What's wrong with GH:WT?

[FlameSama1]

Yeah, why does everyone hate Guitar Hero?

[Aragha]

'Tis overcharted and ugly

[nicko68]

Nothing at all.

There are just a lot of fanboys on this site.

Plus the mood changes like the wind. A couple of weeks ago, a large number of people were ready to "jump ship" since GH:WT was addressing a lot of issues from RB1. But now that HMX is also addressing those issues, GH:WT is "crap" again.

[Aragha]

Nothing at all.

There are just a lot of fanboys on this site.

Plus the mood changes like the wind. A couple of weeks ago, a large number of people were ready to "jump ship" since GH:WT was addressing a lot of issues from RB1. But now that HMX is also addressing those issues, GH:WT is "crap" again.

Have you seen the trailer? It looks TERRIBLE! It's over charted by lots, and the reason people are... um... un-jumping ship is because RB2 looks so much better than GHWT

[funkydunkleman]

Yeah, why does everyone hate Guitar Hero?

Why shouldn't we?

They rip off ideas that HMX created.

They block the ability to make RB instruments compatible on all systems.

They put out a new game every six months, while having no compatibility with previous titles.

They were the first to start making exclusive deals with bands.

They overchart their songs rediculously.

Their downloadable content comes in mandatory packs and are more expensive than Rock Band's.

Their Xbox 360 Achievements are nearly impossible to 1000.

They put out new content usually once a month, Rock Band puts out at least 3 songs a week, every week.

The next gen console's visuals on GH3 and GH:A are almost that of a PS2's.

Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance.

[Devilsbane07]

Why shouldn't we?

They rip off ideas that HMX created.

They block the ability to make RB instruments compatible on all systems.

They put out a new game every six months, while having no compatibility with previous titles.

They were the first to start making exclusive deals with bands.

They overchart their songs rediculously.

Their downloadable content comes in mandatory packs and are more expensive than Rock Band's.

Their Xbox 360 Achievements are nearly impossible to 1000.

They put out new content usually once a month, Rock Band puts out at least 3 songs a week, every week.

The next gen console's visuals on GH3 and GH:A are almost that of a PS2's.

Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance.


Completely agree with the instument compatability. Im not buying new instuments to play a few songs and then only be able to play them on that game. Pretty excited to copy all the songs over to RB2 thus replacing RB1 and not having 12 cds lying around and wanting to play a certain song and have to find which one its on

[sorgen]

Bcuz Itz Overcharted And I Cant Win On Exprt On 1 Try So Gh Sux And I Cry And Songz Sux And Rb Make Me Win Ez Mode And I Cant Win Ez Mod On Gh So Gh Is Suxor

[Zeleii]

I perfer RBs mix of songs... and umm RB has Rush and GH doesnt lol

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

I perfer RBs mix of songs... and umm RB has Rush and GH doesnt lol
thats exactly it! :D

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

Bcuz Itz Overcharted And I Cant Win On Exprt On 1 Try So Gh Sux And I Cry And Songz Sux And Rb Make Me Win Ez Mode And I Cant Win Ez Mod On Gh So Gh Is Suxor
its not that we think the songs are hard. I know for a fact that those songs are overcharted. (I play the guitar) I can beat all of them, but its just so awkward to play because the timing doesn't match up well, and most of the notes seem completely random.

[Zeleii]

its not that we think the songs are hard. I know for a fact that those songs are overcharted. (I play the guitar) I can beat all of them, but its just so awkward to play because the timing doesn't match up well, and most of the notes seem completely random.
Definatly...

I might get GH:WT IF!!! there is some bands I really like...

Just Rush wouldnt do it
Just Metallica wouldnt do it
Same with Paramore...

There have too be many bands I enjoy to sell like half the setlist appealing

[BhindBluEyes430]

I perfer RBs mix of songs... and umm RB has Rush and GH doesnt lol

Also as far as im know The Who and AC/DC aswell :D

The Who+Rush+Ac/Dc Beats anything Guitar hero could ever make

[Zeleii]

Very good point. lol not to mention we have Megadeth, Judas Priest... metal greats...

Did I mention we have The Grateful Dead too?

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

Very good point. lol not to mention we have Megadeth, Judas Priest... metal greats...

Did I mention we have The Grateful Dead too?
what both of you said. what about Boston?


what could GH have? Van Halen and the Eagles? RB beats that. (I still want those bands though)

[Zeleii]

what both of you said. what about Boston?


what could GH have? Van Halen and the Eagles? RB beats that. (I still want those bands though)
GH can possibly get Boston which is why I didnt say anything

[Rock_Starman]

Definatly...

I might get GH:WT IF!!! there is some bands I really like...

Just Rush wouldnt do it
Just Metallica wouldnt do it
Same with Paramore...

There have too be many bands I enjoy to sell like half the setlist appealing

They have Paramore,Misery Business and their singer is in the game.

Though I can say one thing that's wrong with it.

Out of the all the Smashing Pumpkins songs for the second straight time both ****ing games somehow managed to pick the exact same ****ing song of theirs. They also have a Beastie Boys song wich still isn't Fight For Your Right.

[BhindBluEyes430]

And the allman brothers

I mean I would love The Eagles An Hot For Teacher is one of the most awesome full band songs of all time. but Rockbands shear volume of music makes it so much better.

Plus how can you have a game with drums without Moon or Pert

[Jixzer]

Bcuz Itz Overcharted And I Cant Win On Exprt On 1 Try So Gh Sux And I Cry And Songz Sux And Rb Make Me Win Ez Mode And I Cant Win Ez Mod On Gh So Gh Is Suxor

Wow...what a well thought out and sound argument! It must hurt to be as awesome as you. WIN must seep from your pours. Wow.

Putz!

[sorgen]

Wow...what a well thought out and sound argument! It must hurt to be as awesome as you. WIN must seep from your pours. Wow.

Putz!

I was, in fact, conceived of PURE win... No, not false win, PURE win.

[ty_n_w]

what both of you said. what about Boston?


what could GH have? Van Halen and the Eagles? RB beats that. (I still want those bands though)

Guitar Hero has Boston already (I think they have one of their songs as a DLC). But Van Halen would be absolutely amazing.. Are they featured in GH:WT?

[Zeleii]

But do I see Judas Priest? No, chances are we'd get something from Nostradamus on GH:WT... do I see Rush?! Oh no? I didn't think so... it's a no go, I've played RB every day since the day i got it... GH:WT wont even come close

[Mikey803]

and thirdly...

Master Exploder by Tenacious D

and fourthly

Peace Sells by Megadeth

and fifthly

Battery by Metallica

[Zeleii]

But I swear... if Activision is exclusive with Paramore too I'll be mad... but here's hoping MTVs tie in with a lot of modern bands like Paramore is a good thing...

MTV is saving our ass in the Metallica department...
Only good thing MTV has ever done gotten bands for RB2... :)

Edit : Mikey I'm not crazy about Master Exploder...

But Peace Sells is good n all but why not something else... oh well that's what DLC is for

[Lithium_666]

it will be overcharted

[Zeleii]

it will be overcharted
Definatly... Everlong is alrady f'ed up so says DavidShek and another real drummer on these forums

[FlameSama1]

Why shouldn't we?

They rip off ideas that HMX created..

What did HMX really create? Drums? Vocals? Full band? All been done by Konami in the past, so GH and RB are really stealing from Konami's old Guitar/Drum/Keyboard Freak games.



They block the ability to make RB instruments compatible on all systems.
That's exactly why the drum kit from RB works with GH:WT...the GH Les Paul was better anyway to be honest.



They put out a new game every six months, while having no compatibility with previous titles.
Hmmm...about a year between GHIII and GH:WT...less between RB1 and 2...and does it REALLY matter. I've never found myself saying, "Damn, Even Flow is great, but Life Waster would be a great follow up, oh wait..."

It's more resources for more useful things.



They were the first to start making exclusive deals with bands.
Wait, so RB DIDN'T also begin doing that now too? It was just a matter of time...



They overchart their songs rediculously.
Okay, THIS is actually undeniable. Hot For Teacher looked like hell...



Their downloadable content comes in mandatory packs and are more expensive than Rock Band's.
Legit reason.



Their Xbox 360 Achievements are nearly impossible to 1000.
Uhh...and? As apposed to other games that are easy... I don't care about achievements THAT much... I only 1000/1000 two games. Halo 3 and COD2. Big deal.



They put out new content usually once a month, Rock Band puts out at least 3 songs a week, every week.
Yes, but not ALL RB DLC is good. Doolittle VS Death Magnetic? Uh...



The next gen console's visuals on GH3 and GH:A are almost that of a PS2's. Yes, I all the time question the quality of the visuals of the gems falling down my fretboard...



Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...haha...Aww...man. ..you REALLY got me there. Idiots are everywhere. For example, you have people here that wait until the day the Who comes out, downloads and plays the songs ASAP, and then calls it overhyped and not worth it. You have people arguing over music opinion, etc... GH couldn't be more guilty than us, vice versa.

Playing devil's advocate is fun.

[w0olfie]

yeah I might get GHWT instead because of the stupid move to release RB2 later on the PS3 than on the 360. How much did M$ pay for that one RB?

[m00p]

Why shouldn't we?

They rip off ideas that HMX created.

They block the ability to make RB instruments compatible on all systems.

They put out a new game every six months, while having no compatibility with previous titles.

They were the first to start making exclusive deals with bands.

They overchart their songs rediculously.

Their downloadable content comes in mandatory packs and are more expensive than Rock Band's.


Their Xbox 360 Achievements are nearly impossible to 1000.

They put out new content usually once a month, Rock Band puts out at least 3 songs a week, every week.

The next gen console's visuals on GH3 and GH:A are almost that of a PS2's.

Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance.


I agree with everything, except whats in bold. Not your fault though, because they just announced they are compatible. I have to agree with immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance.

[Melcene]

FlameSama1's post above basically sums up all of my thoughts. Personally, although I have been a GH fan from the first game, I almost stopped supporting GH simply because I get more use out of Rock Band as a vocalist. But once WT was announced, I decided to continue supporting them. And so I will continue to support both games. Though it may kill me financially :P

[m00p]

What did HMX really create? Drums? Vocals? Full band? All been done by Konami in the past, so GH and RB are really stealing from Konami's old Guitar/Drum/Keyboard Freak games.





Yes, but not ALL RB DLC is good. Doolittle VS Death Magnetic? Uh...




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...haha...Aww...man. ..you REALLY got me there. Idiots are everywhere. For example, you have people here that wait until the day the Who comes out, downloads and plays the songs ASAP, and then calls it overhyped and not worth it. You have people arguing over music opinion, etc... GH couldn't be more guilty than us, vice versa.

Playing devil's advocate is fun.

Yet again, this is also a MUSIC board. We discuss musical preferences, something that you would not know about. Learn to form your own opinions for once, please. Death Magnetic hasn't even been released, and no tracks are available to listen to, so how do you know its better than the pixies? My bad! You can see into the future. I should've known that. :rolleyes:

[Colt_Steele]

I was, in fact, conceived of PURE win... No, not false win, PURE win.

I hope it's not a false BAN under your screen name, either.

[FlameSama1]

Yet again, this is also a MUSIC board. We discuss musical preferences, something that you would not know about. Learn to form your own opinions for once, please. Death Magnetic hasn't even been released, and no tracks are available to listen to, so how do you know its better than the pixies? My bad! You can see into the future. I should've known that. :rolleyes:

I watched the videos on Mission: Metallica, I watched them a few times and actually liked what I heard. As apposed to the RB previews for any of the Pixies song and ANY of Wave Of Mutilation. So yeah...still speculation I suppose, but Metallica is winning so far.

[Rockin_it_all_nite_long]

Guitar Hero looks really good, unfortunately there's just a lot of fanboys who want to try to herd all the potential customers as possible over to RB.

Same thing goes on at the GH site, but just not as much

[j_dub_rules]

Guitar Hero looks really good, unfortunately there's just a lot of fanboys who want to try to herd all the potential customers as possible over to RB.

Same thing goes on at the GH site, but just not as much

Seriously dude, every post I've seen from you is pro GH and they all seem to be trying to bait people into flame wars....Its not cool....And the few times I've been over to the GH forums, the trolling and fan boy attitude is so much worse. I mean yeah, its on these boards too, but it's the internet, so its always gonna be there. In the end, GH3 was a regression for the series, so thats why so many here are skeptical of GH:WT

[Rockin_it_all_nite_long]

Seriously dude, every post I've seen from you is pro GH and they all seem to be trying to bait people into flame wars....Its not cool....And the few times I've been over to the GH forums, the trolling and fan boy attitude is so much worse. I mean yeah, its on these boards too, but it's the internet, so its always gonna be there. In the end, GH3 was a regression for the series, so thats why so many here are skeptical of GH:WT

huh? no i'm really not biased towards either game, i'll most likely be picking up both.

but just from what i've seen of the GH community there seems to be a lot less fanboys over there. i'm not saying that i'm correct but that's just what i've seen.

[TrunkMonkey]

its not that we think the songs are hard. I know for a fact that those songs are overcharted. (I play the guitar) I can beat all of them, but its just so awkward to play because the timing doesn't match up well, and most of the notes seem completely random.

I play guitar also.........and GH charts are horrible......like he said there are just random notes thrown in there, just for the sake of difficulty, makes absolutely no sense at all.

[j_dub_rules]

huh? no i'm really not biased towards either game, i'll most likely be picking up both.

but just from what i've seen of the GH community there seems to be a lot less fanboys over there. i'm not saying that i'm correct but that's just what i've seen.

Well its different kind of fan boys on each board....The ones here just have loyalty to Harmonix because of their track record of making awesome games....On the GH forums its all about how much harder GH is the RB and how RB is easy and how GH has the best songs, so they just bash RB as easy and having crap music, and how TTATF is this great song because its impossible and has like 3600 notes(hahah yeah right, Dragonforce is crap). Its funny because most of them over there don't even know Harmonix created their beloved GH :rolleyes: But for the most part, its just more civil here. Over there everyone treats their opinions as fact. Here, for the most part, you can like whatever you want and not get flammed (But you can't like Nickelback because thats akin to liking child molestation ;) )

[FlameSama1]

I play guitar also.........and GH charts are horrible......like he said there are just random notes thrown in there, just for the sake of difficulty, makes absolutely no sense at all.

I can some how see WHY they'd do that, in that whole 'well' it's a game, not meant to be the real thing'. In that sense, they do their job well.

RB is easier and at least for me more fun. I can't beat Lou on Hard, but I was a proud gamer seeing the Lord Of The String achievement unlock after GG&HT. GH is geared towards the super hardcore.

[Gatorguy91]

TL;DR answer..


they don't care about THEIR customer only the POTENTIAL customer.

and they want rb to be no longer. and that sucks.

[TorturedPaper]

That's exactly why the drum kit from RB works with GH:WT...the GH Les Paul was better anyway to be honest.



I hate the Les Paul. The buttons on mine dont work particularly well. example: sometimes i press the green fret and it just doesnt work
I think its because of the detachable neck.:mad:

[Melcene]

I hate the Les Paul. The buttons on mine dont work particularly well. example: sometimes i press the green fret and it just doesnt work
I think its because of the detachable neck.:mad:

I've only just recently started having the exact same problem with mine, and I've had it since release. Which is a pisser, because I really did like the Les Paul guitar. What's even more of a pisser is my GH:A guitar is already acting funky too, but this time it's not just the green button, it's any/all of them. It's definitely the detachable neck that's the problem. I need to pick up the RB wireless guitar and try that out.

[Lambeauleap]

I perfer RBs mix of songs... and umm RB has Rush and GH doesnt lol

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG GH2 has Rush

[Lambeauleap]

what both of you said. what about Boston?


what could GH have? Van Halen and the Eagles? RB beats that. (I still want those bands though)

I'm pretty sure GH1 had more than a feeling

[Zeleii]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG GH2 has Rush
Stating GH:WT... and GH2 didn't have Rush... it had HMX covering a Rush song

Lambeau everyone is saying this stuff about GH:WT not the franchise as a whole

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

I'm pretty sure GH1 had more than a feeling
those games were made by HMX. HMX made rock Band.

I didn't mean that boston was exclusive to rock band, but hey are more friendly with rock band than they are with GH.

[Lambeauleap]

Guitar Hero looks really good, unfortunately there's just a lot of fanboys who want to try to herd all the potential customers as possible over to RB.

Same thing goes on at the GH site, but just not as much

Now, speaking as a WELL KNOWN MEMBER of those forums, I can honestly say what you just said happens there is EXACTLY what the RB fan boys do. Some RB fanboys have come TO OUR FORUMS and Bashed our game.

I'm sorry, but if you go to ANOTHER games forums just to bash the game, you have NO life

[Lambeauleap]

Lambeau

For the future everyone calls me Lambchop

[BhindBluEyes430]

its very simple

The Who+AC/DC+Rush
Vs
Van Halen+The Eagles+Hendrix

close but Rock band wins

I mean You cannot beat Rush and The Who for Full band songs mostly because the drumming is epic always

[djquinn5790]

i like both brands equally.... aside from the occasional overchart ... neversoft hasnt changed guitar hero that much except for make the inter face look much nicer and i honestly enjoy the circular notes and easier to see hammerons and pulloffs.... but i really love the solo buttons on rb ( i sue tham for everything) and i do enjoy my weekly dlc even tho i did like some of the dlc for gh3 but it was once a month and 6.25 is rediculous

[Lambeauleap]

RB2's setlist is impressive, but WT's hasn't been announced yet (I think)

[Zeleii]

RB2's setlist is impressive, but WT's hasn't been announced yet (I think)
I highly doubt GH:WT will have Rush, because Rush is having a very difficult time locating masters for RB even (The game Geddy Lee loves playing) so I can rule out my favorite being in GH:WT lowering chances of me buying the game :p

[Lambeauleap]

If GH:WT somehow scored some Led zeppelin that would change some things

... But It'll never happen :(

[darkangel]

Why shouldn't we?

They rip off ideas that HMX created.

They block the ability to make RB instruments compatible on all systems.

They put out a new game every six months, while having no compatibility with previous titles.

They were the first to start making exclusive deals with bands.

They overchart their songs rediculously.

Their downloadable content comes in mandatory packs and are more expensive than Rock Band's.

Their Xbox 360 Achievements are nearly impossible to 1000.

They put out new content usually once a month, Rock Band puts out at least 3 songs a week, every week.

The next gen console's visuals on GH3 and GH:A are almost that of a PS2's.

Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance.

Almost every point is 100% false.

1: HMX did not create the genre, it was around long before the first GH. GH BTW was a collaborative by HMX and Red Octaine so the two companies producing games right now invented the popular version of the genre together

2: Red Octain/Activison did not block peripheral compatibility that is 100% to do with the system. thats why Xbox people have no problem using old guitars and PS3 people are dumped on.

3: all GH games and peripherals are compatible with each other. Even for PS3, GH/A peripherals work with GH3

4: why is exclusive deals bad? thats called business. If they get Aerosmith exclusively, you have to get GH to play Aerosmith songs. Sucks for you if you are to broke to buy the game, but is not a bad business.

5: I'm not sure why "overchart" is a problem nor am I sure that it is even real. I hear one guy on scorehero go on about it and now every teen online swears by it. first off, even if it is factual you are complaining about a challenge. You are complaining because the expert level is too hard? what a laugh.

6: yeah, its true that their DLC packs are not available in singles DLC but while those cost a bit more than RB's, they also have a higher rate of good music released for purchase and also put out much more free music.
hell, at least GH isnt trying to sell us the same song several times and laughing at us for buying the extra 2 seconds of guitar solo. :eek:

7: The visuals of all the games, RB, GH etc have been the same. they have not improved much at all. but who the hell is actually watching the background ? even when I am watching friends play, I am watching the charts.

8: "Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance." which ? RB or GH ? that statement can be made about every uber fan of everything.

[BhindBluEyes430]

If GH:WT somehow scored some Led zeppelin that would change some things

... But It'll never happen :(

I dont know

Keith Moon+Neil pert > John Bohnam

easy

[Zeleii]

Neil Peart is the best rock drummer ever, Keith Moon is second only to god himself (Neil)

[ThePunisher]

i started playing GH2(ps2,later got a Xplorer guitar from a friend) when it came out,it was an amazing game,truly.the progression and the song choices were great.when i heard about GH3 being made by neversoft...i knew it was not gonna be as good as could be.cuz neversoft has usually,at least in the past couple of years made very crappy games,compared to what the quality of theyre games was way back when.i said im going with RB just cuz i knew it was gonna b amazing.but got GH3 anyway.that said the same day GH3 came out i beat it on hard,frustrated cuz of lou and raining blood!but the moment i played the first song i knew it was never gonna b the same.so i then got RB just with my Xplorer guitar.and still even tho RB is easier it is a lot more fun,cuz its not over charted,but!that said the Ho/Po in GH3 made the game that much easier still.i know WT isnt gonna b THAT good,but ill prolly get it as well as RB2 of course ill just b picking up the discs!but the main problem that at least i think we all have is we saw what GH2 was,a great freaking game and the the dissapointment of GH3 and i feel that we really talk down about anything that came after GH2 bcuz it was not the same game.i.e i get people that play GH3 every day and say its just the most amazing thing ever,and i ask em if the have played GH2,of course the say no!i just dont take theyre word for it b cuz i saw what GH was!we dont hate the series,we hate the games and the fanboys that the game brings at least after GH2.i dont really care about choosing one over the other,RB is a lot more fun.and WT is a knock of of RB,admit it even tho HMX didnt create the instrument games it revolutionized them and made the full band game available on home consoles,i.e for those who played Gears of War when it came out,it was amazing bcuz it was revolutionary for shooters.oohh and the konami games suck:D

[m00p]

Almost every point is 100% false.

1: HMX did not create the genre, it was around long before the first GH. GH BTW was a collaborative by HMX and Red Octaine so the two companies producing games right now invented the popular version of the genre together

2: Red Octain/Activison did not block peripheral compatibility that is 100% to do with the system. thats why Xbox people have no problem using old guitars and PS3 people are dumped on.

3: all GH games and peripherals are compatible with each other. Even for PS3, GH/A peripherals work with GH3

4: why is exclusive deals bad? thats called business. If they get Aerosmith exclusively, you have to get GH to play Aerosmith songs. Sucks for you if you are to broke to buy the game, but is not a bad business.

5: I'm not sure why "overchart" is a problem nor am I sure that it is even real. I hear one guy on scorehero go on about it and now every teen online swears by it. first off, even if it is factual you are complaining about a challenge. You are complaining because the expert level is too hard? what a laugh.

6: yeah, its true that their DLC packs are not available in singles DLC but while those cost a bit more than RB's, they also have a higher rate of good music released for purchase and also put out much more free music.
hell, at least GH isnt trying to sell us the same song several times and laughing at us for buying the extra 2 seconds of guitar solo. :eek:

7: The visuals of all the games, RB, GH etc have been the same. they have not improved much at all. but who the hell is actually watching the background ? even when I am watching friends play, I am watching the charts.

8: "Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance." which ? RB or GH ? that statement can be made about every uber fan of everything.

You don't know what your talking about, do u?

[Jixzer]

1: HMX did not create the genre, it was around long before the first GH. GH BTW was a collaborative by HMX and Red Octaine so the two companies producing games right now invented the popular version of the genre together


You're half right. Red Octane pitched the idea to Harmonix. Harmonix didn't think it would go over well, but did it anyway. Bet they're glad they did now.



2: Red Octain/Activison did not block peripheral compatibility that is 100% to do with the system. thats why Xbox people have no problem using old guitars and PS3 people are dumped on.


No. It has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the fact that Sony does not have peripheral standards like Microsoft does. There are no guidelines or rules to how they work, so in essence, any game developer can make a controller that works specifically for their game and no one elses. HMX developed a patch for PS3 players to use the GHIII Les Paul, that is very well known, and Activision blocked it. They wanted money and HMX wasn't going to give it to them.



3: all GH games and peripherals are compatible with each other. Even for PS3, GH/A peripherals work with GH3


True. Can't argue with that one (as long as you stay system specific).




4: why is exclusive deals bad? thats called business. If they get Aerosmith exclusively, you have to get GH to play Aerosmith songs. Sucks for you if you are to broke to buy the game, but is not a bad business.


It may not be bad business for the developer, but it's bad business for the band, the label, and the players. They could double their revenue by going to many venues rather than just one. Basically, it would be like a band signing a contract to play exclusively at one bar or club, and no other....sure, it may be good short term, but when you want to go to another town for more exposure you can't, you're stuck. I think it's bad on both sides whether they sign exclusively with HMX or Activision; it hurts the players and causes a never ending war to see who can get who first. Eventually, it will come to who can offer more, starts a messy back and forth, pushing back development and driving up the cost. It's a bad call all around.




5: I'm not sure why "overchart" is a problem nor am I sure that it is even real. I hear one guy on scorehero go on about it and now every teen online swears by it. first off, even if it is factual you are complaining about a challenge. You are complaining because the expert level is too hard? what a laugh.


Overcharting is a problem because it's not an accurate portrayal. Whether you like it or not, GHIII and RB are simulation games. Now, this is simply my opinion, but overcharting or making a game harder for the sake of making it harder is not simulation, it's stupid, which is exactly what Activision/Neversoft did.



6: yeah, its true that their DLC packs are not available in singles DLC but while those cost a bit more than RB's, they also have a higher rate of good music released for purchase and also put out much more free music.
hell, at least GH isnt trying to sell us the same song several times and laughing at us for buying the extra 2 seconds of guitar solo. :eek:


Higher rate of good music? That is your opinion. Some would argue that the Rock Band DLC is far superior, in both quality and quantity. The free stuff? Yea, ok..there are only two songs RB put out for free vs what was offered for GHIII...but 3 of the "Free" GH songs were already in the game, just without the boss battle. I am Murlock...ok...I would love to have that. ;) Regardless, even with the free GHIII songs, the amound of available DLC offered by RB greatly overshadows anything Neversoft has offered. A few more free songs over a 230+ song library...I'll go with the latter.




7: The visuals of all the games, RB, GH etc have been the same. they have not improved much at all. but who the hell is actually watching the background ? even when I am watching friends play, I am watching the charts.


I'll half agree. I too am watching the charts, but GHIII background goings on looks like crap (opinion).



8: "Oh yeah, and their fans are generally immature, prepubescent, and full of blind ignorance." which ? RB or GH ? that statement can be made about every uber fan of everything.

True.

Ok...I'm done. :)

[Tokisaurus]

Neversoft ****ed up the entire series with GH3. Harmonix always knew how to make great games.

[darkangel]

You don't know what your talking about, do u?

your debating skills need work, next time, do like Jixzer and point out why you think I am wrong.



No. It has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the fact that Sony does not have peripheral standards like Microsoft does. There are no guidelines or rules to how they work, so in essence, any game developer can make a controller that works specifically for their game and no one elses. HMX developed a patch for PS3 players to use the GHIII Les Paul, that is very well known, and Activision blocked it. They wanted money and HMX wasn't going to give it to them.


Explain this... Activision's response to Harmonix PS3 patch questions (https://activision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/activision.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19652&p_created=1197598466&p_sid=1Rwx849j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9NDAsNDAmcF9wcm9kcz01MDMsNjMxJnBfY2F0cz0 mcF9wdj0yLjYzMSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlc nMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1)

To Music Gaming Fans:

The recent announcement by MTV Games/Viacom's Harmonix division that Activision is blocking Sony from releasing a patch and their plea to enable Rock Band software to work with Guitar Hero hardware paints a very misleading picture.

In fact, Harmonix and its parent company MTV Games/Viacom recently declined Activision's offer to reach an agreement that would allow the use of Guitar Hero guitar controllers with Rock Band. We have been and remain open to discussions with Harmonix and MTV Games/Viacom about the use of our technology in Rock Band. Unfortunately for Rock Band users, in this case Harmonix and MTV Games/Viacom are unwilling to discuss an agreement with Activision.

Activision's top priority is to provide consumers with a seamless marriage of best-in-class hardware and software. We are focusing our efforts on innovating hardware and software that are designed to work together, work flawlessly and provide an enjoyable gaming experience.

Best regards,

Activision



It may not be bad business for the developer, but it's bad business for the band, the label, and the players. They could double their revenue by going to many venues rather than just one. Basically, it would be like a band signing a contract to play exclusively at one bar or club, and no other....sure, it may be good short term, but when you want to go to another town for more exposure you can't, you're stuck. I think it's bad on both sides whether they sign exclusively with HMX or Activision; it hurts the players and causes a never ending war to see who can get who first. Eventually, it will come to who can offer more, starts a messy back and forth, pushing back development and driving up the cost. It's a bad call all around.

No, you are mixing things up. this isnt a matter of a band locking themselves into a venue, it is the same as them locking themselves into a recording contract. They STILL get their name out their, they still get their recordings heard, they just dont have multiple companies putting out their material. Just like when American Records (at the time Def American) signed The Black Crows (just using a name and company I know off hand) They signed exclusiveness so The Black Crows weren't selling their music to Geffin, Virgin or any other names. The music wasnt limited to the world, the world just had to spend the money to buy the product. Same is true for content in these games.



Overcharting is a problem because it's not an accurate portrayal. Whether you like it or not, GHIII and RB are simulation games. Now, this is simply my opinion, but overcharting or making a game harder for the sake of making it harder is not simulation, it's stupid, which is exactly what Activision/Neversoft did.

I dont play (real) guitar, so I have no idea if the charts are accurate... hence why i doubt the complaint. I did notice right away that RB is 1000X easier than GH... but that doesn't make it better. either way, from what i DO know about guitar playing... none of the colored buttons are an accurate portrayal of playing any of the songs anyway. This is why I was so impressed with the drums and haven't picked up the guitar in months.





Higher rate of good music? That is your opinion. Some would argue that the Rock Band DLC is far superior, in both quality and quantity. The free stuff? Yea, ok..there are only two songs RB put out for free vs what was offered for GHIII...but 3 of the "Free" GH songs were already in the game, just without the boss battle. I am Murlock...ok...I would love to have that. ;) Regardless, even with the free GHIII songs, the amound of available DLC offered by RB greatly overshadows anything Neversoft has offered. A few more free songs over a 230+ song library...I'll go with the latter.

I was speaking of quality per capita. In the time that RB started offering DLC, the amount of quality songs (not just my own opinion, I am going by the level of complaints on this board alone... for example, I hate the Pixies, but I have seen nearly zero complaints about that album... so I dont write it off) is actually higher in GH's favor. While RB may have had more "good" songs out in number, the Pixies album alone is actually more songs than GH has released to date. I came to my conclusion using that average, and also judging that GH put out artists that more people have been begging for over here than RB did.




Neversoft ****ed up the entire series with GH3. Harmonix always knew how to make great games.

I dont get it. GH3 wasnt very different from any of the rest of the games (that i could tell) Matter of a fact, the worst that I ever played was "rock of the 80's" and that was HMX. GH3 was actually pretty cool even though the in disk track list was lame compared to 1 & 2.
As for greatness in game making, the best thing HMX ever came out with was RB. All the rest of their work (sorta) built up to what we have today... nothing more. In the meantime, Neversoft is responsible for the highly popular Tony Hawk's series on top of every GH game expect "rock of the 80's , and Activision is one the biggest and longest running companies in game development. because of this, I completely disagree with you.

[shanew21]

Bcuz Itz Overcharted And I Cant Win On Exprt On 1 Try So Gh Sux And I Cry And Songz Sux And Rb Make Me Win Ez Mode And I Cant Win Ez Mod On Gh So Gh Is Suxor
Ive five starred every song on GHIII (not including bonus) and I still think it sucks

[Bosco32]

Explain this... Activision's response to Harmonix PS3 patch questions (https://activision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/activision.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19652&p_created=1197598466&p_sid=1Rwx849j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9NDAsNDAmcF9wcm9kcz01MDMsNjMxJnBfY2F0cz0 mcF9wdj0yLjYzMSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlc nMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1)

That's in direct contradiction to what you said originally. Activision wants money. Until they get it, they're blocking the PS3 patch.

[darkangel]

That's in direct contradiction to what you said originally. Activision wants money. Until they get it, they're blocking the PS3 patch.

I didnt read anything about money on that.

[Melcene]

I dont get it. GH3 wasnt very different from any of the rest of the games (that i could tell) Matter of a fact, the worst that I ever played was "rock of the 80's" and that was HMX. GH3 was actually pretty cool even though the in disk track list was lame compared to 1 & 2.

I am not understanding this complaint either. I fully agree that Rock the 80s was the worst in the series so far, followed by GH:A (even though I am an Aerosmith fan). I didn't find GH3 to be much different from GH2, and I liked a fair amount of the songs from GH3.

[Bosco32]

I didnt read anything about money on that.

What else would this "agreement" entail?

[darkangel]

What else would this "agreement" entail?

I can not honestly answer that, but I can speculate. It is possible that Activison wanted HMX to back off certain bands, maybe they wanted HMX to change the format of their button configuration rather than implement a patch... I dont know the answer (and those dont really sound reasonable), I only know that money wasn't spoken of, so I wasnt going to assume. what I do know is that there shouldnt be a problem at all and it all goes back to my original argument that Sony is at fault. If the game developers can program their peripherals so other cant use them, then Sony is STILL at fault for letting that happen.

[MooTrain]

I hate Guitar Hero because of threads like this.

[m00p]

It's all the OP's fault.

[Bosco32]

I can not honestly answer that, but I can speculate. It is possible that Activison wanted HMX to back off certain bands, maybe they wanted HMX to change the format of their button configuration rather than implement a patch... I dont know the answer (and those dont really sound reasonable), I only know that money wasn't spoken of, so I wasnt going to assume. what I do know is that there shouldnt be a problem at all and it all goes back to my original argument that Sony is at fault. If the game developers can program their peripherals so other cant use them, then Sony is STILL at fault for letting that happen.

I agree that Sony has responsibilty in this, and the fact that they cowtowed to Activision and left HMX twisting in the wind is probably one of the reasons why RB2 will release on the 360 first. However, it's clearly inaccurate to say it is 100% the fault of the system as you did above. There would be no move for Sony to make had Activision simply not objected to the patch.

[darkangel]

Actually, You're Wrong.

RedOctane's Idea was a "Fake Guitar game" so they were the first to rip off. then Harmonix created the 5-button system which Neversoft stole.


http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15440

Actually, stupid, GH was developed by HMX and Published by Red Octaine... but is an utter rip off of Guitar Freaks, A coin op game developed and published by Konami in 1999. the only thing you got correct is the 5 button system, as Konami used 3 buttons. HMX further STOLE DrumMania from Konami and the system of simultaneous session mode




why doesn't the GH3 Les paul work with GH2 and GH1 for PS2 then??

it does... if you use the Les Paul made for the PS2. Also... The PS2 guitars work for PS3 if you get the attachment so it will hook up to the PS3 via USB (and yes, these is one available). But they only work for the GH series.




Holy ****, that's ****ing stupid "WHY IS EXCLUSIVE DEALS BAD?" for one using IS instead of ARE is really ****ing ******ed.

But "Exclusivity" Deals allow Activision to **** over the customer by not trying to beat the competition by making a better game, not by taking stuff away from the competition

Thanks for the English lesson, now take your medicine...
...and it STILL is not illegal or bad business. You are just pissed because you dont want to spend the extra money. but nobody gets pissed that Sony and Microsoft have exclusive content, XM satellite radio exclusively airs major league baseball, Fox exclusively runs new episodes of their TV lineup... why is Activision a bad business for doing the same? oh yeah... because you dont like it. I read, your post, you are obviously not smart enough to know better anyway.



A higher rate of good music. **** no. the only musically good packs were the Foo Fighters pack and the Classic Rock pack, maybe the Muse pack.

Which happens to be 70% of what they actually released. the rest is a few free tracks and the boss battles. So like I said before... per capita, they are doing better with DLC. thank you for proving my point.



and holy ****, that's ****ing optinional to buy working man.. and it's never been released before dude.

yes as a matter of a fact it has... I bought a cover version several months ago. its the same song, even if it isnt the same band and lacks a little extra guitar work.



I kinda agree but GH's graphics are really ****ing bad when you do notice them.

So are RB's ... who cares?





I agree that Sony has responsibilty in this, and the fact that they cowtowed to Activision and left HMX twisting in the wind is probably one of the reasons why RB2 will release on the 360 first. However, it's clearly inaccurate to say it is 100% the fault of the system as you did above. There would be no move for Sony to make had Activision simply not objected to the patch.

...and there would be no move for Activison to even have to deal with a patch if Sony did the right thing in the first place. Now, Activison says its HMX, HMX says it is Activison and Sony cause this problem in the first place by not instituting a standard... what should we do? pick sides and choose who we would rather believe? I stand by this... if the problem only exists with Sony's console (which it does) then the problem is completely due to Sony's inept decision making skills.

[darkangel]

oh and one more thing to people who are smashing GH3...

Metallica's new album "Death Magnetic" will be released in its entirety to GH3 in September... when is RB or RB2 getting it? We may have to wait for RB2 to get another Metallica song (at all) but at least we can get reissues of Rush while we wait... right?

yick.

the more I think about that stupid Rush song, the more I want to smash my PS3 across someone's face.

[Jixzer]

Explain this... Activision's response to Harmonix PS3 patch questions (https://activision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/activision.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19652&p_created=1197598466&p_sid=1Rwx849j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9NDAsNDAmcF9wcm9kcz01MDMsNjMxJnBfY2F0cz0 mcF9wdj0yLjYzMSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlc nMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1)

Easy. What I said before still holds true. Activision had no choice but to make the 360 LP they way they did. Microsoft standards insured that. Again, Sony has no such standards. Therefore, The LP worked for Rock Band on the 360, but not the PS3. Harmonix wrote a patch, and Activision stopped it. The irony of this whole thing is when Activision states that "Activision is blocking Sony from releasing a patch and their plea to enable Rock Band software to work with Guitar Hero hardware paints a very misleading picture." when the very next paragraph states "Harmonix and its parent company MTV Games/Viacom recently declined Activision's offer to reach an agreement...". In other words, Activision wanted something, money, but make it sound like it's HMX's fault and they did what they could to fix it. ActiMagic...smoke and mirrors. Activision wanted money for work they didn't even do (that's a guess, but I'm betting a damn accurate one). Activision wanted money for use of a peripheral that was created before they even bought Red Octane (it's basically an X-plorer with a face lift) and a patch written by HMX. Activision are scum.



No, you are mixing things up. this isnt a matter of a band locking themselves into a venue, it is the same as them locking themselves into a recording contract. They STILL get their name out their, they still get their recordings heard, they just dont have multiple companies putting out their material. Just like when American Records (at the time Def American) signed The Black Crows (just using a name and company I know off hand) They signed exclusiveness so The Black Crows weren't selling their music to Geffin, Virgin or any other names. The music wasnt limited to the world, the world just had to spend the money to buy the product. Same is true for content in these games.


I guess we could argue this both ways. I'll admit my example wasn't the best, but then yours isn't really the best either, so I'll stay away from the metaphors. I still think exclusivity is bad, on a revenue perspective. Without going into details, I'll simply put that having your music in two games is going to make you more money than having it in only one. Second, based on the contract (and I'm speculating here) if one bombs, there is still a chance the the owner of the failed franchise can (and more than likely will) keep the artist from releasing music to the competitor, due to exclusivity contract. Again...everybody loses.



I dont play (real) guitar, so I have no idea if the charts are accurate... hence why i doubt the complaint. I did notice right away that RB is 1000X easier than GH... but that doesn't make it better. either way, from what i DO know about guitar playing... none of the colored buttons are an accurate portrayal of playing any of the songs anyway. This is why I was so impressed with the drums and haven't picked up the guitar in months.


I do, and GHIII feels off. I'll admit, Rock Band is easier (to me)...but harder isn't necessarily better either. That one is up to the player. And I'll concede to your colored buttons argument...it is only a game. :)




I was speaking of quality per capita. In the time that RB started offering DLC, the amount of quality songs (not just my own opinion, I am going by the level of complaints on this board alone... for example, I hate the Pixies, but I have seen nearly zero complaints about that album... so I dont write it off) is actually higher in GH's favor. While RB may have had more "good" songs out in number, the Pixies album alone is actually more songs than GH has released to date. I came to my conclusion using that average, and also judging that GH put out artists that more people have been begging for over here than RB did.

"Quality per capita" is still based on personal preference. If you go by my preference, the per capita rate would be quite high since I have downloaded a full gross of songs so far (that's 144 for the rest of you ;)) and like every one of them. Complaints on these boards are frivolous at best, and that argument is a little weak since the forums hardly make up 1% of the total players of this game. That and 15 million downloads speaks volumes for what the customers want much more that a relatively small number of complaints on these boards.

Again...my $0.02. You guys must be up to at least a couple of bucks by now. :)

[Black Rain]

Actually, You're Wrong.


RedOctane's Idea was a "Fake Guitar game" so they were the first to rip off. then Harmonix created the 5-button system which Neversoft stole.


http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15440



why doesn't the GH3 Les paul work with GH2 and GH1 for PS2 then??



Holy ****, that's ****ing stupid "WHY IS EXCLUSIVE DEALS BAD?" for one using IS instead of ARE is really ****ing ******ed.

But "Exclusivity" Deals allow Activision to **** over the customer by not trying to beat the competition by making a better game, not by taking stuff away from the competition


Because this **** is randomly charted with **** that shouldn't be there. If I wanted an overcharted song i'd go play the custom GH Goliath songs.

A higher rate of good music. **** no. the only musically good packs were the Foo Fighters pack and the Classic Rock pack, maybe the Muse pack.

and holy ****, that's ****ing optinional to buy working man.. and it's never been released before dude.


I kinda agree but GH's graphics are really ****ing bad when you do notice them.


Nice job you have successfully proved yourself ignorant, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.


This is the reason why kids should not be allowed to be off their medication at any time, lol@you getting all mad and bent out of shape over what somebody posted, chill out dude.

[kiggidykev]

It has a lot of downsides compared to RB2, in my opinion, but I'm still excited as hell to see what the tracklist for GH:WT will be. We're planning to pick up the disc for GH:WT anyway, after we get the whole kit for RB2.

[madfalcon]

It's just really lacking as a game, and it's made by the same company that made the old awesome Tony Hawk games and ruined it, Guitar Hero is following suit.

[Eman311]

Yeah, why does everyone hate Guitar Hero?
I've got nothing against Guitar Hero. Rock Band is just MUCH better.

[Captain_Cool]

Here is what I think of the whole mess
I fear Neversoft is going to run the Guitar Hero franchise into the ground because Activision/Neversoft have only had the Guitar Hero License since Summer (?) 2006 and already they've made GHIII, GH Mobile, GH: Aerosmith, GH: On Tour (DS), and the upcoming GH: World Tour, not to mention GH: Metallica, GH: On Tour: Decades, and the inevitable GH Mobile 2.
Thats 7 (or 8 if GH:M2 exists) Guitar Hero titles by Activision by Spring '09, while Harmonix will have only 2 Rock Band titles.
And before you say "Well, GH80's sucked!" GH:80's was not very good because Harmonix had to make one more game for Activision before they're contract with them was up, so they rushed it to work on RB.