New Mad Catz Drum Set

[Rockbizzle]

So anyone know how the cymbal and high hat will work (other words how will they incorporate them into the game)? Also will the double bass petal play a part or will it just make the regular bass notes easier to play?

[CCDaDon]

um... there is no double bass pedal... theres one bass pedal and a hi hat pedal... the hi hat is, i believe, set to yellow and pressing the pedal will set it to red for songs that use red as the hi hat, if its not like that then its the other way around where its set to red and pressing it will set it to yellow... either way its not a bass pedal... and the other cymbal will be used for green notes...

[MarkHawk]

No official information has been released.

[davidshek]

So anyone know how the cymbal and high hat will work (other words how will they incorporate them into the game)? Also will the double bass petal play a part or will it just make the regular bass notes easier to play?

They (HMX) won't do anything to incorporate them into the game. They are there as extras. If you want to hit the right (crash) cymbal instead of the green pad to end a fill, you can. But you don't have to.

Same with the left (hi-hat) cymbal. If you want to use it for hi-hat notes, you can. But you don't have to.

And as CCDaDon already said, there is no double bass pedal. It's a hi-hat pedal. In the picture (drawing) that everybody has seen, it has a yellow stripe across it, leading me to believe that you could press it in place of tapping a yellow pad for hi-hat notes.

[InsoFox]

Looks awesome. But if I'm honest with myself I'm not sure I can justify something that BIG in my flat. The official drums are a bit of a stretch, as it is.

This is a MUCH better solution than GH4, though - give someone the *option* of playing a more complicated kit, they can still use the regular 4+bass set up if they choose.

[HellishFiend]

This explanation is a little more complicated than I was hoping for, but hopefully its easy enough for everyone to understand:

If the hi-hat pedal works the way it would in a real set, then holding it down would allow the yellow pad/yellow cymbal to register yellow notes, and letting your foot up off it would change it to blue (during hi hat sections, open hi hat is usually charted as a blue note).

So essentially, foot on pedal = no change in pads.

Foot off pedal = both middle pads as well as the yellow cymbal register as a blue note.

This would allow you to play both open and closed hi hat notes (and even ride cymbal blue notes!) on the yellow pad (or yellow cymbal in this case), the same way you would if it were an actual hi hat.

[echo4papa]

Now, I'm sure some 'drumming purists' will scoff at this idea, but, wouldn't it be nice if you could plug the second pedal into any of the five 'buttons'?

You want the pedal to work with the yellow notes, plug it into the yellow pad. Want it to work with red, plug it into red. My Favorite... you want a doubel bass pedal, plug the second pedal into the bass pedal and voila!

Just a little dream I had...

[davidshek]

You want the pedal to work with the yellow notes, plug it into the yellow pad. Want it to work with red, plug it into red. My Favorite... you want a doubel bass pedal, plug the second pedal into the bass pedal and voila!

If you're gonna play some Def Leppard and want to try to drum like Rick Allen with 1 arm, sure. But otherwise, I don't see the point of that at all.

Most people (who don't play drums IRL) have enough problems coordinating their hands and 1 foot already, and now you want to throw the left foot into the mix and have it be one of the drum pads?

You're just asking for a nightmare there.

[echo4papa]

If you're gonna play some Def Leppard and want to try to drum like Rick Allen with 1 arm, sure. But otherwise, I don't see the point of that at all.

Most people (who don't play drums IRL) have enough problems coordinating their hands and 1 foot already, and now you want to throw the left foot into the mix and have it be one of the drum pads?

You're just asking for a nightmare there.


Apparently you glossed over the first half of the first sentence...

but since you insist...

The pads are already representing cymbals in some cases correct?

Aren't you in fact drumming a pad in place of a pedal you would normally be pressing with the left foot in the game today?

Would it not be effective to allow the user to select how that pedal is used according to their preference, just to be able to have two bass pedals for some songs, and a traditional pedal for whatever the pedal is normally used for? (I am no drummer, just a fan of the game)

[Gargoyle2500]

Do you have any idea how low quality Mad Catz products are? I bought a Playstation controller by them and with less than 6 hours of play it started malfunctioning!

[ClassicCarraway]

Do you have any idea how low quality Mad Catz products are? I bought a Playstation controller by them and with less than 6 hours of play it started malfunctioning!


I had an Xbox Micron controller (2 in fact) for several years, and it has worked flawlessly to this day. Prior to that, I had their controller for the Dreamcast, and it worked pretty well.

Granted, what I remember of their old PS1 controllers, they were crap, but I'd say alot has improved over the last decade. The one thing I've noticed over the years is that Mad Catz likes to put alot of extra features into their controllers that don't really work as well as they should, such as programming combos, turbo mode, and such. As long as you ignore the gimmick features, their basic controllers work pretty good.

[davidshek]

Apparently you glossed over the first half of the first sentence...

but since you insist...

The pads are already representing cymbals in some cases correct?

Aren't you in fact drumming a pad in place of a pedal you would normally be pressing with the left foot in the game today?

Would it not be effective to allow the user to select how that pedal is used according to their preference, just to be able to have two bass pedals for some songs, and a traditional pedal for whatever the pedal is normally used for? (I am no drummer, just a fan of the game)

No, I understood exactly what you meant, and it still doesn't make any sense.

Yes, the pads do represent cymbals in some cases. But no, you never drum a pad in place of a pedal you would press with your left foot. (I'll qualify that with: in a VERY few places, like the War Pigs verses, you do hit the yellow pad where a real drummer would just close his hi-hats to make a short *tsst*)

The hi-hat pedal on a real drum set can be used for instances like I described above in War Pigs, but you can also make almost the exact same sound by tapping a closed hi-hat with your stick. Mostly the hi-hat pedal is used to change the sound of the hats from a short *tsst* to a longer *tsssh*, by lifting your foot as you hit them.

That's the "closed" vs. "open" hi-hat. But you still have to hit the hi-hats with your sticks in both cases.

Now, if you meant that while the hi-hat pedal was pressed, the cymbal would be yellow (or red, depending on the song), and while it was not pressed, the cymbal would be blue, I would go along with that and in fact have stated that's how I think it should be, in other threads :)

[orange_black]

Come on.... no way does HMX allow Madcatz to make crappy controllers. They're officially licensed!

the last thing HMX wants to do is get a reputation for backing low quality peripherals......

wait a second.

nevermind

[echo4papa]

No, I understood exactly what you meant, and it still doesn't make any sense.

Yes, the pads do represent cymbals in some cases. But no, you never drum a pad in place of a pedal you would press with your left foot. (I'll qualify that with: in a VERY few places, like the War Pigs verses, you do hit the yellow pad where a real drummer would just close his hi-hats to make a short *tsst*)

The hi-hat pedal on a real drum set can be used for instances like I described above in War Pigs, but you can also make almost the exact same sound by tapping a closed hi-hat with your stick. Mostly the hi-hat pedal is used to change the sound of the hats from a short *tsst* to a longer *tsssh*, by lifting your foot as you hit them.

That's the "closed" vs. "open" hi-hat. But you still have to hit the hi-hats with your sticks in both cases.

Now, if you meant that while the hi-hat pedal was pressed, the cymbal would be yellow (or red, depending on the song), and while it was not pressed, the cymbal would be blue, I would go along with that and in fact have stated that's how I think it should be, in other threads :)


Just take yourself out of the "no beacuse this is how drums really work" frame of mind and explore the idea in general.

If you assume that the pedal, as it is currently displayed (as it seems in the pictures), is simply an alternate way to press the yellow pad, wouldn't it be nice to be able to swap it out and use it as a secondary bass pedal for certain songs?

How can that idea 'not make sense'? There are several cases where your average RockBand drummers could use a little help on the Bass pedal.

[lintball]

Maybe the pedal activates a cowbell?

[Gamer Tommy]

Is there a chance that they will ship overseas?

[davidshek]

If you assume that the pedal, as it is currently displayed (as it seems in the pictures), is simply an alternate way to press the yellow pad, wouldn't it be nice to be able to swap it out and use it as a secondary bass pedal for certain songs?

Ok see now you've totally switched gears. Having it as a second kick pedal is one thing. Not necessarily a bad idea, but also unnecessary for any of the current note charts.

Plugging it in to red, green, blue, yellow to make the pedal activate that pad? That's quite a different story :p