Sicko... anyone seen?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I understand Sicko has been out in America a little while but just this Friday it came out over here and I was very proud when he mentioned the British health system and the torments of the American system. It made me really think and it was funny and informative. I won't go into the whole thing cos I don't want a debate about the healthcare system, I just want to know if anyones seen.

[Bakkster]

I hate Michael Moore. He makes stuff up, talks about random crap, then calls it a "documentary". After watching Roger and Me and some episodes of his TV show, I've had no desire to watch anything of his again.

I've heard Sicko was actually somewhat accurate, but he's already lost my trust.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I hate Michael Moore. He makes stuff up, talks about random crap, then calls it a "documentary". After watching Roger and Me and some episodes of his TV show, I've had no desire to watch anything of his again.

I've heard Sicko was actually somewhat accurate, but he's already lost my trust.

Well the stuff he was talking about which I knew about (when he was talking about the NHS in the UK) was 100% accurate. I mean these stories of even the 9/11 heroes being given no healthcare, all these illnesses which the insurance company which will stop you getting it, it really made be sit up and think "i gotta stop complaining bout Britain cos we're lucky".

I shall never have a go at the American people as a whole again. But the American government... :P

[DShiz1029]

Michael Moore is a whinney (little?) *****ass. His parents gave him a ton of money and what he does with it is make pointless movies. Hes does nothing but sit on his ass all day and eat hotdogs. Hes really no help to America, or any other nation at that. Complaining about the healthcare system Mikey??? Look at yourself in the mirror first.

Bush isnt the best thing since sliced bread, but he did do a good thing by vetoing the child healthcare thing, simply because it protects those privately practicing doctors who trained in the medical field forever who provide excellent healthcare from getting underpaid due to a crappily funded universal healthcare system. That would in turn lead to those excellent doctors to slack off because their pay is crap. Private healthcare systems=awesome.

Thats all Im gonna say.

[tucsonovernite]

He was vindicated for farenheit 9/11 wasn't he? sicko was good and he strikes down the common misconception -as seen on this thread- that universal healtcare is is inherently inferior to having HMO's make our health care decions based on whether they can pull a profit. All i tend to see when people bring up complaints about universal healthcare are of an anecdotal nature--"oh my god in europe they have to wait 2 years to see a specialist" ya know, that alarmist bs....Sicko counters with empirical data

[gh2masterwellalmost]

They should make it compulsry viewing (sz my o on my keyboard is really hard to press atm) and you need to watch it cos some of your points are a little off.


Bush isnt the best thing since sliced bread, but he did do a good thing by vetoing the child healthcare thing, simply because it protects those privately practicing doctors who trained in the medical field forever who provide excellent healthcare from getting underpaid due to a crappily funded universal healthcare system.

This was carefully scrutinised in Sicko, by looking at Britain. We have a right wing government and our taxes are reativiey (my "l" is out too) low but he lookd at one british doctor who is on £90k a year ($180k) who gets bonuses depending on things like how many people he's stopped smoking, living in a £500,000 ($1 mil) house.

In the Government Health Services doctors are paid a LOT. And that veto plan means when your kid gets ill and you forgot to disclose that he had a yeast infection at one time well you're stuffed cos they'll stop you. Damn.


That would in turn lead to those excellent doctors to slack off because their pay is crap. Private healthcare systems=awesome.

Well I just proved that they're paid well but if you're well off then you neednt worry bout the poor. In the film, he does this jokey thing of the list of all the illnesses the insurance company wouldnt take to the Star Wars intro style theme and music, and my particular illness, Crohn's Disease, is not covered. So... if I suddenly got cancer I couldn't get my treatment.

You need to watch it pal.

[SmokaCola]

Honestly, I just don't care.

[FallenAce]

Well I just proved that they're paid well but if you're well off then you neednt worry bout the poor. In the film, he does this jokey thing of the list of all the illnesses the insurance company wouldnt take to the Star Wars intro style theme and music, and my particular illness, Crohn's Disease, is not covered. So... if I suddenly got cancer I couldn't get my treatment.

You need to watch it pal.

You need to watch what you say. You didn't "prove" anything. You referenced something else you take as fact. That does not make it fact, thus nothing is proven.

Also, Crohn's Disease is not a cancer, and if you got cancer, it would not be related to Crohn's Disease. You're referencing a pre-existing condition, and that rule is not universal either.

Trust me: I know <B>a lot</B> about the healthcare system... especially when it comes to Crohn's and pre-existing condition. You would be covered if your insurance isn't Sagamore, pretty much.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Also, Crohn's Disease is not a cancer, and if you got cancer, it would not be related to Crohn's Disease. You're referencing a pre-existing condition, and that rule is not universal either.

No no thats the thing. It doesn't matter whether its referenced or not, you are denied by the MAJORITY of healthcare companies if you have (long list of diseases). It doesn't matter whether its related or not, as that was what Michael Moore's point was, as one woman had a yeast infection and this stopped her from her cancer. And if you fail to mention anything, they have one guy who looks at each case so they could save more money. 10% of all applicants for health insurance get turned down.

EDIT: Thanks for your opinion, i'm sure you know more, I just stated the film. And yeah nice to know someone even knows what Crohn's is lol.

[FallenAce]

Ok let me just put it like this:

1. I have Crohn's Disease.
2. I have insurance through Blue Cross Blue Shield.

When I had Sagamore, they would not cover healthcare visits because it was a pre-exisiting condition.

Now, I have BCBS. After a short period, all of my related issues are covered. It depends on the policies of the healthcare provider. It's risk vs return; it's the basis of capitalism, and I get along fine with it.

Just like there are terrible internet providers, there are terrible healthcare providers. It's up to you to make an informed decision. That does not mean the system is inherently flawed, as Michael Moore, or "Fatty McGoo", would have you believe.

EDIT: I'd like to add, in reference to "Roger and Me", a little fact. A coworker of mine when I worked at MS lived in Flint, MI. There's a woman they show skinning rabbits who they state at the end of the movie as someone who later became a veterinarian, I believe. While this was years ago, and therefore I cannot remember the exact fact, the woman in question wasn't even selling rabbit meat, as the movie led you to believe; they just changed the information provided while they showed her skinning a rabbit. As well, she did not become a veterinarian. Odd, eh? It's like Fatty McGoo lied right to your face...

[whofan]

I hate Michael Moore. He makes stuff up, talks about random crap, then calls it a "documentary". After watching Roger and Me and some episodes of his TV show, I've had no desire to watch anything of his again.

I've heard Sicko was actually somewhat accurate, but he's already lost my trust.

Truth be told, he doesn't make any more up than the U.S. Government, CNN, or any other news service or government does.

Everybody tries to put their own spin on things to get people to convert. Need I remind people about the whole Iraq WMD situation?

Bush blatently and OBVIOUSLY lied about it and nobody goes after him with pitchforks, but if Michael Moore spins the truth slightly to get a point across (often a VALID point) he's burned in effigy.... what's with the double standard here? Somebody please enlighten me

[DShiz1029]

Truth be told, he doesn't make any more up than the U.S. Government, CNN, or any other news service or government does.

Everybody tries to put their own spin on things to get people to convert. Need I remind people about the whole Iraq WMD situation?

Bush blatently and OBVIOUSLY lied about it and nobody goes after him with pitchforks, but if Michael Moore spins the truth slightly to get a point across (often a VALID point) he's burned in effigy.... what's with the double standard here? Somebody please enlighten me

Im just gonna go inhabit a small island somewhere in the pacific.

[FallenAce]

I'll come to if we can use the same jokes we use in the Compliment thread about same-sex relationships between ourselves.

[DShiz1029]

I'll come to if we can use the same jokes we use in the Compliment thread about same-sex relationships between ourselves.

I will get back to you on that, I dont share beds very well.

[SmokaCola]

I will get back to you on that, I dont share beds very well.


Oh you shared very well last night ^_^

[Transbrak]

I really can't believe any one still believes anything micheal moore says, he will say and do anything to further his agenda of being in the spotlight.

[Kang_Zircon]

I really can't believe any one still believes anything micheal moore says, he will say and do anything to further his agenda of being in the spotlight.

Good Call - from the movies I've seen, that seems to be the only clear agenda he has.

[Bakkster]

EDIT: I'd like to add, in reference to "Roger and Me", a little fact. A coworker of mine when I worked at MS lived in Flint, MI. There's a woman they show skinning rabbits who they state at the end of the movie as someone who later became a veterinarian, I believe. While this was years ago, and therefore I cannot remember the exact fact, the woman in question wasn't even selling rabbit meat, as the movie led you to believe; they just changed the information provided while they showed her skinning a rabbit. As well, she did not become a veterinarian. Odd, eh? It's like Fatty McGoo lied right to your face...

I also had a friend whose dad worked for Ford during the Flint layoffs (subject of Roger and Me). When he watched it, he could barely find a bit of truth about it, and he was DIRECTLY AFFECTED by it. Sure, Flint has always been ****ty, but Moore only went to the very worst places, because he had an agenda.


Truth be told, he doesn't make any more up than the U.S. Government, CNN, or any other news service or government does.

Everybody tries to put their own spin on things to get people to convert. Need I remind people about the whole Iraq WMD situation?

Bush blatently and OBVIOUSLY lied about it and nobody goes after him with pitchforks, but if Michael Moore spins the truth slightly to get a point across (often a VALID point) he's burned in effigy.... what's with the double standard here? Somebody please enlighten me

So? I don't like Bush either and I can't wait until the election so that we can vote for one of the (maybe) 3 candidates who isn't horrible. Doesn't mean we should LET Michael Moore spew BS. Especially since a lot of left-wing whackos actually believe everything he say. It's just as bad as all the right-wing whackos who believe everything Anne Coulter says...

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I was like so pro Hillary Clinton for America until I found out that to stop her ideas for a socialised healthcare system the HMOs paid her off over $600k. Damn. Even the best are corrupt in that country.

The Americans are nice people but your country is run by gun-toting hillbillies who need a slap with a wet fish.

[Bakkster]

The Americans are nice people but your country is run by gun-toting hillbillies who need a slap with a wet fish.

Your country is run by people with big ears and unfortunate dental issues. :p

Seriously, though. If you believed everything Michael Moore told you, you'd think the US was a ****-hole. It really isn't. You might as well believe that every Roger Moore movie was truth, too.

[DShiz1029]

I was like so pro Hillary Clinton for America until I found out that to stop her ideas for a socialised healthcare system the HMOs paid her off over $600k. Damn. Even the best are corrupt in that country.

The Americans are nice people but your country is run by gun-toting hillbillies who need a slap with a wet fish.

Every country has its evils. The UK has the gypsies and chavs running around. This world is full of sacks of sh*t.

[sa_nick]

Just saw the movie, wont do a huge post on everything but i gotta say it was good.

There was a lot of stuff in there that truely shows how f*cked up america can be, like most of moores work shows.

Of course there would be a few exadguration and so on in there and a lot of info not included that could sway the argument towards HMO's, but u cant deny some of the crap that happens is really messed up.

[jordanbeard]

I've seen it, I think it's one of his best films...

I'm not entirely sure if it would be quite as worthwhile if you don't actually have to deal with the American healthcare system... but, I'm sure it would be just as fascinating... I'd recommend it

[thorn_9]

Sicko was a fantastic film. It had less of his personal opinion than ANY of his ither projects, and more facts. Sicko is widely (world wide) recieved as a spotlight on a very bad situation (us healthcare system). Wether you like michael moore or nt, wether you are american or not, the film shows facts that are beyond, agenda and opinion.

The US healthcare system is behind the rest of the industrialized nations for one reson, big business. The funny thing is, big business is what america is all about, so the population whines about how bad it is, then salutes the flag containing oil, insurance, and pharmacy logos instead of stars.

This is a fact, america is run by big business and owned by other countries. we choose leaders who are bought upon election by these businesses, then sell our bonds to otehr countriies so we can help our world allies and reform countries and make war to keep said businesses in business.

If you can't see that, if you disagree, I suggest looking at the world and the news, ANY news and it will tell you the same.

Sicko was a great look at the greatest nation in the world's ugly side. The more we ignore it or dismiss it, the more it persists and the farther away from reality and the true america we want, we become.

[Transbrak]

I like how the last few posts make it seem like its ok for him to insert fiction and label it as fact, i personally can't watch someone who has lied over and over and expects up to be ok with as long as people join his cause.

[jordanbeard]

I can't think of any instances where he's lied... he just doesn't portray the concerns of those on the other side of the issue.. he's a documentary-film-maker... documentaries don't have to show both sides...

[Transbrak]

I can't think of any instances where he's lied... he just doesn't portray the concerns of those on the other side of the issue.. he's a documentary-film-maker... documentaries don't have to show both sides...

You should do some research before making that claim, its pretty easy to find instances of him lying or bending the truth

Im all for a documentary and know they can be one sided but moore goes beyond that

[newwaytodie]

There was a lot of stuff in there that truely shows how f*cked up america can be, like most of moores work shows.

Of course there would be a few exadguration and so on in there and a lot of info not included that could sway the argument towards HMO's, but u cant deny some of the crap that happens is really messed up.

Please don't believe what Michael Moore says about America. It's mostly lies and alarmist scare tactics to perpetuate his own ideals and increase his personal wealth.

I know you're from Austrailia so don't make comments about America being "f*cked up" if you're basing it on Michael Moore's opinions.

Also, I'm from Michigan, and Bowling For Columbine is one of the biggest jokes in "documentary" history. He's such an assclown... I went to school with one of the shooters.

[sa_nick]

Please don't believe what Michael Moore says about America. It's mostly lies and alarmist scare tactics to perpetuate his own ideals and increase his personal wealth.

I know you're from Austrailia so don't make comments about America being "f*cked up" if you're basing it on Michael Moore's opinions.

Also, I'm from Michigan, and Bowling For Columbine is one of the biggest jokes in "documentary" history. He's such an assclown... I went to school with one of the shooters.

I dunno, I think it's pretty fair to say that the US is pretty f*cked up. This doesnt mean i think ppl living there are all jerks, it just means that most of the ppl with power and the way they run things is usually messed up. And im not just basing that on stuff ive seen from michael moore docos.

[FallenAce]

Everybody who runs a country that has any world-shattering capabilities is going to have this same issue. Giving Ghandi this amount of control would make him engage in similar deals. What made him a great man was finding a way to influence peoples lives without controlling them.

My point is that it's not the person, it's the position. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[newwaytodie]

Well I'm just saying that before foreigners start pointing fingers at corrupt Americans they should probably do something about their own. Rupert Murdoch is from Austrailia and he's screwing up America big time.

[Eastwood]

Well I'm just saying that before foreigners start pointing fingers at corrupt Americans they should probably do something about their own. Rupert Murdoch is from Austrailia and he's screwing up America big time.

Amen to every argument you have posted in this topic.

Michale Moore owns a 3 million dollar apartment in New York... So much for his crusade against the rich...