Any news yet on speed modifiers?

[The_Vampire_Lestat]

Haven't heard much about this recently.

[sa_nick]

I dont think there's been any mention of speed mods anywhere.

[milkman4591]

Do you maybe mean Overdrive (Rock Band version of Star Power)?

[ThePaska]

Do you maybe mean Overdrive (Rock Band version of Star Power)?

No I think he is talking about something more along the lines of Hyper Speed. And no, nothing has been mentioned about it, there probably will be something like it in the game.

[Eman311]

I hope they don't include Hyperspeed. Not a fan.

[Huwonk]

I hope they don't include Hyperspeed. Not a fan.

So just because YOU aren't a fan, people that do like it shouldn't be able to choose it? :(

[Eman311]

Yea pretty much. I'd prefer to avoid all that terrible debate over if it should be considered "cheating" or not.

[McDeezy]

I don't consider it cheating. It just changes the stream timing. So what. Your still hitting all the notes at the same speed.

[GrenadeJumper]

Yea pretty much. I'd prefer to avoid all that terrible debate over if it should be considered "cheating" or not.

I agree 100% with you. That would put an end to all the stupid cheating debates. I still think that they will probably have something like it though, by popular demand.

[espher]

I'm not exactly a big rhythm game fan, but I have a bunch of friends who are, and the Guitar Hero "general populace" seems to be the only rhythm game group that views display speed mods as a cheat. It blows my mind.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

I hope they do. It makes the fretboard a lot less cluttered, making it easier to figure out what notes to hit when. Though I doubt that'll be necessary in Rock Band, I hope they'll have it.

[jq71586]

I hope they do. It makes the fretboard a lot less cluttered, making it easier to figure out what notes to hit when. Though I doubt that'll be necessary in Rock Band, I hope they'll have it.

Exactly. I think this will be great for drums. All of you have seen the drum duel on expert for "Don't Fear the Reaper", right? It looked like a muddles mess of blue notes and orange lines lol. I really hope it's in there in some shape or form

[Apples]

Exactly. I think this will be great for drums. All of you have seen the drum duel on expert for "Don't Fear the Reaper", right? It looked like a muddles mess of blue notes and orange lines lol. I really hope it's in there in some shape or form

My first time watching that drumming video my reaction was "...can't read that at all... hyperspeed please?" That thing looked intense.


I know some folks don't care for it, but the analogy I use is like reading a book. Some people like to focus their eyes so they're viewing a whole paragraph at a time, some people zoom in further so they're only looking at a sentence at a time. In the end, you're both reading the same words, you're just looking at them differently.

[McDeezy]

I know some folks don't care for it, but the analogy I use is like reading a book. Some people like to focus their eyes so they're viewing a whole paragraph at a time, some people zoom in further so they're only looking at a sentence at a time. In the end, you're both reading the same words, you're just looking at them differently.

I thought like that but I was using Large and Small Font as a concept. Large font makes it less cluttered easier to read.

[DarkSide]

Hyperspeed is a must. Playing the GH3 demo, I'm reminded of how much I hate playing without it.

At the Rock Band Tour event I attended, I asked a girl on the staff if she new anything about a hyperspeed mode. Well, the she didn't but was like, "hold on, let me go ask." So she went and asked one of the other guys, and told us that "it's on expert."

So I would interperet this to mean that it's atomatically enabled on expert. However, I don't know how trustworthy their information is in the firstplace, so this may not be the case.

[Nfsjunkie91]

Hyperspeed is a must. Playing the GH3 demo, I'm reminded of how much I hate playing without it.

At the Rock Band Tour event I attended, I asked a girl on the staff if she new anything about a hyperspeed mode. Well, the she didn't but was like, "hold on, let me go ask." So she went and asked one of the other guys, and told us that "it's on expert."

So I would interperet this to mean that it's atomatically enabled on expert. However, I don't know how trustworthy their information is in the firstplace, so this may not be the case.

I'm betting they have no idea what hyperspeed mode is, and just assumed you were asking if there was a mode where the speed was faster, which would be expert.

[DarkSide]

I'm betting they have no idea what hyperspeed mode is, and just assumed you were asking if there was a mode where the speed was faster, which would be expert.
Probably so. Expert didn't look or feel like it had hyperspeed enabled.

[foolosophy]

It's even more necessary now because rectangular notes close together is going to be impossible to differentiate.

[trilidar]

I, for one, pray it is.

I'm not dexterous enough to play hard or expert and medium 'feels' too slow now. Hyperspeed medium is the only way I can play GH2 now.

tril

[Feigned]

I definitely hope this is included. However, I think it would be awesome if you could activate it for individual people. Some people just don't like playing with it while others swear they can't play without it. I've seen a number of arguments in Pro Face off in GH where someone was throwing a fit because hyper speed was/wasn't enabled.

[SmokaCola]

Wow, if you debate that it IS cheating you have got to be ******ed. There is nothing different with or without it. It all evens out.

[Apples]

Hyperspeed got a massive amount of usage and attention in GH2... so you would assume that people would learn from that experience going forward. However, we all know what happens when you go assuming things. :D

[Haruka]

Speed mods have been called cheating (or taking the easy way out) in games that allow it as a regular option. So that opinion is nothing new really and if Hyperspeed is available as a menu option instead of code input it might not change many opinions on the cheating issue. DDR is a great example of this, people have bickered for years and years about scores meaning more when done on 1x, especially for really bunched charts that were designed to be difficult to read (those familiar with the game/songs will know this is the
only reason 'bag' is a 10 foot song).

I really like Konami's approach to offering different speed multiples to choose from. Everyone processes information differently so it makes sense to provide a range of options to choose from. It makes learning and mastering songs much easier, plus you can prolong gameplay by learning a different speed (or speed it up so much you have to memorise the song because it's humanly impossible to read).

I tried a GH3 demo a couple of weeks ago and Expert pissed me off because it seemed to scroll faster than GH2 Expert (and/or there were less incoming notes visible on screen), I couldn't react fast enough and made a real mess of things. I play DDR at 1x (on Heavy/Expert yes) and DrumMania at 3.0x, so I like to be able to choose and like the challenge of slower scrolling speeds (I think people who play DM at 1x are insane though).

Ultimately people will learn to deal with scroll speeds that are forced on them, but it's so much more fun if players can individually choose.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

I hope they don't include Hyperspeed. Not a fan.

I agree!


So just because YOU aren't a fan, people that do like it shouldn't be able to choose it? :(

Thats two! Now what, ass!

[HPLabonte]

I agree!



Thats two! Now what, ass!


THIRDED. eat it.

[Thrashdragon]

GH1, 2, and 80s actually seem to flow better with HS on. As if that's how the game was originally designed but they decided it would be too fast for new players, slowed it down, and left HS in as a "cheat". I've never understood the animosity about it or how it could be considered cheating. So the notes are easier to see in crazy solos...so what? As much as all of us have played the GH games, we could probably play them blindfolded at this point.

[toefer]

THIRDED. eat it.

Maybe I just don't get it. I don't personally care for hyper speed, but I don't care if other people want it, and its included as an option in the game. Even if it is considered cheating, I don't really care, because I don't care for rankings or competing with other people. There are people out there that have way more time on their hands than I do, so I can never have a high online ranking in any particular game.

Then again, I know how annoying it can be if people cheat to get to the top of leaderboards, so I guess its an issue of whether hyper speed is cheating or not. I personally just don't think it is. If you argue a personal preference is cheating, then lefty-flip would be cheating, or using/not using the solo buttons during solos could be seen as cheating, and on and on.

[JarethLegend]

I don't want hyperspeed. I want a speed multiplier than can be set to any value you desire or at least one that has a large range.

[CaLLmEn2]

Maybe I just don't get it. I don't personally care for hyper speed, but I don't care if other people want it, and its included as an option in the game. Even if it is considered cheating, I don't really care, because I don't care for rankings or competing with other people. There are people out there that have way more time on their hands than I do, so I can never have a high online ranking in any particular game.

Then again, I know how annoying it can be if people cheat to get to the top of leaderboards, so I guess its an issue of whether hyper speed is cheating or not. I personally just don't think it is. If you argue a personal preference is cheating, then lefty-flip would be cheating, or using/not using the solo buttons during solos could be seen as cheating, and on and on.

This is true.

I like to play on hyperspeed but I dont have too, I dont do any better if I use it or not. It just takes a couple runs to get used to the slowness of normal speed and then Im find, I go to the beat of the song anyways I just need to know what notes are coming at me during those beats.

My view on this is that its an option, if you want ot use it, then you can use it, if you dont want it, then dont use it. Its the same as alot of the music arguments, some people say no i hate that band I dont want it for DLC. Guess what, dont download it then! Its an option, and wether you believe it or not, not everyone has the same music taste as you so variety is the key here.

What I believe is it should be an option per player, as each player can use it or not use it if they want. That way everyone has thier own way, which is the best way in this situation.

[RiskyChris]

Western rhythm games have a lot of growing up to do.

Give each player their own range of speed multipliers, kinda like how bemani has done it for... years.

[the_spike]

It isn't needed AT ALL.

It's a new game, play it like everyone else.

[DarkSide]

Arguing against the inclusion of a hyperspeed option is ignorant. It's like saying a first person shooter shouldn't include sensitivity adjustments or the "invert Y axis" option.

Don't like it? Don't use it.

[SargentBass]

no offence, and i dont want to start an agument but i'm curios. If you dont like rythem games why you posten on RB?

[The_Vampire_Lestat]

In my experience, the people who say hyperspeed is cheating and/or not needed; generally don't play on expert.

[jq71586]

I am a proud supporter of Hyperspeed.

"We're here. Our notes scroll faster than normal. Get used to it."

[miketoast]

If I needed the notes to come down 2x as fast and spaced further apart in order to playI'd prolly consider that cheating. That being said it should be included in the game for the people that are unable to play the notes as programmed on the charts

[RiskyChris]

It isn't needed AT ALL.

It's a new game, play it like everyone else.

I don't like the bass, just keep it out of the game.

[The_Vampire_Lestat]

If I needed the notes to come down 2x as fast and spaced further apart in order to playI'd prolly consider that cheating. That being said it should be included in the game for the people that are unable to play the notes as programmed on the charts

I want to see a video of you playing Jordan on expert. And you passing the entire song.

It's not about simply playing it. It's about competition. Go to a Guitar Hero competition... everyone uses hyperspeed.

The best players out there use hyperspeed. And they'd still be the best whether or not they enabled hyperspeed.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

If I needed the notes to come down 2x as fast and spaced further apart in order to playI'd prolly consider that cheating. That being said it should be included in the game for the people that are unable to play the notes as programmed on the charts

Wonderful how it's only 1.5 times the speed, thus not meeting your requirements for cheating. kthnxbye

[the_spike]

I don't like the bass, just keep it out of the game.

That argument doesn't make any sense. It's like saying for a Madden game "I don't like the Packers, keep them out of the game."

It's still not needed, I played with hyperspeed on the other day and there's really not much to it, just a lame cheat that spaces out the notes. If you want to know the notes better, look at a notechart or practice like everyone else.

If you know the chart by heart and you're using the cheat for fun? Fine go ahead. But the reason why it shouldn't be in is because of the jackasses that can't beat or play the game without it which far outnumbers the ones using it for fun.

And like I said before, this is a NEW game, you haven't played it yet. It's all in your head that you need hyperspeed.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

That argument doesn't make any sense. It's like saying for a Madden game "I don't like the Packers, keep them out of the game."

Which is exactly like saying "I don't like Hyper speed, keep it out of the game."

It's a speed modifier. Just because you enter it in like a cheat code doesn't mean it is. DDR has the same thing, but it's an actual menu accessible option. Do you guys consider that cheating? No? Then you shouldn't consider Hyper speed a cheat.

[RiskyChris]

That argument doesn't make any sense. It's like saying for a Madden game "I don't like the Packers, keep them out of the game."

Interesting, 'cause what I quoted didn't make sense.

[kaiserkreb]

If I needed the notes to come down 2x as fast and spaced further apart in order to playI'd prolly consider that cheating. That being said it should be included in the game for the people that are unable to play the notes as programmed on the charts

Who said we aren't able to play the notes programmed in the charts? The notes don't magically change once hyperspeed is enabled, it just scrolls faster, the notes still have to hit the strum line at exactly the same point as regular speed. Answer me this then, why doesn't expert scroll the same speed as easy? Oh wait, I'll answer it for you, because if it stayed slow, it would be like watching a line of colours coming towards you on the fretboard in a solo with many notes and you would have no idea how to differentiate the notes other than trying to pick it out by ear.

[the_spike]

Interesting, 'cause what I quoted didn't make sense.

It wasn't supposed to. I was making quote that made as much sense as your bass statement.

[ZkDotNet]

This is exactly why even mentioning hyperspeed on SH gets a topic locked in most cases. The same number of notes are played at the same speed; some people play better with it and some play better without it. Why is everyone so friggin' concerned about how other people are playing their game?

Speed modifiers are pretty standard for rhythm games. Get over it.

[the_spike]

This is exactly why even mentioning hyperspeed on SH gets a topic locked in most cases. The same number of notes are played at the same speed; some people play better with it and some play better without it. Why is everyone so friggin' concerned about how other people are playing their game?

Speed modifiers are pretty standard for rhythm games. Get over it.

I'm only concerned for online play. I heard that for GH3, the notes scroll at the same speed for both players if one is using hyperspeed and one isn't, with it going at hyperspeed instaed of normal. Hopefully this isn't the case with RB. If they can make it where match-ups are separate for those playing without hyperspeed and those with hyperspeed or just disable the use of codes online, I won't care as much since I won't have to worry about it.

[espher]

People with large (and/or widescreen) displays have an unfair advantage over those of us with small CRT screens. Objects are larger and further spread out on these displays. Playing with a larger screen is cheating, and using setting it to a widescreen feed is also cheating. /discuss

[ZkDotNet]

I'm only concerned for online play. I heard that for GH3, the notes scroll at the same speed for both players if one is using hyperspeed and one isn't, with it going at hyperspeed instaed of normal. Hopefully this isn't the case with RB. If they can make it where match-ups are separate for those playing without hyperspeed and those with hyperspeed or just disable the use of codes online, I won't care as much since I won't have to worry about it.
That'd be weird if affected online. I would think that speed reflected on your screen would be how you set it, and likewise for the other person (especially since there's something like 5 different settings). I'd think it affect local multiplayer more.

Now that I think about it, on all the RB videos, the scroll speed is always the same across all instruments regardless of different difficulties, right? I think they should allow different scroll speeds on the same screen, even if does look a little off.

[Rook_x51]

People with large (and/or widescreen) displays have an unfair advantage over those of us with small CRT screens. Objects are larger and further spread out on these displays. Playing with a larger screen is cheating, and using setting it to a widescreen feed is also cheating. /discuss

I think HMX should develop this game for 240i so that everyone is on the same playing field.

/Grabs popcorn and sits down to watch this dumb internet fight.