Meh-tal

[InsoFox]

I don't hate Metal or anything, it's just not my thing. I can't get excited about it, especially overly-postury glam metal, it's just not something that interests me.

But after having been on these forums a little while there does seem to be a sort of clamouring for this sort of music, over and above what you might expect from an average set of gamers. When setlists and DLC comes up in discussion then the bands that get most people around here really excited are not ones that I and I think possibly the 'average' person are particularly into, and I've been trying to puzzle out why.

One possibility is that a lot of the Rock Band fan base were previously into Guitar Hero, and GH catered a lot more for the heavy metal crowd just because that's where a lot of the blistering solos are, and such. So the fanbase was partially built on metal fans. I suppose that's possible.

Anyway, even with all of that, there must be a large amount of people around here like me who are not hating-on but at least vaguely indifferent to metal, and perhaps who think that that genre is already represented pretty well on Rock Band and would like to see some other things in RB2, as well as other things before more Metallica, or a Metal Pack, and so on... let's hear from you, for a change!

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

yeah. I like metal, but I'm fine with the Metallica I have now. I would really like some 80s stuff or some more grunge.

but the only Metal I want right now is Black Sabbath Masters. to bad that isn't gonna happen.

but yeah i'm with you. I play Boston and rush more than Metallica. I only play that every week or so.

[Artemecien]

Mass over-exaggeration.

I don't think everyone here are metal-heads, and even if they are I don't mind.

Although Blood Doll can kiss my ass. Godamn,screw that song.

[jlc316]

Personaly I don't think there's enough Metal in this game. Between what's on the disk and DLC I feel there's more alternative, punk, and indie music than anything else. I think there's not nearly enough 80's Hair Metal, Metallica, and just mainstream Metal in general. I think that's why so many people complain on this forum. But on the other hand it seems Metal and a lot of other genre's are going to be represented better in RB2 if what the rumored set list says is true.

[InsoFox]

Mass over-exaggeration.

I don't think everyone here are metal-heads, and even if they are I don't mind.



Mass exaggeration of what I actually said, you mean:

'When setlists and DLC comes up in discussion then the bands that get most people around here really excited are not ones that I and I think possibly the 'average' person are particularly into, and I've been trying to puzzle out why.'

'there does seem to be a sort of clamouring for this sort of music, over and above what you might expect from an average set of gamers.'

'So the fanbase was partially built on metal fans. I suppose that's possible. '

I don't mean to labour the point, but where was I massively exaggerating or claiming that everyone here is a 'metal-head'?

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

Mass over-exaggeration.

I don't think everyone here are metal-heads, and even if they are I don't mind.

Although Blood Doll can kiss my ass. Godamn,screw that song.
i don't understand what is wrong with blood doll. I actually like that song, and I enjoy to listen to it.

people hating blood doll is about as stupid as my friends hating Barracuda.

[Der_Lex]

people hating blood doll is about as stupid as my friends hating Barracuda.

Or about as stupid as people arguing about musical tastes in the first place ;)

To each his own, and all that.

Just out of curiosity, though...InsoFox, which bands do you mean when you say 'the bands that get most people around here really excited are not ones that I and I think possibly the 'average' person are particularly into'?

Because, as far as I'm concerned, most of the songs that get requested on these forums are pretty mainstream, so I'm a bit surprised at this remark.

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

Or about as stupid as people arguing about musical tastes in the first place ;)

To each his own, and all that.

Just out of curiosity, though...InsoFox, which bands do you mean when you say 'the bands that get most people around here really excited are not ones that I and I think possibly the 'average' person are particularly into'?

Because, as far as I'm concerned, most of the songs that get requested on these forums are pretty mainstream, so I'm a bit surprised at this remark.
I request Dream Theater. They are very mainstream. :D and sorry about my post. its just strange to me that people could hate a song that much.

[TheGodFather73]

I'm 34 years old, a college graduate, and never played GH before this game. Nothing would make me personally happier than if 9 of 10 DLC releases were metal. I'm probably not average, but there ya go.

[Der_Lex]

I request Dream Theater. They are very mainstream. :D and sorry about my post. its just strange to me that people could hate a song that much.

No need to apologize for that post... just making an observation on arguments/discussions about music in general, in no way attacking you personally. If anything, I applaud you for requesting Dream Theater :D

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

No need to apologize for that post... just making an observation on arguments/discussions about music in general, in no way attacking you personally. If anything, I applaud you for requesting Dream Theater :D
YES! and we get them in RB2!

okay stay on subject: Yeah. a lot of people request metal. its fun to play because the solos hurt my hands.

[fiasco]

Whether or not the people on here are considered "metal-heads," you do have to admit that they do like metal more than the "average" person. Dream Theater seems to be one of the more requested bands on here, but if I asked any of my friends if they've heard of them they'd probably say no.

[Der_Lex]

Whether or not the people on here are considered "metal-heads," you do have to admit that they do like metal more than the "average" person. Dream Theater seems to be one of the more requested bands on here, but if I asked any of my friends if they've heard of them they'd probably say no.

I think it's probably fair to say that most people on here are people who mainly listen to rock music. Rock fans usually have at least a minimal knowledge of metal... enough to know the bigger bands in the genre, which would include Dream Theater, which is arguably the best known prog metal band out there.
It's also possible that some of them are older music fans who watched MTV during the time when the song Pull Me Under got a lot of airplay.

If you look at the 'average person' (which is always hard to pin down), I think they tend to have Hip hop/R&B as their main form of music these days, with a dash of rock thrown in. For those people, it would make sense to know very little about metal.

Still, I've never thought any product should be aimed at the 'average person'. The 'average person' often boils down to 'the lowest common denominator', which, for me, means sacrificing quality to appease ignorance or limited tastes.

[captainsamus]

I agree that Metal fans seem to be the loudest when it comes to requesting songs and such.

I'm not a huge fan of metal, but sometimes it's okay.

[Warlokk_TPF]

It's probably all about demographics... figure you're typical gamer is what, 24-36yrs old or so... which means we were teens in the 80's-90's for the most part, which is when your musical taste tends to be formed. Most music in the mid-late 80's/early 90's was either rock/hair metal/thrash metal, or hip hop. Since most hip hop fans would not gravitate to a game about rock bands, most of the folks around here will be of the rock/metal generation, and would want to see more of what we grew up loving, which would be primarily some form of hard rock/metal.

The younger folks would be most of the ones requesting the newer music, like your indie and emo stuff and nu-metal or whatever.

That's my take for you anyway... and yes, I'm a late-30's die-hard metalhead :D

[CKarinja]

I understand the OP's post, but Metal is such a diverse genre. Many people would consider Led Zeppelin a pioneer of Metal, along with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. AC/DC would also be considered Metal. Even Rush's first album is considered Blues-inspired Heavy Metal. And Iron Maiden and Judas Priest were refining the 'Metal' sound.

But most people I talk to think Metal is just a extremely fast tempo with a person who growls or screams the whole time. Which is true in some sub-genres of Metal, but not nearly all.

So I think saying that so many people want Metal is a generalization, because your definition of Metal might only be talking about a certain sub-genre, as I see tons of Metal posts in Ultimate Setlist, but so many different bands and genres too.

[afterstasis]

something else to consider is that metal songs tend to be higher on the difficulty scale and many of the posters here are itching for more of a challenge.

[killer_roach]

Whether or not the people on here are considered "metal-heads," you do have to admit that they do like metal more than the "average" person. Dream Theater seems to be one of the more requested bands on here, but if I asked any of my friends if they've heard of them they'd probably say no.

Yeah... the thing is, Dream Theater, like it or not, is actually very niche. Heck, most Pixies albums sold better than the typical DT album (only Images and Words went gold, a scary fact when you think of all the multiple-disc live albums they had... 6DOIT might have been gold if it were a couple minutes longer, but, at 96 minutes in length, the sales aren't counted as a double album).

[brobot]

I have a veri diverse taste of music and not heavliy into "Metal" but I would have to say that it wouldn't be bad to have some more along with alot of other rock genres that haven't even been touched. I am also not into 80's hair metal at all but do believe that it NEEDS to be in the game. So it's just how diverse your music tastes are.

I own all DLC and love them all for one reason or another. It's like when my friends come over to play RB and the don't know 95% of the songs on the game and I look at them like how oculd not know this song.

[sorgen]

We need some less-mainstream metal:

Wintersun
Ensiferum
Amon Amarth
Age of Silence
Dimmu Borgir
Vintersorg
Borknagar
Arthemesia
Fission
Winds
Immortal
Kalmah
Meshuggah
Spiral Architect
Solefald

...and more of course...

but it'd be great to see any of those bands in the game... Particularly "Beautiful Death" by Wintersun and "Lai Lai Hei" by Ensiferum


buuuut it's never going to happen =D

still waiting for Mr. Crowley by Ozzy though...

[brobot]

I do love when people have to post said number of obscure bands just to show how diverse their tastes are.

[InsoFox]

Maybe Metal is just bigger in the US too. I dunno.

The only thing I'm basing this on is that aside from these little pockets of excitement (the Who announcement got a lot of people worked up, and Nirvana gets people excited too) I see more people talking about how much they want metal and particular metal bands than anything else.

Not judging it or saying it's bad, I'm just surprised there isn't more chatter from other folks here. As just one example, I saw a list on some forum of most-requested bands, and Radiohead actually come out pretty low on that list, despite them being a huge band, and despite having a lot of songs that would translate well to Rock Band. I don't know what to make of that... it just seems, well, curious.

[afterstasis]

I do love when people have to post said number of obscure bands just to show how diverse their tastes are.

if you were a very big fan of metal those bands wouldn't be obscure to you, though.

[jtrousd]

I agree with most of what the OP said. I don't hate metal at all, but at the same time I'm not dying to see more of it in Rock Band. Personally, the songs just aren't fun to me. I'd rather have a funky riff or some sweet blues rock before having to play my arm off. :/

Edit: I am well aware that not all metal is blistering, but I think the majority of what people want on these forums is the fast stuff. At least that's what I've seen.

[sorgen]

I do love when people have to post said number of obscure bands just to show how diverse their tastes are.

You're just intimidated by the pure awesomeness of those bands

[CKarinja]

Maybe Metal is just bigger in the US too. I dunno.

The only thing I'm basing this on is that aside from these little pockets of excitement (the Who announcement got a lot of people worked up, and Nirvana gets people excited too) I see more people talking about how much they want metal and particular metal bands than anything else.

Not judging it or saying it's bad, I'm just surprised there isn't more chatter from other folks here. As just one example, I saw a list on some forum of most-requested bands, and Radiohead actually come out pretty low on that list, despite them being a huge band, and despite having a lot of songs that would translate well to Rock Band. I don't know what to make of that... it just seems, well, curious.

Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc are huge bands (Or atleast were huge when they were peaking), and those are Metal bands. We have Judas Priest in Rock Band so I won't complain if we don't get any for some more time. I personally don't like Radiohead, but I understand that they are huge.

I think we need some Sabbath masters, Maiden masters, more Journey, more Deep Purple, more AC/DC, and some Dio. (I want some Led Zeppelin, but we know that situation...).

EDIT: Maybe the reason you don't see why Radiohead is big on the forums is because people have different music tastes. Not everyone is into the same band, which would be why there are people requesting different genres and bands. I wouldn't vote for Radiohead so I don't see the point (I didn't know too much about them from before Rock Band and didn't like Creep at all).

[toad3000]

I understand the OP's post, but Metal is such a diverse genre. Many people would consider Led Zeppelin a pioneer of Metal, along with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. AC/DC would also be considered Metal. Even Rush's first album is considered Blues-inspired Heavy Metal. And Iron Maiden and Judas Priest were refining the 'Metal' sound.

But most people I talk to think Metal is just a extremely fast tempo with a person who growls or screams the whole time. Which is true in some sub-genres of Metal, but not nearly all.

So I think saying that so many people want Metal is a generalization, because your definition of Metal might only be talking about a certain sub-genre, as I see tons of Metal posts in Ultimate Setlist, but so many different bands and genres too.

Right, this is why I have such a hard time coming out for or against metal. I typically think of "Metal" as being something along the lines of Megadeth. Which I guess would draw easy comparisons to other bands like (early) Metallica, Iron Maiden, maybe even Judas Priest, etc.
The bands in the 80s were given the "metal" tag a little bit too freely, usually in the context of "Hair Metal". I would never consider Ratt, Motley Crue, Poison, Cinderella, Warrant, or (HA!) Bon Jovi to be metal, but many people would lump them in the "Hair Metal" genre (AKA Hair Bands, 80s Rock, etc). Which, btw, we definitely need more of in the game.
I also wouldn't mind more of the "Metal" bands I listed earlier. I think the ones I really don't want in the game (check that, the bands i won't purchase DLC of) are the thrash metal or death metal types. Really not my thing.

[InsoFox]

Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc are huge bands (Or atleast were huge when they were peaking), and those are Metal bands. We have Judas Priest in Rock Band so I won't complain if we don't get any for some more time. I personally don't like Radiohead, but I understand that they are huge.

I think we need some Sabbath masters, Maiden masters, more Journey, more Deep Purple, more AC/DC, and some Dio. (I want some Led Zeppelin, but we know that situation...).

That's my point though. I wasn't arguing about the relative quality of the band, I just mean that if the bands you listed are huge, and (as an example) Radiohead is as huge, perhaps in some cases huger, then why is there a big fuss about the the former, but not much noise made about the latter?

[Der_Lex]

Maybe Metal is just bigger in the US too. I dunno.

The only thing I'm basing this on is that aside from these little pockets of excitement (the Who announcement got a lot of people worked up, and Nirvana gets people excited too) I see more people talking about how much they want metal and particular metal bands than anything else.

Not judging it or saying it's bad, I'm just surprised there isn't more chatter from other folks here. As just one example, I saw a list on some forum of most-requested bands, and Radiohead actually come out pretty low on that list, despite them being a huge band, and despite having a lot of songs that would translate well to Rock Band. I don't know what to make of that... it just seems, well, curious.

I don't think that metal is bigger in the US than it is in the UK or the rest of Europe. There might, however, be a larger than average number of metal fans amongst gamers...most gaming forums I frequent (whether it's video gaming or RPG's or miniature wargaming...and yes, I'm a big geek, why thank you :D) have quite a few metal fans amongst their users.

The types of metal people listen to seems to be a bit different on both continents, though. Maybe this is simply my age showing, but I don't think Avenged Sevenfold is nearly as big in Europe as it is in the US. Conversely, the same can probably be said of the Swedish metal band (gods?) Opeth.

As for Radiohead...I think it's a relatively well-requested band on this forum, actually. But other than Muse and the Beatles, few European bands seem to gather a large following on these forums. The metal requests don't even seem to come close to requests for American mainstream rock bands such as Led Zeppelin and Guns and Roses. Whether that's a good thing or not depends on your own tastes, I guess.

[brobot]

You're just intimidated by the pure awesomeness of those bands

No. I do know about half of those bands just don't see the reason for posting bands that half if not more of the populaton have heard of.

I'm sorry i just don't see why people have to defend their tastes in music. If you like it you don't have to shout out bands that you and a small faction of the population know. Just listen to it and like it. If i only the music that friends and family listened to I would have never found other types of music.

To sum it up: Being a music elitist sucks.

[CKarinja]

That's my point though. I wasn't arguing about the relative quality of the band, I just mean that if the bands you listed are huge, and (as an example) Radiohead is as huge, perhaps in some cases huger, then why is there a big fuss about the the former, but not much noise made about the latter?

I somewhat stated that. Metal is such a diverse genre that what you might say is Metal isn't what I think is Metal. When you see Metal being floated around here, it could be referring to so many different genres of Metal. Led Zeppelin can be considered Metal and so is a band like In Flames. Want to know the resemblance between them? The fact they are considered Metal is the similarity, except Led Zeppelin in Rock/Heavy Metal and In Flames is Melodic Death Metal. The reason there is so much fuss for the Metal is that it is too diverse that you will just see it referring to so much stuff.

So all I can say is that when you are lumping the Metal posts together, you are lumping too many bands together that might not fit your definition of Metal. It outnumbers the latter because of this diversity.


I also wouldn't mind more of the "Metal" bands I listed earlier. I think the ones I really don't want in the game (check that, the bands i won't purchase DLC of) are the thrash metal or death metal types. Really not my thing.

Exactly my point. There is too much diversity, but you know what you want and what you don't. InsoFox, you might been seeing Hair Metal band, Thrash Metal band, Heavy Metal band, Death Metal band, etc posts, but they are all so different from each other. What you might not like about Metal might be referring to one specific genre. I don't know if you know every metal genre, so if you don't like it, it might just be one part of it.

[oriejason]

if you were a very big fan of metal those bands wouldn't be obscure to you, though.

False. I'm a big fan of several kinds of metal (some metal bands on my mp3 player are Dream Theater, Dragonforce, Avenged Sevenfold, Symphony X, Kamelot, Metallica, The Sword, Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Amazing Grace) and I've never heard of any of them.

I'm guessing the aforementioned bands are some niche sub-genre like black/death metal. I know nothing about those types of bands because I prefer it when the lead singer... you know... actuially sings.

[toad3000]

As for Radiohead...I think it's a relatively well-requested band on this forum, actually. But other than Muse and the Beatles, few European bands seem to gather a large following on these forums. The metal requests don't even seem to come close to requests for American mainstream rock bands such as Led Zeppelin and Guns and Roses. Whether that's a good thing or not depends on your own tastes, I guess.

Led Zeppelin is an American band now? The things you learn on this forum... ;)

[CKarinja]

Led Zeppelin is an American band now? The things you learn on this forum... ;)

Seems so ;).

[sorgen]

No. I do know about half of those bands just don't see the reason for posting bands that half if not more of the populaton have heard of.

I'm sorry i just don't see why people have to defend their tastes in music. If you like it you don't have to shout out bands that you and a small faction of the population know. Just listen to it and like it. If i only the music that friends and family listened to I would have never found other types of music.

To sum it up: Being a music elitist sucks.

Being a Brobot sucks

[C0W$eRZ!]

Amen. Metal is not that amazing in my eyes. It's got a lot of good songs, but I'd like to see less metal.

[brobot]

Being a Brobot sucks

Wow thank you that was called for.

Edit: After looking at your posts in the short time you have been here i can see that it was indeed called for.

[afterstasis]

No. I do know about half of those bands just don't see the reason for posting bands that half if not more of the populaton have heard of.

I'm sorry i just don't see why people have to defend their tastes in music. If you like it you don't have to shout out bands that you and a small faction of the population know. Just listen to it and like it. If i only the music that friends and family listened to I would have never found other types of music.

To sum it up: Being a music elitist sucks.

1. his reasoning may be to call attention to lesser-known bands that he thinks others should known about and/or even rally support to these bands as DLC. at least he's not shouting for metallica and zeppelin at every chance...

2. i didn't see him defending his tastes even after you indirectly insulted him for simply throwing up a short list of metal bands he'd like to see in the game.

3. noone's being a music elitist other than you. open your eyes...

[brobot]

1. his reasoning may be to call attention to lesser-known bands that he thinks others should known about and/or even rally support to these bands as DLC. at least he's not shouting for metallica and zeppelin at every chance...

2. i didn't see him defending his tastes even after you indirectly insulted him for simply throwing up a short list of metal bands he'd like to see in the game.

3. noone's being a music elitist other than you. open your eyes...

1. Why

2.That is what the Ultimate setlist area is for

3. How am I an elitist. By saying that I have heard the bands or by always stating that I listen to all types of music (Including some metal, Death Metal, Black Metal) and never just stating one type of music to rule them all and giving people their opinion validity if that is what they like

[afterstasis]

False. I'm a big fan of several kinds of metal (some metal bands on my mp3 player are Dream Theater, Dragonforce, Avenged Sevenfold, Symphony X, Kamelot, Metallica, The Sword, Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Amazing Grace) and I've never heard of any of them.

I'm guessing the aforementioned bands are some niche sub-genre like black/death metal. I know nothing about those types of bands because I prefer it when the lead singer... you know... actuially sings.

i'm not going to argue whether or not you're a big metal fan, but just let it be known that most serious metal fans would slam you immediately just for the bands you listed.
however, i am going to have to send you a bit of an eye-roll for calling yourself a big metal fan and then going on to insult black metal, death metal, and harsh vocals right afterwards.
either way, dude listed some bands (even with the acknowledgement that they aren't the most popular) and got accused of listing them just to impress others and was then told to basically keep his mouth shut about what bands he likes.

[afterstasis]

1. Why

2.That is what the Ultimate setlist area is for

3. How am I an elitist. By saying that I have heard the bands or by always stating that I listen to all types of music (Including some metal, Death Metal, Black Metal) and never just stating one type of music to rule them all and giving people their opinion validity if that is what they like

1. i'm not answering that. you're just being an ass, as far as i can tell.

2. true, but why not point him in that direction instead of insulting him? this forum rarely has a thread that stays completely on-topic. why jerk the dude by the ears for a completely harmless post?

3. you're being an elitist by discouraging those with less mainstream tastes from discussing their tastes in a public forum and putting words into his mouth, pegging him as someone he very well may not be.

[Der_Lex]

Led Zeppelin is an American band now? The things you learn on this forum... ;)

American mainstream band = band popular in the American mainstream

mainstream American band = popular American band

I understand the confusion, but don't put words into my mouth, please. I mess up enough without the help of others ;)

Oh, and play nice, brobot and Afterstasis. Don't make me take away your toys and send you to your rooms ;)

[sorgen]

1. Why

2.That is what the Ultimate setlist area is for

3. How am I an elitist. By saying that I have heard the bands or by always stating that I listen to all types of music (Including some metal, Death Metal, Black Metal) and never just stating one type of music to rule them all and giving people their opinion validity if that is what they like

1. Why don't I shout out for Zep or Met? Because they already get shout outs every 10 minutes on these forums...

2. This thread is called Meh-tal... By the name of it, I presume that I can name off a few bands that I like that i'd like to see in the game... Anyway this thread is made for people to suggest bands, so by your reasoning, this whole thread should be in ultimate setlist.

3. You're being an elitist by bashing me for naming bands that I listen to... You also assume that I like only one type of music.

And for that "Wow thank you that was called for." response earlier, I assume you have the right to insult me, but I can't push back? I see...

[brobot]

3. you're being an elitist by discouraging those with less mainstream tastes from discussing their tastes in a public forum and putting words into his mouth, pegging him as someone he very well may not be.

If I came on here and posted something like this:

We should have somthing like this:
The Unicorns
Alexisonfire
The American Analog Set
Anatomy of a Ghost
The Beautiful Mistake
Clap Your Hands and Say Yeah
The Human Abstract
Jets to Brazil
The Paper Chase
Travis

What would you guys say huh. Probably outright make fun of me. Just because you listen to some type of music doesn't define you but what I always wonder is why people come into a thread that isn't talking about what band you band you want and post a huge list of obscure to many people bands. I am not an elitist and never will be I respect all music but like I said earlier that you didn't read is why do you have to defend music you like no one is going to take it away from you unless you talk about it at all times.

[oriejason]

i'm not going to argue whether or not you're a big metal fan, but just let it be known that most serious metal fans would slam you immediately just for the bands you listed.
however, i am going to have to send you a bit of an eye-roll for calling yourself a big metal fan and then going on to insult black metal, death metal, and harsh vocals right afterwards.

So, are you saying a person that's not into black/death metal because of the "harsh vocals" can't be a metal fan?

And why would metal fans slam me for liking bands like Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, The Sword, Megadeth, Symphony X, etc.?

[brobot]

American mainstream band = band popular in the American mainstream

mainstream American band = popular American band

I understand the confusion, but don't put words into my mouth, please. I mess up enough without the help of others ;)

Oh, and play nice, brobot and Afterstasis. Don't make me take away your toys and send you to your rooms ;)

Sorry.... Never mind everyone rock on and enjoy what you enjoy and "Let it Be"

[XxMattxX]

I love metal. :D

[afterstasis]

If I came on here and posted something like this:

We should have somthing like this:
The Unicorns
Alexisonfire
The American Analog Set
Anatomy of a Ghost
The Beautiful Mistake
Clap Your Hands and Say Yeah
The Human Abstract
Jets to Brazil
The Paper Chase
Travis

What would you guys say huh. Probably outright make fun of me. Just because you listen to some type of music doesn't define you but what I always wonder is why people come into a thread that isn't talking about what band you band you want and post a huge list of obscure to many people bands. I am not an elitist and never will be I respect all music but like I said earlier that you didn't read is why do you have to defend music you like no one is going to take it away from you unless you talk about it at all times.

i would say, "i would be into some old jets to brazil, american analog set, and the paper chase, however you're in a thread about metal. try a different one."...
noone's claiming any sort of superiority or definition of self by listening to music... you're pretty much pulling stuff out of thin air. i don't even know where you're coming from, to be honest.
some dude posted a list of bands on the forum and you acted like a big jerk to him... that's that.
let's get back to the discussion at hand.

[CKarinja]

So, are you saying a person that's not into black/death metal because of the "harsh vocals" can't be a metal fan?

And why would metal fans slam me for liking bands like Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, The Sword, Megadeth, Symphony X, etc.?

I wouldn't slam you for liking Iron Maiden, Megadeth, or Dream Theater. And I like it when a vocalist sings. That doesn't mean I don't like In Flames or some band like that, but that Metal can be Metal without the harsh vocals.

EDIT: To the person you responded to. Being a Metal fan, is it a problem if I enjoy Led Zeppelin, Rush, and The Who along with Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and In Flames?

[afterstasis]

So, are you saying a person that's not into black/death metal because of the "harsh vocals" can't be a metal fan?

And why would metal fans slam me for liking bands like Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, The Sword, Megadeth, Symphony X, etc.?

no, i said i'm sending you an eye-roll. you can very easily be a metal fan, but of course you're not going to be into a lot of the bands he posted, though you would surely have heard of them if you're a big enough fan to use forums, read zines, go to shows, etc...
most really serious metal fans would consider the bands you listed either not metal, too mainstream to really list, or just bad. that's not my opinion, but it does lean towards you probably not being as well-versed in a variety of metal as you may think... that's perfectly fine, but could very well point to why you hadn't heard of many of the bands from the previous poster's list.

[Der_Lex]

most really serious metal fans would consider the bands you listed either not metal, too mainstream to really list, or just bad. that's not my opinion, but it does lean towards you probably not being as well-versed in a variety of metal as you may think... that's perfectly fine, but could very well point to why you hadn't heard of many of the bands from the previous poster's list.

Now this really reeks of metal elitism, which I was discussing with another poster in another thread a little while ago. The 'not metal enough' mindset that I consider a major downside of the metal community. The idea that, for example, I am less of a metal fan because I prefer prog or power metal over thrash or doom metal is simply ridiculous.

[CKarinja]

Now this really reeks of metal elitism, which I was discussing with another poster in another thread a little while ago. The 'not metal enough' mindset that I consider a major downside of the metal community. The idea that, for example, I am less of a metal fan because I prefer prog or power metal over thrash or doom metal is simply ridiculous.

Exactly. What makes one genre of Metal better than another? I would never say you are less than a Metal fan for preferring one genre over another. Whoever thinks that is an elitist to one genre and that is ridiculous.

[afterstasis]

EDIT: To the person you responded to. Being a Metal fan, is it a problem if I enjoy Led Zeppelin, Rush, and The Who along with Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and In Flames?

of course not. i don't think it'd be a problem if your three favorite bands were burzum, the monkees, and ace of base!
however, most serious metalheads would sorta "sound the alarms" were you to type a list of metal bands you like and include the sword, avenged sevenfold, and dragonforce along with your staple mainstream metal and prog bands in an argument for how well-versed you are in the genre.
i'm not accusing him of not knowing his stuff in his respective area of the genre, however.

[afterstasis]

Now this really reeks of metal elitism, which I was discussing with another poster in another thread a little while ago. The 'not metal enough' mindset that I consider a major downside of the metal community. The idea that, for example, I am less of a metal fan because I prefer prog or power metal over thrash or doom metal is simply ridiculous.

i totally agree... i'm hardly a "typical" member of the metal community, but i have been a part of it for a pretty long time and have absorbed a lot of intel over that time...
but am i making the point i'm aiming for? my communication skills are admittedly terrible, so i have to make sure...

[CKarinja]

of course not. i don't think it'd be a problem if your three favorite bands were burzum, the monkees, and ace of base!
however, most serious metalheads would sorta "sound the alarms" were you to type a list of metal bands you like and include the sword, avenged sevenfold, and dragonforce along with your staple mainstream metal and prog bands in an argument for how well-versed you are in the genre.
i'm not accusing him of not knowing his stuff in his respective area of the genre, however.

I don't see your reasoning. I believe Metal as an incredibly diverse genre. Because I don't put Black Metal or Death Metal in with my Hair Metal or Heavy Metal, it makes me less versed in my genre? I'm not in tune with every genre in Metal, but I accept them and am trying to listen to new bands. But I would never assume that someone isn't Metal because they list bands that are different than what I listen to. Metal is my eyes might be different from your eyes (Or ears for that matter ;)).

EDIT: This isn't a post against you or what you believe, but the sounding the alarms part. I don't understand that part of your post.

[Der_Lex]

i totally agree... i'm hardly a "typical" member of the metal community, but i have been a part of it for a pretty long time and have absorbed a lot of intel over that time...
but am i making the point i'm aiming for? my communication skills are admittedly terrible, so i have to make sure...

To me, it's clear that the opinions you present are not your own, but those held by (a rather unpleasant) part of the metal community. Not sure if everyone is with me on that, though, so you might want to be more explicit about that :D

As for communications skills... we all have our little textual slip-ups every now and then. I had one of my own earlier in the thread, and was immediately jumped for it, as per proper forum etiquette... :D

The point (there should be one, shouldn't there): don't sweat it, as long as you don't intentionally offend anyone, it's all good.

[Dartagnan64]

While i'm not a big metal fan myself, I do like some of the metal in the game for playing purposes. Problem is, only one of my friends wants to play those songs.

But I personally like the 90's grunge/alternative music the best and I'd love to see Pearl Jam, Audioslave, Alice in Chains and more Nirvana, Soundgarden, STP.

But my wife and my friends all want the pop rock genre and I admit that stuff is fun at Rock band parties. When everyone knows the songs and sings along while they're playing, it's pretty awesome.

[CKarinja]

To me, it's clear that the opinions you present are not your own, but those held by (a rather unpleasant) part of the metal community. Not sure if everyone is with me on that, though, so you might want to be more explicit about that :D

As for communications skills... we all have our little textual slip-ups every now and then. I had one of my own earlier in the thread, and was immediately jumped for it, as per proper forum etiquette... :D

The point (there should be one, shouldn't there): don't sweat it, as long as you don't intentionally offend anyone, it's all good.

I am partially responsible for that and I take it back :). I misread it and was quick to judge. I did read your post explaining it and it made sense ;).

[afterstasis]

I don't see your reasoning. I believe Metal as an incredibly diverse genre. Because I don't put Black Metal or Death Metal in with my Hair Metal or Heavy Metal, it makes me less versed in my genre? I'm not in tune with every genre in Metal, but I accept them and am trying to listen to new bands. But I would never assume that someone isn't Metal because they list bands that are different than what I listen to. Metal is my eyes might be different from your eyes (Or ears for that matter ;)).

hehe! that's because it's not my reasoning. i'm trying to provide a bit of insight into how deep (and sometimes dumb, or at least eccentric) the metal genre and it's serious participants truly is... i'm trying to balance this with my own feelings and i get the feeling i'm not effectively communicating it through my messages.
can i get a translator up in here? :confused:

[strtfghtr]

lol this discussion is hilarious!

I love metal!

To metal elitists:
put a cork in it and let people like what they like

To those not well versed in metal:
keep an open mind theres a lot of good metal out there

Hard Attack Sirius 27 is all metalheads need to know...they play everything and anything metal (except hair metal that's a diff station)

[Zeleii]

Metal needs to be in RB2, without it the balance would be messed up. The setlists and DLC are made to cater to a wide fan base of players. So just because you or most people dont like Metal, doesnt mean we shouldnt get metal DLC. It's made for Metal fans... BTW if metal isn't what people want... how come Screaming for Vengeance was the best selling album?

[Der_Lex]

hehe! that's because it's not my reasoning. i'm trying to provide a bit of insight into how deep (and sometimes dumb, or at least eccentric) the metal genre and it's serious participants truly is... i'm trying to balance this with my own feelings and i get the feeling i'm not effectively communicating it through my messages.
can i get a translator up in here? :confused:


I am partially responsible for that and I take it back :). I misread it and was quick to judge. I did read your post explaining it and it made sense ;).

And the ironic (or fitting?) part of it all is that I'm actually a professional translator. I'll admit I rarely translate into the same language, though ;) :D

[CKarinja]

hehe! that's because it's not my reasoning. i'm trying to provide a bit of insight into how deep (and sometimes dumb, or at least eccentric) the metal genre and it's serious participants truly is... i'm trying to balance this with my own feelings and i get the feeling i'm not effectively communicating it through my messages.
can i get a translator up in here? :confused:

I somewhat understand you, but I also edited my post to state that it was the "sounding the alarms" part that confused me, the rest made sense. And that it wasn't directed against you in a wrong way. I guess I am about as confused at you, but I think we understand eachother on the diverse part, which was my whole point :).

[afterstasis]

To me, it's clear that the opinions you present are not your own, but those held by (a rather unpleasant) part of the metal community. Not sure if everyone is with me on that, though, so you might want to be more explicit about that :D

As for communications skills... we all have our little textual slip-ups every now and then. I had one of my own earlier in the thread, and was immediately jumped for it, as per proper forum etiquette... :D

The point (there should be one, shouldn't there): don't sweat it, as long as you don't intentionally offend anyone, it's all good.

right-o! i'll provide a summary...
metal is good. making assumptions about others, while human, is bad.

[sorgen]

So, are you saying a person that's not into black/death metal because of the "harsh vocals" can't be a metal fan?

And why would metal fans slam me for liking bands like Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, The Sword, Megadeth, Symphony X, etc.?

personally i love iron maiden, dream theater, megadeth, metallica (pre black album), black sabbath, ozzy, etc...

however i just posted less-mainstream bands that i'd like to see in the game, which doesn't mean that i don't like the more mainstream ones.