Praise And Worship Edition?

[AVONCentralOH]

Dear Harmonix Music Systems,

I am thrilled to see a video game developer tap into a non-violent and educational use for the entertainment industry. It is wonderful to see a game without bloodshed that is changing the way families gather to spend time in a somewhat positive way. However, I am very saddened to see some of the music choices included in the ever popular Guitar Hero and Karaoke Revolution game series.

Mainstream music too often promotes the worst lifestyles in our society; promiscuous sex, over indulgence in alcohol, and drug abuse just to name a few. As a mother of three, a business person, a Praise and Worship Team Member, and a leader of Christian Youth Ministries, I ask that you would consider the development of a modern Christian Worship version of Guitar Hero and Karaoke Revolution. You have the opportunity to take a terrific game and reach beyond financial gain into the ability to impact lives forever. It would be great to see you partner with Christian Artists like Jeremy Camp, Steven Curtis Chapman, Mary Mary, Nicole C. Mullen, Natalie Grant, Joy Williams, Matthew West, Stellar Kart, Audio Adrenaline, and Building 429 to make this project a reality.

I challenge you to do the market research. You could start with a small campaign in a few pilot stores like Wal-mart and Christian Bookstores. I suspect that you will be pleasantly surprised by the how well this product would be received by Christians; not only in America but across the globe. Give families the opportunity to choose something even more wholesome to enjoy during their quality time; precious, limited, and quickly fading.

Thank you for your time; I look forward to your response.
God Bless,
Mindy Chemacki

[Rev0lver]

only if you allow a satanic black metal edition.

and those artists? how ****ing boring would that be?

remember, hail satan everyone.

[The_Future_Breed]

I'm not sure if you're the one with these views of if you're posting what someone else has written, but:

Harmonix no longer owns the rights to Guitar Hero or Karaoke Revolution. They will not be engineering new content for those games.

Secondly, it'd be completely unrealistic to expect an entire game to be filled with Christian music. 'Inspirational' artists just aren't that popular (especially with young people, as you old codgers like to call us).

And in all seriousness, this game will not 'impact lives forever' even if it was filled with Christian music. No more melodrama please.

I will offer you some hope, though: Harmonix may include a few Inspirational tracks as downloadable content.

[GrayInvisible]

This is a huge reason why I'm not christian.

Who are you to judge other peoples lifestyles? Maybe they enjoy promiscuous sex, or drug use? There are people that don't agree with your silly lifestyle of only listening to horrible music, and being incredibly moral (to the point of idiocy).

The Bible itself says not to judge people. It does not say listen to only Christian music, or to not listen to music that encourages a lifestyle that you disagree with. The bible has more bloodshed than all the games made combined. According to the bible, god has killed millions of real people. Video games have barely killed that many fictional characters.

Look, I don't mind religion, just don't be ignorant, and hate things for no reason.

[The_Future_Breed]

Question: Why is it okay for people to say 'God Bless'?

I mean, it's not in good taste to say 'Satan Bless' or 'Allah Bless' or 'Xenu Bless'. Someone explain this to me. Please.

[Royges]

This is a huge reason why I'm not christian.

Who are you to judge other peoples lifestyles? Maybe they enjoy promiscuous sex, or drug use? There are people that don't agree with your silly lifestyle of only listening to horrible music, and being incredibly moral (to the point of idiocy).

The Bible itself says not to judge people. It does not say listen to only Christian music, or to not listen to music that encourages a lifestyle that you disagree with. The bible will have more bloodshed than all the games made combined. According to the bible, god has killed millions pf real people. Video games have barely killed that many fictional characters.

Look, I don't mind religion, just don't be ignorant, and hate things for no reason.

I liked this

http://card.mygamercard.net/ES/gelsig/ROYGES.png (http://profile.mygamercard.net/ROYGES)

[viru30]

Why do you think they would make a seperate version of Rock band specially designed for Christian gamers?

I'll consider this if you support my idea of Rock Band: The Story of The Gita.

How cool would being able to play as Hindu Deities be? And being able to chant mantras for bonus points. They should make a sitar peripheral specially designed for the game...

[AVONCentralOH]

I do not judge others that chose to live a different lifestyle than my own. There is only one ultimate judge and it is His responsibility to condemn those who sin against Him; not me.

Because I chosen to expose myself, my family, and others in my fellowship to Godly influences, I have petitioned a request for a Christian edition. There are too many inappropriate things in the current editions for people with young families.

For those of you bashing Christian Artists, I challenge you to actually listen to some of them before you remark negatively. Many non-believers enjoy Switchfoot, P.O.D., and Relient K.

Nonethless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Please respect my right to believe in my God and live my life expressing my values. I have not belittled you for the differences that we have between us so, please extend the same courtesy and respect to me.

Thank you and God bless,
Mindy

[CableCarrier]

Ah, I love the smell of a religious discussion on the internet in the morning. Come on, guys, don't be dirtbags about this. Keep it civil.

Anyway, I doubt there will be a dedicated disc or version of any music game for Christian music, if only because there isn't a perceived audience for it. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of some as DLC, though.

[The_Future_Breed]

For those of you bashing Christian Artists, I challenge you to actually listen to some of them before you remark negatively. Many non-believers enjoy Switchfoot, P.O.D., and Relient K.

Are they really THAT good? You didn't recommend any of those bands for your 'praise and worship' edition guitar hero/karaoke hero. To me (and many others), these three bands are the epitome of processed, generic pop rock.

Seriously, though, the majority of the songs contained in Harmonix's new game, Rock Band, don't have 'ungodly' messages in them. Many are about real life and real problems - the pain of having an alcoholic relative, the joy of love (not sex), etc. The 'inappropriate' songs in this game, in fact, are in the minority - and given that downloadable content WILL be available, you have absolutely no reason to need a 'praise and worship' edition game. You can pick and choose which songs you want to play out of literally thousands.

I'm giving you a list of the songs currently in the game since it appears you have not bothered to look them up. Most if not all of these songs can be listened to on YOUTUBE.

* "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" – Jet
* "Black Hole Sun" - Soundgarden
* "Blitzkrieg Bop" – Ramones
* "Brainpower" – Freezepop
* "Celebrity Skin" – Hole
* "Cherub Rock" – Smashing Pumpkins
* "Creep" – Radiohead
* "Dani California" - Red Hot Chili Peppers
* "Detroit Rock City" - Kiss
* "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" – Blue Öyster Cult
* "Enter Sandman" – Metallica
* "Epic" – Faith No More
* "Flirtin' With Disaster" – Molly Hatchet
* "Foreplay/Long Time" – Boston
* "Gimme Shelter" – Rolling Stones
* "Go with the Flow" – Queens of the Stone Age
* "Green Grass and High Tides" – The Outlaws
* "The Hand That Feeds" – Nine Inch Nails
* "Here It Goes Again" – OK G
* "Highway Star" – Deep Purple
* "I Think I'm Paranoid" – Garbage
* "In Bloom" – Nirvana
* "Learn to Fly" – Foo Fighters
* "Main Offender" – The Hives
* "Maps" – Yeah Yeah Yeahs
* "Mississippi Queen" – Mountain
* "Orange Crush" – R.E.M.
* "Paranoid" – Black Sabbath
* "Pleasure (Pleasure)" – Bang Camaro
* "Reptilia" – The Strokes
* "Sabotage" – Beastie Boys
* "Say It Ain't So" – Weezer
* "Should I Stay or Should I Go" – The Clash
* "Suffragette City" – David Bowie
* "Tom Sawyer" – Rush
* "Vasoline" – Stone Temple Pilots
* "Wanted Dead or Alive" – Bon Jovi
* "Wave of Mutilation" – Pixies
* "Welcome Home" – Coheed and Cambria
* "Won't Get Fooled Again" – The Who

ANNOUNCED DOWNLOADABLE TRACKS:
* Who's Next – The Who
* "One" – Metallica
* An additional full album by Metallica
* Nevermind – Nirvana
* 18 songs by The Grateful Dead (including "Casey Jones", "Sugar Magnolia", "Touch of Grey", "Truckin'", and "Uncle John's Band")

Yes, some of these songs are inappropriate for young listeners. Most of them are completely fine, and you're free to only play the songs you enjoy. End of thread. //

[GrayInvisible]

I do not judge others that chose to live a different lifestyle than my own. There is only one ultimate judge and it is His responsibility to condemn those who sin against Him; not me.

Because I chosen to expose myself, my family, and others in my fellowship to Godly influences, I have petitioned a request for a Christian edition. There are too many inappropriate things in the current editions for people with young families.

For those of you bashing Christian Artists, I challenge you to actually listen to some of them before you remark negatively. Many non-believers enjoy Switchfoot, P.O.D., and Relient K.

Nonethless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Please respect my right to believe in my God and live my life expressing my values. I have not belittled you for the differences that we have between us so, please extend the same courtesy and respect to me.

Thank you and God bless,
Mindy

I came up with a logical, well formulated argument, but I just figured that it'd be pointless.

[ThaMaestr0]

We could discuss faith and the difference between following Christ and being a Christian all day (and there is a HUGE difference), but I'd rather focus on the music. Maybe there is a better place to hold the faith discussion than this. I'd be more than happy to have an intelligent, non-inflammatory discussion with you guys about whatever topics of faith you want to discuss or questions you would like for me to try and answer....just let me know.

Let me just point out maybe the biggest faith based band on the planet. It's just a little band from Ireland called U2. Don't believe me? Go back and listen to their music again.

Music with a basis in faith is far more common than most people (and even many Christ followers) realize...and it's good music!

Some of the bands mentioned in this thread have some cool music. Praise and worship songs can sometimes be pretty simple, which makes some of them less than ideal candidates for Rock Band. However, there are others that would be absolutely awesome to get to play right along side their secular brethren.

I would be all in favor of some DLC that contained song packs or albums from people like Switchfoot, Skillet, U2, Coldplay, Newsboys, Jeremy Camp, Disciple...all good stuff.

Oh, and for the record...I absolutely love the announced tracks and the coming DLC. I'm looking forward to much more of the same.

[Rev0lver]

relient k, POD, and switchfoot.... are you kidding me? all those bands are taltenteless pieces of ****. the only thing i can tolerate is switchfoot from their first cd. and U2? you have to be kidding me...

the only outspoken "christian bands" i like are august burns red, unearth, becoming the archetype, mewithoutyou, and (somewhat) project 86. and i don't care about the christian part of it, i just like the music.

what the hell is innapropriate about the current editions? i've been petitioning for heavier music and people think its too inappropriate. i have yet to find anything inappropriate in the current editions with the exception of an edited-out curse word in killing in the name and laid to rest. please point out to me the others.

[jq71586]

I'm sorry, when I saw "praise and worship edition," I giggled like a schoolgirl. All I could picture was playing one of those songs and everyone who was in the room do that thing where they raise their hands up in the air, close their eyes, sway to the music, and mouth the words.

[svartingr]

i have yet to find anything inappropriate in the current editions with the exception of an edited-out curse word in killing in the name and laid to rest. please point out to me the others.

Oh, and the 5 in Creep.

:D

I'm leaving the religious argument and my religious views out of this, but I will say this:

If there are some of these songs you mention that have good vocals, guitar, bass, and drums and would be fun to play: why not. But an ENTIRE game of them?

No.

[Shredder]

I am a Christian and I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of the announced songs for Rock Band. From personal experience, I have found that parents that try to shelter their kids from popular culture have their kids rebel against them. I'm all for songs with popular messages, and even Christian songs if they are fun to play. However, this game is about great music more than anything, and an entire edition devoted to Christian music in my mind would be going against the point. There's no reason to bash this person for her views though. I completely respect her opinion, I just disagree with it.

[raine697]

only if you allow a satanic black metal edition.

and those artists? how ****ing boring would that be?

remember, hail satan everyone.

Wow. You are just an a**hole.


Are they really THAT good? You didn't recommend any of those bands for your 'praise and worship' edition guitar hero/karaoke hero. To me (and many others), these three bands are the epitome of processed, generic pop rock.
//

Switchfoot is good, and ThousandFootKrutch is as well. Definitely not processed rock, sorry if you feel that way, man.


I came up with a logical, well formulated argument, but I just figured that it'd be pointless.

Honestly...no you didn't. You accused the OP of being confrontational and accusatory, which is not the form of a good logical discussion. But you are right, you can't convince this person of anything so no need to waste your words.


Dear Harmonix Music Systems,

I am thrilled to see a video game developer tap into a non-violent and educational use for the entertainment industry. It is wonderful to see a game without bloodshed that is changing the way families gather to spend time in a somewhat positive way. However, I am very saddened to see some of the music choices included in the ever popular Guitar Hero and Karaoke Revolution game series.

Mainstream music too often promotes the worst lifestyles in our society; promiscuous sex, over indulgence in alcohol, and drug abuse just to name a few. As a mother of three, a business person, a Praise and Worship Team Member, and a leader of Christian Youth Ministries, I ask that you would consider the development of a modern Christian Worship version of Guitar Hero and Karaoke Revolution. You have the opportunity to take a terrific game and reach beyond financial gain into the ability to impact lives forever. It would be great to see you partner with Christian Artists like Jeremy Camp, Steven Curtis Chapman, Mary Mary, Nicole C. Mullen, Natalie Grant, Joy Williams, Matthew West, Stellar Kart, Audio Adrenaline, and Building 429 to make this project a reality.

I challenge you to do the market research. You could start with a small campaign in a few pilot stores like Wal-mart and Christian Bookstores. I suspect that you will be pleasantly surprised by the how well this product would be received by Christians; not only in America but across the globe. Give families the opportunity to choose something even more wholesome to enjoy during their quality time; precious, limited, and quickly fading.


People who view things the way you do make me sigh. People cannot be perfect and wholesome all the time. I'm sorry, but even you are not. I am 100% positive you get angry at times just like everyone else.

I should think that as long as people don't turn out like our friend Rev0lver here, we should be ok. :) Just because you listen to songs about drugs (often used in metaphors anywho) does not mean you want to emulate them. I have a crazy religious friend who loves all sorts of Christian Music, and My Chemical Romance, which is full of curse words and dark ideas, but she doesn't curse, and she is the most wholesome kind-hearted person I've ever come across. Every bit as much as you.

Maybe you could instead ask for a way to put parental controls on songs (since this is supposed to be a new entertainment medium anyway) by Harmonix, and then you could let the kids play what you deem appropriate, just like TV channels. Although even that would be a stretch.

Honestly, songs like "Here It Goes Again" by OK GO are perfectly acceptable. The song lyrics really say nothing but "Here something is, and it goes..." A lot of the songs are just love songs. Just because something isn't specifically praising God doesn't make it bad. If you think it does, then I can't help ya there. And I know Switchfoot at least (probably Reliant K too) will get in Rock Band eventually.

[dodgyknees]

Well it makes a change from the Dragonforce threads.

I wondered how long it would take for a religious version to rear it's ugly head. They were always popping up on the old GH forum.

Let's concentrate on the music, shall we? Religion and politics have no place on a forum such as this.

[JackBNimble]

I do not judge others that chose to live a different lifestyle than my own. There is only one ultimate judge and it is His responsibility to condemn those who sin against Him; not me.

Because I chosen to expose myself, my family, and others in my fellowship to Godly influences, I have petitioned a request for a Christian edition. There are too many inappropriate things in the current editions for people with young families.

For those of you bashing Christian Artists, I challenge you to actually listen to some of them before you remark negatively. Many non-believers enjoy Switchfoot, P.O.D., and Relient K.

Nonethless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Please respect my right to believe in my God and live my life expressing my values. I have not belittled you for the differences that we have between us so, please extend the same courtesy and respect to me.

Thank you and God bless,
Mindy

WOE TO YOU O EARTH AND SEA ,FOR THE DEVIL SENDS THE BEAST WITH WRATH ,FOR HE KNOWS THE TIME IS SHORT.LET HIM WHO HATH UNDERSTANDING RECON THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST,FOR IT IS A HUMAN NUMBER .IT'S NUMBER IS 666.

[dodgyknees]

^^ and that doesn't help

[JackBNimble]

^^ and that doesn't help

hAHAHAHAHAHA
ok can we sing Jesus loves me now ?

[WildBillKickoff]

First of all, I am also a born-again, Evangelical Christian and a worship leader. Here's the problem with having an all-Christian Rock Band version:

99% of Christian music is complete and total garbage, and if I can play it on real guitar with my skill level (hack), it's not worth being in a music game.

Don't get me wrong, there are a notable few good, talented, Christian bands out there. (Skillet's first album comes to mind-- I Can would actually make a decent choice.) However, almost every Christian band that starts to make it big goes to Nashville, where Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith process the sound for mainstream Christian radio, which has a target audience of hyper-conservative parents who listen to the radio with their four year olds. After all, they're the ones that donate to the stations.

It is not HMX's responsibility to morally educate or uplift. It is their job to put out a great product that makes tons of money, and that is what Rock Band is. I'm 100% certain that if they believe putting out "Worship Band" would make them more money, that's the game they would have made.

I also want to stress that video games, much like the cannabis plant, are morally neutral. Just as good things like hemp and illegal things like pot come from the same plant, both good and bad things come from Rock Band. I would encourage you, TC, rather than subject people to your point of view, to meet people where they are and use RB as a tool to establish common ground and build relationships.

[whofan]

WOE TO YOU O EARTH AND SEA ,FOR THE DEVIL SENDS THE BEAST WITH WRATH ,FOR HE KNOWS THE TIME IS SHORT.LET HIM WHO HATH UNDERSTANDING RECON THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST,FOR IT IS A HUMAN NUMBER .IT'S NUMBER IS 666.

Guys,

Stop being asshats about this, seriously. Faith is a very serious topic and the way everyone here is approaching it leaves me sick. I am by no means religious at all, instead I'm spiritual. The thing is if you look beyond the words (which in many of these songs are not that bad at all, I'd be more worried if they put in something like "Candy Shop" or "Drop It Like It's Hot") and realize the potential of THE MUSIC you'll see there's a lot in these songs which can fulfill someone spiritually. However, that's another matter all together.

The second point I raise is that just because someone listens to music about satanic themes or other "unmoral" things does not mean that they will emulate that music. I listen to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and The Who's "Quadrophenia" is my favorite album. Does that mean I'm going to run out start buying uppers, dress like a mod and get myself a scooter, which I'll eventually ditch over a cliff, steal a boat and sit on an island out in the middle of Lake Ontario? No, I have no plans to do that. Some people may be more impressionable, but lets give people at least some credit to think for themselves here.

Finally, why should a game be created that promotes only one faith. I understand that Christianity is a large part of the population, but by focusing on that section alone you are, for all intents and purposes, discriminating against the non-Christian population and thus you may loose loyal supporters, something no company wants.

See, a nice and polite way of responding to the OP, that wasn't so hard, was it?

[dodgyknees]

I agree. I don't want to enter into a debate on religion on this forum, but at the same time I think it unecessary to be rude.

Let this one go guys and gals.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I dont care what the lifestyle of an artist is. I just care about the music. If the lyrics are about wooing a woman into bed...who cares? It still makes for a cool song. Can't spell artist without art, people.

I dont care if they are satanic, christian, pagan, WHATEVER! If the music is great, it doesn't matter. Neither Satan nor Jesus exist, so it doesn't matter either way. Even if they did exist, even Jesus would be rocking to norwegian black metal. He is a cool, open minded kind of guy. And already has the long hair \m/

Remember kids, blasphemy is fun.

If you want family games, buy a Wii. Hey, playing Wii sports or Mario Party with friends and family is a blast. Those are games MADE for that, you know? The bloody violent games are geared towards mature people who have found out they dont have to use pine cones to wipe their ass. If your kid plays them, thats your fault lady. Games are expencive, and an 11 year old spawn of satan doesn't have 60 dollars to buy a game.

[HPLabonte]

Guys,

Stop being asshats about this, seriously. Faith is a very serious topic and the way everyone here is approaching it leaves me sick. I am by no means religious at all, instead I'm spiritual. The thing is if you look beyond the words (which in many of these songs are not that bad at all, I'd be more worried if they put in something like "Candy Shop" or "Drop It Like It's Hot") and realize the potential of THE MUSIC you'll see there's a lot in these songs which can fulfill someone spiritually. However, that's another matter all together.

The second point I raise is that just because someone listens to music about satanic themes or other "unmoral" things does not mean that they will emulate that music. I listen to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and The Who's "Quadrophenia" is my favorite album. Does that mean I'm going to run out start buying uppers, dress like a mod and get myself a scooter, which I'll eventually ditch over a cliff, steal a boat and sit on an island out in the middle of Lake Ontario? No, I have no plans to do that. Some people may be more impressionable, but lets give people at least some credit to think for themselves here.

Finally, why should a game be created that promotes only one faith. I understand that Christianity is a large part of the population, but by focusing on that section alone you are, for all intents and purposes, discriminating against the non-Christian population and thus you may loose loyal supporters, something no company wants.

See, a nice and polite way of responding to the OP, that wasn't so hard, was it?

I agree with you, it's pretty sickening to see these replies, I myself am not a practicing christian, but I as well am spiritual, and respect that the OP wants a christian version of the game, but I also want an all-who version, an i ain't getting that =(

[DoctorSpaghetti]

HAHAHAHA!!!

What an awesome troll!

[newwaytodie]

This is a huge reason why I'm not christian.

Who are you to judge other peoples lifestyles?

Because people's lifestyles are harmful to other people.

Shoot Heroin? You support terrorism.
Drink and drive? You endanger everyone elses lives.
promiscous sex? you put all those other people at risk for STD's.

Wake up and think of the reprecussions of your behavior that go beyond you.

[whofan]

I agree with you, it's pretty sickening to see these replies, I myself am not a practicing christian, but I as well am spiritual, and respect that the OP wants a christian version of the game, but I also want an all-who version, an i ain't getting that =(

You and I think a lot alike!!! Let's start a petition for it!! In fact, let's sweeten the deal an all Who and all Clash version of the game! Who's with me?!

[HPLabonte]

dude....

from another thread:

I just want to see more clash and more who

a lot more clash and who

like, full catalogs

The Clash:
The Clash
Give 'Em Enough Rope
London Calling
Sandanista!
Combat Rock

The Who:
My Generation
Sell Out
Meaty Beaty Big And Bouncy
A Quick One
Tommy
Who's Next
Odds and Sods
Quadrophenia
Who by Numbers
Who are You
Face Dances
It's Hard
Endless Wire

that way, I can do a real cool Who setlist:

or a greatest hits WHOLBUM including the following so I'd have an AWESOME setlist:

I Can't Explain
The Seeker
Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere
Substitute
Baba O'Riley
Who Are You
Bargain
You Better, You Bet
Eminence Front
Love, Reign O'er Me
Behind Blue Eyes
Sea and Sand
The Real Me
My Generation
Won't Get Fooled Again

Encore:
The Kids Are Alright
A Quick One While He's Away
Tommy Overture
Amazing Journey/Sparks
We're Not Gonna Take It/See Me, Feel Me
Tea and Theatre

[whofan]

Great list! However, you missed a few key Who songs there:
Bell Boy (Drums would be crazy!)

Well, okay, you missed one... but it's the best one out there!

[HPLabonte]

oh man, really? haha

I love that song, everything about it.

the whole ****in album, too, Vocals, guitar, drums, bass, all.... perfect. it's the perfect album.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Because people's lifestyles are harmful to other people.

Shoot Heroin? You support terrorism.
Drink and drive? You endanger everyone elses lives.
promiscous sex? you put all those other people at risk for STD's.

Wake up and think of the reprecussions of your behavior that go beyond you.

cry me a river. Im sorry man, but an addict to heroin has more immediate problems than the hipocrisy of giving money to the mob.

By the way, someone here said something about respecting other people's views...

I respect the Ops views, but I still think they are ridiculous. Christian version? Its not a matter of views, its not a matter of morals...its a matter of just how silly that sounds! Is nobody here aware of how ****ing stupid that sounds? A christian version? Give me a break!

So, where's the Islamic and the Buddhist version?

[GrayInvisible]

Because people's lifestyles are harmful to other people.

Shoot Heroin? You support terrorism.
Drink and drive? You endanger everyone elses lives.
promiscous sex? you put all those other people at risk for STD's.

Wake up and think of the reprecussions of your behavior that go beyond you.

1. You support terrorism because that's the only place to get the drugs. Hardly the drug users fault, it's the governments fault.

2. You're not supposed to drink & drive. That actually harms other people, and I obviously wasn't talking about lifestyles that put others in harm.

3. People are supposed to use condoms anyway. If people want to have promiscuous sex, let them. If you don't want to get infected, find someone clean, or a use a condom.

[newwaytodie]

cry me a river. Im sorry man, but an addict to heroin has more immediate problems than the hipocrisy of giving money to the mob.


Thats my point also. Peoples' lifestyles, when they are destructive, hurt others as well as themselves. Whether they realize it or not. But they justify their behavior by rejecting religion which, speaking in terms of modern Christianity, has no real negative effect on anyone. I'm well aware that religion can and has been manipulated by governments and other powers that be to control people, but realistically, self-destruction will lead to harming others. I didn't always used to think that way either.

Anyway, I'm totally against a "Christian" version of Rock Band anyway. It was just Gray's post that singled out Christianity as the typical and overused "enemy" of the free person.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

All in all, whoever gets destroyed by another person's lifestyle has no will either.

Of course, if the lifestyle is gangbanging then I guess you dont choose to get harmed by that, huh? haha

[Reaper0563]

why hasn't this been locked yet? its not even about music anymore . . . just judging other peoples lifestyles, pathetic

[dodgyknees]

deleted. incorrect quote.

[dodgyknees]

why hasn't this been locked yet? its not even about music anymore . . . just judging other peoples lifestyles, pathetic


qft. lock it. i have no interest in debating religion on this otherwise great forum.

[no_direction_home]

it will never happen nuff said.
wow religious debates really bring out the best and the worst in people.
p.s. quit trying to push your beliefs on every one else AVONCentralOH

[CaptainHowdy101]

I'm sure it would be popular among the Christian crowd, but it would be kind of inappropriate for them to make a "christian edition". The chances of that are very very slim.

I think there is a slightly bigger chance of an E rated expansion pack, or downloadable packs. Again though, this only appeals to a limited audience, so you need to think about the business side of things.

I have nothing against playing christian music in the game, as long as it is fun.

[JackBNimble]

Why dont some chistian dev's come up with their own version of RB?They have plenty of tax free money!...........Besides ,there are plenty of other religons in USA and Canada,are you going to leave them out ?What about the Muslims or Hindus or Judaism...............do you see where I'm going with this?Religon has no place in a game like this,unless it is to be focused on one specific group.All religon does is put up barriers and walls,you can't push what you believe on people and exspect respect.No christian here would listen to what any Muslim or Hindo believes.You may give them respect but your not going to let them SHOVE what they believe down your throat!
If any religon wants a game like this then they should just make it for themselves.





BTW I grew up in a EXTREMELY religous home so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about.

[AVONCentralOH]

WOW... I had no idea that this would create such a contriversy. I just wanted something for families and youth ministries to be able to use and enjoy.

I never said that anyone had to become a Christian. I never said that anyone was going to hell. I never put a gun to anyone's head to support my platform or faith. I did not attempt to steal your money to support the development of this idea or find a way to force each of you to buy it. Perhaps those of you quick to judge me for having values are feeling guilty because you are lacking? I can't understand why you would attack someone who has not provoked or judged you first.

I simply petitioned for a product becuase I see a need/want in the market. Regardless of what faith you are, this is a market however small it may be.

Here is what I do know:
1) I am not the only parent in America looking for wholesome ways to entertain my children. I am not the only person in America who listens solely to Christian Music.
2) My church is not the only church in America that uses various gaming systems to entertain teens in our Youth Ministry and that these churches are also looking for wholesome content for the games the permit in thier churches.

If you do not choose to live a lifestyle like mine; that is fine. Our forefathers founded our country on their principals of freedom including freedom of religion and freedom expression. I am simply expressing my faith and values and we do not have to agree; we have to agree to disagree and give proper respect.

Since having a Praise and Worship edition of Guitar Hero or Karoke Revolution is so offensive to many of you, should all retail sales and production of the Bible be prohibited? I think not. Frankly, if the Buddhists, Jews, and Hindu wanted versions of these games for their people, then they too should petition and vote with the dollar as each of us does regardless of faith, sexual preference, or race. The Bible continues to be the best selling book of all time because people are willing to support it with their money; the market will continue to support it.

All I asked is that the research be done to see if my idea would be supported by the market. If you don't like the idea. That is fine. You don't have to buy it but I also believe that if I didn't have something that all the major platforms would not have allowed the VeggieTales game "LarryBoy and the Bad Apple" would not have enjoyed the level of success that it has. While we may or may not be the majoriyt, Christians are a demographic market and we deserve to have products developed to suit our needs.

I wish each of you the best on your future endeavors.

[Jack_Harvard]

WOW... I had no idea that this would create such a contriversy. I just wanted something for families and youth ministries to be able to use and enjoy.

I never said that anyone had to become a Christian. I never said that anyone was going to hell. I never put a gun to anyone's head to support my platform or faith. I did not attempt to steal your money to support the development of this idea or find a way to force each of you to buy it. Perhaps those of you quick to judge me for having values are feeling guilty because you are lacking? I can't understand why you would attack someone who has not provoked or judged you first.

I simply petitioned for a product becuase I see a need/want in the market. Regardless of what faith you are, this is a market however small it may be.

Here is what I do know:
1) I am not the only parent in America looking for wholesome ways to entertain my children. I am not the only person in America who listens solely to Christian Music.
2) My church is not the only church in America that uses various gaming systems to entertain teens in our Youth Ministry and that these churches are also looking for wholesome content for the games the permit in thier churches.

If you do not choose to live a lifestyle like mine; that is fine. Our forefathers founded our country on their principals of freedom including freedom of religion and freedom expression. I am simply expressing my faith and values and we do not have to agree; we have to agree to disagree and give proper respect.

Since having a Praise and Worship edition of Guitar Hero or Karoke Revolution is so offensive to many of you, should all retail sales and production of the Bible be prohibited? I think not. Frankly, if the Buddhists, Jews, and Hindu wanted versions of these games for their people, then they too should petition and vote with the dollar as each of us does regardless of faith, sexual preference, or race. The Bible continues to be the best selling book of all time because people are willing to support it with their money; the market will continue to support it.

All I asked is that the research be done to see if my idea would be supported by the market. If you don't like the idea. That is fine. You don't have to buy it but I also believe that if I didn't have something that all the major platforms would not have allowed the VeggieTales game "LarryBoy and the Bad Apple" would not have enjoyed the level of success that it has. While we may or may not be the majoriyt, Christians are a demographic market and we deserve to have products developed to suit our needs.

I wish each of you the best on your future endeavors.


Well, I was going to stay out of this whole mess, but I felt compelled :o

First, I'd like to say that as an atheist, I am ashamed at the disrespect you have been shown by many of the posters here. However, if you will permit me, I would like to express my views on the issue.

I understand that the devout Christians are a growing demographic within the sales world, but there will more than likely never be and official "Rock Band" game devoted entirely to Christian music. The reason for this is because of the cost and effort put into the actual game discs. This goes beyond simple song selection and mapping. To make a fulfilling game like this, you need character and locations, as well as realistic animations. Harmonix would see no profit from such a game. As has been mentioned previously, there might be (and more than likely will be) Christian music Downloadable Content, which can be played with the game disc. This allows you the parent (and any Youth Ministries) to customize the playable content in the game.

Now, if I may try to explain why people might have reacted hostilely to your posts. I suspect the reason is mostly based on different understandings of intent. You have said in a previous post that you haven't judged anyone. Based on your words, that is true. However, as someone who has been treated poorly by Christians, I can see where some might construe your statements as a passive form of judgment, namely, when you call certain practices immoral. Also, anytime the subject of religion is brought to a non-religion-based forum, the results are typically the same, so please don't feel personally picked on ;)

Once again, I'm sorry that you feel harassed. I wish the best to you in your future endeavors, as well.

[TheREVALOProject]

Not all christians throw stones at other religions and say "That is not the path God intended for you" or even ignore the atheists.
Im a christian, yet i don't critisize other people's believings, that is not how we should treat people.

As for Christian DLC, sure why not?
Gospel music or Christian Jazz could be included here and ive heard christian jazz with electric guitars and man! the solos are insane yet powerful, something that can take the 4 aspects of Rock Band (Bass, Guitar, Drums, Mic) and MAKE THEM FUN, for im sure you want it to appeal parents and enteirtain children.

[coheedfails]

I myself am an atheist, and i accept the reality that if i am wrong and there is a god and if judgement is passed i know i will not be saved, but i also don't look down on other people for their beleifs, people need something to believe in and who am i to judge for what they believe in, that being said, i do not believe that a whole game dedicated purely to christian music would be very smart, there is just too high of a conflict probablity, but i am not against DLC christian songs, lately i have found myself liking christian bands (Destroy The Runner, The Chariot, Haste The Day, MEwithoutYOU, UnderOath, As Cities Burn, Dead Poetic, Further Seems Forever) etc. etc. and i would love to see songs by any of these bands in the game. :)

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I wont make this long and boring like the others.

You may not be the only christian-art hating person in your country, but you are the one here. You didnt insult anyone directly, but come on, think about it....A christian edition? When has there been a chrsitian edition of ANYTHING? (aside from the world itself)

Guitar hero is a wholesome way to enjoy with your family. Maybe listen to the songs and judge for yourself before your kids play it. Which anyway, I think is a complete overreaction and very exaggerated on your part.

And your comment on values is completely out of line. We ALL have values. You see, values have NOTHING to do with religion. Everybody has values, cuz we ALL know whats right, whats wrong, what must be valued, and what must be discarded. As for me, your art-hating censorship has to be discarded.

By the way, I hate children. They are not real people, and they should be thankful we even try to entertain them. Give em a ball of wool to play with until they become real people.

How about a Shaman Guitar Hero? Simulate the chantings and the dances? How about a Jewish edition? An orthodox greek edition!!! AWESOME! \m/

[Rev0lver]

i never said a praise and worship edition was offensive to me, i just think it's a stupid idea. it would be a waste of hmx's or neversoft's time.

[deputysalty]

I find it ironic that you want Christian in a music game called "Rock Band." Personally, the genre of Rock is deeply tied with rebellion. I do not see your censorship of music as compatible with the basic nature of the game and the music. Also, I doubt the Christian market would go for such an edition. Also, you must have a different definition of success referring to this Veggie Tales game.

Of course, there are two things one should never argue: Religion and Politics.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Because noone will talk about it nothing will ever change in the world.

[h2theizzo]

haha, when I read the original post my first thought was to make a sarcastic smart ass response about including pagan chants in the game or perhaps something from sesame st. or barnie. but then I thought, wait a sec, I'd really like to play The Song That Never Ends in RB. It would be hilarious. plus it would piss the hell out of anybody in ear shot which is always a bonus. I wouldn't buy a disc with only this stuff, but maybe a single song, imagine how hilarious it would be to play kumbaiya with your friends haha, it would be awesome.