Screw Jimmy Page!!!!

[Droosies]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.

[hewhoislikegod]

Money. That's all. Money.

Ya see,

P.Diddy, American Idol and Shrek = monster amounts of casholla

[Captain Zepp 07]

P Diddy payed that pretty penny for the sampling of Kashmir, and at least Jimmy Page had the decency to play the song rather then some hack guitarist **** that up too. As for Shrek, yes yes, Money Money Money. For the car commercial for Rock And Roll, 50 mil. Thats money. What did School of Rock do? Begged. Whole film crew, actors, everybody had to beg for the Immigrant Song.

Jimmy Page is just that whorish for money, but still has the balls to deny Activision [i bet you if they landed them, oh the zeppelin will crash HARD]. I'm actually rooting for Led not to be in Rock Band, mainly because the war of songs, the amount of diffferent music games, and the fact they're one of the stand alone titans. Wish AC/DC held out too, but oh well. Still will play it, lovingly, but besides the point.

Jimmy Page wants your tears or your cash... sacrafice something, wallet or soul?

[Thom1234]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.
I see your point. Too bad you can't articulate in a way that doesn't make you look like a pathetic snob. Also, who are you to define REAL MUSIC? Moron...

[Droosies]

P Diddy payed that pretty penny for the sampling of Kashmir, and at least Jimmy Page had the decency to play the song rather then some hack guitarist **** that up too. As for Shrek, yes yes, Money Money Money. For the car commercial for Rock And Roll, 50 mil. Thats money. What did School of Rock do? Begged. Whole film crew, actors, everybody had to beg for the Immigrant Song.

Jimmy Page is just that whorish for money, but still has the balls to deny Activision [i bet you if they landed them, oh the zeppelin will crash HARD]. I'm actually rooting for Led not to be in Rock Band, mainly because the war of songs, the amount of diffferent music games, and the fact they're one of the stand alone titans. Wish AC/DC held out too, but oh well. Still will play it, lovingly, but besides the point.

Jimmy Page wants your tears or your cash... sacrafice something, wallet or soul?

For a 12-pack of Led Zep, say:

Stairway to Heaven
Kashmir
Communication Breakdown
Whole Lotta Love
Immigrant Song
Ramble On
D'yer Mak'er
Going To California
Dazed and Confused
Black Dog
All My Love
In My Time of Dying

I'd easily pay $30 for this. It's also not too farfetched to believe that thousands of others wouldn't follow suit. No idea what Rock Band's sales numbers are, I just know there's a press release of them passing the 1 million units sold mark way back in January. Since then, Rock Band has been released in several other countries, so let's just assume there's 2 million units sold today. It's probably more, but we'll just leave it at that. Even if HMX released a 12-pack for $20 like they did with The Who, HMX could pay Led Zep $1,000,000 for the rights to the songs and it would just take 50,000 purchases to make that money back. That's 1 in 40 people who own Rock Band need to buy it. For a coup as big as this, I'd say it's safe to bet that HMX would still make a killing on the deal. Wouldn't you? If they made it $30? Forget about it. Only 33,334 people would need to buy it, and I'm sure they'd still quickly exceed that mark. 33,000 people...out of 2 MILLION. The money is not the issue here. It's the fact that Jimmy Page is worried about his precious masters. Which is absolutely ridiculous because he's whored himself out to lots worse people than Harmonix.

[Fleshwound]

For a 12-pack of Led Zep, say:

Stairway to Heaven
Kashmir
Communication Breakdown
Whole Lotta Love
Immigrant Song
Ramble On
D'yer Mak'er
Going To California
Dazed and Confused
Black Dog
All My Love
In My Time of Dying

I'd easily pay $30 for this. It's also not too farfetched to believe that thousands of others wouldn't follow suit. No idea what Rock Band's sales numbers are, I just know there's a press release of them passing the 1 million units sold mark way back in January. Since then, Rock Band has been released in several other countries, so let's just assume there's 2 million units sold today. It's probably more, but we'll just leave it at that. Even if HMX released a 12-pack for $20 like they did with The Who, HMX could pay Led Zep $1,000,000 for the rights to the songs and it would just take 50,000 purchases to make that money back. That's 1 in 40 people who own Rock Band need to buy it. For a coup as big as this, I'd say it's safe to bet that HMX would still make a killing on the deal. Wouldn't you? If they made it $30? Forget about it. Only 33,334 people would need to buy it, and I'm sure they'd still quickly exceed that mark. 33,000 people...out of 2 MILLION. The money is not the issue here. It's the fact that Jimmy Page is worried about his precious masters. Which is absolutely ridiculous because he's whored himself out to lots worse people than Harmonix.



I agree............

[Kobal2]

Right, heres what you don't understand.

Leona Lewis is a really, and i mean, REALLY good singer, and is also a very respectable lady. Plus, i doubt Leona Lewis got Page on the scene for the Olympic Celebration, it was more likely our PM or Major of London.

Page is playing it straight, he isn't comfortable with people using HIS music to recreate and be used on plastic replica's of instruments. He would rather people pick up real guitars and learn his riff's than say in the middle of a street "ZOMG LED ZEP IN GEETAR HAERO? LOL KASHMIR ZIN ROKK BANDS? I 100% THAT SONG".

We will get zep, but only when the industry evolves a little more.

Real guitars are for old people ;).

[S1ckH4nds]

the only way to recitfy this situation is the annoy the hell out of him, plant, jones, and whoever else is in charge of the masters. someone find his e-mail, if he has one, post it on here. then someone else start a petition. we have to orginize

Because nothing has more weight or pull to it than an Internet petition. :rolleyes:

[Kobal2]

the only way to recitfy this situation is the annoy the hell out of him, plant, jones, and whoever else is in charge of the masters. someone find his e-mail, if he has one, post it on here. then someone else start a petition. we have to orginize

Ah yes. Annoying the hell out of my parents always put me in their good graces too. They always gave in to my demands of a swift kick in the pants :rolleyes:

[BigMonkE]

Yeah. We dont need Led Zeppelin.


Rush!!!

lawl.

[HauntingYourKids]

I've always said that Page probably wouldn't be as stingy with his music if we didn't call Led Zeppelin the greatest ever. I myself think Zeppelin is good, but not great.

[Flawless]

Leona Lewis is amazing.

[Hamsterhitman]

It's not that he's against having his song in GH/RB, he and the other band members are simply understadably uncomfortable about sending their master tracks for fear of them being stolen or damaged or whatever. At least, I think that's what he said.

[Kobal2]

It's not that he's against having his song in GH/RB, he and the other band members are simply understadably uncomfortable about sending their master tracks for fear of them being stolen or damaged or whatever. At least, I think that's what he said.

Hasn't he heard ? These days they make these wondrous thingamajigs that let you, I don't know, it's like, you have one song and then you have two of the same song ! Can even play them in totally different places and everything.

Amazing technology. What will they think of next ?:eek:

[Ayooo]

.... screw jimmy page! here here! lol

[luckyjoey]

I can think of many other bands I'd love to see for .99 cents per song than paying a premium for Zep. Don't get me wrong, they are great, I own several CD's, but not as great as many others.

[SmokaCola]

Eff Led Zeppelin, Moar Airbourne!

On a serious note, Zep is good and all but I'd much prefer more AC/DC. Now that we actually have them, I have a feeling we could get more. If Zep really is in it for the money they'd know this is by far the best way to cash in. Simply because people can't download these songs for free, they HAVE to pay and there isn't any other way around it (unless they make a disc of it and sell it as a dlc volume).

I'd say just forget about them and not worry about it, once most of these bands see how well they can sell their music through these rhythm games they will wise up and you won't even have to ask, they'll eventually give in and start asking you to be in it. So I say we focus on AC/DC since now we know they're willing to co-operate, either that or more Airbourne. That's just my personal opinion though, I know there are plenty of people who hate AC/DC and Airbourne.


P.S. HMX, you should really consider getting some Lordi :(

[DirkDee]

Jimmy page is not a rocker, he is a musician.
Only thing worse than musicians is politicians.

A musician is full of himself, thinks that he is very special and makes sure Everyone around him/her suffers because of it.
A rocker is humble and dont take themselves too serious.

A musician is greedy and want more and more money,
a rocker is happy about what he has and likes to spend it more than earn it.

you CAN be a "rocker" as a jazz musician. and also you can be a "musician" as a punker.

Jimmy page is so full of himself he has lost his touch with reality.
He is an old man sitting on those masters and led zep's music as if it was the lost arc from the indiana jones movie.

master tapes is NOTHING special. its just some "tapes" or "files" containing something a group of guys played on their instruments at one point in time.


to Jimmy page : its time someone told you the truth. you are an old man that only have a small portion of your life left to live. when you are dead you wont be able to enjoy your money anymore so you might as well start dealing with it.

we the audience are the reason you are where you are today. if not my young father and 1000's like him had given a **** about your debut album you would have been flipping burgers on mcdonald's untill retirement or dying of a drug overdose.
Make no mistake!, you as a person is nothing better or more valuable then the rest of us. But your gift of music is very importent.

the people that are given the gift of creating music are ment to SHARE it with the world to give the rest of us hope, happiness and pleasure.

you have exploited this most of your life for your own benefit. do something cool before you die. release all zepplin masters. you can even do it for free!. you dont need anymore money.


sorry about this long post, but every interview I have ever seen with jimmy page since the early 80's he has always come across as an diva *******.

im just so tired of all these so called musicians thinking they are so special. they are not!.

but their gift of creating music is special and should be put to use in a way that all people are able to enjoy it.


Cheers from me=)

[shadebug]

Just because I'm in that kinda mood. Leona Lewis did not win the UK version of American Idol, she won X Factor. American Idol is the US version of Pop Idol which is the Solo version of Pop Stars. Pop idol and Pop Stars got binned so that Cowell could make XFactor and not have to pay anything to Simon Fuller (though Cowell's lawyers would beg to differ).
Pop Idol produced Will Young who had a reasonably successful career and Pop Stars produced Girls Aloud who still have a ridiculously successful career making awesome songs (they may not have any talent but damnit all if their producers don't). Actually, some Girls Aloud would be fantastic in Rock Band

[maskofskin]

I just came in to say I want "I Hate Jimmy Page" by MSI in the game.

[skullpit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWN13ROlVQk&feature=related

[Daytman]

I don't mind...

[JediSloth]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.

Hahaha I was thinking the exact same thing as I was watching the closing cermonies last night.

[simmias]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWN13ROlVQk&feature=related

I approve of this video.

I was going to drop a line about how $12 DLC could be all the rage and buy cocaine for Jimmy Page, but you beat me to the punch :D

[macdaddy3598]

HMX could pay Led Zep $1,000,000 for the rights to the songs and it would just take 50,000 purchases to make that money back.





It's all about setting business precedents. If Rock Band were to pay "$1,000,000" for a set of Zeppelin tunes, that would just open the field for bands and studios to cry foul.

Metallica would come back and say "no more tunes until we get $1,000,000", AC/DC would follow suit... hell, Bob Dylan might jump aboard the bandwagon looking for increased residuals.

My point is that you would inevitably out price consumers to reconcile these overpriced bands. $99.95 gets you the RB3 game only!

Moreover, it wouldn't be just DLC if RB bought the rights, they would milk it as much as GH:WT is doing with the Doors.

I'm not interested in paying a premium just for one epic band. I would rather have a 80 different bands for the same price.

[skullpit]

I approve of this video.

I was going to drop a line about how $12 DLC could be all the rage and buy cocaine for Jimmy Page, but you beat me to the punch :D

Glad I could help. :)

[foolosophy]

I love it when "legends" attempt to preserve their music, only to miss the most fundamental ideal of music in general; letting it be heard. Let's face it, at this rate of preservation future generations will have VERY little idea of who Led Zeppelin are. A master tape which rots away in a vault does nothing for anyone. Harmonix has already revived the careers of old rock bands, and have placed it into the minds of younger children. They have allowed kids the ability to have a medium to listen to real music, as opposed to Disney filth.

[ksturm079]

It's all about the money. How many greatest hits albums do they have containing the same songs in different orders?

[Lone Bulldogs]

Okay, a friend of mine told me that he saw a sight on the internet that compared led zep songs to other old blues songs and they were basically blatant rip offs. I peraonally like LZ and would like to see them. Has anyone else seen a web site like this or know what he may have been referring to?

[Branr]

Would I love to see the Led in RB? Not really. Would I LIKE to see them in RB? Sure! They are one of the iconic rock bands out there, and you would think that this would be a new way to please their fans (you know, the people who GAVE them all that money). The way I see it, if The Who can do it, so can Led Zeppelin.

[macdaddy3598]

I love it when "legends" attempt to preserve their music, only to miss the most fundamental ideal of music in general; letting it be heard. Let's face it, at this rate of preservation future generations will have VERY little idea of who Led Zeppelin are. A master tape which rots away in a vault does nothing for anyone. Harmonix has already revived the careers of old rock bands, and have placed it into the minds of younger children. They have allowed kids the ability to have a medium to listen to real music, as opposed to Disney filth.


I agree with your comments up to the Disney part.

You're too young to remember this, but many of us had sisters listening to New Kids On The Block and simular bubble-gum pop 15 years ago. The Disney "filth" is just your generation's version of it. So I wouldn't call it filth... it's just a kid-friendly genre. Kids grow past that and get into what you and I would agree to be legendary music.

[foolosophy]

I agree with your comments up to the Disney part.

You're too young to remember this, but many of us had sisters listening to New Kids On The Block and simular bubble-gum pop 15 years ago. The Disney "filth" is just your generation's version of it. So I wouldn't call it filth... it's just a kid-friendly genre. Kids grow past that and get into what you and I would agree to be legendary music.

Fair enough, it's mainly just the Jonas Brothers that I can't stand really. It was moreso a shot directed at that talentless bunch.

[macdaddy3598]

Fair enough, it's mainly just the Jonas Brothers that I can't stand really. It was moreso a shot directed at that talentless bunch.

"Jonas Brothers ... talentless bunch" - Yep, now we're in 100% agreement! :D

[macdaddy3598]

your example is terrible, new kids on the block are terrible, just like the 90 boy bands, and just like the new disney crap thats all the rage. its all terrible crap.

Does someone need a hug?

[axel5656]

Okay, a friend of mine told me that he saw a sight on the internet that compared led zep songs to other old blues songs and they were basically blatant rip offs. I peraonally like LZ and would like to see them. Has anyone else seen a web site like this or know what he may have been referring to?

Taken from Wikipedia:

Many of Led Zeppelin's earliest songs were based on blues standards, and the album also included three songs composed by others: "You Shook Me" and "I Can't Quit You Baby", both by blues artist Willie Dixon; and "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You".

"Dazed and Confused" was actually "borrowed" from a blues musician and rewritten for the album...then extended another fifty minutes over the course of their career. However, Zeppelin was heavily influenced by the Blues, and that's not bad. After all, there would be no Rock n Roll (and consequently no metal) if there was never any Blues. All bands have their influences, and when you really get down to it, everything's ripping off something else.

All the tracks that I've spoken of are off Led Zeppelin I.

[DirkDee]

I love it when "legends" attempt to preserve their music, only to miss the most fundamental ideal of music in general; letting it be heard. Let's face it, at this rate of preservation future generations will have VERY little idea of who Led Zeppelin are. A master tape which rots away in a vault does nothing for anyone. Harmonix has already revived the careers of old rock bands, and have placed it into the minds of younger children. They have allowed kids the ability to have a medium to listen to real music, as opposed to Disney filth.


this is so very true and I could not agree more.
you used this little text to describe something I used almost a novel's worth further up!:)

[Eryk13]

I see your point. Too bad you can't articulate in a way that doesn't make you look like a pathetic snob. Also, who are you to define REAL MUSIC? Moron...

Actually, I thought he articulated it rather well. Its how alot of us feel. Unfortunately, you've resorted to the very abused and fairly childish tactic of namecalling. Way to go.

The OP is right on.

[InsaneDelight]

I believe the comment was from Plant, not Page.

Also it was about releasing the masters. You don't need to release your masters to have someone cover your song.

So someone hand the OP a napkin to wipe the egg off his face.

[rob l]

I'd like some of their songs in RB but if they want to be *****s about it or money grubbing whores then oh well...there are plenty other bands to be in there who actually appreciate it and understand it also makes them money.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.

I'm pretty sure he cares more about his payment for lending out the master recordings than actually being worried about lending out the tapes.

Valid points though. However it's just a video game dude. Nothing to get all pissed off over.


I believe the comment was from Plant, not Page.

Also it was about releasing the masters. You don't need to release your masters to have someone cover your song.

So someone hand the OP a napkin to wipe the egg off his face.
Nobody from the band ever said anything about this. It was Jimmy's management guy.

[shadebug]

Okay, a friend of mine told me that he saw a sight on the internet that compared led zep songs to other old blues songs and they were basically blatant rip offs. I peraonally like LZ and would like to see them. Has anyone else seen a web site like this or know what he may have been referring to?

all rock comes from blues. Actually, there's an episode of phineas and ferb that explains it beautifully

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lvu8GKCPVM

by no means the best phineas and ferb song, but it makes the point so I'll put it in

also, i wanna piss off all the people *****ing about disney music

[Branr]

all rock comes from blues. Actually, there's an episode of phineas and ferb that explains it beautifully

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lvu8GKCPVM

by no means the best phineas and ferb song, but it makes the point so I'll put it in

also, i wanna piss off all the people *****ing about disney music

Wow, actually a decent example!

[SmokaCola]

"What's with all the colors?" - "I have no idea..."

For some strange reason I found that funny and lol'd, literally.

[Pareidolia]

Your heroes will never love you as much as you love them. And why should they? What do you do with your life besides play someone else's music on a plastic guitar? I say this realizing this also applies to me. I just don't have the sense of entitliement that seems to be pervaisive around this forum. Page owes you nothing.

[sssrcr85]

Led Zeppelin is probably the most overrated band ever. they're good but not gods. screw them.

[jesse1367]

He would get even more casholla if he put it out on this game.

[Kobal2]

Your heroes will never love you as much as you love them. And why should they? What do you do with your life besides play someone else's music on a plastic guitar? I say this realizing this also applies to me. I just don't have the sense of entitliement that seems to be pervaisive around this forum. Page owes you nothing.

I can sort of agree (without being a dick about it :rolleyes:), and that's certainly a widely accepted idea in the artistic biz. Another view however, is that while there would be no music without the artists and their talent, there would be no artists without fans - a symbiotic relationship if you will. We need them as much as they need us.

But you are right in that neither party "deserves" anything from the other. It just generally works better for the organism as a whole when both elements of a symbiotic relationship get what they need. Bands who ignore (or worse, disparage) their own fans don't tend to remain popular. And like it or not, the rythm game fad is the breeding ground for this generation's fandom and the next. Just look at how well Coheed & Cambria is doing these days.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Your heroes will never love you as much as you love them. And why should they? What do you do with your life besides play someone else's music on a plastic guitar? I say this realizing this also applies to me. I just don't have the sense of entitliement that seems to be pervaisive around this forum. Page owes you nothing.

Wow you're a *****.

[foolosophy]

Wow you're a *****.

Seriously. For all he knows, there could be a firefighter, doctor or something of that sort that happens to love this game. I'd say they do a HELLUVA lot more for the world than Jimmy Page ever could on the guitar.

[moxieman]

i like led zeppelin. but somehow everybody hates them now JUST BECAUSE they wont put a song in a music game? seriously if you really want to listen to a led zeppelin tune, download it on your ipod or zune or go buy the CD. led Zeppelin is a great band, and not putting there song on RB is there choice, and hating them for not doing that is plain stupid.

[zerofan]

Right, heres what you don't understand.

Leona Lewis is a really, and i mean, REALLY good singer, and is also a very respectable lady. Plus, i doubt Leona Lewis got Page on the scene for the Olympic Celebration, it was more likely our PM or Major of London.

Page is playing it straight, he isn't comfortable with people using HIS music to recreate and be used on plastic replica's of instruments. He would rather people pick up real guitars and learn his riff's than say in the middle of a street "ZOMG LED ZEP IN GEETAR HAERO? LOL KASHMIR ZIN ROKK BANDS? I 100% THAT SONG".

We will get zep, but only when the industry evolves a little more.

Rush and a bunch of other legendary bands are cool with it...but not Led Zepp...how disappointing.....I dont think its for any other reason than $$$$$
If you come up with the over-inflated price that they prob want...then they will release their songs. I love Led Zeppelin, but there are so many other great bands who allow their songs to be released to the masses...who needs em! Keep your songs Page and Plant, enjoy them! We will play the songs of other rock legends.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Right, heres what you don't understand.

Leona Lewis is a really, and i mean, REALLY good singer, and is also a very respectable lady. Plus, i doubt Leona Lewis got Page on the scene for the Olympic Celebration, it was more likely our PM or Major of London.

Page is playing it straight, he isn't comfortable with people using HIS music to recreate and be used on plastic replica's of instruments. He would rather people pick up real guitars and learn his riff's than say in the middle of a street "ZOMG LED ZEP IN GEETAR HAERO? LOL KASHMIR ZIN ROKK BANDS? I 100% THAT SONG".

We will get zep, but only when the industry evolves a little more.
Right, but here's what you don't understand. Jimmy, Robert, JPJ or Jason have never said anything publicly about the game. All we have is a comment from one of Page's management people. And THAT guy said it had nothing to do with learning riffs or whatever stupid crap you said, it's that he doesn't want to give away his master recordings.

[moneyp]

Seriously. For all he knows, there could be a firefighter, doctor or something of that sort that happens to love this game. I'd say they do a HELLUVA lot more for the world than Jimmy Page ever could on the guitar.

It still doesn't change the initial point that the "screw you, Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin" crowd's anger springs from an overabundant sense of entitlement, which is rampant on these boards.

[simmias]

It still doesn't change the initial point that the "screw you, Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin" crowd's anger springs from an overabundant sense of entitlement, which is rampant on these boards.
I thought it sprang from a disgust of hypocrisy, which is rampant everywhere.

[willpwn4f0od]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.

i would pick fall out boy over Jimmy anyday... :D

[R4di4ti0n]

maybe im alone in this...but led zep isnt even that great. By a long shot. Id buy boston 3 times before i bought led zep. Hell, i would pobably buy the scene pack twice before i bought led zep.

[moneyp]

I thought it sprang from a disgust of hypocrisy, which is rampant everywhere.

Where's the hypocrisy? Page stands to make more from performing with P. Diddy or Leona Lewis than he does by licensing songs to Rock Band or Guitar Hero. The remaining members make more from putting their song in a commercial or movie than they do a rhythm game. That's not hypocrisy, it's capitalism.

There is nothing about Rock Band or Guitar Hero that makes licensing music to them any more "noble" than licensing it to another party. All this business about "exposing kids to good music" is so much B.S. Let's be honest. Everyone who wants Led Zeppelin in the game wants it for selfish reasons. Intimating anything else... well, that's hypocrisy.

[Pareidolia]

OK I've taken a couple of deep breaths and I would like to appologize for being such a dick. I'm just a little worn out after the 50th "I can't believe I've gotta pay again for 'Working Man'" thread. I've prolly turned you all off with my troll-like comments and you've skipped over my post but the truth is we only assume it's about the money. We really just don't know what the real reason is.

[tormz]

Where's the hypocrisy? Page stands to make more from performing with P. Diddy or Leona Lewis than he does by licensing songs to Rock Band or Guitar Hero. The remaining members make more from putting their song in a commercial or movie than they do a rhythm game. That's not hypocrisy, it's capitalism.

There is nothing about Rock Band or Guitar Hero that makes licensing music to them any more "noble" than licensing it to another party. All this business about "exposing kids to good music" is so much B.S. Let's be honest. Everyone who wants Led Zeppelin in the game wants it for selfish reasons. Intimating anything else... well, that's hypocrisy.

This ^

Also, how is performing along with P. Diddy or Leona Lewis, or letting them perform the songs, or allowing a movie to use one of their songs the same as licensing the masters themselves?

[Oscar-Rio]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.

maybe jimmy page hates music rhythm games.

[Rockin Rtard]

It still doesn't change the initial point that the "screw you, Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin" crowd's anger springs from an overabundant sense of entitlement, which is rampant on these boards.

I don't think the OP feels entitled to anything. He listed out multiple examples of Zepp's music being used in advertising, movies, etc. He's just asking what about us? If those other things aren't out there, this thread wouldn't have been started.

[foolosophy]

Where's the hypocrisy? Page stands to make more from performing with P. Diddy or Leona Lewis than he does by licensing songs to Rock Band or Guitar Hero. The remaining members make more from putting their song in a commercial or movie than they do a rhythm game. That's not hypocrisy, it's capitalism.

There is nothing about Rock Band or Guitar Hero that makes licensing music to them any more "noble" than licensing it to another party. All this business about "exposing kids to good music" is so much B.S. Let's be honest. Everyone who wants Led Zeppelin in the game wants it for selfish reasons. Intimating anything else... well, that's hypocrisy.

You seriously think the whole exposure fraction of rhythm games is void and null? That's pretty ignorant. I have cousins that are 6, 7, 9 and others around that young age who enjoy watching and playing Rock Band/Guitar Hero. They love bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. thanks to Rock Band and Guitar Hero. I'd say that's quite the influence. The whole rhythm genre has successfully revived the Rock and Roll industry and its bands. There's no way we'd see Rush release their Vault Edition of Working Man through iTunes, if it weren't for Rock Band.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Where's the hypocrisy? Page stands to make more from performing with P. Diddy or Leona Lewis than he does by licensing songs to Rock Band or Guitar Hero. The remaining members make more from putting their song in a commercial or movie than they do a rhythm game. That's not hypocrisy, it's capitalism.

There is nothing about Rock Band or Guitar Hero that makes licensing music to them any more "noble" than licensing it to another party. All this business about "exposing kids to good music" is so much B.S. Let's be honest. Everyone who wants Led Zeppelin in the game wants it for selfish reasons. Intimating anything else... well, that's hypocrisy.

Then get the **** off this forum if you hate the game so much.

I have seen many kids that are into older music now thanks you Guitar Hero and Rock Band. You're just an idiot.

[Oscar-Rio]

You seriously think the whole exposure fraction of rhythm games is void and null? That's pretty ignorant. I have cousins that are 6, 7, 9 and others around that young age who enjoy watching and playing Rock Band/Guitar Hero. They love bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. thanks to Rock Band and Guitar Hero. I'd say that's quite the influence. The whole rhythm genre has successfully revived the Rock and Roll industry and its bands. There's no way we'd see Rush release their Vault Edition of Working Man through iTunes, if it weren't for Rock Band.

bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. should be known for creating amazing music and not known as "one of the bands from that video game."

[skullpit]

bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. should be known for creating amazing music and not known as "one of the bands from that video game."

Who's to say what they should be known for? The fact is, that without "that video game", these kids wouldn't know these bands at all.

[tormz]

You seriously think the whole exposure fraction of rhythm games is void and null? That's pretty ignorant. I have cousins that are 6, 7, 9 and others around that young age who enjoy watching and playing Rock Band/Guitar Hero. They love bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. thanks to Rock Band and Guitar Hero. I'd say that's quite the influence. The whole rhythm genre has successfully revived the Rock and Roll industry and its bands. There's no way we'd see Rush release their Vault Edition of Working Man through iTunes, if it weren't for Rock Band.

so basically if those bands hadn't been added to rb/gh the chances of them being requested as dlc etc would be fairly slim right? Don't know many people that request bands they never heard of, or ever listened to.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. should be known for creating amazing music and not known as "one of the bands from that video game."

They aren't. It's just that alot of people got into their music through the games. There's nothing wrong with that.

[jojofry]

If there so fregin afraid of the master tracks getting hurt why dont they just go to them with the software and do it at there place ... Laptops do wonders... Oh its about the money that is how i see it.... Its cool by me though they only made 4 songs i like .. And if they got stairway everyone would just ***** anyways ...

[Legion37]

Who's to say what they should be known for? The fact is, that without "that video game", these kids wouldn't know these bands at all.

Seriously? Its about exposure. Thats like saying instead of "that video game" putting as "that radio station".

Weither you hear it or play it its called media exposure. Without that, most bands would flounder.

I'll admit without the game I woulda missed out on some excellent groups, and now I own CDs by them.

[Legion37]

If there so fregin afraid of the master tracks getting hurt why dont they just go to them with the software and do it at there place ... Laptops do wonders... Oh its about the money that is how i see it.... Its cool by me though they only made 4 songs i like .. And if they got stairway everyone would just ***** anyways ...

I kinda feel "puts the flame re.tardant suit on" that "Stairway to Heaven" is over rated. I do like the song, and dont mind slow...probably easy on a plastic guitar, song to be released on Rockband. I'd buy it, but I do feel its overrated or at least over played

[supersickie]

If there so fregin afraid of the master tracks getting hurt why dont they just go to them with the software and do it at there place ... Laptops do wonders... Oh its about the money that is how i see it.... Its cool by me though they only made 4 songs i like .. And if they got stairway everyone would just ***** anyways ...

Zeppelin recorded four songs you like? Only four!? I won't berate you or even question you as to which four songs you like; I'll merely weep for you.

[Kobal2]

bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. should be known for creating amazing music and not known as "one of the bands from that video game."

So how should a band be introduced to someone ? How should bands be known as ?

- the band from that movie/TV show/commercial ?
- the band my friend told me about ?
- the band with the cool CD cover ?
- the band who did that MTV clip with the guitars and the boobies ?
- the band mentionned in the liner notes of that band ?
- the band that opened for that band ?
- the band with the make-up and general media whoring ? (sorry KISS fans :o)
- the band the DJ put in the club ?
- the band that came up on the radio after that commercial about dog food ?

Do tell me. I really need to know the proper way to find out about new bands. Seems I've been doing it wrong for YEARS, man :(.

[Homersan]

Did Led Zeppelin not release 20+ digitally "remastered" songs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_Remasters

Why not just send Harmonix some of these remasters? I'm sure there just as good as the originals! Better yet, use the digital masters used for Mothership...

[OutlawPro]

I don't understand this whole "masters" thing. I understand it's the original studio recording, but with today's tech, why can't they just copy them. I find it hard to believe that Led Zep doesn't already have copies of the master recordings in case something else happens to the originals. With today's tech, a copy should be just as good as the original for use in applications such as Rock Band or GH.

[moneyp]

You seriously think the whole exposure fraction of rhythm games is void and null? That's pretty ignorant. I have cousins that are 6, 7, 9 and others around that young age who enjoy watching and playing Rock Band/Guitar Hero. They love bands like Rush, The Who, Boston etc. thanks to Rock Band and Guitar Hero. I'd say that's quite the influence. The whole rhythm genre has successfully revived the Rock and Roll industry and its bands. There's no way we'd see Rush release their Vault Edition of Working Man through iTunes, if it weren't for Rock Band.

I think that the exposure is a side benefit. It isn't why Harmonix made the game. It isn't why bands release their music to the game. It isn't why the great majority of users download the songs and it isn't, repeat after me, why people are gnashing their teeth that Led Zeppelin isn't in the game. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Young people today, including your nephews, can tell whether or not they like a certain piece of music even if they're not playing a plastic instrument in time with it. Rock Band wasn't around when I introduced my nephews to the Beatles, the Stones and the Clash. I just played the music for them.

And "successfully revived the rock and roll industry" is hyperbole if I've ever heard it. It's a nice source of additional revenue for artists as long as the games remains popular, and I'm sure there's some carryover sales to the bands' recorded work, but it's not like we're suddenly hearing Boston in places we didn't hear them before (meaning outside of classic rock radio). There isn't a Boston revival going on just because their music makes good rock band content.

The definitive take on rock's "revival"

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100

Simply put, it's the same damned stuff people were buying before Rock Band was ever released.

[Kobal2]

Young people today, including your nephews, can tell whether or not they like a certain piece of music even if they're not playing a plastic instrument in time with it. Rock Band wasn't around when I introduced my nephews to the Beatles, the Stones and the Clash. I just played the music for them.

While extrapolating a general rule from your own experience is fine and dandy :rolleyes:, what do you think most 5, 8 or 15 year olds would rather do ? Bang on plastic drums with their friends, or sit down and be quiet while the Old Man plays them his tunes ?

Nevermind the humongous number of parents who have, shall we say, questionable musical tastes. If my dad had worked on introducing me to the stuff he likes/liked, I'd be listening to some very sh*tty pop rock and a-capella Corsican singing right now.

Or possibly some incredibly good classical music, but I found out about Brahms, Bach and the rest of the Johan's without his help :p

[jojofry]

Zeppelin recorded four songs you like? Only four!? I won't berate you or even question you as to which four songs you like; I'll merely weep for you.


Sorry bud it might be 7 or 8 but hey i do respect them . I do think there the second best band behind the beetles in rock history... Not a big beetles fan also.. My young years are 80s metal .Thank god i dont do the dlcs heheh:)

[master2uall]

i wouldnt pay anything more for led zep than what i did for the pixies, i know they are great, but im not paying extra for that priv. if they dont want to release their songs, who cares, there are plenty more bands i want and they dont start with led.

[flop404]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol? I just don't get it. He's "uncomfortable" lending his music to Harmonix so legions of fans can enjoy pretending to him, but he's perfectly fine lending it to talentless tramps like P. Diddy to completely dump on Kashmir or allow that one hit wonder to butcher Whole Lotta Love. He even gave out The Immigrant Song to a Shrek movie. FREAKING SHREK! What's the deal Jimmy? Heaven forbid you actually reach some kid stuck on bands like Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte and introduce them to some REAL music. Hell, you've already whored out Kashmir beyond all hope, give us that one at least. Maybe then I'll stop having those vivid nightmares of "Come With Me" whenever I hear that iconic opening.

Page may very well dislike the whole "rythm game" concept.

So what ?

He wrote the damn songs you're "ready to pay 30 $ for", he's pretty much entitled to choose what, how, and for which usage they may be used, isn't he ?

[samjjones]

Page may very well dislike the whole "rythm game" concept.

So what ?

He wrote the damn songs you're "ready to pay 30 $ for", he's pretty much entitled to choose what, how, and for which usage they may be used, isn't he ?

Well, "some" of the songs, anyways.

[chewyx]

Yeah, there...I said it. Screw Jimmy Page. He can't release his masters to Harmonix, but he can whore himself out to P. Diddy and some pop tramp who won Britain's version of American Idol?

um actually american idol is the american version of pop idol which was a british tv show FIRST. damn americans thinking you invented everything:D

btw im not proud if the fact that britain created this (hangs head in shame) and i think the rest of the world is perfectly justified in hating us for this fact alone thats before you mention any of the other ****e that has come out of this country.

[jojofry]

um actually american idol is the american version of pop idol which was a british tv show FIRST. damn americans thinking you invented everything:D

btw im not proud if the fact that britain created this (hangs head in shame) and i think the rest of the world is perfectly justified in hating us for this fact alone thats before you mention any of the other ****e that has come out of this country.

Hehehe star search was out before all of them and the americans made that ... Just pulling your chain ..

[moneyp]

While extrapolating a general rule from your own experience is fine and dandy :rolleyes:, what do you think most 5, 8 or 15 year olds would rather do ? Bang on plastic drums with their friends, or sit down and be quiet while the Old Man plays them his tunes ?

I didn't sit them down and play it for them, they just heard when I played it in the car or at home or whatever. That's how I got into '60s and '70s music as well despite being born in '71. Through the sound of my sister's LPs coming from the turntable. A videogame is not the only and definitely not the dominant method of being exposed to music.

In any event, this is straying from the initial point in that "exposing the kids to good music" is not the real reason people are clamoring for Zeppelin DLC. It's transparently disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

[Droosies]

I see your point. Too bad you can't articulate in a way that doesn't make you look like a pathetic snob. Also, who are you to define REAL MUSIC? Moron...

Real Music = something that wil live on in infamy forever. AKA...Stairway to Heaven, Kashmir, Dazed And Confused, Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Love, All My Love...want me to go on? Name one Fall Out Boy song that will be played 30 years from now. Thank you, my point has been proven. Go play in traffic.

[chewyx]

Hehehe star search was out before all of them and the americans made that ... Just pulling your chain ..

actually according to wikipedia (which as we all know is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.)

Popstars was the inspiration for american idol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popstars

It was acutally new zeland that invented it so we're both wrong!:D

[skullpit]

Real Music = something that wil live on in infamy forever. AKA...Stairway to Heaven, Kashmir, Dazed And Confused, Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Love, All My Love...want me to go on? Name one Fall Out Boy song that will be played 30 years from now. Thank you, my point has been proven. Go play in traffic.

Well actually you'll have to wait 30 years for you point to be proven. You're just speculating.

[o1skinneej]

actually according to wikipedia (which as we all know is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.)

Popstars was the inspiration for american idol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popstars

It was acutally new zeland that invented it so we're both wrong!:D

Nice sly mention of another thing that the Brits gave us....THE OFFICE!!!

[Captain Zepp 07]

i would pick fall out boy over Jimmy anyday... :D

Ok, what the hell is wrong with you?! Really? ... i mean, really?!!? come on. Jimmy Page may be a whore for money but still he's loved by many. No matter how strong arguments for Led to be in RB get, whenever asked whose your favorite guitarist, its .... well, your opinion but Jimmy Page still shines in that aspect. Same for singer and drums and bass. Really, John Paul Jones just played yet it adored for his style because its Led Zeppelin, so quit you're *****ing about hating the band already you fake bastards.

They love the money and the praise they get, but still, you love them ( i do) so meh

[SnowFreak13]

Not a big beetles fan also

You made me cry. "Beetles"? Seriously!?!?!?


BEATLES!!!!

[chewyx]

Nice sly mention of another thing that the Brits gave us....THE OFFICE!!!

Well done sir you win a prize*. Didnt think anyone would guess the connection so quickly.

BTW the office rules (yes even the american one, thats mighty funny too!)

back on topic, i think led zep will eventually make its way into rock band and i for one would be happy to pay £30 for a 12 pack

*you dont actually win a "prize" as such but you have earned my respect!

[Droosies]

It's all about setting business precedents. If Rock Band were to pay "$1,000,000" for a set of Zeppelin tunes, that would just open the field for bands and studios to cry foul.

Metallica would come back and say "no more tunes until we get $1,000,000", AC/DC would follow suit... hell, Bob Dylan might jump aboard the bandwagon looking for increased residuals.

My point is that you would inevitably out price consumers to reconcile these overpriced bands. $99.95 gets you the RB3 game only!

Moreover, it wouldn't be just DLC if RB bought the rights, they would milk it as much as GH:WT is doing with the Doors.

I'm not interested in paying a premium just for one epic band. I would rather have a 80 different bands for the same price.

The part you quoted was actually at $20 for the 12-pack, same as the Who. Personally, I have no flipping clue what Harmonix pays the bands for rights to thier songs. But I'm willing to bet that AC/DC doesn't get paid the same as Paramore. If it's an iconic group, you could get away with paying them more money, because...they're icons. I doubt anyone would get mad if a band like Led Zeppelin or The Beatles got paid more than they did for Rock Band, because they revolutionized music.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the contract info is kept confidential and other people can't find out how much everyone else was paid. So for all you know, Metallica, AC/DC, and Bob Dylan were paid $1,000,000 for the rights to their songs.

[skullpit]

You made me cry. "Beetles"? Seriously!?!?!?


BEATLES!!!!

I guess I make you cry also. I HATE the Beatles. Rolling Stones FTW!

[o1skinneej]

Well done sir you win a prize*. Didnt think anyone would guess the connection so quickly.

BTW the office rules (yes even the american one, thats mighty funny too!)

back on topic, i think led zep will eventually make its way into rock band and i for one would be happy to pay £30 for a 12 pack

*you dont actually win a "prize" as such but you have earned my respect!

Is your respect transferable for RB DLC? I could use it towards a Zep pack that, I too, would pay much more than expected to play ANY of their songs.

[SnowFreak13]

I guess I make you cry also. I HATE the Beatles. Rolling Stones FTW!

you do, but at least your grammatically coherent, so its okay.

but nobody can hate "The Beetles" because it makes you an idiot. Its like hating "Lead Zeppelin" or "Pink Phloyd"

[chewyx]

Is your respect transferable for RB DLC? I could use it towards a Zep pack that, I too, would pay much more than expected to play ANY of their songs.

lol sadly not but you can redeem it for a smiley face:o

ill stop hijacking the thread now

[Droosies]

I'm pretty sure he cares more about his payment for lending out the master recordings than actually being worried about lending out the tapes.

Then why can't they do what The Who did and carefully overlook the process? That way the precious masters never leave their sites. What do they think the guys at Harmonix are just gonna go "Thanks for the masters, now f*** off!"? HELL NO! They'd be drooling over them like Star Wars geeks on a Princess Leia cosplayer.

[Droosies]

It still doesn't change the initial point that the "screw you, Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin" crowd's anger springs from an overabundant sense of entitlement, which is rampant on these boards.

I don't feel entitled to anything. But I do see it as a kind of slap in the face that Page will give over Kashmir to a hack like P. Diddy to absolutely BUTCHER Kashmir (To this day I can't even listen to it anymore), but he can't loan his music to a video game that will actually treat his music with respect. I don't get that. Oh...you want the Immigrant Song for Shrek so Snow White can use it to call her animal friends? That's fine. Oh you want to enjoy playing my songs on a plastic guitar? Screw that noise!

[troywhalen]

For a 12-pack of Led Zep, say:

Stairway to Heaven
Kashmir
Communication Breakdown
Whole Lotta Love
Immigrant Song
Ramble On
D'yer Mak'er
Going To California
Dazed and Confused
Black Dog
All My Love
In My Time of Dying

I'd easily pay $30 for this. It's also not too farfetched to believe that thousands of others wouldn't follow suit. No idea what Rock Band's sales numbers are, I just know there's a press release of them passing the 1 million units sold mark way back in January. Since then, Rock Band has been released in several other countries, so let's just assume there's 2 million units sold today. It's probably more, but we'll just leave it at that. Even if HMX released a 12-pack for $20 like they did with The Who, HMX could pay Led Zep $1,000,000 for the rights to the songs and it would just take 50,000 purchases to make that money back. That's 1 in 40 people who own Rock Band need to buy it. For a coup as big as this, I'd say it's safe to bet that HMX would still make a killing on the deal. Wouldn't you? If they made it $30? Forget about it. Only 33,334 people would need to buy it, and I'm sure they'd still quickly exceed that mark. 33,000 people...out of 2 MILLION. The money is not the issue here. It's the fact that Jimmy Page is worried about his precious masters. Which is absolutely ridiculous because he's whored himself out to lots worse people than Harmonix.

You're forgetting that Microsoft, Sony, and other **** will get money too.

[Droosies]

maybe jimmy page hates music rhythm games.

He must hate Kashmir too....

[Droosies]

so basically if those bands hadn't been added to rb/gh the chances of them being requested as dlc etc would be fairly slim right? Don't know many people that request bands they never heard of, or ever listened to.

Let me phrase it to you this way...how many people do you see asking for Zombies DLC? America DLC? Byrds DLC? Not very many. Why? Kids today don't know of these bands. Actually, they do, they just don't know it. Imagine a 3-pack of:

The Zombies - Time of The Season
America - Horse With No Name
Byrds - Turn, Turn, Turn

Everyone's heard those songs, but not everyone knows who they're by. How many kids today listen to Led Zeppelin or The Beatles? Not too many. And that's a shame. Through Rock Band, Rush has reached out to a much younger crowd.

[Red_Lion]

I hate Jimmy Page
Get those ******s off the stage
Fight the future and f*ck the past

If anyone gets that song reference they get a cookie. :)

But seriously, Led Zep have always been known for somehow being really overprotective of their songs for some reason, heck, Jack Black had to beg them on camera in front of about a thousand people in order for him to be allowed to put 3 seconds of the Immigrant Song on School of Rock!

I want Stairway on Rock Band so bad. :(

[Droosies]

I don't understand this whole "masters" thing. I understand it's the original studio recording, but with today's tech, why can't they just copy them. I find it hard to believe that Led Zep doesn't already have copies of the master recordings in case something else happens to the originals. With today's tech, a copy should be just as good as the original for use in applications such as Rock Band or GH.

It has to do with the charting. What would be easier? Charting a song by listening to the entire song being played at one time or isolating the guitar, the drums and the bass so that only those play? When all four play at once it gets rather hard to chart. This is why they need the masters. The masters are isolated for every member (usually).

[My name is Fez]

I think that the exposure is a side benefit. It isn't why Harmonix made the game. It isn't why bands release their music to the game. It isn't why the great majority of users download the songs and it isn't, repeat after me, why people are gnashing their teeth that Led Zeppelin isn't in the game. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Young people today, including your nephews, can tell whether or not they like a certain piece of music even if they're not playing a plastic instrument in time with it. Rock Band wasn't around when I introduced my nephews to the Beatles, the Stones and the Clash. I just played the music for them.

And "successfully revived the rock and roll industry" is hyperbole if I've ever heard it. It's a nice source of additional revenue for artists as long as the games remains popular, and I'm sure there's some carryover sales to the bands' recorded work, but it's not like we're suddenly hearing Boston in places we didn't hear them before (meaning outside of classic rock radio). There isn't a Boston revival going on just because their music makes good rock band content.

The definitive take on rock's "revival"

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100

Simply put, it's the same damned stuff people were buying before Rock Band was ever released.

Agreed, my girlfriend's 14 year-old brother got GH3 before I got RB. He basically thinks anything that's like, 6 months or older is "lame" because of how old it is, with a few exceptions. He likes basically Boston, Eric Clapton and The Beatles, which he got from his mom. Apart from that? He hates The Who. He only likes The Seeker because it's in GH3. He hates Metallica, he only likes One because it was in GH3. He hates Iron Maiden, including Number of the Beast, and he hates Led Zeppelin. However, he thinks The Strokes, Rise Against, and Jimmy Eat World are AWESOME (which JEW is, but, better than The Who? Come on.) He basically hates like, 95% of the classic bands that are in RB/GH.

The notion that RB and GH are "reviving" classic rock is BS. Is it exposing the artists to a new fanbase? Absolutely. But all it's really doing is getting them a little extra cash. They get no more notoriety, they get no more airplay, they get basically nothing besides some new, younger fans, and some more money.

And as far as the Led Zeppelin debate goes. Is Jimmy Page a whore for money? Probably. But the "HE'S NOT LETTING HIS MUSIC GET HEARD SO HE'S DUMB AND SHOULD GIVE US KASHMIR" argument is silly. How much press coverage did the reunion show get? More than 25 years after the breakup of Led Zeppelin, with no new material besides Coda and some greatest hits records, they made worldwide headlines by playing ONE concert. How many fans got exposed to Zeppelin through that?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying that if they put songs in RB the exposure would be absolutely minimal. All I'm saying is that Led Zeppelin doesn't NEED the exposure. If/when they do a world tour, that is going to give them a LOT more exposure than an appearance in a video game ever could. Hell, how many people bought Mothership? Led Zeppelin has about as much risk of fading out as The Beatles.

The only reason we're all so pissed off (and I'm no exception) is because we want to play Stairway to Heaven on our plastic instruments and Jimmy Page won't let us.

[tormz]

Let me phrase it to you this way...how many people do you see asking for Zombies DLC? America DLC? Byrds DLC? Not very many. Why? Kids today don't know of these bands. Actually, they do, they just don't know it. Imagine a 3-pack of:

The Zombies - Time of The Season
America - Horse With No Name
Byrds - Turn, Turn, Turn

Everyone's heard those songs, but not everyone knows who they're by. How many kids today listen to Led Zeppelin or The Beatles? Not too many. And that's a shame. Through Rock Band, Rush has reached out to a much younger crowd.

I'm not arguing that adding classic bands to a music game doesn't broaden people's musical experience. The argument is that the people that are requesting bands like Led Zeppelin are NOT asking for them so that the younger generation can experience it, they are asking for it for purely selfish reasons: so they can play the songs themselves. Reaching the younger generations is just a bonus.

[Droosies]

Well actually you'll have to wait 30 years for you point to be proven. You're just speculating.

What I meant was, what Fall Out Boy song out right now has the staying power to stay be getting air time 30 years from now? Not one. Hell, the only thing I ever hear from them getting played on the radio is their new stuff. They don't even have the staying power for THREE years, let alone 30.

[My name is Fez]

What I meant was, what Fall Out Boy song out right now has the staying power to stay be getting air time 30 years from now? Not one. Hell, the only thing I ever hear from them getting played on the radio is their new stuff. They don't even have the staying power for THREE years, let alone 30.

qft.

We can't say with 100% certainty that Fall Out Boy won't be played in 30 years. But I'd bet my first born son's life that it won't happen.

It's HIGHLY improbable.

[SnowFreak13]

Imagine a 3-pack of:

The Zombies - Time of The Season
America - Horse With No Name
Byrds - Turn, Turn, Turn


I would kill for that pack, it would definitely be an insta-buy for me.

[Droosies]

Agreed, my girlfriend's 14 year-old brother got GH3 before I got RB. He basically thinks anything that's like, 6 months or older is "lame" because of how old it is, with a few exceptions. He likes basically Boston, Eric Clapton and The Beatles, which he got from his mom. Apart from that? He hates The Who. He only likes The Seeker because it's in GH3. He hates Metallica, he only likes One because it was in GH3. He hates Iron Maiden, including Number of the Beast, and he hates Led Zeppelin. However, he thinks The Strokes, Rise Against, and Jimmy Eat World are AWESOME (which JEW is, but, better than The Who? Come on.) He basically hates like, 95% of the classic bands that are in RB/GH.

The notion that RB and GH are "reviving" classic rock is BS. Is it exposing the artists to a new fanbase? Absolutely. But all it's really doing is getting them a little extra cash. They get no more notoriety, they get no more airplay, they get basically nothing besides some new, younger fans, and some more money.

So because your girlfriend's brother has the musical taste of a half eaten granola bar, RB and GH aren't reviving classic rock? Hell, to be quite honest, I was never that big of a Rush fan. I knew of the band, but didn't know what songs they sang. Don't get me wrong, I'd heard Limelight, Working Man, Tom Sawyer and Closer to the Heart several times before, just never knew that was Rush. I know have several of thier albums.


And as far as the Led Zeppelin debate goes. Is Jimmy Page a whore for money? Probably. But the "HE'S NOT LETTING HIS MUSIC GET HEARD SO HE'S DUMB AND SHOULD GIVE US KASHMIR" argument is silly. How much press coverage did the reunion show get? More than 25 years after the breakup of Led Zeppelin, with no new material besides Coda and some greatest hits records, they made worldwide headlines by playing ONE concert. How many fans got exposed to Zeppelin through that?

Keep in mind, I'm not saying that if they put songs in RB the exposure would be absolutely minimal. All I'm saying is that Led Zeppelin doesn't NEED the exposure. If/when they do a world tour, that is going to give them a LOT more exposure than an appearance in a video game ever could. Hell, how many people bought Mothership? Led Zeppelin has about as much risk of fading out as The Beatles.

What about when they're all dead? Will be kinda hard for them to have a reunion tour then. Also, I never said he was dumb "because he wasn't letting his music get heard." I said he was dumb because he's giving it to the wrong people. I mean seriously...P.Diddy? You think a bunch of guys in Harlem went "Yo man, that song was tight. I like Led Zeppelin now." Hell no. I'm willing to bet most of the people who actually like P. Diddy didn't even KNOW that was a former Led Zeppelin song. And having the screams from the Immigrant Song in Shrek 3? Are you kidding? They're not okay with loaning thier music so people can play them on plastic guitars, but they're fine having a bunch of 8 year olds think Robert Plant is Snow White. Yeah...good call.


The only reason we're all so pissed off (and I'm no exception) is because we want to play Stairway to Heaven on our plastic instruments and Jimmy Page won't let us.

Not true. If Led Zeppelin was stingy with it's music usage like The Beatles are, then I wouldn't be having a problem. But when you're loaning out your music to P. Diddy and Shrek 3, not to mention Cadillac commercials. The Beatles don't allow any songs to get out, and the ones they do are cover versions. I mean seriously, I found this little tidbit on wikipedia..."The band has denied frequent requests by developers of popular music video games to use their songs. Like with other forms of media, the band seeks to protect the integrity of their work." THE INTEGRITY? THIS IS INTEGRITY?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvA26p6wMYc

[tormz]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but does not Page himself play the music for P.Diddy's song?

[Colt_Steele]

if they dont want to release their songs, who cares, there are plenty more bands i want and they dont start with led.
+1
It is one band. If all I had to listen to on a deserted island was one LZ record(on a coconut-powered record player)I would still get sick of it and throw it in the drink eventually, no matter how high an esteem I held it in.

[lawrence1103]

i like led zeppelin. but somehow everybody hates them now JUST BECAUSE they wont put a song in a music game? seriously if you really want to listen to a led zeppelin tune, download it on your ipod or zune or go buy the CD. led Zeppelin is a great band, and not putting there song on RB is there choice, and hating them for not doing that is plain stupid.

Amen. I would love to have Led Zeppelin in the game but if they never do release their masters so be it, i'm not gonna die. I have all their albums and will always listen to them.


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[lawrence1103]

Real Music = something that wil live on in infamy forever. AKA...Stairway to Heaven, Kashmir, Dazed And Confused, Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Love, All My Love...want me to go on? Name one Fall Out Boy song that will be played 30 years from now. Thank you, my point has been proven. Go play in traffic.

Touché. People just can't grasp the concept that Led Zeppelin is one if not the greatest band ever and their music will live on forever while Pop bands will have a popular single that will be overplayed within a year of being released and never be heard from again. This applies to bands like FOB and similar bands and especially hip hop!

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[Bub]

Money. That's all. Money.

Ya see,

P.Diddy, American Idol and Shrek = monster amounts of casholla

Ya got that right.

[Mister_Rogers69]

I think this is his reason for Zeppelin not giving their music to rock band.

Now im sure that most people on this forum believe that rock band and guitar hero is just a game, which it is. However, there are some very dumb people who think it is a real thing and act like being able to play some really hard song on expert is the greatest thing ever. Those people pretend to like music, yet only know the one or two songs that band has on the game. These people are a bigger disgrace to the music than emo is. Jimmy, Plant, and Jones probably dont want to see these people claiming they like their music.

Whether thats the reason or not, its what would happen.

And to the TS, if its one person in the bands fault, it would be Plant, Page and Jones at the moment would love to start touring but you know who doesnt want to? Plant. Besides, they hardly ever let their music be put in anything. You know why school of rock is one of the very few movies containing a Zep song? Because they got thousands of people to sign a petition and stand outside of Page's house until he gave them permission to use Immigrant Song in the movie.

To be honest, while it would be great to play some of my favorite Zeppelin tracks such as Black Dog, The Lemon Song, Dazed and Confused, Heartbreaker, Whole Lotta Love, D'yer Mak'er, and Over the Hills and Far away(no stairway, face it that would make a terrible choice for rock band, people who spout that as the only zep song they want to see in the game have probably only heard that song by them or they just say it because people say its great) it would cause one of my favorite bands to gain all these so called "fans" who know nothing about their music and claim they love them, when all they know is the song on the game.

These are just games, fun games, but just games. Most of us realize this, some however, do not.

That is why I think its best they stay out.