RB totally pwned GH at the Xbox360 E3

[Bogart]

You had me at "Let There Be Rock"!

Opening the presentation with Classic Bon Scott era AC/DC was brilliant. That right there put the smack down on GH.

You got my hopes up when you mentioned G&R...I was hoping for something from their only good album, Appetite for Destruction, but instead you said they were providing a new song....bzzzzzzzz...wrong answer.

I was finally totally won over when I wiki'ed the RB2 songlist. Brilliant!!!
I'd be hard pressed to put together a better list...although many songs are ones I have on my list. Devo, Uncontrollable Urge? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah YEAH!!!!

Bravo HMX.

[Ubernator]

I love how the GH:WT representative went on stage first and bragged about how GH:WT would have the most master tracks in any game...Then Alex goes on stage for Harmonix and drops the bomb that EVERY ON-DISC RB2 SONG will be a master.

[Starfleet_Rambo]

I wish the GH:WT song list was out. I want to know what they hell they have.

[AMac2002]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rmjq-IWPnK4

More ownage at 20 seconds...

[Alonzo1948]

I wonder what the GH representative was thinking when he heard the RB2 announcement.

[InsaneGame]

I wonder what the GH representative was thinking when he heard the RB2 announcement.

I want to know what he was thinking when Alex actually got cheers from the crowd.

[darknessmoon]

I love how the GH:WT representative went on stage first and bragged about how GH:WT would have the most master tracks in any game...Then Alex goes on stage for Harmonix and drops the bomb that EVERY ON-DISC RB2 SONG will be a master.

Lmao! What I thought was funny was when that guy for GH:WT left a few pauses that seemed like he was expecting a reaction from the crowd, but he got nothing instead. I know Alex got some enthusiasm from the crowd. :D

[RobbySuave]

I love how the GH:WT representative went on stage first and bragged about how GH:WT would have the most master tracks in any game...Then Alex goes on stage for Harmonix and drops the bomb that EVERY ON-DISC RB2 SONG will be a master.
I'm pretty sure all the on-disc GH:WT songs are masters too.

[Starfleet_Rambo]

Epic ***.

Activision, you need people who know what the hell they're talking about players that can rock around a bit. Yeesh.

[Tralfmadorian]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rmjq-IWPnK4

More ownage at 20 seconds...

Love it.

In his defense, I do think he meant "For the first time [in the Guitar Hero franchise]..."

Still, major kudos to the woman on stage with him for the burn.

[destruction3402]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rmjq-IWPnK4

More ownage at 20 seconds...
"Asked me 'eeeh us a product that has never been shown before. So we decided we have a new product coming out in the fall called Guitar hero: world tour, which is the first time you'll have multiple instruments. Drums, mic, bass, different guitar" and then she says: "called rock band I think."
HAHA so awesome, epic reply to him :)

[RockBandRocker]

I wonder what the GH representative was thinking when he heard the RB2 announcement.

I think it was along the lines of:

"S**t! We're f**ked. There is no way we can promote this piece of s**t game".


I want to know what he was thinking when Alex actually got cheers from the crowd.

I think it was along the lines of:

"F**k! I'm getting fired. I thought they would be excited about new Metallica and the fact that they would have to pay for it twice".

[PaperMario21]

wow that ugly interface almost hasn't changed since guitar hero 3, I thought it has been revamped.
guess not...:rolleyes:

[trilidar]

What kills me is who are they really marketing this product to?

I mean you come on telling us the next Guitar Hero's the bomb and super revolutionary (when even the presenter knew you were blowing smoke) and you break out.. wait for it..

Paula Abdul to hawk it?!

Seriously. Paula Abdul. This is a joke, right?

Can I see a raise of hands of any real rockers on here who honestly value and respect anything Paula Abdul has to say about a videogame? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Activision really needs to get their act together while anyone still really cares about Guitar Hero as a franchise.
tril

[Daytman]

I laughed through all of GH:WT, I mean... none of the announcements excited me. REM 3-pack? HOLY SH*T! THAT'S really lame. And unneccesary to announce. Poor Activision stands no chance.

[RockBandRocker]

You should see the guy who hawked it at MS's showcase. Awkward silences for the laugh :):D:p


Activision doesn't stand a chance and they know it.

[LoopyChew]

I love how the GH:WT representative went on stage first and bragged about how GH:WT would have the most master tracks in any game...Then Alex goes on stage for Harmonix and drops the bomb that EVERY ON-DISC RB2 SONG will be a master.

Is there a video of this anywhere? Much as I love the GHWT ownage at All Things D, I'm curious to see this particular video.

[TheBled]

Um, All songs on GH:WT will be master tracks. That was released WAY before RB said all theirs would be master tracks and was in the game informer piece. Honestly, GH:WT doesnt look half bad and that youtube video doesnt help it at all. Everyone just bashes on it because this is the RB forums.

Depending on what GH will pull for their entire setlist and how much on disc is gonna be there will persuade some people to choose between the two. I myself, plan on getting RB2 disk and GHIV bundle.

[simmias]

Did any of you bashing GHWT actually watch the stream last night, or are you just commenting on this months-old youtube video? Hot For Teacher looked pretty fun, at least on guitar and vocals. The drums looked a little awkward and poorly charted, at least in the beginning.

I'll have to see more gameplay with the drums before I can justify buying the whole bundle. I may just buy the game, since my guitars and mics will work with it (it uses a Logitech mic).

The slide bar on the new GHWT guitar looks almost like it's cheating. You can do really, really fast sections just by sliding back and forth on it (no strumming, no buttons to press), which really seems cheap. It's almost like Activision is forcing you to buy their new crap guitar to compete on the leaderboards, since any jerkwad off the street will be able to pull off the craziest of solos with ease with that thing. Unfortunately, this will probably be a big selling point for a lot of people.

The create-a-song feature looks cool, but very complicated. It will take FOREVER to create anything decent, although I'm sure many people will nerd up and create some good things.

Lots of people will buy this thing, guys. The graphics look awful, but it's the setlists that sell these things. Van Halen, The Doors, The Eagles... those are big names, and I'm sure there will be other ones to join them. I just wish we'd gotten more of them last night. Their presentation was painful to watch at times, and I really wanted more setlist hints.

[RockBandRocker]

^ Their presentation was painful because we've already seen it with Rock Band.

I mean, they are sort of late for getting on the band wagon (no pun intended). Rock Band did it FIRST and they are doing it BEST.


You all do realize that if you want the new Metallica album in GH3 & GH:WT you would have to DL it twice, right?

Yeah, I'm going to stick with Rock Band, spend the $ once and get to play it across both games.

Rock Band is the better franchise, and I think that, in time, more GH fans will come over when they realize just how much they are getting boned. :)

[squiggerz]

Is that Tony Hawk on guitar???

Activision's little puppet....

SKATE MONKEY SKATE!!!

WE GOTTA PUT OUT 7 MORE GAMES WITH YOUR UGLY MUG PLASTERED ALL OVER IT BY THE END OF THE YEA---- WAIT--- HERE, GO PLAY THIS FAKE GUITAR AND TRY NOT TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE HAVING FUN, YOU LIFELESS SELLOU---I MEAN GREAT SKATEBOARDER/ROCKER!

[HellishFiend]

The slide bar on the new GHWT guitar looks almost like it's cheating. You can do really, really fast sections just by sliding back and forth on it (no strumming, no buttons to press), which really seems cheap. It's almost like Activision is forcing you to buy their new crap guitar to compete on the leaderboards, since any jerkwad off the street will be able to pull off the craziest of solos with ease with that thing. Unfortunately, this will probably be a big selling point for a lot of people.


Thats what people were saying about the RB Strat because of the solo buttons... but it turns out ALL (to my knowledge) the best Rock Band guitarists use a Red Octane controller.

[Samfo]

^ Their presentation was painful because we've already seen it with Rock Band.

I mean, they are sort of late for getting on the band wagon (no pun intended). Rock Band did it FIRST and they are doing it BEST.


You all do realize that if you want the new Metallica album in GH3 & GH:WT you would have to DL it twice, right?

Yeah, I'm going to stick with Rock Band, spend the $ once and get to play it across both games.

Rock Band is the better franchise, and I think that, in time, more GH fans will come over when they realize just how much they are getting boned. :)

Announced that GH3 DLC works with GH:WT, so yeah youd only need to buy it once.

[BYC]

Is that Tony Hawk on guitar???

Activision's little puppet....

SKATE MONKEY SKATE!!!

WE GOTTA PUT OUT 7 MORE GAMES WITH YOUR UGLY MUG PLASTERED ALL OVER IT BY THE END OF THE YEA---- WAIT--- HERE, GO PLAY THIS FAKE GUITAR AND TRY NOT TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE HAVING FUN, YOU LIFELESS SELLOU---I MEAN GREAT SKATEBOARDER/ROCKER!
LOL

We've known about the GH:WT clip for a while, but it's still funny. I heard the official announcement that the game will be playable on RB drums. If that's the case, I might consider a rental to check it out.

[squiggerz]

Thats what people were saying about the RB Strat because of the solo buttons... but it turns out ALL (to my knowledge) the best Rock Band guitarists use a Red Octane controller.

Define 'the best'.

[Soja]

I don't know why anyone doubted Harmonix, honestly.

[RockBandRocker]

Announced that GH3 DLC works with GH:WT, so yeah youd only need to buy it once.

^ Well the guy at the MS keynote made it sound like you would need to pay for/DL it twice.

Good to know that the imitation train keeps a rollin'.

[HellishFiend]

Define 'the best'.

umm... the high profile ones that post on youtube... >_> Thats why I specified "to my knowledge", because how can I know about the ones that dont post videos of using the strat to achieve top scores?

[squiggerz]

umm... the high profile ones that post on youtube... >_> Thats why I specified "to my knowledge", because how can I know about the ones that dont post videos of using the strat to achieve top scores?

Gotcha. I would never call myself even close to the best, but I'd say I'm in the 1700-1800 on the xbox leaderboards (that's been a month or two ago so I could have dropped a lot since then) using the strat. A little over 8.5, maybe 8.6 mil career score.

I don't think I could go back to using the old GH guitars. I guess it's the profile of the neck, doesn't feel so much like I'm holding a baseball bat when I use the strat.

But you're right, most of the vids on youtube do feature the LP or the xplorer.

I might have to go back and give the 'ol xplorer a few runs and see what happens.

[CPT BJ]

I used to be a massive GH fanoy and bought all DLC then RB came out a few months ago and after a few days of owning rockband, i now am a rock band fanboy. RB is far superior.

[irondentist]

I am no fanboy. I love both games and will be getting RB2 and GHWT when they both come out on the 360. Since the instruments may be compatible, my dream set up would be the RB guitar with ByteArts mod, RB Bass with double spit strummer, and GHWT drums (I just love the set up with the 2 cymbals).

My guess why the RB and GHWT instruments being compatible on the 360 and not on PS3 is because of the licensed wireless signal for Microsoft is one of and the same and cant be deactivated on one set of instruments.

[simmias]

Thats what people were saying about the RB Strat because of the solo buttons... but it turns out ALL (to my knowledge) the best Rock Band guitarists use a Red Octane controller.
This is really different, though. In the presentation, the guy just had to barely touch anything to pull off crazy triplets. Hopefully somebody will post a capture so you guys can see what I'm talking about.

[Phil Manutz]

/rant(you've been warned)

after reading all the hype and trash talk in this forum about how pwned ghwt was onstage, and how no one clapped for them...etc....etc... I was led to believe that the RB showing SOOOOO much better, and the crowd going wild, by what you people were hyping up. imagine my surprise when I watched the video and I saw that the HMX rep BARELY got a better reaction out of the crowd, and it didn't even seem genuine. it was like "well, we didn't clap for the other guy, let's not seem too selfish..."

seriously, I am getting a little tired of the serious hatoration on these forums, many of you talk trash about the dumbest little differences in the games, and their presentations. all of it, hate for the sake of hating, like little children. I love this one. "when they announced they would be releasing with more master tracks....blahblahblah RB2 is ALL master tracks... blah....

GHWT is also ALL master tracks, over 85 on-disc. why are they pwned? if there are 5 good songs that I am interested in playing in GHWT, that beats over 80 songs that I don't care about in RB2. don't get me wrong, RB2's setlist has a crapload of great bands, but very little of those bands' great songs. DLC songs that may or may not be masters? sure, that's good for RB, but not what I would call pwnage. I couldn't care less that RB has extra DLC songs. because they already have a HUGE dlc library, releasing more DLC, free or not, like they do every week isn't pwnage.

"oh, the interface is ugly" all the strobing, flashing, colorful custom highways, easy to read circular notes and easily distinguishable glowing hammer-ons and pull-offs too much for you? no offense to Harmonix, but the slightly smaller notes at high speeds can sometimes be very hard to read especially in some of the more complex charts, and don't tell me I am the first to complain about that, because more than a few of you have brought that up in other threads too.

or maybe it's the "ugly" characters that you can customize down to their cheek bone structure, length of their legs or build of any other single body part. oh, I know, it's the four or five different layers of colors in each piece of their ridiculously wide selection of clothing and accessories. oh, no, waitwaitwait, you know what really sucks? the fact that I can play as jimi hendrix, or travis barker, or any number of other great musicians guest starring in GHWT.

and don't get me started on the outstanding drum kit, new guitar that allows you to slide play repeating series of notes on its touch pad frets and the music creator, with the implementation of the POD technology. I've watched all the demo vids. two words: EPIC WIN.

many of you people(you know who you are) are ridiculously ******ed. as much as people here talk about how barbaric, ignorant and full of teenagers the GH forums are, you know what? Having taken a good look at their forums, there aren't even HALF as many GHWT vs RB threads as there are here. there aren't even as many locked threads as there are here. you claim pwnage over GH, but those guys are nowhere near as concerned about you as you are about them. they just love GH, and that's their bottom line. they don't spend all day talking about how they want your game to fail.

If I were Harmonix, I would spend a good portion of my day banning the hell out of you mindless fanboying trolls, trying to justify your dollar spent by trashing the other guy. Harmonix deserves better than you. I am going to stop rambling on now, and excuse myself from this conversation, and these farcical forums. you guys have fun bashing the competition and cursing them to hell while I sit back and enjoy the greatness that will be both GHWT AND ROCK BAND 2.

(insert "so what?" and "you won't be missed" comments here, as I won't be here to read them so have fun talking to yourselves.)

MESSAGE TO HARMONIX

Thanks for the experience that is Rock Band, and its soon-to-be sequel. I wish you guys the best of luck in all your endeavors, and not to worry, if there is anything I wish to convey to you guys that I think may help you better the franchise, I'll contact you through PMs with my suggestions and concerns. Also I would like to apologize on behalf of the sorry, whining, rabid mob that has become the seeming majority of your fanbase. For all your hard work, you all deserve better. Thanks again, and hey, maybe I will get to play with some of you when the next 'play with the devs' event hits. My XBL gamertag is bloodcatalyst if any of you care to add me. (any of you noobs who use my gamertag to send me ******ed profane messages will be promptly reported and I will block communication with you.)


Thanks again people,
-Phil Manutz


ROCK ON!!

[nicko68]

/rant(you've been warned)


That rant was right on!

[BT67]

Announced that GH3 DLC works with GH:WT, so yeah youd only need to buy it once.

I read on GH forums that the GH3 dlc will only work with the Guitar.... If that is incorrect I'm sorry but it was posted by GH fan.

[bigdug13]

The fact is, this particular competition has been good. The biggest news to come out of this IMO is Activision's revelation that forcing people to buy even more instruments for their "rocking out" parties would have been a huge mistake. So they release the news that you won't have to buy a damn thing except the game if you already own RB instruments.

That's a huge departure from their previous stance, and shows that the competition is lighting a fire under their asses. Harmonix and Activision are trying to one-up each other as far as on-disc song content as well. Do you think we would be seeing nearly 100 master track songs for $60 if both companies weren't fighting so hard to be the game of choice?

It does suck that competition also brings out exclusive deals though, and it shows how many of these older artists are only trying to continue raking in revenue and aren't really concerned with trying to be a part of the innovation train that Harmonix has been the engineer of for years.

I'm going to buy GH:WT, only because they're not forcing me to clutter my room with more instruments to do it. Also, since RB2 is releasing as the game by itself first, that's going to be only $120 for over 150 master tracks from GREAT artists. And it's all compatible with the instruments I already have.

I LOVE this genre. I LOVE playing drums, guitar, bass, and singing. I LOVE using the money I used to spend on crappy games to buy DLC songs that I actually play. I LOVE having the best party games on the planet, and I LOVE that the competition is providing me all of the features I want at a faster-than-usual pace.

Do you really think we would have seen all of these features from both companies so quickly if the competition didn't exist? I love Harmonix to death, and have been a fan since Amplitude, but come on. Both companies are pushing each other harder than ever, and we're going to be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I don't care how much of an obvious Rock Band copy GH:WT is. This is just something that happens in the industry. Do you think Sony would have ever released an analog stick on PS1 if Nintendo didn't show everyone how 3D games are supposed to be controlled on N64? Do you think Sony would be scrambling to add "trophies" and in-game messaging if Microsoft wasn't so successful with it on the 360?

Bring on the competition. Up next, DLC price wars!!!

[Sveppi]

Announced that GH3 DLC works with GH:WT, so yeah youd only need to buy it once.
Only for guitar, so you'd need to buy the band version as well.

[CKarinja]

I saw the Guitar Hero demo, but I just can't see myself playing it. The presentation of the game just doesn't look good and took everything from Rock Band. Plus, the fact that I'm used to the Rectangles in Rock Band would make it hard to do it with the Circles (Trying to play Guitar Hero III is hard for me now because the Circles annoy me too much...).

[brobot]

I saw the Guitar Hero demo, but I just can't see myself playing it. The presentation of the game just doesn't look good and took everything from Rock Band. Plus, the fact that I'm used to the Rectangles in Rock Band would make it hard to do it with the Circles (Trying to play Guitar Hero III is hard for me now because the Circles annoy me too much...).

100% agree

[nicko68]

Plus, the fact that I'm used to the Rectangles in Rock Band would make it hard to do it with the Circles (Trying to play Guitar Hero III is hard for me now because the Circles annoy me too much...).

See, and I prefer the circles. It's easier for me to tell the difference between strummed and HOPO notes with the circles than it is the rectangles.

[Minxotic]

/rant(you've been warned)




Don't hold back now, tell 'em how you feel. I cosign this rant because these forums have become ALMOST TOTALLY unbearable. I don't think I've been privy to such *******ry in my entire life (and that's 30+ years mind you). I will be buying the RB2 (disc only) and GH:WT (bundle) because both are excellent games. These fanboys of RB or GH act like they get paid based on which game sells more...you don't. I wish people were as passionate about issues that REALLY matter like the war, the fact that the economy is in the toilet, gas prices...something...but to rant and rave all day about which game is better is entirely juvenile and ultimately pointless. I stay SMDH (shaking my damn head).

[SamStone]

It's like Chevy vs Ford. The fanboys line up on each side and throw rocks at each other. The rest of us buy the best vehicle for the job.

I will no doubt continue to favor Rock Band, but I want to see what GH:WT does with their guitar, because it's capable of being far more expressive than Harmonix' design. With the mute palm button and the touch slider, you could make some pretty good music with this thing.

I love the POD technology. You'll be able to go into freestyle mode, set the amp to be a Marshall Stack, some good old stomp box for effects, and sound fantastic. Hell, I may sit around at night listening to MP3's and playing along with the Guitar Hero Guitar, if they make it easy enough to switch keys and octaves. That's pretty much what I do with my acoustic guitar now.

I like the song creator a lot. I play around with MIDI sequencing now, so I realize the potential this has for people who like it. And for those who don't, at least they're going to get thousands of free DLC, and I'm sure some of it will be very good.

Both companies deserve accolades. They're the leaders in the fastest growing genre of gaming, by a mile. They've both shown themselves to be capable of turning out impressive new software on an extremely short development cycle. Both are clearly working very hard at engineering the peripherals.

Why would you hate either one of them?

[Dalren]

Why do you guys constantly bash Guitar Hero around here? I know this is a Rock Band forum but that doesn't mean you have to hate Guitar Hero.

[ASPSAX]

Why do you guys constantly bash Guitar Hero around here? I know this is a Rock Band forum but that doesn't mean you have to hate Guitar Hero.

This is the internet, if you don't hate something your opinion is invalid.

[Onslaught_fei]

This is the internet, if you don't hate something your opinion is invalid.

Seriously. I condone this message... AND HATE IT!

[Smoky_McAshtray]

Don't hold back now, tell 'em how you feel. I cosign this rant because these forums have become ALMOST TOTALLY unbearable. I don't think I've been privy to such *******ry in my entire life (and that's 30+ years mind you). I will be buying the RB2 (disc only) and GH:WT (bundle) because both are excellent games. These fanboys of RB or GH act like they get paid based on which game sells more...you don't. I wish people were as passionate about issues that REALLY matter like the war, the fact that the economy is in the toilet, gas prices...something...but to rant and rave all day about which game is better is entirely juvenile and ultimately pointless. I stay SMDH (shaking my damn head).

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I've been a member of this forum since the first day it went live. I'm not one to post 15 times a day (hence my low post count), but I used to always come here and browse the topics of the day. In the 6 or 7 months before RB1 released to the public, this forum was a great place. We all knew however that the site would be taken over once the game went public, and it was. Gradually the stupidity reached absurd levels until my visits got fewer and fewer until I barely came here at all. I've only recently been browsing the forum more and more and am surprised that the level of hatred and stupidity here has gotten even worse than when I left. It's kind of sad actually to know how awesome of a forum this was and how far it's fallen. :(

[Mex]

I haven't really noticed the forums getting any worse lately. But then again I'm pretty good at ignoring silly posts or trolls/fanboys.

GH:WT isn't an Epic Fail at all. It's got some really interesting innovations for sure. Having said that, the presentation itself was bad. I forget the guy's name but he might want to work on his public speaking.

Anyway, there is one major reason I'm leaning to RB2: All my DLC and some of the RB1 on disc songs will transfer over.

Secondary reason? I don't HAVE to by the new instruments.

[Zeleii]

I still don't know GH:WT's set... that will be the deciding factor...

[Mex]

I still don't know GH:WT's set... that will be the deciding factor...

Oh yeah..ha ha. Agreed.

[spoonytooth]

I think the funniest part of E3 was
"I'm here to talk about guitar heroooo!" pause for aplause (1 or 2 claps)

[RockBandRocker]

The Who > Travis Barker + Hayley Williams


Rock Band 2 = Greatest of the Music Games

[ZooCrew]

RB pwned SO BAD that i got a boner watching the clip :p:rolleyes:;):cool:

[RockBandRocker]

The thing you have to do is watch those clips and pay attention to the audience.

The audiences reactions have been priceless.

The laugh when that woman said "It's called Rock Band I think" was/is funny, but the audience KNOWS that the guy is just feeding them s**t and laughed because she burned him.

The silence at the MS keynote is a definitive moment. The guy was trying to get the audience to bite, but they weren't willing. The reaction to GH:WT vs. the reaction to RB2 is an indication of how SMART these people are. They KNOW what the better game is, and the fact that Alex got a reponse from close to everything he said is proof.

The silence at the Activision Press Conference is something in and of itself. NOBODY in the audience cared. When the host first brought up the GH:WT trailer, HE was the ONLY ONE clapping at it. The presentation itself was awkward and I really don't know how to comment on it. The most I can say is: Rock Band already did it. :)


I think that the audience reactions are very close to the consumer/gamer reactions. Rock Band 2 is BETTER and people KNOW it.

Rock Band won an E3 award last year. Rock Band 2 is probably going to win an award (or two) this year. :)

[jordan15b]

Define 'the best'.

the number one guitarist for score dual engrave32 who i play with uses a gh2 controller

[Drossvirex]

Yeah why do we have to bash Guitar Hero: World Tour? I don't see a reason.

If the set list is good, I see it as more songs to play. The games are way too similar in GAMEPLAY to be bashing them. Buy them both and enjoy them. Quit starting stupid pointless battles here, when you could be playing these games.

[Dalren]

The thing you have to do is watch those clips and pay attention to the audience.

The audiences reactions have been priceless.

The laugh when that woman said "It's called Rock Band I think" was/is funny, but the audience KNOWS that the guy is just feeding them s**t and laughed because she burned him.

The silence at the MS keynote is a definitive moment. The guy was trying to get the audience to bite, but they weren't willing. The reaction to GH:WT vs. the reaction to RB2 is an indication of how SMART these people are. They KNOW what the better game is, and the fact that Alex got a reponse from close to everything he said is proof.

The silence at the Activision Press Conference is something in and of itself. NOBODY in the audience cared. When the host first brought up the GH:WT trailer, HE was the ONLY ONE clapping at it. The presentation itself was awkward and I really don't know how to comment on it. The most I can say is: Rock Band already did it. :)


I think that the audience reactions are very close to the consumer/gamer reactions. Rock Band 2 is BETTER and people KNOW it.

Rock Band won an E3 award last year. Rock Band 2 is probably going to win an award (or two) this year. :)
You see, it's blatant fanboy posts like this that get on any sane person's nerves.

Jesus christ it gets old.

[RockBandRocker]

You see, it's blatant fanboy posts like this that get on any sane person's nerves.

Jesus christ it gets old.

^ I wasn't being a fanboy.

I was pointing out to people that if you watch any of the vids regarding GH:WT, the people that they are presenting to seem disinterested in it because they have already seen it in the form of Rock Band.

Rock Band has had a year advantage, and in that year has lived up to what they said at last year's E3.


I'm not bashing GH:WT. From MY experience, the GH series has gone down the drain, and I think that people are starting to feel the same way. :)

When it comes down to it, the consumers are the only ones who know what they want.

[Fausttt]

yeah rewatch the press conferences, the RB one got plenty of response. whereas the GHWT one not only got nothing but silence, but the host actually TRIED to get them to clap at the beginning and ASKED for a standing ovation at the end. lol it was pretty hilarious.

[Melfice]

Guitar Hero totally pwned Rock Band 2 in any way possibly by not stating that Rock Band 2 will have a US exclusive launch.

Also, Rock Band has not had a year advantage in the Netherlands.
We'll just be getting it next week.
I've got my heart set on Guitar Hero, because I know Guitar Hero is a fun game. I've never had any experience with Rock Band.

Pfeh. Rock Band? What's that?

[RockBandRocker]

yeah rewatch the press conferences, the RB one got plenty of response. whereas the GHWT one not only got nothing but silence, but the host actually TRIED to get them to clap at the beginning and ASKED for a standing ovation at the end. lol it was pretty hilarious.

^ This is the thing I wanted to point out with my wall o' text post.

At the MS keynote, GH:WT got NO LOVE at all, and even at Activision's OWN press conference, it still got NO LOVE.

There are awkward silences all throughout that piece, and if you watch the end, the front row are the only people who stand up. :)


If you compare the RESPONSES to these games, it is a huge difference.

[Quinarvy]

You got my hopes up when you mentioned G&R...I was hoping for something from their only good album, Appetite for Destruction, but instead you said they were providing a new song....bzzzzzzzz...wrong answer.


...Use Your Illusion I & II are amazing albums...

[RockBandRocker]

Guitar Hero totally pwned Rock Band 2 in any way possibly by not stating that Rock Band 2 will have a US exclusive launch.

Also, Rock Band has not had a year advantage in the Netherlands.
We'll just be getting it next week.
I've got my heart set on Guitar Hero, because I know Guitar Hero is a fun game. I've never had any experience with Rock Band.

Pfeh. Rock Band? What's that?

^ Rock Band 2 is supposed to come out in Europe for the 360 at the same time it does for the 360 here.

I think it does suck though that you in the Netherlands have had to wait so long. Maybe the game ratings board for your country (and others) waited so long to rate the game?

Once you play Rock Band, you might feel different about GH. You might not. It's your call.

Although, I think that you (and others in the same boat as you) will have Rock Band overload. Rock Band 1, now. You realize that's well over 200 songs. The DLC catch-up is going to be fun, but it might be hell.

I hope you DO enjoy the game.

[Xisuthros]

I also live in The Netherlands and had the game since the UK launch and love it. I ordered the BiaB yesterday and its sure worth it :)

[Rokkstar]

Guitar Hero 3 and past the such can just die lol

[RockBandRocker]

Guitar Hero 3 and past the such can just die lol

^ I think GH should just retire into obscurity for a couple of years.

Than, BAM!, reunion show in Las Vegas where it only plays the songs from the good ol' days. :D

[Ryder35]

^ Rock Band 2 is supposed to come out in Europe for the 360 at the same time it does for the 360 here.

I think it does suck though that you in the Netherlands have had to wait so long. Maybe the game ratings board for your country (and others) waited so long to rate the game?

Once you play Rock Band, you might feel different about GH. You might not. It's your call.

Although, I think that you (and others in the same boat as you) will have Rock Band overload. Rock Band 1, now. You realize that's well over 200 songs. The DLC catch-up is going to be fun, but it might be hell.

I hope you DO enjoy the game.

No it is not "supposed" to come out at the same time, no UK or EU release information has been given, just like last time.

[Constrict0r]

Just watched the GHWT demo.

Wow.

ZERO innovation or change from GH3. Round notes suck.

And I can't believe they left the horrible 'miss' sound effects for when you miss notes in the game. The demo sounded like crapola because of all the missed notes. Now instead of hearing missed notes from one player, you hear them from three at a time. Unless your whole band is doing 99%'s your song will sound horrible.

Bad game. Bad.

And I started out with GH franchise, just RB does the whole thing so much better it hurts.

Wow.

[RockBandRocker]

No it is not "supposed" to come out at the same time, no UK or EU release information has been given, just like last time.

I heard that it is going to be coming out at the same time there as it does here, when they made the initial announcement.


I guess I heard wrong. :)

[HellishFiend]

And I can't believe they left the horrible 'miss' sound effects for when you miss notes in the game. The demo sounded like crapola because of all the missed notes. Now instead of hearing missed notes from one player, you hear them from three at a time. Unless your whole band is doing 99%'s your song will sound horrible.


I agree with this completely. I heard more miss sounds than I heard of the actual song.

[Desensitized]

It's kind of sad actually to know how awesome of a forum this was and how far it's fallen. :(This isn't even close to the low points. At least people are hating on something else instead of each other.

I once had IbanezBassist2.0 or whatever personally insult me simply because of my opinion on selling games to kids with bad grades. That guy was a toolbag.

I personally have nothing against GT:WT, but at the same time there's real not much they have that RB2 doesn't. That's my problem.

Might get the disc down the road, though.

[Ryder35]

I heard that it is going to be coming out at the same time there as it does here, when they made the initial announcement.


I guess I heard wrong. :)

The fact of simultanious release was mis reported by some website, just to get our hopes up. It was later retracted.

[HMXDungHeaver]

You should see the guy who hawked it at MS's showcase. Awkward silences for the laugh :):D:p


He doesn't get the enthusiasm he expected at 0:29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJm9ck8edU


Here's RB2 for those who didn't see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsfqFARAuc

[Ryder35]

wow, hadn't seen that, talk about luke warm. Does not mean that the game will be bad though

[poopbullet]

...Use Your Illusion I & II are amazing albums...

yes! i was thinking that as well when I read that post

[Starfleet_Rambo]

Harmonix loves me and I luv them. *hugs*

[brobot]

You know I must not have heard when the GH guy said it the first time, but he called the created music library GH tunes. Now i wonder if this is what they mean when they say that GH will rival Itunes.

If it is man they sure know how to mislead people.

[RockBandRocker]

Harmonix loves me and I luv them. *hugs*

Harmonix loves me. They love me a bunch. That's why they put Skippy in my lunch. :):D

[RockBandRocker]

You know I must not have heard when the GH guy said it the first time, but he called the created music library GH tunes. Now i wonder if this is what they mean when they say that GH will rival Itunes.

If it is man they sure know how to mislead people.

^ I think it is. Now all the GH players are going to complain when they don't have the uber DLC amount they were lead to believe would come.


My response to it is. If you want a DLC guarantee, play Rock Band. :)

[DethBoxx]

LOL @ that RO guy thinking he invented guitar heroz. We all know it was Harmonix, guy.
It took a lot more than saying 'hey let's make a game that uses a guitar with plastic buttons'.

[Ryder35]

LOL @ that RO guy thinking he invented guitar heroz. We all know it was Harmonix, guy.
It took a lot more than saying 'hey let's make a game that uses a guitar with plastic buttons'.

Was it? I really don't know the story myself, just that RO and HMX collaborated on the first GH

[Spandrel]

There is just something that seems a tad "corporate" about the GH series now and that address from Kai Huang seems to personify it. Rock Band and Harmonix still seems to born from the guys who love music and love doing these kinds of games. The Activision-GH alliance just seems more like a contrived cash-grab. I mean they are going to put out a good game in GH:WT, and I will buy it, but they are not going to elicit much passion from me about it. The guys at HMX love music and love what they do, and they don't need to trump up phony hype by pandering to the crowd (make announcement, pause for crowd reaction, continue).

No offense to Kai from Activision, but it felt like my car insurance guy trying vainly to feign some excitement for the new policy I'm about to sign. Let this be a lesson to all you young grasshoppahs: You can't fake passion and interest in the name of market share.

[ozhavok]

You're spouting off about Activision being a souless corporation just in it for the money...guess you didn't catch the M$ and HMX timed-exclusive deal for Xbox.

[RockBandRocker]

You're spouting off about Activision being a souless corporation just in it for the money...guess you didn't catch the M$ and HMX timed-exclusive deal for Xbox.

^ That's because MS is putting money into Rock Band.

They advertise on XBOX Live, run special promotions, etc.

Harmonix is putting this out first where it will get the most exposure (sorry PS3ers).

More people play RB on the 360. :)

[54x]

You're spouting off about Activision being a souless corporation just in it for the money...guess you didn't catch the M$ and HMX timed-exclusive deal for Xbox.

Honestly, if it were their goal to make money, exclusives would be a poor way to do it- you make far more money by releasing on as many systems as possible as quickly as possible.

The reason the 360 is getting an exclusive is because Microsoft helped out a lot with the development, letting them add features that otherwise wouldn't have made it, and so they concentrated on getting it out for the 360 first in exchange. To me, that speaks more about how interested they are in putting out the best possible product than a desire for money.

[Ryder35]

Honestly, if it were their goal to make money, exclusives would be a poor way to do it- you make far more money by releasing on as many systems as possible as quickly as possible.

The reason the 360 is getting an exclusive is because Microsoft helped out a lot with the development, letting them add features that otherwise wouldn't have made it, and so they concentrated on getting it out for the 360 first in exchange. To me, that speaks more about how interested they are in putting out the best possible product than a desire for money.

Is that really what you think happened? My guess is Microsoft paid them money simple as that

[zerofan]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rmjq-IWPnK4

More ownage at 20 seconds...

That was soooooo f'n bad!!! Bad as in Bad not as in Good! They picked those stiffs to play a song? The singer was horrible! I just wasted 3 minutes watching that car-wreck!

[gamrrpol]

I laughed through all of GH:WT, I mean... none of the announcements excited me. REM 3-pack? HOLY SH*T! THAT'S really lame. And unneccesary to announce. Poor Activision stands no chance.

I love all this quotes and pronouncements of Activision's demise. I love RB and think HMX is outstanding, but a few facts:

Activision is the most profitable game publisher in the industry (profits, not revenues)
GH grossed over $1B in 2007 and is set to do better in 2008

This week's sales charts show a GH franchise at the top of the XBOX 360, PS3 and DS charts and in second on the Wii.

The GH brand is the most lucrative in the industry, with more revenues than any other.

Bottom line...those of you who think Activision "stands no chance" are naive.

[Oz1215]

i know this is somewhat off-topic, but where can i find company conferences like EA and activision's from e3?

[Ryder35]

I love all this quotes and pronouncements of Activision's demise. I love RB and think HMX is outstanding, but a few facts:

Activision is the most profitable game publisher in the industry (profits, not revenues)
GH grossed over $1B in 2007 and is set to do better in 2008

This week's sales charts show a GH franchise at the top of the XBOX 360, PS3 and DS charts and in second on the Wii.

The GH brand is the most lucrative in the industry, with more revenues than any other.

Bottom line...those of you who think Activision "stands no chance" are naive.


Oh and whether you like them or not REM are one of the biggest bands in the world at the moment with a career spanning 3 decades.

[RockBandRocker]

Oh and whether you like them or not REM are one of the biggest bands in the world at the moment with a career spanning 3 decades.

^ But The Who are a bigger band with a career spanning 4 decades. :)

[nicko68]

I think the funniest part of E3 was
"I'm here to talk about guitar heroooo!" pause for aplause (1 or 2 claps)

Yeah I felt bad for him at that point.

Also a few people stood on their own after the Neversoft band played, they should have left it at that. Asking people to stand was lame.

I did notice, though, that the crowd reacted favourably to the music creator stuff.

[nicko68]

ZERO innovation or change from GH3. Round notes suck.

Because GH3 had music creator, slider parts, and drums/vocals.

I prefer the round notes. I actually like the visual style of GH, I honestly find RB *too* clean and sterile.

[nicko68]

I agree with this completely. I heard more miss sounds than I heard of the actual song.

They should have gotten people who could actually play the songs properly, or played on an easier level. :)

[gamrrpol]

There is just something that seems a tad "corporate" about the GH series now and that address from Kai Huang seems to personify it. Rock Band and Harmonix still seems to born from the guys who love music and love doing these kinds of games. The Activision-GH alliance just seems more like a contrived cash-grab. I mean they are going to put out a good game in GH:WT, and I will buy it, but they are not going to elicit much passion from me about it. The guys at HMX love music and love what they do, and they don't need to trump up phony hype by pandering to the crowd (make announcement, pause for crowd reaction, continue).

No offense to Kai from Activision, but it felt like my car insurance guy trying vainly to feign some excitement for the new policy I'm about to sign. Let this be a lesson to all you young grasshoppahs: You can't fake passion and interest in the name of market share.

I agree with this completely. Yes, HMX is out to make money and they want RB to rule the world. But they also have a passion for what they are doing, whereas with Activision the passion is lacking. Anything done with passion will be better than the same thing down without passion. Simple as that. And, in the long run, will probably be why HMX wins the hearts of rhythm game players.

[Fausttt]

and seriously whats with all the microsoft hate? so what they make a ton of money so do alot of major companies. What is so evil about them? they made a product everyone wanted and got so entrenched in the industry others had a hard time breaking in? while i dont agree with some of their tactics, they are hardly the most deceptive or greedy out there (oil, enron, many many others). and frankly when most companies make a ton of cash their ceo's rejoice (this includes apple and sony) and rush off to their vacation homes to laugh at all the people making them rich.

Gates donates a large percentage of his money. and what he doesnt donate he uses to make his own foundations for helping others in the world. up until warren buffet announced he was donating something like 84% of his total worth (to the Gates btw) Gates was (and has been for years) the first place when it comes to how much people donate. Usually he donates more than number 2-5 put together. how many other companies do that? anyway off topic rant over :(

[Hokonoso]

that video is the #1 reason why i wont get GH:WT, when someone misses a note it sounds like complete and utter garbage, so when you go online and play with 3 random nobodies who really suck and life and video games, it will sound a lot like this, i'd sooner listen to my cd than suffer through this over and over again.

[Ryder35]

^ But The Who are a bigger band with a career spanning 4 decades. :)

I'll give you that one ;)

[Drak]

Phil Manutz

All i can say is this.

YOU ARE THE MAN !!!!!!!!!!

I have never cared for GH, But love the songs they include with the game.

And after your post in this thread I found no reason to even read any more. Cause you hit that final note to give that one song it took you forever to 100% and get them 5 gold stars !!

/bows to the man

[nicko68]

HMX is out to make money and they want RB to rule the world. But they also have a passion for what they are doing, whereas with Activision the passion is lacking.

Actually I find it very interesting that everywhere, on the RB side we talk about HMX, the main developer. On the GH side, we talk about Activision, the distributor (?). I wonder why that is.

[Oz1215]

Actually I find it very interesting that everywhere, on the RB side we talk about HMX, the main developer. On the GH side, we talk about Activision, the distributor (?). I wonder why that is.

because neversoft is known for making skating games maybe?

[toad3000]

Announced that GH3 DLC works with GH:WT, so yeah youd only need to buy it once.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Link?

[toad3000]

LOL @ that RO guy thinking he invented guitar heroz. We all know it was Harmonix, guy.
It took a lot more than saying 'hey let's make a game that uses a guitar with plastic buttons'.
Kai Huang has been saying this for quite some time, actually. The general story is that Red Octane came up with the idea for a guitar-based rhythm game (aside from Guitar Freaks, of course), and partnered with Harmonix (already doing rhythm games in Frequency and Amplitude) to get it done, with the understanding that one company would do the peripherals, the other would do the programming.

[iamnobody]

nicko68 here you go i thought you may be lost. http://community.guitarhero.com/forums/

[zerofan]

I agree with this completely. Yes, HMX is out to make money and they want RB to rule the world. But they also have a passion for what they are doing, whereas with Activision the passion is lacking. Anything done with passion will be better than the same thing down without passion. Simple as that. And, in the long run, will probably be why HMX wins the hearts of rhythm game players.

Can I just say "ditto"

[Spandrel]

Yeah, I'm not out to disparage GH or its franchise. I am going to pick up GH:WT on day 1, but there is just something more genuine about what HMX does. Yeah, they want to make money, but I just get a passion for music with them that I don't get from Activision/Neversoft. It doesn't mean that GH:WT will suck or that I won't get it, but I just align more with the guys from HMX.

I don't like the battle for exclusivity at all, though. In fact, I kinda' hate it, but in an effort to distinguish their products, that is probably collateral damage.

[Melfice]

I agree with this completely. Yes, HMX is out to make money and they want RB to rule the world. But they also have a passion for what they are doing, whereas with Activision the passion is lacking. Anything done with passion will be better than the same thing down without passion. Simple as that. And, in the long run, will probably be why HMX wins the hearts of rhythm game players.

Except for those people who are shunned by EA and Harmonix and will not see this game.
For those people, Activision does it all right and will have won the hearts of them.

[brobot]

You either own a wii or live in some country that hasn't got the first one yet. Everything else they rock on.

[Gatorguy91]

Did any of you bashing GHWT actually watch the stream last night, or are you just commenting on this months-old youtube video? Hot For Teacher looked pretty fun, at least on guitar and vocals. The drums looked a little awkward and poorly charted, at least in the beginning.

I'll have to see more gameplay with the drums before I can justify buying the whole bundle. I may just buy the game, since my guitars and mics will work with it (it uses a Logitech mic).

The slide bar on the new GHWT guitar looks almost like it's cheating. You can do really, really fast sections just by sliding back and forth on it (no strumming, no buttons to press), which really seems cheap. It's almost like Activision is forcing you to buy their new crap guitar to compete on the leaderboards, since any jerkwad off the street will be able to pull off the craziest of solos with ease with that thing. Unfortunately, this will probably be a big selling point for a lot of people.

The create-a-song feature looks cool, but very complicated. It will take FOREVER to create anything decent, although I'm sure many people will nerd up and create some good things.

Lots of people will buy this thing, guys. The graphics look awful, but it's the setlists that sell these things. Van Halen, The Doors, The Eagles... those are big names, and I'm sure there will be other ones to join them. I just wish we'd gotten more of them last night. Their presentation was painful to watch at times, and I really wanted more setlist hints.


Why does everybody assume the Doors is in this game.. that has NEVER been confirmed and even though they are awesome...

they just don't belong in a video game, imo. Not like the Eagles and Van Halen.

[Melfice]

You either own a wii or live in some country that hasn't got the first one yet. Everything else they rock on.

That's the point right there.
Until they can deliver to every country, like some developers/publishers, they'll always be pwned, to stay in line with the topic's title.

It doesn't matter what figures you bring forward, as long as a game is not available everywhere (or at least where there are people interested) you have failed. I want to play Rock Band.
I want to play Rock Band 2.

Rock Band is just about to be released. I say "What the ****?" That game is old news. Why is is being released more than half a year after the US release. 3 or so months after the debacle that was the "European release".
It should have been released at the same time as the other European countries. It should not have taken as long between the US release.

And now this again. North America is granted a new Rock Band game. It's even been announced to be a NA exclusive for crying out loud!
Any news on Europe and other areas?

"Uh... Europe? No, sorry. Maybe soon* we can tell you something about that."

I can tell you why it's exclusive**. Europe's sales sucked. That's why.
Why did the EU sales suck? Because there was no game. Sure, three countries. Three countries against all of Europe makes for lousy sales.

And I'm going completely off-topic, but it's still related.

*: Soon. Oh, yes. Soon. Soon means 2 weeks. Sorry, did I say 2 weeks? I meant 5 weeks. Ahahaha, my bad. 4 months! We're so sorry, 6 months! Promise!
**: This is speculation on my end, but I would not be surprised if it were true with the pricepoint Rock Band had. And I'm sure Rock Band 2 will have. IF we get it at all.

[nicko68]

nicko68 here you go i thought you may be lost. http://community.guitarhero.com/forums/

I actually own and like both games though. I just happen to prefer GH since they do a better job on the Wii than HMX currently does.

[DethBoxx]

Kai Huang has been saying this for quite some time, actually. The general story is that Red Octane came up with the idea for a guitar-based rhythm game (aside from Guitar Freaks, of course), and partnered with Harmonix (already doing rhythm games in Frequency and Amplitude) to get it done, with the understanding that one company would do the peripherals, the other would do the programming.

Yeah, exactly. RO wanted to sell guitar peripherals and needed a game. The idea was not unique, Guitar Freaks had already been done, as you say.

Harmonix are the ones who made it into an actual game that revolutionized the industry. For Kai Huang to try to take credit for that is disingenuous at best.

[DeadManDrumming]

Disagree watching the showing other then the setlist they didn't mention a lot that would persuade people on the fence to choose Rock Band.

They NEED to stress what their drums and software can do. Import and freestyle with cymbals anyone?