Next To You finally FCed on vox

[HellishFiend]

by none other than BillTVShow himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlrutz8pvd8

Come say a few words Bill!

[Eman311]

the things that excite some people............

[Charged]

Dont see how you can take any satisfaction from FCing any song when you sound like an exact clone of Wall-E and you aren't even singing

[WhiffleBallTony]

I didn't know it had never been FCed...

[Artemecien]

Broken talkie.

Although not-so-broken now.

[Han Daimond]

But... how?!

Also, that talkie part is not broken on the PS2. (dunno if it also applies to the Wii)

[A New Pyro Fool]

People who hum ruin the point of the game.

My respect for BillTVShow has just dropped by 1000000 points.

[HellishFiend]

People who hum ruin the point of the game.

My respect for BillTVShow has just dropped by 1000000 points.

I dont blame him at all for humming in this particular instance. It's not like he does it all the time.

[ADiiDAS]

Wow this is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

1. Your not even singing? How can you be proud of cheating your way to a FC?
2. Why are you sitting in a closet?

Im sorry but damn.

[Charged]

I dont blame him at all for humming in this particular instance. It's not like he does it all the time.

Uh, yeah, he does.

[Anayalata]

I had no idea humming was considered cheating in the world of singing.

To me that like saying using the lower buttons on the Strat is cheating since u don't have to strum, but meh.

I think that it's really cool that he can control the pitch of his voice so well.

[simmias]

Pathetic. I wanted to see him actually hit that Owwww, not blabber about how much he's shaking because he just accomplished the greatest achievement of his sad life.

[sparki1980]

I had no idea humming was considered cheating in the world of singing.

Well it's humming... it's not singing. Doing so demeans the triumph of FCing the song... But I did find a redeeming factor in that vid, it was pretty funny, it sounded like my dog whimpering at my cat, especially when he was activating overdrive. I started laughing.

I may have little respect for Bill's ability to sing (it's the only vid I've seen of him, so I don't know what he does on other songs)... but his ability to make me laugh was pretty good.

And while using the lower fret buttons may not require the same skill as playing the higher ones, you can only not strum during solos (not the whole song) AND you at least need timing. Bill didn't even break humming btwn words, to make it seem like he was trying to hum to the beat. But, I don't have a RB strat... I have to strum.

AND on a real guitar an artist doesn't need to strum.. But I'd be pretty pissed if I want to a concert and heard the lead singer Wall-E'ing it.

[dogfoodnyc]

Well it's humming... it's not singing. Doing so demeans the triumph of FCing the song... But I did find a redeeming factor in that vid, it was pretty funny, it sounded like my dog whimpering at my cat, especially when he was activating overdrive. I started laughing.

I may have little respect for Bill's ability to sing (it's the only vid I've seen of him, so I don't know what he does on other songs)... but his ability to make me laugh was pretty good.

And while using the lower fret buttons may not require the same skill as playing the higher ones, you can only not strum during solos (not the whole song) AND you at least need timing. Bill didn't even break humming btwn words, to make it seem like he was trying to hum to the beat. But, I don't have a RB strat... I have to strum.

AND on a real guitar an artist doesn't need to strum.. But I'd be pretty pissed if I want to a concert and heard the lead singer Wall-E'ing it.


Then please go visit his Youtube channel and watch a few of his videos. I'd recommend Interstate Love Song.

As far as him humming during this video, he just did not want to mess up the rest of the song because the "ow" in Next To You is almost impossible to get an "Awesome". I am sure you know the feeling of "I can't believe I just messed up on something I always get". Well, hopefully this makes sense.

[chillzatl]

I had no idea humming was considered cheating in the world of singing.

To me that like saying using the lower buttons on the Strat is cheating since u don't have to strum, but meh.

I think that it's really cool that he can control the pitch of his voice so well.

so lets just get out our casio keyboards and use them to hit the vocal notes for us... same thing..

[foolosophy]

This is why I enjoy playing with friends who don't give a **** about FC's or score. It's just a major buzzkill when people decide to focus on nailing pitch, instead of you know actually singing the song. Congrats to Bill I guess, if you can consider hitting the most glitchy talkie in the game an achievement. I don't mean to rock the boat for anyone who's into that competitive stuff. But come on, I think everyone can agree it's mega lame to hum. I'd rather get 3 stars and rock my lungs out than get an FC, it feels much more accomplishing.

[WildBillKickoff]

This is the equivalent of a drummer 100%'ing Run To The Hills, or a guitar or bass player 100%'ing GG&HT. The fact that these songs are played on a plastic instrument is irrelevant; what is relevant is that those accomplishments are things that NO ONE has ever done before, (or, in the case of RttH, one or two people in the world, none in solo tour), and NO ONE has ever FC'ed the entire on-disc setlist for any instrument.

Put in context, this basically makes Billtvshow the best RB player at his instrument, across all instruments.

Also, there's a huge difference between singing for score and singing for real-- I've created a thread on ScoreHero to show what people can do when they're not concerned about an FC-- if you want to see some RB vocalists showing off their real talent, click here:

http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11205

[MooTrain]

HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
HmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMmmMmmmMmmmmm
HmmmMmmMmmMMMmmMMmmmmMMmmmMMm

(*Sorry. That was me singing my response. Translated: Grats on beating the game.*)

[Punkrockdrummer]

Lots of haters. Criticize all you want, but he did something you guys couldn't. Humming or not, its impressive.

[TthevoiceE]

Lots of haters. Criticize all you want, but he did something you guys couldn't. Humming or not, its impressive.


your right, its not impressive. the point is too sing, maybe noone can SING fc that song because its *gasp* hard? and everyones excuse is *Omfg cents we no does it, it glitch!*

Step your game up.


Then please go visit his Youtube channel and watch a few of his videos. I'd recommend Interstate Love Song.


The easiest song in the game too sing? i can even do that on expert, and when i sing its usually on medium.

I also do Welcome home Expert Vocs and guitar (at the same time). is that suppost too be impressive?

if he actually sings the rest of the stuff cool, but humming your way through a song is like saying *im gonna use a program to hit all the buttons for me on drums and guitar to FC songs that noone else has* and calling it impressive. just not :/

[simmias]

Lots of haters. Criticize all you want, but he did something you guys couldn't. Humming or not, its impressive.
I'm not hating on the humming. I'm hating on his "OMG I can die now" level of excitement. It's rather comical. I'm also hating on the fact that he started recording AFTER he hit the impossible-to-hit talkie. I want to know how he did it.

[dogfoodnyc]

The easiest song in the game too sing? i can even do that on expert, and when i sing its usually on medium.

I also do Welcome home Expert Vocs and guitar (at the same time). is that suppost too be impressive?

if he actually sings the rest of the stuff cool, but humming your way through a song is like saying *im gonna use a program to hit all the buttons for me on drums and guitar to FC songs that noone else has* and calling it impressive. just not :/

What I meant on Interstate Love Song is for you to listen to his singing ability but not watch him FC/100% the song. He has a very good singing voice and that was my point.

[Punkrockdrummer]

I'm not hating on the humming. I'm hating on his "OMG I can die now" level of excitement. It's rather comical. I'm also hating on the fact that he started recording AFTER he hit the impossible-to-hit talkie. I want to know how he did it.

People are allowed to be exited.

As for why he recorded after it, I'm sure he didn't anticipate hitting a broken part of the song, and when he did,he wanted to record the rest to show that he did.

[TthevoiceE]

Than why didnt he just sing!? thats the point of the game!

and if he does have a good singing voice, than thats awsome, because thats somthing i wish i had!

i think people go overboard for *FCing* and stuff like that.

[Punkrockdrummer]

Than why didnt he just sing!? thats the point of the game!

and if he does have a good singing voice, than thats awsome, because thats somthing i wish i had!

i think people go overboard for *FCing* and stuff like that.

Singing or humming, your are still controlling your PITCH, which is all that counts, really.

[MarkMadness]

Wtf is your problems? Hating on the fact he hummed the rest of the song. I guess that makes it real easy to fc, so you can go do it now before you talk again. "Oh he hummed it, that doesnt count. I can do that." No, you ****ing cant.

[HellishFiend]

I created this topic to celebrate his accomplishment, not to discuss the validity of it...

That's life though, I bet when RttH is inevitably FCed on a modded kit, people will diminish that accomplishment too by saying that they werent using the original, unmodded kit.

[zerofan]

by none other than BillTVShow himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlrutz8pvd8

Come say a few words Bill!

Seriously, how is that fun? Humming along just to beat a song on Expert....I dont know about most people, but I only sing songs I can handle vocally on levels I can handle....is it really that exciting to beat a song on a difficult level when you never even really sang a word of it? Awful! But if it floats your boat then hey, good for you!

[Ultrace]

Singing or humming, your are still controlling your PITCH, which is all that counts, really.
On the one hand, I agree that to the game and scoring, controlling the pitch is all that counts. On the other hand, since it's much easier to control your pitch through humming (where all you need to worry about is the pitch coming from your vocal cords, and not any enunciation of words), it's a diminished achievement.

I didn't really know that this part of Next to You was broken; I sing most songs on Hard and that song not very often. While his achievement of 100% the song on Expert is good, I think the thing many people here will be waiting for is for someone to 100% the song while singing.

[Artemecien]

To all the haters:
If you managed to hit a part of the song that noone had previously hit before,are you genuinely telling me you wouldn't ensure that you managed to complete the rest of the song to the best of your ability and 100% it?

Whilst I totally agree humming is a hysterical thing to be doing,and I hope to jesus I never turn so obssessed about score as that,this guy hummed to get what noone else could. It's a fair exception,and what he does outside of this video is nothing to do with it.

I congratulate you on this achievement,even if I have no idea how you managed to do it.

[Izzy]

Please watch his other videos! He Has 215 Firsts on XBL.

[Pengwyns]

I don't think anyone in this thread realizes that the accomplishment is not the humming through the song. Rather it is hitting the Ow phrase, which has not been hit by anyone on ScoreHero since the game came out. Not a single person in about 8 months. That is the accomplishment, not the rest of the song.

[cdylan13]

On the one hand, I agree that to the game and scoring, controlling the pitch is all that counts. On the other hand, since it's much easier to control your pitch through humming (where all you need to worry about is the pitch coming from your vocal cords, and not any enunciation of words), it's a diminished achievement.

I didn't really know that this part of Next to You was broken; I sing most songs on Hard and that song not very often. While his achievement of 100% the song on Expert is good, I think the thing many people here will be waiting for is for someone to 100% the song while singing.

You guys don't ****ing get it do you? Are you that oblivious? You can't sing broken talkies! If you guys had half a brain about the game you were playing you wouldn't be *****ing. Its funny how people will make all kinds of mods and stuff for guitar and drums and its fine, yet youre crucifying him for doing the only possible thing to fc the song. I don't know what to say, except that you guys are ****ing clueless.

[Apples]

Pretty harsh responses. After confronting that broken talky part myself, and the amount of retrys he's probably put into it, I'd get sick of it and hum my way through too.

Bill is a standup guy... celebrate someone finally defeated the "OW!"

[Mystakin]

The level of negativity in this thread is astounding. Have we really moved so far away from the score hunt that people can't even congratulate the first person to FC all the songs on disc on any instrument.

The point of this thread isn't that Bill hummed part of Next To You. He just hit a part of the song that's never been hit before. A part that was thought to be impossible(think hitting Guitar Solo 2E in Green Grass and High Tides, or if you nailed the improv drum fills from Young Man Blues). Checking his other videos shows that he has a terrific singing voice, has plenty of "dubs" where he records a score and sings over it, and even when he sings for score he typically sings better than half the community.

I stopped going here a while ago, and threads like these remind me why I did. This makes the Rock Band community look like a group of people that can't handle patting someone on the back for doing a good job. Instead, they have to nitpick away at his technique to rob him of any enjoyment of his accomplishment. If this community can't handle someone else doing well, than I'm ashamed to be part of that.

EDIT:: To think I almost fell prey to the very things I criticized. Great job Bill at doing the impossible. I'm anxious to see more videos from you, and maybe an "ow" tutorial or something.

[Artonos]

Amazing accomplishment.

for all you morons for saying "lolhehummed" watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQtb6s5LB9E
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-F5u8poOhM

Billtv could win American Idol and it wouldn't be fair. I think he would have had the be out of his mind if he did not hum the rest of the song. It would have been 100% crazy to not. So shut up you haters and congratulate him on this epic accomplishment
(p.s. if humming makes this so much easier why don't you FC the song?)

[nivlac]

The pure stupidity of some of the people in this thread embarrasses me as a human being. This is exactly why I don't visit here very often. You just can't let him have his moment in the sun, can you?

The plain and simple fact is Bill has sung many, many songs in a normal singing voice and still managed to FC them all. The fact that he dropped down to humming just for this song, just so he wouldn't eff up his magical run is a moot point and takes nothing away from this feat.

As a fellow Scorehero member, I *get* the scope of this accomplishment and it's an impressive one. Well done, sir. Now let's see you do it again :)

The rest of you may wish to take some friendly advice. If you don't have anything nice to say, then shut the eff up.

[hoss]

huh.....congrats on the ahievement but its still weak due to humming....i hear what you all had said with the solo buttons or a modded drum kit or whatever but the fact that he is that excited and full of himself with humming the rest song is just silly...

hate to blaspheme by bringing up guitar hero in the forum but when chris beat ttfaf on his video i didnt see a 2.5minute celebration about cheating his way through the easy parts and i didnt see it in super slomo at the end either like on bills video....

i subscribe to bills youtube channel and i agree he has a wonderful singing voice ( i wish i was half as talented)just wished he would have used it to achieve his goal...

i sing on expert myself and i agree that the fact that he hit the "unhittable" ow is very very very impressive but i think what people are saying is he good enough, 1 to finish this song with his amazing voice ( as he has proven he can in ALL his other videos) and 2 that really cheating the rest of the song is only like half beating it...

p.s. the fact that you can attack someone with a negative take on the his accomplishment shows just as much silliness (sp) as the person doing the attacking themself...the old saying "sinking to your level" comes to mind.

[BStu78]

Hitting the OW there is the important part. Look, this is, to a degree, what maximizing your score on Vocals is going to be about. I'm sure all the top vox players make some concession to style in order to max out their score. Squeezing on activations and during overdrive takes a lot of focus when you're singing. When I finally got to be able to FC a song on expert and used the optimal path, I was a little disenchanted to what I thought was my best effort on squeezing only netted me a 100-way tie for 30th or something. In truth, I wasn't maxing out anything. Yeah, it might not be perfect singing, but you still have to respect the people pulling out the top scores and FC's on expert vox. Guitarists aren't playing guitar, either, but I still respect what they are achieving. Humming meets in input needs of the game. Anyone who has sung on Rock Band has resorted to humming and slurred speech at some point. Indeed, I'm pretty sure I still slur my way through Next To You.

Congrats Bill.

[jtrousd]

He sounds like one of those little yapper dogs whenever he goes to engage overdrive. :P

[OakTea]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before...

But isn't it possible that he got that talkie glitch, that makes any talkie fill up the circle instantly even if you make any sort of noise?

If so, it's much less impressive. But I thought it was FC'd already.. I thought I'd seen it on scorehero... Well, I never checked for proof, so oh well.

EDIT: Wow, people are really complaining. It's sorta' pathetic. I mean, the accomplishment is hitting the Oww, and we don't know exactly how he got that... But doing it at all is an accomplishment. It was viewed as one of those impossible things, like the fast strumming solo of Green Grass and High Tides, or any of those mad fills in Young Man Blues.

On the note of humming = cheating... It makes the game easier, but it's not exactly cheating. It's a method of playing the game in a way that it'll boost your score, taking advantage of, but not actually abusing the mechanics of the game.

The equivalent on guitar would probably be something like getting someone else to control your whammy/star power activation while you hit all the notes, but that's sort of a stretch. Though I'll use it because, while you're hitting the pitch (half the trouble), someone else (the game) is doing the rest of the trouble for you; which is singing the words themselves.

The equivalent on drums would be sitting through fills and waiting for a different activation to either..
A. Cover up hard fills/combo breakers (Say It Ain't So comes to mind) for an easier FC/higher percentage, or..
B. Save OD for a different activation path.

Now, B is arguable because some will tell you that that is how the game is supposed to be played, but in this case, you're playing the game, not playing the song... Which seems to be what people have trouble with. When he hums, he's playing the game, not singing the song. That's why he hummed to finish of his FC, and presumably sings most of the time when he plays.

I would certainly like to hear how he got the Owww, though. But I bet he just got the glitch.. Not to mock his achievement, 'cause it really is a great one. But without hearing it, I find it hard to believe that he got it without a little helping hand.
(the fact that we can't see the Oww part, which of course isn't his fault, makes it harder to believe. Hopefully he can get it again, sans glitch!)

[MarkMadness]

only half an accomplishment really if you ask me....

Shut up. My god. Then you do it. Seriously, this is beyond pathetic. Criticizing him for humming? Lmao. He hit the impossible part of the song and wanted to make sure that he finished the run without messing up. Also, I saw a comment earlier about this is fake because its humming and that its the greatest goal in his sad life.
Wow, I bet you have an awesome life, sitting on your computer and bashing a guy that has achieved what many ppl thought to be impossible.

[frizzy_bj]

Amazing accomplishment.

for all you morons for saying "lolhehummed" watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQtb6s5LB9E
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-F5u8poOhM

Billtv could win American Idol and it wouldn't be fair. I think he would have had the be out of his mind if he did not hum the rest of the song. It would have been 100% crazy to not. So shut up you haters and congratulate him on this epic accomplishment
(p.s. if humming makes this so much easier why don't you FC the song?)

WOW! Bill's singing voice was amazing in Interstate Love Song. I love the way he harmonized with the actual singer of the song. AMAZING!:)

As for defeating the "Ow" in "Next to You", I congratulate you, Bill. I have been trying so hard to nail that part, but have been unsuccessful.

[BStu78]

hate to blaspheme by bringing up guitar hero in the forum but when chris beat ttfaf on his video i didnt see a 2.5minute celebration about cheating his way through the heasy parts and i didnt see it in super slomo at the end either like on bills video....

I'd regard humming as something similar to tapping, actually. Both are valid, if slightly unconventional, ways to provide the required input. Humming certainly isn't as bad as letting a couch hit the talky parts. That, I find questionable. Humming or slurred singing seem fine.

And really, all the "too cool for school" types who rag on guys like Bill or Chris for being excited when playing this game, please just take a break from kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and just let other people have fun and enjoy themselves. Honestly, get over yourself. We all have celebrated after achieving something while playing Rock Band. If you haven't, then I'm not going to even bother coming up with a joke about how sad that is because you won't laugh anyway.

[cdylan13]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before...

But isn't it possible that he got that talkie glitch, that makes any talkie fill up the circle instantly even if you make any sort of noise?

If so, it's much less impressive. But I thought it was FC'd already.. I thought I'd seen it on scorehero... Well, I never checked for proof, so oh well.
If you watch his video you can see the pie fill up. On the glitch it fills up so fast you can't even see it move.

[nivlac]

...please just take a break from kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies...
:D Made me lol.

[moneyp]

Whatever. Congrats on getting the FC. I think people get too caught up in this highest score stuff. It's just numbers in a game.

The singing on Interstate Love Song is more impressive. What a voice!

[frizzy_bj]

I'd regard humming as someone similar to tapping, actually. Both are valid, if slightly unconventional, ways to provide the required input. Humming certainly isn't as bad as letting a couch hit the talky parts. That, I find questionable. Humming or slurred singing seem fine.

And really, all the "too cool for school" types who rag on guys like Bill or Chris for being excited when playing this game, please just take a break from kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and just let other people have fun and enjoy themselves. Honestly, get over yourself. We all have celebrated after achieving something while playing Rock Band. If you haven't, then I'm not going to even bother coming up with a joke about how sad that is because you won't laugh anyway.


You should see me when I GS/FC something that I have been trying for weeks/months/forever to defeat. It makes Bill's reaction look like disappointment. LOL.:D

[Billtvshow]

Just to put this into context.
I've probably sang this song 100+ times up to the point of the "Ow" and many times beyond.
I can FC everything in the song with regular singing except the "Ow" under normal circumstances on demand. Easily. And have done so numerous times.
But given the amount of times this song has been attempted by top vocalists and that I finally managed to hit that broken piece of crap talky, I was under quite a bit of pressure to finish out and FC the song. While on one hand I would have liked to have done this while singing it so that wouldn't be a point of negativity against it, I was not about to squander a one in a thousand run. The point is, outside of this run, I have fc'ed everything, but the "Ow" with normal singing many times. The humming was just added insurance, as I was understandably jittery. Even humming it I almost missed twice. Anyways, my apologies to anyone who feels less of me for the way I finished the song. I can't really defend that decision any more than that, nor will I try. I have a couple of "in game" audio videos up on YouTube that you can check out if want to hear me sing "in game", including a Young Man Blues FC run, which is about the hardest singing song in the game.

[moneyp]

And I would like a Youtube video of someone five-starring Heroes on Expert, if ya please. Freakin' song.

[HellishFiend]

Just to put this into context.
I've probably sang this song 100+ times up to the point of the "Ow" and many times beyond.
I can FC everything in the song with regular singing except the "Ow" under normal circumstances on demand. Easily. And have done so numerous times.
But given the amount of times this song has been attempted by top vocalists and that I finally managed to hit that broken piece of crap talky, I was under quite a bit of pressure to finish out and FC the song. While on one hand I would have liked to have done this while singing it so that wouldn't be a point of negativity against it, I was not about to squander a one in a thousand run. The point is, outside of this run, I have fc'ed everything, but the "Ow" with normal singing many times. The humming was just added insurance, as I was understandably jittery. Even humming it I almost missed twice. Anyways, my apologies to anyone who feels less of me for the way I finished the song. I can't really defend that decision any more than that, nor will I try. I have a couple of "in game" audio videos up on YouTube that you can check out if want to hear me sing "in game", including a Young Man Blues FC run, which is about the hardest singing song in the game.

Well said. And sorry for starting a topic that seemed to turn into a bashfest.. At least some of us understand! :)

[simmias]

Also, I saw a comment earlier about this is fake because its humming and that its the greatest goal in his sad life.
Really, is this what we've come to? The forum police won't let us use hyperbole to make fun of the guy hyperventilating in his closet?

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to kick some puppies.

P.S. I never said it's fake because he's humming.
P.P.S. I definitely did use hyperbole. I thought it was merited.
P.P.P.S. Get a job.

[hoss]

I'd regard humming as someone similar to tapping, actually. Both are valid, if slightly unconventional, ways to provide the required input. Humming certainly isn't as bad as letting a couch hit the talky parts. That, I find questionable. Humming or slurred singing seem fine.

And really, all the "too cool for school" types who rag on guys like Bill or Chris for being excited when playing this game, please just take a break from kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and just let other people have fun and enjoy themselves. Honestly, get over yourself. We all have celebrated after achieving something while playing Rock Band. If you haven't, then I'm not going to even bother coming up with a joke about how sad that is because you won't laugh anyway.

should read the whole post bud....i am not saying that i disagree that his celebration warranted....he did attained the unattainable!!! i am saying that for me it is only half full....

just my take but that makes me an a**hole right...and if you were a person who was racists and i said i hate racists that would make me and a**hole for not haveing the same racist point of view as you right...based on your logic?

what about the guy 1 place above you on the leaderboard because he hummed EVERY song..... or maybe half of the original 58.....for me that guy is only half as good as the you when you SANG them all....just like humming half the song is only half as good as someone whole sang the whole thing (ps in regards to the ow i would say it is 3/4 as good ;)) there's some jacka** that posts on youtube all the time that shows videos of humming every song or some jack** that shows how to "rub out" a phrase with his pants....those scores are the ones that you a guy who sings like what was originally intended have to compete against.is that fair for you?if you gave a care about you place on the board....i play it to have fun or else i would be pretty upset myself...

i have seen ALL his videos and watch them regularly since i bought this game but i am still disapointed because i KNOW he can do it legit but opted for the easier way out.

ps. as a person who owns 3 dogs....a foster parent for 9 rescued dogs and a voluntary dog sitter for my local vet, i would ask that you rethink you attacks on someone or once again you are just as bad as the A** you are attacking!!!!!

[OakTea]

If you watch his video you can see the pie fill up. On the glitch it fills up so fast you can't even see it move.

I don't remember there being any talkies after the Oww in the song. Doesn't the talkie glitch only affect the talkies? That's what I'd read...

EDIT: Great job on the Young Man Blues FC, though! Really helpful.

[The Hungry Samurai]

Congrats. I understand your choice for humming. I never payed much attention to the leaderboards and never noticed that Ow glitch before but it's good to see it could be conquered, and while you singing it would have been much cooler, I doubt anyone would have been impressed by a video of you just getting the Ow and not FC'ing the song. Hopefully the next time you get that Ow you'll be less pressured to hum. (I know if it was my first time i'd be a shaky mess singing through myself)

Are there any others song's in Rockband DLC or otherwise that haven't been FC'ed yet?

[MarkMadness]

Really, is this what we've come to? The forum police won't let us use hyperbole to make fun of the guy hyperventilating in his closet?

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to kick some puppies.

P.S. I never said it's fake because he's humming.
P.P.S. I definitely did use hyperbole. I thought it was merited.
P.P.P.S. Get a job.

WOW lmao
hahaha

Dude get a life

[Mystakin]

should read the whole post bud....i am not saying that i disagree that his celebration warranted....he did attained the unattainable!!! i am saying that for me it is only half full....

just my take but that makes me an a**hole right...and if you were a person who was racists and i said i hate racists that would make me and a**hole for not haveing the same racist point of view as you right...based on your logic?

what about the guy 1 place above you on the leaderboard because he hummed EVERY song..... or maybe half of the original 58.....for me that guy is only half as good as the you when you SANG them all....there's some jacka** that posts on youtube all the time that shows videos of humming every song or some jack** that shows how to "rub out" a phrase with his pants....those scores are the ones that you a guy who sings like what was originally intended have to compete against.is that fair for you?if you gave a care about you place on the board....i play it to have fun or else i would be pretty upset myself...

i have seen ALL his videos and watch them regularly since i bought this game but i am still disapointed because i KNOW he can do it legit but opted for the easier way out.

ps. as a person who owns 3 dogs....a foster parent for 9 rescued dogs and a voluntary dog sitter for my local vet, i would ask that you rethink you attacks on someone or once again you are just as bad as the A** you are attacking!!!!!

As a top 20 drummer on XBL, I hold no contempt for someguy and phr34k who both use electronic drum kits and are higher ranked than me. The technique/equipment doesn't make the person good. Bill is first because he's talented, not because he hummed the end of one song. It's your prerogative to dislike hummers, but it's rude to lessen Bill's achievement by calling it a "half full" achievement. It's mostly your wording that's getting underneath people's skin, I'd bet.

[Billtvshow]

Hopefully the next time you get that Ow you'll be less pressured to hum. (I know if it was my first time i'd be a shaky mess singing through myself)

Absolutely. I really want to try to reproduce it with my gamebridge hooked up, but like I said at scorehero, the window to hit it is much, much smaller than human reaction time, so it's still an insane amount of luck. Probably as much as getting the talky glitch, maybe more so now that I think about it.


Are there any others song's in Rockband DLC or otherwise that haven't been FC'ed yet?

Yes, there are a lot of DLC with broken talkies. The only ones that I know of that can be FC'ed without the glitch that have not been are Cherry Bomb (have hit every phrase in song, never on same run) and Sick, Sick, Sick (hit the 2nd talky once a long, long time ago).

[BStu78]

should read the whole post bud....i am not saying that i disagree that his celebration warranted....he did attained the unattainable!!! i am saying that for me it is only half full....

just my take but that makes me an a**hole right...and if you were a person who was racists and i said i hate racists that would make me and a**hole for not haveing the same racist point of view as you right...based on your logic?

what about the guy 1 place above you on the leaderboard because he hummed EVERY song..... or maybe half of the original 58.....for me that guy is only half as good as the you when you SANG them all....there's some jacka** that posts on youtube all the time that shows videos of humming every song or some jack** that shows how to "rub out" a phrase with his pants....those scores are the ones that you a guy who sings like what was originally intended have to compete against.is that fair for you?if you gave a care about you place on the board....i play it to have fun or else i would be pretty upset myself...

i have seen ALL his videos and watch them regularly since i bought this game but i am still disapointed because i KNOW he can do it legit but opted for the easier way out.

ps. as a person who owns 3 dogs....a foster parent for 9 rescued dogs and a voluntary dog sitter for my local vet, i would ask that you rethink you attacks on someone or once again you are just as bad as the A** you are attacking!!!!!

How is this different from tapping, though? That's an easy way out to some. I don't think humming is equal to rubbing out talkies. Humming is providing an input to the mic that meets the games scoring requirements. Its scoring based on pitch and you still need to get the pitch right to hum. You still need to actually achieve what the game requires you to achieve. That's entirely different from rubbing out a talky part. I'm sorry, but its just not reasonable to say they are equal tactics. Humming meets the game's requirements. Rubbing out exploits a glitch to get around the game's requirements. Its not fair to talk about that as being equivalent.

And for the love of all puppies and babies in this great world, please learn to distinguish a joke or rhetoric from an actual accusation. I wasn't actually suggesting you or anyone else in the celebration police actually steal candy from babies, either. :rolleyes:

[The Hungry Samurai]

Absolutely. I really want to try to reproduce it with my gamebridge hooked up, but like I said at scorehero, the window to hit it is much, much smaller than human reaction time, so it's still an insane amount of luck. Probably as much as getting the talky glitch, maybe more so now that I think about it.



Yes, there are a lot of DLC with broken talkies. The only ones that I know of that can be FC'ed without the glitch that have not been are Cherry Bomb (have hit every phrase in song, never on same run) and Sick, Sick, Sick (hit the 2nd talky once a long, long time ago).

Whats this glitch I keep hearing about? (Don't worry I won't use it. PM me if you need to)

[xXHorrorHippoXx]

Its the "Oww" part?

Im a terrible singer and after this thread I decided to go try it out on Expert, and I managed to hit that part easily, just not the rest of the song. :P

[simmias]

WOW lmao
hahaha

Dude get a life
Next time I'll use shorter words so you can keep up. Seriously, get a job. That's where the rest of us are right now, posting to make the time go by. What's your excuse?

[MarkMadness]

Its the "Oww" part?

Im a terrible singer and after this thread I decided to go try it out on Expert, and I managed to hit that part easily, just not the rest of the song. :P


The Ow? Do u play on ps2?


edit: to the idiot above me

You're passing time by bashing someone who achieved something YOU'LL NEVER ****ING DO
so like I said, get a life. It's amazing how you can actually try to argue your point. It's also amusing, please continue.

[Billtvshow]

Whats this glitch I keep hearing about? (Don't worry I won't use it. PM me if you need to)

You can't control it. It randomly shows up.
When you get this glitch, you can hit any talking part on any song simply by making any kind of sound during that talking part.
Visually, you don't see the pie spin around, it just appears, already spun to the maximum point value of that talking part.
A few notable scores achieved by this glitch: All the highest scores on Sabotage (max talky squeeze points), Blinded By Fear FCs, The Kill FC...

[macdaddy3598]

Hum hum hum hum... La la la la...

For the love of all that is holy --- use your words!!!

[cdylan13]

Simmias. KILL YOURSELF YOU DOUCHEBAG

I'm sorry mods but its just too much

[Mystakin]

Next time I'll use shorter words so you can keep up. Seriously, get a job. That's where the rest of us are right now, posting to make the time go by. What's your excuse?

I'm a student in transition between semesters trying to further my education into a career. I can still manage to have a discussion on a forum without insults and degrading comments... what's your excuse?

[xXHorrorHippoXx]

The Ow? Do u play on ps2?


edit: to the idiot above me

You're passing time by bashing someone who achieved something YOU'LL NEVER ****ING DO
so like I said, get a life. It's amazing how you can actually try to argue your point. It's also amusing, please continue.

No, Im on Xbox 360, and I honest to god hit that Ow, but like I said, I sucked hardcore at the rest of the song! :P Cant keep a note streak.

[FadeToBlack]

That's pretty pathetic you hummed the notes, you couldn't do that on a stage now could you i'm pretty sure you just ruined the whole point of the game

[MarkMadness]

No, Im on Xbox 360, and I honest to god hit that Ow, but like I said, I sucked hardcore at the rest of the song! :P Cant keep a note streak.



Can u take a video of it? Not saying I dont believe you, since you haven't been trying to insult anyone, but it's kinda hard to believe since the ow has only been hit twice.

[KaYotiX]

oh wow, you can hum. Yeah who cares.

[MarkMadness]

oh wow, you can hum. Yeah who cares.

What an intelligent response. Can you do it? No.

[dogfoodnyc]

That's pretty pathetic you hummed the notes, you couldn't do that on a stage now could you i'm pretty sure you just ruined the whole point of the game

Wow, just wow. Did you read any of what Bill wrote about why he hummed the rest of the way?

The thread is supposed to inform people that he has done something none has done before by hitting the "ow" and completely the original disc list (all 58 songs) with 100%.

[quinaking]

I see this thread getting locked. It's a shame because the dude was really lucky and he deserves a pat on the back or two.

[monkeyfish]

Bill should put up some youtubes of owning all these other jealous and/or ignorant singers in vocal duels. :) That'd be pretty amusing.

[cdylan13]

Mods please lock this thread. Its a ****ing disgrace.

[Hokonoso]

wow 1 post of the most amazing accomplishment in RB history (yes, the only thing now that could top it is an FC of GGaHT), and then we get 6 pages of whiners/haters, please grow some balls and congratulate this guy for doing the most amazing thing ever in the game we ALL LOVE AND PLAY! if you are a general RB hater then why are you here? if i was a mod i would delete and temp ban every single person of these 6 pages that posted a hateful comment, hell this even includes mine!

[4thChamber]

Anyone who has sung on Rock Band has resorted to humming and slurred speech at some point. Indeed, I'm pretty sure I still slur my way through Next To You.

I sing on expert too and I always feel a little guilty inside when I hum or just carry the note in between words. There is no doubt that for scores, it is easier to carry and prolong the sound to raise and drop pitch and having to enunciate the words makes this more difficult.

So, I got to thinking - perhaps to make vocals more challenging and more genuine in Rock Band 2, perhaps they should figure out a way to make you drop your multiplier if you are just clearly carrying the note all the way through the phrase in the breaks between words rather than enunciating the words (which would require starting/stopping). After all, guitar and drums drop their modifiers when they hit a note that is not part of the chart.

[Lizard_King]

no need to bash, although in a band setting, it is way more fun to have a singer who actually sings instead of hums. one of our vocalists hums most of the time...

[west siide]

I've seen Bill at the top of all the leaderboards for many songs, and not having started with RB when it first came out I guess I'm out of the loop on something or part of the story.

He uses his website as his screen name, I know that.

Does he make anything from his website? Does his presence on those leaderboards for everyone to see actually help him generate hits and revenue?

If so, is the purpose of his quest to get top scores on RB so that he can promote his website?

To be clear I don't diminish the accomplishment of his score or how he did it - frankly I'd use any method the game provides to improve mine - but it does feel a little shady, as it seems the purpose of getting a top score is not for the accomplishment itself but as a way to promote himself and therefore generate revenue.

If I'm wrong on any of my assumptions I welcome all corrections.

[BStu78]

I sing on expert too and I always feel a little guilty inside when I hum or just carry the note in between words. There is no doubt that for scores, it is easier to carry and prolong the sound to raise and drop pitch and having to enunciate the words makes this more difficult.

So, I got to thinking - perhaps to make vocals more challenging and more genuine in Rock Band 2, perhaps they should figure out a way to make you drop your multiplier if you are just clearly carrying the note all the way through the phrase in the breaks between words rather than enunciating the words (which would require starting/stopping). After all, guitar and drums drop their modifiers when they hit a note that is not part of the chart.

Real singers do carry notes, though. Indeed, a lot of the songs clearly carry the note longer than the game scores the player for. I really don't think carrying a note should be seen as bad form, either. Its a reasonable playing technique which I don't think cheats the system at all. A "you must stop singing NOW" gameplay mechanic might be more challenging, but I think it'd be significantly less fun.

[zerofan]

Lots of haters. Criticize all you want, but he did something you guys couldn't. Humming or not, its impressive.

Dude nobody is hating bec someone finished a song by humming...its all good! Alot of us just cant believe someone would feel sooooo great about beating a song on vocals that you didnt really sing. If thats how you play the game then good for you, but I dont...there is no right and wrong.
I would love to see that dude go into a bar that has RB and put vocals on Expert and then proceed to hum his way through it....I could imagine he would get run off the stage...and rightly so...

[MarkMadness]

Dude nobody is hating bec someone finished a song by humming...its all good! Alot of us just cant believe someone would feel sooooo great about beating a song on vocals that you didnt really sing. If thats how you play the game then good for you, but I dont...there is no right and wrong.
I would love to see that dude go into a bar that has RB and put vocals on Expert and then proceed to hum his way through it....I could imagine he would get run off the stage...and rightly so...

Too bad for you he can sing.

[Melestrela]

No, Im on Xbox 360, and I honest to god hit that Ow, but like I said, I sucked hardcore at the rest of the song! :P Cant keep a note streak.

If you have a reliable method to hit that Ow, then please make a video and the rest of the Xvox community will be eternally grateful. It could be of just that one phrase, we won't care if you suck at the rest of the song. Heck, if you were anywhere near me, I'd come to your house and sing/hum/slur the rest of the song for you.

Bill, thanks once again for raising the bar and proving that what we all thought was impossible IS possible. If you're able to recreate this, then that would be AMAZING. If you don't, then I'd totally understand because that would require massive amounts of patience, super-human timing, and probably some luck. But for now, a bunch of us are just enjoying the fact that it's been done.

[sparki1980]

Please watch his other videos! He Has 215 Firsts on XBL.

No.. not until this is reposted with singing and with the impossible part.

Why would I believe jack about his talents.

I'd be unimpressed and honestly pissed if I bought tix and went to a concert and the lead singer hummed. So I'll be unimpressed here, and have no motivation to check his other stuff. It's all tainted. It's free and scoring good/bad doesn't bother me, it's just for fun so I can't be pissed & I did laugh though.

[monkeyfish]

No.. not until this is reposted with singing and with the impossible part.

Why would I believe jack about his talents.

I'd be unimpressed and honestly pissed if I bought tix and went to a concert and the lead singer hummed. So I'll be unimpressed here, and have no motivation to check his other stuff. It's all tainted.

Using your logic, you'd be pissed if real life soldiers didn't use the "hop/toss grenade/strafe" method when in a warzone, a la Halo 3. This is a game, after all.

[simmias]

Good God, some of you people need to calm down. Apparently I'm an idiot douchebag who needs to die, likes to demean others and kills puppies. Bill, I apologize for thinking your reaction to hitting the glitch was funny.

But back to what I've wanted to know from post one: how the hell did you hit the Owww? Is OakTea right? Was it the "hit all talkies" glitch?

[4thChamber]

Real singers do carry notes, though. Indeed, a lot of the songs clearly carry the note longer than the game scores the player for. I really don't think carrying a note should be seen as bad form, either. Its a reasonable playing technique which I don't think cheats the system at all. A "you must stop singing NOW" gameplay mechanic might be more challenging, but I think it'd be significantly less fun.

Yeah this has occurred to me, and the last thing I would want to do is make vocals demand an even more robotic nature. I'm just trying to figure out ways to improve how vocals are handled without requiring some massive technological breakthrough in word recognition. This was one of the more realistic ideas I had, even though it too would be difficult to implement particularly in non talky songs that still string lots of words together like Dani California.

There's really very little one can do, but I would be interested in hearing other ideas.

[Runch]

Put in context, this basically makes Billtvshow the best RB player at his instrument, across all instruments.

Hahahahahaha. LOL. Sorry, just the idea that this video is the pinnacle of Rock Band vocals is very amusing...

[Fedora]

u can't play a plastic guitar on stage dey makes you play a real guitar and people would be pissid if u missed orange ntoes.

[BStu78]

Good God, some of you people need to calm down. Apparently I'm an idiot douchebag who needs to die, likes to demean others and kills puppies. Bill, I apologize for thinking your reaction to hitting the glitch was funny.

:rolleyes: Yes, only you get to mock someone else. When you get mocked, why it just gives you vapors! Heavens, no! People simply must show the proper decorum.

For gosh sakes, if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. You really bitterly insulted Bill and when people call you out on that, you just cry about how everyone needs to calm down and stop being so mean to you. Give me a break!

And it was kicks puppies, not kills puppies.

[simmias]

And it was kicks puppies, not kills puppies.
I took it to the next level. And who's to say I can't take it? Bring it on. I just think the whole "go kill yourself" stuff is a little over the top. Correct me if I'm wrong, oh learned one.

[OakTea]

I'd be unimpressed and honestly pissed if I bought tix and went to a concert and the lead singer hummed. So I'll be unimpressed here, and have no motivation to check his other stuff. It's all tainted. It's free and scoring good/bad doesn't bother me, it's just for fun so I can't be pissed & I did laugh though.

I saw Bon Jovi make their audience sing the first verse to Wanted Dead or Alive. The entire first verse. (I pointed out that they've probably all played it in Rock Band. ;) )

Does that make you as disappointed as this? I mean, they weren't even humming. Honestly, I would've been disappointed if I went to see them live. I payed to hear you sing, not a crowd of fans. I don't care if they sing along, provided I can hear you over them.

Oh, and newsflash: You didn't pay any money to hear this guy sing the song. What do you lose for what this guy would normally be doing in the comfort of his own home? He posted the video for people who understand what an accomplishment it is.

To put it in perspective, to him, all you guys mocking him for humming, this is like all those "Go lern real guitar moran" posts on youtube videos.

It's the same thing. Really, this isn't real singing. It's pitch detection. You can do it however you want.


But then again, nobody will read this post if they disagree, nor would it change their mind. They'll be stubborn to their point.


I can see the side that humming could ruin the experience for some people in a band/party experience, but this guy is playing alone, and for his own benefit. I mean, no one's telling you "Hay lozer itz easy to play sitting down stand up and rock out" when you're playing alone at home with your jaw hanging open, laying on your couch with your Fisher-Price-esque Les Paul barely moving, until it's occasionally flicked into the air to activate star power.

Of course he'd sound stupid if he did that in front of an audience. How many drummers do you see bouncing up and down every time they hit their bass pedal? Or guitarists flailing their guitars into the air before a fast solo, or chord-heavy verse? Or worse, a drummer occasionally pausing to rest before hitting a crash?

You are playing a game. A game. A game. No matter what instrument you're playing, it's still a game. Vocals are no exception. And without being conceited, how many of you can say you look/sound cooler than him when you FC a song heavily regarded as un-FC able? Let's see you look bad-ass and FC Afterlife. C'mon, do it.

I wouldn't pay to see a guitarist sit on a chair while looking at us without blinking, muttering things like "Oh yeah, 100% solo", or a drummer who takes breaks in place of fills.

Rocking out and playing for high-ranked scores are two different things for probably 99.9% of Rock band players.

You can only judge after you FC Green Grass and High Tides and look cool doing it. Go on, go ahead. We'll wait.

[x2fr]

wow. There are some really angry & immature posts in this thread. It's really pretty annoying considering billtv/stephen is nice guy, obviously a talented singer, AND just accomplished something you could never dream of. I don't understand the stupidity sometimes..

On topic: amazing accomplishment and keep doing what you're doing... the people you care about sharing this with, are all impressed.

[west siide]

I've seen Bill at the top of all the leaderboards for many songs, and not having started with RB when it first came out I guess I'm out of the loop on something or part of the story.

He uses his website as his screen name, I know that.

Does he make anything from his website? Does his presence on those leaderboards for everyone to see actually help him generate hits and revenue?

If so, is the purpose of his quest to get top scores on RB so that he can promote his website?

To be clear I don't diminish the accomplishment of his score or how he did it - frankly I'd use any method the game provides to improve mine - but it does feel a little shady, as it seems the purpose of getting a top score is not for the accomplishment itself but as a way to promote himself and therefore generate revenue.

If I'm wrong on any of my assumptions I welcome all corrections.



I hate to quote myself, but for people more in the know about bill and his website I'm really interested to hear what the real story is. Again, it's probably old news, but for those of us in the 3+ months or less club we're in the dark.

Thanks.

[HellAshes]

It's always fun to watch immature people get all angry that someone did something amazing and they're all jealous. XD This topic is looking so much like youtube comments right now. :P

[BStu78]

I hate to quote myself, but for people more in the know about bill and his website I'm really interested to hear what the real story is. Again, it's probably old news, but for those of us in the 3+ months or less club we're in the dark.

Thanks.

You seem to be assuming one had to follow the other. He may have saw that he was good and was getting noticed, and decided to use that recognition to promote something else he was doing. Which is fair. Its like an actor who wears a hat or t-shirt to promote some project of his when he is getting interviewed. It doesn't mean they got famous just to promote a line of clothes or a nightclub. When boxers get temporary tattoo ads, do you think they became a boxer just to promote those companies? Of course not. They are just using their public stature to promote something else. I don't really think that cheapens his achievement in the least.

[macdaddy3598]

Humming through vocals is the equivilent of playing drums using a controller. You may hit the notes with little effort, but it just goes against the premise of the game.

It's cool that the author is rocking at 100%, but I the comments are because it's a bit lame to half ass it.

[Billtvshow]

I've seen Bill at the top of all the leaderboards for many songs, and not having started with RB when it first came out I guess I'm out of the loop on something or part of the story.

He uses his website as his screen name, I know that.

Does he make anything from his website? Does his presence on those leaderboards for everyone to see actually help him generate hits and revenue?

If so, is the purpose of his quest to get top scores on RB so that he can promote his website?

To be clear I don't diminish the accomplishment of his score or how he did it - frankly I'd use any method the game provides to improve mine - but it does feel a little shady, as it seems the purpose of getting a top score is not for the accomplishment itself but as a way to promote himself and therefore generate revenue.

If I'm wrong on any of my assumptions I welcome all corrections.

I originally signed up for an account back when Halo 3 first came out. I figured, heck, I'll put the website as my screenname and people might see it in Halo matches and go there. Then I got into Rock Band and ended up doing all this vocal stuff. And to answer your question I make no money off the site (no advertising on it as of now), in fact, we've been pathologically unlucky in that department, as several of our "bill" videos have gone viral online and got stripped of the watermarks, so we got no traffic when those videos were getting millions of views on other sites.

[Renrock]

Gratz Bill.

[Benjirachi]

Lol you guys are ******ed, this guy is great. I hope you know most of those people who FC songs hum. I hum my songs. Who cares if it's not REAL singing. Rock Band will never be like playing real instruments. Saying humming is cheating is like saying it's cheating not to have REAL strings on your controller or that it's cheating to not use a REAL drum set. (Last I checked there are no cheats for Rock Band.) So good job Bill and have a nice day everyone. :D

[sparki1980]

I saw Bon Jovi make their audience sing the first verse to Wanted Dead or Alive. The entire first verse.

Does that make you as disappointed as this?
I'm afraid I didn't go to that concert... so no, it didn't disappoint me.

But, I stand by my opinion that humming is not impressive. I'd be much more impressed listening to someone sing well and getting 90%... But hey whatever, if he has fun humming songs.. that's fine w/ me, the vids are humorous. I just wouldn't document it to claim "I'm the best. Check the score", especially without recording the entire song... it's really just not that impressive. If your in it just to show a high score w/o doing anything... get a keyboard.

[hoss]

As a top 20 drummer on XBL, I hold no contempt for someguy and phr34k who both use electronic drum kits and are higher ranked than me. The technique/equipment doesn't make the person good. Bill is first because he's talented, not because he hummed the end of one song. It's your prerogative to dislike hummers, but it's rude to lessen Bill's achievement by calling it a "half full" achievement. It's mostly your wording that's getting underneath people's skin, I'd bet.


your absolutly right.....point well taken...

[west siide]

You seem to be assuming one had to follow the other. He may have saw that he was good and was getting noticed, and decided to use that recognition to promote something else he was doing. Which is fair. Its like an actor who wears a hat or t-shirt to promote some project of his when he is getting interviewed. It doesn't mean they got famous just to promote a line of clothes or a nightclub. When boxers get temporary tattoo ads, do you think they became a boxer just to promote those companies? Of course not. They are just using their public stature to promote something else. I don't really think that cheapens his achievement in the least.


I'm not assuming anything, I was asking a question.

But as seems to be the norm for this thread people by default take an antagonistic position and talk condescendingly to the other person.

Congrats for being the latest member of that club.


Not to worry, Bill posted his own reply that was more than sufficient on the topic, so there's no need for you to talk to me any further on this.

[stonicus]

Screw that Billy! I'm gonna do it without humming! (Runs to xbox and gets 3 stars on Next to you)...Oh well, maybe next time :(

[x2fr]

I'm not assuming anything, I was asking a question.

But as seems to be the norm for this thread people by default take an antagonistic position and talk condescendingly to the other person.

Congrats for being the latest member of that club.


Not to worry, Bill posted his own reply that was more than sufficient on the topic, so there's no need for you to talk to me any further on this.

You're an obnoxious hypocrite. You talk ****t, then somebody calls you out on it.. then you're like no waaaah don't talk to me anymore... waaah. Antagonistic & condescending is taking someones joy/accomplishment & turning it into an accusatory, trifling conspiracy..

There are far easier ways to get your project/site promoted than spend many hours becoming 1st on vox.

[xXHorrorHippoXx]

Ok, so I retired the "Ow' part that I got the first time, and I didnt even come close... I know this doesnt look good for my case, but I swear I got it the first time. It must have been hardcore luck then.

I guess I can tell you what I did anyways. I didnt just say "OW" I got really into the song and yelled like "Yow!" started soft then really loud, but did it within a split second and it filled the thing for me.

I dont care really if you guys say Im lying, because I know I did it, and my mom saw me do it. :P

[west siide]

You're an obnoxious hypocrite. You talk ****t, then somebody calls you out on it.. then you're like no waaaah don't talk to me anymore... waaah. Antagonistic & condescending is taking someones joy/accomplishment & turning it into an accusatory, trifling conspiracy..

There are far easier ways to get your project/site promoted than spend many hours becoming 1st on vox.


Where did I talk crap? Not at all. I asked a question which got replied to.

If you read my post, which clearly you did not, I didn't diminish his accomplishment...I asked it in reference of what his goals fot it were.

Not to worry, as you are making a personal attack, I will be reporting this post and you can deal with the consequences of that.

[area]

11 pages of whining about a hum to finish out a song that has never been fc'd before. Bill is amazing at the Vox tour. I am not a singer (I have completed the X tour but barely) but Bill is phenomenally good at it.

The 'No Life' and 'Stupid Hum' people are fascinating to me. They troll here just to tell others that are better at the game than them that they have no life. Pathetic.

To Bill: Amazing Job! Congrats! It is great to see that someone can hit that Owwww!

To the 'others': Lemme put this in perspective. Bill is the ONLY person to have FC'd and entire career on ANY instrument. He is the one and only person with 58 100%'s. So until you can do this on your instrument of choice, I guess there isn't much you can say to/about Bill.

</rant>

Just get tired of the kiddies and trolls who never have a nice thing to say about anything (DLC/Others Accomplishments/Home Brew Mods/etc/etc/etc).

[jeccaneko]

Broken talkie.

Although not-so-broken now.

They're broken? I have no problem with the talkies (on expert). I just have problems getting enough points sometimes on the main phrases. If you try to sing it (like I always attempt) instead of humming, it's hard to get enough points on the verses to get an awesome. The only way I can do it well is to sing kinda monotone and slur my words together a little.

[lazyalex]

Jeez, I was waiting for the south park guitar hero 1,000,000 points.

YOU ARE A *** screen to pop up.:rolleyes:

[xz falcon zx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-F5u8poOhM&feature=related


Him singing over 3 ingame songs within vid. Proof he can sing, hell of alot better then you.

[KaYotiX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-F5u8poOhM&feature=related


Him singing over 3 ingame songs within vid. Proof he can sing, hell of alot better then you.

I give him props, disregard my old post. GJ Bill :) I feel like a tool now :p

You can sing pretty damn well man.

[Melestrela]

Ok, so I retired the "Ow' part that I got the first time, and I didnt even come close... I know this doesnt look good for my case, but I swear I got it the first time. It must have been hardcore luck then.

I guess I can tell you what I did anyways. I didnt just say "OW" I got really into the song and yelled like "Yow!" started soft then really loud, but did it within a split second and it filled the thing for me.

I dont care really if you guys say Im lying, because I know I did it, and my mom saw me do it. :P

Heh, don't worry it's not that we think that you're lying. It's just an infamously fickle phrase. Someone can do it many, many times, either trying different methods or trying the same thing, and it'll give you anything from a Messy to a Strong. Getting an Awesome once would shock/scare the crap out of most vocalists.

[bmasterlord]

I rarely hum myself only occasionally slur my words when I don't know the song or a part of one too well, but guys first off humming isn't cheating.

As long as you produce the sound/pitch with your own mouth and vocal chords its legit as far as points go, maybe takes some spirit out of it but to each their own.

Secondly Bill is a amazing singer/vocalist in rock band and in real life, and almost always sings and enunciates very well.

The fact he didn't sing perfectly to hit a next to impossible talkie and you call him a cheater is disgusting and makes you guys look like tools and very very ignorant.

I bet none of you can even come close to singing as well as Billtvshow can, hell I bet most of you are pissed you cant even pass this or most songs on expert humming or singing.

[Icemage]

The amount of uninformed responses in this thread is disgusting.

Billtvshow is the BEST singer in Rock Band. He doesn't need to hum his way to an FC, ever, and those of you accusing him of being unable to sing have never visited his YouTube channel.

[xz falcon zx]

My point exactly. These people have probably never heard of google or youtube(do to their ignorance), so i have posted the video. All you guys have to do is click the sideways triangle. Can you say triangle?

[WildBillKickoff]

Hahahahahaha. LOL. Sorry, just the idea that this video is the pinnacle of Rock Band vocals is very amusing...

I'd say PERFECTION is the pinnacle of just about anything, yes?

What Billtv did is perfect his craft. He has done something no one else in the world has yet done, though literally hundreds of thousands have tried. He's not on the level of, say, Tiger Woods, but he's definitely at least on the level of Joey Chestnut-- laugh at him if you want, but you'll never eat 59 hot dogs in a week, much less 10 minutes.

I'm sorry that some people are so cynical and insecure about their own worth that they cannot celebrate with someone, but have to denigrate the accomplishments of others to feel better about themselves.

[wesker-kun]

he was humming because he wanted to be sure to FC the song , since the broken talkie was hit, but if you wanna hear him singing , just check out his webpage, he's awesome at singin.

[skullpit]

The amount of uninformed responses in this thread is disgusting.

Billtvshow is the BEST singer in Rock Band. He doesn't need to hum his way to an FC, ever, and those of you accusing him of being unable to sing have never visited his YouTube channel.
Well then why is he humming to get this FC? This guy may be able to sing well and all that jazz but the fact is, HE WASN'T SINGING! He was humming. Cheap.

[R4di4ti0n]

never been able to stand billtv. Kind of a douche if you ask me.

[skullpit]

Humming a vocal track is like drumming with your friend hitting the bass pedal for you. Super gimp. Congrats to the fat lazy closet ****. When I feel like singing by myself, alone in a room, I'll FC that song without sounding like a homosexual kazoo.

I agree 100%.

[cHaNg-sTa]

To all the haters, you guys sound just like the people that say "OMG GO PLAY A REAL GUITAR LOLZ" on youtube. You might not think so, but let's be honest Person A can't play real guitar so he plays Rock Band, Person B makes fun of his "fake guitaring". Then Person A can't sing so he hums Rock Band, Person B makes fun of his "fake singing". You're no different from those D-bags that insult Guitar Hero/Rock Band videos for playing a fake guitar. And the best comeback from everyone is.. IT'S JUST A GAME! Why can't this apply to singing/humming as well? Get over it.

P.S. This by no means says that BillTVShow can't sing. Also side note, if one person wanted to shoot for scores on his person time. Why can't he just hum it? I'm sure if he was actually singing at a party where everyone is just having fun, he would actually sing out the words. What is it for YOU to say that he can or can't do in different situations huh? Everyone just shut up.

P.S.S GJ BILLTVSHOW!

[BStu78]

I'm not assuming anything, I was asking a question.

But as seems to be the norm for this thread people by default take an antagonistic position and talk condescendingly to the other person.

Congrats for being the latest member of that club.


Not to worry, Bill posted his own reply that was more than sufficient on the topic, so there's no need for you to talk to me any further on this.

No, you were assuming things. That was the whole point of your post. I get that you phrased your assumptions as a question, but the structure of that question was still assuming a limited number of answers to your question. Making spurious suggestions and then disclaiming responsibility with "I didn't SAY that, I only asked" is frankly disingenuous. You suggested that his actions were shady. It doesn't matter that you didn't accuse him of being shady. "Suggesting" it is still a form of making assumptions.

But beyond that, calling my respond "condescending" and "antagonistic" is most entirely unfair. My reply to you was very even-handed and deliberate and your hostile response is entirely unwarranted. Frankly, though, I've found people who jump to accuse someone of being condescending are often saying more about their own ego and sense of self than they are about someone else's actions. Don't worry. I won't be "reporting you".

[skullpit]

CHEAP!!!!!

[Dharkanjil]

This thread is going in circles so fast my head is spinning.

[BStu78]

Well then why is he humming to get this FC? This guy may be able to sing well and all that jazz but the fact is, HE WASN'T SINGING! He was humming. Cheap.

The game doesn't score you for singing. It scores you for pitch detection. He provided an input into the microphone that satisfied the game's requirements. He did it all by himself and without using any aids. Heck, I think playing the flute to get a score is just find on vocals, but this is even more pure than that. He produced the necessary tone using his own vocal chords. The game specifically does not score with phoneme detection on the singing parts. The comparisons being made are really apples and oranges. And I'm not talking about a mod and the fifth button on guitar, though I guess that works, too.

[Destromas]

To all the haters, you guys sound just like the people that say "OMG GO PLAY A REAL GUITAR LOLZ" on youtube. You might not think so, but let's be honest Person A can't play real guitar so he plays Rock Band, Person B makes fun of his "fake guitaring". Then Person A can't sing so he hums Rock Band, Person B makes fun of his "fake singing". You're no different from those D-bags that insult Guitar Hero/Rock Band videos for playing a fake guitar. And the best comeback from everyone is.. IT'S JUST A GAME! Why can't this apply to singing/humming as well? Get over it.

P.S. This by no means says that BillTVShow can't sing. Also side note, if one person wanted to shoot for scores on his person time. Why can't he just hum it? I'm sure if he was actually singing at a party where everyone is just having fun, he would actually sing out the words. What is it for YOU to say that he can or can't do in different situations huh? Everyone just shut up.

P.S.S GJ BILLTVSHOW!

No, because either way, playing a fake guitar emulates guitar playing. Singing on a video game along emulates singing. Humming emulates pitch, but not singing. Singing for a video game doesn't demand the same amount of technique that singing for an audience does. Trust me, I would know this, and I can take pictures of certificates and awards for reference if need be. So you're already cutting something major out of the picture. But by humming, you're cutting even more out of it. You reduce the purpose to ashes and it's pretty damn pathetic. I refuse to say that Bill is in any way talented for being able to FC a song. I instead will say that he's got a better perception of pitch than my girlfriend. Unfortunately for Bill, she's about sixteen million times better looking.

[Icemage]

Are drummers who use a double bass mod or non-stock drum set "cheap"? Are guitarists who use a Les Paul or other non-stock plastic guitar "cheap"?

Humming is a perfectly acceptable way to score in Rock Band. I don't do it much myself, you may not personally like it, and it's certainly not the best way to sound great while playing the game on vocals, but it still scores the same or better than singing.

[xz falcon zx]

Humming a vocal track is like drumming with your friend hitting the bass pedal for you. Super gimp. Congrats to the fat lazy closet ****. When I feel like singing by myself, alone in a room, I'll FC that song without sounding like a homosexual kazoo.

It's douchebags like you and skullpit who ruin these forums. Did you not see my post, or can you not read. Honestly, stop trying to make up for the fact that you suck at life by flaming someone 100 times better at this game than you. We all know mommy hurts you at night, but the sad fact is that you guys don't know how to compensate. Grow up, go outside, and get off these forums.

[chos3n one23]

You guys are just mad because you can't do it.

Good **** BillTV.

[Johnny Staccato]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Bill's doing. See, much as some of us don't want to admit it, THIS IS ONLY A GAME. We are not actually playing guitar or bass or drums, so if someone does enough to satisfy the computer, that's good enough for me. When I'm singing with a group of people, I sing for real. If I'm singing for myself, I hum to my little hearts content. If you want to be a purist, put away the video game. and grab a real guitar or a real pair of drumsticks.

[cHaNg-sTa]

First off, no one is saying Bill is talented for FCing Next To You. You can check his other videos where he's ACTUALLY singing then you can come back and make a new assertion. Second off, I'm not quite sure you had bring in your GF into this argument and she's much better looking to you than he is. I would certainly hope so.

[Destromas]

Are drummers who use a double bass mod or non-stock drum set "cheap"? Are guitarists who use a Les Paul or other non-stock plastic guitar "cheap"?

Humming is a perfectly acceptable way to score in Rock Band. I don't do it much myself, you may not personally like it, and it's certainly not the best way to sound great while playing the game on vocals, but it still scores the same or better than singing.

Acceptable? Maybe the tooth fairy, santa claus and easter bunny wouldn't mind it if they were playing with you on band world tour and you were making noises like a chinese woman having an asthma attack. I guess if you live in your parents walk-in closet and have no friends, then sure, I guess it's acceptable.

[bandaddy]

If I could whistle Dixie out my ass to get that "ow" I'd do it. What I did learn reading through this post is that I wouldn't post a video doing it because all the ass whistler haters would come out of the woodwork and criticize me for having a zit on my ass or something, so it doesn't count.
People never cease to amaze me at how impolite, self centered, and disrespectful they can be.


Congrats to billtvshow for the FC !

[godzdrinknpal]

I'm willing to bet that ALL of those that left negative responses (completely uncalled for...) can't sing or hum what Bill did. HATERZ! Excellent job Bill! You definitely have skills!!!

[Destromas]

It's douchebags like you and skullpit who ruin these forums. Did you not see my post, or can you not read. Honestly, stop trying to make up for the fact that you suck at life by flaming someone 100 times better at this game than you. We all know mommy hurts you at night, but the sad fact is that you guys don't know how to compensate. Grow up, go outside, and get off these forums.

What exactly are you trying to say? That being on the forums is bad? That someone who can play the expert vocal career sounding like Helen Keller is better than me? Why should I go outside? I just got in! So tell me, if I go outside, I won't get better at Rock Band, although I don't really need to having completed expert drums and guitar. It just gets me off of the forums. But you're on the forums, so it cant be all that bad. So what are you saying? It doesn't take a paragraph to say "you're not nice and I don't agree with you."

[BStu78]

Acceptable? Maybe the tooth fairy, santa claus and easter bunny wouldn't mind it if they were playing with you on band world tour and you were making noises like a chinese woman having an asthma attack. I guess if you live in your parents walk-in closet and have no friends, then sure, I guess it's acceptable.

He wasn't playing on world tour. He was playing solo and playing for score. I'm not interested in the techniques needed to play for score, myself. I'm content just to have fun. WHICH IS FINE. That doesn't mean that those who use techniques to maximize their score and combo and any of the instruments is somehow a bad person worthy of seemingly endless string of offensive insults. Because what they are doing? ALSO FINE.

[skullpit]

This thread makes me laugh. I can't believe how many people are praising such a cheap FC. Cheap is cheap and that's it. You guys can keep praising all you want. I'm done with this thread.

[xz falcon zx]

Wow..i'm not gonna post anything simply because the above poster completely misunderstood my previous post.

Edit: destro.

[cHaNg-sTa]

What exactly are you trying to say? That being on the forums is bad? That someone who can play the expert vocal career sounding like Helen Keller is better than me? Why should I go outside? I just got in! So tell me, if I go outside, I won't get better at Rock Band, although I don't really need to having completed expert drums and guitar. It just gets me off of the forums. But you're on the forums, so it cant be all that bad. So what are you saying? It doesn't take a paragraph to say "you're not nice and I don't agree with you."
Isn't that completely hypocritical in the sense that you could have just said "I don't agree with out" as well?

[CowShark]

Singing for a video game doesn't demand the same amount of technique that singing for an audience does. Trust me, I would know this, and I can take pictures of certificates and awards for reference if need be.

Please do.

Show off your singing credentials!

(I must ask, because what could they be?)

[flomarilius]

Rofl can we put a ****ing asterik up on this guy because if we want to put an asterik on Barry Bonds we might as well make a instrument called the hummer. So cheap and fake

-boo

[Destromas]

He wasn't playing on world tour. He was playing solo and playing for score. I'm not interested in the techniques needed to play for score, myself. I'm content just to have fun. WHICH IS FINE. That doesn't mean that those who use techniques to maximize their score and combo and any of the instruments is somehow a bad person worthy of seemingly endless string of offensive insults. Because what they are doing? ALSO FINE.

So now that your poorly formed latter half of the argument gives me permission, I will continue the endless string of offensive insults.

Kazoo Hero: $30
Skin Flute Hero: Free
Watching Tubguy FC a song on Youtube: Priceless.

P.S. Anyone who runs out of breath like that while singing defeats the purpose of singing. The point is to be able to sing with control of your breath in the first place. That's what makes good singers good and hummers... hah! That's what it sounded like. A hummer!

[Destromas]

Isn't that completely hypocritical in the sense that you could have just said "I don't agree with out" as well?

No, because there's not really anything to agree or disagree about. Nor do i like or dislike him.

[MarkMadness]

So now that your poorly formed latter half of the argument gives me permission, I will continue the endless string of offensive insults.

Kazoo Hero: $30
Skin Flute Hero: Free
Watching Tubguy FC a song on Youtube: Priceless.

P.S. Anyone who runs out of breath like that while singing defeats the purpose of singing. The point is to be able to sing with control of your breath in the first place. That's what makes good singers good and hummers... hah! That's what it sounded like. A hummer!

He's not singing for real. He's playing Rock Band. Last time I checked, when you are playing a GAME, not SINGING FOR REAL, and you have just done something amazing, you would want to NOT-SCREW UP. Please, correct me If I'm wrong.

[west siide]

No, you were assuming things. That was the whole point of your post. I get that you phrased your assumptions as a question, but the structure of that question was still assuming a limited number of answers to your question. Making spurious suggestions and then disclaiming responsibility with "I didn't SAY that, I only asked" is frankly disingenuous. You suggested that his actions were shady. It doesn't matter that you didn't accuse him of being shady. "Suggesting" it is still a form of making assumptions.

But beyond that, calling my respond "condescending" and "antagonistic" is most entirely unfair. My reply to you was very even-handed and deliberate and your hostile response is entirely unwarranted. Frankly, though, I've found people who jump to accuse someone of being condescending are often saying more about their own ego and sense of self than they are about someone else's actions. Don't worry. I won't be "reporting you".



You continue to misrepresent what I wrote. I asked for anyone to respond to my questions. I have to pose the question - you just took issue with the way I did it. Well SOOOOORRRRYYYYY that you didn't like that.

You're welcome to try and twist my words around to try and turn my questions into assumptions or what have you. The facts are, it stand as is, no matter that you want to make it sound like something more sinister. What's disingenuous is your blatant attempt to attack me and then paint me with the same brush. You WERE consdescending and you WERE antagnostic. The fact that those traits were brought to light is something that you will have to take responsibility for, not me.

You were not even-handed, and you were hostile, with ZERO provocation for it.

I asked questions and you responded with attacks. The irony of you pointing out that people who mention that people are condescending have issues with their own ego and sense of self speaks VOLUMES about you. You don't like that I pointed it out, and now you're trying to turn the tables on me with this little reverse psychology game.

Personal attacks are unwarranted, and I am yet to make any. It's a shame you can't say the same. And if you cross the line to the extend that other person did, I will have no hesitation in reporting you as well.

[Destromas]

Please do.

Show off your singing credentials!

(I must ask, because what could they be?)

I'll take pictures, upload em later. I'll make an entire thread of recordings I'm on, certificates and my Bachelor's in Music.

[BStu78]

So now that your poorly formed latter half of the argument gives me permission, I will continue the endless string of offensive insults.

Kazoo Hero: $30
Skin Flute Hero: Free
Watching Tubguy FC a song on Youtube: Priceless.

P.S. Anyone who runs out of breath like that while singing defeats the purpose of singing. The point is to be able to sing with control of your breath in the first place. That's what makes good singers good and hummers... hah! That's what it sounded like. A hummer!

Yes, yes. We all get how "in your face" you are. It is obviously such a thrill to be able to say crude things online. Why, I don't believe I've ever seen that before.

You are to "edgy" as a goth kid who dresses like all the other goth kids is to non-conformity.

[Destromas]

He's not singing for real. He's playing Rock Band. Last time I checked, when you are playing a GAME, not SINGING FOR REAL, and you have just done something amazing, you would want to NOT-SCREW UP. Please, correct me If I'm wrong.

Then why do the words scroll across the screen? Just to waste time? Good idea. But I don't blame HMX for crediting the song. Only Tubguy for ruining it.

[area]

This thread needs shut down. It is completely insane to let the kiddies take potshots at Bill when he didn't even start the thread (not that it would be justified if he did). People have gone WAY beyond critique of the technique and gone straight to personal attacks on Bill and others. I would be wielding a mighty banhammer if I owned it!

[Hindesite]

I gotta admit, I find little merit in the method he used to FC the song.

Yes, he did FC it, and one one else could... that's an accomplishment.

Do I find it praise-worthy, though? No. I don't. He didn't sing, he didn't earn it. Period.

But either way, congrats to him on finally achieving something he had his sights set on. I guess that's better then giving up.

[Destromas]

It's okay. I'm done here. You guys can go back to asking for his autograph.

[cHaNg-sTa]

Have you completely ignored his other actual singing videos? He only "ran out of breath" because he was excited that he FC'd. And if it makes him happy (it would make me happy as well) then what gives you the right to completely rip it apart?

[MarkMadness]

Then why do the words scroll across the screen? Just to waste time? Good idea. But I don't blame HMX for crediting the song. Only Tubguy for ruining it.

Then why does it detect pitch, allowing you to hum? Until you fc Next to You, you're not really able to say **** about Bill.

This thread needs shut down. It is completely insane to let the kiddies take potshots at Bill when he didn't even start the thread (not that it would be justified if he did). People have gone WAY beyond critique of the technique and gone straight to personal attacks on Bill and others. I would be wielding a mighty banhammer if I owned it!

Yes, these wannabes that keep bashing Bill are beyond stupid. And you can say the same about me, getting in an argument with these people. But I really don't care, because I'm not the douche that started this flaming.

[skullpit]

Just for the record, I never bashed Bill personally. Just his technique.

[MarkMadness]

Just for the record, I never bashed Bill personally. Just his technique.

Oh, much better.

[BStu78]

You continue to misrepresent what I wrote. I asked for anyone to respond to my questions. I have to pose the question - you just took issue with the way I did it. Well SOOOOORRRRYYYYY that you didn't like that.

You're welcome to try and twist my words around to try and turn my questions into assumptions or what have you. The facts are, it stand as is, no matter that you want to make it sound like something more sinister. What's disingenuous is your blatant attempt to attack me and then paint me with the same brush. You WERE consdescending and you WERE antagnostic. The fact that those traits were brought to light is something that you will have to take responsibility for, not me.

You were not even-handed, and you were hostile, with ZERO provocation for it.

I asked questions and you responded with attacks. The irony of you pointing out that people who mention that people are condescending have issues with their own ego and sense of self speaks VOLUMES about you. You don't like that I pointed it out, and now you're trying to turn the tables on me with this little reverse psychology game.

Personal attacks are unwarranted, and I am yet to make any. It's a shame you can't say the same. And if you cross the line to the extend that other person did, I will have no hesitation in reporting you as well.

This is really just sad. But again, I'm really not going to "report" you. I promise.