The "I beat Through the Fire and Flames" club.

[parastroke7]

Yep. Woke up, went and picked up GH3 today. Went through it on Expert, stopping twice to do my college paper. Finally, temptation took over and I just had to beat the dmn game, TONIGHT. I wasn't settling for anything less.

By the last tier, my left hand was aching like a fothermucker. I struggled through the battle against Lou (since it's not fair in the least), and got past it. Then, Dragonforce appears.

Took me 30 tries to get past the beginning, and three actual runs at the whole song.
I failed once at 70%, and again at 81%. Got it the third time.

I think my hand may be permanently crippled because of this game.

This is the "I beat Through the Fire and Flames" club thread. So...if you have, or are currently trying...this is the place to post your angst or success.

and don't flame me, guys. I think GH3 is pretty rad, but I'm anticipating Rock Band about 10X more than I was this game. I just thought I'd start a thread about this.

[Raider87]

I haven't beaten it yet... the best I've done was 4% :(
I just can't get past the darn intro for the life of me... it seems like it just fails you so fast because I tried it in practice and got 67% on the intro and 98% on slow speed...
Any tips anyone??

[parastroke7]

My only tip to you is "DON'T GIVE UP." You know that anger that hits you when you realize how unfair Neversoft is? Use it to keep you going. No matter how bad your hand hurts, vow to beat that dmn song.

Practice the "they're hammer ons" part over, and over, and over in practice mode on SLOW. Muscle memory will kick in, and more and more you'll find yourself able to keep up with the pace of the song when played at full speed. It doesn't have to be perfect, just don't lose your place and stop. If you learn to do it perfect, more power to ya. I sure as hell can't.

[Apples]

My hand doesn't reach green to orange without substantial effort, so I bomb the intro as soon as orange gets introduced.

It's such a stupid way to open a song given you have no star power and no rock meter. That section is way overcharted.

[McDeezy]

I cannot get past the intro. Its the only thing that kills me. Ill do what you said and wait for muscle memory to kick in.

[Raider87]

I cannot get past the intro. Its the only thing that kills me. Ill do what you said and wait for muscle memory to kick in.

Ya same here... I've never usually practiced any song but this is a must

[parastroke7]

I cannot get past the intro. Its the only thing that kills me. Ill do what you said and wait for muscle memory to kick in.

It's not so much "waiting" for it to kick in, but it does take time. If you practice the intro at least 30 times in a row, your fingers will have the pattern somewhat memorized. From then on, the more you do it the better you'll get at it.

[Oxyplox]

Can't get past the intro. :[
I'll keep practicing though.

[Spear_of_Destiny]

why all the fuss? play it on easy. pssht. problem solved.

[Apples]

why all the fuss? play it on easy. pssht. problem solved.


Actually the song is a hundred times worse on lower difficulties. For example on hard, they take out 1/2 the solo notes, but make you strum them all. It becomes a 7 minute strumfest a la Six from GH2.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Actually the song is a hundred times worse on lower difficulties. For example on hard, they take out 1/2 the solo notes, but make you strum them all. It becomes a 7 minute strumfest a la Six from GH2.

Yeah. It sucks!

[Jimmik]

Muscle memory? Okay I'll give it a shot. I liked how they let you play TTF&F the very first time, it was a cool idea and nice implementation of the neversoft team. I laughed :P

[Eman311]

I'll let you know once i beat lou :(

[icantwaitforrockband]

can you only unlock it by playing on expert? I'm assuming beating lou on any difficulty would unlock it...?

[IbanezBassist_v2]

can you only unlock it by playing on expert? I'm assuming beating lou on any difficulty would unlock it...?

You would be correct sir.

[Quastor]

Actually the song is a hundred times worse on lower difficulties. For example on hard, they take out 1/2 the solo notes, but make you strum them all. It becomes a 7 minute strumfest a la Six from GH2.

Oh, you mean just like the last 3 tiers on Hard?

It it more than a small irk that the HOPO's are determined differently in GH3, the past formulas don't work. It seems that rather than the system determining which notes can b HOPO'd based on distance relative to the beat, it's now determined as part of the chart. It's a really hard habit for me to break, as I'm used to seeing the note I need to strum, then being able to eye which notes follow that I can get away with HOPO'ing, allowing me to focus more on the notes and making sure I'm hitting the right buttons. Now I've got to pay more attention to the tops of the notes to see when I need to strum again, and I end up screwing up more, as my hands are going all over the place rather than keeping the discipline I'd picked up in the last 3 iterations of the game.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Yes...That as well sucks!

[The_Wurm]

Wow, 16 replies and only one person beat it, a little off topic if you ask me.

Yea I beat it, the beginning is a *****, and on the whole song scale i only failed once at 85% because i accidentally activated star power at the "whooaawhoooaawhoaa" part of the song.





ive beaten it a couple of times now, i think my best percent so far is 87%

[Apples]

Oh, you mean just like the last 3 tiers on Hard?

It it more than a small irk that the HOPO's are determined differently in GH3, the past formulas don't work. It seems that rather than the system determining which notes can b HOPO'd based on distance relative to the beat, it's now determined as part of the chart. It's a really hard habit for me to break, as I'm used to seeing the note I need to strum, then being able to eye which notes follow that I can get away with HOPO'ing, allowing me to focus more on the notes and making sure I'm hitting the right buttons. Now I've got to pay more attention to the tops of the notes to see when I need to strum again, and I end up screwing up more, as my hands are going all over the place rather than keeping the discipline I'd picked up in the last 3 iterations of the game.

I know exactly what you're saying. It's practically GH1 style charts where you're strumming everything because you can't trust the ho-po's.

(Except for the ones after a 20 second sustain... thank GOODNESS they added those! :rolleyes: )

[Quastor]

I know exactly what you're saying. It's practically GH1 style charts where you're strumming everything because you can't trust the ho-po's.

(Except for the ones after a 20 second sustain... thank GOODNESS they added those! :rolleyes: )

lmao. Yeah, I saw those a few times and uttered "WTF?" It's gotten to the point where I just shake my head and keep going. Though not too hard, or else I'll end up activating star power. And possibly the video studder.

[parastroke7]

The "activate star power three times" achievement is going to be a btch...I can tell right now. If you use it un-wisely, you might not finish the song.

[Raider87]

The "activate star power three times" achievement is going to be a btch...I can tell right now. If you use it un-wisely, you might not finish the song.

Wait you can't just activate SP 3 times and quit or something? You have to finish the song with only 3 activations??

[parastroke7]

Wait you can't just activate SP 2 times and quit or something? You have to finish the song with only 3 activations??

Correct, sir. You must do the impossible.

[Apples]

The achievement says "Activate Star Power 3 times on Through the Fire and Flames on Expert".

To me that says you just need to use SP 3 times somewhere in the song. It doesn't say ONLY 3 times or MAXIMUM of 3 times. It doesn't even say you need to finish the song.

Am I missing something?

[SmokaCola]

The achievement says "Activate Star Power 3 times on Through the Fire and Flames on Expert".

To me that says you just need to use SP 3 times somewhere in the song. It doesn't say ONLY 3 times or MAXIMUM of 3 times. It doesn't even say you need to finish the song.

Am I missing something?

Pretty sure that 3rd time you activate it you'll get the achievement.

[Eman311]

Pretty sure you need to finish the song.

[senomar]

I can't make it past 2%. :mad:

I'll try the Muscle Memory strategy, and hope to God that I make it.... but things are looking increasingly bleak for me completing TTFATF. :(

[R0ck3r]

Actually the song is a hundred times worse on lower difficulties. For example on hard, they take out 1/2 the solo notes, but make you strum them all. It becomes a 7 minute strumfest a la Six from GH2.

Hmm wow. I don't do so great with HOPO's (on GH). So for me, everytime I play it, it is a 7-8 minute strumfest. Surprisingly though, it doesn't bother me at all.

[Rev0lver]

lol... beating TTFAF... thats funny...

i wish i could get past 2%. i got 64% hit on practice though!

rly, my only accomplishment so far is getting in the top 500 on leaderboards for La Grange.

[R0ck3r]

lol... beating TTFAF... thats funny...

i wish i could get past 2%. i got 64% hit on practice though!

rly, my only accomplishment so far is getting in the top 500 on leaderboards for La Grange.

I usually get about 76% hit on practice. Thats about 2800 notes... As for your goal, good luck with that I will NEVER be able to hit the leaderboards. :o

[Elnino]

I'll never be able to beat this song. I don't even have the game yet, this is a prediction. I need tips on beating Jordan. I need help with the notes right before the "Super Crazy Hard as F*ck Solo". I'm not talking about the break, I mean the end of solo 1 where it goes downscale a few time. Like O B Y O BY OBR OBR OYR OYR ect...

[The_Wurm]

CLARIFICATION!!!!!!!!!!!!



I just attempted to do the 3 star power achievement on dragon force.

Apparently i activated star power 4 times, passed the song, but i didn't get the achievement


I haven't tried it again, but since i didnt' get the achievement the way i did it, im pretty sure you have to activate starpower exactly 3 times

I will confirm this once i do it.

[DWDrummer121]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I BEAT IT!

So, I won a Wii copy of GH3 in a competition at the midnight release, played a song, then started career in the morning and I've been practicing ever since I beat the game yesterday at like 4:00 PM; before dinner, after dinner, after my shower, then at 2:00AM until I got yelled at by my parents, and even in school; yes, I brought it to school like I do with GH2 every week to entertain. So yeah, I got home from a football game at my school like an hour ago and got on the computer only to see this thread and it made me just go to my room and practice more. So I went through the usual... tried it on quick play a few times, got sick of failing 0, 1, 2% into the song, so went to practice mode and aced it on slow, then tried it full speed and still didn't get it. Then, I just didn't care anymore, so I went back to quick play and tried it over, and over and over again until finally, for some odd, strange, bizzare reason, I got past the intro and from there, like I knew it'd be, it was all easy(er) until the end, yet, unfortunetly, I think I've lost any bit of feeling in my left hand. Ah well, it was worth it, I guess.
In then end, 82%. Not bad. I got 80% on my practice mode full song run. So, yeah, finally beat it and I'm lovin' this thread dude.:D

[senomar]

God damn you Dragonforce!!!!

*shakes fist in the air*

[The_Wurm]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I BEAT IT!

So, I won a Wii copy of GH3 in a competition at the midnight release, played a song, then started career in the morning and I've been practicing ever since I beat the game yesterday at like 4:00 PM; before dinner, after dinner, after my shower, then at 2:00AM until I got yelled at by my parents, and even in school; yes, I brought it to school like I do with GH2 every week to entertain. So yeah, I got home from a football game at my school like an hour ago and got on the computer only to see this thread and it made me just go to my room and practice more. So I went through the usual... tried it on quick play a few times, got sick of failing 0, 1, 2% into the song, so went to practice mode and aced it on slow, then tried it full speed and still didn't get it. Then, I just didn't care anymore, so I went back to quick play and tried it over, and over and over again until finally, for some odd, strange, bizzare reason, I got past the intro and from there, like I knew it'd be, it was all easy(er) until the end, yet, unfortunetly, I think I've lost any bit of feeling in my left hand. Ah well, it was worth it, I guess.
In then end, 82%. Not bad. I got 80% on my practice mode full song run. So, yeah, finally beat it and I'm lovin' this thread dude.:D

that makes 3

[icantwaitforrockband]

goddamn all you people *****in' you can't pass 2%!!! I can't get passed 0%!!!

[parastroke7]

haha. lol @ wurm. Four times must have been too many. Stupid neversoft!

[The_Wurm]

haha. lol @ wurm. Four times must have been too many. Stupid neversoft!

yea, i was so pissed, because its a such long song. i can beat it pretty much every time now, unless i **** my pants during the intro, but it still hurts my forearm muscle by the time im done with it, which isn't any fun.

[jonfitzsimon]

I beat it, because whenever you pass Lou on Hard mode, you play through the song while the credits are rolling in the background and you arent scored on it...

Does that count?

[Saltines]

I beat it, because whenever you pass Lou on Hard mode, you play through the song while the credits are rolling in the background and you arent scored on it...

Does that count?
If this counts then I got it on expert.

[Kyidro]

Tormented One: This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about GHIII, Herman and Sam don't even frickin PLAY the intro live. Hell, they can barely play the rest of the song.

This is a BAD chart. Much like the One chart and Raining Blood charts.

And Disturbed and Slipknot did not deserve to be in this game.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

[Thrashdragon]

I beat it, because whenever you pass Lou on Hard mode, you play through the song while the credits are rolling in the background and you arent scored on it...

Does that count?

I'm pretty sure you can't fail it while the credits are rolling. I beat it on Hard last night, and wasn't expecting a song to pop up, and consequently played it like crap (being in actual physical pain from playing barefoot on a hardwood floor for five hours didn't help either). It still went all the way to the end. I replayed it on Hard afterwards and did quite a bit better on it and still only three starred it. Pretty sure I would've failed it during the credits if it was possible.

[The_Wurm]

Does that count?

lol, not at all.

[Saltines]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/Fitzershaint/PICT0187.jpg
dododododo

[Simonious]

I refuse to play it on single player, because EVERY TIME I do pro faceoff, some smartass thinks it'd be funny to choose TtFaF as their song, so we have to go through the whole thing, annihilating my wrist, making it impossible to play anything short of 'Slow Ride'. :|

[The_Wurm]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/Fitzershaint/PICT0187.jpg
dododododo

sweet, good job. pretty good score too

[JB4GDI]

Beat it just this morning. Got 355,779. I can post a pic later.

That song was a lot more forgiving than that stupid Raining Blood one.

And for those that can't handle the intro on one hand: use two. It took me like maybe 20 attempts to get my hands synched, but now I can full combo the intro every other time.

-Jaime

[tombrady]

yeah i was going to say...just plant the green button with your normal fret hand then move your other hand up and tap the rest of it...you've gotta be ghetto because if you **** it up you have to reach back down to strum and miss a few notes, but it's really not bad tapping.

[JB4GDI]

Yeah, if you can get the 2nd hand up and nail the first 16 notes, you've got the rest of the section.

-Jaime

[xXxB_DubxXx]

I havent beaten the sone yet but i get 86% throug it, always win it in pro face off with about a 360K score and 200 not streak, but to get through the intro, if you hae a friend, or even a piece of tape, tape down or get held the green button throughout the intro and strum on the colored notes. if you have tape you can keep it there until you reach the part with no notes and then it goes to a GY chord. That is the way i founf helps. you guys can add me and play me if you want, my gamertag is xXxB DubxXx

[Raider87]

Finally beat it...
Here's the achievement (http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/Achievements/ViewAchievementDetails.aspx?tid=%09%5D:%60m/l4%04e4X6z-17&compareTo=RAIDER877)

Got about 291k 84% but I could have done much better, its just that I was tired from trying to beat the song 20 times in a row, but hey I'll take it for now...

[lithiumkc]

I played it for the first time a couple nights ago... Failed out miserably my first time, but the 2nd time I tried about half an hour later and thought of the note chart.. Kept my finger held down on green and I did really damn good on the intro. Failed in the solo somewhere though as i didn't save star power.. I wanna try it again.

[Sngnlvr]

I got about 400k and i think about 91% when i beat it. The first time i played it i got 1% into it, then the second time i got 78%, then lucky number three i beat it.

[CENACHAINGANG54]

I know it is not as impressive as beating it on Expert, but I have beaten this song on medium with a 93% So far no one online has been able to beat me playing this song. The difficulty has been amped up from the previous games, and I am trying to break myself from old hammer on patterns. So I have beat it and now I move on to try to bet it on hard By the way beating this song on any level other than easy is no small feat!!:D

[jq71586]

Has anyone who has beaten this song done it on a PS3?

[tormentedbyu]

Got it.

...with a weird ass tapping technique.

[Raider87]

Got it.

...with a weird ass tapping technique.

Do you strum with your elbow? heh

I'm 4k away from a 4*

[parastroke7]

Video my friend made of me two-hand-tapping the intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzaSKh4nQI8

My friend made it, not me. By no means do I feel that I rock. I can just two-tap D-force.

[senomar]

I made it through the solo with virtually one note away from failing.... made it back to the chorus... and failed on some stupid tapping sequence at 90%. :mad:

[ibeatjordan]

can someone please tell me how the hell to beat the intro to TTFF!!!?!?!?!? I tried taping down the green button and strumming the rest of the notes but it didnt work. I NEED HELP!!

[TylerSalak]

Beat it and 4 starred it on hard
1% on EXpert yippeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DIEGOROBOT26]

Beat it on expert on my sightread, and I almost have it five starred now, just a little more.:cool:

[tormentedbyu]

Beat it on expert on my sightread, and I almost have it five starred now, just a little more.:cool:

For some reason, I have this serious SERIOUS doubt, that you beat it on your sight-read.

[tormentedbyu]

can someone please tell me how the hell to beat the intro to TTFF!!!?!?!?!? I tried taping down the green button and strumming the rest of the notes but it didnt work. I NEED HELP!!

You must tap, sir.

[JB4GDI]

Has anyone who has beaten this song done it on a PS3?

No. I tried, but the stupid wireless lag is impossible to deal with when you're trying to get the star power phrases in the solo sections.

I was able to beat it pretty consistently on the 360 version, but I gave up on GH3 when RockBand hit. Also, schoolwork.

-Jaime

[thekevster17]

i finally beat it yesterday after about 50 tries, the intro was the hardest part for me.

[Raider87]

I just got 467k here at work... which kinda sucks because I have no xbl here :( but I gots a new path and I think I can get a much better score later, hopefully at home

[Manda]

My fiance just booted GHIII up for the first time in a while (with two jobs he hasn't had much time to do anything), and started up TTFAF and said to me "Babe, I want to know if there's anything even close to this in Rock Band." (he doesn't play it because he "hates the guitar") and failed it 10 seconds after it got crazy (as usual, though he got through it on hard). I of course had to explain to him that Rock Band's songs are designed to be challenging, but not f***ing insane. I mean, right now he's trying to get through Cliffs of Dover, and is constantly repeating the song because he misses a star power and needs that to get through the opening, which is getting on my nerves (and by the the time this posts he'll have finally given up, yay!).

BTW I've beaten TTFAF on easy. lol, no challenge there! I usually play on medium, though so it was one step down.

EDIT: BTW after showing him The Escapist video he came to an agreeance with me, because ironically he's been playing on Expert forever, and GHIII caused him to move down to Hard due to its sheer insanity.

[Raider87]

For some reason, I have this serious SERIOUS doubt, that you beat it on your sight-read.

Well then you don't know Diego very well then

[Frederf]

Last time I played it (Expert of course) I got 76% of the notes in practice. My attempt on a graded (failable) run was really quickly at 1-2%. The intro looks impossible but I have a feeling there's a trick to it.

It's a stupid-ridiculous note chart for sure, that's kinda the point. Calling TTtFaF unrealstic is like calling Disney's Pinocchio an inaccurate documentary on marionettes, i.e. missing the point.