Gameradar compares notecharts gh3 vs rb, 2vids!

[eldoctorg]

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/wii/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=2007111592215587002&releaseId=2007041012041714057&sectionId=1006&pageId=200711159255306095

in my opinion it looks like hmx did a better job making the note charts except for reptilia, it looks like they are playing it on hard instead on expert

oh and ignore the fact that its in the wii section of the site, its only there because gh3 is on the wii

[Apples]

I don't agree with their conclusion on expert being the new hard. All the songs they compared are in the lower/easier half of the difficulty for the guitar setlist.

Plus the vids show the songs on hard, not expert.

Totally flawed article.

[admanimal]

One thing that jumps out is in Cherub Rock how GH3 uses several repeated 3 note chords to cover the same thing that RB does with a couple 2 note chords where the second chord is held. The RB way matches the song much better I think.

[KaoAtlas]

Apearently...

Guitar Hero III hard = Guitar Hero II expert
Rock Band Expert = Guitar Hero II hard

I do agree all of the songs look good except for Reptilla, but Vasoline was pretty hard for it being "GH2 hard".

[masterx1918]

this is more evidence that Harmonix are the masters at making notecharts.

[Catalytic]

Interesting video ... RB looked generally easier, but truer to the music than GH3.

The thing I really noticed was that the Mississippi Queen cover singer was terrible. This might be a candidate for worst cover song in the Harmonix library.

[admanimal]

I'm just glad I'll be too busy playing the game to read all of the "OMG the guitar is too easy" threads after the game comes out.

[ZkDotNet]

HMX's Reptilia chart just doesn't seem right. The rest are fine, but that one really seems dumbed down.

I'm gonna go look at the guitar tabs for it.

[ThePaska]

I really like how Rock Band's note charts are to be honest. Even if they are "easier" at parts, they most likely stay true to the song. I find that GH III forces their note charts and makes them harder just for the sake of being hard even if it doesn't flow right.

[eldoctorg]

Interesting video ... RB looked generally easier, but truer to the music than GH3.

The thing I really noticed was that the Mississippi Queen cover singer was terrible. This might be a candidate for worst cover song in the Harmonix library.

don't quote me on this but im pretty sure thats the cover thats in gh3

[admanimal]

don't quote me on this but im pretty sure thats the cover thats in gh3

You can hear the RB sound effects playing though, I think they used the RB audio.

[stiper327b]

The only chart that seemed less interesting than GHIII's was the one for Reptilia, but I'm sure that will be remedied on the Expert mode.

And honestly, looking at those charts, I don't care how much easier the parts are in RB, they look like they'll just be more fun. Which is the reason why I play these crazy games in the first place. Weird, I know.

[Catalytic]

don't quote me on this but im pretty sure thats the cover thats in gh3

I quoted you on it ... no, I don't think so. The GHIII cover doesn't bother me at all, but the one used in the video I thought was atrocious. Oh well, can't win them all.

[Struct09]

Apearently...Guitar Hero III hard = Guitar Hero II expert

Definitely not true. GH3 on Expert is pretty much the same as GH2 on Expert, except for the last tier. The last tier of GH3 is ridiculous (here's looking at you Raining Blood). If anything, I had an easier time 4 and 5-starring the expert songs on GH3 than I did in GH2 (again, last tier of GH3 excluded)

[Bunleigh]

Looks to me like they're comparing GH3's expert to RB's hard. There's no way those are expert charts, in Reptilia and Paranoid there are tons of notes missing from the RB chart.

Or maybe they're comparing hard to hard. GH3's hard is a lot harder than the older games.

[ZkDotNet]

The only chart that seemed less interesting than GHIII's was the one for Reptilia, but I'm sure that will be remedied on the Expert mode.

And honestly, looking at those charts, I don't care how much easier the parts are in RB, they look like they'll just be more fun. Which is the reason why I play these crazy games in the first place. Weird, I know.
I'm pretty sure that is expert.

Okay, I just played the riff for Reptillia (on the realz geetar, lulz). Both charts are off. GH3 has way too many notes and RB is missing notes.

Edit: I'm an idiot. It was hard. The RB on expert is spot on to the real guitar.

[ThePaska]

Rock Band's Mississippi Queens' cover doesn't sound that terrible. And in all honesty it wont even matter that much since you can sing over it anyways

[Catalytic]

Definitely not true. GH3 on Expert is pretty much the same as GH2 on Expert, except for the last tier. The last tier of GH3 is ridiculous (here's looking at you Raining Blood). If anything, I had an easier time 4 and 5-starring the expert songs on GH3 than I did in GH2 (again, last tier of GH3 excluded)

Part of the relative ease might be due to the looser time window to hit the notes in GH3 compared to GH2. I think the article was considering note frequency only.

[eldoctorg]

I quoted you on it ... no, I don't think so. The GHIII cover doesn't bother me at all, but the one used in the video I thought was atrocious. Oh well, can't win them all.

ya youre right, my mistake, oh well i wont really care about playing that song anyway, ive played it to death in gh3

[Metalteeth]

Unless they changed the chart from this video to now, proof that Reptilia for RB was on hard:

Here is a video, both on expert.

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[Catalytic]

Unless they changed the chart from this video to now, proof that Reptilia for RB was on hard:

Here is a video, both on expert.

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Both games were on hard. Quoting the article:
For the answer, we turn to our custom-built comparison videos that split the screen right down the middle - Guitar Hero III on the left, Rock Band on the right. The two games share six songs, so we played them on hard and stacked them against each other with the actual song playing over them.

[ThePaska]

Unless they changed the chart from this video to now, proof that Reptilia for RB was on hard:


Well the article does say that both songs are done on hard mode, so you are right, that is not Rock Band's Reptillia on expert.

[eldoctorg]

Unless they changed the chart from this video to now, proof that Reptilia for RB was on hard:

Here is a video, both on expert.

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well the folks over at gameradar are pretty stupid, how could they say that that rb expert =gh2 hard when they were playing rb on hard

[SteppinRazor]

I enjoyed GH3, but found that IMO, its 'hard' setting was, in general, just about equivelent to GH2's 'expert' setting.

Worse than that though, on hard and expert, GH3 really did feel like it was inflating the difficulty needlessly. In some songs it felt very game-y, and not as music-y as GH2 did.

Popular as it may be to cast derision on GH3, I think that the game itself is a solid experience, and can be a load of fun (apart from the graphics, atmosphere, and the sections that take you out of the moment with their overt game-yness). Not as good as GH2, but that would be a pretty tough act to follow without going the RB route of explosive innovation and expansion of the concept.

After watching a few comparative note chart videos, I think HMX has maintained the great balance they had in GH2, and I can't wait for December.

[Catalytic]

Rock Band's Mississippi Queens' cover doesn't sound that terrible. And in all honesty it wont even matter that much since you can sing over it anyways

The singer's voice just doesn't have the natural bass funk of the Mountain singer. I guess it is just a matter of taste and another listen isn't quite as troubling as the first hearing, but I still wouldn't consider it a good cover.

[HMXJohnlok]

I just gave it a quick look over. I'm not sure what difficulty they had GH3 on, but Rock Band's Reptilia is definitely on "hard" in that video.

[ZkDotNet]

well the folks over at gameradar are pretty stupid, how could they say that that rb expert =gh2 hard when they were playing rb on hard

Yea, that threw me off too. I didn't see the part where they said they were playing on hard. The RB Reptillia note track is spot on to the real guitar. In fact, both GH and RB on expert are almost identical, except RB moves to rhythm guitar instead of repeating the riff over and over.

[Metalteeth]

:rolleyes: 3 people say the exact same thing to me...thanks guys;)

I must have somehow missed it.

AND WHO PLAYS ON HARD AND SAYS THAT THE CHARTS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THE ACTUAL MUSIC!

Its like reading a 5th grade math book, and instantly knowing integral calculus :confused:

[KaoAtlas]

Speaking of Rock Band dificulty, a classmate said he wouldn't but Rock Band because it was easier than GH3, which he can't even beat.

[SteppinRazor]

Speaking of Rock Band dificulty, a classmate said he wouldn't but Rock Band because it was easier than GH3, which he can't even beat.

Diffrent strokes eh? Thats the game for some people, but it doesn't make sense to me. I'm looking for the experience, not trying to optimize my score.

[admanimal]

I've beat GH1 and 2 on expert but I think my favorite song to play is still Surrender (on Expert). It just feels good to play that song! Not too hard but a lot of notes that make you feel like you're really playing it.

[Metalteeth]

Diffrent strokes eh? Thats the game for some people, but it doesn't make sense to me. I'm looking for the experience, not trying to optimize my score.

Or you could just go with the optimal, enjoy both the absolute fun of the game plus high scores.

[Bakkster]

AND WHO PLAYS ON HARD AND SAYS THAT THE CHARTS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THE ACTUAL MUSIC!

Its like reading a 5th grade math book, and instantly knowing integral calculus :confused:

Agreed. This is like comparing race cars by driving them at 25 MPH and saying one handles better.

[SteppinRazor]

Or you could just go with the optimal, enjoy both the absolute fun of the game plus high scores.

Well, of course my brother and I try to beat each other's scores, and the goal is to five-star every song eventually, but I mean I have no interest in going to a website to brag about my score or look at online leader boards. That side of it just isn't my cuppa tea.

[foolosophy]

Ok. Reptilia chart was seriously lacking, even for Hard. I mean GH3's hard over-compensates on the notes but Reptilia for RB on Hard looks like it's playing Medium with an orange here and there. Oh well no big, I'll just play it on Expert. The expert chart in RB is better than GH3 in my opinion anyways.

One thing that may skew some inaccurate comparison is that the scroll speed in RB is slower so it makes all the songs seem "easier".

Oh and the Mississippi Queen cover is pretty bad, at least in my opinion. I thought the GH3 one was spot-on. That's ok though because I don't really like MQ all that much in GH3 so I don't plan on playing it much in RB.

Overall, I think GR should've compared Expert charts because it would better show the accuracy of the chart to the guitar in the song. And it would probably display how bad a lot of the overcompensation is on Guitar Hero 3.

[HMXJohnlok]

For what it's worth, Grace is telling me that the Rock Band versions of Paranoid and Cherub rock are both shown on hard. /shrug.

[sushi111]

The Reptilia notchart is awful, but the rest are great.

[ZkDotNet]

For what it's worth, Grace is telling me that the Rock Band versions of Paranoid and Cherub rock are both shown on hard. /shrug.
Turns out they were all on hard. Which is just a silly way to make a comparison about which is closest to the actual song.

[Metalteeth]

Agreed. This is like comparing race cars by driving them at 25 MPH and saying one handles better.

Well, that might work, if by race car we mean those god awful NASCAR vehicles.

[foolosophy]

I do wish the scrolling speed was faster though, it's deceiving. I'm sure there will be hyperspeed but I wish we wouldn't have to turn it on just to make it scroll faster. Actually if the Hard charts are as dumbed down as they look I might just play on Expert all the time (I planned on running through the first time on Hard just to unlock everything but I'm pretty confident I can do it on Expert now).

[Seroth]

well the folks over at gameradar are pretty stupid, how could they say that that rb expert =gh2 hard when they were playing rb on hard

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering...It makes the whole article seem really silly.

[Bakkster]

Well, that might work, if by race car we mean those god awful NASCAR vehicles.

Even open wheel. Saying Car A is better at 55MPH, thus Car A must beat Car B when they race at Laguna Seca is failed logic. Of course, race cars are made for high-speed conditions, so this is a failed comparison. The same with where Expert should be everything, and hard has no specific constraint, just that it is not as difficult as expert.

[Coldplayer]

Man, the notes look boring in Rockband... but I guess they look like GH hard on expert. And that's enough for me. I played GH almost only on hard, that's "real" enough.

But Rockband looks UNREAL on hard.

But as far as I remember in most of the songs in Guitar Hero, Expert wasn't much a difference from hard.

[ZkDotNet]

Looking at them again... it really seems like the bass is being played on Cherub Rock for RB. (The bass volume was way up, and cut off on missed notes.) Just me?

[BubbaC]

i never bothered with GH3. to much money for than AND RB. havent even played it once. so i'm not sure which songs there are covers (but will assume most of them on GH3)

that said..something no one mentioned...

covers differ slightly than originals. added notes, some missing notes and very slightly different tempos (<-- though no where near a difference that would matter in this case) etc.

[dlisapussy]

HMX's Reptilia chart just doesn't seem right. The rest are fine, but that one really seems dumbed down.

I'm gonna go look at the guitar tabs for it.


It's because there are notes being played in the song and Rockband's track didn't have every note. Which really boggles my mind. I wonder why they did that?

[admanimal]

It's because there are notes being played in the song and Rockband's track didn't have every note. Which really boggles my mind. I wonder why they did that?

Maybe because it's only hard and not expert?

[ZkDotNet]

It's because there are notes being played in the song and Rockband's track didn't have every note. Which really boggles my mind. I wonder why they did that?
Yea.. I posted that before I realized it was on hard, not expert. Their expert note chart was good. (I still think it was dumbed down a bit too much for hard.. that really looked like a medium chart to me.)

[dlisapussy]

Maybe because it's only hard and not expert?

My bad, I thought for sure it was hard but they ****ed me up with the

Guitar Hero III hard = Guitar Hero II expert
Rock Band expert = Guitar Hero II hard

*******s are making me look like *******s

[LongDarkBlues]

Because it's on Hard - that's how all the GH games have been on Hard - having about 4/5 of the notes. HMX has said it and I can't imagine otherwise that Expert will have all the notes.

Damn, I type slow...

[foolosophy]

Yeah but you have to admit that part of Reptilia was way less than accounted for. I mean the ratio was maybe 3:1 in how many notes there should've been and how many notes there were. Hard should still feel like your playing nearly each part of the song.

[tbradshaw]

Unless they changed the chart from this video to now, proof that Reptilia for RB was on hard:

Here is a video, both on expert.

Thanks for posting this. I also missed the notification in the article that it was hard vs. hard and thought that maybe the rumors were true. This great video cleared it right up.

I understand the GH3 Hard = GH2 Expert comment that they made, because I think that GH3 probably is charted at GH2 Expert. (It's just much easier to play because of the increased timing windows.)

But... where in the article did they back up the assertion about Rock Band Expert? (Which, I might add, looks great.) Gaming journalism is a pretty poorly done "profession" sometimes. It makes me appreciate the GameSpy guys more. At least they try.

[tmanrocks]

Cherub rock in RB looks like it SHOULD have looked in GH3... that chart makes way more sense

[tombrady]

they were playing on hard on both sides...that's why reptilia was that way. HMX doesn't just leave notes out on expert :P

[InsaneGame]

Blah the vid son gameradar wont load for me for some reason.

[Magnet]

Could those videos have been any more useless? Usually when you make claims in an article about difficulty and you want to back them up, the accompanying videos should be relevant.


Guitar Hero III hard = Guitar Hero II expert
Rock Band Expert = Guitar Hero II hard

The videos only back up the first statement. It's impossible to tell if the second statement is anywhere near true without relevant expert footage. Instead we're given songs on the easy side shown on Hard. And given songs like Foreplay/Long Time and Green Grass and High Tides with all the guitar notes charted, I sincerely doubt Expert is going to be like GHII Hard. It will probably be just like GHII Expert.

What the videos DID show is that GHIII has a MUCH smaller gap in between Hard and Expert than in previous games. Rock Band seems to me like it has a significantly bigger gap in between Hard and Expert if all the Hard videos look as easy as Reptilia compared to their Expert counterparts.

[dlisapussy]

The videos only back up the first statement. It's impossible to tell if the second statement is anywhere near true without relevant expert footage.


Honestly, I think it was a mistake.

[WingsOfSteel]

I've seen Green Grass & High Tides streamed by somebody who got the game early.

Rest assured, it is insane, and probably more difficult than any main setlist song from GH2.

[foolosophy]

Where did you pick up this stream? o_O