Dream Theater?

[MCforGuerrillaRadio]

I've loved this band ever since my friend, a fanatic, introduced me to them. They have an amazing drummer, guitarist, bassist, and probably the best keyboardist there is. If you haven't heard any of there stuff, you probably haven't, go listen to either Octavarium, 26 minutes of orgasmic ear sezz, or Glass Prison.

Then, Tell me what you think!

[Kutsic]

I like them ok. There's no arguing all of them are damn talented. After awhile tho, I get sick of hearing a 30 minute song that follows the same structure pretty much the whole time.

So yea, they're good, I just have to be in the mood to listen to them.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Metropolis pt 2 is one the gems of my pseudo-collection. (I call it that cuz I dont have that many albums to say I have a collection)

Its not like Blind Guardian, which Im always in the mood for, but whenever I want something different, very technical and with huge killer solos, I put the album in.

[MundaneSoul]

Dream Theater rocks. Love those guys.

[newwaytodie]

"A Change of Seasons" would be hilarious in Rock Band.

[Sleepy211]

Dream Theater - " Pull Me Under " How awsome is this song ......?
i was introduced to Dream Theater when i was over seas on Deployment in the Navy in Iraq , my buddy plays the electric guitar and often practiced in our Berthing , anyways to make a long story short he could play every damn note that these guys did on there cd's , i was amazed how fast these guys play , and he could match them note for note . This would be alot of fun to play on RB or GH .

IF YOU LIKE TO CHECK OUT MY BUDDIES GUITAR SKILLS .

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[LavatoryLoveMachine]

That was awesome!

[progROCKER]

DREAM THEATAAAAHHHHHH!!!

(yah they basically are my favorite band, well top 2 at least)

[sonicbrew]

Petrucci and the boys have been a long time favorite of mine since their early days. They are not only technical wizards; they have feel, passion, and soul as well. "Awake" is probably my favorite CD.

[MastodonRocks]

Strange Deja Vu is my favorite song by them and the whole Scenes From A Memory is awesome and one of the best concept albums ever in terms of actually telling a story, I think. Strange Deja Vu as DLC would be sweet and the drums would be insane.

[herojoe]

Panic Attack kicks ass!!

[Name_No_One_Man]

I like me some Dream Theater also. Been a fan since Images and Words myself but they do suffer from a bit of a mechanical approach to the way they write their music as stated above at times. But I would rather listen to some overly orchestrated and technical DT than what alot of people out there are calling popular in the metal/ rock world right now.

[SadistcMagician]

Dream Theater is unbelievable. Can't say anything else. They're that good.

[jonnyp1077]

I've been a big DT fan for a long time. Make sure to check out Derek Sherinians solo project, Blood of the Snake or something like that. Pretty awesome!

My only knock on DT is their slow ballad type songs. I just can't listen to that anymore. I'm not saying all their great songs have to be fast, but those 2 songs on Images and Words, I forget the names, I have to skip over every time.

Train of Thought and Metropolis pt 2 are amazing albums.

[silentxlucidity]

DT is my second favorite band ever! Second only to Queensryche.

Mike Portnoy, I think, is one of the most talented drummers of all time and has a passion for music that's out of this world.

My friend Nick and I catch DT live every chance we get; as this band is what made us the friends we are today. We make it a ritual to take our motorcycles to each concert that hits our area. Open road, breeze in the face, heading to DT on a motorcycle is nothing less than heaven on earth!

Also....I've literally played a DT track or entire CD every day since Awake!

Rock On DT fans!!! Lets get DT on Rock Band!!!!

Rick

[TheJCBand]

I'm actually surprised to see no hate from idiots jealous of their talent. Dream Theater is the second greatest band the world has ever seen. (First in Pink Floyd)

[davidshek]

Step 1: Add a double-kick pedal to RB
Step 2: Put up some DT as DLC for RB
Step 3: Profit!

Seriously, there would be no possible way to play any of Portony's drum lines with only one kick. I play drums in a hard rock band and we do a pretty kickass cover of Pull Me Under, but I wouldn't even think about trying it with a single kick...

[gryphoncub]

"A Change of Seasons" would be hilarious in Rock Band.

That would so kick ass. Thats my favorite DT!!

[Wangsandsuch]

DT is obnoxious surf guitar bull****.

[TheBEAST205]

Joe Petrucci is no doubt a great guitarist, they are a very talented band indeed. The only thing I don't like about them is they don't seem to be very creative and their lead singer acts like he's singing for an opera.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

two of DT's members are mindless ****ty shredders, one of em is a well-oiled machine who has no soul (portney), one of em is yeah a good bassist but apparently overrated, and the worst of them is possibly the ****tiest singer in rock history.

yeah DT is pretty talented alright :rolleyes:

sssshhhhhitt band

[davidshek]

Joe Petrucci is no doubt a great guitarist, they are a very talented band indeed. The only thing I don't like about them is they don't seem to be very creative and their lead singer acts like he's singing for an opera.

How can you possibly say that Dream Theater is not very creative? They're one of the most creative bands I've ever heard!

[TheBEAST205]

How can you possibly say that Dream Theater is not very creative? They're one of the most creative bands I've ever heard!

Meh, listen to more prog/trip-hop.

[Setsu]

two of DT's members are mindless ****ty shredders, one of em is a well-oiled machine who has no soul (portney), one of em is yeah a good bassist but apparently overrated, and the worst of them is possibly the ****tiest singer in rock history.

yeah DT is pretty talented alright :rolleyes:

sssshhhhhitt band

I would love to see you play as well as they do. You my friend are ignorant.

[davidshek]

Meh, listen to more prog/trip-hop.

I listen to plenty of prog rock and metal, and no thanks on the trip-hop. I have better things to do with my time and ears.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

I listen to plenty of prog rock and metal, and no thanks on the trip-hop. I have better things to do with my time and ears.

i doubt it if you think DT is the pinnacle of prog/creativity


I would love to see you play as well as they do. You my friend are ignorant.

DT fans are amongst the most ignorant and thick headed fans on earth. difficulty =/= talent. sure i wont' be able to play half of the mindless shredding that petrucci does, but as a fan/critic of music i do have the right to say that petrucci's ****ty shredding, is well ****ty.

[Wangsandsuch]

Petrucci plays something called surf guitar. Its annoying, repetitive, obnoxious and ****ty beef.

[GlassPrisoner]

DT fans are amongst the most ignorant and thick headed fans on earth. difficulty =/= talent. sure i wont' be able to play half of the mindless shredding that petrucci does, but as a fan/critic of music i do have the right to say that petrucci's ****ty shredding, is well ****ty.

DT haters are amongst the most ignorant and thick-headed haters on earth. How can you say that to do something difficult does not require talent?

[battle_axe_of_doom]

its kinda obvious really

in the case of shredders/wankers which is the case with DT it is difficult for others who aren't shredders to play it. i'm sure david gilmour wouldn't be able to play half of the wankery **** that yngwie or petrucci play but its common sense that gilmour can play circles around petrucci's dumb ass.

[Oxyplox]

its kinda obvious really

in the case of shredders/wankers which is the case with DT it is difficult for others who aren't shredders to play it. i'm sure david gilmour wouldn't be able to play half of the wankery **** that yngwie or petrucci play but its common sense that gilmour can play circles around petrucci's dumb ass.

You definitely sure sound like you know what you're talking about.
Just wondering, what instruments do you play, and do you have any videos of you playing them?

No offense or anything, you just seem like an amazing musician and I'd like to hear some of your stuff.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

^ probably the worst argument i've ever heard since i just explained that difficulty =/= talent

and you don't have to be a musician to criticize the works of others. i'm sure about 90&#37; of rolling stone or whatever ****ty critic magazines don't even know how to hold an instrument yet they still criticize those that they listen to. i'm sure roger ebert doesn't know how to direct a ****ing movie yet he's one of the most repected movie critics out there. your logic is faulty and i suggest you get your head out of labrie's ass and just stfu

[Wangsandsuch]

DT sucks for the same reason Yngwie Malmsteen isn't on any greatest guitarist list there is.

[RideTheLightning]

Glass Prison Would be perfect for the game.

[Setsu]

I do agree on the fact that Yngwie Malmsteen is a joke. Petrucci is a different story in my eyes, you focus too much on the solos and not enough on everything else. (Even though I enjoy his solos.) So go ahead and tell me about some awesome guitarists who i've never heard of or that you like because your dad liked them so I can explain why I absolutely hate them. What is it exactly that you don't like about Petrucci's shredding? All you've said so far is that it's "shi**y", where is the detailed explanation as to why you hate it so much?

[Wangsandsuch]

Its all exactly the same, it sounds ridiculous and its mindless.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

I do agree on the fact that Yngwie Malmsteen is a joke. Petrucci is a different story in my eyes, you focus too much on the solos and not enough on everything else. (Even though I enjoy his solos.) So go ahead and tell me about some awesome guitarists who i've never heard of or that you like because your dad liked them so I can explain why I absolutely hate them. What is it exactly that you don't like about Petrucci's shredding? All you've said so far is that it's "shi**y", where is the detailed explanation as to why you hate it so much?

lol good god don't think for one second that you actually know me (rofl @ me having to say that). my dad doesn't even listen to half of the **** i listen to you dunce

and what wang said. i can probably set one petrucci solo next to another one of his and its the exact same wankery gibberish.

as for my preferences in guitarists i'm pretty sure i've posted in the best guitarist thread but i'm not sure. in short : zappa

[Setsu]

I'm pretty sure you can't exactly call it mindless whether you enjoy it or not because he has to remember each solo and its specific notes or patterns. Mindless would be me trying to play something on the guitar. Don't start that ridiculous "you don't know me" rant, I never said I did know you, it's damn close to hypothetical.

[Setsu]

lol good god don't think for one second that you actually know me (rofl @ me having to say that). my dad doesn't even listen to half of the **** i listen to you dunce

and what wang said. i can probably set one petrucci solo next to another one of his and its the exact same wankery gibberish.

as for my preferences in guitarists i'm pretty sure i've posted in the best guitarist thread but i'm not sure. in short : zappa

You're a poopy yucky pee pee head and anything you like is stinky and never real gud. Anything I listen to is made of gold and can't be touched. I'm better than you are. The End.

^
Your argument...

[Wangsandsuch]

I'm pretty sure you can't exactly call it mindless whether you enjoy it or not because he has to remember each solo and its specific notes or patterns. Mindless would be me trying to play something on the guitar. Don't start that ridiculous "you don't know me" rant, I never said I did know you, it's damn close to hypothetical.

You'd be surprised how many solos he can probably play without thinking about it, in fact, I watched an interview with Yngwie where he just played something completely random and it sounded like every solo he's ever played.

[Setsu]

You'd be surprised how many solos he can probably play without thinking about it, in fact, I watched an interview with Yngwie where he just played something completely random and it sounded like every solo he's ever played.

The issue is he isn't Yngwie. Listen to the solo from "The Spirit Carries On" and then listen to the solo from "The Dark Eternal Night". How do they match up?

[Wangsandsuch]

All they are is an exercise in moving up and down scales and sweeping. That's all guitar shredding is.

[Setsu]

It isn't solely shredding, it's a solo. Your ears obviously haven't evolved to the point of being able to comprehend what's going on and so you're ultimately so confused that you dismiss it as being something bad because you're afraid of what you don't understand.

[ProgNegative]

While you can make Petrucci's shredding sound simplistic and boring and lump him in with all the other shredders out there, most DT fans are musicians themselves to some degree and know this isn't the case. You call it mindless, but I find it hard to believe that writing solos over all the unorthodox chord progressions and time signatures that DT uses is mindless, besides the fact that most of Petrucci's use of runs up and down scales and sweeps are used as passing notes rather than comprising the entire solo itself, and while there are cases when they happen to be the entire solo, that doesn't speak for the majority of his work, there are a bunch of very melodic guitar solos in his work if you listen to the right songs. Sure you could be like most guitarists and just use the old pentatonic scale trick because it's easy to make sound good and you didn't learn enough music theory to be able to play over much more than major and minor chords, but that's not what DT fans want. I would compare this to the common misconception that walking bass lines are nothing but plunking up and down scales, but any good bass player will tell you they aren't.

As far as Portnoy goes, he may seem robotic in his precision, but I believe his playing not only drives the music, but also complements the music in a way most drummers don't understand, anyone can keep a beat going, throw in some cool drum fills and cymbal crashes, but it takes talent to be able to add substance to a melody when all you have are some rawhide stretched over wooden cyllinders to bang on.

The fact is most DT fans want to hear something that makes them say "I don't think I'll ever be able to play like that" and DT delivers. Now you can pick apart this post all you want, I don't expect you to change your opinion, this is just my perception of the band and the reason I'm a fan.

[I <3 Surf Guitar]

two of DT's members are mindless ****ty shredders, one of em is a well-oiled machine who has no soul (portney), one of em is yeah a good bassist but apparently overrated, and the worst of them is possibly the ****tiest singer in rock history.

yeah DT is pretty talented alright :rolleyes:

sssshhhhhitt band

Sorry, but I just had to interject.

-For one, Jordan Rudess (the keyboardist whom you have described as a "mindless ****ty shredder," is classically trained. Apparently you've never even listened to Liquid Tension Experiment, or 4NYC. Both are pretty good examples of why you're completely wrong.

-Now you are right about one thing - difficulty of play doesn't make a solo good. Hell, if that were the case, then Dragonforce would be the greatest band in the world (and we all know they AREN'T.) But you have to understand that playing complex and intricate solos comes with being a Virtuoso in one's own instrument of choice. And what does Virtuosity take? TALENT. Petrucci is TALENTED and is a VIRTUOSO in guitar technicality.

There's a reason he's been invited to play with Joe Satriani and Steve Vai on the G3 tour SIX TIMES. The guy knows how to play guitar and play it well. And I know what you'll say - "Oh, but Yngwie's played on G3 too, and he's terrible!" Well, Yngwie's only play on G3 once. So, you're a moron.

-Now, as for ripping on Portnoy, I don't even know how that's possible. If you rip on Portnoy, you rip on Neil Peart. There's nothing much more to it. Peart is probably Portnoy's biggest influence. You mean to tell me that Neil ****ing Peart has no soul? Are you just mad because Portnoy's Jewish? You antisemitic types make me sick.

-LOL @ calling Myung overrated. He's got to be one of the most underrated bassists I've ever seen. The guy's always in the backround, and he never gets any of the praise like Portnoy or Petrucci do. And he's still damn good. He may not be the greatest bassist in the world, but he's damn good regardless.

-Labrie is the enigma of the band. You either love him, or hate him. But to call him the "worst singer in rock history" is unfair. Sure, his voice is naturally more high-pitched, but he's got good range, and he can hit those F#'s with the best of them. Are there more talented vocalists out there? Of course. But he's not terrible. Terrible would be Bono. And no one's worse than Bono. No one.


So, in short, stop accusing everyone of being a biased jackass when you should be looking in a mirror. DT is a talented band that you just so happen to not have a taste for. Get the **** over it.

By the way, I give your troll rating a 10/10 because I made a profile just to reply to this. You sir, are the pinnacle of troll-dome and I hope to one day be as good as you at inciting arguments among music fans.

[Wangsandsuch]

It isn't solely shredding, it's a solo. Your ears obviously haven't evolved to the point of being able to comprehend what's going on and so you're ultimately so confused that you dismiss it as being something bad because you're afraid of what you don't understand.

Alright, go ahead and try to insult me you elitist *****, I know exactly what's going on in his songs, and they are nothing but a ****ing solo. I'm sure I know as much about playing the guitar as anyone else and I know what his music is.

[ProgNegative]

I know exactly what's going on in his songs, and they are nothing but a ****ing solo.

If you're talking about his solo project or maybe Liquid Tension Experiment then you're right, it's pretty much just soloing, but if you mean his playing in DT then I have to wonder what your definition of a solo is.

[Wangsandsuch]

How often does he sweep in any of his songs? Way too often. His songs are about as deep as a puddle.

[Julio_No_Mas]

Dream Theater rocks. :cool:

[ProgNegative]

You're gonna argue that he uses a certain picking technique too often? That's like saying Van Halen finger taps too much or metal guitarists palm mute too much. Sure he's known for using the technique, but I never noticed it being overused. Now Malmsteen on the other hand does sweep too much, that guy just gets annoying, especially when he tries to improvise something.

[Wangsandsuch]

He's the same as any other guitar shredder, constantly uses sweeps and speed, and there's nothing special about it.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

For one, Jordan Rudess (the keyboardist whom you have described as a "mindless ****ty shredder," is classically trained. Apparently you've never even listened to Liquid Tension Experiment, or 4NYC. Both are pretty good examples of why you're completely wrong.

rofl @ LTE. easily as ****ty as DT, worst thing tony levin couldve done in his life. rudess is a piece of ****, always has been and always will be

Now you are right about one thing - difficulty of play doesn't make a solo good. Hell, if that were the case, then Dragonforce would be the greatest band in the world (and we all know they AREN'T.) But you have to understand that playing complex and intricate solos comes with being a Virtuoso in one's own instrument of choice. And what does Virtuosity take? TALENT. Petrucci is TALENTED and is a VIRTUOSO in guitar technicality.


who says that "virtuosos" are talented?? the "virtuoso" guitarist of the 80s are the same ****ing shredders doing the exact same shred wankery

There's a reason he's been invited to play with Joe Satriani and Steve Vai on the G3 tour SIX TIMES. The guy knows how to play guitar and play it well. And I know what you'll say - "Oh, but Yngwie's played on G3 too, and he's terrible!" Well, Yngwie's only play on G3 once. So, you're a moron.

yeah because steve vai is the epitome of guitar playing :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

-Now, as for ripping on Portnoy, I don't even know how that's possible. If you rip on Portnoy, you rip on Neil Peart. There's nothing much more to it. Peart is probably Portnoy's biggest influence. You mean to tell me that Neil ****ing Peart has no soul? Are you just mad because Portnoy's Jewish? You antisemitic types make me sick.

lmao wow that is the most far out assumption of all time. i didn't even ****ing know portnoy was jewish you stupid ****. don't go throwing ethnicity or race into this. fact is portnoy is a good drummer but he's massively overrated cuz of what you just said. he's basically just a well oiled clone of everyone he's influenced by. he brings nothing special to the world of drumming and has yet to show me that he can

-LOL @ calling Myung overrated. He's got to be one of the most underrated bassists I've ever seen. The guy's always in the backround, and he never gets any of the praise like Portnoy or Petrucci do. And he's still damn good. He may not be the greatest bassist in the world, but he's damn good regardless.

i said he was overrated by DT fans and "progressive" metal fans. yeah he's good and comes up with a good bass line every now and then but he's nothing special.

-Labrie is the enigma of the band. You either love him, or hate him. But to call him the "worst singer in rock history" is unfair. Sure, his voice is naturally more high-pitched, but he's got good range, and he can hit those F#'s with the best of them. Are there more talented vocalists out there? Of course. But he's not terrible. Terrible would be Bono. And no one's worse than Bono. No one.

la brie is the worst singer on the face of the planet.

So, in short, stop accusing everyone of being a biased jackass when you should be looking in a mirror. DT is a talented band that you just so happen to not have a taste for. Get the **** over it.

nah

By the way, I give your troll rating a 10/10 because I made a profile just to reply to this. You sir, are the pinnacle of troll-dome and I hope to one day be as good as you at inciting arguments among music fans.

thank you but i'm not a troll, i just happen to hate about 90% of the ****ty bands that most of the forum listens to.

[Black Assasin]

i doubt it if you think DT is the pinnacle of prog/creativity



DT fans are amongst the most ignorant and thick headed fans on earth. difficulty =/= talent. sure i wont' be able to play half of the mindless shredding that petrucci does, but as a fan/critic of music i do have the right to say that petrucci's ****ty shredding, is well ****ty.


I guess your just jealous coz you cant' play his music DUH!!!!:eek:

[I <3 Surf Guitar]

rofl @ LTE. easily as ****ty as DT, worst thing tony levin couldve done in his life. rudess is a piece of ****, always has been and always will be
Well, let's see...Its honestly really hard to take your opinion seriously when all you've given me is that the artist in question is "a piece of ****". I know you mentioned earlier that he's just a "mindless shredder", but I've already given you evidence that he isn't. He's a classically trained pianist, who could be considered one of the best keyboardists around today - even if he wasn't associated with Dream Theater. It's pretty obvious to me at this point that you've never listened to LTE, nor are you familiar with music on an intimate level in the slightest. To put it bluntly, and in a language that you might understand: DUR HUR UR FAVORITE BANDS R TEH GREETEST AND WE R TEH PIONS WHO MUST BOW B4 UR OPINION!


who says that "virtuosos" are talented?? the "virtuoso" guitarist of the 80s are the same ****ing shredders doing the exact same shred wankery

LMFAO. The word virtuoso literally means TALENTED. Are you kidding me here? Are you really that stupid? Hendrix was virtuoso, Satriani is a virtuoso, and so is Petrucci. They are all INCREDIBLY WELL-VERSED IN THE ART OF GUITAR PLAYING. Now, what they play on guitar might not appeal to you, but they are still ****ING GOOD AT GUITAR, YOU PLACENTA-CHEWING FECAL MONGER.


yeah because steve vai is the epitome of guitar playing :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah. He pretty much is. I'm not detecting any sarcasm on your part. I'm surprised you really enjoy his guitar playing as extensively as I do.


lmao wow that is the most far out assumption of all time. i didn't even ****ing know portnoy was jewish you stupid ****. don't go throwing ethnicity or race into this. fact is portnoy is a good drummer but he's massively overrated cuz of what you just said. he's basically just a well oiled clone of everyone he's influenced by. he brings nothing special to the world of drumming and has yet to show me that he can
Isn't every drummer influenced by someone? Then what do you have to say he brings anything different to the table? TELL ME SIR, how can the world of drumming be brought any further that it already is? Perhaps you can explain what hasn't already been done? Perhaps you can explain why Portnoy has won 23 awards from Modern Drummer magazine, including "Best Up & Coming Talent" (one time), "Best Clinician" (two times), "Best Educational Video/DVD" (two times), "Best recorded performance" (6 times) and "Best Progressive Rock Drummer" (for 12 consecutive years), and is also the youngest person (at 37 years of age) to be inducted into their Rock Drummer Hall of Fame since Neil Peart was inducted in 1983 (at 31 years of age). Maybe it's because he DESERVES HIS ACCLAIM? Nah - couldn't be.



i said he was overrated by DT fans and "progressive" metal fans. yeah he's good and comes up with a good bass line every now and then but he's nothing special.
No, you said he was overrated, period. You anti-semite. Stop putting words in your own mouth.



la brie is the worst singer on the face of the planet.
OH MAN I can SMELLLLLL the troll **** all over this comment. Guy's got a better voice than most. Get over your VOCALIST RAAAAGE.


So, in short, stop accusing everyone of being a biased jackass when you should be looking in a mirror. DT is a talented band that you just so happen to not have a taste for. Get the **** over it.

nah

You are Pure 100&#37; American Grade-A Troll.


thank you but i'm not a troll, i just happen to hate about 90% of the ****ty bands that most of the forum listens to.
Well, see this problem is that YOU ARE A TROLL, whether you admit to it or not - or if you even realize you're doing it. See, trolling is when you HATE on something, just to get a reaction out of someone - much like you, yourself have done to arise my ire. If you WEREN'T trolling, you wouldn't even be here. You wouldn't be coming back to respond to my comments. You would've just given your opinion and left. No inflammatory comments like "DT sucks ass" - just a simple, "Not a big fan of DT" would've sufficed.

Look in the mirror, you dolt. YOU'RE THE TROLL KING - RULER OF TROLL TOWN, DESTROYER OF MESSAGE BOARDS ACROSS THE INTERNET.

Stop convincing yourself that you're a serious fan of music, if you cant even accept that other people have different tastes. Goodnight.

[GlassPrisoner]

Anyone who thinks that Dream Theater is nothing but mindless shredding has apparently not listened to Octavarium... there's almost no shredding on that album.

But anyway...

[eddacris]

They're in the lower class than those who listen to Dream Theater, which basically saying that the bands they like are untatlented...

20+ years old band, still producing awesome musical experience? C'mon...

[Destromas]

I've loved this band ever since my friend, a fanatic, introduced me to them. They have an amazing drummer, guitarist, bassist, and probably the best keyboardist there is. If you haven't heard any of there stuff, you probably haven't, go listen to either Octavarium, 26 minutes of orgasmic ear sezz, or Glass Prison.

Then, Tell me what you think!

Jordan Rudess is by no means the best keyboardist out there. In fact, I blame him for the musical direction they went into. There are recordings on the albums. If you listen to a Rudess solo against a Derek Sherinian or Kevin Moore solo, there's no contest. Rudess is a guitarist on a keyboard.

I think the only thing I agree with you here is that The Glass Prison is a good song. That entire album was good, although highly influenced by other music groups that they say they have been listening to. Which brings us to Octavarium. That album is so influenced by groups such as MUSE that it makes me sick. Never Enough is such a rip off of Hysteria I can't even believe they released it. One of their worst, even after Systematic Chaos, which reeks of Metallica and Roadrunner producers. They say they aren't on Mtv but they're slowly becoming more radio and Mtv friendly as they go.

[Destromas]

Speaking of which, listen to Planet X, (Derek Sherinian's project) for a truly progressive and seamlessly syncopated rhythmic listen.

[ProgNegative]

I think the only thing I agree with you here is that The Glass Prison is a good song. That entire album was good, although highly influenced by other music groups that they say they have been listening to. Which brings us to Octavarium. That album is so influenced by groups such as MUSE that it makes me sick. Never Enough is such a rip off of Hysteria I can't even believe they released it. One of their worst, even after Systematic Chaos, which reeks of Metallica and Roadrunner producers. They say they aren't on Mtv but they're slowly becoming more radio and Mtv friendly as they go.

"Good artists copy, great artists steal." -Picasso

I can't say you're wrong in your analysis of their influences, but I don't base whether I like a song on how similar one part of it is to another song, if it's a good song thats all I need to know. Do you realize how many songs use the same chord progression as Canon in D? Tom Petty even tried to sue RHCP for Dani California because the chords were the same as Mary Jane's Last Dance, but there are so many songs to count that use the same progressions as others that if he had won it would have caused havoc in the music industry. That being said, the Octavarium album may not be their best, but the last track is amazing. Add to that A Change of Seasons and their entire Scenes From A Memory album and you should know all you need to about their song writing ability right there, outside influences just give them ideas to help them evolve as a band.

I don't really see them ever becoming an MTV band either. Sure their style has changed over the years, but that type of music is never going to be a hit with a mass audience. These days MTV is a place where simple, catchy, repetetive music is at the top, and DT doesn't really fit those descriptions.

[Destromas]

Forsaken is rather simple and catchy, and Constant Motion is repetitive, (loads of fun to play on real guitar, mind you, but...) Octavarium had a couple songs that made that list too. Answer Lies Within, I Walk Beside you, very simple. The Root of All Evil was fun to play, but very much like Constant motion in its style of writing. But before those past few albums, they never had LedZep-ish riff rock going on. It was thematically progressive, rhythmically and melodically.

As I Am seemed to set all that off. John Petrucci wrote that, and it had a short, sweet, very fitting solo unlike much of his other work. But As I Am, Root of All Evil, Constant Motion, even Forsaken. All the same repetitive riff over and over again. And you were talking about their song writing ability.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still a fan of theirs, always will be a listener, because there's elements here and there in every song of theirs that is impressive and deserving of a second chance. But I will not back down from Never Enough. The intro was a copy/paste put to the extreme, and James Labrie even sounded like he TRIED to mock Matthew Bellamy. (I'm a Muse fan.)

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

PLACENTA-CHEWING FECAL MONGER.

roflroflroflroflroflrofl

[DravenGSX]

Been a Dream Theater fan since Images and Words. Awake is easily one of the best albums ever recorded.

And Petrucci's solo album, Suspended Animation is freakin' super-human.

I would love to see DT in Rock Band!

[Totalimmortal]

i would die for a drumkit like the siamese monster. or any of portnoy's monsters for that matter. what a phenomenal band, with good talent behind all instruments. This Dying Soul... what more needs to be said?

[masterantonio]

I started listening to them when images and words came out. Immediately they became my favorite band. They are awesome live. I've seen them so many times, they just get better. I've kind of stopped listening to them for a while, after the scenes from a memory album. I don't really care for the newest album, but really like the James Labrae solo album.

I would love to see any of their songs in rock band especially off of their first five albums.

[tombrady]

They are a solid band, but I have to agree with what battle axe and the skeptics are saying (though I'll try to not go all out).

Lots of DT fans seem to confuse speed/difficulty with creativity...it's simply not the case.

Portnoy may be the most overrated drummer playing today...he's definitely good, no doubt there...but there are much better drummers in metal and prog and in rock.

I like how someone said "bUT NEIL PEART IS HIS BIGGEST INFLUENCE...YOU ARE SAYING NEIL PEART SUX TOO IF U SAY PROTNOYZ SUXZ!!!!11"

Uh, so, if neil peart's playing were to influence me to go buy a cheap kit and **** around on it, would I then be a good drummer comparable to neil peart?

It's easy to say you're influenced by someone, but it's another thing to actually perform to that standard. Every drummer mentions peart, moon, bonham, rich, buford, etc...doesn't mean any of them are as good. Portnoy is a good drummer, but DT fans seem to think he's some bastion of creativity and talent, which is just not true.

I would certainly buy some of their music if it was in RB...it would be fun, and that's what it's all about, but as others have said...they are not the saviors of prog...stop sucking them off...

I personally just find it difficult to enjoy this band's sound, and it's mainly because of the keyboard and the singer's voice. Some people dig the keyboard and I like it in small doses or used intelligently, but it seems like it is much too prominent in their music...it just makes the music feel cheesy to me.

Oh yeah, LaBrie is probably one of the worst singers in music...there's my troll comment of the day ;)

[drunkassmonkey]

Forced opinions make the world go round apparently. Why would you post in a thread just to bash the other people in it?

Anyways, I happen to love Dream Theater. I have only been listening to them for about half a year, so not very long. And they are not my favorite band, but they are up there. I've been trying to learn some of their stuff on guitar as well. I can tell you though, that Petrucci is a real musical theory nut when it comes to scales.

[tombrady]

I wasn't bashing anyone, I was giving my opinion on DT.

[Destromas]

I can tell you though, that Petrucci is a real musical theory nut when it comes to scales.

That's what happens when your "guitar solo" is a series of warmups at a fast tempo. But hey, I play his music, I own his signature guitar. I own a few of the older tab books up to SFaM. What do I know?

[tertiumsquid]

Strange Deja Vu is my favorite song by them and the whole Scenes From A Memory is awesome and one of the best concept albums ever in terms of actually telling a story, I think. Strange Deja Vu as DLC would be sweet and the drums would be insane.

How about the whole of Scenes from a Memory? I think that would be rad. Possibly better would be Portnoy's Alcoholics Anonymous Suite, though if I'd have to pick an individual song, it would be The Mirror.

Really, anything from these guys would be very welcome.

[Kamnaz]

Dream Theater is one of most technical band! All members of th band are extremely talented musicians in a diverse range of styles. Check Mike "the IronMike" in this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no4luPP6t9c , I wish to see a song from them on Rock Band.

[Onslaught_fei]

Thread ressurection! I smell a necromancer!

I am 5000&#37; ready for some Dream Theater.

[Setsu102]

Thread ressurection! I smell a necromancer!

I am 5000% ready for some Dream Theater.

I would buy any Dream Theater ever released for Rock Band no matter what song they decided to release.

[Head For METAL]

i havn't heard them before but after listening woot i like them and am now currently in progress of getting every song of theirs i can find

[GlassPrisoner]

Any and all Dream Theater = insta-buy.

By the way, the 2007 remix of Pull Me Under released this week sounds great!

[hhcash]

Long live prog!!!!!

[DravenGSX]

I've been digging The Dark Eternal Night from Systematic Chaos lately.

[CEDRICtheFOETUS]

I've been digging The Dark Eternal Night from Systematic Chaos lately.
Hell yeah, Dark Eternal Night would kick ass on RB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF4JD2rO3Q

[I_LOVE_HMX]

Anything from Images & Words would rule pretty hard.