i don't see why songs are censored

[partyboydanial]

for songs on the game yes they have to be censored to keep a T Rating, to keep from losing the younger audience with a M Rating.

but for DLC, everything always says that the Rating of the game have nothing to do with online activities.

online activities include DLC, because you cant get it if u dont have Xbox Live/w.e. PS3 users have.

so why does DLC have to be censored?

[the_o]

Because from an ethical business standpoint where the kids are going to be playing and are going to be downloading songs, you have to keep the same standards in dlc songs as in the in game songs.
It's hard for people with an advanced age to understand how this stuff works to begin with but if you start having F this and F that in any songs, parents are going to have problems.
I think the experience may change in online play disclaimer refers to things other players are doing, not the company that released the game.
I'm not saying I like it, I'd rather have expletives than gaps or radio play lyrics in songs, but you can at least understand why they have to do it.

[Tom Imp]

One word: lawsuits.

Everyone in this country is "sue happy" and you better believe some uptight soccer moms will be in their lawyer's offices the day after they hear what their kids downloaded. Heaven forbid they monitor what their own kids are doing. :rolleyes:

[schmeankman]

Yeah but that could be avoided because the nice people at ESRB said DLC can have any rating, because it is not part of the core game.

[Tom Imp]

This is a country where frivolous lawsuits run rampant. They allowed a women to actually bring a case to court because she spilled McDonald's coffee on herself and it burned her. Not only did they allow this idiotic case into court, but she also won.

I'm sure some lawyer somewhere would find a loophole to allow them to sue over this.

[bravo 08]

This is a country where frivolous lawsuits run rampant. They allowed a women to actually bring a case to court because she spilled McDonald's coffee on herself and it burned her. Not only did they allow this idiotic case into court, but she also won.
:confused:
I'm sure some lawyer somewhere would find a loophole to allow them to sue over this.

Liebeck v. McDonald's
Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[9] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. Two years of treatment followed

I am sure you would love it if you got 3rd degree burns because someone is to lazy to push a lid down on a cup. Stupidity and or incompetance has to be monitored like a hawk these days because so many people only care about themselves.:(
This was an easilly preventable thing from happening and not her fault which is why Mcdonalds has fancy cups with super duper tight lids now.

The words being taken out of the songs does not bother me. It ould be nice if they left it up to you which version you wanted to download, Or at least give you the option.

[TobyD81]

Yeah but that could be avoided because the nice people at ESRB said DLC can have any rating, because it is not part of the core game.

Nope, not true. ESRB President Patricia Vance (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167441) has said that if any DLC has a rating higher than the original rating, then the game must be re-rated. So, not only could it hurt sales if a game goes from T to M, but I wouldn't be surprised if it incurs additional fees from the ESRB. (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/letter_display.php?letter_id=505)

[CONAN9845]

Giving an option would require more work for them, which would mean higher prices for the songs that we do get. You'd split the profits from one song into two, so it's not like they would be making more money for this extra work.

It's censored so everything can retain the same rating. This game is marketed for Teens and up, so that's the way it goes. Harmonix probably doesn't even have anything to do with what rating for which they are aiming.

[gmagnus]

This was an easilly preventable thing from happening and not her fault which is why Mcdonalds has fancy cups with super duper tight lids now.


QFT; people need to stop referencing things they don't know about.

[Tom Imp]

I am sure you would love it if you got 3rd degree burns because someone is to lazy to push a lid down on a cup. Stupidity and or incompetance has to be monitored like a hawk these days because so many people only care about themselves. :(
This was an easilly preventable thing from happening and not her fault which is why Mcdonalds has fancy cups with super duper tight lids now.

No, I wouldn't want 3rd degree burns, but it wasn't exactly McDonald's fault. This is what I read.

"On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49¢ cup of coffee from the drive-thru of a local McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her Ford Probe, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. She placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap."

She placed the cup between her legs. She pulled on the lid. She spilled the coffee on herself.
There was also a warning on the coffee cup.

Frivolous lawsuit!

[notoriousgop89]

Nope, not true. ESRB President Patricia Vance (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167441) has said that if any DLC has a rating higher than the original rating, then the game must be re-rated. So, not only could it hurt sales if a game goes from T to M, but I wouldn't be surprised if it incurs additional fees from the ESRB. (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/letter_display.php?letter_id=505)

Actually, you are wrong. Vance was referring to mandatory updates, not optional content. The clarification is explained here: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/22/esrb-optional-dlc-can-have-different-rating (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/22/esrb-optional-dlc-can-have-different-rating/)/

[bravo 08]

No, I wouldn't want 3rd degree burns, but it wasn't exactly McDonald's fault. This is what I read.

"On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49¢ cup of coffee from the drive-thru of a local McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her Ford Probe, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. She placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap."

She placed the cup between her legs. She pulled on the lid. She spilled the coffee on herself.
There was also a warning on the coffee cup.

Frivolous lawsuit!

Well a jury of 12 saw it different than you. I'm done talking about Mcdonalds!

[TobyD81]

Actually, you are wrong. Vance was referring to mandatory updates, not optional content. The clarification is explained here: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/22/esrb-optional-dlc-can-have-different-rating (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/22/esrb-optional-dlc-can-have-different-rating/)/

Wow, I hadn't seen that story. Cool, that was the policy I had hoped they would take. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Magnet]

notoriousgop89's information is the most up-to-date and correct. It was relayed to MTV Multiplayer (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/04/18/update-esrb-does-allow-differently-rated-downloadable-content-if-content-is-optional/) that...


If the downloadable content earns a more restrictive (higher) age rating, and it is of an optional nature, it must display the new rating prior to the user downloading it. The core product’s rating won’t change, unless the new downloadable content is part of a required patch, as is typically the case with MMOs that must be patched in order to play.

So in theory it seems that it is possible for Harmonix to release M-rated songs for Rock Band. There's been speculation as to the potential reasons we haven't seen this done yet. It may cost more time and money to submit songs to the ESRB for M ratings than it's worth. Any songs rated M would be automatically off-limits for those T-rated Track Packs that are starting to come out for the PS2 and Wii. There may be concerns that the audience may be more limited as parents may not allow their children to download songs rated M, thereby resulting in less sales.

At this point, I think the most we can hope for is for them to try at least one M rated DLC song as a trial run and see if the additional required hurdles are worth it. It's also likely that they've already number crunched everything and determined that M rated songs aren't worth the trouble.

What we do know is that there are many factors in the process of determining what version of a song ends up as DLC. The version being censored or a radio edit may be a decision made by a record label or the artist, which would put it out of HMX's control. I'm guessing it would require quite a consensus among all the partners involved in producing a song for us to ever see an M rating.

[Mushroom]

Nope, not true. ESRB President Patricia Vance (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167441) has said that if any DLC has a rating higher than the original rating, then the game must be re-rated. So, not only could it hurt sales if a game goes from T to M, but I wouldn't be surprised if it incurs additional fees from the ESRB. (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/letter_display.php?letter_id=505)

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[needLEEr]

for songs on the game yes they have to be censored to keep a T Rating, to keep from losing the younger audience with a M Rating.

but for DLC, everything always says that the Rating of the game have nothing to do with online activities.

online activities include DLC, because you cant get it if u dont have Xbox Live/w.e. PS3 users have.

so why does DLC have to be censored?
Ergh..everytime someone creates a thread about something, it multiplies, and 5000 threads about the same subject are made, can you not keep it to one thread?

[Axe Man]

for songs on the game yes they have to be censored to keep a T Rating, to keep from losing the younger audience with a M Rating.

but for DLC, everything always says that the Rating of the game have nothing to do with online activities.

online activities include DLC, because you cant get it if u dont have Xbox Live/w.e. PS3 users have.

so why does DLC have to be censored?

Not sure why we have two threads with same complaint on same day but whatever.....I for one have no desire to have the F bomb dropped while my 10 year old is playing. There is no way to have individual parental lockouts on each song so don't give me this parental supervision crap. I would love to see how ya'lls family would react at thanksgiving with grandma and grandpa around when one of those songs come up and you start cussing like some idiot. It's a family game. It needs to stay that way. If you are pissed because you can't swear in a song, I have two words for ya........GROW UP.

[jhn31]

Also, if you want to use the profanity, you can still do it anyway when you sing. For example, when I sing This Aint a Scene, I always say the word "god" anyway. But I understand that some people don't want to hear that, so I don't worry about it.

[Apples]

I know the natural finger to point is at the company producing the tracks, but believe a compelling case can be made for the over-conservative elements in government trying to regulate and muscle the gaming industry.

Most of the "egregious" content in games pales in comparison to that of a modern PG-13 movie (let alone R-rated content)

The double standard is stark and obvious. Why? The movie industry has a bigger money lobby, and politicians are under the believe they can scapegoat video games for societies woes (and votes in their favor)

[wuggoo]

They should have sold a seperate rated M version of the game and with that version you could download songs with unchaged swears. They couldn't even put Beethovens **** in the game without blocking out ****.

[JackBNimble]

for songs on the game yes they have to be censored to keep a T Rating, to keep from losing the younger audience with a M Rating.

but for DLC, everything always says that the Rating of the game have nothing to do with online activities.

online activities include DLC, because you cant get it if u dont have Xbox Live/w.e. PS3 users have.

so why does DLC have to be censored?

The last thing I want is my kids ( 7&11) playing songs that are unsuitable for them.

If there was censored version & an uncensored version to choose from then I would be good with that. But untill that ever happens if they want my business they better keep it the way it is.

[nicholasenj]

I know the natural finger to point is at the company producing the tracks, but believe a compelling case can be made for the over-conservative elements in government trying to regulate and muscle the gaming industry.

Most of the "egregious" content in games pales in comparison to that of a modern PG-13 movie (let alone R-rated content)

The double standard is stark and obvious. Why? The movie industry has a bigger money lobby, and politicians are under the believe they can scapegoat video games for societies woes (and votes in their favor)

come on Apples, before this I would have given you more credibility than this wonderfully stereotypical post warrants.

does a parent not wanting their child exposed to certain language make them a ignorant conservative? you sound like the *****s I have to put up with everyday outside of these forums.

[partyboydanial]

I know the natural finger to point is at the company producing the tracks, but believe a compelling case can be made for the over-conservative elements in government trying to regulate and muscle the gaming industry.

Most of the "egregious" content in games pales in comparison to that of a modern PG-13 movie (let alone R-rated content)

The double standard is stark and obvious. Why? The movie industry has a bigger money lobby, and politicians are under the believe they can scapegoat video games for societies woes (and votes in their favor)

this is very true, Halo gets an M Rating for what shooting Aliens, when he average R/PG-13 rated movie, real people (not aliens, or animated people) can get shot in.

[partyboydanial]

The last thing I want is my kids ( 7&11) playing songs that are unsuitable for them.

If there was censored version & an uncensored version to choose from then I would be good with that. But untill that ever happens if they want my business they better keep it the way it is.

not trying to put you parenting down, or anything.

but if your kid is 11, trust me when hes not around you and when hes around his friends he curses.

but unrelated to that.

i think nothing should be censored. ratings im okay with because it tells people, what to expect from it, but censoring is stupid. especially on the radio. *****, ass, and many other words can be said but shi*t can't?

shi*t means garbage, generally.

yet your allowed to use ***** to put down a gender?

i dont get it same with TV

you can use the n-word on tv which puts down an entire race of people.

but u cant say shi*t which means garbage

sounds ******ed to me doesnt it?

[Apples]

come on Apples, before this I would have given you more credibility than this wonderfully stereotypical post warrants.

does a parent not wanting their child exposed to certain language make them a ignorant conservative? you sound like the *****s I have to put up with everyday outside of these forums.

My post has nothing to do with parenting--a completely separate matter. It has to do with hypocrisy and double standards in government regulation.

Quite honestly I applaud parents taking an interest in their kids activities.

[BathTub]

There should be a parental control options menu for muting the swear words, it should be built right into the game, it's ludicrious that you can sing a song about rape, but you can't say Evil words like God, or -juana.

Let us decide.

[nicholasenj]

My post has nothing to do with parenting--a completely separate matter. It has to do with hypocrisy and double standards in government regulation.

Quite honestly I applaud parents taking an interest in their kids activities.

unfortunately, government anymore just seems to be one giant double standard. I can certainly agree that governmental hypocrisy is getting quite old; it just seemed in this particular context that you were implying that the only reason some songs were censored was because of the government doing something that it didn't have the right to do, which struck me as being very unprofessional.

[insertname155]

Well a jury of 12 saw it different than you. I'm done talking about Mcdonalds!

Civil suits aren't monitored by a jury.

In anycase more to the point, when they give a warning saying that the online aspects are unrated, what they're referring to is people talking. If you said online was rated T for teen and someone was just screaming out obscenities through their mic you'd have a big problem. So the "unrated" is just a warning that they can't control what someone else says or does...Teabagging in Halo anyone?

[BStu78]

Frivolous lawsuit!

Ugh. Okay, so someone was right to call you out on using the McDonald's Coffee case as "proof" of frivolous lawsuits, but they got the details wrong. The problem wasn't the lid. Indeed, the jury did find that the victim shared responsibility for her injuries and adjusted the reward accordingly. The problem was that McDonald's coffee actually was dangerously hot. And significantly hotter than others industry. Too hot to have been safely consumed by humans. AND THEY KNEW THIS. The real reason they got such a large judgement against them was because this was just one in a long line of sever injuries caused by their coffee. McDonald's, with the knowledge that their product was harming people chose not to do anything about that. The jury found that grossly negligent and the punitive damages were issued to punish McDonald's for THAT negligence. As high as the judgment sounded, it wasn't pulled out of thin air, either. The $2.7 million punitive judgement was just 2 days of revenue from JUST McDonald's coffee. It may be high to us, but to McDonald's it really wasn't that much. Just hopefully enough to sting and force corrective action which is the entire purpose of punitive damages in civil cases.

All that aside, crying about lawsuits has no baring on this issue to begin with. Its just agenda pushing by people who've been coached to think that lawyers are source of all problems in this world. Because why have a nuanced worldview when you can have a whipping boy. Harmonix chose to go for a T rating so that their product would be available to as wide an audience as possible. For a game like this, that's a pretty sensible decision. I wish they could offered uncensored alternatives, but I'm not broken up too much. We all have access to them anyway. Heck, we can even sing the swears if we want. I don't think its a major issue and if it means more people are playing Rock Band, then I don't see a problem.

I also should be reinforced that the warning about online play is not a reference to DLC being unrated. It just means that game makers can't be held accountable for the garbage some sad little teenager shouts into his headset mic while he's on XBox Live. Because if they had to account for those idiots, every game would be AO.

[Chief Stubbs]

They should have sold a seperate rated M version of the game and with that version you could download songs with unchaged swears. They couldn't even put Beethovens **** in the game without blocking out ****.
I own Serj Tankian's Elect The Dead; the song is called Beethoven's C*** on both the cover and in the booklet. Serj leaves the C*** open to interpretation; hell, for all you know, it's Beethoven's Camp.

[SaintJ44]

Yeah but think about it.

imagine if for the Bee Movie game there was a download that gave that bee a chainsaw and he could go around killing people.

I guess thats a bit of an over-the-top comparison but maybe you get my point.

but yeah in opinions it is pretty stupid that they even have to censor stuff out

because when people do vocals for these songs about 99.9% of them sing the swears anyways and it takes like 10 mins to edit the swears out because they have to take layers apart and all that and then put it back together just to censor out like not even half a second of the song.

but of course if they don't,

a bunch of *****y uptight moms are gonna take this to court

it'll be like if mad cow disease sued MTV

because thats what the world is these days.

you can't even say fart anymore without getting a kick in the ass by those FCC guys.

god I hate the world.

[Ultimatum]

They should have sold a seperate rated M version of the game and with that version you could download songs with unchaged swears. They couldn't even put Beethovens **** in the game without blocking out ****.

Have you ever called a girl that name or witnessed one call the other that same name?

It's not a very pretty sight.

[Firepenguin99]

Because we love to sue people.


This is a country where frivolous lawsuits run rampant. They allowed a women to actually bring a case to court because she spilled McDonald's coffee on herself and it burned her. Not only did they allow this idiotic case into court, but she also won.

I'm sure some lawyer somewhere would find a loophole to allow them to sue over this.

On the other hand, why do people love to use this as an example? People don't know the details of it, so they don't know why it was NOT a frivolous lawsuit. The reason was that it was MUCH hotter than it was supposed to be. It's not supposed to be hot enough to cause the kinds of burns it gave, so she had perfect legal ground for it.

[SaintJ44]

Because we love to sue people.



On the other hand, why do people love to use this as an example? People don't know the details of it, so they don't know why it was NOT a frivolous lawsuit. The reason was that it was MUCH hotter than it was supposed to be. It's not supposed to be hot enough to cause the kinds of burns it gave, so she had perfect legal ground for it.

but still its not like McDonalds went up to her and pushed the drink over onto her

it does say on the cup

*CAUTION HOT*

she spilled it on herself so really she didn't have a reason

what do you like cold coffee?

[Firepenguin99]

but still its not like McDonalds went up to her and pushed the drink over onto her

it does say on the cup

*CAUTION HOT*

she spilled it on herself so really she didn't have a reason

what do you like cold coffee?

You're missing the point. She sued because, although it's supposed to be quite hot, it's not supposed to be hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns. Even if you're incompetent enough to spill it on you, it should only be able to cause light burns, if any at all.

[Ultimatum]

The cup of copy being unreasonably hot is sort of a toy with an excessive amount of sharp edges.

Any coffee that can cause 3rd degree burns is WAY too hot. Hell, I even touched a motorcycle tailpipe with my leg right after the engine had been turned off after a 2 or so hour ride and I escaped with JUST UNDER a 3rd degree burn.

[zerofan]

It stinks but at least when your singing you can say the right words and include all the forbidden ones....lol

[SaintJ44]

The cup of copy being unreasonably hot is sort of a toy with an excessive amount of sharp edges.

Any coffee that can cause 3rd degree burns is WAY too hot. Hell, I even touched a motorcycle tailpipe with my leg right after the engine had been turned off after a 2 or so hour ride and I escaped with JUST UNDER a 3rd degree burn.

just for the record the coffee is more of an accident than the toy would be


but the main point here that should be stated is

what the hell does any of this have to do with censoring songs in rock band?!

[Firepenguin99]

just for the record the coffee is more of an accident than the toy would be


but the main point here that should be stated is

what the hell does any of this have to do with censoring songs in rock band?!

Yeah, I realize now that I completely derailed a thread. Reminds of how I could derail the topic of lessons in sci- wait. Dammit!

[trench762]

topic has been covered numerous times, I personally would love an m rated rock band game, but I don't really mind. Sometimes they overdo it though. Seriously, taking the word down out of you ougta know is kind of overboard. I usually just sing the missing lyric if I'm singing. Kids cuss more in halo than most adults. I had a pretty filthy mouth in middle school/high school myself. The rating system is for parents who don't even play the games b/c they are incapable of telling their brats they can't play a game with cussing in it. But whatever, tis the american way.

[Luckshower]

I personally don't know... First off if you dont want your kids playing a game where there is curing then dont buy it... Im tired of the irresponsible parents who dont do research on a game before buying it. Like look at GTA, Mothers around the world complain their ass of because their kids are getting a bad influence from playing it. UM... IT SAYS "M 17+" not 12 and under. And dont give me that bs with children being affected because of cursing. The average kids parents curse 3 times more then the all the songs on rockband that are supposed to be unedited. Also, dont think kids dont curse because i walk past a group of idk 7 year olds and they curse a hell of alot!

[dt_torres]

there should be an option for parental controls or they could take it from the console's parental control

[sledge006]

I personnaly appreciate the censorship. I love RockBand and so does my son. If this game was to go M rated, I'll have to take it away from him and that would really suck. I don't think you'll ever be penallized cursing through the songs when you sing, so I don't realy see a reason to include the curse words and expose every one to it. I'm actually wanting the RB music version myself so I can listen to the censored songs with my son. :P

[CantStopTheHopp]

I personnaly appreciate the censorship. I love RockBand and so does my son. If this game was to go M rated, I'll have to take it away from him and that would really suck. I don't think you'll ever be penallized cursing through the songs when you sing, so I don't realy see a reason to include the curse words and expose every one to it. I'm actually wanting the RB music version myself so I can listen to the censored songs with my son. :P

They could release M rated DLC and your son, or any other child who shouldn't be listening to strong language for that matter, wouldn't have to play those songs and EVERYBODY is happy. You can play the censored on-disc songs and the DLC songs that don't need censorship while the rest of us also get uncensored songs.

In summary, HMX can released M rated DLC and children can be prevented from playing them VERY easily.

[BStu78]

but still its not like McDonalds went up to her and pushed the drink over onto her

it does say on the cup

*CAUTION HOT*

she spilled it on herself so really she didn't have a reason

what do you like cold coffee?

You topped a month old thread just to dive back into these tired old talking points? Lets review ONE MORE TIME.

The jury DID find that the victim shared responsibility and reduced damages accordingly.

The coffee wasn't simply "hot" it was dangerously hot. Hotter than other restaurants. Not by a little, either. They served their coffee 50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, and too hot to even be consumed.

In response to the case, McDonald's DID lower the temperature of their coffee. So, the "hot" coffee you get in the last 14 years? Try tacking 30-40 degrees.

And this was not an isolated case. 700 people had suffered serious burns in the 10 years prior to the incident. McDonald's did nothing in response to these injuries. THAT is what lead the jury to issue punitive damages. That is, damages intended to punish a company for willful negligence.

The case was just a political pawn for those who want to absolve corporations from having to pay any price for actions which cause harm to others. Its nothing more than a fake talking point used by people who think it proves something that it doesn't prove. The case actually proves the necessity of civil penalties and the possibility for corrective action arising from them. And McDonald's didn't even pay remotely the amount originally ordered by the jury. The trial court reduced that and the final settlement likely reduced that further. This wasn't a client out to make a buck. It was an elderly woman badly injured who just didn't want anyone else to be hurt and wanted her medical bills paid. I'm so sick and tired of people trying to warp this lawsuit to fit their political ideologies. Its not even an honest abuse of the system, and gosh knows those DO exist.

[nick585]

If I recall correctly the ESRB has stated that if they release M rated DLC the rating of the game will technically have to be changed to M since DLC becomes part of the game.

[mememe]

wow, no one knows how to make the songs uncensored?

stupid noobs everywhere, damn. I have to tell people online every time I play, it's annoying when they pick the censored song just b/c they don't know how to uncensor it. I'm seriously so sick and tired of explaining it.

A, B, A, C, A, B, B. Alternatively- up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A. Remember it.

Or you can go to the options menu ingame, enter your credit card # to prove you're over 18, and bam, uncensored songs.

[nanowerx]

To the people complaining that they dont want their 7 year old or 10 year old hearing naughty words on Rock Band....well, how about check the ESRB rating on your game next time. The game is rated T for TEEN. Seven year olds shouldn't be playing a game rated for Teen and above in the first place. So to actually have the nerve to ***** that the game should be censored to appeal to your precious snowflake is asinine.

The game shouldn't be dumbed down because kids that shouldnt be playing the game might hear a bad word.

By the way, you can show breasts in a PG-13 rated movie and use the word F*ck up to a certain amount of times, don't get me started on the allowable amount of violence.... So removing lines of vox like "she told me to spread my legs, then she, tried to cop a feel" in Sir Psycho Sexy is stupid and doing nothing but catering to these people who ignore the original rating anyway.

[mememe]

To the people complaining that they dont want their 7 year old or 10 year old hearing naughty words on Rock Band....well, how about check the ESRB rating on your game next time. The game is rated T for TEEN. Seven year olds shouldn't be playing a game rated for Teen and above in the first place. So to actually have the nerve to ***** that the game should be censored to appeal to your precious snowflake is asinine.

The game shouldn't be dumbed down because kids that shouldnt be playing the game might hear a bad word.

By the way, you can show breasts in a PG-13 rated movie and use the word F*ck up to a certain amount of times, don't get me started on the allowable amount of violence.... So removing lines of vox like "she told me to spread my legs, then she, tried to cop a feel" in Sir Psycho Sexy is stupid and doing nothing but catering to these people who ignore the original rating anyway.

Tom, this is the internet and this man is taking it very, very personal.

[Mex]

We can talk about ESRB rating till we're blue in the face. Parenting as well.

At the end of the day, if I'm not mistaken, HMX has already stated that they have a self imposed censorship model, regardless of ESRB.

They want this game accessible to a wide cross section of ages. If that means that some people don't get to hear swear words, they are perfectly ok with that.

[CantStopTheHopp]

We can talk about ESRB rating till we're blue in the face. Parenting as well.

At the end of the day, if I'm not mistaken, HMX has already stated that they have a self imposed censorship model, regardless of ESRB.

They want this game accessible to a wide cross section of ages. If that means that some people don't get to hear swear words, they are perfectly ok with that.

Where have they said this? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass; I'm genuinely curious.

Edit: If they have said something to this effect, wouldn't mods come in and remind us about such a statement right before locking these kinds of threads?

[Mex]

Where have they said this? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass; I'm genuinely curious.

Edit: If they have said something to this effect, wouldn't mods come in and remind us about such a statement right before locking these kinds of threads?

This topic has been brought up so many times I can't recall which thread it was in but one of the devs stepped in and made that comment.

You could try searching for it but good luck.

[Ultimatum]

Honestly, what is so bad about these few words?

Frank Zappa simply could not have said it better in this Crossfire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

"What we're arguing about here is words."

[Vilius]

wow, no one knows how to make the songs uncensored?

stupid noobs everywhere, damn. I have to tell people online every time I play, it's annoying when they pick the censored song just b/c they don't know how to uncensor it. I'm seriously so sick and tired of explaining it.

A, B, A, C, A, B, B. Alternatively- up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A. Remember it.

Or you can go to the options menu ingame, enter your credit card # to prove you're over 18, and bam, uncensored songs.

You are a pretty funny guy! I'm sure you enjoy lying to people on a daily basis.

Also, C? Really?

[moneyp]

I am sure you would love it if you got 3rd degree burns because someone is to lazy to push a lid down on a cup.

That, and it's not a good idea to serve coffee that's hotter than napalm (which the coffee she received was). The real issue was McDonald's policy of making their coffee ridiculously hot to keep it warmer for longer (and thus save money by having to make less).

Not only that, but the woman originally asked only for them to cover medical expenses, which McDonald's refused to do. And you people get pissy about Wal-Mart.

Anyway, I'm glad you brought it up. It always irks me when people use that as an example of a frivolous lawsuit.

[mememe]

You are a pretty funny guy! I'm sure you enjoy lying to people on a daily basis.

Also, C? Really?

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Yeah C. On the genesis controller.... Any real gamer knows that's the blood code for the original Mortal Kombat, damn (you put it in and then there's blood like an m rated game).... The other one's for Contra, the famous 30 lives cheat, how could you not know that? Get a life. I guess you're too young too have played those games though....

Anyway, get an adapter for your ps3 that will let you hook up your NES and SEGA genesis controllers, put the MK blood code in on the one while your friend simultaneously puts in the contra code on the NES controller, they must be started and finished at the same time though, then bam, uncensored songs. Sort of like on Goldeneye where 2 people turn the key at the same time to unlock that door. It works, try it and tell me it doesn't, you can't.

[mememe]

That, and it's not a good idea to serve coffee that's hotter than napalm (which the coffee she received was). The real issue was McDonald's policy of making their coffee ridiculously hot to keep it warmer for longer (and thus save money by having to make less).

Not only that, but the woman originally asked only for them to cover medical expenses, which McDonald's refused to do. And you people get pissy about Wal-Mart.

Anyway, I'm glad you brought it up. It always irks me when people use that as an example of a frivolous lawsuit.

This is why we love the internet and hate it so very much at the same time....

[Vilius]

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Yeah C. On the genesis controller.... Any real gamer knows that's the blood code for the original Mortal Kombat, damn (you put it in and then there's blood like an m rated game).... The other one's for Contra, the famous 30 lives cheat, how could you not know that? Get a life. I guess you're too young too have played those games though....

Anyway, get an adapter for your ps3 that will let you hook up your NES and SEGA genesis controllers, put the MK blood code in on the one while your friend simultaneously puts in the contra code on the NES controller, they must be started and finished at the same time though, sort of like on Goldeneye where 2 people turn the key at the same time to unlock that door. It works, try it and tell me it doesn't, you can't.

oh, ok. I personally would have gone with Contra, as everyone (including me)knows that code, but whatever. Carry on!

[CantStopTheHopp]

Honestly, what is so bad about these few words?

Frank Zappa simply could not have said it better in this Crossfire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

"What we're arguing about here is words."

I've watched the first 10 minutes of that clip, and I've come to the conclusion that Frank Zappa is the man.

[mememe]

oh, ok. I personally would have gone with Contra, as everyone (including me)knows that code, but whatever. Carry on!

..... I did go with contra..... If you know it then why didn't you recognize it?

I said:

A, B, A, C, A, B, B. Alternatively- up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A. Remember it.

[doogoshly]

You are a pretty funny guy! I'm sure you enjoy lying to people on a daily basis.

Also, C? Really?

calm down dude. get the stick out of your ass.

[Mex]

calm down dude. get the stick out of your ass.

He seemed pretty calm to me.

[Daedrian]

Honestly, what is so bad about these few words?

Frank Zappa simply could not have said it better in this Crossfire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

"What we're arguing about here is words."

I have to agree with the 800 year old dudes in this video. Thank you harmonix for protecting me from hearing the 7 deadly words. If I were to hear these words (for what would certainly be the first time in my life) I might turn in to some sort of incestuous nazi loving baby killer. Thank you for sparing me from this awful fate.

[Flipscore]

I have to agree with the 800 year old dudes in this video. Thank you harmonix for protecting me from hearing the 7 deadly words. If I were to hear these words (for what would certainly be the first time in my life) I might turn in to some sort of incestuous nazi loving baby killer. Thank you for sparing me from this awful fate.


Harmonix is not protecting you from anything. Anything.

They are protecting themselves.

No one cares what you want to hear and no one cares what you think you should hear. There is one thing that matters: What HMX wants to put in (or take out of) the songs they licensed. Especially with the blessings of the Artists of those songs.

Since it is their game and they are the ones paying the money to get these songs you can do one of two things: Either accept that HMX wants to protect themselves and release a censored version (which really has no effect on you at all) or not buy Rock Band Products.

HMX is not willing to lose potential millions in commercial sales because you want to hear Sir Psycho Sexy (in all it's idiocy) completely uncensored.

[David2380]

not trying to put you parenting down, or anything.

but if your kid is 11, trust me when hes not around you and when hes around his friends he curses.

but unrelated to that.

i think nothing should be censored. ratings im okay with because it tells people, what to expect from it, but censoring is stupid. especially on the radio. *****, ass, and many other words can be said but shi*t can't?

shi*t means garbage, generally.

yet your allowed to use ***** to put down a gender?

i dont get it same with TV

you can use the n-word on tv which puts down an entire race of people.

but u cant say shi*t which means garbage

sounds ******ed to me doesnt it?

who the hell is allowed to use the n word on tv? Imus did on the radio and was canned...listen if you don't want censorship than that should cover everything...Which means no one has the right to whine and complain when thier sensitive little feelings get hurt...and right now, in this PC country that isn't the case.

[David2380]

topic has been covered numerous times, I personally would love an m rated rock band game, but I don't really mind. Sometimes they overdo it though. Seriously, taking the word down out of you ougta know is kind of overboard. I usually just sing the missing lyric if I'm singing. Kids cuss more in halo than most adults. I had a pretty filthy mouth in middle school/high school myself. The rating system is for parents who don't even play the games b/c they are incapable of telling their brats they can't play a game with cussing in it. But whatever, tis the american way.

not really true..I am a parent and play RB with my 8 year old often, but I also like that the game is cencored. If the dlc had a rating then I could decide what to purchase I'd be fine with that...but the music on the game disc itself MUST be cencored.

[thenavigator]

I'm only pissed about this issue 'cause I wouldn't have wasted the two bucks on Sir Psycho Sexy if I knew just how much they were gonna censor it. Taking out whole verses seems a leeeeetle excessive. A heads up in the song description on XBox Marketplace or the song store is all it would take.

[Shashakiro]

The censoring in Good Mourning/Black Friday is the most amusing case of it, I think.

I guess spelling out "Wtf is this?" is worse for the kiddies than the verse that very graphically describes the murder and mutilation of a human body, eh? *rolls eyes*

Honestly, I can't really understand that one. Is ANY parent who is bothered by the child hearing the F-word NOT going to be bothered by the rest of the song?

[mememe]

The censoring in Good Mourning/Black Friday is the most amusing case of it, I think.

I guess spelling out "Wtf is this?" is worse for the kiddies than the verse that very graphically describes the murder and mutilation of a human body, eh? *rolls eyes*

Honestly, I can't really understand that one. Is ANY parent who is bothered by the child hearing the F-word NOT going to be bothered by the rest of the song?

BLACK FRIDAAAAYYYYYY

PAINT THE DEVIL ON THE WALL!