NO JOKE! WE NEED 50s MUSIC NOW! please...

[a21schizoidman]

please lock this now mods, no point in trying to discuss something with ppl who dont know how to read

[woofmix]

Ok, I will admit it now. I never heard a 50's song before :(


therefore


BRING ON 50'S I WANT TO PLAY SOME IN ROCK BAND.

[Rev0lver]

i'm apparantly close minded.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

i'm apparantly close minded.

We've had nothing but metal for weeks. No more for a while.

Yes, we need 50s songs!

[afterstasis]

i love 50's music, but i'm not holding my breath.

[Tenfrente]

Some Beatles pl0x.

[Spandrel]

Man, I would love a Buddy Holly pack. This was back before you could do much post-production work, so all of the songs are great raw guitar, bass, and drums tracks. The problem is that there is probably no access to master tracks from these songs and they'd have to all be covers. Covers just wouldn't be the same.

There is a conspicuous lack of 50's Elvis on your initial list, though.

[Cranioclash]

Clothes minded?

Closed minded.

[a21schizoidman]

Some Beatles pl0x.

Beatles were 60s...

[a21schizoidman]

Man, I would love a Buddy Holly pack. This was back before you could do much post-production work, so all of the songs are great raw guitar, bass, and drums tracks. The problem is that there is probably no access to master tracks from these songs and they'd have to all be covers. Covers just wouldn't be the same.

There is a conspicuous lack of 50's Elvis on your initial list, though.

he needs his own thread, plus, think of the flame wars that would start

[Highlandlassie1]

Johnny B. Goode would be the HOLY GRAIL of Rockband songs.

I STILL get chills down my spine when I hear this song cranked up.

Toss in the Bill Haley, and some ELVIS, and you would have an epic pack.

God, it would be awesome to have some of this stuff in the game.

Thanks for having the balls to start a poll, and post on this.

Without Johnny B. Goode, Rock and roll would not have turned out the same.

That song was the biggest turning point in musical history.

[a21schizoidman]

Johnny B. Goode would be the HOLY GRAIL of Rockband songs.

Toss in the Bill Haley, and some ELVIS, and you would have an epic pack.

God, it would be awesome to have some of this stuff in the game.

Thanks for having the balls to start a poll, and post on this.

Without Johnny B. Goode, Rock and roll would not have turned out the same.

Id also love some Jerry Lee Lewis, the Killer would be amazing in RB!!!!!!

[Highlandlassie1]

Id also love some Jerry Lee Lewis, the Killer would be amazing in RB!!!!!!
I love JLL, but we would need a keyboard controller wouldnt we?

[a21schizoidman]

I love JLL, but we would need a keyboard controller wouldnt we?

see,we have a Keyboard controller, its called a plastic guitar, lol

just pretend its a Key-tar

[HeavyMetalKing]

I'm not here to support or oppose this idea. I'm here to point out the ridiculous bias in your poll. So basically, if someone doesn't agree with you then they are automatically closed minded metal heads? Talk about a generalization...the only true "no" option you've given people is the one that talks about not agreeing with your song choices, which still supports your idea for 50's DLC. By doing this, you are no better than the people who you feel are "closed minded metal heads". I've had to do polls as part of college presentations; since then, I can't stand to see people wording polls or surveys to sway or trick the majority to their side.

[a21schizoidman]

I'm not here to support or oppose this idea. I'm here to point out the ridiculous bias in your poll. So basically, if someone doesn't agree with you then they are automatically closed minded metal heads? Talk about a generalization...the only true "no" option you've given people is the one that talks about not agreeing with your song choices, which still supports your idea for 50's DLC. By doing this, you are no better than the people who you feel are "closed minded metal heads". I've had to do polls as part of college presentations; since then, I can't stand to see people wording polls or surveys to sway or trick the majority to their side.

its called the "Not those songs..." which has a double meaning, either you just dont like those 50s songs, or, you dont want those songs (as in 50s songs) in the game

not seeing this does make you closed-minded

[HeavyMetalKing]

The double meaning isn't clear. The poll question is "50s Music in Rock Band?" and the answer is "Not those songs..." which clearly points to the songs you posted. If it said "No 50s songs" then yes, it would include all 50s songs. But it doesn't clarify that. You're grasping at straws now to point to a double meaning that isn't there. I, sir, am not the closed-minded one. I listen to rock, metal, country, jazz, and blues, as well as music not only from America but Japan, Spain, and Russia as well. There is plenty of diversity in my musical taste, however, it is closed minded to call others closed minded for not agreeing with you.

Again, just because you say the double meaning is there doesn't make it so. A double meaning is not clear what-so-ever to anyone reading the poll; the only clear understanding one could have after reading the poll and seeing the songs you posed is that you are giving them the option to disagree with your song choices, which would insinuate that they still support 50s music but different songs. It's the same as if you wanted to do a demographic on how many people own cell phones in your neighborhood, but you word the question as "Do you have a phone?" and then get pissed when everyone answers yes, even though only 50% actually own a cell. It's YOUR fault for not checking your wording, not the particpant's for answering as they understand the question/options being given. You do not, under any circumstances, allow people to vote "No" to 50s music without choosing the option of "I'm closed minded". You're option lacks a double meaning, and your accusation of me being closed minded falls ridiculously short. Sorry to burst the bubble.


As an afterthough I would like to point out to everyone else in this thread that I'm not trying to be an ass. I love Chuck Berry and would love to see some of his music in the game. I'm not too knowledgeable on other 50s music, but I wouldn't mind seeing it included. My gripe here is that the options are clearly skewed, and like I said in my first post in this thread, I've taken many classes that delt with statistics and gathering data, so it has sort of become a pet peeve of mine to see people not creating polls or surveys free of bias, which is the only proper way to do a poll or survey.

[Galbrezu]

I was unaware liking and wanting more of a genre of music I like makes me closed minded.

What you have there is a survey with biased responses to make it look like your side of the opinion is winning.

Is:
Yes
No
Not These Songs

really worse then

Yes
Not these Songs
Yes, I don't care
No I'm an Ignorant Metal-head

For the record, I would have voted Yes, I don't care or just Yes because I generally support getting as many genres/songs in the game as possible. I mean why would you attack potential supporters?, it makes them not vote, like me.

[Deadman2112]

I voted yeah right but not because I'm apposed to the idea but rather would this go over well
I know I would D/L some because I have older friends that come over and jam RB from time to time and they would love this but I'm not sure how this would go over with the younger people

but given the fact that I am supprised that younger folks like older music as seen on this forum it might not be a a bad thing

[Saoshen]

Future expansion--- Rock Band: Rockin' to the Oldies

While I would love a bunch of 50's and 60's rock, I am guessing that the greatest difficulties will be that there are probably not alot of usable masters, so alot of it would likely be covers.

[Satoshi]

Johnny B. Goode Would be an awesome and fun song to play along with Rock Around The Clock By Bill Haley & The Comets.
I Would also like some Buddy Holly or Elvis Presley...maybe some songs by Huey Lewis or Johnny Cash but Johnny B. Goode Is like THE Rock Song.

[a21schizoidman]

Johnny B. Goode Would be an awesome and fun song to play along with Rock Around The Clock By Bill Haley & The Comets.
I Would also like some Buddy Holly or Elvis Presley...maybe some songs by Huey Lewis or Johnny Cash but Johnny B. Goode Is like THE Rock Song.

Buddy Holly is up there


Huey Lewis is 80s

[Satoshi]

Buddy Holly is up there


Huey Lewis is 80s

Yeah I Know...But I would like to see some songs :P

[a21schizoidman]

Yeah I Know...But I would like to see some songs :P

oh yeah, def.

[Deadman2112]

Future expansion--- Rock Band: Rockin' to the Oldies

While I would love a bunch of 50's and 60's rock, I am guessing that the greatest difficulties will be that there are probably not alot of usable masters, so alot of it would likely be covers.

and thats an even better question and point

[Reg989]

Songs from the 50s and the 60s would be a great addition to the gameplay, in my opinion anyway :)

And as for master not being available, this argument doesn't apply to the Beatles as they used the master tracks in order to produce the "Love" show by the Cirque du Soleil in Vegas.

Sgt Pepper would be a great album to include, if we leave "within you, without you" out of the list :)

Reg989

[Tsavo]

if you can deal with covers (which some can't), sure.

[Deadman2112]

yeah but there have to be some usable masters from the 50's

right?

[Plan B]

First of all, I'd love some 50s stuff.

Secondly, no, we have not gotten any metal yet.... Unless you're counting Hair and Heavy. But no, we've only gotten Metalcore, thus far.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

First of all, I'd love some 50s stuff.

Secondly, no, we have not gotten any metal yet.... Unless you're counting Hair and Heavy. But no, we've only gotten Metalcore, thus far.
Because Megadeth, Metallica and Dream Theater are metalcore.

[ForgottenHero]

Yeah 50's music would be great!

I'm a bit confused though, is The Who version of Summertime Blues a cover then?

*goes to Wiki Summertime Blues

[bse523]

Regardless of what the OP thinks, this thread is a joke. Just because of the choices he made. If wanting harder music, you know like ROCK, makes me close minded, then so be it.

[Plan B]

Because Megadeth, Metallica and Dream Theater are metalcore.

I never said that.
I included the fact that we have, aside from Metalcore, gotten Heavy Metal and Hair Metal. No harder metal like Death, Black, Doom, etc... Megadeth and Metallica fall under Heavy Metal. I have not really listened to much of Dream Theater, however, but I know enough to say they aren't Metalcore.

[a21schizoidman]

Yeah 50's music would be great!

I'm a bit confused though, is The Who version of Summertime Blues a cover then?

*goes to Wiki Summertime Blues

yes, Summertime Blues was Eddie Cochran's tune, then Blue Cheer and the Who covered it (i personally hate the Who's cover)

[a21schizoidman]

First of all, I'd love some 50s stuff.

Secondly, no, we have not gotten any metal yet.... Unless you're counting Hair and Heavy. But no, we've only gotten Metalcore, thus far.

what?

Metallica (Enter Sandman, Battery, ...And Justice For All, Blackened, Ride the Lightning)
Megadeth (Sleepwalker, Peace Sells)
Dream Theater (Constant Motion, Panic Attack)
Deep Purple (Highway Star)
Black Sabbath (Paranoid, NIB, Sweet Leaf, War Pigs)
Iron Maiden (Run to the Hills, Number of the Beast)
Nine Inch Nails (The Hand That Feeds, March of the Pigs, The Collector, The Perfect Drug, Burn, Last, Capital G)
Motorhead (Ace of Spades)
Mastadon (Colony of Birchmen)
Judas Priest (Painkiller, Electric Eye, Take These Chains, Bloodstone, Riding On the Wind, Pain and Pleasure, Screaming For Vengance, Fever, You Got Another Thing Comin, Devil's Child)
Lacuna Coil (Our Truth)
Ratt (Round and Round)
Guns N Roses (Shackler's Revenge)
Testament (Souls of Black, Electric Crown)
Black Tide (Shockwave)
At the Gates (Blinded By Fear)
The Haunted (DOA)
Evile (Thrasher)
Motley Crue (Saints of Los Angeles, Down At the Whiskey, Face Down In the Dirt)
Sixx:AM (Life Is Beautiful)
Airbourne (Running Wild)
Machine Head (Aesthetics of Hate)
Killswitch Engage (My Curse)
DevilDriver (Clouds Over California)

yeah, no metal whatsoever then

[bse523]

I love how people keep thinking NIN is metal when it's only Trent Reznor and a few machines. NIN is industrial.

[a21schizoidman]

I love how people keep thinking NIN is metal when it's only Trent Reznor and a few machines. NIN is industrial.

Industrial Metal, it is a genre

[VoorheesJoker13]

Hell yeah to some 50s

I'd love some Elvis, Chuck Berry, Johnny Cash , and Beatles.

[a21schizoidman]

Hell yeah to some 50s

I'd love some Elvis, Chuck Berry, Johnny Cash , and Beatles.

sigh.....

Beatles are 60s

formed in Liverpool, UK in 1960

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I never said that.
I included the fact that we have, aside from Metalcore, gotten Heavy Metal and Hair Metal. No harder metal like Death, Black, Doom, etc... Megadeth and Metallica fall under Heavy Metal. I have not really listened to much of Dream Theater, however, but I know enough to say they aren't Metalcore.
They're progressive metal.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

sigh.....

Beatles are 60s

formed in Liverpool, UK in 1960

Unless you count the Quarrymen or Silver Beatles.

[Verditude]

A 50's music thread that doesn't mention Elvis?

For shame.

[a21schizoidman]

A 50's music thread that doesn't mention Elvis?

For shame.

wow, ppl dont read anything do they?

1) he deserves his own thread
2) mentioning his name in the OP can create a flame war on his talent

[HeavyMetalKing]

sigh.....

Beatles are 60s

formed in Liverpool, UK in 1960

I don't know what's possessing me to even keep posting here but...does it really matter? Okay, so he got a date wrong, is it really that big of a deal for you to point out? You'll only push your supporters away if you keep nagging at every little detail. It's bad enough that the poll is biased...at least be decent to the people honestly supporting you.


wow, ppl dont read anything do they?

1) he deserves his own thread
2) mentioning his name in the OP can create a flame war on his talent

Perhaps he/she didn't have time to read through every post in depth? See my above point about pushing your supporters away...

[darshy]

I think a main problem is that there is no way to get this music on a computer, much like the Beatles, the music is not on a correct medium to be put on a computer, and then put into the game...

[HeavyMetalKing]

I think a main problem is that there is no way to get this music on a computer, much like the Beatles, the music is not on a correct medium to be put on a computer, and then put into the game...

I'm sure there's a way, it's just a matter of will HMX feel like going through the extra channels to get us masters or will they just go with covers. More importantly, if they do what's necessary for masters and it costs extra--therefore leading to a slightly higher DLC price--would everyone still buy it?

[a21schizoidman]

I don't know what's possessing me to even keep posting here but...does it really matter? Okay, so he got a date wrong, is it really that big of a deal for you to point out? You'll only push your supporters away if you keep nagging at every little detail. It's bad enough that the poll is biased...at least be decent to the people honestly supporting you.


because, mentioning a 60s band in a 50s rock thread is going against what the thread is about, that would be like having a death metal thread and saying "I want Johnny Cash!" its a different subject, you are not supporting the point of the thread, thats the difference, and nagging every detail? you know what, like I give a damn what you all think



HMX lock and delete this thread, please, too many ignorant ppl on the forums to bother posting a intelligent thread for ppl who like something to open discussion


thank you

[WhiffleBallTony]

I never said that.
I included the fact that we have, aside from Metalcore, gotten Heavy Metal and Hair Metal. No harder metal like Death, Black, Doom, etc... Megadeth and Metallica fall under Heavy Metal. I have not really listened to much of Dream Theater, however, but I know enough to say they aren't Metalcore.

Evile, At the Gates, Machine Head, DevilDriver, and The Haunted are all thrash/death metal.

[HeavyMetalKing]

Intelligent thread with horrible grammar and spelling...right. And I'm sorry, but you're calling US ignorant when you're the one who made a poll that clearly sways people to your opinion so that it looks like you have more supporters. That to me is ignorance. And so what, someone made a mistake? Big deal! People do that! They don't need you to point out and harp on a simple mistake about a band's era. If the Beatles had come around ONE year earlier they WOULD have been a 50s band! You're trying to look like you're the victim here, but all you've done is made yourself look like a moron. And to think you're only a year or two younger than me...wow.

[U2Phreak1969]

I'm sure there's a way, it's just a matter of will HMX feel like going through the extra channels to get us masters or will they just go with covers. More importantly, if they do what's necessary for masters and it costs extra--therefore leading to a slightly higher DLC price--would everyone still buy it?

problem with a lot of these old masters is that many of them were recorded onto nitrates and the nitrate emulsion dissolves over time leaving whole gaps in the tape.

If HMX every did decide to pursue some 50's stuff it would most assuredly be covers. I don't think you could find 60 year old masters. Call me a pessimist. . . Sorry!!!

[HeavyMetalKing]

problem with a lot of these old masters is that many of them were recorded onto nitrates and the nitrate emulsion dissolves over time leaving whole gaps in the tape.

If HMX every did decide to pursue some 50's stuff it would most assuredly be covers. I don't think you could find 60 year old masters. Call me a pessimist. . . Sorry!!!

Well something's better than nothing I suppose. And you're being more realistic then pessimistic...the rest of us are just grasping at the hope of masters.

BTW, sorry to everyone who wanted to just discuss 50s music in this thread, but again it was irking me to see him talking to a few of his supporters that way. And then the last post...I'm sorry, that was ridiculous in my opinion. I usually bite my tongue on forums, but after being called out time and time again you start to adapt the habit yourself, at least in my experience.

[a21schizoidman]

Intelligent thread with horrible grammar and spelling...right. And I'm sorry, but you're calling US ignorant when you're the one who made a poll that clearly sways people to your opinion so that it looks like you have more supporters. That to me is ignorance. And so what, someone made a mistake? Big deal! People do that! They don't need you to point out and harp on a simple mistake about a band's era. If the Beatles had come around ONE year earlier they WOULD have been a 50s band! You're trying to look like you're the victim here, but all you've done is made yourself look like a moron. And to think you're only a year or two younger than me...wow.

Jesus Christ, just because they formed in 1960 doesnt mean that if they had formed in 59 it would have made them a 50s band, they didnt even get a ****ing record contract until 1962, most of the Beatles songs ppl want are from 65-69,

just cause Zeppelin formed in 68 doesnt make them a 60s band, just cuz the Smashing Pumpkins formed in 88 doesnt make them a ****ing 80s band

you go with the ****ing decade the band made their ****ing music, not the year the ****ing formed


and about bad grammar on the internet? holy ****, cuz it makes a ****ing difference

again, HMX, or mods, lock my own thread, ppl are too ignorant to have a conversation with here

[HeavyMetalKing]

Yes, we're the ignorant ones when you're the one having the temper tantrum with repeated use of the f-word. Here's some advice: drop your pants, bend over, and pull the stick out of your ass! You will be much happier. I'm sorry, I realize I'm degenerating to a real D**k right now, but it's just ridiculous. God forbid, someone didn't agree with you, let's go on a rant! Someone didn't agree with you, that makes them ignorant! Chill dude, seriously, before you have a heart attack.

[Dr. Wagner]

Intelligent thread with horrible grammar and spelling...right. And I'm sorry, but you're calling US ignorant when you're the one who made a poll that clearly sways people to your opinion so that it looks like you have more supporters. That to me is ignorance. And so what, someone made a mistake? Big deal! People do that! They don't need you to point out and harp on a simple mistake about a band's era. If the Beatles had come around ONE year earlier they WOULD have been a 50s band! You're trying to look like you're the victim here, but all you've done is made yourself look like a moron. And to think you're only a year or two younger than me...wow.

Dude, you're taking this thread way too seriously.

Oldies on Rock Band FTW!

[synA7X]

Johnny B Goode and the ORIGINAL Summertime Blues (The Who's version blows) would be great!

[HeavyMetalKing]

Dude, you're taking this thread way too seriously.

Not really, quite honestly I didn't give two craps until he started calling out people who were supporting him. So I said something, and then he went on his little tangent about how this forum is full of ignorant, unintelligent people while using horrible grammar. I was more pointing out the irony of that fact than anything else. Frankly I generally don't give two sh*ts about grammar and the internet, but given my annoyance between his biased poll and everything else I decided to say it.

[a21schizoidman]

Yes, we're the ignorant ones when you're the one having the temper tantrum with repeated use of the f-word. Here's some advice: drop your pants, bend over, and pull the stick out of your ass! You will be much happier. I'm sorry, I realize I'm degenerating to a real D**k right now, but it's just ridiculous. God forbid, someone didn't agree with you, let's go on a rant! Someone didn't agree with you, that makes them ignorant! Chill dude, seriously, before you have a heart attack.

wtf are you even talking about?

i said that Elvis is good and deserves his own thread, he has many big hits and other songs that would work in Rock Band, whereas many 50s bands dont have that many recognizable songs or songs that would work that ppl would want
also, many people like to flame on Elvis,so instead of putting him in a thread that will go to a flamefest about his talent and taking away

also, since this a thread for 50s BANDS, and the BEATLES ARE WELL KNOWN AS A 60s BAND, THEREFORE THEY DONT BELONG TO BE MENTIONED HERE

[Dr. Wagner]

Not really, quite honestly I didn't give two craps until he started calling out people who were supporting him. So I said something, and then he went on his little tangent about how this forum is full of ignorant, unintelligent people while using horrible grammar. I was more pointing out the irony of that fact than anything else. Frankly I generally don't give two sh*ts about grammar and the internet, but given my annoyance between his biased poll and everything else I decided to say it.

It's a poll about putting music in a video game, not a presidential election. Should we call the UN to make sure the polls in the Ultimate Setlist forum are balanced and not rigged? Really, there's more important stuff to get annoyed about.

[HeavyMetalKing]

It's a poll about putting music in a video game, not a presidential election. Should we call the UN to make sure the polls in the Ultimate Setlist forum are balanced and not rigged? Really, there's more important stuff to get annoyed about.

Well, it also served to entertain me while I ate my Arby's.


wtf are you even talking about?

i said that Elvis is good and deserves his own thread, he has many big hits and other songs that would work in Rock Band, whereas many 50s bands dont have that many recognizable songs or songs that would work that ppl would want
also, many people like to flame on Elvis,so instead of putting him in a thread that will go to a flamefest about his talent and taking away

also, since this a thread for 50s BANDS, and the BEATLES ARE WELL KNOWN AS A 60s BAND, THEREFORE THEY DONT BELONG TO BE MENTIONED HERE

So instead of just asking that they don't mention the Beatles you decide to get pissy with them about the Beatles being a 60s band? That's the logical thing to do, sure. And you got pissed because someone mentioned Elvis after your statement earlier in the thread. All I said was "perhaps he didn't have time to read the whole thread!" It's plausible. Instead of getting pissed, quote yourself, that's all you need to do.

As far as what I was talking about, I think I was pretty straightforward. You were calling people in this thread (more likely me than anyone else) ignorant and yet you were the one degenerating into profanities. So I told you to pull the stick out of your ass and lighten up! That's all I said!

[Bang Camaro]

Everyone stop crying. Please. Thanks.

Okay, 50s music would be awesome.

[HeavyMetalKing]

Everyone stop crying. Please. Thanks.

Okay, 50s music would be awesome.

So what's your opinion on the possibility of masters?

[Bang Camaro]

So what's your opinion on the possibility of masters?

Oh, I'd love masters, but since they likely won't be usable, I'd be fine with covers.

[HeavyMetalKing]

See, the only problem is that a lot of the people who buy the 50s songs would be hard core fans of 50s rock, or so I'd imagine. Generally, it seems, hard core fans are picky, so if HMX didn't do a cover justice you know there'd be ten million complaints about how bad it was. Basically, if HMX does do 50s covers, I hope they really put a lot of effort into getting people that fit the sound both instrumentally and vocally. Sorry this is so rushed, I'm getting ready to hop off shortly so I kind of half-assed what I wanted to say.

[Bowiefanperson]

they didn't even have 4 track recordings untill the late late 50s meaning the availability and the amount of them would be very small. I believe the first 50s song with 4 track was bobby darin's splish splash. I do want some 50s stuff though.