most influential metel band

[skiddzmark]

not counting black sabbeth or anyone related
i want to hear everyones opinon on this subject
who do you think help the metel genere become what it is today

[leftover_crack]

if theres no black sabbath than i would say

ozzy osbourne
iron maiden
and metallica


but of course black sabbath belongs above them

[skiddzmark]

if theres no black sabbath than i would say

ozzy osbourne
iron maiden
and metallica


but of course black sabbath belongs above them

its rly couse sabbeth would be everyones answer
im just skipping past that couse im already aware of the replies

[Blicko]

As much as I dislike their material after Justice for All, Metallica has to be one of them. I agree with leftover_crack about Sabbath, they really should be #1 on the list, but excluding them I'd have to go with Metallica, just for the sheer impact they had on the metal scene in the 80's. They opened for Ozzy on their Puppets tour and just blew him off the stage wherever they played.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Vanilla Fudge, Led Zeppelin.

[Ultimatum]

^^None of which are Metal bands.

I'd say Deep Purple is most influential, excluding Sabbath of course.

[Chief Stubbs]

Excluding Sabbath?
Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Venom.
EDIT: And possibly Mercyful Fate? they helped refine what Venom created.

[Rockbandfan23467]

^^None of which are Metal bands.


But they did help Metal become what it is today.

[Chief Stubbs]

But they did help Metal become what it is today.
They are not most influential *metal* bands, only influential *to* metal bands.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Led Zeppelin 2 set the standard for all things Heavy and Metal that followed.

[JerryBrudos]

I'll go with maiden basically led the way for the rest of the NWOBHM (and is still by far the strongest of them today) which ended up leading to thrash and all those other forms of extreme metal.

[darktemplar007]

Though not as mainstream and such, I'd say Death and Cynic played a large part in metals evolution, especially on the more technical side of things.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Venom. End of story.

[Hungryfreak]

Venom. End of story.

Yes, and Mercyful Fate to a slightly lesser extent. They influenced the same groups nearly equally, Venom just came first, which does make them more influential.

[skiddzmark]

They are not most influential *metal* bands, only influential *to* metal bands.

thats true
:p i should have named it "bands that highly influenced metal"

[WhiffleBallTony]

Yes, and Mercyful Fate to a slightly lesser extent. They influenced the same groups nearly equally, Venom just came first, which does make them more influential.

Yep. Any extreme metal band can pretty much credit their music to Venom.

[Ultimatum]

Led Zeppelin 2 set the standard for all things Heavy and Metal that followed.

No, no, and no.

[Ultimatum]

Yep. Any extreme metal band can pretty much credit their music to Venom.

And Death, Possessed, and Slaughter.

[WhiffleBallTony]

And Death, Possessed, and Slaughter.

To a lesser extent, mainly because those bands have to credit their sound to Venom.

[a21schizoidman]

Sabbath, Blue Cheer, and Iron Butterfly

[Rockbandfan23467]

No, no, and no.
Hate to say it, but you fail. It's one thing to say they aren't Metal, but to say that it had no affect on music at all is JPI. (Just Plain Ignorance)

[Rockbandfan23467]

Sabbath, Blue Cheer, and Iron Butterfly

He said Sabbath didn't count.


Also, KISS and Aerosmith were influential too.

[Ultimatum]

To a lesser extent, mainly because those bands have to credit their sound to Venom.

Well, this is in regards to Death Metal, not Black.

[Ultimatum]

Hate to say it, but you fail. It's one thing to say they aren't Metal, but to say that it had no affect on music at all is JPI. (Just Plain Ignorance)

It had influence on music, but I don't think it has nowhere near the influence on Metal he claims.

[leftover_crack]

Led Zeppelin 2 set the standard for all things Heavy and Metal that followed.

what?!?!?


led zep sounded more grunge than metal


im not saying they are grunge just saying they aren't metal

[leftover_crack]

i just noticed no one sayed slayer all of my friends that are in metal bands are mainly inspired by slayer

[Hungryfreak]

Venom came before Slayer and, in fact, influenced them.

[Ultimatum]

Possessed and Mantas are the two main reasons Death Metal exist though.

[Vedicardi]

Excluding Sabbath?
Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Venom.
EDIT: And possibly Mercyful Fate? they helped refine what Venom created.

Yes, Venom is one of the most influential by far

BLACK METALLLLLLLLL!

Buried Alive (60 min+ Version) is my favorite song of theirs. The solo kicks so much ass.

[leftover_crack]

Venom came before Slayer and, in fact, influenced them.

that doesnt mean that venom influenced the bands that bands that slayer influenced

[Vedicardi]

that doesnt mean that venom influenced the bands that bands that slayer influenced

Well if Venom influenced Slayer and Slayer influenced other bands, then you could say Venom influenced those other bands

Putting Slayer on there instead of Venom is like putting Coheed and Cambria on there instead of Iron Maiden

[leftover_crack]

Well if Venom influenced Slayer and Slayer influenced other bands, then you could say Venom influenced those other bands

Putting Slayer on there instead of Venom is like putting Coheed and Cambria on there instead of Iron Maiden

dude thats just dumb

the who influenced the clash and a few other bands

the clash influenced every punk band after them


who was more influential the clash or the who

the clash was

[Hungryfreak]

The difference is tat Venom really started the thrash genre, which holds a lot more influence. And besides, Venom influenced more genres than just thrash.

[Ultimatum]

dude thats just dumb

the who influenced the clash and a few other bands

the clash influenced every punk band after them


who was more influential the clash or the who

the clash was

Except, without The Who, The Clash wouldn't have sounded the same, which could have limited their influence.

And The Who are more influential, virtually every Rock band says they are influenced by The Who in some way.

[leftover_crack]

Except, without The Who, The Clash wouldn't have sounded the same, which could have limited their influence.

And The Who are more influential, virtually every Rock band says they are influenced by The Who in some way.

ok well that was a bad example but u can under stand what im getting to

[a21schizoidman]

Except, without The Who, The Clash wouldn't have sounded the same, which could have limited their influence.

And The Who are more influential, virtually every Rock band says they are influenced by The Who in some way.

dude, he just said that folk singers are punk rock, you cant argue with him, trying arguing with a wall, it might have some common sense

[leftover_crack]

dude, he just said that folk singers are punk rock, you cant argue with him, trying arguing with a wall, it might have some common sense

so what is against me!?

[a21schizoidman]

so what is against me!?

you think everything is punk rock, except the real punk rock bands

[Ultimatum]

so what is against me!?

Pop Punk.

[leftover_crack]

pop punk? they are a folk punk band just cause they are no mainstreem doesnt mean they are pop punk

[Ultimatum]

There is no such thing as Folk Punk.

[a21schizoidman]

There is no such thing as Folk Punk.

apparently now its anyone who has ever written a song is now punk rock

[leftover_crack]

There is no such thing as Folk Punk.

against me is both folk and punk


there for folk punk

[a21schizoidman]

against me is both folk and punk


there for folk punk

king crimson is both progressive rock and jazz fusion, so is it progressive fusion (a nonexistant genre?)

hey crack, isnt it about time for your monthly "the dlc is too expensive at 1.99 a song" thread?

[leftover_crack]

king crimson is both progressive rock and jazz fusion, so is it progressive fusion (a nonexistant genre?)

hey crack, isnt it about time for your monthly "the dlc is too expensive at 1.99 a song" thread?

nah i got over it me and my friends just split the dlc then share it

[leftover_crack]

There is no such thing as Folk Punk.

yes there is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_punk

[FourstringOrion]

yes there is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_punk

Don't use wikipedia as a source... Anybody can edit it and besides that... It has no good knowledge about music on it...






Just like you:rolleyes:

[a21schizoidman]

Don't use wikipedia as a source... Anybody can edit it and besides that... It has no good knowledge about music on it................................................ .................................................. .........................................Just like you:rolleyes:

dude, in an earlier post he said that metallica and megadeth were punk

[FourstringOrion]

dude, in an earlier post he said that metallica and megadeth were punk

*Twitch*.......Wow:eek:.....That is just idiotic

[SteelersFreak1]

No, no, and no.

Um. Yes?

If it weren't for Zeppelin, metal probably never would've happened.

[Hungryfreak]

Led Zeppelin wasn't an influence to Black Sabbath, meaning it probably would have started either way. Cream or Hendrix, on the other hand, were more influential to metal in that sense.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Anyway, KISS are up there 'cause several members of Extreme Metal bands were KISS fans in youth. (Dimebag, Chuck S.)

[Ultimatum]

Um. Yes?

If it weren't for Zeppelin, metal probably never would've happened.

You should realize that Sabbath and Led Zep came out at almost the same time.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Well, this is in regards to Death Metal, not Black.

Yes, but death metal is extreme metal, and Venom was the first extreme metal band.

Metallica, Slayer, Death, Anthrax, and any other thrash, death, or black metal band has their sound because of Venom, in my opinion.

[JerryBrudos]

Yes, but death metal is extreme metal, and Venom was the first extreme metal band.

Metallica, Slayer, Death, Anthrax, and any other thrash, death, or black metal band has their sound because of Venom, in my opinion.

True to an extent but megadeth metallica and testament credit much more of their influence to other NWOBHM bands like maiden, diamond head, motorhead, and UFO not as much so venom. However I'll agree that venom probably had much more influence on music than the other thrash with black, death, and all those other extreme metals. I'm still sticking with Maiden though as my choice because they really popularized the NWOBHM sound giving birth to a lot of new bands in the genre and eventually thrash.

[Ultimatum]

Wow, Venom came out a lot earlier than I thought.

What's interesting, however, is that Judas Priest was their main influence, and was the sole reason they met.

[Chief Stubbs]

Wow, Venom came out a lot earlier than I thought.

What's interesting, however, is that Judas Priest was their main influence, and was the sole reason they met.
Judas Priest can unite everybody.
Except for everybody I got to listen to metal. None of them like Judas Priest. Oh well.

[Zidane]

Sabbath, Maiden, and Metallica for sure.

[Ultimatum]

I find it pretty cool that Judas Priest was one of the main reasons Thrash came to be.

[Mystlyfe77]

Even though band A came before band B, and influenced band B, it doesn't automatically mean band A is more influential.
While Venom was popular, I particularly think Metallica played a much larger role in the foundations of extreme metal as we know it today. While Venom may (or may not) have been the first thrash band, as well as a core influence on all of extreme metal, the bay area thrash scene was what really catapulted the genre into existence. Metallica took as much influence from non-metal bands, such as the Misfits, as they did from Venom as well. That fusion of punk's distortion with NWOBHM melodies is what really helped form their sound.
Metallica and Exodus are really the first bands that are undeniably thrash metal, rather than NWOBHM or speed metal. Slayer would shortly follow, and Megadeth upon Dave's dismissal from Metallica, creating the Bay Area scene. Hammett would then hop ship from Exodus over to Metallica to replace Mustaine. Anthrax formed at approximately the same time in NY, although their first album didn't appear until '84.
This early thrash really laid the groundwork for what would become most of extreme metal. Venom did release Black Metal in '82, just as the thrash scene was forming, effectively forming that particular sub-genre. Overall, extreme metal (particularly thrash, death, and their various subsidiaries) owes more to the thrash bands, which were lead by Metallica.
Metallica's influence extends well beyond just extreme metal though. It's hard to find a metal band these days that doesn't list at least their early work as a major influence. Even the Nü Metal movement of the '90s was heavily influenced by Metallica and the 80s thrashers. Most hybrid genres (metalcore, modern hardcore, etc) also cite them as a key band, especially given Metallica's infusion of punk-esque elements into metal.
With Sabbath ruled out, I'd have to say Metallica is the most influential band in metal. Iron Maiden, Venom, In Flames, Korn (sadly), and Pantera also played huge roles in creating various elements of what we know as metal today.

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

You do NOT exclude Sabbath. that is a big no no.

if you DID exclude Sabbath, then I would say:

Judas Priest
Metallica
Iron Maiden

never exclude Sabbath again. I meant it. I'll track you down.

[Ultimatum]

Metallica wasn't really an influence to Extreme Metal, however. Most Extreme Metal musicians were fans of KISS, Venom, and all sorts of bands like that.

[Mystlyfe77]

Metallica wasn't really an influence to Extreme Metal, however. Most Extreme Metal musicians were fans of KISS, Venom, and all sorts of bands like that.

A lot of extreme bands were influenced by Metallica (as well as Venom, KISS, Mercyful Fate, etc.). Black Metal may have taken more influence from Venom/KISS/Mercyful Fate, but most thrash and death bands drew heavily from Metallica. Kreator, Testament, Death Angel, Possessed, Death, Mantas, Bathory, Meshuggah, and Sepultura all list Metallica as a key (even primary) influence. Even the Gothenburg sound was influenced by Metallica, particularly Dark Tranquillity and At the Gates (The Haunted shows this influence even more).
I'm not claiming that Metallica is the sole influence on the genre, as other bands (namely Venom, Mercyful Fate, Iron Maiden, KISS, Slayer, and Judas Priest) had big impacts. Metallica, however, I feel made the largest single impact.

[Ultimatum]

Death actually drew a lot more influence from Venom and Celtic Frost (back when Death was known as Mantas), but upon hearing Possessed's music, they decided to play Death Metal. Death later evolved into the first Progressive Death band.

[Shredder87]

Metallica wasn't really an influence to Extreme Metal, however. Most Extreme Metal musicians were fans of KISS, Venom, and all sorts of bands like that.
WHOA!!! Hold on there killer. I dunno man, Tons (and I mean TONS) of musicians that I talk to are influenced highly by Metallica. Venom, not so much. I usually get a "Eh, they're alright."

[Ultimatum]

Well, Venom is still very influential, without them, a lot of those Thrash bands would not have sounded the same.

Hell, without them, Mercyful Fate and Iron Maiden would both be missing a few songs.

Venom set many standards and a lot of their riffs have been borrowed over the years.

[Shredder87]

Well, Venom is still very influential, without them, a lot of those Thrash bands would not have sounded the same.

Hell, without them, Mercyful Fate and Iron Maiden would both be missing a few songs.

Venom set many standards and a lot of their riffs have been borrowed over the years.
Hmmmm....Most of you have excluded Motorhead. They did only release what is considered to be the first "Thrash" song in Overkill. So I counter to with this, Motorhead (Yes they came out before Venom and Maiden. Priest, I think came out before.) is the more influencial band if you're going with the "Well without this guy, this other dude wouldn't be the same" argument.

As far as who I see most influencial....I'd probably will go with Metallica...and Priest, They did also have probably the first duo leads in Metal.

[Ultimatum]

AFAIK, Venom wasn't inspired by Motorhead, most of their inspiration was actually drawn from JP.

[Mystlyfe77]

Death actually drew a lot more influence from Venom and Celtic Frost (back when Death was known as Mantas), but upon hearing Possessed's music, they decided to play Death Metal. Death later evolved into the first Progressive Death band.

True, Death (the band) drew more influence from Venom, but overall, more Death metal bands were influenced by Metallica. Especially as the genre grew and time progressed, Metallica's influence grew and Venom's shrank. Venom is a virtual unknown now, even among many metal bands/fans. Metallica's early stuff is still inspiring artists now.

[Hungryfreak]

Venom really innovated and influenced entire genres. Metallica expanded upon one genre, became popular and then left the genre in search for a more money-making genre. Which one has more influence?

[Mystlyfe77]

Venom really innovated and influenced entire genres. Metallica expanded upon one genre, became popular and then left the genre in search for a more money-making genre. Which one has more influence?

Metallica, because more bands cite them as an influence than Venom. Regardless of which band you feel was more creative or innovative, that doesn't automatically equate to being more influential. While Metallica only played thrash, they influenced several genres (thrash, death, metalcore, nü metal, hardcore, etc).

[Hungryfreak]

Metallica did not influence several genres. They may have inspired people from several genres, but Venom was really a key factor in the creation of several genres. Without Venom, we wouldn't have extreme metal as we know it. Without Metallica, we would just lose a couple bands.

[Shredder87]

AFAIK, Venom wasn't inspired by Motorhead, most of their inspiration was actually drawn from JP.
Well there you go, without JP, then there wouldn't be Venom, WHICH in turn, would've be (As you claim to be) the wave of extreme metal bands. Both Children of the Grave(Sabbath) and Overkill(Motorhead) have been considered the first two "Thrash" songs.

Edit-

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WHAT?! Lose a couple of bands?! Dude. Almost everybody is going to say "Hey yeah, Metallica made me the guitarist/bassist/drummer(Well not that, haha) that I am today!!!" And please don't go the "Well without Venom they wouldn't......" They would've just then cited another band as a reference(Ex. If one death metal band didn't cite Death as a influence, they could say Slayer did), and who knows, said band could've been the pioneer that other band was.

[lankyyanky]

Led Zeppelin wasn't an influence to Black Sabbath, meaning it probably would have started either way. Cream or Hendrix, on the other hand, were more influential to metal in that sense.

except that Sabbath stole Paranoid from communication breakdown... listen to both and say theyre not eerily similar... CB was 1969 and Paranoid was 1970

[JerryBrudos]

except that Sabbath stole Paranoid from communication breakdown... listen to both and say theyre not eerily similar... CB was 1969 and Paranoid was 1970

with or with out paranoid sabbath probably would have had the same influence they already had the sound that really put metal into creation.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Communication Breakdown is one of the many canidates for the first Metal song.

[FourstringOrion]

Communication Breakdown is one of the many canidates for the first Metal song.


I do agree with you there, Even though i don't think LZ was a full blown Metal band I do think that Communication Breakdown is one of if not the First Metal song