View Full Version : Post Metal (Isis, Cult of Luna, Rosetta, Pelican, etc.)
Raeiin
11-08-2007, 12:27 PM
Post Metal. After reading through the forums a bit, I realized that not many people know about this genre of music. It is relatively new, but over the past couple years has become my favorite music genre, and I thought it might be fun to introduce this to people here at the Rock Band forums. Heck, maybe Harmonix will notice and put a Post Metal song in their game as DLC.
Here is the definition of Post Metal:
Post-metal is a music genre, a mixture between the genres of post-rock and heavy metal, with roots in progressive rock and industrial music. It is broadly characterized by distorted guitar, heavy atmospherics, gradual evolution of song structure, and a minimal emphasis on vocals.
Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_metal
Here's a slightly more in-depth look at what Post Metal is:
The simplest way to define post-metal is as a mix of post-rock and metal. This indicates the interplay of light and dark - taking the distorted guitars and guttural vocals of metal and post-hardcore and setting that against the clean instrumentalism of post-rock. Pieces tend to be at a slow- to mid-tempo, focusing on chord changes and barrages of sound rather than lead guitar riffing and shredding, and usually eschewing guitar solos. Post-metal tends not to feature the discordance present in much of modern hardcore, a feature present in music by contemporaries such as Converge and Dillinger Escape Plan.
Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_metal
Here is a look at the way Post Metal songs are structured:
Post-metal is also defined by structure, which leans far more towards that of post-rock than metal: songs tend to 'evolve' to a crescendo or climax (or multiple ones within a song), building upon a repeated theme or chord shift, whereas metal, however, often adheres to verse-chorus-verse conventions of song structure. As Aaron Turner of Isis states, "the standard song format of verse-chorus-verse-chorus is something that has been done and redone, and it seems pointless to adhere to that structure when there are so many other avenues to explore". The result of this is often long songs, commonly in the range of six to eleven minutes. Therefore a typical post-metal track is not generally suitable for radio play, nor is it commercially viable. Similarly, albums are often created as quasi-conceptual, creating the greatest impact when listened to as a whole. Likewise, it is not uncommon to see literary influences on albums, such as Red Sparowes' At the Soundless Dawn. This is arguably what makes the genre such an element of the avant-garde. It draws upon the ideas of contemporary classical music and minimalism in the vein of Steve Reich (i.e. repetition and expansion of a theme) and John Cage, at the same time as the metal scene.
A typical post-metal piece might start with a lone guitar, but eventually build to six-plus members playing simultaneously, as shown in songs like "Genesis" from The Beyond by Cult of Luna. Likewise, a post-metal song may leap "head-first" into the music, with distortion and aggression evident from the start. Songs like this challenge the definition of the genre, but the majority of them will contain clean interludes or lulls, usually as parts of a build-up in themselves. Relevant examples include "False Light" from Oceanic by Isis, "Australasia" from Australasia by Pelican, or "Monstrously Low Tide" from "Leaving Your Body Map" by maudlin of the Well.
Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_metal
And here is a bit about instrumentation and vocals/lyrics:
A typical post-metal set-up includes two or three guitars, a bass guitar, synthesizers, a drum kit and a vocalist. There are a number of completely instrumental post-metal bands, such as Pelican. Orchestral passages are not uncommon, especially in the work of Cult of Luna, Intronaut, Kayo Dot and Boris have music strongly influenced by jazz.
The overall sound is generally very low, with guitars being detuned sometimes to as low as B, the equivalent of a 7-string guitar. Production is usually very tight, and there is little "garage band" feel to the music. This allows for pervasive or minimalist sections, as in clean guitars or synth, to come through more clearly.
The general philosophy behind post-metal production is that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, so each instrument is usually given about equal presence. Vocals are often not particularly high in the mix, and in most cases are in the style of hardcore or metal, i.e. guttural and shouted, rather than clean or shrieked as in emo, or growled in death metal. Lyrics cover a broad spectrum of issues, usually somewhat metaphysical, existentialist or macroscopic, as opposed to deeply personal or directly allegorical. Themes often include political dissatisfaction, or criticism of herd mentality.
Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_metal
And finally, here is a list of notable Post Metal bands:
* Battle of Mice
* Boris
* Callisto
* Cult of Luna
* Intronaut
* Isis
* Jesu
* Kayo Dot
* Giant Squid
* Khoma
* Made Out of Babies
* Mouth of the Architect
* Neurosis
* Pelican
* Red Sparowes
* Rosetta
* Russian Circles
Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_metal
I think that pretty well explains what Post Metal is all about. Now I'll give some of my thought concerning Post Metal.
Post Metal is really an amazing genre. I've never been one for short, catchy verse-chorus-verse music, so Post Metal is really a godsend for me. Post Metal music is just so powerful and emotional, and I love that.
Some of my favorite Post Metal band are Pelican, Cult of Luna, Rosetta, and Isis.
Ah yes, Isis. This is the band that created Post Metal, and they also happen to be the best Post Metal band out there right now. I really, really love their music. It's just so amazing. I would recommend Isis, specifically Panopticon, to anyone interested in Post Metal.
So there you have it: Post Metal. Hopefully this post gets some of you guys interested in this great genre of music.
battle_axe_of_doom
11-08-2007, 05:41 PM
boris isn't post metal, and post metal can get pretty boring. there are some damn great bands tho (cult of luna, pelican, etc)
Intellectualdiot
11-08-2007, 06:38 PM
(What we know may very well surprise you, Raelin ha.)
I'd also have issues with classifying Kayo Dot as "post-metal" in the traditionally understood sense, and suggest that they are more aligned with the so-called avant-metal movement of the last decade or so. Whatever though. It's not as if these things are of the utmost importance. Eh, it could be worse - Slint could be on that list. *Shudders*
I'll admit - I think most post-rock and post-metal is quite boring, but there are some bands that intrigue me. I recently found out about The Samuel Jackson Five, who are actually pretty interesting. Not entirely distinct enough to maintain my interest, but their occasional use of electronic sounds as the main melodic instrument is nice.
Would I like to see it in Rock Band though? Yeah, definitely. It'd show me that HMX is serious about providing a musical buffet to the player rather than simply catering to mainstream tastes. I'm all for it, and I could defintely see myself picking up some tracks as well.
beerman
11-09-2007, 12:18 AM
I've dabbled a bit in this genre. Metredium Fields is a good album, In The Absence Of Truth is great, but I recently purchased A Sun That Never Sets and it was absolute ****. Can anyone recommend anything better?
Raeiin
11-09-2007, 01:17 AM
Try checking out Wake/Lift by Rosetta or Panopticon by Isis, beerman. They are both great albums that really show what Post Metal is about.
And actually, I agree with you guys that Boris isn't really Post Metal. I just quoted that list from Wikipedia, and it's not 100% accurate.
I can also understand that some people find Post music boring. It is long and drawn out, and sometimes not a lot happens over the course of 2 or 3 minutes in a Post song. But for Post fans, that's what makes Post music so awesome. That drawn out, slowly building characteristic of Post is what we love so much.
battle_axe_of_doom
11-09-2007, 04:48 AM
I've dabbled a bit in this genre. Metredium Fields is a good album, In The Absence Of Truth is great, but I recently purchased A Sun That Never Sets and it was absolute ****. Can anyone recommend anything better?
i'd stay away from neurosis. i never liked them at all
as for other worthy albums, get anything by cult of luna, fantastic band. also get at least one album by pelican if you can
Chthonic
11-09-2007, 05:38 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that artists who tack the stem "post-" onto their chosen musical pigeonhole come off as completely pretentious? First off, this piece of nomenclature is extremely unhelpful, even more so than the label "progressive". (Meshuggah and Dream Theater are arguably both "progressive" metal, as in they tend to avoid typical popular music song structure, but do they sound anything alike? Not really).
Secondly, it implies that whatever music it is based off is over and done with, which is far from being the case. You can call your music "post-rock" when "rock" ceases to exist, thank you very much.
That's not to slag off all the bands that group themselves under this umbrella term. Many of them are quite good, (Isis, for example), and it's great that not everyone is adhering to the same approaches towards songwriting, even though it's far from being a new development (classical music is far beyond anything in these genres when it comes to non-linear musical progression, but that doesn't mean you have to refer to it as "pre-pop progressive").
In short, I do not so much have a problem with the music itself, but this banal and facile genre label grinds my gears, and then some. (Then again, most genre-jerking does).
battle_axe_of_doom
11-09-2007, 06:09 AM
i don't see your point. there are problems with every genre label, but for simplicity's sake its better to pidgeonhole them into one genre. as much beef as i have with the alternative rock and indie rock labels its better than alternative nu progressive rock or grage post punk revival rock. most of those bands sound similar one way or another so why not just call it post-metal instead of whatever else you wanna call it??
Intellectualdiot
11-09-2007, 07:50 AM
Never mistake the genre for the musicians within it. Rarely do musicians advocate these stringent labels, but instead these things are often created by the people whose task it is to critique them and lend them context. Case in point - the "post-rock" label. A trend in recent years has been to present Slint as the progenitors of the genre, but you can be certain that Slint themselves never referred to their seminal release as such. Nor do I believe that Millions Now Living Will Never Die was advertised by Tortoise as a post-rock record, though it would come to be attributed to the release.
Of course, there are artists who openly label their music - and derisively so - like Pere Ubu ("avant-garage", which is so clever that it makes me kick myself every time for not having coined it first) and Primus (who've referred to their music as "psychedelic polka") The genre should be considered of a similar importance as the band's name or aesthetic - ultimately worthless to the music itself, but often important to whether or not that band is even acknowledged by potential listeners. It's a sad, but true, fact. But pretentious? That's a weighty word. Be careful when and where you sling it.
Raeiin
11-09-2007, 10:46 AM
I have to point out that the term "Post Metal" was not what the creators of the genre(Isis) named the genre. Actually, I don't think Isis has really ever called themselves "Post Metal". Aaron Turner, the lead singer/guitarist of Isis, called the genre "Thinking-Man's Metal", which I think is pretty accurate. The music is complex and NOT catchy, and the songs require some "study" to understand. That sounds like "Thinking-Man's Metal" to me. But somehow, the label Post Metal was received, and it stuck.
battle_axe_of_doom
11-09-2007, 12:51 PM
i don't think its very complex at all. not to say that its simple or ****ty, but it follows a "generic" formula that mostly every band in the post-rock and post-metal genres use. again i'm not knocking the bands since i just said before that the elite bands of this genre are fantastic but they ain't all that complex or whatever
newwaytodie
11-14-2007, 02:50 PM
Isis and Cult of Luna are fantastic. Agalloch is pretty awesome too. I didn't see them listed up there but then again they've been classified as many different things.
Post-Metal is a fitting term to a degree. Sub-Genres only exist to narrow down massive amounts of variation within a genre. Personally I love all metal, add whatever prefix you want in front of it.
COLDBLOODED_BMC
11-16-2007, 11:50 AM
i'd stay away from neurosis. i never liked them at all
as for other worthy albums, get anything by cult of luna, fantastic band. also get at least one album by pelican if you can
The new Neurosis is AWSOME, and I have never been a fan of theirs. Going to see ISIS for the 8th time Sunday in SF. Also, not really Post-Metal, but Between the Buried and Me ****ing ROCK>
bounchfx
11-16-2007, 12:47 PM
actually listening to red sparows right now lol, isis and jesu rule
GiantRobot
11-20-2007, 09:49 PM
Pelican is the greatest goddamn band right this second. I cannot fathom how ****ing perfect they are and their progression is just getting better and better.
ShesCake
11-21-2007, 09:47 AM
Pelican and Red Sparrowes are wondrous. I must say I am also quite a fan of Jesu. For those who enjoy "thinking-music," give Sun O))) a taste. Good 'ol drone metal.
GiantRobot
11-21-2007, 03:15 PM
Pelican and Red Sparrowes are wondrous. I must say I am also quite a fan of Jesu. For those who enjoy "thinking-music," give Sun O))) a taste. Good 'ol drone metal.
I recently saw Jesu and met Justin Broadrick a few weeks ago at a show. Such a nice down to earth guy. Sun O))) is freaking amazing!
lots of kick ass people on this board it seems :)
LetheanGrazer
09-19-2008, 11:03 AM
So did we, grinning mouths and wrists of kings by Isis would be too much fun.
Drought, Bliss in the Concrete and Dead Between the Walls by Pelican would be a blast too due to the stomping riffs in those songs.
Phobophobia
09-19-2008, 08:37 PM
So did we, grinning mouths and wrists of kings by Isis would be too much fun.
Drought, Bliss in the Concrete and Dead Between the Walls by Pelican would be a blast too due to the stomping riffs in those songs.
****ing LOVE Pelican. Damnit, I forgot i regiestered on this board (GiantRobot) above....
but yea, I just saw Boris/Torche a few weeks ago. Not Post metal per se, but are associated with that circle/record labels.
afterstasis
09-19-2008, 08:40 PM
****ing LOVE Pelican. Damnit, I forgot i regiestered on this board (GiantRobot) above....
but yea, I just saw Boris/Torche a few weeks ago. Not Post metal per se, but are associated with that circle/record labels.
torche put on one hell of a show. :)
Phobophobia
09-19-2008, 08:42 PM
which Torche show did you go to?
I was at the San Francisco and Los Angeles shows. Drove 800 miles round trip to see them back to back nights in 24 hours!
afterstasis
09-19-2008, 08:45 PM
which Torche show did you go to?
I was at the San Francisco and Los Angeles shows. Drove 800 miles round trip to see them back to back nights in 24 hours!
i saw torche about a year and a half ago in atlanta.
i wanted to see them recently in north carolina, but i was in a car accident a few months ago and haven't regained the ability to stand or walk at will. :)
cdestey
09-19-2008, 09:19 PM
i'd stay away from neurosis. i never liked them at all
as for other worthy albums, get anything by cult of luna, fantastic band. also get at least one album by pelican if you can
This is insanity. How can anyone tell someone to stay away from a band when the bands you recommend wouldn't exist without them?
afterstasis
09-19-2008, 09:25 PM
This is insanity. How can anyone tell someone to stay away from a band when the bands you recommend wouldn't exist without them?
i was pretty disturbed by that post as well.
i like cult of luna and all, but neurosis man...
cdestey
09-19-2008, 09:29 PM
Yeah, I like those bands too, and I can understand if one prefers another band in this genre over Neurosis. But to just plain say to stay away from them? Crazy.
I'd also like to add that the new Burst album is pretty damn good, as well. As is the new Intronaut.
DethBoxx
09-19-2008, 09:38 PM
Boris really having nothing to do with post metal as was pointed out.
Isis-Panopticon is a great post metal album though.
WhiffleBallTony
09-19-2008, 09:46 PM
I'm only really into Isis as far as post metal goes. As many of you know, I love doom metal. They are kind of similar genres, though. I think I'll investigate some of the suggestions made here.
cdestey
09-19-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm only really into Isis as far as post metal goes. As many of you know, I love doom metal. They are kind of similar genres, though. I think I'll investigate some of the suggestions made here.
I think Neurosis has, at times, gotten pretty close to doom.
JukeBoxHero
09-20-2008, 12:12 AM
i was pretty disturbed by that post as well.
i like cult of luna and all, but neurosis man...
Back when battle axe of doom was here, he was sorta of a picky music listener.
afterstasis
09-20-2008, 12:13 AM
Back when battle axe of doom was here, he was sorta of a picky music listener.
nothing against him (i don't think i was here when he was), but it's a little jarring for me to hear.
i'm sure there's a situation where someone would say the same about my tastes. :)
brooks55
09-21-2008, 04:00 AM
Isis is so great. Oceanic is their best album, though pretty much everything they have done is close to perfect. Cult of Luna is a close second to Isis. I'm also a big fan of Pelican & Old Man Gloom. Big fan of Jesu also, but I don't consider Jesu post metal.
JukeBoxHero
09-21-2008, 05:15 PM
nothing against him (i don't think i was here when he was), but it's a little jarring for me to hear.
i'm sure there's a situation where someone would say the same about my tastes. :)
Yeah, I think battle axe stop posting in December.(I thought it was around that time, just had to check).
TheMeatball
09-21-2008, 05:32 PM
I've only really gotten into Pelican, but I have to say it makes fantastic studying music.
JerryBrudos
09-22-2008, 02:17 AM
Could I get a few video links of some recommended post-metal songs? I've really never heard of any of these bands.
afterstasis
09-22-2008, 11:31 AM
Could I get a few video links of some recommended post-metal songs? I've really never heard of any of these bands.
sure dude...
i'm admittedly really picky with this style of music, which is strange considering post-rock is relatively easy to impress me with, but here are some of my favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEVyDjxsUrk
neurosis - locust star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPhl1vGRyXQ
cult of luna - back to chapel town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96RZDup-yxE
jesu - silver
Phobophobia
09-25-2008, 10:37 PM
sure dude...
i'm admittedly really picky with this style of music, which is strange considering post-rock is relatively easy to impress me with, but here are some of my favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEVyDjxsUrk
neurosis - locust star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPhl1vGRyXQ
cult of luna - back to chapel town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96RZDup-yxE
jesu - silver
some good recommendations.
Jesu is relaly hard to classify and that is one of the geniuses of Justin Broadrick, but i can see Jesu labeled with the Post-Metal genre.
I would also recommend some Rosetta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRtPmMBEC2Y
A lot of this stuff requires TIME to listen to. You can't just listen to this stuff on one passing or not paying attention.
cdestey
09-25-2008, 11:06 PM
afterstasis, will you marry me?
Locust Star is one of the greatest songs ever recorded. (hyperbole overdrive!)
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