The enemy is making its announcement.

[monkeyfish]

85 masters. :O No free 20 songs, reverse importing and DLC support, though. :(

Gotta watch this.

[Creation88]

85 masters. :O No free 20 songs, reverse importing and DLC support, though. :(

Gotta watch this.
where? fda fa

[brobot]

New metallica album on GH:3 ANd world tour PLus 3 New REM songs

[needLEEr]

Epic fail. GH: WT gets the entire new Metallica album. What about RB?...

[chillzatl]

an REM track pack and Metallica's new album? rather weak announcement there guys. I guess they had to do something to avoid being completely steamrolled.

[darkrei9n]

In the beginning of it why was he talking about Rock Band? Why was he describing Rock Band! TELL ME!

[LockedUpInside]

Ouch! That kind of hurt...
I'm not a big Metallica fan but it is one of the biggest bands and they're very popular around here.

Did they say the new album is exclusive to GH or all Metallica songs? Or can HMX still release Metallica content in Rock Band?

[Creation88]

where is this info?

[brobot]

Don't know that was pretty bad

[bse523]

It's the E3 conference on G4. And it's the entire new Metallica Album. And an REM 3 pack from their new album. Yawn.

[Progster]

According to the Microsoft E3 conference Van Halen and The Eagles will also be exclusive to GH:WT.

[HyeJinx1984]

I'd love to see a link or something

[monkeyfish]

Ha, that was a blink-and-you-miss it spectacle. Apparently Duffy is the bigger priority for Microsoft. :(

[Alonzo1948]

I could care less about Metalica and REM, but Van Halen and Eagles Exclusivity? WTF Harmonix?

[bse523]

There's no link. This is live TV. I'm really digging some of the new XBL stuff though.

[chillzatl]

Ouch! That kind of hurt...
I'm not a big Metallica fan but it is one of the biggest bands and they're very popular around here.

Did they say the new album is exclusive to GH or all Metallica songs? Or can HMX still release Metallica content in Rock Band?

he did not say exclusive.

[army_of_me]

According to the Microsoft E3 conference Van Halen and The Eagles will also be exclusive to GH:WT.

I don't care about the Eagles but too bad about Van Halen.

[brobot]

http://e3.gamespot.com/live.html?tag...om_clk=topslot

[BillLauren]

The guy said that the REM tracks were exclusive I believe, but didn't mention exclusivity on the Metallica album Death Magnetic, but that it would be available as DLC at launch.

[Michura]

unless RB also offers that Metallica album, or if the album sucks, I will be getting GH4 in conjunction with RB2 (which I would then not get the bundle for).

[back_blows]

Damn I missed it. All I see is damn duffy.

[Melfice]

"Enemy"?

If the enemy can deliver me a band-"simulator" unlike EA/Harmonix, consider me a traitor!

[Brainstew]

This is new Metallica, nobody cares about new Metallica. We get Battery, a song off of one of the best Metallica albums.

[brobot]

Rock Band Right Now

[Darkfalz]

It's the E3 conference on G4. And it's the entire new Metallica Album. And an REM 3 pack from their new album. Yawn.

Exactly. If they had announced they had Master of Puppets or Ride The Lightning it would be a big deal, but lets be honest... the last few Metallica albums haven't been anything to write home about.

And 3 NEW REM songs? See above.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

This is new Metallica, nobody cares about new Metallica. We get Battery, a song off of one of the best Metallica albums.

You fail. You fail an epic fail. You fail an epic fail of ignorance.

[brobot]

AC/DC Exclussive

[krammkracker]

So whats the GH:WT setlist looking like?

This thread gives me no info at all...

[QueensoftheStoneAge]

@ Crimson Saint


Your avatar fails.

[HyeJinx1984]

As a huge Metallica fan it does sting a little to see this, but at the same time we're getting Battery and I HOPE another Metallica pack and hopefully a full album at some point.

[brobot]

unless RB also offers that Metallica album, or if the album sucks, I will be getting GH4 in conjunction with RB2 (which I would then not get the bundle for).


So whats the GH:WT setlist looking like?

This thread gives me no info at all...

Havent said yet

[raydenblade]

wow, like the metallica idea, and the eagles, and Van Halen

not bad, well, Rock Band I am guessing will have somethign around the same... wait.. they are talking about it now!

[bigbubbagumper6]

Meh, I don't really enjoy Metallica all that much so I care not about that album.

I do like both Van Halen and the Eagles I don't think they are that much of a loss....I won't lose sleep over it :P

[Alonzo1948]

AC/DC Exclusive for RB2!!!

[j_dub_rules]

unless RB also offers that Metallica album, or if the album sucks, I will be getting GH4 in conjunction with RB2 (which I would then not get the bundle for).

If the album sucks? I'm as big a Metallica fan(well, pre 1988) as there is, and I have anticipated each of the last 3 Metallica CD's only to be disappointed....I except this to be no different :(

[Mailman 007]

RB1 Disc songs in RB2!!!!

[Barnaby Fist]

With what's been announced recently for RB2, I have no reason to make another huge investment for GH:WT. Given infinite resources and living room space, I'd have them both. As it is, I've not regretted making my pick for Rock Band. Though I hate to see this turn into an exclusivity contest. That's not going to work out for anyone but the publishers.

[BYC]

It's definitely a "blink and you miss it" thing. The Red Octane rep didn't say too many things we didn't know about already.

On the other hand, Alex of HMX is onstage right now, and he's getting some crowd responses when he mentioned Guns N Roses and backwards compatibility.

[CM_Drunk]

considering GH:Metallica has been leaked, I would assume its a matter of time that they will become GH exclusive

[clinton33]

Yes he used the word "exclusive" with Van halen and the eagles, but not with anything from metallica or REM.

and ACDC is exclusive to Rockband.

I really hate the fact that GH had to step to the dirty level of signing bands with "exclusive right" which forces Rockband to do the same.

[bse523]

He got MUCH more crowd response than GHWT did.

[Darkfalz]

You fail. You fail an epic fail. You fail an epic fail of ignorance.

I'm genuinely interested in why you liked Load, ReLoad, and especially St. Anger?

IMO, Load had a few good songs, but far more misses.

ReLoad has Memory Remains and Fuel is ok, but the rest of the album?

...and then St. Anger????


Maybe its just a generational thing? (Im assuming you're younger than late 30s?) /shrug

I'd really like to know what you liked about those albums though, not in a judgmental way, but in a "give me information that might make me appreciate those albums more" way.

[Splackavellie]

Wow GH announces Van Halen, The Eagles and Metallica and all HMX does is announces a half assed setlist :mad:

[Runch]

What was said is that the "full album" download for Metallica's new album will be exclusive to GH:WT. HMX has already stated they have rights to the new single by Metallica - so we should get a new song from Metallica, just not all the new songs by Metallica. And seeing as Battery is confirmed on disc for RB2, I'm not worried about Metallica exclusivity. Seriously, I love Metallica, but those guys would license themselves out to just about anyone and everyone for an extra buck.

[monkeyfish]

I'm genuinely interested in why you liked Load, ReLoad, and especially St. Anger?

IMO, Load had a few good songs, but far more misses.

ReLoad has Memory Remains and Fuel is ok, but the rest of the album?

...and then St. Anger????


Maybe its just a generational thing? (Im assuming you're younger than late 30s?) /shrug

I'd really like to know what you liked about those albums though, not in a judgmental way, but in a "give me information that might make me appreciate those albums more" way.

I can't speak for him, but Load was a decent album which had that total surprise secondary release just a short while later, so that was cool.

I thought the mere name of the St. Anger album was stupid till I actually listened to the lyrics. It's a unique concept, anger expressed in a healthy way instead of the wah-wah-wah of Fred Durst and Co. Although, I'm getting the same "this is stupid" vibe towards Death Magnetic... :)

[Serpentd]

I'm genuinely interested in why you liked Load, ReLoad, and especially St. Anger?

IMO, Load had a few good songs, but far more misses.

ReLoad has Memory Remains and Fuel is ok, but the rest of the album?

...and then St. Anger????


Maybe its just a generational thing? (Im assuming you're younger than late 30s?) /shrug

I'd really like to know what you liked about those albums though, not in a judgmental way, but in a "give me information that might make me appreciate those albums more" way.

All those albums did suck IMO. But this new Metallica is suppose to be based on the first 4 albums sound. In fact on their upcoming tour, they only plan on playing the first 4 albums along with the new album (Pre 'Black' album). So this new Metallica is suppose to be nothing like all that last crap but rather back to the old school thrash sound. It's suppose to be pretty brutal from what I hear.

[Salvatoris]

Everything Metallica has released since 1992 is utter ****. It's a scientifically proven fact. :P

[moneyp]

I won't miss The Eagles personally, but it's a shame about Van Halen. Backed the wrong horse, fellas.

[orange_black]

All those albums did suck IMO. But this new Metallica is suppose to be based on the first 4 albums sound. In fact on their upcoming tour, they only plan on playing the first 4 albums along with the new album (Pre 'Black' album). So this new Metallica is suppose to be nothing like all that last crap but rather back to the old school thrash sound. It's suppose to be pretty brutal from what I hear.

Ive heard the same....

they're dumping the turd that is Bob Rock and working with Rick Rubin.

.... only time will tell... i love old school metallica, i hope they're new album rocks...

but i doubt it.

:)

[nicko68]

Van Halen + The Eagles > AC/DC (IMO, others will differ).

Looks like both games are going to get awesome bands.

If HMX ends up making a real Wii version I may have to have both games. Otherwise GH:WT FTW.

And "The enemy" ?? :rolleyes:

[visualdeity]

I'm genuinely interested in why you liked Load, ReLoad, and especially St. Anger?

IMO, Load had a few good songs, but far more misses.

ReLoad has Memory Remains and Fuel is ok, but the rest of the album?

...and then St. Anger????


Maybe its just a generational thing? (Im assuming you're younger than late 30s?) /shrug

I'd really like to know what you liked about those albums though, not in a judgmental way, but in a "give me information that might make me appreciate those albums more" way.

You forgot The Unforgiven II.

I suspect you're right in saying it's a generational thing, though. I can't stand most Metallica pre-black album. Then again, I can't stand most Metallica post-black album, either. They had some great songs on the black album, a couple great songs before that, and one after that, but by and large I couldn't see how people can get excited about ANY Metallica besides that one album.

I guess, though, 2 great pre-BA songs is more than 1 great post-BA songs, so one could say that the early days are objectively better in that sense, heh. ;)

Really, the Metallica I want in the game is (and I know it isn't happening) from S&M. That whole album, minus a couple of songs, was pure sex. There are a lot of songs on there that I can't stand in their normal version, but adore the S&M version of.

[DethBoxx]

Getting 'Battery' blows away getting a bunch of 'new' weak Metallica any day.

The last song in GH4 is going to be amazing though, did they announce it yet? Something everyone is going to want in RB2, alas. The band has been mentioned many times in this thread but not the song. I guess they haven't announced it yet.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

I'm genuinely interested in why you liked Load, ReLoad, and especially St. Anger?

IMO, Load had a few good songs, but far more misses.

ReLoad has Memory Remains and Fuel is ok, but the rest of the album?

...and then St. Anger????


Maybe its just a generational thing? (Im assuming you're younger than late 30s?) /shrug

I'd really like to know what you liked about those albums though, not in a judgmental way, but in a "give me information that might make me appreciate those albums more" way.

Please allow me to begin this post by saying that you may be the coolest Thrash-'Tallica fan ever just because you actually took a step back and said "I wonder why he thinks that". I'll also say that the first Metallica album that hooked me was Ride the Lightning. So none of this "he doesn't understand because he was into their 90's stuff first" ****. Sorry, the first two Metallica albums I ever listened to were Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, which I bought after hearing "The Four Horsemen".


As for the real subject here. I'll start with Load. This is, in my opinion, Metallica's second best album. Anyone who thinks James lost his attitude when he blew out his voice is wrong. Just listening to the album opener, "Ain't My *****", Hetfield puts out more attitude than any song previously. "IT AIN'T MY *****-AH!" is one of my all time favorite vocal deliveries. There is also a very skillful use of flanger by Kirk just before the chorus (listen close, it is hard to hear without high-quality headphones). It was on this album that Kirk showed how smart he was with his use of distortion that wasn't a wah-pedal, though his use of that also improved nearly ten-fold. On the next track, "2x4", Lars shows that he can actually write some interesting fills. Clever use of snare and crash cymbal make this song a great drum track, while the guitar parts certainly reveal the maturity of Hetfield and Hammett as they use synch'd wah-pedal. It's also just a great riff. "The House Jack Built" shows once again an extremely mature band that knows how to create a fantastic atmosphere to go along with it's songs. Surprising use of a talk-box by Hetfield in one of his rare solo's actually works well here, and shows that the band as a whole are not afraid to take steps in experimental directions. Skipping to "Hero of the Day", we find a track that begins rather light, but twists into a heavy, double-bass bearing bridge. Such a seamless combination of ballad and heavy deserves a medal. To round off the album (for fear of creating a Great Text Wall of China), "Bleeding Me" features fantastic lyrics. Likely the best vocal performance on the album, I see nothing to dislike here. Fantastic use of "Clean" distortion brings a fantastic feel to the guitar part. An epic album as a whole, with one weak song ("Wasting My Hate", which still has a great riff) out of fourteen. Hardly a metal album, but it's not like Metallica was trying to make one here.


On to ReLoad. Metallica's worst album. This album features some of Metallica's best riffs and lyrics, but also some of their worst. Of the thirteen songs, eight are fantastic and one is average. The other four, however, are absolute garbage that never, never should have made it past the cutting board. "Fuel" is the average one. A good drum part here, but with lyrics that are more than a little trivial, this one never really reaches what should be a satisfying peak. "Devil's Dance" has a fantastic bass-line. This is one song that a can't figure out why metal-heads don't like it. The solo is page right out of "One". The song is an overall five-star song. Great riff and a terrific use of distortion make this song incredible. "Bad Seed" is a fantastic song as well. Structured much in the same way as "Hero of the Day", although this song never lets up on the heaviness. "Where the Wild Things Are" is another song with an absolutely masterful creation of atmosphere. A downright creepy track with a great, heavy riff. "Low Man's Lyric" is an epic ballad. This song simply appeals to the southern-rock man in me. Great, introspective lyrics as Hetfield takes one last look at his relationship with his mother and father. Topping it all off is "Fixxxer". A masterpiece in every way, this is beyond any doubt Metallica's best song of the 90's. Some of the best lyrics ever written reside here. The use of distortion is incredible. Everything about this song is just so Godly. The riff, the solo, the vocals... Everything. Just for reference, the four God-awful tracks are "The Memory Remains", "Better Than You", "Slither", and "Attitude".


And then there is St. Anger. Though I understand that this is Metallica's fourth best (IMO, of course), it is my personal favorite album ever. As a 16 year old, how can I deny such raw aggression? There is so much passion packed into these riffs that I can't help but head bang at the mere thought of these songs. The lyrics are as mundane as they come, and I appreciate this immensely. Every riff on this album is golden. My only knock here: Bob Rock is a sucky bass player. At least that makes the songs easier to play for myself. This album is home to the best drum parts Metallica has ever written. Are they the most complex? No. But never once does Lars seem out of place. On this album he borrows a page from the Clive Burr book of secrets and builds his fills around the guitars. The result is an extremely tight sound that Metallica never really achieved on their other Thrash albums. The build-up in certain songs (multiple times in "Some Kind of Monster", before the heavy chorus of "The Unnamed Feeling", the intro to "Frantic", multiple times in the title track) is as far as I'm concerned some of the most well placed in Metallica's history. The album "smacks you over the head", and that is why I enjoy it so much. There is so much in the anger here that I can relate to. And that's really what it comes down to. I relate to this album. A lot of time's it feels like the soundtrack to my life. The Drop C? I love that. The steel drums? Yeah, I love those too. In short, everything that the average person hates about this album, I love about it. No need to go into song specifics here. Because I doubt that would help. St. Anger is a love/hate relationship, and no one is going to change anyone's mind about it. The album either clicks with you or it doesn't, it there's not a whole lot that can change your first impression of it.


There you have it. My reasons for liking those three albums. If they seem like reviews, it's because they are. That's just how I get my ideas out.

/thread hijack

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Getting 'Battery' blows away getting a bunch of 'new' weak Metallica any day.

The last song in GH4 is going to be amazing though, did they announce it yet? Something everyone is going to want in RB2, alas. The band has been mentioned many times in this thread but not the song. I guess they haven't announced it yet.

I'm guessing Van Halen: "Panama". Though that might be too easy... Or Metallica: "Dyers Eve".

[DethBoxx]

Good guesses but no. Think more "epic".

I can't say what it is though or my buddy would kill me.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

^^Oh God no. It's "Fade to Black" or "Welcome Home".

[DethBoxx]

nyet . . epic may be the wrong word actually... you will probably laugh when you find out what it is.

[Colt_Steele]

I would bet my rent check that Activision is driving hard for Metallica exclusivity....but in this regard the band's greed may actually help the gaming community by refusing to sign exclusivity and profit from any and all suitors. If they had Metallica as an exclusive they surely would have announced it by now.

On a side note, I hope the setlist for GH:M is not a reflection of Aerosmith's. Even as a huge 'tallica fan I won't buy the game regardless until I've played it, and with how Aerosmith turned out I'm expecting the setlist to be comprised largely of deep cuts(such as Escape, Phantom Lord, Leper Messiah) that I'd rather just listen to when I'm in the mood rather than play.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

^^I don't know if the band is greedy, per se, but I think you are right. Metallica and MTV get along very well (see: four music videos from St. Anger, which by all accounts had zero mainstream appeal), and this alone may be the only factor keeping Metallica from going Activision exclusive. What Metallica recognizes at this point is that Guitar Hero is the more recognized name among the mainstream, and so by releasing Death Magnetic as DLC, they are reaching a population about twice the size of RB1. My prediction: The album stays GH exclusive only until GH:WT comes out. On that day, I expect it to be a simultaneous release for World Tour and RB2, assuming that RB2 sells well.

[Aragha]

Hm... I don't know if we are still talking about this or if it has been said, but to my understanding you must purchase the Metallica album for both GH3 and GHWT if you want to play it on both. If this is true, ha...

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Hm... I don't know if we are still talking about this or if it has been said, but to my understanding you must purchase the Metallica album for both GH3 and GHWT if you want to play it on both. If this is true, ha...

Yeah, that is indeed the case. I like how Activision didn't make a point of that at the press conference.

[Aragha]

Yeah, that is indeed the case. I like how Activision didn't make a point of that at the press conference.

Yeah, HMX's backwards compatibility is one of the best features.

[MrGlass214]

Yeah, that is indeed the case. I like how Activision didn't make a point of that at the press conference.

Ummmmmmm.....how do you know? You seem so sure about this...where did you hear it. Nowhere? Okay. Move along, sir.

Of course, if HMX made the exact same announcement, you guys would be fainting. Hypocrites.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Ummmmmmm.....how do you know? You seem so sure about this...where did you hear it. Nowhere? Okay. Move along, sir.

Of course, if HMX made the exact same announcement, you guys would be fainting. Hypocrites.

I'm sorry, I guess you weren't aware of E3. Or of the fact that Activision can't put drum and vocal track onto GH3 because, oh yeah, THERE AREN'T ANY DRUMS OR A MIC FOR GH3. So yeah, move along sir.

[DethBoxx]

Yeah they really should say 'you bought the new Metallica album for GH3....but wait there are also DRUMS and VOX in there! To play the rest, be sure to buy GH4 as soon as possible!!' But, from my understanding, unless there is a last minute change, that is not how it is going to work....

[NX013]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFQ5TFC41-k video of the event

I almost feel bad for him, no one is clapping during his conference, and he is realluy trying, HAH

[sorgen]

lol new metallica album.. those guitar solos are going to be tough!.... oh wait.....

[Colt_Steele]

^^I don't know if the band is greedy, per se, but I think you are right.
I didn't necessarily mean greedy in a negative context, but I think they take the long view in terms of fiscal opportunities(in other words, do we make a pretty large amount right now or make a ton spread out over time), meaning the more people their product is available to the better it is for them as an industry. Maybe only a briefcase worth of cash now but a dump truck's worth down the line for selling their music to different developers. Again, not meant absolutely in a negative way, I'd do the same, but greed was easier to type out than that other stuff just now.