Ion Kit Question Cymbal for Red Pad?

[Domorin]

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knows if I would be able to somehow hook up a cymbal that corresponds to the red pad of the Ion kit. I ask because I'm a lefty and the red pad is my crash cymbal, and it would kind of suck if I was not able to actually use a cymbal for that.

Thanks.

[0tj]

I'm pretty sure that they put ports on all of the pads(note "pretty sure", not OMG CONFIRMED!!!11!!!). I will probably make one cymbal myself so I can play a whole song on the cymbals:D.

[Darkfalz]

I'm pretty sure you can setup the pads and cymbals any way you want.

Each pad and cymbal plugs into a socket in the drum brain, so you simply plug a cymbal into the socket you want it to trigger in game.

You can arrange it anyway you want.

[Frederf]

Nope, there are 8 ports in the ION kit (from left to right):
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/07/rb2_ion8.jpg

1. Red Drum
2. Yellow Drum
3. Yellow Cymbal
4. Pedal

5. Blue Drum
6. Blue Cymbal
7. Green Drum
8. Green Cymbal

[Elmer's Glue]

That would suck really hard if they don't let the setup switch for lefties, but I wouldn't be surprised. Us left-handers getting shafted yet again...

[lovekeiiy]

Since it's like a real e-drum kit, you should be able to mount pads and symbols that fit a lefty. The question is really are the cords long enough to reach the Ion/RB brain. I'm assuming they will be.

[Avenged GFX]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but with the ion drum kit if the cymbals are the same colors as the pads does that mean that you would ''never'' need to used the cymbals and could just use the pads the whole song for every song?

[iagomonk]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but with the ion drum kit if the cymbals are the same colors as the pads does that mean that you would ''never'' need to used the cymbals and could just use the pads the whole song for every song?

Correct. It's just a second way to input the same note. You could also for example, play a "roll" by alternating hits between your pad and symbol

[Avenged GFX]

oh ok thanks...Thats pretty cool though.

[Krakenheds]

I used their ask a question link to ask about the red cymbol lefty switch thing and have yet to hear back from them, but looking at that pic, it doesn't look good for lefties.

[ForgottenHero]

Also, what about righties and songs like RttH or Orange Crush? These use the red pad as the hi-hat so it'll kinda stink to use the pads while you have cymbals right above you.

[benson111]

Also, what about righties and songs like RttH or Orange Crush? These use the red pad as the hi-hat so it'll kinda stink to use the pads while you have cymbals right above you.

Coulb be hot swapped during the loading screen, swap the red pad for the yellow cymbol, and play it sight wise.... right?

[ForgottenHero]

Well that is what this topic is about, will there be an input for the red drum for a cymbal? If there is an input then lefties are not being excluded because then they can swap their green cymbal (their snare) and put it in the red one. That isn't the question though, it's whether or not the red can have a cymbal or not.

[benson111]

Well that is what this topic is about, will there be an input for the red drum for a cymbal? If there is an input then lefties are not being excluded because then they can swap their green cymbal (their snare) and put it in the red one. That isn't the question though, it's whether or not the red can have a cymbal or not.

I would say more than likely not ( other than swapping the red pad for the yellow cymbal during game play (loading screen) since there are only 8 inputs on the current x-box brain for the ion kit. kinda sucks cause there isnt an input for a double bass pedal . but the kit looks great..

[sarysa]

It's not just a problem for lefties. Here's a video of RttH on real drums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtQLoTlmxnQ

And you'll also notice in RttH you can miss lots of red notes, unlike reaper where you go down fast. That means it uses a cymbal, not the snare.

So technically we can't do an authentic RttH on the ion kit. :/

I hope they add a port or something before they ship these out...

[benson111]

I guess no-one really gets the idea that you can swap the pads/cymals around you can even pause the game and swap the red for the yellow cymbal, or is that to much work to remember? you can swap any pad/cymbal to where ever you want. so affectivily this is not an issue. at all.

[DaKimbo Slice]

i was watching a video from e3 and the people said you earned more by using the cymbal. is there any truth to that?

[Ecko Elite]

i was watching a video from e3 and the people said you earned more by using the cymbal. is there any truth to that?

I doubt that will be true for score. But maybe it will slightly affect your rock meter or something along.

[ForgottenHero]

I guess no-one really gets the idea that you can swap the pads/cymals around you can even pause the game and swap the red for the yellow cymbal, or is that to much work to remember? you can swap any pad/cymbal to where ever you want. so affectivily this is not an issue. at all.

Dude ok! This is what we're asking! So the red drum will have an input for cymbals? Do you have a link?

[Anayalata]

Dude ok! This is what we're asking! So the red drum will have an input for cymbals? Do you have a link?
What he means, is that for example, You can take the Yellow Cymbal cable and plug it into the Red pad input. You'd be hitting the Yellow Cymbal, but the game would think you're hitting the Red Pad.
It doesn't mean that the Red will have a cymbal input, it just means you have to switch cables around for songs like Orange Crush and Run to the Hills. (if you want to play it using the cymbal)

[ForgottenHero]

Switch cables around? So you have to do like a homemade mod?

[Frederf]

Yeah you can always plug a cymbal into the "Red Drum" port and play high hat red notes. I don't know if all the songs that pull the "red high hat" trick don't switch back and forth in the middle of the song.

[Rokkstar]

Technically, red is never cymbol from what I know.

I've never hit red and it be a cymbol or muted crash or anything. I play right handedly of course. Maybe you can just lefty flip it and hook everything in reverse.

[Lenown]

On the bass pedal Ion said they was going to release a thing for the Ion kit that will make it have a double bass. And on the cymble it would be mighty weird to cross arms to hit the red pad from the yellow cymble.

[Frederf]

Technically, red is never cymbal from what I know.

I've never hit red and it be a cymbol or muted crash or anything. I play right-handedly of course. Maybe you can just lefty flip it and hook everything in reverse.

Take a look at Run to the Hills or Everlong. It's high hat on red all the way. And from what I've gathered proper cross-arm play would be to have an elevated hat on the left on red and a depressed yellow drum for the snare.

With the ION kit you can just plug the yellow cymbal into the red pad jack and physically move it over to the left and you're golden. If the song switches in setup half way through you have to pause and adjust your setup to compensate which would be bogus.

The lefty flip solution means that the "cymbal gap" is now in a new place. Sure now you're playing RTTH on blue/green physical pads which have associated cymbals, but now red over there doesn't have one. You need red and green to have cymbals at the same time and lefty flip just doesn't make that happen.

The best way to deal with this I think it's for a menu option for "Have the yellow cymbal actually hit red notes instead" provided by the devs. That would provide a solution, albeit less elegant. Why they didn't have an expansion port in every pad is beyond me.

[Nobak]

I guess no-one really gets the idea that you can swap the pads/cymals around you can even pause the game and swap the red for the yellow cymbal, or is that to much work to remember? you can swap any pad/cymbal to where ever you want. so affectivily this is not an issue. at all.

Maybe it's a practical solution to you.

I'm not very interested in pausing the game 6 times to switch cymbals while playing Limelight.

[Anayalata]

Switch cables around? So you have to do like a homemade mod?
Not a mod, if you take a look at the picture... http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/07/rb2_ion8.jpg
All the connections are labeled, a little hard to read, but you can kind of make it out.
Not like those wires are glued in, you just have to switch 'em around.
Or just play with Toms only, which is what I'll probably end up doing in Limelight and RttH, etc.

[benson111]

What he means, is that for example, You can take the Yellow Cymbal cable and plug it into the Red pad input. You'd be hitting the Yellow Cymbal, but the game would think you're hitting the Red Pad.
It doesn't mean that the Red will have a cymbal input, it just means you have to switch cables around for songs like Orange Crush and Run to the Hills. (if you want to play it using the cymbal)

Exactly. but if it seems to much, just play the pads on those songs and dont mess with the oriontaion<spelling

All pads can be moved to wherever you want them, cable plugins as well.

[Ldog12395]

if u plug the yellow cymbal into the red pad slot, then what if you have a fill or w/e like in RTTH where it goes from red-yellow-blue-green then start the pattern again. this is confusing me

[Anayalata]

if u plug the yellow cymbal into the red pad slot, then what if you have a fill or w/e like in RTTH where it goes from red-yellow-blue-green then start the pattern again. this is confusing me
That's where the flaw in this method is.
You'd have to start the fill (i.e. Red roll) on the yellow cymbal, seeing as it would be plugged into the red pad input, and then work your way down. Also in songs like Everlong, where it's a roll almost the whole time then it changes to regular format (Red = Snare, Yellow = Hi-hat), you'd have to hit the Yellow cymbal as the snare, etc. etc.
But I don't see what the problem is in just sticking with what you've been doing since RB1 came out, which is to just use the 4 toms for songs like that.
Unless Ion comes up with a nifty solution, like releasing something that allows you to plug in 2 things into the red pad input.

[davidshek]

something that allows you to plug in 2 things into the red pad input.

Any 1/4" mono Y-splitter should do the trick. Sure, you wouldn't be able to hit both the red pad and red cymbal at the same time (for the same reason the headphone splitter double-bass thing doesn't work now), but why would you ever want to? :)

[Anayalata]

Any 1/4" mono Y-splitter should do the trick. Sure, you wouldn't be able to hit both the red pad and red cymbal at the same time (for the same reason the headphone splitter double-bass thing doesn't work now), but why would you ever want to? :)
The only reason it didn't work for double pedal was because when you held one down, it closed the circuit right?
But technically if you're using it for Pads, not like you're holding down the pad... That hurt my brain.
But I hope you're right, just switch over the Crash or Ride and you're set.

[davidshek]

But I hope you're right, just switch over the Crash or Ride and you're set.

I was thinking more along the lines of, while the song is loading, unplug the yellow cymbal from the controller module and plug it into the Red splitter. :)

That way you would still have your red and yellow pads connected correctly for fills and whatnot. The only change would be that the hi-hat cymbal is now red instead of yellow.

[zerofan]

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knows if I would be able to somehow hook up a cymbal that corresponds to the red pad of the Ion kit. I ask because I'm a lefty and the red pad is my crash cymbal, and it would kind of suck if I was not able to actually use a cymbal for that.

Thanks.

I believe the ports are located at the back of the drum kit but from what I understand, you can physically put the cymbals anywhere you want..left, right , or middle.

[Archaicbereft]

you can route the inputs however you want, you could lead what should be your red pad to your green cymbal if that's what floats your boat.

[Anayalata]

I was thinking more along the lines of, while the song is loading, unplug the yellow cymbal from the controller module and plug it into the Red splitter. :)

That way you would still have your red and yellow pads connected correctly for fills and whatnot. The only change would be that the hi-hat cymbal is now red instead of yellow.
I see your logic... Though songs that switch back and forth, like Everlong and Limelight are gonna be pretty tricky.
Meh, all in due time.

Maybe buying 2 additional Cymbals and using a y-spillter on the red = 4 cymbals 4 toms?
though that's upwards of $450... jesus.

[Frederf]

What if you hooked up a 2nd pedal to dynamically swap whether the yellow cymbal operated the yellow cymbal port or the red drum port. Kind of like a high hat pedal where depending on where the pedal was it would either be everything normal or cymbal operates red.

[Ryder35]

The more I read about this the more convinced I am that HMX have a solution to this that they are not communicating yet. AFAIK virtually all the demos at E3 were done wothout cymabals which seems a bit odd. Also why would they chart Everlong like that knowing that they have no cymbal for the red pad?

My guess is that the game will detect the presence of cymbals and adjust the chart accordingly.

[Rokkstar]

You can probably just change the cymbol hook up I believe that you slide a diskette on the cymbol for the color anyway.

[Ryder35]

There is no extra input for you to plug a cymbAl into the red pad.