I haven't been able to pass despite repeated attempts. :mad:

I hope Billy et al were able to get the replacement pedal sent. In any case, I'll bring my pedal next week -- it has the metal-plate mod which makes it much sturdier.

[Liger_Trainer]

I was under the impression that 9:30 was about as early as they could go, because they wanted to give the dinner crowd time to clear out. (Not speaking on behalf of Whitlow's in any fashion.)
This was also my understanding. I'm not sure how busy they are during dinner time on a Tuesday night.

Ideally, I think a 8:00 - 8:30 start time would be awesome. And they could stretch it out till 12:30 like they do now. My feeling is that they may get more participation from the dinner crowd that otherwise wouldn't stay till 9:30.

Again, I'm bringing people that are ~45 away. My one friend lives in damn Frederick and he's getting less willing to come on a semi-regular basis. Mainly because if we roll at 12:00, he's not home until at least 1:00.

So anyway Kal- if you can talk to management and see if they can flex the time, that would be great. If not, I guess I'll have to live with it. :)

--James

[Kalerado28]

This was also my understanding. I'm not sure how busy they are during dinner time on a Tuesday night.

So anyway Kal- if you can talk to management and see if they can flex the time, that would be great. If not, I guess I'll have to live with it. :)

--James

I will address this with the new General Manager, James.

[IanHudson]

Sausagefest will be in attendance for the tournament, for what may possibly be the last time the entire ORIGINAL members will be playing together..........fred is going to rehab (and will most likely miss the october show), and lando is moving to europe to further pursue his career as a rockstar

[Rob Bob]

Sausagefest will be in attendance for the tournament, for what may possibly be the last time the entire ORIGINAL members will be playing together..........fred is going to rehab (and will most likely miss the october show), and lando is moving to europe to further pursue his career as a rockstar

Cool. It's a shame you're breaking up the band, but it'll be good to see your farewell gig. I'd pay real money to see you guys play "Round and Round." That song is so you.:cool:

[Kalerado28]

Sausagefest will be in attendance for the tournament, for what may possibly be the last time the entire ORIGINAL members will be playing together..........fred is going to rehab (and will most likely miss the october show), and lando is moving to europe to further pursue his career as a rockstar

Awww, man! Quite a shame indeed.
I don't know whether to laugh, applaud, or shed a tear... :confused:
I hope you guys place high in the tournament tomorrow night @ Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com)though.



On a tourney-related note, I am intrigued by this:

www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82523 (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82523)

Anybody wanna form a band with me (me on guitar or bass), and sign up, so we can take the gold??

[BYC]

The rain might have flooded my house, or else I'd been there. Another week...

[skysaw]

Hey all, just found this spot. I'm only about a 20 min. drive, so I plan on showing up sometime very soon. Unfortunately, my band Fruit Bat currently consists of only me and my wife, and she works Tuesday nights. :( Maybe I'll just show up and offer my questionable talent as a guitarist/bassist for any fill-in requests.

[Kalerado28]

Hey all, just found this spot. I'm only about a 20 min. drive, so I plan on showing up sometime very soon. Unfortunately, my band Fruit Bat currently consists of only me and my wife, and she works Tuesday nights. :( Maybe I'll just show up and offer my questionable talent as a guitarist/bassist for any fill-in requests.

We're a friendly bunch.
Fill-in bandmembers are always welcome @ Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com)!! :)

[destrukshawn]

us out of towners need to carpool down together. (meaning everywhere else in md)

[Phoenixavatar2]

Hey guys. I'm a new transplant from up in Philly. Any room for another player? Sounds like a fun time. I'm coming from MD too, Montgomery Village (Hi, Liger) but I think I'll be able to make it down a decent amount. 9:30 on Tuesdays, right?

[Liger_Trainer]

us out of towners need to carpool down together. (meaning everywhere else in md)
Yeah I agree, anyone coming from the Germantown area?

Kal - did you get a chance to talk to management about an earlier time?

[Phoenixavatar2]

Yeah I agree, anyone coming from the Germantown area?

Kal - did you get a chance to talk to management about an earlier time?

I want to check out the place first, but the week after, I'd be glad to do some carpooling with ya.

[skysaw]

We're a friendly bunch.
Fill-in bandmembers are always welcome @ Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com)!! :)

Thanks for the welcome!

What is the demand for fill-ins these days? If I come on down with my plastic fiddle, will people likely need/want me? I'm interested in both free-form and the band battles.

[Rob Bob]

RE: The Metric Brainstem Problem

OK, so the tourneys haven't been too competitive the last few months. What to do about that? I might suggest that a handicap be instituted in the future along the lines of, say, a 30% reduction in scores for the reigning champions, a 20% reduction for the runners-up, and a 10% reduction for the third-place band. This sort of thing might make the tourneys more competitive. I don't know if the numbers quoted are the right ones, but the idea might work. Comments?

[Liger_Trainer]

I have no problems with this. My main objective with going to RB Night is to have a good time. I could really care less about winning tournament night - although I do like to win :)

What about:
-Random removal of a member - like having to play a 3 person band for a song
-Playing at a lower difficulty - if the other band is on hard we play on medium. In theory this would be an advantage, but if the winner is determined by score it could be a handicap because it's much more difficult to get a high score if there aren't as many notes.

[destrukshawn]

well i'm in baltimore, but i'd be willing to rent a car or something.

granted i could always take the train down to whitlows (sadly it'd probably mean from reading here what 1 or 2 songs?) and then just hop it back up before the event ends.

[Kalerado28]

RE: The Metric Brainstem Problem

OK, so the tourneys haven't been too competitive the last few months. What to do about that?

I beg to differ. In my opinion, the Whitlow's tournaments have been very spirited and competition-oriented. What I see the "problem" being is that other "less logistically cognizant" bands don't capitalize on (OR are ignorant of) the benefits of simultaneous Overdrive engagement. Metric Brainstem pretty much had the 8X multiplier going strong for the majority of their songs.

Edit: The majority of Whitlow's frequenters aren't your typical hardcore RockBand-ers. But, on top of that, Metric Brainstem just plain ROCKS :D

Removal of Overdrive engagement (for multiplier purposes only, not "savior" purposes) would be a better tournament gameplay handicap in my opinion because bandmembers would then be forced to rely more on note-hitting accuracy to achieve points. In this capacity, I believe moderate contention would shore up against Metric Brainstem.

Is there any way to disengage Overdrive in this fashion on RB2?

[Rob Bob]

I beg to differ. In my opinion, the Whitlow's tournament have been very spirited and competition-oriented. What I see the "problem" being is that other "less logistically cognizant" bands don't capitalize on the benefits of engaging simultaneous Overdrive engagement. Metric Brainstem pretty much had the 8X multiplier going strong for the majority of the songs.

Well, OK, if that's the reason you want to go with (as opposed to, say, "Metric Brainstem just plain ROCKS" :D) then so be it. The bottom line remains. If Flip is going to spend his energy actively encouraging the crowd to root against the band, then I think a bit of the competitive spirit you refer to is diminished. But that's just me.

Whatever. Perhaps I'm getting a bit cocky. Perhaps a band will come in next month and just wipe the floor with us. Perhaps the gods of fate will have you select that one song I secretly dread during the first round and our band will fail out on medium. THAT would be something to see.:rolleyes:

[Kalerado28]

Well, OK, if that's the reason you want to go with (as opposed to, say, "Metric Brainstem just plain ROCKS" :D) then so be it.


I meant to add that part too, but I had to jump offline to make a 10:30pm deadline last night. See previous edit.


If Flip is going to spend his energy actively encouraging the crowd to root against the band, then I think a bit of the competitive spirit you refer to is diminished. But that's just me.

I fully agree. And for the record, I had no part in what Flip did and completely frown upon his impromptu actions as unsportsmanlike and dispiriting. But by then, the damage was done. I can only apologize on behalf of Whitlow's (http://www.whitlows.com) and see to it that it doesn't happen again... no matter how intoxicated one of our hosts happens to be.


Whatever. Perhaps I'm getting a bit cocky. Perhaps a band will come in next month and just wipe the floor with us. Perhaps the gods of fate will have you select that one song I secretly dread during the first round and our band will fail out on medium. THAT would be something to see.:rolleyes:

Highly unlikely because most of the hardcore Expert RockBand-ers that participate are in YOUR band, lol

[drhollen]

I absolutely welcome a challenge. I wish some team would come and give us competition. I have no problem loosing to a better team. A close competition would hone my skills better.

This is a team sport. I'm probably about the least versatile in my team so I'm always on guitar and sometimes on bass. We pick the lineup based on the song. Some songs are hard to drum and some are hard to sing and having people who can do a song good either way is a definate plus. Don't underestimate the bass guitar. It has the highest multiplier in the game @ 6X. Putting your weakest player on bass is a bad move. Knowing the songs and where to thow overdrive where there are a lot of notes and also where you and the rest of the band can maintain high multipliers is also great for scoring.

There have been guitarists at Whitlows that were about as good as me. Zechman actually has a higher score on guitar than me on Xbox Live for RB1 (There, I said it... My therapist would be happy I'm moving on...:rolleyes:). He and I work great together since he is better at some and I'm better at some. There was another guitarist this last week that beat my score on medium and hard in the tournament. There was a person in this thread that boasted of Gold Starring Green Grass & High Tides on guitar :eek: and 5-starring Won't Get Fooled Again on drums. At the Hard Times Cafe GH / RB night in Woodbridge ( http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=819833#post819833 ) there is a guitarist who I have NEVER beat :( and he can also 5-star drumming songs WHILE singing! If these people show up, with a competent team they play with, then that would be some great competition.

Dale

[Liger_Trainer]

Maybe going by percentage rather than score is the way to go? At least then it puts the focus on each performance and equalizes the "gamer factor" such as multipliers and squeezing that allow experienced gamers to rack up huge scores.

I can see how getting whipped by a hardcore team each week would start to seem lame to a more casual team.

As Dale said our team's strength lies in the fact that we can swap out members for different songs. I'm very far from being close to the best drummer. But I'm good compared to most. I can play guitar and bass pretty good and can sing most songs ok.

I believe most come out to have a good time and I think that has been the case. If we can tweak it a little to get more out of the event then that would be great!

[DikRodnum]

The main problem with RB as a tournament game is, in all fairness, it's not.

Granted, yes you do now have the BotB, but even those are more specific instrument-based battles rather than full band. When I come (the few times) I have just enjoyed playing with random people and "jammin'" out rather than playing to beat somebodies score who nearly does not play as much as I do.

I think that if you are going to do a comp for RB in a bar, big thing is crowd participation. I would maybe suggest that you have the scoring by done by the crowd. This allows bands who aren't that good to still have a chance against a more technical band. Have score be used only as a tie breaker.

Most of the people who come into Whitlow's are just local young people who go there purely to meet someone and have a drink. You are not going to find another "Metric Brainstem" anytime soon, but you will find plenty of "hodgepodge" bands who don't play that often or have never played. If you make those people 'feel good' about playing they would be more likely to come back as opposed to getting smashed by people who spend everyday playing.

Keep it casual, keep it fun, that's the way to do it.

[Kalerado28]

Maybe going by percentage rather than score is the way to go? At least then it puts the focus on each performance and equalizes the "gamer factor" such as multipliers and squeezing that allow experienced gamers to rack up huge scores.

Judging/ranking bands by percentage score instead of point score is how I wanted the tournaments to go. But when Flip came on-board, we butted heads on this issue right before the tournament started.

Inorder to judge based solely on technical note-hitting accuracy, my original scoring idea was for all 4 bandmembers' (of 1 band) percentages to be averaged to calculate one percentage score per band performance, since each bandmember plays on the exact same difficulty level.

How would you all feel about that method of scoring?

[Liger_Trainer]

How would you all feel about that method of scoring?
Fixed that for you :)

I think percentage is the only fair way that only reflects how well each person did. There are so many variables that make up the score.

Or- what about (x)% based on stars + (x)% based on fan reaction? I saw on one of the other threads that a location had a three part formula to determine "winners".

Something like this would definitely even things out for MBS. Other ripping awesomely, we probably aren't that entertaining to watch:rolleyes:

Any word on adjusting the start time? I gotta say - starting freeplay at ~10:15 and then not ending the tournament till ~1:00 sucks. I understand people have lives outside of this, but I think an earlier start would lessen the impact of a late start.

Also Kal, I'm not sure if you are getting the itch to play, but I'd be willing to do some MC'ing if you want to play every now and then.

[DikRodnum]

(*** this has nothing to do really with this thread but...***)

I would like to get everyone's GT from the area, and who play at Whitlows.
I realized (from another thread) that there are some people who play together that live in the MD/VA/DC area and I would like to join in some bands, for quickplay or maybe a BWT.

Mine is "Dikrodnum"(X360)


I play EXP Guitar/Bass and can drum/sing most songs on expert without to much chance of failing, lol.

[2dxzeus]

If the drum setup is straight, I should be able to bring my game on Tuesday. Got this earlier today.

http://photos-457.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v358/161/50/6232457/n6232457_39374796_2523.jpg

[Kalerado28]

I think percentage is the only fair way that only reflects how well each person did. There are so many variables that make up the score.

Or- what about (x)% based on stars + (x)% based on fan reaction? I saw on one of the other threads that a location had a three part formula to determine "winners".

Billy, Flip, and I have been through numerous scoring configurations since we've been doing this. Out of that trial-and-error period, I think the best method would be percentage averaging for each performance.


Any word on adjusting the start time? I gotta say - starting freeplay at ~10:15 and then not ending the tournament till ~1:00 sucks. I understand people have lives outside of this, but I think an earlier start would lessen the impact of a late start.

Here's the thing with that.
Most Tuesdays, Billy, Flip, and I are just getting off work and racing to get to Whitlow's by 9pm. I get off work at 6pm most days and Flip gets off at 7pm, so sometimes it's impossible for us to get there before 9pm.
Starting freeplay late was the latest we had ever started. And that was due to unfortunate audio technical difficulties. I kept pushing to move along freeplay and tourney play, but Billy and Flip were kind of lax that night (i.e., smoke breaks, beer breaks, etc.)


Also Kal, I'm not sure if you are getting the itch to play, but I'd be willing to do some MC'ing if you want to play every now and then.

Thanks, that's very considerate of you. Actually, you may just get your chance to be a full host this Tuesday! ;)

Heads-up:
As of right now, I won't be co-hosting RockBand Night @ Whitlow's this coming Tuesday, 10/7/08 nor Tuesday, 10/14/08, due to a recent change in my day-job work schedule. :(
Sorry, guys. At least I got to see my Miller Lite Girls, Carollee and Drunky Brewster, before my hiatus started. I hope you guys still have fun without me!

[Liger_Trainer]

I would like to get everyone's GT from the area, and who play at Whitlows.
Mine is <<huffhouse>> everyone else feel free to add me too:)

[Phoenixavatar2]

Mine is <<huffhouse>> everyone else feel free to add me too:)

Mine's Avatar Ko, but I won't have the game until the bundle comes out. Feel free to add me now and I'll do the same. I'm only sort of rusty, it's hard trying to keep up your skill set when you're stalking the GT:A setups at Best Buy. Either way, I plan to spend a few hours after work the Friday after next scouring stores looking for early releases.

[jeccaneko]

I would like to get everyone's GT from the area, and who play at Whitlows.
I realized (from another thread) that there are some people who play together that live in the MD/VA/DC area and I would like to join in some bands, for quickplay or maybe a BWT.


I haven't been able to get to Whitlow's because it's over an hour drive from me (I'm in Catonsville - it's near Baltimore City) but I'm in the area. I play expert vox/expert guitar/expert bass/medium-hard drums (still learning this).

GT is NyankomimiMode

There's a tournament at Games and Stuff in Glen Burnie, MD this weekend. If anybody from this thread comes, I'll see you there. Look for the girl in the red hat that will have at least one Rock Band instrument pin on it. I usually put the pin of what I'm about to play live on it. :)

[destrukshawn]

i was a slacker and opted for the fells point festival instead of the tourney (sorry guys) but from what i'm hearing it sounds like i didn't miss much.

i know where catonsville is, another tourney in gb this weekend

awesome

[skysaw]

I'm considering coming to Whitlows tomorrow, but we'll see how much energy I have. If I do come, I'll be looking to fill in for anyone who needs another band member. I play guitar and bass on expert (just moved up from hard). I still miss a lot of notes, but generally make it through most songs ok. I like to ham it up a bit on stage, and have sometimes been known to miss a note or two when breaking out a Townsend-bowling-style strum. :D

I'm at my best at exactly two beers in.

If any band is planning on being there with a specific need for a guitar or bass fill-in, let me know. I'm much more likely to show up if I know I'll be needed.

Feel free to add me to your friends list: "Skysaw Jr"

[destrukshawn]

ah my gt is destrukshawn

i've yet to make it down to whitlows. i have friends who live in dc maybe i can find a floor or a couch so i dont' have to trek back to baltimore so late.

[Phoenixavatar2]

I like to ham it up a bit on stage, and have sometimes been known to miss a note or two when breaking out a Townsend-bowling-style strum. :D

I'm at my best at exactly two beers in.


Oh, I fully intend to bust that out at a certain point in "Up in Arms" as soon as TCATS comes out. If you know the song, you know what I'm talking about :)

[mchodge13]

Hey Liger, Im located in Darnestown...I cant make Whitlows on Tuesdays but do you know of anything in our area on weekends?

[Liger_Trainer]

Hey Liger, Im located in Darnestown...I cant make Whitlows on Tuesdays but do you know of anything in our area on weekends?

Short answer - no. I wish there was...:(

[Phoenixavatar2]

Hey Liger, Im located in Darnestown...I cant make Whitlows on Tuesdays but do you know of anything in our area on weekends?

Maybe the three of us should get together sometime since we're all within five miles of each other.

[mchodge13]

Maybe the three of us should get together sometime since we're all within five miles of each other.

Phoenix, where are you located? I play on PS3, how about you two? I won't have much time to play in the next two months(only a weekend here or there) but I'm up for trying to put something together at some point.

[Phoenixavatar2]

Phoenix, where are you located? I play on PS3, how about you two? I won't have much time to play in the next two months(only a weekend here or there) but I'm up for trying to put something together at some point.

Montgomery Village. I have a 360, but I won't have a game until the SE comes out in a few weeks. I trained up on GH3 on the Wii but the lack of DLC and new games made me sell it for a 360.

[Rob Bob]

Back to the MBS issue...

I don't like the idea of using percentages. As Dale mentioned, Rock Band is a team game. Percentages, no matter how used, only reflect a 4-way solitaire effort. The bands that do well with points and stars do so because the cooperate and combine to hit good collective grooves. Besides, the percentage figure shown is not a completely accurate measure of how closely a player matched the music: hitting too many notes properly reduces your score (by denying multipliers) but does not reduce your percentage ranking.

The idea of having the crowd's response influence the outcome is intriguing, but possibly not workable. The crowd is a bit small to prevent a popularity contest from being overwhelmed by a vocal minority, and any means of actually measuring a crowd's response would be highly subjective anyway.

By the way, I think that during the final round any and all of the band members ought to be able to opt to play at a lower level. A band that hits 98% of the notes on hard and 90% on expert might well score more points on hard.

[Liger_Trainer]

Montgomery Village. I have a 360, but I won't have a game until the SE comes out in a few weeks. I trained up on GH3 on the Wii but the lack of DLC and new games made me sell it for a 360.
I live behind the intersection of 355 and 118 in Germantown. I'm on 360 - maybe we can do a thing at my house one day? PM me if you are nearby and interested. :)

[Kalerado28]

I don't like the idea of using percentages. As Dale mentioned, Rock Band is a team game. Percentages, no matter how used, only reflect a 4-way solitaire effort. The bands that do well with points and stars do so because the cooperate and combine to hit good collective grooves. Besides, the percentage figure shown is not a completely accurate measure of how closely a player matched the music: hitting too many notes properly reduces your score (by denying multipliers) but does not reduce your percentage ranking.

I disagree. Using individual percentage scores is indeed "solitary"; however, when you average each bandmember's percentage into a one "collective" percentage score, you potentially scale up "weakest link" and/or newbie players' scores with the high-scoring percentages of their hardcore/Expert bandmate counterparts. This percentage averaging more evenly distributes the contribution of each performer (25%) to their band's final percent score, without the variable artifacts of overdrive.

I plan on implementing this scoring method soon to, at least, try it out as an alternative and see how it goes.


The idea of having the crowd's response influence the outcome is intriguing, but possibly not workable.

I agree.


By the way, I think that during the final round any and all of the band members ought to be able to opt to play at a lower level. A band that hits 98% of the notes on hard and 90% on expert might well score more points on hard.

I have always wanted to implement this. Or at least have an agreement where it's mandatory for only 2 bandmembers in a given band to play on Expert difficulty.

[jeccaneko]

I have always wanted to implement this. Or at least have an agreement where it's mandatory for only 2 bandmembers in a given band to play on Expert difficulty.

Does anybody need to be on expert?

One thing I think EB Games did right at their tournament this past weekend is they allowed any difficulty. But the higher the difficulties played, you got more points toward your technical score. So that way you could have all expert bands, or a medium-hard mix, or whatever else people want to do.

Granted, EB's tournament was open to everyone and we did have some under 18 kids playing. You wouldn't have that so much since you're playing at Whitlow's. But I'm sure you still have adults that play at less than expert that want to have fun in the tournament.

Just a thought anyway!

[skysaw]

Another vote for allowing total score to count. I think it should be considered a worthwhile goal to learn the best times to implement overdrive as well as cultivate some good whammying (if that wasn't already a word, it is now!)

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind bands getting style points for dress and on-stage attitude. Not sure how that would work, but if you want to keep the crowd engaged, I think it would go a long way.

[BYC]

Score > %. That's all that should matter. If people play on a lower difficulty, they'll less opportunities to score. If people play on expert, they'll have the opportunity to score more, and most of the time, even the lower % exceed the less points one would receive on hard or lesser difficulties.

Not to mention this is easy to figure out as opposed to a complicated system.

[jeccaneko]

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind bands getting style points for dress and on-stage attitude. Not sure how that would work, but if you want to keep the crowd engaged, I think it would go a long way.

If you do that, please please please figure out a rubric beforehand. That was my main problem with the EB Games tourney judging. The dress and on-stage attitude stuff was just arbitrary numbers given by the judges. They didn't have anything to base the numbers on and gave inconsistent scores for different bands because of this.

These inconsistent numbers are probably the largest reason my band didn't make it into the final 4 even though we were the highest scoring band.

[destrukshawn]

so anyone have details on next weekend yet?

[BYC]

so anyone have details on next weekend yet?
Games and Stuff tournament? I'm probably gonna be there. I'm going with the assumption that the rules will still be unclear and people will be angry afterwards with the sliding/changing rules as the tournament proceeds.

[jeccaneko]

Games and Stuff tournament? I'm probably gonna be there. I'm going with the assumption that the rules will still be unclear and people will be angry afterwards with the sliding/changing rules as the tournament proceeds.

Sometime this week I'll stop by there after work to ask about the details. It's only about a 15 minute drive from where I work. Feeling way too out of it today... maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

I decided that I don't care about the tournament anymore. I'm just going to play Rock Band and meet some other people who play Rock Band in the area. If I manage to be able to do well, great. If not, who cares.

[Zechman]

I kind of think of it as 'patriotic' similar to Obama's "taxing the upper crust" agenda, lol.
Whether or not I'm a member of the "upper crust", I see nothing "patriotic" about punishing someone who's done nothing wrong.
But I digress....

drhollen, Rob Bob and I played together this weekend and had a good talk about what we could do about the Whitlow's tournament. Here's where I stand:
- It's not fun for others to feel like they have no chance of winning.
- It's not fun for others to have to worry about being matched up against us in the first round (which people have voiced).
- It's not fun for me to win month after month.
- I'd rather see the $50 card go towards Whitlow's getting an XBox with a hard drive and stocking up on DLC--or at least buying a copy of RB2--than free food for me.
- I don't think it's right to artificially penalize any band to make things more equal, because it really doesn't. Putting MBS at a disadvantage only dilutes the victory when someone does beat us, or makes us look like jack-holes if we win anyway.
- Speaking of being a jack-hole, while I'm proud of our four-player gold-star performance at the end (which was a Whitlow's first!), I take no pleasure in crushing someone with it who picked the song and then did a four-star performance.

The best idea I have is to use the "Iron Chef" model. MBS doesn't compete but the winner gets a shot to try to beat us. The day someone beats us (and it certainly can happen--we're not THAT good) it'll be a big deal for them.

Heck, I might even go the "Ben Stein" route and put up $50 of my own for the band that beats us. THAT should liven things up.

But the down-side of us not competing is that we're sitting there and not playing. Playing is fun and it's why we come. But if my fun is disproportionately ruining other people's enjoyment, I'm willing to be "patriotic" about it and sit.

--Dwayne

[Zechman]

There have been guitarists at Whitlows that were about as good as me. Zechman actually has a higher score on guitar than me on Xbox Live for RB1 . . . .

Last time I checked, my guitar career score was higher on RB2 also.

Just saying . . . . :cool:

--Dwayne

[Liger_Trainer]

Last time I checked, my guitar career score was higher on RB2 also.

Just saying . . . . :cool:

--Dwayne
Pwned (http://personales.ya.com/darkgotcha/blog/270907/pwned-facekick.jpg)

On a serious note, I ageee nearly 99% with Dwayne (and I guess Rob). "Fixing" the rules doesn't benefit anyone. I kinda like the idea of the winner taking down the reigning champ. As far as something for us to do during the tournament, what about us being "intermission" entertainment?

And I seriously agree with Whitlow's putting money to their own DLC and copy of RB2. If Dwayne doesn't/can't show, we are back to RB1 and ~0 DLC. I guess I could always bring my copy of the game, but my Xbox is tucked away and not easy to remove.

[MiltoniusPrime]

If I can ever find a Tuesday night when I'm free, I'd love to stop by and check out the competition. Part of me would want to stick with singing, since there's a lack of singers, but part of me wants to show off on drums. And I have no idea how far I'd be traveling from Glen Burnie.

[hysterisch]

so anyone have details on next weekend yet?

For the Games and Stuff tournament (if you really want to even call it that) it's going to be pretty loose in terms of rules and stuff.

1) Every registered person that is there gets to write down a song from the RB2 disc that they would like to be played (I probably won't have my 360 or any DLC unless someone wants to bring theirs - Milt I'm looking at you wink wink). One song will be chosen at random. Everyone plays the same song and the highest 2 scores of the night win.

2) Want to use your own instruments - go for it. Just remember that space is limited so there won't really be a spot to put your stuff when not playing. The same instruments from last Saturday will be there for use, so bringing your own is not necessary.

3) Band makeup doesn't matter, but if you get 4 people together, you're going to get a higher score. Doesn't matter who plays in what band, nor how many bands they play in. If someone plays in the top 2 bands though, they will only be eligible for the 1st place prize (unless the prize person decides otherwise. Won't know until Saturday night when I get the chance to talk to him.)

4) Try as many times as you like, doesn't matter one bit to me if you play once or 100 times. If you're a singer and the band playing needs one, ask if you can join. You band need a guitarist? Ask the audience if anyone wants to fill in. Mingle with other area players and rock out.

5) Want to play a different song or just show off in general? As long as no one is waiting to get a score on board, feel free to just jam out (obviously it won't count towards the top scores.)
This is going to be more about just getting together and playing with random people, and prizes just happen to be involved. No judges or grading. Just hanging out and having a good time.

[Phoenixavatar2]

Just wanted to thank everyone for an awesome time last night, especially Dale and Rob for letting me guest star in Metric Brainstem. I'm already looking forward to next Tuesday.

Oh, and FYI, I'm switching out my forum account to match my XBL account. I always go by Avatar online anyways. Going to be resending the friend invites I've gotten.

[Avatar_Ko]

Oh, and FYI, I'm switching out my forum account to match my XBL account. I always go by Avatar online anyways. Going to be resending the friend invites I've gotten.

All done. (tada)

[jeccaneko]

Sweet. Games and Stuff tourney sounds fun. Ima playing. And I will happily play any instrument for any band that doesn't have a full band. Don't even gotta split prize with me. I just wanna have fun.

I might bring my Fender P-Bass. I'm not super good with it yet because it's an entirely different way of playing, but I need more of an excuse to use it. I've been mostly doing vocals and drums at home lately.

[BYC]

Sweet. Games and Stuff tourney sounds fun. Ima playing. And I will happily play any instrument for any band that doesn't have a full band. Don't even gotta split prize with me. I just wanna have fun.

I might bring my Fender P-Bass. I'm not super good with it yet because it's an entirely different way of playing, but I need more of an excuse to use it. I've been mostly doing vocals and drums at home lately.
I can finger pick certain songs, but it's not a habit yet, although I upstrum unless the song is really fast or long.

[destrukshawn]

so there's a sign up for the games n stuff tourney? i'll probably just come down but not with a band but it will be nice to meet people from live and the forums.

[Avatar_Ko]

so there's a sign up for the games n stuff tourney? i'll probably just come down but not with a band but it will be nice to meet people from live and the forums.

I was paging back through the thread but I didn't see any info on this. Where is it and when?

[destrukshawn]

This Saturday, games n stuff in glen burnie, md.

[Avatar_Ko]

This Saturday, games n stuff in glen burnie, md.

Nevermind then, won't be around on Saturday.

[drhollen]

Last time I checked, my guitar career score was higher on RB2 also.

Just saying . . . . :cool:

--Dwayne

Shh, you weren't suposed to tell.

[jeccaneko]

so there's a sign up for the games n stuff tourney? i'll probably just come down but not with a band but it will be nice to meet people from live and the forums.

I thought signup wasn't until 5pm, day of. I haven't gotten the chance to go over there yet so I don't know. I'll ask someone who will probably know tonight if he doesn't reply to this thread first.

[Liger_Trainer]

Hey - couldn't make it to Whitlow's last Tuesday. I'm sharing visitation of my daughter and sometimes you have to set priorities right? :)

I definitely plan on being there this Tuesday coming up though.

[hysterisch]

I thought signup wasn't until 5pm, day of. I haven't gotten the chance to go over there yet so I don't know. I'll ask someone who will probably know tonight if he doesn't reply to this thread first.

You can sign up by sending an email to events@lastactiongamer.com or show up at 5 and register then. As far as I know, people who register through email won't get any type of reminder or anything, but I'm not sure (I know some people have signed up that way, but that's about it)

Every person playing needs to register, but if you register via email, you can put everyone into a single e-mail. People not coming in bands are more than welcome. Like I said earlier, it's pretty much going to be a big jam session with a couple prizes involved. Depending on time, I'm trying to come up with some "challenges" for a couple little freebies - nothing special, just free. It might be stuff like first person to 100% a certain song on a particular instrument, or FC a solo, beat a particular drum fill at 200 bpm and stuff like that.

[jeccaneko]

Yeah, I had meant you as the person I was going to check with.

Thanks for the heads up. I sent an email.

I will say that I just threw some names down for instruments, because once again I have no idea who will show up or fill out my band. Only people that are guaranteed for Lunar Eclipse are me and Aaron (guy who played drums last weekend). A friend of Aaron's might show up and we also might have random people here fill out our band if they want to.

Apparently I'm not too good at pulling together a band in advance. We're so random!

[hysterisch]

Yeah, I had meant you as the person I was going to check with.

Thanks for the heads up. I sent an email.


I'm actually not at my store today, and I honestly don't think anyone there but me knows what's going on with this one (besides the when and where aspects) I should really fill them in on it hehe. I had been so busy with last weeks things (and other stuff)that this one crept up on me.

[BYC]

I know the store quite well. I used to be a regular customer in M:tG, Heroclix, and WWE Rawl Deal. I also use to run the WWE Raw Deal tournaments a few years ago. Ed the store owner is a cool dude though I have not been a regular there in 2+ years. I've also acted as a liaison from Rook Steel Storage as the company was founded by a friend.

I suspect Ed might be looking to expand the business into cyber cafe/PC arcade area, which he previously tried when the store was moved to the current location from less than a block away. Lastactiongamer running this is probably a trial run to see how much interest can be gauged.

I plan to show up around the start time and sign-up. I don't have a band. I am an excellent RB singer though my voice might not agree with human ears. My drumming is expert level stuck at tier 7/8 from RB (Dead on Arrival, Don't Fear the Reaper, Foreplay/Longtime, Next to You, etc), though I can score 94s+ on Ride the Lightning, And Justice for All, all 3 Disturbed DLC. I have very little experience in RB2 drums since my new job really prevents me from playing it on a consistent basis.

My expectations are people showing to play, prizes/rewards isn't even something I am counting on. Hopefully the people running the event have experience in tournament organization as well as Rock Band experience.

[jeccaneko]

I plan to show up around the start time and sign-up. I don't have a band.

You're welcome to sing with us again if you want to.

Since we're allowed to float around I'll probably see if other bands want me to fill out their band for them, so I can get more game time and have fun with more people.

[Zechman]

FYI for the Whitlow's crew:

It is highly unlikely that I will be there tonight, as today is my anniversary, and my weekly "guys night out" is not exactly the most appropriate way to spend the evening....

Also, I will definitely not be there on the 28th (two weeks from today) for the monthly tournament, as I'll be away on vacation.

--Dwayne

[Liger_Trainer]

Ummmm. I think somebody needs to reassess their priorities... I kid! I kid! That's awesome - congrats on the anniversary. And vacation coming up? Double awesome. :)

So - I guess I can bring my RB2 game and we can just use the unlock all songs code. Unless someone else can bring their system and game. Dale?

If it comes down to it, I probably could bring my system too, but it's a real PITA to unplug and disconnect.

[Avatar_Ko]

*sigh* I'd offer to bring my console (still no games) but my little bro has it. I will have it for next week if needed, with RB2, RB1 imported and a smattering of DLC.

[Zechman]

For the record, it's a PITA for me to unplug and disconnect, too.

It's just that it's worse to be limited to just the original 58 RB1 songs when I'm used to having over 350 to choose from.

I guess I'm a DLC snob.:p

--Dwayne

[Avatar_Ko]

Hey Kal, mind if you post on here if it's canceled next time? Just got back from wasting about 8 bucks in gas driving down and back.

Hey Liger, I'm pretty Rock Band deprived at this point. You mentioned getting together and playing sometime, you still game?

[Liger_Trainer]

Hey Kal, mind if you post on here if it's canceled next time? Just got back from wasting about 8 bucks in gas driving down and back.

Hey Liger, I'm pretty Rock Band deprived at this point. You mentioned getting together and playing sometime, you still game?
Just walked in the door from Whitlow's myself. Luckily no one heard me outside when I read the sign about "technical difficulties". I brought my Xbox and everything. I also haven't eaten yet because I was planning to eat there. I didn't though to show them the financial impact of not having RB night.:mad:

@Avatar_Ko - Hell yeah I'm down for getting together. I can't tomorrow night, but I'm pretty open this week. Sent you a PM.:cool:

[Rob Bob]

FYI for the Whitlow's crew:

Also, I will definitely not be there on the 28th (two weeks from today) for the monthly tournament, as I'll be away on vacation.

--Dwayne

Uh oh. That doesn't bode well for Metric Brainstem's chances of defending its title. As a matter of fact, I believe that without Dwayne we probably shouldn't compete using that name. Perhaps we'll play under the name "Panic Overdrive" this month...

[Liger_Trainer]

How about "Goldie Wilson for Mayor"? :)

[drhollen]

Yeah, I just wasted a 50+ mile round trip too last night. I new Kal and Dwayne weren't coming, but only had Rob's phone number so left him a message to stay home.

We need to communicate this better since a number of people live far away. We should exchange phone numbers with the regulars.

I tend to get there somewhat earlier than most (usually around 8:45) for dinner. I could call to try to save at least a portion of the trip for some.

Dale

[drhollen]

I'm also planning on going to Hard Times Cafe tonight for RB2 in Woodbridge. They have a pretty good setup, better in some ways than Whitlows.

Ever since RB2 came out, they have been spending more time on that than GH3 and no tournaments, so it is GH3 from 9:00 to maybe 10:00 - 10:30 and then RB2 for rest of night.

I've been liking their food better than Whitlows too recently. Now if I could only have a personal bubble of non-smoke-filled air around me, that would be awesome.

Anybody up for Hard Times tonight? Rob? DikRodnum? Dwayne? Anybody else who has to drive farther and wants to try it?

Dale

[Avatar_Ko]

I'm also planning on going to Hard Times Cafe tonight for RB2 in Woodbridge. They have a pretty good setup, better in some ways than Whitlows.

Ever since RB2 came out, they have been spending more time on that than GH3 and no tournaments, so it is GH3 from 9:00 to maybe 10:00 - 10:30 and then RB2 for rest of night.

I've been liking their food better than Whitlows too recently. Now if I could only have a personal bubble of non-smoke-filled air around me, that would be awesome.

Anybody up for Hard Times tonight? Rob? DikRodnum? Dwayne? Anybody else who has to drive farther and wants to try it?

Dale

I'd love to but google says it's a good 45 miles for me either way. Bit out of my reach for a weekday.

[Liger_Trainer]

I'd love to but google says it's a good 45 miles for me either way. Bit out of my reach for a weekday.
Same here. I love playing, but way too late for a work night.

Dale, hate the smoke too. I hope VA gets with the times and implements a smoking ban like MD and DC.

I think changing numbers is a good idea. I'm not sure who Whitlow's usually notifies and I'm wondering what the issue was last night.

[Avatar_Ko]

Same here. I love playing, but way too late for a work night.

Dale, hate the smoke too. I hope VA gets with the times and implements a smoking ban like MD and DC.

I think changing numbers is a good idea. I'm not sure who Whitlow's usually notifies and I'm wondering what the issue was last night.

Well probably the fact that we were without Kal and the regular console. They put the sign up around 9:10 too so they decided early. I do think exchanging numbers is a good idea.

Oh, and banning smoking would be awesome too.

[Liger_Trainer]

Well they have an Xbox and RB1 game. They should have still went ahead with that instead of saying well, no RB2 tonight you all are SOL.

Whatever. What's done is done right?

[sssrcr85]

Has anybody been able to get a PS3 copy early? Or even the 360 bundle?

[Avatar_Ko]

Has anybody been able to get a PS3 copy early? Or even the 360 bundle?

I wouldn't know, I gave up last Sunday when two Wal-Marts (in Philly) turned me down despite having it in stock and my little bro begged me to borrow my console for Burnout.

[2dxzeus]

So what happened last night at Whitlow's?

People showed up and there was no rock band night?

What is the atmosphere like in Woodbridge? I really don't like that city, but my girlfriend lives there, so I could grab her and show up.

[Avatar_Ko]

So what happened last night at Whitlow's?

People showed up and there was no rock band night?

This, pretty much.

[drhollen]

What is the atmosphere like in Woodbridge? I really don't like that city, but my girlfriend lives there, so I could grab her and show up.

Check out this thread ( http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=819833#post819833 ) for info on The Hard Times Cafe in Woodbridge Guitar Hero / Rock Band night on Wednesdays.

I just got back from it tonight. It was a pretty good night. Not too crowded, so I got to play about 12 songs tonight. Things seem to move along faster and they start a bit earlier and end a bit later.

It is more of a pool-hall type bar than Whitlows. Whitlows is more of a yuppie bar.

There are things about it that make it better than Whitlows and there are aspects that are worse, but if you are in the area, try it out.

Dale

[Kalerado28]

Hey Kal, mind if you post on here if it's canceled next time? Just got back from wasting about 8 bucks in gas driving down and back.

Avatar,
I did post that I wasn't going to be in attendance at the Whitlow's 10/7 & 10/14 RB events:
rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1386784&postcount=130 (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1386784&postcount=130)
Fortunately, I just so happened to be able to make it to the 10/7 event at the last minute...

I also informed Billy (the event coordinator) at last Tuesday's event that I would not be in attendance on 10/14.
I had also talked to Billy on the morning of 10/14; however, Billy did NOT inform me that RB Night would be cancelled on 10/14 for whatever reason, nor did he give me any indication that it would be. So, I had no way of knowing (or relaying to anyone) that the 10/14 RB Night would not be taking place.

Sorry for your inconvenience, but even if I did know about the cancellation, I (as a unofficial, contracted employee of Whitlow's) have no OFFICIAL means of getting that word out. And when I say "official," I am referring to the whitlows.com (http://www.whitlows.com) website. Whenever I do receive information about the RB Night, I am usually pretty good about "unofficially" informing Whitlow's "regulars" by posting the pertinent information 1) on this forum thread and 2) via message on XBoxLIVE. If you'd like to be added to this DC/MD/VA RockBand mailing/notification list, send me your email address (where you'd like the notification to be sent) and your gamertag (preferably XBoxLIVE) to RockBandDC@yahoo.com


FYI for the Whitlow's crew:

It is highly unlikely that I will be there tonight, as today is my anniversary, and my weekly "guys night out" is not exactly the most appropriate way to spend the evening....

Also, I will definitely not be there on the 28th (two weeks from today) for the monthly tournament, as I'll be away on vacation.

Hmmmm, OK.
I guess we'll let you have a non- RockBand-zombie life for this month, Dwayne. :rolleyes:


Dale, hate the smoke too. I hope VA gets with the times and implements a smoking ban like MD and DC.

I think exchanging numbers is a good idea. I'm not sure who Whitlow's usually notifies and I'm wondering what the issue was last night.

I hate the smoke too, but getting a smoking ban passed in VA is highly unlikely just because it's a commonwealth.
Whitlow's management usually notifies Billy if there is a problem/cancellation with a particular RB Night. Billy, in turn, trickles the info down to me and Flip. After that, if I didn't pass on the info to you all in the RB community, then the info wouldn't get passed on.

I hope this clears up a few things.
For future reference, I suggest calling Whitlow's on whatever night you are coming (before you leave the house, etc.), ask to speak to the manager on duty, and ask that manager if RB Night will be taking place for that night.

"Technical difficulties" sounds like a load-of-padooky excuse by management to cover-up the fact that I wasn't coming. But RB Night has gone on without me before, so I will get to the bottom of what really happened.

[Avatar_Ko]

It's not that big of a deal, I was just looking forward to it is all and it is about a half hour's drive. I'll get you my email and gamertag soon.

[Liger_Trainer]

...RB Night has gone on without me before, so I will get to the bottom of what really happened.
Thanks Kal. I suspect the same thing you do,but maybe there realy was a problem.:rolleyes:

I guess the idea about calling before heading out is the best solution.

[IanHudson]

so the newly tweaked SausageFest is ready to rock, Dutch (our bassist) is gone and replaced with a guy with 100% more talent. And the 28th show will be Lando's (our drummer) last show before he moves to europe. Im going out on a limb and saying that if we dont win the next tourney, alcohol has played a HUGE factor.

GT - CheesusxCrust


and these "costume" rumors about SausageFest are ridiculous.....what kind of grown man would wear a "costume" to a bar in Clarendon?

[Rob Bob]

so the newly tweaked SausageFest is ready to rock, Dutch (our bassist) is gone and replaced with a guy with 100% more talent.

Hmm. So when you all take the prize this month, will it be because your bassist got so much better (does your old bassist read this thread?!) or because ours will be sunning himself on some beach somewhere (or was that backpacking in some forest somewhere, I forget which). In any case, I look forward to the reunion gig.

[Zechman]

For the record, there will be a beach, a lake, a few mountains, a castle, a monorail, and a mouse. Hopefully no hurricanes.

And without me it won't be the full lineup, so it won't be "Metric Brainstem" that you'll be competing against. Sorry. I don't know what name they'll use.

But I'm up for some score duels when I get back, just in case anyone's thinking that 100% more talent will be enough . . . . :p

--Dwayne

[BYC]

Does anybody here have the ION drum set? I'm starting to move towards that direction as I discovered some weird cross-talk issues with my RB drums on RB2 that I can't confirm if it's cross-talk or just lots of shaking on uneven surface that's causing it.

My green sometimes hits when I hit blue. Never did this before in RB. I just noticed it yesterday at my friend's basement where the surface is uneven but it had never occurred there as well.

If somebody has an ION, I really like to try and arrange a time either at Whitlow's or another place where I can test it.

[Avatar_Ko]

Does anybody here have the ION drum set? I'm starting to move towards that direction as I discovered some weird cross-talk issues with my RB drums on RB2 that I can't confirm if it's cross-talk or just lots of shaking on uneven surface that's causing it.

My green sometimes hits when I hit blue. Never did this before in RB. I just noticed it yesterday at my friend's basement where the surface is uneven but it had never occurred there as well.

If somebody has an ION, I really like to try and arrange a time either at Whitlow's or another place where I can test it.

Ah that sucks. I just got my RB2 kit yesterday and I've got major cross-talk. Blue tends to go off whenever I hit red/yellow. Keeps killing my OD phrases. Granted I'm still on easy but it's still annoying. RMA's already in, but it'll be a week or so they said.

[Liger_Trainer]

Guys, there have been some threads about this. The issue is not a defect. The sensor on the yellow pad needs to be tightened. I had the same issue with my RB2 kit and this completely fixed the problem. Tim, if you need help, bring your pads over and I can fix it in about 5 minutes.

[Avatar_Ko]

Guys, there have been some threads about this. The issue is not a defect. The sensor on the yellow pad needs to be tightened. I had the same issue with my RB2 kit and this completely fixed the problem. Tim, if you need help, bring your pads over and I can fix it in about 5 minutes.

Oh, I know, but my d-pad is busted too. The right direction doesn't register at all and the others barely do. It's also that I want to make them pay for the replacement. Trying to help get the idea that they should get it right the first time and all. They're still playable and I'm doing the express RMA so they'll send me new pads and I'll stick the old ones in the box to return them.

[2dxzeus]

Anyone looking for a game tonight? I'm on as iidxzeus

[IanHudson]

Hmm. So when you all take the prize this month, will it be because your bassist got so much better (does your old bassist read this thread?!) or because ours will be sunning himself on some beach somewhere (or was that backpacking in some forest somewhere, I forget which). In any case, I look forward to the reunion gig.

haha nah our old bassist doesnt read/post on here but i let him know on a daily basis how awful I think he is at rock band(2) it's not feelings we've been hiding.

all the members did however go out and buy actual costumes for this coming show, because this will no doubt be the last SAUSAGEFEST show of this year due to myself and the lead singer being out of town in November, our drummer's upcoming move, and the search for a new suitable drummer to pursue, my only regret is that our last show of the year will not be with MBS.

regardless my costume is awesome, and will no doubt be the best thing whitlows has ever seen

[Avatar_Ko]

Finally got around to sending you my info, Kal. Looking forward to tonight. I'll bring my new RB2 guitar if anyone wants to try it out.

Hey Metric Brainstem, hope you guys don't mind if I tag along again.

[Zechman]

In fact, I'm looking forward to meeting you tonight, A_K.

And if the band that is sometimes known a Sausage Fest can all be there tonight, MBS will be happy answer your challenge! :cool:

--Dwayne

[Avatar_Ko]

In fact, I'm looking forward to meeting you tonight, A_K.

And if the band that is sometimes known a Sausage Fest can all be there tonight, MBS will be happy answer your challenge! :cool:

--Dwayne

Lol It's Tim. Very much looking forward to tonight.

[Kalerado28]

Last night was great, you Whitlow's junkies!
Thanks for coming out to support the event everybody!

I don't know if anybody noticed, but Whitlow's management is in the process of upgrading their audio-visual equipment yet again!! :D

Since I'm not an official member of the Whitlow's staff, I'm not privy to giving away any clues *COUGH*huge projection*COUGH* of what these upgrades will be.
So you guys will just have to wait until October 28th to find out what they are! :p

[Avatar_Ko]

I'm just glad I played Everlong on Bass and not Guitar. It just came up at the end of a four song set and I failed out. Really pissed me off too because the three leading up to it are terrible, not looking forward to playing that set again, but I at least went to practice mode and managed to get through it so I should be fine next time.

Oh, and Dale, I decided to try out my drumset again and I think my cross-talk problem fixed itself. The RMA should show up tomorrow (according to UPS) so either way I should have a good, working RB2 set for next Tuesday.

[Liger_Trainer]

Last night was great, you Whitlow's junkies!
Thanks for coming out to support the event everybody!
Welcome back from Ban-nation :)

You must have missed it when Flip was making the announcement last night. He pointed out the projector and speaker placement. Our table inquiry was how is the band going to be set up. Is the band going to be on stage with the TV on the ground and the game projected behind the band? Otherwise, the band would have to be FAR away from the projected screen and would have their backs completely facing the audience.

I'm glad Whitlow's is upgrading - I'm wondering how much of it is because of Rockband:confused:

Also, we need to plan ahead and figure out who is bringing their system for next Tuesday - since Dwayne is gonna be screwing off somewhere:D

[Avatar_Ko]

Welcome back from Ban-nation :)

You must have missed it when Flip was making the announcement last night. He pointed out the projector and speaker placement. Our table inquiry was how is the band going to be set up. Is the band going to be on stage with the TV on the ground and the game projected behind the band? Otherwise, the band would have to be FAR away from the projected screen and would have their backs completely facing the audience.

I'm glad Whitlow's is upgrading - I'm wondering how much of it is because of Rockband:confused:

Also, we need to plan ahead and figure out who is bringing their system for next Tuesday - since Dwayne is gonna be screwing off somewhere:D

Dale mentioned that someone would, I can't remember if it was him or Rob. And mine's always available.

[Nissan288]

hey, i just got wind of this thread a short while ago...how many board regulars go to witlow's and hard times? i might be interested in coming but i wouldn't have a band to bring with me....i could stand in for whoever...

[Zechman]

Our table inquiry was how is the band going to be set up. Is the band going to be on stage with the TV on the ground and the game projected behind the band? Otherwise, the band would have to be FAR away from the projected screen and would have their backs completely facing the audience.

I was chatting with Flip, Billy, and the A/V guy at the end, and they basically said that the band would be down on the floor (stealing some space where the tables are) with the screen above and behind them. There would be something in front of the band for them to look at, but it wasn't clear if that would be the TV they have now (I hope not!) or something new.

If the ceiling were higher then the band could be on stage with the screen extended down, but ya work with what ya got....

--Dwayne

[Liger_Trainer]

hey, i just got wind of this thread a short while ago...how many board regulars go to witlow's and hard times? i might be interested in coming but i wouldn't have a band to bring with me....i could stand in for whoever...
Hey Nissan, check through this thread and you'll see who most of the regulars are. There are also regulars at Whitlow's that I don't think post on these boards.

There are a bunch of people that aren't "officialy" tied to a particular band. I kinda eased my way into Metric Brainstem just by showing up a couple times and filling in.

You should show up - it's a good time. Send a PM to Kalerado28 and he'll add you to the email list.

[drhollen]

I just got a pedal from RockPedal.com that I can bring next week for the tournament. Tim, can you bring your RB2 drums? I still have RB1 drums. The set at Whitlows has a broken pedal and the green pad is broken. Rob typically brings his metal-plate-enhanced pedal too. Someone should bring the RB2 game also. Kyle says that he has exported the RB1 songs to his hard drive, he just hasn't picked up RB2 yet, so we would be ready to go.

I always bring my GH3 guitar as I prefer that. If I manage to buy GH:WT by then, I may bring the new GH guitar to show that off. Dwayne usually brings his new RB2 fender, but he won't be there. Time, care to bring yours?

Billy said that he thought Whitlows might be willing to buy a whole new set of wireless equipment. It would seem to me that when the band is standing on the for the projection system, going wireless is a good move then, due to cable lengths. If they plan on doing that next week, they should probably get the RB2 bundle. No guarantees though.

[Avatar_Ko]

I'll bring my RB2 drumkit, guitar and game. One last question, I have the official silencers, do you want them on or off the set?

[Liger_Trainer]

...I have the official silencers, do you want them on or off the set?
I would say off. The RB2 set has just the right amount of rebound as is IMO and quietness is not an issue...

[Avatar_Ko]

I would say off. The RB2 set has just the right amount of rebound as is IMO and quietness is not an issue...

Will do.

(10 char)

[Zechman]

Tim, do you have the RB2 Strat?

If not, then for the sake of auto-calibration, I'll try to get my RB2 Strat into Dale's hands for next week. It's not like I'll be needing it while I'm away....

--Dwayne

[Avatar_Ko]

I do, I got the bundle.

[Kalerado28]

Greetings, fellow Rockers and Whitlow's regulars!

I am writing to regretfully inform you all that after the RockBand Band Tournament @ Whitlow's on Oct. 28th, I will no longer be co-hosting RockBand gameplay and tournament nights at Whitlow's for the remainder of the year and the foreseeable future. This is due to the conflict with my revised work schedule at my day-job.

Despite my absence, the fun will go on, however.
To my knowledge, Flip and Billy will continue hosting gameplay *every OTHER Tuesday night (on the 2nd & 4th Tuesdays of each month)*, with the big band tournament taking place on the last Tuesday of every month!

My primary goal has always been to reach out to folks for the sake of networking in hopes to unite RockBand/GuitarHero enthusiasts living in the local DC/MD/VA area. To date, I think my efforts have been successful. I really appreciate all the support you all have given to me in support of the weekly event since I started co-hosting it in June. I will definitely miss my part-time gig of rocking out with you all every week. I will do my best to stay in contact with you all, via this forum, XBoxLIVE (Gamertag: Kalerado28), and RockBandDC@yahoo.com.

For people seeking details of upcoming events at Whitlow's, I suggest contacting restaurant management directly by phone or in-person:

Whitlow's On Wilson
2854 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22201 (Clarendon)
703-276-9693

THANKS!
IT'S BEEN REAL!!
:cool: \m/

~ Kalerado ~

* - Edited 11/08/08

[Avatar_Ko]

Damn shame, Kal. Thanks for all the work you've put into it. Try and get back some time, k?

[absolutzero]

I'm not far from Clarendon (well, about 12 or 15 miles) and I happened to be at Whitlow's for a Rockband tournament with 8 bands. It was pretty entertaining but it took about an hour before all the equipment was set up and people started to get some quickplay in.

I didn't play since I had no experience at that time with any RB2 songs (PS3 owner, here) but next time I'm free after work on a Tuesday I might head over there again.

I heard about the RB events at HTC in Woodbridge but I'd rather not make THAT drive.

There's a HTC pool hall in Fairfax City--now THAT would be pretty damn convenient...

[Avatar_Ko]

Not sure why you had to spam our thread with this but my bundle guitar works fine and I didn't notice any difference when i used a sunburst guitar.

[BYC]

Just ignore the troll.

[Avatar_Ko]

We all still on for tonight? :)

[Kalerado28]

We all still on for tonight? :)

I'll be there with my console and GH:WT to boot for my last hurrah!
;)

[Liger_Trainer]

I'm in. Kal - try to bring a printout of your current list of songs - including DLC. I'm curious to see GHWT, but how is that going to fit into the tournament?

I will bring my M.I.C. for people to check out and I think Dale is bringing his Rock Pedal.

[Kalerado28]

I'm in. Kal - try to bring a printout of your current list of songs - including DLC. I'm curious to see GHWT, but how is that going to fit into the tournament?

I will bring my M.I.C. for people to check out and I think Dale is bringing his Rock Pedal.

OK, will do.

[Avatar_Ko]

I'll have my RB2 drumkit (my brand new perfect EL kit), RB2 strat and RB2 disc.

[Liger_Trainer]

Hey good times the other night everyone! Tim, thanks for filling in with us.

Sausagefest - you guys were awesome. I love a competition being so close.:)

[DikRodnum]

hey is this night dead now that Kal will not be hosting? It's been a while since I have read anything and wanted to know whats going on here...

[drhollen]

Whitlows is still having Rock Band on every other Tuesday (or is it the 2nd and fourth Tuesday of the month, or perhaps the 2nd and last Tuesday of the month??)

Next event is this Tuesday, November 11th. Then again November 25th, which is scheduled to be the tournament.

It is expected that Whitlows will have their projection screen working by this Tuesday, but that is unconfirmed.

Billy reported that he believes Whitlows will spring for Rock Band 2 set with wireless gear, but that is also unconfirmed. If so, will they also spring for a hard drive for Xbox 360 so they can export RB1 tracks and get more DLC? Let's hope...

Dale

[DikRodnum]

so its gone to every OTHER Tuesday now...that's not a good sign. That's cool that will have a big tv. My mine question now is, how crowded does it get now?

[Avatar_Ko]

so its gone to every OTHER Tuesday now...that's not a good sign. That's cool that will have a big tv. My mine question now is, how crowded does it get now?

Decently crowded. We've taken a hit because it's gotten cold but hopefully people we be used to it pretty soon. We had about 6 bands in the tourney the week before last (one left before it started).

[Avatar_Ko]

Hey Zech, are you going to be able to make it down tonight? Flip was wondering where we'd be getting DLC from.

Either way, can you guys suggest some essential DLC to get? I've got 1680 points to burn. Been meaning to spend them on some good stuff, just haven't bothered to get any yet, seeing as there's still so many tracks that I haven't even played yet.

[Zechman]

Yes, I'm coming, and bringing my system and Strat.

And my song list has risen to 8 pages now thanks to the 20 bonus songs and AC/DC!

And FYI: I do not have the RHCP or Foo Fighters albums.

--Dwayne

[Kalerado28]

Yes, I'm coming, and bringing my system and Strat.

And my song list has risen to 8 pages now thanks to the 20 bonus songs and AC/DC!

And FYI: I do not have the RHCP or Foo Fighters albums.

--Dwayne

Well, I finally have my XB360 RB2 Bundle, along with GT:WT game.
And I just so happen to have the Nirvana 7-Pack and Red Hot Chili Peppers' & Foo Fighters' albums DLC.

I'm looking at being on-deck for the 12/09/08 event @ Whitlow's, due to a fortunate break in my work schedule.

If it's agreeable, I'll bring my console as well. For the purpose of song catalog expansion, I had an idea of running GT:WT on my console (Audio/Video 2), while simultaneously running RB2 on the main console (Audio/Video 1), and just toggling between them whenever the corresponding song surfaces from the queue. [I'm sure Michael Jackson's "Beat It" would be a crowd pleaser.]

Let me know your thoughts on that, Avatar_Ko (and other Whitlow's regulars).
Also, has the projector screen been put into use yet?

[Avatar_Ko]

Well, I finally have my XB360 RB2 Bundle, along with GT:WT game.
And I just so happen to have the Nirvana 7-Pack and Red Hot Chili Peppers' & Foo Fighters' albums DLC.

I'm looking at being on-deck for the 12/09/08 event @ Whitlow's, due to a fortunate break in my work schedule.

If it's agreeable, I'll bring my console as well. For the purpose of song catalog expansion, I had an idea of running GT:WT on my console (Audio/Video 2), while simultaneously running RB2 on the main console (Audio/Video 1), and just toggling between them whenever the corresponding song surfaces from the queue. [I'm sure Michael Jackson's "Beat It" would be a crowd pleaser.]

Let me know your thoughts on that, Avatar_Ko (and other Whitlow's regulars).
Also, has the projector screen been put into use yet?
It's a cool idea, but I think it'd be pretty clunky. We'd have to resync up all of the controllers each time we switched and move the mic plug. I'm also not too enthused about their choice in colors, I'm not too sure about how well the purple bass pedal will show up, not to mention that open string bass will through people through a loop.

Might try it eventually, but I think people are still enjoying the RB2 catalog. Oh, and we did have the projector set up, that worked decent enough, but we had the 360 hooked up with Composite so the words weren't always readable. Dwayne's going to bring his component cable next time. And at the same time, we're going to skip the in house sound system next time. It sounded really terrible and piping that drunk girl that we had last week to all areas of the bar probably isn't the best idea. (Me and Flip had to jump in to save her from failing out at least three times) Not to mention the players could only barely hear the game, we couldn't get the stage monitor to go. We'll be going back to using the mixer next week.

[Liger_Trainer]

...it sounded really terrible and piping that drunk girl that we had last week to all areas of the bar probably isn't the best idea.
That girl was pissing me off to the limit and Flip kept letting her sing - for what!?

Anyway, I'm not too keen on the new setup. It's definitely much better for the audience. At least now they can see the screen action but now the "players" backs are facing the audience. I thought I heard Flip say they were working on setting up a TV that would be on the floor so the band could be on stage. That would be nice.

Tim is right the audio was horrible. You could barely hear the game music when you were playing. Also correct about the vox. I had to stand much farther back from the screen to read the words and IMO the whole band should be much farther back. When I was drumming I had to look way up to see the notes. Would it be possible to maybe set up the tables so the band is kinda in the middle? Just a thought...

Dwayne, I pray that you were just holding off on buying RHCP and Foo Fighters. IMO you don't need the whole album of BSSM - just the singles would be cool. But for the love of all things good, please get the whole album of TCaTS :D

[Kalerado28]

It's a cool idea, but I think it'd be pretty clunky. We'd have to resync up all of the controllers each time we switched and move the mic plug. I'm also not too enthused about their choice in colors, I'm not too sure about how well the purple bass pedal will show up, not to mention that open string bass will through people through a loop.

If I'm not mistaken, can't you sync wireless controllers to more than one console at a time? I've synced my laptop and my XBox concurrently, using the same controllers. It just has to be done while only one console is powered on at a time.

Has Whitlow's stretched their budget to spring for the RB2 bundle yet? I'll look into those wireless mic controllers that they have out.

As much as I hate to say it, but IMO, GH:WT has outshined RB2 as far as upgrading gameplay with the capability of playing "open string" notes on guitar, being able to play drum rolls on different drums without them being metered exactly, and ability to accumulate point score on drum fills WITHIN the song (not just at the end).

To be honest, "open string" playability should have been designed into gameplay from the get-go, back in GH1. I've always wondered why the designers just wasted a perfectly playable "un-note". It's good they realized this and corrected it. If they had factored in the "open string" from the get-go, it wouldn't be so hard for folks to get used to the idea of playing it now. I know this may not be the right thread for this topic, but I only really want to get feedback from you guys in this thread anyways...

Oh, and if you haven't expertly drummed "Anything" by An Endless Sporadic on GH:WT, you're missing out on some really decent fun, my friend.

[drhollen]

The projector was better for the crowd, and wasn't so bad for standing players for guitar and vocals, but the drummer was looking up a bit - didn't seem to bother me the time I drummed, but could be an issue.

It was the first week for the new setup and there were some issues - especially the sound. I think they have a plan to fix that. A component cable would help the visuals also.

So far, Whitlows hasn't sprung for RB2 or any other game console equipment. Let's hope they will soon. Maybe as long as we are bringing all of our gear, why should they bother. Let them have another night with some of the regulars (and contributors) absent again and see just how bad things are: RB1 + only 5 DLC, all wired equipment, a drum set with a broken pedal and broken green pad, and I believe a guitar with a broken tilt sensor.

But with the new projector setup, I think they are perhaps thinking about it. And Billy says that RB has picked up Tuesday night which was pretty dead for them, so it IS working.

At the risk of turning this thread into a GHWT vs RB2 thread, I'll comment on why I think RB2 is definitely better for Whitlows. First off, I like GHWT - I think it is fun and does certainly have some good songs, but instead of a 4-person band, it is more like four solo players playing individually. There is no band saviour, there is no band multiplier (that helps others), and they don't have a no-fail mode. Sure the "add-a-chord" thing on guitar is new and cool, some think the 5-lane + pedal drums are cool (even though I think we would still be 4+ pedal), and the open string bass adds some realize/challenge. There are a few other small things that they did better, but as a band game, it is not better than RB2. Especially for Whitlows, who has so many newbies playing. You have to use star power to help yourself, if you fail, the song abruptly fails and other players don't even have a clue that you are about to fail. The tiny personal rock-o-meters are so hard to see. If someone uses up star power selfishly and others need it - too bad. There also isn't a no-fail mode that I've seen. Switching consoles would definately slow things down even more. At Whitlows, we would be watching groups fail more often than succeed. Nobody like listening to part of a song.

If you want to play GHWT, go to Hard Times Cafe in Woodbridge on Wedesdays. The first night they had it, they did it all night. The second week, people were already requesting they switch back to RB2 and GHWT didn't even last 1/2 the night, and this is from a place that always does a GH/RB split night. Last I was there it was 2 hours GHWT and 2.5 hours RB2.

I won't be coming next week to the tournament, but should return Dec. 9th.

Dale

[Zechman]

RE: My song library

I have the Foo Fighters album now. So you can all calm down.... :eek:
I'm on the fence about getting the whole RHCP album versus selected singles. There are some that I definitely want, but I need to make the all/some decision first.
What singles do you guy think are the best from BSSM?

RE: The projector

The projector was nice, but everything Avatar_Ko, Liger_Trainer and drhollen said was also true. The way the screen is positioned (at the middle of the stage instead of the rear, and with about 4 feet between the stage floor and the bottom of the screen), it's pretty much "Use the projector OR the stage, never both." That is, unless (1) you're a two-year-old, or (2) you enjoy having a blinding light aimed right at your head!

I think the plan is that next time we'll try to put the big TV on the floor facing the stage, and that will be what the bands play to (and what we calibrate the video to).

BUT, I have no idea if the projector can do a 720p signal, and I'd lay money that the TV can't, so the fuzzy vocals on the projector (an interlace artifact) may be with us for a while if we need to split the video signal and therefore stick to the lowest common denominator. Then again, if we're playing to the TV, maybe it's a non-issue.

RE: The sound

Using the house sound was essentially a failed experiment. The one good thing that came out of it was that Whitlows identified four speakers that needed to be replaced (ironically, two were right at the stage). I'm told that in other parts of the place it sounded great. We didn't have the two big speakers above the stage in use at all nor a monitor on the stage, either of which would have made it better. The plan for next time is to go back to using those. We'll also be able to audio-calibrate to them easily, which I couldn't do on the house system.

RE: Flip and drunk women

No, it's not that. :p

In general, Flip is always trying to encourage the newbies to try it out, which is why he'll often bump us regulars to let others play (so long as they're not scamming him with band names). So when you get someone like her who tries it out and likes it, he (and we) should encourage that--yes, even if it's painful to listen to. That's what the "microphone volume" setting is for. :cool:

Plus, I think it was because of her that the blond girl got up and tried it, and she actually COULD sing. (And SHE was the he was hitting on afterward.;))

--Dwayne

[Zechman]

If I'm not mistaken, can't you sync wireless controllers to more than one console at a time? I've synced my laptop and my XBox concurrently, using the same controllers. It just has to be done while only one console is powered on at a time.
Um, doesn't that kind of shoot down what you're planning to do???

Also, I don't know if you've played GHWT much as a multiplayer game, but the "SURPRISE!!! You FAILED!!!" aspect of it is going to ruin it for Whitlow's.

--Dwayne

[Avatar_Ko]

In general, Flip is always trying to encourage the newbies to try it out, which is why he'll often bump us regulars to let others play (so long as they're not scamming him with band names). So when you get someone like her who tries it out and likes it, he (and we) should encourage that--yes, even if it's painful to listen to. That's what the "microphone volume" setting is for. :cool:

Plus, I think it was because of her that the blond girl got up and tried it, and she actually COULD sing. (And SHE was the he was hitting on afterward.;))

--Dwayne

Unfortunately that mic volume setting only goes so far. Couldn't quite drown her out all the way when she just started screaming. I do think that Flip let her stay on a bit too much though.

Oh, and that girl with the white-blonde hair was cute :)

[Liger_Trainer]

RE: My song library
I have the Foo Fighters album now. So you can all calm down.
Yesssss :)


What singles do you guy think are the best from BSSM?
This is obviously one man's (awesome)opinion:
Breaking The Girl Suck My Kiss Under The Bridge


In general, Flip is always trying to encourage the newbies to try it out, blah, blah, blah.
I'm 100% fine with getting bumped to let new people give it a go. Not drunk annoying people though. I don't care if they sound like crap, but when they are being loud and obnoxious - no thanks.

My 2 cents on GHWT:
- It's ok.
- I think the drumming is way behind RB. The timing window is very wide and while that may seem like it should be easier, it's a distraction for me. The carts are odd too. I tried to play on the demo set in Best Buy and I really dislike the "cymbals". They are a joke and do not "better simulate" playing a real drum set. Pads feel kinda good though. "Star power" activation on the drums is lame. I do like that you can activate when you want, but you have to time it just right and sometimes I couldn't tell if my meter was full enough and would break my streak activating. I dislike the "open fill lanes" I encourages and rewards random bashing and can often be distracting to other members who have parts during the open fill.
- I like the "open" bass note. Purple is a horrible choice for a color. What about a thick white line? I think it should only be incorporated at the expert level though - I think it would be cool for RB to add...
- No strong opinion on guitar
- Character creator is cool (time consuming) but to me, the characters still look like poop and the animations are robotic.
- Some songs are big wins - I really like the latin flavored songs they got.
- Multi-player (and even single player) metering blows hard. The insta-fail is horrid. It's difficult to know how well you are doing and as soon as you get in the red - you're out.

I rented it for a week and don't have any desire to play it again. Would I like to have some of the songs though? Yup. If Whitlow's decided to do 50/50 GHWT and RB2 I might have to reconsider showing up. Not that I'm the glue to that event or anything - I'm just saying...:)

/End long rant-review

[Avatar_Ko]

Oh BTW, I caved and bought a couple Rush tracks today :p

[DikRodnum]

GH:WT @ Whitlow's (hell, anywhere but home) is NOT a good idea IMO. WT just does NOT lend itself to co-op party gaming. It is far more a comp' type of game. Even as "TooL" is my absolute favorite band...even with them in the game with 3 songs, they were not enough for me to like that game.
I think RB IS the best "Bar-Noob-Casual" game out right now. If you guys do WT and RB (now that my car is fixed!!) that would detour me from coming up/out to Whitlow's.

Also, I had a thought...

I have some of your Gamertags in my friend list and have tried to play with some of you (Ko'...lol). I was thinking on the Tues that no one is playing at Whitlow's we do an online group play.
...eh?!?... :confused:

[Liger_Trainer]

I have some of your Gamertags in my friend list and have tried to play with some of you (Ko'...lol). I was thinking on the Tues that no one is playing at Whitlow's we do an online group play.
This is a great idea :)

[Avatar_Ko]

Lol I've got it working now. I'll be on at 9 if you guys are game.