GH Fate?

[Train05]

I know this has probably came up a number of time but what do you think happen to the GH series if Rock Band 2 majorly beat GHWT in sales and reviews. The biggest problem I see with GHWT is the graphics. They have almost have had the same graphics since GH3. Now one thing that is interesting is this: In the many years that the Tony Hawk seies has been around, the game has relatively has had good to great ratings. Well the latest game only got a 7.1 according to IGN. How does this deal with GH? Well listen to this: Guitar Hero 3 Companion Pack only got a 5.3 by IGN! Also Guitar Hero On Tour only got a 3 out of 5 star rating on X-play. Also Guitar Hero Aerosmith had only got a 7.3 by IGN! Guitar hero 2 got a 9.5 by IGN and if I am right it got a 5 out of 5 star rating on X-play. So this maybe good news for Rock Band becuase it may be a turning point for the GH series to go down.

[Magik_Tek]

I know this has probably came up a number of time but what do you think happen to the GH series if Rock Band 2 majorly beat GHWT in sales and reviews. The biggest problem I see with GHWT is the graphics. They have almost have had the same graphics since GH3. Now one thing that is interesting is this: In the may years that the Tony Hawk seies has been around, the game has relatively has had good to great ratings. Well the latest game only got a 7.1 according to IGN. How does this deal with GH? Well listen to this: Guitar Hero 3 Companion Pack only got a 5.3 by IGN! Also Guitar Hero On Tour only got a 3 out of 5 star rating on X-play. Also Guitar Hero Aerosmith had only got a 7.3 by IGN! Guitar hero 2 got a 9.5 by IGN and if I am right it got a 5 out of 5 star rating on X-play. So this maybe good news for Rock Band becuase it may be a turning point for the GH series to go down.

Rock Band 2 will not majorly beat GHWT in sales because:

1.) In terms of Brand power, the Guitar Hero Franchise is still the most recognizable of the two. People gravitate to what they know better and Guitar Hero is that brand people think of. Your average joe walking down the street has a better chance of knowing 'Guitar Hero' than 'Rock Band'.
2.) Exclusivity to the 360 for a few months have really left a bad taste in the mouths of PS3/PS2/Wii owners and also a lot of resentment for playing favourites.
3.) Rock Band blew their opportunity to capitilize on the Wii market by releasing Rock Band so late, and worse of all, they released a port of the PS2. GHWT will own a large majority of the Wii userbase because of this.

The Guitar Hero franchise is going no where regardless of how well Rock Band 2 does or even if GHWT falls flat on its face. Guitar Hero will continue to release more titles going forward for a long time and will continue make a ton of money.

The competition between both Rock Band and Guitar Hero will continue to go on for some time and will ultimately benefit us, the consumers, the most because both franchises will go above and beyond to win our money.

[Tego1in]

Activision just looked at what people wanted after RB was released and put it on GHWT. No thought at all.

What is with people replying that have to quote the entire message for no reason?

[Axe Man]

Rock Band 2 will not majorly beat GHWT in sales because:

1.) In terms of Brand power, the Guitar Hero Franchise is still the most recognizable of the two. People gravitate to what they know better and Guitar Hero is that brand people think of. Your average joe walking down the street has a better chance of knowing 'Guitar Hero' than 'Rock Band'.
2.) Exclusivity to the 360 for a few months have really left a bad taste in the mouths of PS3/PS2/Wii owners and also a lot of resentment for playing favourites.
3.) Rock Band blew their opportunity to capitilize on the Wii market by releasing Rock Band so late, and worse of all, they released a port of the PS2. GHWT will own a large majority of the Wii userbase because of this.

The Guitar Hero franchise is going no where regardless of how well Rock Band 2 does or even if GHWT falls flat on its face. Guitar Hero will continue to release more titles going forward for a long time and will make a ton of money.

1) Guitar Hero is known for "Guitars" not band and if someone asks you "Do you prefer Rock BAND or Guitar Hero World Tour?" GH:WT sounds like yet another one player game from Activision where as Rock Band sounds like a party game.

2) ps2 and 3 from what I have been able to gather are being delayed due to bugs in the system the SONY is dragging there heels on. Again can't hold HMX responsible.

2)Wii was delayed by Nintendo not HMX so I wish people would stop blaming HMX.

GH:WT is way behind and as I said before, with gas, food and utilites climbing so high the equation for GH is.....Bad clone + no DLC + 189.00 = failure


RB will have four million games in hand by RB2 release date. That plus a close to a 400 song library vs 80 for GH:WT. It's not rocket science.

[toMsons1987]

Rock Band 2 will not majorly beat GHWT in sales because:

1.) In terms of Brand power, the Guitar Hero Franchise is still the most recognizable of the two. People gravitate to what they know better and Guitar Hero is that brand people think of. Your average joe walking down the street has a better chance of knowing 'Guitar Hero' than 'Rock Band'.
2.) Exclusivity to the 360 for a few months have really left a bad taste in the mouths of PS3/PS2/Wii owners and also a lot of resentment for playing favourites.
3.) Rock Band blew their opportunity to capitilize on the Wii market by releasing Rock Band so late, and worse of all, they released a port of the PS2. GHWT will own a large majority of the Wii userbase because of this.

The Guitar Hero franchise is going no where regardless of how well Rock Band 2 does or even if GHWT falls flat on its face. Guitar Hero will continue to release more titles going forward for a long time and will continue make a ton of money.

The competition between both Rock Band and Guitar Hero will continue to go on for some time and will ultimately benefit us, the consumers, the most because both franchises will go above and beyond to win our money.
1. Yes GH is a more known brand, might not matter for a full band game though. People think GH, they think Guitar. Though HMX has to campaign that they created GH, sell experience. Majority some how don't know this!

2. A delay is for a reason, expect good things. For one action is a reaction. Talking about this is just pure anger and speculation, no logic found here. I rather keep off this subject.

3. Nintendo screwed itself over with Rock Band, first RB wasn't even supposed to be available for the Wii. It's because of HMX that it's even their; But it's not a next generation system with no internal HD. Thus you will miss things like DLC, and some other features. No on the Nintendo site and complain they made a POS system with weird controls.

[nicko68]

Bad clone + no DLC + 189.00 = failure

Wii online play + DLC + better quality instruments = WIN

Note how GH:WT announced drums with silicone pads, and, oh look, RB2 will also have drums with silicone pads. You can thank Activision for that one. Why didn't RB do that from the get go?

[Maxyboy13]

Guitar Hero will not die for at least a few more installments because of its name. Then people will realize that they've been getting the same thing over and over. It's what happened to Tony Hawk and it's why Skate completely obliterated it. The only way HMX can win is

1.By Flaunting That They Created GH In The First Place

2.Getting it into the subconcious of the public that GH:WT is an imitator

3.Getting some major marketing behind RB2

4.Finally, and this will guarantee dominance over GH:WT, get RB2 on Oprah and all the other daytime shows. Seriously Oprah's millions of moms will buy RB2 if Oprah tells them to get it instead of GH:WT

This is the only way RB2 can win. Otherwise it will take the general public a couple more years to succumb to the "Tony Hawk Effect" of GH.

[nicko68]

Guitar Hero will not die for at least a few more installments because of its name. Then people will realize that they've been getting the same thing over and over.

I see a difference between a skateboarding game and a music game "doing the same thing over and over again". It's getting new songs that keeps the music game fresh.

Say that HMX hadn't needed to release RB2 for awhile because RB truly *was* the platform, and they were just cranking out DLC week after week. Is that not just the same thing over and over by your definition? The gameplay is the same, just different music.

[Axe Man]

Wii online play + DLC + better quality instruments = WIN

Note how GH:WT announced drums with silicone pads, and, oh look, RB2 will also have drums with silicone pads. You can thank Activision for that one. Why didn't RB do that from the get go?

Sorry bud, there is no DLC for GH:WT...yet, and lots of things have gotten better over the past year, TVs and cars, computers. Good thing car makers don't think that way or we all would still be driving the Model A. Who's to say HMX stole from GH, maybe it was the other way around.

I'm glad your getting your online play with Wii but I think your anger over Wiis delay and bugs is misplaced as I said before along with others. Your precious nintendo held things up on the Wii not HMX. You are lucky that HMX talked Nintendo into even having Rock Band. Otherwise GH wouldn't be getting their shot either.

[sumo390]

From the creators of the Guitar Hero series and Rock Band, ROCK BAND 2! EAT IT!

[Train05]

Guitar Hero will not die for at least a few more installments because of its name. Then people will realize that they've been getting the same thing over and over. It's what happened to Tony Hawk and it's why Skate completely obliterated it. The only way HMX can win is

1.By Flaunting That They Created GH In The First Place

2.Getting it into the subconcious of the public that GH:WT is an imitator

3.Getting some major marketing behind RB2

4.Finally, and this will guarantee dominance over GH:WT, get RB2 on Oprah and all the other daytime shows. Seriously Oprah's millions of moms will buy RB2 if Oprah tells them to get it instead of GH:WT

This is the only way RB2 can win. Otherwise it will take the general public a couple more years to succumb to the "Tony Hawk Effect" of GH.

This guy has it down!

[Axe Man]

From the creators of the Guitar Hero series and Rock Band, ROCK BAND 2! EAT IT!

Is somebody of there meds??:D

[Maxyboy13]

I see a difference between a skateboarding game and a music game "doing the same thing over and over again". It's getting new songs that keeps the music game fresh.

Say that HMX hadn't needed to release RB2 for awhile because RB truly *was* the platform, and they were just cranking out DLC week after week. Is that not just the same thing over and over by your definition? The gameplay is the same, just different music.

I see where you're coming from, but I do not see that much of a difference. Activision releases several GH games a year and I truly believe that the general public will grow tired of it. If GH was a once-a-year thing than I could see people sticking with it, but it simply isn't.Activision doesn't continue to support their games like HMX does. They force you to buy an entirely new game every year if you want a new experience. With RB, you can simply pay a dollar or two for an extra shot of life. HMX is really upping the ante by keeping RB1 supported after RB2 is released.

BTW: This is a list of all the GH games Activision plans for this fiscal year.

GH: Aerosmith
GH: On Tour
GH: Metallica
GH: World Tour
GH: Another Ds Game

I think the public will realize that they're getting milked.

[Train05]

Also you got think about time issues. Think about it: Guitar Hero 1,2,3 had been a major upgrade in instrument type games. Well when you all of a sudden have a company like Harmonixs which they are purely on making instrument games this is going to cause major impact. The people like IGN and Game Stop will all of a sudden see the company like Guitar Hero will think it is time for the company to improve and step up. Now we all know that GHWT is going to have a custom song maker but what are really going after? Playing our favorite songs or sitting on the couch for a good while and perhaps having to mess with difficult song controls and making a half ass song with no lyrics. I like how Maxyboy13 said the "Tony Hawk effect." Eventually the public will get sick of the numbers of games GH has brought out and say I am going to Harmonixs.

[mazzy]

I think that it is more that RB2 is how HMX originally planned their platform. They released RB1 as a compromise to get the game out and figured that they would fix it with patches over time.... But they found that patches over multiple game systems is a tough and complex thing....

Then activision announced GHWT and HMX wanted to build RB up to everything it could be to compete... and a new disc was the only way to do it....

At least that is how I see it anyways...

[nicko68]

Activision releases several GH games a year and I truly believe that the general public will grow tired of it.

(snip...)

BTW: This is a list of all the GH games Activision plans for this fiscal year.

GH: Aerosmith
GH: On Tour
GH: Metallica
GH: World Tour
GH: Another Ds Game

I think the public will realize that they're getting milked.

First off, you can't consider GH:OT and GH:Another DS game in the same list as the others. They're offshoots. There are a lot of people who have a 360/PS3/Wii/PS2 and don't have a DS, or vice versa. So they released possibly 2 DS games this year.

GH3 came out Oct 2007. GH:A came out this June. GH:WT doesn't come out until THIS October, a full year after GH3. So there were 2 games released in a year (Oct 2007 - Sep 2008) GH:Metallica will likely be out in Spring 2009, so again, 2 games in a year (GH:WT and GH:M).

GH1 came out in Sep 2005 and GH2 in Sep 2006. Was that 2 games in a year, or one per year?

I just don't see the market being flooded. 2 games in a year doesn't seem that much to me.

[Maxyboy13]

First off, you can't consider GH:OT and GH:Another DS game in the same list as the others. They're offshoots. There are a lot of people who have a 360/PS3/Wii/PS2 and don't have a DS, or vice versa. So they released possibly 2 DS games this year.

GH3 came out Oct 2007. GH:A came out this June. GH:WT doesn't come out until THIS October, a full year after GH3. So there were 2 games released in a year (Oct 2007 - Sep 2008) GH:Metallica will likely be out in Spring 2009, so again, 2 games in a year (GH:WT and GH:M).

GH1 came out in Sep 2005 and GH2 in Sep 2006. Was that 2 games in a year, or one per year?

I just don't see the market being flooded. 2 games in a year doesn't seem that much to me.

That doesn't excuse the fact that the GH name is being milked. Can you really call it GH when it has Drums and Vocals in it? The least they could of done was call it Band Hero. On top of that is the fact that GH stole the subtitle for their new game directly from RB's main mode. That's just not cool.

[Train05]

Another problem with GHWT: You will have to pay probably another 50 dollars for another disk. We, as in DLC, get the advantage of getting some free tracks and we can choose the songs we want or don't want. So that means the guy down the street who dosen't like Nirvana or any other type of band dosen't have to get it for there are many other songs he can download.

[drno830]

While they may only have what you consider "two games" a year, they are milking whatever they can out of this brand. Air Guitar Hero? A keychain Guitar Hero that doesn't even work well. Guitar Hero Action Figures. The list goes on

[nicko68]

That doesn't excuse the fact that the GH name is being milked. Can you really call it GH when it has Drums and Vocals in it? The least they could of done was call it Band Hero.

Oh c'mon. Band Hero is a terrible name. First off, what does it even mean? At least a "Guitar Hero" has a meaning (i.e. I want to be a "guitar hero"). Has a group of people ever said "We want to be (a?) band hero(es)?" Second, it would sound like a cheap knockoff of BOTH Guitar Hero and Rock Band.

Guitar Hero is a well-recognized name. Why would they throw it out? They probably could have done better than World Tour though, like GH:Joining the Band, or something like that.

[Sonofmogh]

1) Guitar Hero is known for "Guitars" not band and if someone asks you "Do you prefer Rock BAND or Guitar Hero World Tour?" GH:WT sounds like yet another one player game from Activision where as Rock Band sounds like a party game.

2) ps2 and 3 from what I have been able to gather are being delayed due to bugs in the system the SONY is dragging there heels on. Again can't hold HMX responsible.

2)Wii was delayed by Nintendo not HMX so I wish people would stop blaming HMX.

GH:WT is way behind and as I said before, with gas, food and utilites climbing so high the equation for GH is.....Bad clone + no DLC + 189.00 = failure


RB will have four million games in hand by RB2 release date. That plus a close to a 400 song library vs 80 for GH:WT. It's not rocket science.


Well said. And the people who still like Guitar Hero like it because of the single player experience and the "score heavy concentration"... a lot of them are being turned off to the idea that their rhythm game has sold out (Now they're pissed off at the prospect of having to choose between Rock Band 2 and Rock Band Clone).

Don't hold HMX responsible because your console is either physically inferior (Wii/PS2) or doesn't give HMX the support they need (PS3).

And don't argue with me and call me a "pig-headed 360 fanboy" or whatever... it's the truth.

Everyone knows that the Wii is physically inferior; there is no hard drive and the graphics and online support are of vastly lower quality... the redeeming quality is in nintendo's franchise games and the innovative Wiimote (which I don't think works very well, but that's an unrelated issue). Sorry if this is new news to you, but Wii owners need to not blame HMX... they did the best they could given the circumstances.

As for the PS2... IT'S A SIXTH GENERATION CONSOLE! WTF ARE PEOPLE THINKING WHEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT PS2 SUPPORT??? That'd be like an NES owner complaining because nintendo isn't releasing Super Mario World on the NES... or at least if they did, it'd be like complaining that it was of lesser quality. The PS2 version is obviously going to be stripped down and people should be happy that HMX even brought the game to their outdated console...I don't mean to be mean or aggressive, but it's difficult to understand the mentality of some people.

The PS3 is physically capable of everything the 360 is and more (except in the area of online support, but the differences in that area are mostly aesthetic and inconsequencial), but Sony has been dragging their heels and Microsoft stepped in and said "hey... wanna make this temporarily exclusive for us? It'd really help us out." or something and the rest is history, so I feel sorry for you PS3 owners; it seems like you are constantly being shafted, which is unfair, but it's not HMX's fault.

Don't interpret any of my post as inflammatory 'console war' material. I'm simply stating the facts, and any logical/reasonable gamer should agree with most of what I've said. I will under NO CIRCUMSTANCE respond to any console warring bull$#!^ or accusations that I am being such. I'm not. If you want to take it that way, keep it to yourself.

[nicko68]

While they may only have what you consider "two games" a year, they are milking whatever they can out of this brand. Air Guitar Hero? A keychain Guitar Hero that doesn't even work well. Guitar Hero Action Figures. The list goes on

Rock Band Stage Kit?
Rock Band premium mic?

[Train05]

Rock Band Stage Kit?
Rock Band premium mic?


Dude this stuff is meant for a bigger badder RB party and a more realistic Rock Band experience.

[nicko68]

Everyone knows that the Wii is physically inferior; there is no hard drive and the graphics and online support are of vastly lower quality... the redeeming quality is in nintendo's franchise games and the innovative Wiimote (which I don't think works very well, but that's an unrelated issue). Sorry if this is new news to you, but Wii owners need to not blame HMX... they did the best they could given the circumstances.

So HMX *couldn't* support online play with the Wii? Then why could Activision?

[ScottyTheBody]

1) Guitar Hero is known for "Guitars" not band and if someone asks you "Do you prefer Rock BAND or Guitar Hero World Tour?" GH:WT sounds like yet another one player game from Activision where as Rock Band sounds like a party game.

2) ps2 and 3 from what I have been able to gather are being delayed due to bugs in the system the SONY is dragging there heels on. Again can't hold HMX responsible.

2)Wii was delayed by Nintendo not HMX so I wish people would stop blaming HMX.

GH:WT is way behind and as I said before, with gas, food and utilites climbing so high the equation for GH is.....Bad clone + no DLC + 189.00 = failure


RB will have four million games in hand by RB2 release date. That plus a close to a 400 song library vs 80 for GH:WT. It's not rocket science.


1) If you go out on the stree and ask a random person if they like Rock Band or Guitar Hero, they'll say "What's Rock Band?". People are more familiar with the BRAND name and whether you want to believe it or not, it is selling better than Rock Band.

2) Wow I can't believe this has to be stated AGAIN. I guess people just choose to ignore straight out FACTS and believe whatever they want. People at first speculated it was due to Sony issues (with NO basing just guessing). However HMX HAS STATED IT IS A TIME EXCLUSIVE WITH MICROSOFT. That means Microsoft paid HMX for the TIME EXCLUSIVE of Rock Band 2 (hence why you don't see other versions in Europe).

[ScottyTheBody]

Milking?

How about a sequel being released NOT even a year after it's initial release (and in fact it hasn't even been released yet in other countries). Even sports games wait at least a year.

[Maxyboy13]

Milking?

How about a sequel being released NOT even a year after it's initial release (and in fact it hasn't even been released yet in other countries). Even sports games wait at least a year.

Because GH would NEVER release a sequel before a year has gone by. *cough*Gh:Aerosmith*cough. Sorry I have something in my throat. It's the distinct taste of MILK.

[CKarinja]

Guitar Hero will continue on because of its brand power. Harmonix did a great job with the first two, but what they did is create their competition. I find it funny though, because when my friend comes over he says to me:
"Let's go play Guitar Hero."
I'm like, "Don't you mean Rock Band?"
"Uh yeah..."

The next time he comes over he says, "Let's play Guitar Hero", so I just pop in Rock Band and we start playing. He loves Rock Band, but keeps calling it Guitar Hero, even though we never play it and we both think it sucks compared to Rock Band's greatness. To me, it's the brand that is against Rock Band, because gameplay-wise, Rock Band is better. And he still calls it Guitar Hero after we've played it a billion times, but that might be because he just plays the Guitar...

[ScottyTheBody]

Because GH would NEVER release a sequel before a year has gone by. *cough*Gh:Aerosmith*cough. Sorry I have something in my throat. It's the distinct taste of MILK.

Believe it or not I think they're BOTH milking their customers. But we've got nothing else to turn to. It's like deciding between Mac and PC. They both suck and the alternative (Rock Rebellion) Linux just isn't appealing.

[Maxyboy13]

Believe it or not I think they're BOTH milking their customers. But we've got nothing else to turn to. It's like deciding between Mac and PC. They both suck and the alternative (Rock Rebellion) Linux just isn't appealing.

LOL. By the way, I think the game is Rock Revolution, Rock Rebellion is a song by Bang Camaro.:D

[ScottyTheBody]

LOL. By the way, I think the game is Rock Revolution, Rock Rebellion is a song by Bang Camaro.:D

My bad. Though I like that song.

[Magik_Tek]

1) Guitar Hero is known for "Guitars" not band and if someone asks you "Do you prefer Rock BAND or Guitar Hero World Tour?" GH:WT sounds like yet another one player game from Activision where as Rock Band sounds like a party game.

2) ps2 and 3 from what I have been able to gather are being delayed due to bugs in the system the SONY is dragging there heels on. Again can't hold HMX responsible.

2)Wii was delayed by Nintendo not HMX so I wish people would stop blaming HMX.

GH:WT is way behind and as I said before, with gas, food and utilites climbing so high the equation for GH is.....Bad clone + no DLC + 189.00 = failure

RB will have four million games in hand by RB2 release date. That plus a close to a 400 song library vs 80 for GH:WT. It's not rocket science.

It doesn't matter if Guitar Hero is known for 'Guitars'. When your average consumer sees Rock Band on screen, the first thing they will think of is 'Guitar Hero' because of the similarites and the fact that 'Guitar Hero' is an established mainstream product.

I do agree that Sony's online system has problems, but that doesn't mean HMX should give the 360 exclusivity for a few months. Like I said before, all that does is breed dislike towards HMX even if it's not their fault. Take a look at the PS3 Rock Band 2 related threads on the internet. People are not happy.

Of course, Nintendo is to blame for not getting a proper storage system in time for Rock Band, but that doesn't excuse Rock Band 1 for not having online play when GHIII had it. The Wii has already one this generation in terms of userbase, and for HMX/MTV to not take the Wii as seriously as they should is wrong and a missed opportunity. Rock Band had the opportunity to clean house with the Wii audience but they blew it and basically handed that audience to Activision.

So with gas, food and utilites climbing so high Rock Band is somehow immune? How does that work? Activision still has the Guitar + Game bundle that would lower the price of entry for GHWT, which is something that Rock Band still doesn't have.

How can you say it's a 'bad clone' when you haven't played it yourself? And no DLC? Huh? GHWT is going to have DLC just like Rock Band. It may not have the large library that Rock Band does, it's still going to have DLC.

I don't see why people would assume Rock Band 2 would walk all over GHWT when GHWT is putting each platform on the same level with the same support where as Rock Band has clearly put the 360 as the priority over every other system.

[Magik_Tek]

1. Yes GH is a more known brand, might not matter for a full band game though. People think GH, they think Guitar. Though HMX has to campaign that they created GH, sell experience. Majority some how don't know this!

2. A delay is for a reason, expect good things. For one action is a reaction. Talking about this is just pure anger and speculation, no logic found here. I rather keep off this subject.

3. Nintendo screwed itself over with Rock Band, first RB wasn't even supposed to be available for the Wii. It's because of HMX that it's even their; But it's not a next generation system with no internal HD. Thus you will miss things like DLC, and some other features. No on the Nintendo site and complain they made a POS system with weird controls.

Fine, let's not speculate on why there's a delay, but make no mistake about it, people, especially PS3 owners are not happy. When the battle between two brands is this intense, neither side wants to lose people. Exclusivity will only hurt HMX in the long run.

If HMX truely wanted Rock Band on the Wii, they should have had Rock Band available the same day as the 360/PS3 versions, not months later. It's just HMX/MTV not believing in the Wii. The audience was theirs for the taking. They could have been swimming in tons of money but they blew it. Now that's not say that Nintendo wasn't at fault as well because it was their fault for not having a proper storage solution.

Not a next generation system? Good Lord. For a system that is not a 'Next Generation' system and a POS, it sure is wiping the floor with the PS3/360. DLC is possible on the Wii, the problem is storage, but it seems VV has found a way around it for GHWT.

[Aragha]

"Fine, let's not speculate on why there's a delay, but make no mistake about it, people, especially PS3 owners are not happy."

Well, the delay will only be until the Thursday after RB2 is released on a Tuesday. Huh? Huh? Do ya like that? HUH?

[Axe Man]

It doesn't matter if Guitar Hero is known for 'Guitars'. When your average consumer sees Rock Band on screen, the first thing they will think of is 'Guitar Hero' because of the similarites and the fact that 'Guitar Hero' is an established mainstream product.

I do agree that Sony's online system has problems, but that doesn't mean HMX should give the 360 exclusivity for a few months. Like I said before, all that does is breed dislike towards HMX even if it's not their fault. Take a look at the PS3 Rock Band 2 related threads on the internet. People are not happy.

Of course, Nintendo is to blame for not getting a proper storage system in time for Rock Band, but that doesn't excuse Rock Band 1 for not having online play when GHIII had it. The Wii has already one this generation in terms of userbase, and for HMX/MTV to not take the Wii as seriously as they should is wrong and a missed opportunity. Rock Band had the opportunity to clean house with the Wii audience but they blew it and basically handed that audience to Activision.

So with gas, food and utilites climbing so high Rock Band is somehow immune? How does that work? Activision still has the Guitar + Game bundle that would lower the price of entry for GHWT, which is something that Rock Band still doesn't have.

How can you say it's a 'bad clone' when you haven't played it yourself? And no DLC? Huh? GHWT is going to have DLC just like Rock Band. It may not have the large library that Rock Band does, it's still going to have DLC.

I don't see why people would assume Rock Band 2 would walk all over GHWT when GHWT is putting each platform on the same level with the same support where as Rock Band has clearly put the 360 as the priority over every other system.

As I see it:

1. Rock Band is similar how?? GH four isn't even out. GH may be main stream but so was Tony Hawk and looked what happened there. GH, I have to agree with a previous poster, is "milking" the public like they're stupid. Sooner or later the public will revolt. "Here is a NEW gh game", no it’s new songs you are charging an arm and a leg for. There will be EIGHT different GHs by the time world tour is released. Enough is enough; GH no longer has the monopoly.

2. I too am a ps3 owner and just like others I am upset, a LITTLE, but I will wait because as a RB 1 owner all I have to do is buy the disk. That is a lot cheaper than jumping ship to Activision.

3. HMX convinced Nintendo to let them in. I know this because Wii was the first system I shopped for when I was buying RB and I was told that under NO circumstances was Nintendo going to allow RB. So Wii owners should kiss HMXs feet for talking them into it because otherwise if were solely up to Nintendo they still wouldn't have it.

4. As far as price difference. There will be 4 Million RB games sold by the time RB2 comes out and since all the 4 million have to do is buy a 50 to 60 dollar disk to upgrade I believe they will do that instead of investing ANOTHER 189.99 on GH:WT. Yes GH players could buy just the disc and use there existing guitar but where are the drums?? 60 dollar game plus 80 to 90 dollar for a drum kit is still 150.00. You might as well buy the complete kit for 189.00. 50 bucks vs. 189? It isn't rocket science.

5. My point about DLC was that, when released RB will have a library of around 400 songs including DLC. GH will have their 80 on disk with no DLC, when released. People looking for variety in music will go with the bigger library. Also GH doesn't believe in music from late sixties thru the seventies so all that music will be no go as far as they are concerned. Pretty sad, there is a lot of good music in that 10 to 20 year span. And as to the "bad clone", did you watch the video? That was a press release where they should have put there best foot forward and the screen I saw was worse than ours. Even my daughter thinks GH graphics are horrible compared to RB and she is 10. I doubt the graphics are any different in world tour than they were in GH III.

6. RB wins the battle because of numbers. Refer to the previously mentioned 4 million RB owners. HMX already has the "band" base with DLC already purchased that is immediately transferable to RB2. Plus GH will be more expensive at 189 unless HMX is stupid and raises the price of their bundle.

[Train05]

Nice way to say it Axe man!:)

[Lithium_666]

i will compare the prices of GHWT and RB2, since im on ps3 and they are making us wait longer, RB2 bundle will have to be about 50 bucks cheaper for me to stay with RB, it doesnt even make sense for them to do that, its not gonna make anyone switch to a 360 from ps3 like microsoft hopes for, which i cant blame them for trying, its only gonna make ppl mad a HMX, not sony

[Axe Man]

i will compare the prices of GHWT and RB2, since im on ps3 and they are making us wait longer, RB2 bundle will have to be about 50 bucks cheaper for me to stay with RB, it doesnt even make sense for them to do that, its not gonna make anyone switch to a 360 from ps3 like microsoft hopes for, which i cant blame them for trying, its only gonna make ppl mad a HMX, not sony

RB2 for you will only be about 50 bucks as you already have instruments. All you need is the new disk.

[leftover_crack]

its going to become the next tony hawk where the first 2 were the best and it goes downhill from there

[Lithium_666]

RB2 for you will only be about 50 bucks as you already have instruments. All you need is the new disk.

no i will have to have a new drumset, i hate the loud one i have now, and im not taking the time to mod, i have better things to do

[Nitestorm]

Sorry bud, there is no DLC for GH:WT...yet, and lots of things have gotten better over the past year, TVs and cars, computers. Good thing car makers don't think that way or we all would still be driving the Model A. Who's to say HMX stole from GH, maybe it was the other way around.

I'm glad your getting your online play with Wii but I think your anger over Wiis delay and bugs is misplaced as I said before along with others. Your precious nintendo held things up on the Wii not HMX. You are lucky that HMX talked Nintendo into even having Rock Band. Otherwise GH wouldn't be getting their shot either.

Guitar Hero: World Tour has already been confirmed to have DLC on the Wii version. IGN has an article about it which even includes details on how it works - you can save the DLC onto internal memory or an SD card (known as the 'Rock Archive').

The following interview conducted by IGN confirms this:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/883/883120p1.html

Please indicate to me how Nintendo "held things up" on the Wii in regards to Rock Band? Harmonix held it up - they did not have the resources to develop the game simultaneously and decided to work on the Wii version last.

The following intervew with Harmonix confirms this: http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/05/29/rock-band-for-wii-not-an-after-thought/

Harmonix did not "talked Nintendo into even having Rock Band" - I can't even remotely fathom how this statement came about. The only thing Harmonix ever approached Nintendo about was in regards to a hard drive. Beyond that bringing Rock Band to the Wii was entirely a decision up to Harmonix. Third parties usually don't need to convince any company (Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony) to let them bring their title to that particular console, especially if it is a highly regarded one. Heck Nintendo lets crap like "Ninjabread Man" onto their console, I highly doubt they need to be "convinced" to have Rock Band onto their system.

[leftover_crack]

2) Wow I can't believe this has to be stated AGAIN. I guess people just choose to ignore straight out FACTS and believe whatever they want. People at first speculated it was due to Sony issues (with NO basing just guessing). However HMX HAS STATED IT IS A TIME EXCLUSIVE WITH MICROSOFT. That means Microsoft paid HMX for the TIME EXCLUSIVE of Rock Band 2 (hence why you don't see other versions in Europe).

thats definitely going to get sony to pay activision for gh wt to be time exclusive for ps3

[Nitestorm]

thats definitely going to get sony to pay activision for gh wt to be time exclusive for ps3

Activision is an extremely large corporation (much larger than MTV/Harmonix) and the Guitar Hero franchise is almost assured to do well sales wise - Sony would probably have to offer an absurd amount of money to offset the lost sales in delaying the release on the 360 and the Wii. This is especially true as it will likely sell better (based on current sales of GH3) on the other two systems as well. Don't forget it is being released on the PS2 as well - would Sony want to pay for a delay on their own system as well? Also note that GH3 sold better on the PS2 than on the PS3 too.

[MooTrain]

no i will have to have a new drumset, i hate the loud one i have now, and im not taking the time to mod, i have better things to do

Shell out $20 for the official silencers. The drums should have come with these on them. I've never been happier since purchasing them.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=70828

[Gatorguy91]

So HMX *couldn't* support online play with the Wii? Then why could Activision?

I have no idea. Ask Pi Studios, who created the wii version.