REAL EMO for rock band DLC

[bierfaht]

everyone keeps talking about my chemical romance or fall out boy as if that is emo, and all it really is is pop punk with crappy lyrics about girls. the older heads remember the mid-late nineties with bands that would not be classified as "emo" today. let's add it in. interesting and fun to play parts for all musicians!

Sunny Day Real Estate: a great singer with introspective lyrics and an amazing vocal range. guitars that range from quiet and jangly to as heavy as their seattle neighbors. basslines that don't just follow the guitar, and an amazing drummer who got kicked out of the foo fighters because dave grohl is a control freak. Awesome!

Seven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMkH6xi6-Og
In Circles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDSsh7Ocv8o

Braid: great lyrics (not the most talented vocalists, but would be fun) crazy, jazz-like time changes and a really really talented drummer.

The New Nathan Detroits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07VHWzx_EPc

myspace (several other songs)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=51320561

The Promise Ring: they ended up getting really poppy, but their songs are fun to sing along to and bop around your room. you know you want to!

Why did we ever meet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srU0xhkfIFw

Is this thing on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFU_BzD2gIY
Mineral: a bit softer than the other 2, with drawn out vocals and clean guitars building up to powerful crescendos

Gloria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xDQ-kWuFl4
Parking Lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_M2fJTueM

[Verditude]

Does The Dillinger Escape Plan qualify as real emo?

[bierfaht]

Does The Dillinger Escape Plan qualify as real emo?

i would say more like math metal or metalcore, but not emo

[Dr. Wagner]

Can't stand today's emo kids, however I do acknowledge "emo" has gotten a very bad rap because of crappy Hot Topic bands like MCR and FOB. Does the OP consider The Get Up Kids to be real emo?

[csjbosa]

Fugazi Ftw!!!!!!!

[bierfaht]

Can't stand today's emo kids, however I do acknowledge "emo" has gotten a very bad rap because of crappy Hot Topic bands like MCR and FOB. Does the OP consider The Get Up Kids to be real emo?

i actually got the idea to do this thread from the get up kids thread! i love 4 minute mile, but i liked their music less and less as they changed. i don't blame them, doing the same thing gets old, but their newer stuff didn't hit me like 4 min mile

+
fugazi is hard to place. are the emo, indie, punk rock, or a combo of all 3? i love fugazi as i mentioned on the fugazi thread, but i dont know if ian would ever approve of their music in a game nevermind one that is branded with the MTV logo.

[leftover_crack]

Can't stand today's emo kids, however I do acknowledge "emo" has gotten a very bad rap because of crappy Hot Topic bands like MCR and FOB. Does the OP consider The Get Up Kids to be real emo?

mcr is the best emo band


emo is hated because of bands like paramore and underoath

[BhindBluEyes430]

No
10char

edit: only 31 more posts to go :)

Emo smily face :(

[bierfaht]

mcr is the best emo band


emo is hated because of bands like paramore and underoath

the same guy who epically said the ramones are not punk says MCR is emo?
:D

figures! my chemical romance are a punk rock band with queen/goth undertones, but they still are a punk band.

i said it in another thread, but its hard to not be prejudiced but whenever i check the profile of someone bloviating out their heinies, they end up being 15 years old.......:

[Jglaubman]

MCR is not emo.

[leftover_crack]

oh and what is it that u call punk with goth undertones?

[Jordanonfire]

Paramore emo? LOL.

Emo isn't even a real genre of music. It's just a tag people use in assoctiation with bands that sound certain ways, whether the subject be the singer's voice or the band's overall musical sound, because they don't know what genre to call the band in question. It's all qualified under the broad genre of music that is known as Rock, but people are so used to Rock being used for certain types of music anything foreign sounding is odd and out of place.

[TimeSplitter]

Fugazi Ftw!!!!!!!

Yes.
10 Char.

[Dr. Wagner]

Fugazi is not emo. Punk, indie or post-hardcore yes, emo no.

[leftover_crack]

Fugazi is not emo. Punk, indie or post-hardcore yes, emo no.

fugazi inspired emo

[Runesmith]

Rites of Spring and At the Drive-In would work pretty well in Rock Band. If GH:WT was able to secure the rights to "One-Armed Scissor", I'm sure HMX could at least get something by Drive-In. Original emo, in addition to ska, goth, and hair metal, are a glaring omission from RB's song list.

I'd also love to see something by Fugazi on here eventually, but as Bierfaht said, I doubt Mr. MacKaye would be willing to liscense their music out to a video game. Here's hoping Ian might be receptive to the idea if HMX ever did decide to approach him.

[camero1970]

Srry man, but u got ur FOb, no more Emo, everyone knows thats the worst type of music next to rap. srry

[TheCheckeredDemon]

Srry man, but u got ur FOb, no more Emo, everyone knows thats the worst type of music next to rap. srry

You fail at posting. Just go cut your hands off please.

Paramore, Fall Out Boy, MCR, AFI =/= Emo. Why do people suck at thinking?

[darthjudicar]

Srry man, but u got ur FOb, no more Emo, everyone knows thats the worst type of music next to rap. srry

You're missing the point of this thread. Fall Out Boy is not emo, but rather a poprock group trying to capitalize on the current popularity of "emo" as a buzzword in the music industry. This topic is about real emo bands that should be in the game.

[camero1970]

You fail at posting. Just go cut your hands off please.

Paramore, Fall Out Boy, MCR, AFI =/= Emo. Why do people suck at thinking?


You're missing the point of this thread. Fall Out Boy is not emo, but rather a poprock group trying to capitalize on the current popularity of "emo" as a buzzword in the music industry. This topic is about real emo bands that should be in the game.


And you see the fact that i did not acknowledge them. MCR is good. but paramore, FOB AFI. its a branch of emo, like rock n roll, u get rock, heavy rock, Metal, Arena rock, alternative, they are just branches. The fact is Emo is terrible, do you know another reason why we have emo, one band from the 80s, THE CURE!, and they sucked ***. Think about it, Emo is terrible then, and still is. and another reason we have it is because we had a bunch of kids who were depressed, and wanted to make something of music cause they thought they were rebels. Call it what you want. emo isnt music. Sorry its like Rap, its just a phase.

[leftover_crack]

the cure is ****ing amazing

one of the only good bands from the 80's

[camero1970]

WTF, they sucked, and there were hundreds of great bands from the 80s. Heres a list.

Nirvana
Guns N roses
Collective Soul
Mettalica
skid Row
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
The Cars
Judus Priest
Alice in chains

I can go on.

[Runesmith]

And you see the fact that i did not acknowledge them. MCR is good. but paramore, FOB AFI. its a branch of emo, like rock n roll, u get rock, heavy rock, Metal, Arena rock, alternative, they are just branches. The fact is Emo is terrible, do you know another reason why we have emo, one band from the 80s, THE CURE!, and they sucked ***. Think about it, Emo is terrible then, and still is. and another reason we have it is because we had a bunch of kids who were depressed, and wanted to make something of music cause they thought they were rebels. Call it what you want. emo isnt music. Sorry its like Rap, its just a phase.

Subjective post is subjective.

While you may not personally like The Cure (and that is perfectly fine), they are still one of the most innovative and influential alternative bands to come out of the 80s post-punk explosion. I do agree, though, that the recent explosion of these "third wave Emo" (whatever that's supposed mean) groups is a phase that will just be limited to the 2000s. Mainstream emo will probably die a quick but painful death by the end of the decade, only to be replaced with music that is more in-line with the original genre when it was still mostly underground.

[camero1970]

Thank you, same thing with Rap, and when i say rap, i dont mean including Rock Rap, we want that, RATM for life

[BuRn7 CaK3]

actually if youreally want to be serious. Rock Band does have emo in it. Every song is Emotional. Every Song ever written is really Emo. And no, Emo isnt just sadness.

[camero1970]

Ohh my god. He did not just say that. Im pretty sure you just compared EVERY SONG EVER TO EMO.. AND NO IT DOESNT, emo means emotional. Not in the sence like, being mad, hateful, happy, i mean emo being, SAD, DEPRESSED, HATED. you my friend, have just phailed.

[Dave Redhair]

WTF, they sucked, and there were hundreds of great bands from the 80s. Heres a list.

Nirvana
Guns N roses
Collective Soul
Mettalica
skid Row
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
The Cars
Judus Priest
Alice in chains

I can go on.
and you my friend have won the idiot award today!!

your List that you said was 80's bands:
Nirvana (90's)
Guns N roses
Collective Soul (90's)
Mettalica (you can't spell)
skid Row
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
The Cars (70's)
Judus Priest (Still can't spell)
Alice in chains (90's)

so to lose the Idiot of the day award you must come up with something not completely bonehead!

[bierfaht]

Srry man, but u got ur FOb, no more Emo, everyone knows thats the worst type of music next to rap. srry


It Impossible to have Real emo, Because HMX never came out with a KNIFE CONTROLLER TO CUT YOURSELF AND BLAME THE WORLD!

Here's a novel approach:
READ THE ACTUAL POST BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF YOUR UNINFORMED "OPINION"

thank you.
and now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

[bierfaht]

Watch your mouth son! I hope they close this thread. It is Horrible and only whinny little Bit**** like this. I like AFI but they are not Emo They are Post-Punk NOT e-m-o!!

BTW don't do it...Drop the Knife!! You don't need to cut yourself because your a lazy bum!

{bangs head against the wall....}
dude, it is painfully obvious that you did not read the original topic, and came here spouting off your preconceived notions of what "emo" music is, and you cannot get it out of your head that you are WRONG. it has nothing to do with feeling sad or cutting your wrists, or that garbage. if anything, that type of stuff was associated with goth culture and music, not "emo"
open your brain and close your mouth, for just one minute,
you might learn something. :D

[rigmedic]

emo is ****

[Tralfmadorian]

Lifetime, imo.

[KillerIsMe]

The main problem with starting an Emo thread is that people will see the word "emo" and go berserk. Idiots.

Can't say I'm a big Emofan, whatever wave it is, but Sunny Day Real Estate are pretty good, would probably donwload some :)

[TheCheckeredDemon]

Everyone secretly loves emo music, and we all know it. It's just that some of us are less of a "closet music fan" than others.

[DJSeph]

im not gonna say anything but this in the thread!

Im tierd of arguing about emo music now so bye suckers xD

but yeah give us some emo and goth ;)

[afterstasis]

the glaring ignorance in this thread makes the clueless punk and metal threads look like utopias... it really drives me away from the thought of having some good emo tunes in the game just like it makes me fear the day we see genuine extreme metal or punk just because of the moronic statements i'll see plastered all over the internet.
oh well... i don't think moss icon would really translate well to the game anyhow, just like lurker of chalice and the black flag...

[MrHartgrave]

This is the worst idea EVER...

[camero1970]

and you my friend have won the idiot award today!!

your List that you said was 80's bands:
Nirvana (90's)
Guns N roses
Collective Soul (90's)
Mettalica (you can't spell)
skid Row
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
The Cars (70's)
Judus Priest (Still can't spell)
Alice in chains (90's)

so to lose the Idiot of the day award you must come up with something not completely bonehead!


LOl, your ****ing ******ed. Nirvans first Cd was in the 80s, to be exact, 1989and i did mess up on collective soul however as well as allice in chains, my mistake. The cars most music was in the 80's And i did spell judas priest and metalica wrong. My point being that there were better bands than the cure in the 80s. The cure sucks. just saying.

[Jordanonfire]

The way you spew your opinion as fact makes me cringe.
:\

[bierfaht]

Lifetime, imo.

i would love lifetime. they are one of my favorite bands. just not sure how they would translate though.

[BuRn7 CaK3]

Ohh my god. He did not just say that. Im pretty sure you just compared EVERY SONG EVER TO EMO.. AND NO IT DOESNT, emo means emotional. Not in the sence like, being mad, hateful, happy, i mean emo being, SAD, DEPRESSED, HATED. you my friend, have just phailed.

no you failed buddy. Emo = Emotional. Emotion consists of Happy, Confused, Weird, Sad, Angry, Excited, Depressed, hated, anything that your body feel like, ya know?

Why do people (i've had a friend) who only think that emo is the negative stuff. Its not.

[TuesdaysGone]

Judging by the results, REAL emo is not wanted by the majority in Rock Band.

[2pacchrist]

NO EMO for Rock Band! =D

[bierfaht]

Judging by the results, REAL emo is not wanted by the majority in Rock Band.

well, the majority did not want the pixies or the thrash pack or the scene pack or any number of niche artists that have been released, but they would be good for the game and there are people who would really enjoy them.

[Desensitized]

Rites Of Spring.

Real emo I bet most of the haters have never even heard.

[Desensitized]

well, the majority did not want the pixies or the thrash pack or the scene pack or any number of niche artists that have been released, but they would be good for the game and there are people who would really enjoy them.Judging from some of these posts, most people didn't even read the thread.

[l-o-t]

the poll results make me laugh!

[bierfaht]

Rites Of Spring.

Real emo I bet most of the haters have never even heard.

i would love "for want of" by rites of spring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge8ucvLYLRc

[YCFan282]

people hear the term emo are think it was always what it is today, but don't realize what it started out as. i think we need REAL emo pack to prove it.

Little League-Cap'n Jazz
Is This Thing On?-The Promise Ring
Waiting Room-Fugazi
In Circles-Sunny Day Real Estate
Holiday-The Get Up Kids

[Pennsylvanian]

Alkaline Trio is always good. They're one of the few popular "emo" bands that are still liked by indie/punk kids. Snake Oil Tanker would be a blast on bass.

[bierfaht]

people hear the term emo are think it was always what it is today, but don't realize what it started out as. i think we need REAL emo pack to prove it.

Little League-Cap'n Jazz
Is This Thing On?-The Promise Ring
Waiting Room-Fugazi
In Circles-Sunny Day Real Estate
Holiday-The Get Up Kids

can you imagine what people would say about the cap'n jazz vocals though? i would love to play them, especially "oh, messy life" but i can hear the complaining now...

[jacobfoo7]

I'm glad to see Sunny Day Real Estate is getting some love :D
but I am not sure if they are emo,
but Glassjaw would be awesome on here
like cosmopolitian bloodloss and ape dos mil
and maybe Brand New
that would be neat :D

[bierfaht]

I'm glad to see Sunny Day Real Estate is getting some love :D
but I am not sure if they are emo,
but Glassjaw would be awesome on here
like cosmopolitian bloodloss and ape dos mil
and maybe Brand New
that would be neat :D

one of these days, i'm going to get around to putting up a comprehensive glassjaw/head automatica for DLC post. i love both bands.

[darthjudicar]

I'm glad to see Sunny Day Real Estate is getting some love :D
but I am not sure if they are emo,
but Glassjaw would be awesome on here
like cosmopolitian bloodloss and ape dos mil
and maybe Brand New
that would be neat :D

Sunny Day Real Estate was pretty much the poster child of the second wave of emo.

[afterstasis]

people hear the term emo are think it was always what it is today, but don't realize what it started out as. i think we need REAL emo pack to prove it.

Little League-Cap'n Jazz
Is This Thing On?-The Promise Ring
Waiting Room-Fugazi
In Circles-Sunny Day Real Estate
Holiday-The Get Up Kids

those bands would do very little to prove what emo originally was, though... maybe a pack with moss icon, antioch arrow, and samiam? lots of variety between those three bands, yet much more reflective of how things used to be...

[bierfaht]

those bands would do very little to prove what emo originally was, though... maybe a pack with moss icon, antioch arrow, and samiam? lots of variety between those three bands, yet much more reflective of how things used to be...

well, bands like moss icon or angel hair would be fun for maybe drums and guitar, but i can already hear the complaining about vocals... i just think as a genre that fits the game better, that 2nd wave with SDRE would be more fun to play..

[afterstasis]

well, bands like moss icon or angel hair would be fun for maybe drums and guitar, but i can already hear the complaining about vocals... i just think as a genre that fits the game better, that 2nd wave with SDRE would be more fun to play..

oh, i totally agree. i was just referencing the statement the dude made before posting his setlist...

[bierfaht]

Cap'n Jazz: Little League
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipsjDHYu3jA

Cap'n Jazz: Oh, messy life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BRULUXqlI&feature=related

[mrpogi23]

i want my SDRE/promise ring/mineral/Texas is the Reason DLC... harmonix make it happen

[House Of Wolves]

Sunny Day Real.

[afterstasis]

a blast from the past, and i was rude to bierfaht... sorry dude.

i do enjoy SDRE and braid, by the way, and would like to see them in the game.

[Plan B]

I'm not going to bother reading all 7 pages, as they are most likely filled with people who don't know what emo is, arguing over bands like My Chemical Romance... I'm just going to go ahead and say that we need the inclusion of:

Circle Takes The Square

AND

Pg.99

[afterstasis]

I'm not going to bother reading all 7 pages, as they are most likely filled with people who don't know what emo is, arguing over bands like My Chemical Romance... I'm just going to go ahead and say that we need the inclusion of:

Circle Takes The Square

AND

Pg.99

i second that request, even though back when pg.99 sent me copies of their first two 7"'s i gave them both pretty bad reviews in the zine i was writing for at the time...
luckily, they got a lot better and i even warmed up to some of that older material over time. :)

[Plan B]

Yeah, it took me a bit longer to get into their older material, as well.

I'll tell ya, though! I'm freaking excited for Circle Takes The Square's new album "II".

[rocketmanpwns]

Funeral For A Friend?

[Plan B]

Funeral For A Friend?

....that's not emo...

[Nourez]

mcr is the best emo band


emo is hated because of bands like paramore and underoath

MCR is Punk Rock or Alt. Rock, definatly not emo. Their early stuff had a bit of metal influence in it as well. Paramore and underoath are more pop punk or powerpop. Also, Paramore is actually a pretty good band, underoath is objectionable. But back on topic, I would definatly like to see all of the bands that you listed in game. Also, Clarity era Jimmy Eat World would be fantastic.

[Rev0lver]

I'm going to guess about 90% of the people who voted "they all suck" ignored the videos and assumed Sunny Day Real Estate is some sort of Fall Out Boy ripoff band.

[FarCry2112]

i want screamo....blessthefall,escape the fate, senses fail.....and underoath is no emo theyre post-hardcore christian....dont ask they have so many genre but they would b great for the game

[YCFan282]

sunny day real estate, fugazi, the promise ring, cap'n jazz, the get up kids

all good choices

[Ninja fight all]

MCR is Punk Rock or Alt. Rock, definatly not emo. Their early stuff had a bit of metal influence in it as well. Paramore and underoath are more pop punk or powerpop. Also, Paramore is actually a pretty good band, underoath is objectionable. But back on topic, I would definatly like to see all of the bands that you listed in game. Also, Clarity era Jimmy Eat World would be fantastic.

Totally agree about Jimmy Eat World. I love all JEW and would like to see anything by them, and their early stuff was VERY emo and they were heavily influenced by Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, and The Promise Ring. Static Prevails would fit particularly well, and some stuff from Clarity.

[BulletToothMatt]

Emo is some stupid word that someone made up. How can one say what is emo and what is not emo. There is no textbook example of what is emo so how can you say a certain band is not emo. Bands that maybe considered in the emo category that I would love to see in Rock Band? I would really love to play Anberlin, Jimmy Eat World (Stuff from futures or Chase this light) The Early November, The Academy Is..., Mae, and some Old Yellowcard.

[rocketmanpwns]

....that's not emo...

Waahh? I would say there more emo then all american rejects or 30 seconds to mars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yx_rb4BwYQ

[afterstasis]

Emo is some stupid word that someone made up. How can one say what is emo and what is not emo. There is no textbook example of what is emo so how can you say a certain band is not emo.

typically, people consider the beginning of a genre a reference point... in the case of emo that would refer to bands such as moss icon, rites of spring, embrace, gray matter, etc.

if a band has nothing in common with any of those bands (or even worse, doesn't even know they exist) then i would say that they are probably not emo.

[Angel-Jin]

typically, people consider the beginning of a genre a reference point... in the case of emo that would refer to bands such as moss icon, rites of spring, embrace, gray matter, etc.

if a band has nothing in common with any of those bands (or even worse, doesn't even know they exist) then i would say that they are probably not emo.

that's not Emo either. Hawthorne Heights did a huge huge write-up on the origins of the Emo genre because of the attacks and generalizations they were getting....turns out it's some kind of synth craze from the 80's and not much anything to do with Rock.

and to the person that said MCR isn't "emo", you should listen to anything pre-Black Parade.

[Plan B]

Waahh? I would say there more emo then all american rejects or 30 seconds to mars.

I never once said that either of those bands were Emo. If you'd like to hear some actual Emo bands check out the following:

Circle Takes The Square
Pg. 99
City Of Caterpillar
Moss Icon
Sinking Steps Rising Eyes
Light For Nero
Rites Of Spring

Now, listen to those, then listen to the bands you think are Emo, then compare the two...

[afterstasis]

that's not Emo either. Hawthorne Heights did a huge huge write-up on the origins of the Emo genre because of the attacks and generalizations they were getting....turns out it's some kind of synth craze from the 80's and not much anything to do with Rock.


i'm afraid you're completely wrong.
i can think of very few emo bands who used any synthesizer at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo

[WingsOfSteel]

Clarity-era Jimmy Eat World would be pretty cool.

[Angel-Jin]

i'm afraid you're completely wrong.
i can think of very few emo bands who used any synthesizer at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo


Hawthorne Heights did a huge huge write-up on the origins of the Emo genre

thank you and goodnight

[exittoanywhere]

Promise ring.
Cap'n Jazz.
get up kids.


3 pack ftw.


respect for mineral tho.
sad to see they only have 2 votes right now.

[afterstasis]

thank you and goodnight

i'm afraid repeating yourself didn't get us anywhere.
emo still has nothing to do with synthesizers, regardless of what hawthorne heights says.

[exittoanywhere]

i'm afraid repeating yourself didn't get us anywhere.
emo still has nothing to do with synthesizers, regardless of what hawthorne heights says.

almost feel sad for hawthorne heights.

[Pennsylvanian]

It's weird how Rites of Spring was called "emo" when they were big (One of the first bands to be called emo I think), and they sound nothing like a lot of what's called emo today.

[bwschulze]

I watched all the videos, and I am not a fan. The guys that aren't the vocalist are fine with Sunny Day. The singer would get on my nerves. I wouldn't purchase any of it if it were DLC. I would get Glassjaw, but I don't see that as emo.

[Angel-Jin]

i'm afraid repeating yourself didn't get us anywhere. emo still has nothing to do with synthesizers, regardless of what hawthorne heights says.

ding ding ding ding ding!


anyways music genres suck anyway. there's no way that what Ozzy Osbourne has done and what The Red Chord are doing can be in the same genre. it seems like genres change every few years or they just create a new "sub-genre"

[Mystlyfe77]

Before I'm jumped for "not reading the thread" or being ignorant or whatever, let me tell you I read every post, I have several friends who are big into emo, screamo, post-hardcore, and indie, and I grew up outside of DC where a lot of the "original" emo and hardcore bands started and prospered.

My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, AFI, and New Found Glory are all definitely emo. Now that I got your attention (and likely your rage), I'll explain why.

Genres are not concrete, just like music, they change with time. While many "hardcore" (not in reference to the genre) fans of emo will complain and illustrate why they don't feel these mainstream bands are emo, the cultural mass a whole has come to think of them as such. Just like punk fans had to deal with the post-Greenday "pop-punk" and metal fans had to deal with the post-Korn "Nü Metal", you know have to deal with MCR and NFG's "pop-emo" "third wave" movement. While different (and much more mainstream and poppy) than the bands you love, it's become fused to, and part of, your genre. You'll have to learn to accept it, especially as time goes on, else risk looking like a stubborn, ignorant buffoon. If you're lucky, time will forget this movements association with your genre, and give it a new name. Similar to the ever growing distance between "glam" and "metal."

To give an example not related to music, look at the word "gay." We all know the story about how it's meaning has evolved over time. If someone wrote a theme song for a cartoon now that ended in the line "you'll have a gay old time!" they'd get sued in a heartbeat (provided it wasn't being shown on [adult swim]). The same principle applies to genres. What emo meant 10 (or even 5) years ago isn't the same as what it means today, and won't be the same as what it means 5, 10, 15 or 20 years from now.

Whether you like it or not, popular culture has made these bands (and with some amount of just cause) part of your genre.

[Angel-Jin]

...can we be friends?

[afterstasis]

Whether you like it or not, popular culture has made these bands (and with some amount of just cause) part of your genre.

just as a majority's opinion may shape a band like fallout boy into emo for one group, there are still those of us who have a different viewpoint and may not accept their views as law.

i'm not the type to argue whether or not a band is emo, metal, or punk but i'm also not the type to accept what the uninformed mainstream has determined about a style of music that i was into well before they took notice of it.

[Mystlyfe77]

just as a majority's opinion may shape a band like fallout boy into emo for one group, there are still those of us who have a different viewpoint and may not accept their views as law.

i'm not the type to argue whether or not a band is emo, metal, or punk but i'm also not the type to accept what the uninformed mainstream has determined about a style of music that i was into well before they took notice of it.

I'm not trying to justify the uniformed hatred of the genre either. That's a far worse offense than not accepting the pop form of the genre. Just because the other bands associated with your genre suck, doesn't mean that the originators do.

[elfreako]

Is this thread a mirror dimension version of a "we need real metal" thread?

[afterstasis]

I'm not trying to justify the uniformed hatred of the genre either. That's a far worse offense than not accepting the pop form of the genre. Just because the other bands associated with your genre suck, doesn't mean that the originators do.

i'm not talking about the quality of the bands... i'm talking about the way they sound.

none of the bands you mentioned sound anything at all to me like the bands that i consider emo, so i don't consider them emo.
if other people want to, that's their business. i personally have never met anyone who was familiar with the way emo used to sound who considered the current popular bands being labeled "emo" to be part of the genre.

i agree with you that genres can shift in both sound and message as time goes on, but the change from bands like moss icon to my chemical romance doesn't seem like a shift at all to me... more like a name being slapped onto something due to misunderstandings, ignorance of the genre's past, and weird internet-slang.

also, do any of these bands even consider themselves emo or have any emo influences? i'm pretty sure i read on this forum that one of the guys from MCR either denied emo's existence or pretty much just took a crap all over the genre in an interview.

[afterstasis]

Is this thread a mirror dimension version of a "we need real metal" thread?

we need real noise! this sonic youth stuff ain't cutting it! give us prurient and hair police! :)

[Mystlyfe77]

Is this thread a mirror dimension version of a "we need real metal" thread?

Not really. There is, unquestionably, "real metal" in the game. Additionally metal is better understood (although still very often misunderstood) and a much much much MUCH larger genre than emo. There are a multitude of sub-genres of metal, which emo is itself a sub-genre. If there was a "we need real Black Metal" thread or something like that, it might apply.

[Mystlyfe77]

i'm not talking about the quality of the bands... i'm talking about the way they sound.

none of the bands you mentioned sound anything at all to me like the bands that i consider emo, so i don't consider them emo.
if other people want to, that's their business. i personally have never met anyone who was familiar with the way emo used to sound who considered the current popular bands being labeled "emo" to be part of the genre.

i agree with you that genres can shift in both sound and message as time goes on, but the change from bands like moss icon to my chemical romance doesn't seem like a shift at all to me... more like a name being slapped onto something due to misunderstandings, ignorance of the genre's past, and weird internet-slang.

also, do any of these bands even consider themselves emo or have any emo influences? i'm pretty sure i read on this forum that one of the guys from MCR either denied emo's existence or pretty much just took a crap all over the genre in an interview.

Ask a Punk fan if Blink 182 sounds anything like the Sex Pistols or a metal fan if Limp Bizkit sounds anything like Judas Priest.
While those on the "inside" of a movement can hear what they perceive as very apparent differences between these bands, those on the outside hear what they perceive as very apparent similarities.
I'm not sure about all of the bands, but I know that some do and some don't. MCR has rejected the emo label on multiple occasions and basically **** all over the genre. But Metallica also rejected the thrash label once upon a time too though.

Ultimately I'm not really suggesting that these bands sound exactly the same as "real emo," just that they have become locked with the genre. They are more "pop-emo" than they are "emo," but either way they are now part of the genre.

[Reebbo]

how is braid not winning this poll...


what the hell guys.

[afterstasis]

how is braid not winning this poll...


what the hell guys.

it's a shame. :(

[Plan B]

how is braid not winning this poll...


what the hell guys.

Because people who have never heard any actual Emo, keep checking the "None, They All Suck" box...

[elfreako]

Because people who have never heard any actual Emo, keep checking the "None, They All Suck" box...

Well perhaps you shouldn't persist in trying to label bands and just list their names? "Emo" has become a synonym of lame. Just stop using the word?

My prefered music style use to have a name. "Alternative" got highjacked by sub-par cookie cutter "new rock" bands during the 90s. They're doing it to us again with the "Indie" appelation. Just stop hanging on to meaningless labels and enjoy good music.

That's what I meant with the "real metal" reference.

[Rev0lver]

anyways music genres suck anyway. there's no way that what Ozzy Osbourne has done and what The Red Chord are doing can be in the same genre. it seems like genres change every few years or they just create a new "sub-genre"

Ozzy and The Red Chord are not in the same genre at all. TRC=deathcore, Ozzy=heavy metal. Both are a type of metal, but Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both "rock" bands as well, just seperated by sub-genres. The genre itself never changed. Emo, however, is a different situation.

[afterstasis]

Well perhaps you shouldn't persist in trying to label bands and just list their names? "Emo" has become a synonym of lame. Just stop using the word?

My prefered music style use to have a name. "Alternative" got highjacked by sub-par cookie cutter "new rock" bands during the 90s. They're doing it to us again with the "Indie" appelation. Just stop hanging on to meaningless labels and enjoy good music.

That's what I meant with the "real metal" reference.

i agree. though i get sucked into lots of debates about genre on the forums i'm definitely relaxed about it.
i enjoy the discussion and informing people about music is awesome (even if they just scoff at you when you tell them that marilyn manson isn't post-punk and they should check out joy division), but people who get upset about it are indeed kinda frightening.

[hmxhenry]

Can't we, like, just do away with all the labels, man?

[afterstasis]

Can't we, like, just do away with all the labels, man?

no! my music has nothing to say so i must rely on a genre-tag to say it for me! :p

[benson111]

Can't we, like, just do away with all the labels, man?

Yea why cant it just be, like, just rock on ??

Get your rock on.....rock on....:D

[elfreako]

i agree. though i get sucked into lots of debates about genre on the forums i'm definitely relaxed about it.
i enjoy the discussion and informing people about music is awesome (even if they just scoff at you when you tell them that marilyn manson isn't post-punk and they should check out joy division), but people who get upset about it are indeed kinda frightening.

The main problem with genres is that they are not absolute, and no single band fits one category exclusively, yet you'll always get folks who beleive what their conception of a genre is the absolute truth, and of course that definition only includes bands they enjoy. You get even more folks that will dismiss certain genres altogether. This thread illustrates that perfectly.

In brief, the right approach is to use labels (plural) to define a band, and not bands to define a label.

[hmxhenry]

no! my music has nothing to say so i must rely on a mind boggling series of made up core suffixes and nonsense sub genre-tags to say it for me! :p

I dream of the day I can just walk into a record store and just have everything arranged alphabetically. The albums don't even have to be on shelves. THey can just be in a big pile and I'll sift through. Honest. Tags like this just complicate things.

[elfreako]

Can't we, like, just do away with all the labels, man?

Or even briefer! lol

[elfreako]

I dream of the day I can just walk into a record store and just have everything arranged alphabetically. The albums don't even have to be on shelves. THey can just be in a big pile and I'll sift through. Honest. Tags like this just complicate things.

They sell albums in record stores? Wow, what a strange concept. I thought it was all cell phones, DVDs and silly videogames now.

[afterstasis]

I dream of the day I can just walk into a record store and just have everything arranged alphabetically. The albums don't even have to be on shelves. THey can just be in a big pile and I'll sift through. Honest. Tags like this just complicate things.

do they have goodwill stores in boston? :)

[Plan B]

Well perhaps you shouldn't persist in trying to label bands and just list their names? "Emo" has become a synonym of lame. Just stop using the word?

Maybe that wouldn't have happened, had people actually taken a little time and found out what actual Emo is.


I dream of the day I can just walk into a record store and just have everything arranged alphabetically. The albums don't even have to be on shelves. THey can just be in a big pile and I'll sift through. Honest. Tags like this just complicate things.

That would be nice.

[Danarchy99]

mcr is the best emo band


emo is hated because of bands like paramore and underoath


uhh are you high? emo is hated because of MCR and the used. i dont think paramore really falls into the emo catergory and underoath are pretty ****ing far from emo christian? maybe. metalcore? definatly. emo? uhh no. i expect more from a leftover crack fan .. even though choking victim is bounds better.

also get up kids would own, specifically mass pike or action and action. hell any of ther stuff except on a wire.

other "emo" bands to note. billy talent gets lumped in with that crap too so them and uhh glassjaw does as well, aslo emo kids have taken a liking to refused so some people consider them emo why? other than those i think blood brothers deserve a nod and so does saosin.

[Mystlyfe77]

Maybe that wouldn't have happened, had people actually taken a little time and found out what actual Emo is.


See my earlier posts.

[sitbooboosit]

They all suck. I'd rather listen to MCR or FOB any day, and I am not a fan of either.

[darthjudicar]

People here are just jealous that Sunny Day Real Estate could rock their faces off.

[afterstasis]

People here are just jealous that Sunny Day Real Estate could rock their faces off.

agreed.
if we can't get any of the old stuff, surely masters would be available for something like "guitar and video games", which would obviously be perfect for the game lyrically! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D_5hnK5JEI

[Meaty_Turtle]

Why do we need "real" EMO? Isn't fake EMO bad enough?

[rigmedic]

Why do we need "real" EMO? Isn't fake EMO bad enough?

+1

and this should be 10 chars

[drand]

I applaud you for making this thread.
its sad how many closed mined people there are. They'll tell you real emo sucks, but couldn't even name a real emo band, let alone know what any of them sound like

*sigh* SDRE would be awesome. I would buy any track by any artist classified as real emo, if only for the fact to educate my fans that emo used to be a good form of music 10-15 years ago before MTV got a hold of the term and made it apply to talentless pop punk.

[Plan B]

I applaud you for making this thread.
its sad how many closed mined people there are. They'll tell you real emo sucks, but couldn't even name a real emo band, let alone know what any of them sound like

My thoughts, exactly.

[Ninja fight all]

Why do we need "real" EMO? Isn't fake EMO bad enough?

do you know anything about real emo? today's emo isnt even a Genre of music anymore. its a style and a stereotype.

tell me how emo can be a sub-genre of rock if i have seen all of these listed as emo:

fall out boy
my chemical romance
the used
linkin park(this one is particularly weird)
dashboard confessional
jimmy eat world
plain white t's
panic at the disco

ya...not seeing how they can be part of the same genre. JEW was OLD, REAL emo, but they have evolved into modern alternative more than anything.

[ExpertDrummer]

They all suck.

:)

[Deathbeat]

How about old Jimmy Eat World?
Like Just Watch The Fireworks.

Or Fugazi or Rites of Spring or Cap'n Jazz.

[Gaiad]

Emo does not = Genre.

It's a social class, there's tons of things saying it's a genre of music, but that's bull.

[afterstasis]

Emo does not = Genre.

It's a social class, there's tons of things saying it's a genre of music, but that's bull.

a social class now? really?
please enlighten us all, gaiad...

[Plan B]

Emo does not = Genre.

It's a social class, there's tons of things saying it's a genre of music, but that's bull.

I hope you're not being serious.
If you are, though, I have to hear this...

[afterstasis]

I hope you're not being serious.
If you are, though, I have to hear this...

we can only hope he replies. my fingers are crossed very tightly.

[darthjudicar]

How about old Jimmy Eat World?
Like Just Watch The Fireworks.

Or Fugazi or Rites of Spring or Cap'n Jazz.

I love Fugazi, but I wouldn't really consider them emo.

[troywhalen]

You fail at posting. Just go cut your hands off please.

Paramore, Fall Out Boy, MCR, AFI =/= Emo. Why do people suck at thinking?

just go cut your wrist please

[darthjudicar]

just go cut your wrist please

Emo is a style of music, not a sad kid with scary hair like the media promotes these days.

[QB8Young]

FINCH! The first truely EMO band... most bands copied their style and that is when emo truely started.

[afterstasis]

FINCH! The first truely EMO band... most bands copied their style and that is when emo truely started.

please tell me you're joking.

[AlexJudoka51]

what about The Cure's Pornography? thats reaal depressing.

[kvzuky]

This is probably the best topic ever.

I'd really like some Hey Mercedes or Cap'n Jazz in rock band though, anything with Bob Nanna or one of the Kinsellas would be awesome.

Circle Takes The Square would be completely awesome, even though I guess they would fall more under screamo.

[thescreamingmeme]

id love some texas is the reason, sunny day real estate, sarge, mineral, and cross my heartttt
=]]]

[darthjudicar]

A while back, I voted for Sunny Day Real Estate in this thread. But, lately I just started listening to Rites of Spring and really love their stuff.

[bse523]

Please make sure all razor blades are cleaned and disinfected before listening to this crap.

[darthjudicar]

Please make sure all razor blades are cleaned and disinfected before listening to this crap.

Do you even know what emo music is? If you do, I've got no problem with your opinion, but otherwise you need to do your research.

[chris-redgrave]

How about this? Indie emo bands are good, major (Forgot the word) emo bands are overrated.

I dont care for emo, but I would love to see Chiodos on Rock Band.

[1993mic]

I would love to see some The Used and Story of the Year but is it emo?

[1993mic]

On Wikipedia they say yes but I don't know if I can trust that:confused:

[lightningryan]

My Chemical Romance IS better than all those bands hands down.

[Ultimatum]

Funeral Diner, Moss Icon, Rites of Spring, and Envy please.

[JasUchiha]

How about this? Indie emo bands are good, major (Forgot the word) emo bands are overrated.

I dont care for emo, but I would love to see Chiodos on Rock Band.
Chiodos would be cool

[gintoki55]

I've always wanted the song 'Seven' by SDRE. That song would be so amazing on drums and bass.

I don't even want it as DLC. I want it in the next game, on-disc, listed as 'EMO'. Why? So the uneducated people who hear the word 'emo' and say "omg who listens to dat bull FoB & MCR suck!!!!" will learn to respect the actual genre, not the pop-scene bastardization of it.

[painliesbeneath]

Thanks for making this thread. From reading all of the posts on this thread, people really don't read stuff and just vote according to what they've already heard.
They really do need to open up their minds a bit more and at least check out the songs posted at the beginning. Some people did but they're still saying it sucks probably for the same reason. They still think any type of emo sucks and they just have that in mind.

Here are some more real emo bands to listen to if you haven't already heard of them. I'm just posting because I haven't seen these bands mentioned in here.

Time Spent Driving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMN0k8f0HFQ
Glass Rose is also a good song to listen to.

Sunday's Best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPhxyceMt0
Without Meaning is a song you should check out but Don't let it Fade is also good.

Elliott:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-S-lSTyN3k
That's Calm Americans with the intro.
Though I was really looking for Waiting While Under Paralysis and Speed of Film. Those two songs are awesome.

Falling Forward:
http://www.myspace.com/fallingforwardmusicband
Myspace page with a few songs on it.

By A Thread:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.showvids&friendID=903113&n=903113
Awesome song though they have some songs on their myspace, I prefer their older stuff from The Last of the Daydreams album. Skin Deep is an awesome song.

Garrison:
http://www.myspace.com/garrisonisawesome
Serious Heavy Drama is good to listen to.

Park:
http://www.myspace.com/park
Clue Me In is a good one to listen to.

The Jazz June:
http://www.myspace.com/thejazzjune
Get On the Bus is a definite must listen. 8D

Eleventeen:
http://www.myspace.com/eleventeen
Come Clean and Sink With Me are awesome.

Drumkan:
http://www.myspace.com/drumkan
A good Japanese emo band. XD Something is a good song.

Anyway, if you take a listen to these bands, tell me what you think! :D

[jayou521]

For some reason I can't believe~ it says I voted the "they all suck" option. (what was I thinking :confused: )

I would definitely buy some Rites of Spring and Jawbreaker among others

[timmay9]

How about some SDRE, Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, etc?

Also, the amount of idiocy in this thread is astounding to say the least.

[sperine]

The first time I was ever handed music and told it was emo was when I was in middle school and a friend gave me a copy of Through Being Cool by Saves the Day. F***ing great album, although it never really fits in the same category as SDRE or The Promise Ring (before they blew it). I absolutely consider that emo, and want that whole album in the game.

It was nice to see the support for Clarity-era Jimmy Eat World. Its great that we have Lucky Denver Mint in the game now. I want at least another three pack with Your New Aesthetic, Crush, and Blister.

[LegendofRock3021]

I'm praying the Sunny Day Real Estate material released on RBN makes it to PS3, one of my most wanted bands for sure.

[jayou521]

I made a Cap'n Jazz thread a while back if anyone cares here's a link... :)

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180742


I'm praying the Sunny Day Real Estate material released on RBN makes it to PS3, one of my most wanted bands for sure.
I'm pretty sure you guys will get something from them~ can't wait until some SDRE is released.

I dunno whether they're real Emo or not (I recall seeing them labeled as such before), but "Tree Village (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSgHczMOHTc)" by Dance Gavin Dance is supposedly also in RBN playtesting. That song really reminds me a lot of The Fall of Troy~ which is a good thing~ so I should be looking into more of their material soon. Can't wait to grab that track and hopefully more from them is released.

[LegendofRock3021]

I'm pretty sure you guys will get something from them~ can't wait until some SDRE is released.

"Seven" was really popular in GH5, so I'm sure we'll see at least one of their songs.

[Lameboy19]

I voted they all suck? :confused:

that's not right... this is the first time I've seen this thread, and I LOVE emo music

[Dragonheart1991]

MCR, FoB etc are NOT EMO. SDRE though, are.

[Catscratch33]

Emo has evolved since its glory days and hey so has music so people need to stop pointing fingers and just stop complaining

[Lameboy19]

Emo has evolved since its glory days and hey so has music so people need to stop pointing fingers and just stop complaining

emo has stayed pretty much the same


calling a band like blessthefall or The Used screamo or emo is wrong there is no way around it, emo is emotive hardcore there is no way around it, just because a band has a new sound and the f*cks at rolling stone or AP decided to call it emo doesn't mean it is


emo bands like Snowing, Algernon Cadallawader, and Life at These Speeds have taken the Cap'n Jazz sound and stuck with it , this is why I say it hasn't technically evolved

[Ultimatum]

Emo has evolved since its glory days and hey so has music so people need to stop pointing fingers and just stop complaining

Uh, no, what people mostly refer to as Emo today is in no way, shape, or form related to actual Emo (which still exists) and is not a logical progression from it nor does it take any sort of influence from any preexisting Emo bands.

[darky2j]

um i'd like some good charlotte!!! ftw preferably the song (predictable) youtube it

[Indie_Guy]

um i'd like some good charlotte!!! ftw preferably the song (predictable) youtube it

Not emo.
At all.
I type like joekoll.

[Lameboy19]

um i'd like some good charlotte!!! ftw preferably the song (predictable) youtube it

not emo


but hopefully we get something like Braid or Christe Front Drive in RB3 (a long shot I know, most likely the closest thing to emo we'd get is early Jimmy Eat World)

[fatalfiend37]

aye ! Sunny Day Real Estate is not emo !

[illgreen]

MCR is not emo.

Are you sure(?) because I was actually going to ask if they count.
Eh, 5(REW it. I want MCR.

[afterstasis]

man, whatever happened to bierfaht? RIP BRO!

[ZosoBaron]

Hey, OP, do you think it would be at all possible for you to indicate that MCR and FOB are not emo in the title? Or are you still unable to do so?

[JackFr]

American Football. And **** all the people who said no emo. We don't mean the **** that people associate with the brand.

[DanStranger51]

At the Drive-In is the only True Emo band I have ever listened too on purpose. And they have plenty of music that would be perfect for RB. ATDI is far more Post-Hardcore than emo though.

Real Emo is such a strange topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emo_artists

[afterstasis]

whoa, blast from the past...
i see several names on the "they suck" list who i suspect have changed their tunes now that they've actually bothered to listen to the music... buncha' baddies.

[exploder]

I'd like more jimmy eat world

for some reason the game(and tons of other people) calls them pop

[Fizzeler]

I'll take some RoS definitely!

Also, yay! We now have SDRE!

[Saosin3679]

Emo has to be the worst genre Rock Band has created. Everyone classifies it differently and everyone has a problem with everyone else's classification. There are bands I would love to have added on here but they more then likely would end up in this genre.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Emo has to be the worst genre Rock Band has created.
Rock Band didn't create any genre.

[a_bull_on_parade]

Texas is the Reason: Back And To The Left
Mineral: Parking Lot
SDRE: Killed By An Angel
At The Drive-In: Arcarsenal
Embrace: Do Not Consider Yourself Free
The Get Up Kids: Ten Minutes
Jimmy Eat World: Seventeen
Midtown: Empty Like The Ocean
Christie Front Drive: Dirt
Samiam: She Found You

I could go on...I'll just assume that RBN is the only way we will ever see any of this.

[Lameboy19]

I never remember voting for "They all suck"

I'm also reviving this thread to make it very clear that there are only 2 emo songs in RB


TWO. AND THEY CAME FROM RBN.

and they are both from the same band, we need some goddamn representation up in here.

[LegendofRock3021]

I'm also reviving this thread to make it very clear that there are only 2 emo songs in RB


TWO. AND THEY CAME FROM RBN.

and they are both from the same band, we need some goddamn representation up in here.

We do have 3 Sunny Day Real Estate songs, but I couldn't agree more that we need more Emo in the game for sure.

[Lameboy19]

three? I just have In Circles and Seven

that's still far from a decent representation

[RedWiiKev]

+1

10 char

[clashcityrocker10]

+1

10 char

There's no more ten character limit, just to let you know.

In any case, I'd be up for these bands and some others in Rock Band.

[LegendofRock3021]

three? I just have In Circles and Seven

"Song about an Angel" is out as well, I still need to pick up that song.


that's still far from a decent representation

Preaching to the choir. :)