The Beatles did influence modern Metal

[tomervo79]

The hell I say? More importantly, why did I bring this up?

Well, once a long time ago some random person on this forum scoffed and said "I guarantee that 'This Metal Band Who I'm Not Naming Because I Don't Want to Antagonize People' is not influenced by the Beatles AT ALL."

First off, my thought was... if someone set to intentionally not sound like a group at all...that sounds like an influence to me. ^_^

But then I decided to do my "Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon" to the music business end of things. I understand that a lot of what I'm doing is conjecture and guess work, but here's my logic:

Unnamed Metal Band is kinda thrashy, evidently huge followers of the Big 4 of thrash, prominent amongst them being Megadeth and Metallica. Anthrax and Slayer may be more of their taste, but I'm taking the two more well known of the four.

Megatallica (or would Metaldeth be better?) were heavily influenced by the 70s metal acts of Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Black Sabbath. Not a huge leap at all given Judas Priest's reputation as the "grandfathers of metal" and Maiden and Sabbath just being damned good acts in general.

Listed under influences under iTunes (this is where my huge leap comes in) for Judas Priest is "The Beatles". Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath's bios have The Who listed (who shockingly were contemporaries of the Beatles and also have them listed as influences in iTunes also mention them by name in the Seeker).

So, here's my logical leap in short:

Unnamed Band > Metallica/Megadeth > Judas Priest/Black Sabbath/Iron Maiden > The Who > The Beatles


Thank you.


P.S. Helter Skelter and Happiness is a Warm Gun are probably big parts of the influence. :D

[supersickie]

...Black Sabbath's bios have The Who listed (who shockingly were contemporaries of the Beatles and also have them listed as influences in iTunes also mention them by name in the Seeker).

So, here's my logical leap in short:

Unnamed Band > Metallica/Megadeth > Judas Priest/Black Sabbath/Iron Maiden > The Who > The Beatles


Thank you.


P.S. Helter Skelter and Happiness is a Warm Gun are probably big parts of the influence. :D

It's a fairly well-known fact that Ozzy Osbourne's reason for getting into music was partly due to The Beatles. As he met Tony Iommi shortly after leaving school, it's not a huge assumption to believe that Iommi would have been a Beatles fan as well.

However, I believe your logic about this is all wrong. Just because one band is influenced by another doesn't mean it carries over into the successor's sound. Of course, it's possible that it does, but it's not necessarily true.

[Kobal2]

Well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz1PtyYCrZQ&feature=related

That's one single step ;)

[Mystlyfe77]

I'm not sure, but I think this thread was a total waste of time. Beatles influenced just about everything after them (in some way, shape, or form).

[culturedog]

Coroner, Type O Negative and White Zombie were definitely all inspired by The Beatles, since they each performed (and some recorded) Beatles tunes on a regular basis.

Other than that, I'm drawing a blank with any direct thrash influences - though I wouldn't doubt it.

[Galbrezu]

Yes, The Beatles did inspire a lot of modern music, good observation there!

[BhindBluEyes430]

But The who dont usualy sight the beatles as an influence. usualy its the rolling stones, the beach boys and R&B acts such as james brown and Marvin Gaye.

so this shouldent be titiled "The beatles influenced modern Metal" It should be "Yet another music style The Who have lent their influenece to"

And What influenenced Helter Skelter? A Who Song 'I Can See for Miles"

[afterstasis]

um, guys...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgg8Y-kn4p0

[foolosophy]

um, guys...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgg8Y-kn4p0

Thank you! So much people are always quick to assume Helter Skelter is the only heavy thing The Beatles have ever wrote.

[Edgehead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts

Heavier than Helter Skelter in my opinion

[tomervo79]

Yes, yes, I know I was making a huge leap in saying the Beatles are a large influence in modern music. I even mentioned the reason why I'd go about connecting the dots in a public forum.

As to whether "does an influence of an influence count as an influence" to go about the mathematical principal of (a+b)+c = a + (b+c). Basically boils down to: if a band is influenced by the Beatles and in turn influences a future band, there is still some influences in that future band.

I'm not stating anything new or profound, I know. I simply got a bug in my ear from a random post a month or so ago and finally got tired of it and posted that out.

[m00p]

Uhh. As being the biggest Beatle fanboy on these boards, It's safe to say the beatles are NOT metal. Helter Skelter isn't metal, just noise. While i'm not sure if Megatallica were influenced by The Beatles, It seems likely.

Hard Rock acts influenced most metal. So yeah, you never know. James Hetfield could have been a big beatles fanboy, and then moved to heavier stuff after he learned to play the guitar. Two entirely different genres can mix sometimes. Same with the Run D.M.C.-Aerosmith duo. It's a wonderful thing, that two genres that have nothing in common can be influenced by one another.

[Jordashebasics]

The Beatles were a self-contained band that wrote their own songs. While earlier Beatles albums had a fair number of covers, they quickly moved to playing their own work. The way that albums worked then involved the artist having a hit, then recording a bunch of purchased songs to release an album.

This was a huge influence on most music fans who were introduced to them via the Ed Sullivan show.

The Beatles also took special care with their b-side tracks. They were willing to devote the same level of attention to those songs as they did to their a-side singles.

These methods built what is the format for the average modern album.

[wrldindstries302]

Thank you! So much people are always quick to assume Helter Skelter is the only heavy thing The Beatles have ever wrote.

I think the reason people use Helter Skelter as the example for their influence on metal is because it really is the song that laid the groundwork for metal. It has most of the elements that would later become commonplace in metal. It's not that they don't have other "heavy" songs, it's just that songs like Revolution and to a lesser extent She's So Heavy were much more conventional at the time.

[Kobal2]

Yes, yes, I know I was making a huge leap in saying the Beatles are a large influence in modern music. I even mentioned the reason why I'd go about connecting the dots in a public forum.

As to whether "does an influence of an influence count as an influence" to go about the mathematical principal of (a+b)+c = a + (b+c). Basically boils down to: if a band is influenced by the Beatles and in turn influences a future band, there is still some influences in that future band.

I'm not stating anything new or profound, I know. I simply got a bug in my ear from a random post a month or so ago and finally got tired of it and posted that out.

Hmmm. By that rationale, every single musical piece ever written or recorded was influenced by Mr. Ugh who, fourty thousand years ago, was the very first proto-human being to get the idea to bang his head against a rock because he liked the way it sounded.

If you ask me, only direct influences count. Maybe secondary. Any step further is pushing it.

While your musical daisy chain works, you could just as easily link GarageBand_01 to Buddy Holly (who directly influenced the Beatles). Or Elvis (influenced Buddy). Or Hank Snow (influenced Elvis). Except GarageBand_01 doesn't even know who Hank Snow was, or ever heard one note of his for that matter. It's fairer to say GarageBand_01 just really wants to sound like Slayer, y'know ?

In other words : you can *link* any band to The Beatles. Not all bands were *influenced* by them.

[WhiffleBallTony]

I'm not sure, but I think this thread was a total waste of time. Beatles influenced just about everything after them (in some way, shape, or form).

Agreed. Just like how pretty much all of our music was influenced by Robert Johnson is some way.

[Jordashebasics]

I forgot about this bit - songs like Ticket To Ride and Paperback Writer were heavy influences on metal. They both featured sort of grinding riffs, and at least with Paperback Writer, one of the earlier recordings of fuzz bass.

[tomervo79]

Hmmm. By that rationale, every single musical piece ever written or recorded was influenced by Mr. Ugh who, fourty thousand years ago, was the very first proto-human being to get the idea to bang his head against a rock because he liked the way it sounded.

If you ask me, only direct influences count. Maybe secondary. Any step further is pushing it.

While your musical daisy chain works, you could just as easily link GarageBand_01 to Buddy Holly (who directly influenced the Beatles). Or Elvis (influenced Buddy). Or Hank Snow (influenced Elvis). Except GarageBand_01 doesn't even know who Hank Snow was, or ever heard one note of his for that matter. It's fairer to say GarageBand_01 just really wants to sound like Slayer, y'know ?

In other words : you can *link* any band to The Beatles. Not all bands were *influenced* by them.

Yes, I do think I meant it in exactly that way. Yes, all music is related to each other in some form or fashion. The whole of my point is exactly that you can not say that "this newer band was never influenced by that older band" because at some point you get a shared influence or other similarity that points back to the some group or person.

I'm fairly confidant that Bach and Vivaldi had some influence on the Beatles too. :)

[Rockbandfan23467]

What band did The Beatles NOT Influence! (Or even Anti-Influence)

[instantdeath999]

Yes, they did.

Ozzy has said that he was influenced by The Beatles. We know how many bands Black Sabbath inspired...

[polishdog90]

How about Beatallica?