A Kite Surfer Slammed During Huricane Faye

[freakonate]

Dumbass kite surfing during tropical storm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-N38uHF1rI
Link to article: http://cbs4.com/local/Kite.Surfer.las.2.798049.html

[AlliterationAmy]

Shows how stupid some people can be, I can't believe it. I mean, did you know that some people think Russia is the aggressor in the current war between them and Georgia? Some people, gawd.

[killer_roach]

Shows how stupid some people can be, I can't believe it. I mean, did you know that some people think Russia is the aggressor in the current war between them and Georgia? Some people, gawd.

Except, you know... they are. :)

That video is just painful to watch...

[AlliterationAmy]

Except, you know... they are. :)

That video is just painful to watch...
Nah, dude. Who told you so? The media? Was it Fox News, lolz? Do a little research, meng.

[Lithium_666]

i would kite surf during a tropical storm

[Mystlyfe77]

Shows how stupid some people can be, I can't believe it. I mean, did you know that some people think Russia is the aggressor in the current war between them and Georgia? Some people, gawd.

I'm going to take a guess and say you either have relatives or are descended from Ossetians or Russians...
Saying that is like saying France wasn't an aggressor against Great Britain during the American Revolution. The conflict was between the Georgians and Ossetians (who are still internationally considered part of Georgia), not the Russians. Russia invaded Georgia, not the other way around.

[Lithium_666]

dude you sometimes gotta ignore mcdreads....... i mean amy

[Bass182]

He was already dead by the time that was taken. He was thrown into the ocean and he drowned. Then his body got thrown everywhere.

[AlliterationAmy]

The conflict was between the Georgians and Ossetians (who are still internationally considered part of Georgia), not the Russians. Russia invaded Georgia, not the other way around.
Actually, that's where you are wrong. South Ossetia has declared its independence quite some time ago, however, The independence has not been recognized by any member of the United Nations, that is why people regard South Ossetia as part of Georgia, when in fact, it is not. As it so happened, Georgia started firing upon South Ossetia, and then Russia came in at their defense. Georgia was directly firing at the capital of S. Ossetia, killing innocent civilians, and injuring many more. Russia then attacked the invading Georgians and forced them to retreat from the capital, all while sending troops and armor to secure the city from any further invasions. I can go on, but I'll save you the reading.

The sad thing is that the American media is covering all this up, making it look like Russia is the aggressor and people are actually getting fooled by this! If you haven't learned not to believe the American media by now, I have some bad news for you about many events that happened in the past.

Edit: A girl from Ossetia tries to tell her story and the truth about the war while the news abruptly cuts her off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAQ6Ah93vgo

[Mystlyfe77]

Actually, that's where you are wrong. South Ossetia has declared its independence quite some time ago, however, The independence has not been recognized by any member of the United Nations, that is why people regard South Ossetia as part of Georgia, when in fact, it is not. As it so happened, Georgia started firing upon South Ossetia, and then Russia came in at their defense. Georgia was directly firing at the capital of S. Ossetia, killing innocent civilians, and injuring many more. Russia then attacked the invading Georgians and forced them to retreat from the capital, all while sending troops and armor to secure the city from any further invasions. I can go on, but I'll save you the reading.

The sad thing is that the American media is covering all this up, making it look like Russia is the aggressor and people are actually getting fooled by this! If you haven't learned not to believe the American media by now, I have some bad news for you about many events that happened in the past.

Edit: A girl from Ossetia tries to tell her story and the truth about the war while the news abruptly cuts her off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAQ6Ah93vgo

Okay, I hate Fox News as much as the next liberal, but come on. This isn't a media conspiracy to cover up the truth. Commercials take place all the time, and interviews are always cut short. The fact remains he gave her extra time after the break to attempt to tell her story is more than almost any interview gets.
Just because Ossetia declares independence does not make them an independent nation. No more than Joe Schmoe decideds that his property is no longer territory of the United States.
There was a WAR for independence of the United States from England. Independence is NOT a unilateral decision. Canada and Australia had very gradual shifts towards independence from Britain, and neither gained it until the 20th century. India's story is also well known. Look at Taiwan for another modern example, as while it's essentially independent of the People's Republic of China, it is technically part of it. That's why it's known as Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.
The closest example I can think of would be Kosovo, and the ongoing conflict regarding their status.

Bottom line, Georgia was dealing with matters that were inside their autonomous control. While the way they handled these matters was negative, it should have been dealt with properly, rather than Russian invasion. The Russians were the aggressors in this conflict.

[AlliterationAmy]

Bottom line, Georgia was dealing with matters that were inside their autonomous control. While the way they handled these matters was negative, it should have been dealt with properly, rather than Russian invasion. The Russians were the aggressors in this conflict.

Did you even read anything I wrote. I flat out proved WITH FACTS that Georgia was the aggressor. Since you apparently ignored my facts, I'd like you to find a few of your facts to prove that Russia is the aggressor, as you have stated. Anyone can make a bold statement like that, but they're not taken seriously until they can back up their statement with solid evidence, something I have not seen you do as of yet. At this point, I am forced to believe you're trolling me.

[AlliterationAmy]

Okay, I hate Fox News as much as the next liberal, but come on. This isn't a media conspiracy to cover up the truth. Commercials take place all the time, and interviews are always cut short. The fact remains he gave her extra time after the break to attempt to tell her story is more than almost any interview gets.

It may or may not be a media conspiracy to cover up the truth, but take close notice of the interview. In the video, the reporter said that it was the end of the hour and that they were wrapping up the show. What kind of news team grants people interviews but doesn't inform them of a so-called "break", but instead they rudely interrupt and cut them off mid-interview and over all, just before the show is about to finish? There's obviously something we don't know.


Just because Ossetia declares independence does not make them an independent nation. No more than Joe Schmoe decideds that his property is no longer territory of the United States.
There was a WAR for independence of the United States from England. Independence is NOT a unilateral decision. Canada and Australia had very gradual shifts towards independence from Britain, and neither gained it until the 20th century. India's story is also well known. Look at Taiwan for another modern example, as while it's essentially independent of the People's Republic of China, it is technically part of it. That's why it's known as Chinese Taipei in the Olympics.

As you have stated, many nations have fought for their independence. Although it's not official, S. Ossetia as technically been independent for 15 or so years, working as their own nation. And as you have also stated, many nations had to fight for their freedom, which is what S. Ossetia is going through with their former nation of Georgia trying to stop them as any nation would. You pretty much backed up what I said by proving Georgia had an incentive for invading S. Ossetia, so thanks for that.



Bottom line, Georgia was dealing with matters that were inside their autonomous control. While the way they handled these matters was negative, it should have been dealt with properly, rather than Russian invasion. The Russians were the aggressors in this conflict.

Did you even read anything I wrote. I flat out proved WITH FACTS that Georgia was the aggressor. Since you apparently ignored my facts, I'd like you to find a few of your facts to prove that Russia is the aggressor, as you have stated. Anyone can make a bold statement like that, but they're not taken seriously until they can back up their statement with solid evidence, something I have not seen you do as of yet. At this point, I am forced to believe you're trolling me.

[Mystlyfe77]

You did not prove anything with facts. South Ossetia is NOT A COUNTRY. GEORGIA CANNOT INVADE GEORGIA.
Taiwan operates essentially independently, yet they are not sovereign states at this time. The same applies to Ossetia. It is NOT an independent nation at this time, and Georgia is their CURRENT country, not former. Ossetia declared their independence in 1992, but that does not mean they actually are independent, it means they want to be independent.
In order to be an independent state, you must be RECOGNIZED AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE. Ossetia is not recognized by a single member of the UN. EVERY SINGLE ONE recognizes it part of Georgian territory.
That means Russian troops crossed what they regarded as a Georgian border when they crossed into South Ossetia. Thus they were the aggressor.


Also, apparently you haven't watched cable news before. Virtually every interview ends with "we've got to go to commercial" or something along those lines. The only different with this one is they actually returned to the interview afterwards, something that normally isn't done. Or, added coverage for the Georgian refugees.

[AlliterationAmy]

You did not prove anything with facts. South Ossetia is NOT A COUNTRY. GEORGIA CANNOT INVADE GEORGIA.
Taiwan operates essentially independently, yet they are not sovereign states at this time. The same applies to Ossetia. It is NOT an independent nation at this time, and Georgia is their CURRENT country, not former. Ossetia declared their independence in 1992, but that does not mean they actually are independent, it means they want to be independent.
In order to be an independent state, you must be RECOGNIZED AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE. Ossetia is not recognized by a single member of the UN. EVERY SINGLE ONE recognizes it part of Georgian territory.
That means Russian troops crossed what they regarded as a Georgian border when they crossed into South Ossetia. Thus they were the aggressor.


What you obviously don't get is that S. Ossetia has declared its independence some time ago (since you've been using historical ties, so shall I) such as the Colonies of America did to Great Britain via the Declaration of Independence; the Ossetians made it clear that they want to become independent. However, just like the colonies, Ossetia didn't automatically become independent, they had to fight for it. As you probably know, the British landed on the colonies and invaded America, much like how GEORGIA INVADED OSSETIA to try and reclaim their lost land. Now then, we all know what happened after, victory! But all was not won alone; America recieved help from the French, much like how Ossetia received help from Russia.

In both scenarios, A declares independence from B. B goes to war with A. A receives aid from C. So by your logic, you're telling me that France was the aggressor in the Revolutionary War? L O L, sorry, Russia was helping Ossetia by fighting the aggressors, Georgia, and not invading Ossetia. Just like how the French landed in the American colonies to fight Britain (the aggressor), so it's not invading, as you are saying.

Mystlyfe, you're an intelligent guy, why is it so hard for you to realize these simple facts?

[killer_roach]

AlliterationAmy: I take it the missile batteries the Russians have positioned in Tbilisi aren't aggression, hmm?

South Ossetia is still disputed territory until resolved by the United Nations and, as it currently stands, is in Georgian territory. Thereby, it was, as shifty of a situation as it is, an internal political issue until Russia moved in. That would, then, make Russia an aggressor. And you know darn well the Russians aren't talking about honoring Ossetian independence either.

As far as I can tell, you're probably of Russian descent, and have some nationalistic pride. Fair enough. That being said, the Russian military and paramilitary organizations are well out of line on this one, and on most of their foreign policy as of late (threatening to nuke Poland and the Czech Republic?).

And come on... I don't watch Fox News. That aside, they're no worse than MSNBC. Granted, it seems like MSNBC is the proverbial "punks broadcasting out of a closet" (to quote UHF), but still. Either way, television news of any stripe is execrable.

[Cpt. Overkill]

Wow.

This is really sad. Guys, just leave Amy alone. They have to be always right.

[killer_roach]

Why leave her alone? I point out the glaringly obvious, and then she goes rant-o-matic, going into marginally tangential directions and attacking those who don't agree with her neo-Pravda statements.

I don't hit girls, but when they hit me first, they cease to be girls. Just saying.

[LZ_69]

Anyway!!!!.... back on topic. I can't believe that dude didn't let go after the first time he slammed into the ground!:confused: I want to feel bad for the guy but that was a really stupid idea!

That's what happens when you watch to many jackass episodes.:rolleyes:

[killer_roach]

Agreed completely, LZ_69. As painful of a video as it is, though... don't you get a sense of schadenfreude watching it?

[Mystlyfe77]

What you obviously don't get is that S. Ossetia has declared its independence some time ago (since you've been using historical ties, so shall I) such as the Colonies of America did to Great Britain via the Declaration of Independence; the Ossetians made it clear that they want to become independent. However, just like the colonies, Ossetia didn't automatically become independent, they had to fight for it. As you probably know, the British landed on the colonies and invaded America, much like how GEORGIA INVADED OSSETIA to try and reclaim their lost land. Now then, we all know what happened after, victory! But all was not won alone; America recieved help from the French, much like how Ossetia received help from Russia.

In both scenarios, A declares independence from B. B goes to war with A. A receives aid from C. So by your logic, you're telling me that France was the aggressor in the Revolutionary War? L O L, sorry, Russia was helping Ossetia by fighting the aggressors, Georgia, and not invading Ossetia. Just like how the French landed in the American colonies to fight Britain (the aggressor), so it's not invading, as you are saying.

Mystlyfe, you're an intelligent guy, why is it so hard for you to realize these simple facts?

When you declare independence, you are not "lost territory" or a new country. America was not an independent nation in 1776 when it declared independence. It became an independent nation in 1783 after the Treaty of Paris (where Britain recognized it as such).
France absolutely was an aggressor against Britain in the Revolutionary War. Do you think France was doing it because they agreed with the American's viewpoint? No, they were doing it because they wanted revenge for their loss in the Seven Year's War, and hoped to steal a trading partner (North America) from Britain. Spain was even pressured by France to join the war against Britain in 1779 (Spain didn't even recognize the independence of the colonies either).
The worst logic of all would to be saying that Britain wouldn't be the aggressor in the war. The separatist colonies declared independence from Britain, Britain didn't declare war on them.

The bottom line is that, neither Britiain nor Georgia invaded anything but their own territory. They did not strike into a different country. Was America the aggressor in the American civil war? Did they invade the Confederate States of America?

[AlliterationAmy]

The bottom line is that, neither Britiain nor Georgia invaded anything but their own territory. They did not strike into a different country. Was America the aggressor in the American civil war? Did they invade the Confederate States of America?
Yes, that's what I'm trying to prove. That Georgia did in fact invade Ossetia and is as such considered the aggressing party. Russia comes in to defend Ossetia by attacking Georgia. You don't have to attack another country to be considered an aggressor, obviously.

[Mystlyfe77]

Yes, that's what I'm trying to prove. That Georgia did in fact invade Ossetia and is as such considered the aggressing party. Russia comes in to defend Ossetia by attacking Georgia. You don't have to attack another country to be considered an aggressor, obviously.

So you're saying America was the aggressor during the Civil War? Wow.... just wow...

[AlliterationAmy]

So you're saying America was the aggressor during the Civil War? Wow.... just wow...
What, where did you deduct that from? I didn't think I'd have to ask this again, but did you even read anything I wrote? Maybe if you actually take the time to read some of my posts, you'll find the answer you're seeking. God, you've got to be trollin' me. either that or you're just ret@rded

[Mystlyfe77]

What, where did you deduct that from? I didn't think I'd have to ask this again, but did you even read anything I wrote? Maybe if you actually take the time to read some of my posts, you'll find the answer you're seeking. God, you've got to be trollin' me. either that or you're just ret@rded

Yes I did, read what you wrote in response to me.





The bottom line is that, neither Britiain nor Georgia invaded anything but their own territory. They did not strike into a different country. Was America the aggressor in the American civil war? Did they invade the Confederate States of America?

Yes, that's what I'm trying to prove. That Georgia did in fact invade Ossetia and is as such considered the aggressing party. Russia comes in to defend Ossetia by attacking Georgia. You don't have to attack another country to be considered an aggressor, obviously.

I think it's you who isn't reading what the other party is posting...

[AlliterationAmy]

Yes I did, read what you wrote in response to me.






I think it's you who isn't reading what the other party is posting...
Well, I'll admit, I didn't read the last few posts after what I've posted on the second page. But you have to admit, they (Britain & Georgia) did invade the territories, so it is considered aggression. Mkay? And I'll be back in 20 or so minutes, I have a craving for a burrito.

[Mystlyfe77]

Well, I'll admit, I didn't read the last few posts after what I've posted on the second page. But you have to admit, they (Britain & Georgia) did invade the territories, so it is considered aggression. Mkay? And I'll be back in 20 or so minutes, I have a craving for a burrito.

As far as I'm concerned, both Britain and Georgia were dealing with wars within their own territory, between their own citizens (aka a civil war). This is especially true for the Georgian conflicts, as not a single foreign nation recognized South Ossetia as a country currently. France would eventually recognize the United States, but not at the beginning of that war.
In both situations, it was an internal conflict. Neither Britain nor Georgia invaded foreign territory. Neither was an aggressor.
You can continuously repeat your claim that S. Ossetia was independent all you want, but de facto independence doesn't mean that you're your own country. That requires international recognition. South Ossetia did not have that. Thus they were (and are) part of Georgia.

[AlliterationAmy]

As far as I'm concerned, both Britain and Georgia were dealing with wars within their own territory, between their own citizens (aka a civil war). This is especially true for the Georgian conflicts, as not a single foreign nation recognized South Ossetia as a country currently. France would eventually recognize the United States, but not at the beginning of that war.
In both situations, it was an internal conflict. Neither Britain nor Georgia invaded foreign territory. Neither was an aggressor.
You can continuously repeat your claim that S. Ossetia was independent all you want, but de facto independence doesn't mean that you're your own country. That requires international recognition. South Ossetia did not have that. Thus they were (and are) part of Georgia.
Okay.


Why leave her alone? I point out the glaringly obvious, and then she goes rant-o-matic, going into marginally tangential directions and attacking those who don't agree with her neo-Pravda statements.

I don't hit girls, but when they hit me first, they cease to be girls. Just saying.
How dare you. It's not glaringly obvious, quite the opposite, the way I see it anyway.

[killer_roach]

How dare I? Personally I think this is a theadjack and should be locked. I don't see, even disregarding the threadjack, I don't see this being particularly purposeful. You're taking the line taken by the Russian government, we're taking the line taken by the EU, the UN, and NATO. Neither of us is budging, either; you have reasons to defend Russia, that's fine, but I refuse to shill for a country that is threatening to nuke the Czech Republic and Poland and tried shutting off oil supplies to the Ukraine, to say nothing about anything else they've done.

[GameJunkyJim]

How dare I? Personally I think this is a theadjack and should be locked. I don't see, even disregarding the threadjack, I don't see this being particularly purposeful. You're taking the line taken by the Russian government, we're taking the line taken by the EU, the UN, and NATO. Neither of us is budging, either; you have reasons to defend Russia, that's fine, but I refuse to shill for a country that is threatening to nuke the Czech Republic and Poland and tried shutting off oil supplies to the Ukraine, to say nothing about anything else they've done.
It's ridiculous. Russia is at worst analogous to France during our Revolutionary War, or Britain during our Civil War. It's not like they invaded a Sovereign Nation, destroyed it's military, displaced it's leader, and yanked down his statues, all without reason.

[killer_roach]

It's ridiculous. Russia is at worst analogous to France during our Revolutionary War, or Britain during our Civil War. It's not like they invaded a Sovereign Nation, destroyed it's military, displaced it's leader, and yanked down his statues, all without reason.

Last I checked, Georgia was a sovereign nation, although its leader is still around (albeit in hiding, and may have fled the country).

And "without reason", in your example, isn't what you think it is. :)

[GameJunkyJim]

Last I checked, Georgia was a sovereign nation, although its leader is still around (albeit in hiding, and may have fled the country).

And "without reason", in your example, isn't what you think it is. :)

I know there was a reason, just not the ones Gee Dubya told us.

I hate that this country was dumb enough to reelect him.

What Russia is doing in Georgia is the same as france did for the US, or what the US did for Israel etc. Russia recognizes Ossetia as independent.

Better yet, Ossetia recognizes itself as independent. It asked for help with it's independence and is getting it. Good for them. Anything worth dying for is worth having.

Who are the UN or EU to decide? The decision should belong to the province alone.

[killer_roach]

Last I checked, in the Revolutionary War France didn't, in addition to sending troops to Virginia and Massachusetts, proceed to shell London and mount a blockade of the North Sea. Or, for that matter, Georgia didn't have fourteen UN Security Council resolutions condemning it.

Just saying.