Why the Hate?

[xxpigxx]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

[Renrock]

Cuz Miley > Hannah

[Zeleii]

Both happen to be overproduced, over used, talentless, disney crap shoved down our throats.

If you cant play live you have no talent.

And dont use the "THEY CAN WRITE MUSIC" excuse... because they have professional song writers

[Skode]

They have no right to be in Rock Band or its respective forums, if they are then why not Busted, McFly and the TellyTubbies. The Janitors have everyone on edge with there appearence so you have to understand the lack of good will towards either of them which you mentioned and i shall not ;)

[Zidane]

Because they are proof that if you get the a bunch of nobodys with cute smiles and no musical talent, they can sell millions of albums. Don't stick up for them.

[DarkJ3JB]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

Hannah Montana, is FAKE! oh wait, did you not know.

[Zeleii]

They have no right to be in Rock Band or its respective forums, if they are then why not Busted, McFly and the TellyTubbies. The Janitors have everyone on edge with there appearence so you have to understand the lack of good will towards either of them which you mentioned and i shall not ;)
This young fellow just layed down what I like to call a









***** SLAP

[vedis]

Both happen to be overproduced, over used, talentless, disney crap shoved down our throats.

If you cant play live you have no talent.

And dont use the "THEY CAN WRITE MUSIC" excuse... because they have professional song writers

once again i state this

learn the facts before you post crap like this

miley does write her own music, she wrote most of her last album
and jonas do play live


i think most people just get it in their head that disney = bad
too much radio play = bad
kids like it = bad



they really have no valid reason to hate other then for the joy of hating cuz you gotta hate something, so why not hate on the groups that get more attention then those they personaly like

[matt9519]

It's music for teenie boppers and I doubt you'll find many of them here on the rock band forums.

[Agamon]

Same reason as why I dislike New Kids on the Block, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Spice Girls, etc. Not only is the style of music awful, but it's very obviously PR created and nurtured music.

Everyone's opinion is valid, by the way. I don't have a problem with anyone that likes DisneyPop.

[Ultimatum]

Source on Miley writing her own stuff?

AFAIK, she has only one song she wrote herself, which features incredibly juvenile lyrics.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .
Their target audience is the 5-11 range and they're Disney Channel bands.

[xxpigxx]

Both happen to be overproduced, over used, talentless, disney crap shoved down our throats.

If you cant play live you have no talent.

And dont use the "THEY CAN WRITE MUSIC" excuse... because they have professional song writers

RB songs = oveproduce . . . so RB sucks?

Overused . . . as in every other hit single in the world?

Talentless? I would like to see you get on stage and perform . . . and appeal to an audience. They can carry a tune and play an instrument. That is more talent than alot of people have

Disney crap? Warner crap. RCA crap. Universal crap . . . should I continue?

Shoved down our throats . . . again . . . like every other single ever produced?

I have seen both live (took my daughters) . . . I assure you . . . they play live . . . they do not lip sync.



You lose . . . next?

[vedis]

Source on Miley writing her own stuff?

AFAIK, she has only one song she wrote herself, which features incredibly juvenile lyrics.

look at the credits on all the songs off her breakout album, thats your proof
and yes, some of her lyrics are rather juvenile, but fact is fact, she writes her own stuff
shes actualy been quoted too saying being a singer isnt what she really wants to do, when all this ends, she actualy wants to just be a song writer(and yes i know way too much about her for my age, and i blame my daughter for that)

[shaybo]

I hate Miley Cyrus because she's prettier than me, and more popular.

[Touwe]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

bubble gum pop music that wasnt written by the people singing it... they might as well be playing rockband singing someone elses songs pretending to play an instrument.

[vedis]

RB songs = oveproduce . . . so RB sucks?

Overused . . . as in every other hit single in the world?

Talentless? I would like to see you get on stage and perform . . . and appeal to an audience. They can carry a tune and play an instrument. That is more talent than alot of people have

Disney crap? Warner crap. RCA crap. Universal crap . . . should I continue?

Shoved down our throats . . . again . . . like every other single ever produced?

I have seen both live (took my daughters) . . . I assure you . . . they play live . . . they do not lip sync.



You lose . . . next?

you sir, deserve a cookie, what we know, is fact, alot of people just go on the hype and what they wanna believe cuz they cant handle the truth, and we can probly blame our daughters for our knowledge lol

[xxpigxx]

They have no right to be in Rock Band or its respective forums . . .

And your reasoning?

They are pop rock

[vedis]

bubble gum pop music that wasnt written by the people singing it... they might as well be playing rockband singing someone elses songs pretending to play an instrument.

while this may be fact 90% of the time, there are those artists who do actualy do the "bubble gum pop" stuff who can write, and do write their own lyrics, but unfortunately after so many decades of most of them having it written for them, we assume ALL have it done for them

[Ultimatum]

The RB song point makes no sense.

The overused point is irrelevent, Zeleii does not listen to Pop.

It takes next to no ability to make a catchy song and keep it on time, I play music, I know this. All it takes is a pretty face and a good manager and you are a-shooing to be a Pop star. Take this from someone who knows and has been mentored by musicians with 30+ years of touring experience.

Yet again, major labels in general are usually pretty crappy.

Next point is irrelevent, as previously stated.

You lose... next?

[GNFfhqwhgads]

And your reasoning?
Crappy Disney bands with no talent.

They are pop rock
That doesn't make them good bands.

[Triple Xposed]

Both happen to be overproduced, over used, talentless, disney crap shoved down our throats.

If you cant play live you have no talent.

And dont use the "THEY CAN WRITE MUSIC" excuse... because they have professional song writers


I agree 100% with this statement.

Plus, do you want a New Kids on the Block pack? Or how about a Brittany Spears one... Or the Backstreet Boys, maybe N'Stink or 98 degrees as well?

All of that is nothing more than FADS. Just something to get kids to spend parents' money. And then when they get older, they'll never admit to liking that **** in the first place.

Plus, it's called Rock Band... Not Teenybopper Band.

Can I dare to mention if Harmonix puts that crap in Rock Band they're SELL-OUTS!

[Ultimatum]

look at the credits on all the songs off her breakout album, thats your proof
and yes, some of her lyrics are rather juvenile, but fact is fact, she writes her own stuff
shes actualy been quoted too saying being a singer isnt what she really wants to do, when all this ends, she actualy wants to just be a song writer(and yes i know way too much about her for my age, and i blame my daughter for that)

Yet again, until I see a credible source, I won't believe it.

I've seen far too many albums with numerous credit errors to trust what a Producer puts down on a little flap inside a piece of plastic.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Can I dare to mention if Harmonix puts that crap in Rock Band they're SELL-OUTS!
American Mall. Though MTV probably made them do that in return for making that big ass Rock Band ad in the movie.

[Ferocious Q]

no pounding double bass, fast guitar riffs, insane solos, or aggressive vocals.
Mostly because it's not heavy metal.
:D

[Skode]

And your reasoning?

They are pop rock

Thats the loosest definition ive ever seen of Rock in my life, you compare them to Duran Duran or Blondie for example :eek:

[Zeleii]

RB songs = oveproduce . . . so RB sucks?

Overused . . . as in every other hit single in the world?

Talentless? I would like to see you get on stage and perform . . . and appeal to an audience. They can carry a tune and play an instrument. That is more talent than alot of people have

Disney crap? Warner crap. RCA crap. Universal crap . . . should I continue?

Shoved down our throats . . . again . . . like every other single ever produced?

I have seen both live (took my daughters) . . . I assure you . . . they play live . . . they do not lip sync.



You lose . . . next?


Listen to classics over produced as in... studio magic listen to some Metallica you'll know them

Disney takes their money pays a label to accept their **** band.

And who's to say I like bands with huge hits? The deep cuts are where it's at but unfortunately for these groups they have singles and filller songs worth nothing.

Shoved down our throat as in advertised non stop, cant change a station without seeing it. I can't watch a WALMART commercial without it.

And I garun damn tee you I can play better than those talentless ****s. I can probably sing better too.

And ones again they get recognition from an audience because they're fanbase are mindless **** tards who know little to nothing about music

You lose

[xxpigxx]

bubble gum pop music that wasnt written by the people singing it... they might as well be playing rockband singing someone elses songs pretending to play an instrument.

Wrong . . . you lose!

Buh bye

[dastuffPS3]

Its self explanatory.

[Dalren]

Because they're not Rush.

That's going to be my answer to everything until I get my DLC...=/

Never heard them, hope I never do. I see no valid reason to hate them as people though...

[vedis]

Yet again, until I see a credible source, I won't believe it.

I've seen far too many albums with numerous credit errors to trust what a Producer puts down on a little flap inside a piece of plastic.

ok, so by that standard, every band out there has other people write their music, because the credits can never be proven as creidible for any.
metallica has their music written for them
fallout boy has their music written for them
boston had their music written for them

see where im going with this? if you say that the credits they give on stuff cant be trusted, then NO one can be trusted, no matter who they are.

[woicvandj]

They're talentless and stereotypical, there's absolutely nothing special. You'll understand when you're older, trust me, NO ONE over 30 likes either of those "bands."

[Zeleii]

Wrong . . . you lose!

Buh bye

And Pig you're so ****ing narrow minded anything not within your ranger of opinion is wrong.

I guess your sig is virtually meaningless

[trilidar]

Personally, I think it has to do with they're 'manufactured' music. Some marketing group figured out what sells to a specific demographic and then they've 'tailored' these acts to fit it.

Could you make the same arguements about The Beatles or Elvis or any other early 50s-60s rock and roll groups? Perhaps. However the big difference is those bands/groups went on to transcend their origins and re-write rock-and-roll music for generations. Their talent exceeded their novelty, which I just don't see with any modern 'manufactued' groups.

Honestly, do you think anyone listening to Miley or Jonas Bros or any of these other 'bands' right now is going to admit to it in another ten years? Or even five? I highly doubt it.

They're 'flash-in-the-pan' acts that are very quickly going to be mostly forgotten (like n'Sync, Vanilla Ice or the Backstreet Boys).
tril

[back_blows]

I don't harbour any hatred towards Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers, but I don't like their music. I find said musicians to have a slightly immature sound, lyrics, etc. and I also detest the sound of kids singing.

[Zeleii]

ok, so by that standard, every band out there has other people write their music, because the credits can never be proven as creidible for any.
metallica has their music written for them
fallout boy has their music written for them
boston had their music written for them

see where im going with this? if you say that the credits they give on stuff cant be trusted, then NO one can be trusted, no matter who they are.

Metallica did have their music written for them on St Anger

[xxpigxx]

Crappy Disney bands with no talent.

That doesn't make them good bands.



Learn to read. . . kthxbai

[vedis]

Personally, I think it has to do with they're 'manufactured' music. Some marketing group figured out what sells to a specific demographic and then they've 'tailored' these acts to fit it.

Could you make the same arguements about The Beatles or Elvis or any other early 50s-60s rock and roll groups? Perhaps. However the big difference is those bands/groups went on to transcend their origins and re-write rock-and-roll music for generations.

Honestly, do you think anyone listening to Miley or Jonas Bros or any other of thse 'bands' right now is going to admit to it in another ten years? Or even five? I highly doubt it.

tril


i admit to stuff that most wont..... and its the same stuff that people say it about now that they did many years ago
i listened to britney
i listened to backstreet
i listened to new kids
and i listen to miley
i dont listen to jonas brothers

[WhiffleBallTony]

It's fabricated, which is why I don't like it, but people do, and they don't care as much about music as most of the people here, so whatever. My kind of music will never be popular and I like it like that.

[Ultimatum]

ok, so by that standard, every band out there has other people write their music, because the credits can never be proven as creidible for any.
metallica has their music written for them
fallout boy has their music written for them
boston had their music written for them

see where im going with this? if you say that the credits they give on stuff cant be trusted, then NO one can be trusted, no matter who they are.

I generally won't care unless if they get contested. It is a general rule of thumb for Bubble Gum Pop to have songs written for the artists by professional writers.

And yes, Metallica had most of their early material written by Mustaine, he never received credits. I've learned this through a friend who played with a former Rhythm Guitarist of Megadeth.

I'm using deductive reasoning based on set standards to come to this conclusion. Until you carry out the burden of proof, I won't believe you.

[xxpigxx]

And Pig you're so ****ing narrow minded anything not within your ranger of opinion is wrong.

I guess your sig is virtually meaningless


So says the person who is hating on "No talent Disney crap"

[youngbloods]

Same reason as why I dislike New Kids on the Block, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Spice Girls, etc. Not only is the style of music awful, but it's very obviously PR created and nurtured music.

Everyone's opinion is valid, by the way. I don't have a problem with anyone that likes DisneyPop.

I actually think that Justin Timberlake is decent, not something I would listen to all of the time, but he writes his own stuff and has turned into a well rounded musician I think while stepping out of the overproduced nsync garbage

Even so, I wouldn't like to see him in Rock Band - unless they put in the Lostprophets cover of cry me a river

[Ultimatum]

The RB song point makes no sense.

The overused point is irrelevent, Zeleii does not listen to Pop.

It takes next to no ability to make a catchy song and keep it on time, I play music, I know this. All it takes is a pretty face and a good manager and you are a-shooing to be a Pop star. Take this from someone who knows and has been mentored by musicians with 30+ years of touring experience.

Yet again, major labels in general are usually pretty crappy.

Next point is irrelevent, as previously stated.

You lose... next?

Still waiting for a response.

[afterstasis]

Give me some good VALID reasons to care about Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

[Kobal2]

Same reason as why I dislike New Kids on the Block, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Spice Girls, etc. Not only is the style of music awful, but it's very obviously PR created and nurtured music.

Everyone's opinion is valid, by the way. I don't have a problem with anyone that likes DisneyPop.

Seconded. And add the Sex Pistols to that list :p.
I don't care enough about bands whose sound I don't like to hate them.

"Musicians" grown in vats by marketroids in the basement of some major, however, have very much to do with why the music business and its products have been such horrendous, cancer-ridden sacks of pus for the last 20 years, and their "clone soldiers" deserve every single deathwish dreamed nightly at them.

When the geniuses in the Biz stopped scouting for talent and decided to cut out the middleman was the start... And now you've got the result : endless stream of cookie-cutter, talentless, lip-synching hacks marketed up the wazoo. True for pop, rock, rap, country, metal, R&B, whatever your favorite genre is.

And they still think Internet downloads are the reason nobody buys this crap :/

[skullpit]

The people saying that they're talentless are either blinded by hatred for these kids or are really really dumb. It's pretty damn obvious that they are not talentless. I'd like to see anyone reading this thread out there performing.

Do I hate them? No. I don't know them. I have no reason to hate them. I'm jealous of their success and money if anything. They are definieely not my style of music.

[Skode]

Never heard them, hope I never do. I see no valid reason to hate them as people though...

Its there musis i despice, as for who they are one is a band of posterboys aimed at the pre-puberty market knowing in the era or reality shows that talent is not a requirement for success. The other a daughter of a so-so succesful country and western artist adored by those who seek to dance on a line in a cowboy hat and sings for disney.

The female of the 2 in question i actually LIKE as a person in fact, shes publically made it clear shes trying to get as far away from the image shes been laboured with as she can.....even she detests her image and what she stands for so why do people defend it

[Zeleii]

So says the person who is hating on "No talent Disney crap"



I like just about everything but Metalcore and Nu-Metal I can't stand the way the songs are produced. And Disney crap.

I have reasoning behing my disliking you just have

"YOU LOSE" LOLOLLOLOLOL!!!ONE!111!one
I JUST P00N3D THAT NUB"

[Maggot_Brain]

Everyone's opinion is valid, by the way. I don't have a problem with anyone that likes DisneyPop.

It needs to stay out of my Rock Band game!

[willpwn4f0od]

miley is a nut job.... multi personalitys :D

[Zeleii]

Still waiting for a response.

I actually do listen to some pop, Blondie... The Police, but these are meerly classic.

But it has to be pop "ROCK"

[Saltines]

This is a terrible thread, some of you people (and I do mean you people) are just jokes... Why try to defend a band against some random persons opinion? Don't force each others opinions down each others throats. The fact that some of you have children but can be as immature as I'm see in here worries me to be honest.

I do not like Hannah Montana, or The Jonas Brothers... why?

I do not like their musical style, how they sound, or their image.

I hope that fits what your looking for.

[back_blows]

It needs to stay out of my Rock Band game!

If its released as DLC, it can stay out of your game......(and mine).

[xxpigxx]

--The RB song point makes no sense.--

Overproduced = overpoduced Not that hard to comprehend


--The overused point is irrelevent, Zeleii does not listen to Pop.--

Not my problem. The point still stands.


--It takes next to no ability to make a catchy song and keep it on time, I play music, I know this. All it takes is a pretty face and a good manager and you are a-shooing to be a Pop star. Take this from someone who knows and has been mentored by musicians with 30+ years of touring experience.--

that is why everyone and their mothes has a band, right? That is why I have seen you live . . . right?


--Yet again, major labels in general are usually pretty crappy.--

That, I will agree on

Next point is irrelevent, as previously stated.

You lose... next?

[hmxsean]

I am going to go ahead here and add something to this conversation.

Right now is literally the best time in the history of music. And tomorrow will be even better.

This is patently true in every way.

Why? Because you have access to everything that came before today plus everything that is coming out right now.

Now do you have to like it? Nope. God knows there is tons of music I don't like. TONS of it. But I keep this objective view of things because there is also a lot of music out that I do listen to and love. Some music I love I used to hate due to preconceived notions that I had formed in my head. I always regret doing that because ultimately the only person I am letting down is myself.

Lastly I will make the point I always make when people freak out every time we put out DLC and take it as a personal affront to their taste - do you walk into your local record store and then kick over a rack of cd's because they are carrying Yanni? No. You don't. You go to the section you like, browse around, maybe hear some stuff over the speakers you want to listen to that you didn't know existed. Maybe buy something. Maybe don't.

There is room in this world for all sorts of music - good, bad, indifferent, pointless, meaningful, happy, sad, and ridiculous. At the end of the day you will still be able to have the music you like because it will always exist (no matter what blowhards are telling you you are wrong for listening to it).

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Because they're not Rush.

That's going to be my answer to everything until I get my DLC...=/
It's a damn good reason.

[xxpigxx]

I like just about everything but Metalcore and Nu-Metal I can't stand the way the songs are produced. And Disney crap.

I have reasoning behing my disliking you just have

"YOU LOSE" LOLOLLOLOLOL!!!ONE!111!one
I JUST P00N3D THAT NUB"



Did you bother to ask what my taste in music is?

I like most everything . . . I do not hate any one genre. There may be songs I dsilike . . . because they do not catch my ear . . . but I listen to everything, and give it all a fair shake.

Your reasoning is "that it is crap". That is not reasoning, That is a cop out

[Zeleii]

Did you bother to ask what my taste in music is?

I like most everything . . . I do not hate any one genre. There may be songs I dsilike . . . because they do not catch my ear . . . but I listen to everything, and give it all a fair shake.

Your reasoning is "that it is crap". That is not reasoning, That is a cop out
Apparently you enjoy to completely neglect previous posts... but then again I'm assuming your have a fap fest over Fall Out Boy?

[ftmsanchez]

I just don't like the music they make. Why does anyone hate any musical act?

[Maggot_Brain]

So says the person who is hating on "No talent Disney crap"

go play on a freeway

You, sir or madam, have brought a new level of maturity to these hallowed forums! Your talent is near Miley Jonas levels!

[Zeleii]

You, sir or madam, have brought a new level of maturity to these hallowed forums! Your talent is near Miley Jonas levels!
TBH I'm done with this ****... these two ****ty artists don't deserve my attention anymore

[Skode]

You, sir or madam, have brought a new level of maturity to these hallowed forums! Your talent is near Miley Jonas levels!

Quote of the month for making me laugh out so very very loud at this time of night :)

[Maggot_Brain]

If its released as DLC, it can stay out of your game......(and mine).

Yeah, but...... Fall Out Boy...... I'm still recovering....

[Ultimatum]

Overproduced = overpoduced Not that hard to comprehend

--The overused point is irrelevent, Zeleii does not listen to Pop.--

Not my problem. The point still stands.

that is why everyone and their mothes has a band, right? That is why I have seen you live . . . right?

Yet again, show me how RB has any correlation to music being overproduced, or how it has any relevancy in this argument.

The overused point is nonsensical because we both share a distaste for all that is overplayed on the radio. By using another overplayed song as a basis for your argument, you are just making it go around in circles.

Yet again, I said a pretty face and a good manager. If I had enough connections in the biz like Bill Ray Cyrus, I could probably make it big too. You need a good manager to make it, the skill of the individual musician(s) has little to no relevancy to success.

[xxpigxx]

Apparently you enjoy to completely neglect previous posts... but then again I'm assuming your have a fap fest over Fall Out Boy?

your hatred for music is quite scary

[xxpigxx]

You, sir or madam, have brought a new level of maturity to these hallowed forums! Your talent is near Miley Jonas levels!

Thx for contributing . . . just like Z.

Can't just answer the damn question . . .

[Stahlbrand]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

Translation: I feel like starting a flamewar in the wrong section of the forum

[skullpit]

Zeleii reminds me of myself when I was that age. I too was very closed minded about various types of music. Thank God I outgrew that. Maybe Zeleii will to.

[Desensitized]

Well, I don't hate them because I don't know them...

But, I don't like their music, because I don't find it good to my ears.

How's that?

[OroJack]

Just because you can play some notes on a guitar or "carry a tune" (face it both the Jonas Bros and Miley's vocal range is limited compared to others) does not mean that you are the gift of god from the music scene, it doesn't even make you popular. To be frank, their musicianship and song writing abilities are few to say the least.

What makes both of them popular is that Miley and The Jonas Bros are attractive teens who young girls want to be like and/or are attracted to and are made popular by their songs being played on Disney. (Don't forget that Miley was made famous by her show Hannah Montana and by association the Jonas Bros became popular)

They are popular now, however in some time they will be forgotten by the kids that make them popular will forget them, and the others will move on to something else.

And don't say that they have more talent than a lot of people who can't sing or play instruments, because thats just idiotic. Thats like saying a unknown starting linemen from an unknown college can be great in the NFL, just because he can block, tackle, and play football better than a lot of people. Thats just not the case as they are being compared to fellow people in their crafts not to the general population.

[Bosco32]

If its released as DLC, it can stay out of your game......(and mine).

Bingo! Is there anyone who writes hate messages to Apple because they sell material that "doesn't belong" in one's iPod? Sadly, after hanging around here for a few months, probably so. But most pass quietly without raising a stink.

Honestly, I have no use for either of these two acts, but they hold the same spot on my "No thank you" list as a lot of what gets overwhelmingly requested in Ultimate Setlist. But if it makes someone's RB experience more fun, great...bring it! Not buying it doesn't make mine less fun.

[Lockheed]

Those Artists were made for kids. If your not in the target audience it's probably not meant for you, that's why they don't like it.

Why put down things you don't like? It's like going to Antarctica and nagging about the cold.

[Zeleii]

Zeleii reminds me of myself when I was that age. I too was very closed minded about various types of music. Thank God I outgrew that. Maybe Zeleii will to.

Umm... I only dislike/hate music that was manufactured to make money... if you're gonna get signed at least get noticed and not be thrown at a label like Miley or The Jonas Brothers.

Once again... Disney stuff is about the only thing I cant stand along with modern rap/hip-hop.

Metalcore? I just can't tolerate the vocals
Nu-Metal I dont like how they go about the sounds
Disney artists? I just dont like them period... Disney has little to no integrity and same with their artists.

[xxpigxx]

Yet again, show me how RB has any correlation to music being overproduced, or how it has any relevancy in this argument.

The overused point is nonsensical because we both share a distaste for all that is overplayed on the radio. By using another overplayed song as a basis for your argument, you are just making it go around in circles.

Yet again, I said a pretty face and a good manager. If I had enough connections in the biz like Bill Ray Cyrus, I could probably make it big too. You need a good manager to make it, the skill of the individual musician(s) has little to no relevancy to success.

RB is overproduced with the bringing out of each track to make it more audible

So you hate mainstream stuff . . . that is a whole other can of worms. By using that argument, it bought out both of your colors. Both of you are music elitists.

I beg to differ. I have two fiends in two different bands that have had success across several states . . . and are being looked at by a major. They have no manager.

[Ferocious Q]

posted by dalren

Because they're not Rush.

That's going to be my answer to everything until I get my DLC...=/


... i lol'd :D

my excuse exactly :)

[Nokterne]

I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why "Disney" Pop sucks. If you can't figure out why on your own, I consider you a lost cause.

[woicvandj]

I'll also explain why I HATE when **** like The Janitors comes out.... There are plenty deserving, very talented bands that most people didn't even hear of, we'll never see them in rb, but make room for this garbage?.... Adding more boring, talentless, 1 riff, simple beat pop b4 the many many many many creative, original metal bands is just more insult just as all this metalcore is. I'm sure the reason we still don't have black or any real death (rofl abnormality) is b/c "it sounds like ****, listen to the horrible vocalist, hurry and put the jonas brothers back on! Aaaaahhhh, much better... nice, pretty voice..." ROFL.

HMX, why do the metalcore bands now outnumber the extreme metal bands??????

[Maggot_Brain]

I beg to differ. I have two fiends in two different bands that have had success across several states . . . and are being looked at by a major. They have no manager.

I have a couple of ghouls in different bands and I'm a vampire lead guitarist. So what?

:D

[theguywitdaface]

Ok, i never listened to this stuff when i was younger. I actually listened to AC/DC, Zep, Deep Purple, and Megadeth and went to a AC/DC concert when I was 7 :). My opinion, don't hate 'em. And, they would probably sell better than The Pixies.

[Nokterne]

RB is overproduced with the bringing out of each track to make it more audible

So you hate mainstream stuff . . . that is a whole other can of worms. By using that argument, it bought out both of your colors. Both of you are music elitists.

I beg to differ. I have two fiends in two different bands that have had success across several states . . . and are being looked at by a major. They have no manager. What HMX does in RB is more for the reason of game functionality. People like to hear they instrument they are playing, both in this game and in real life.

I don't hate mainstream stuff because it's mainstream, its just that ALL of it is bad right now...

[Ultimatum]

RB is overproduced with the bringing out of each track to make it more audible

So you hate mainstream stuff . . . that is a whole other can of worms. By using that argument, it bought out both of your colors. Both of you are music elitists.

I beg to differ. I have two fiends in two different bands that have had success across several states . . . and are being looked at by a major. They have no manager.

1. Overproduction often refers to the copious use of production techniques to clean up a musician's sound. This could mean piling on numerous effects or just drastically cleaning up the sound.

There is a difference between making tracks more audible and cleaning up sounds.

2. I have my reasons for disliking mainstream, most of it is for the reasons I stated in my last post.

3. That is nowhere near the level of success you have been trying to defend, getting looked at and getting signed and making Gold and/or Platinum records is a totally different thing.

Clutch is band that has nationwide attention, but is nowhere near the level of success Pop bands have. They play their own style and probably got to that level on playing abilities alone or a mixture of management and playing abilities.

[Skode]

I dont like young artist who get it so easy in the music industry, i see tints of similarities with other succesful young artists like Britney Spears and Micheal Jackson and look how they turned out.

They are retained in a public image and bubble as such, ive already said the young lass is rebelling against it and wants to leave the Montana assosiations behind and good for her....such manufactured pop is horrible as theres no outlet for them to be creative or to express themselves. That is not a good thing in my book and shouldnt be overly encouraged by those of an age to know better

[xxpigxx]

Just because you can play some notes on a guitar or "carry a tune" (face it both the Jonas Bros and Miley's vocal range is limited compared to others) does not mean that you are the gift of god from the music scene, it doesn't even make you popular. To be frank, their musicianship and song writing abilities are few to say the least.

Cobain had less of a vocal range than JB . . . and their lyrics were just as shallow . . .




What makes both of them popular is that Miley and The Jonas Bros are attractive teens who young girls want to be like and/or are attracted to and are made popular by their songs being played on Disney. (Don't forget that Miley was made famous by her show Hannah Montana and by association the Jonas Bros became popular)

So? People get popular different ways . . .


They are popular now, however in some time they will be forgotten by the kids that make them popular will forget them, and the others will move on to something else.

That is what people say about anything popular.


And don't say that they have more talent than a lot of people who can't sing or play instruments, because thats just idiotic. Thats like saying a unknown starting linemen from an unknown college can be great in the NFL, just because he can block, tackle, and play football better than a lot of people. Thats just not the case as they are being compared to fellow people in their crafts not to the general population.

Not as idiotic as saying they have no talent

[xxpigxx]

Umm... I only dislike/hate music that was manufactured to make money... .

So you want all artists to be poor?

lol

[Colt_Steele]

Why do I have to validate my reasons for a musical non-preference? Everybody else here gets to slap their opinions in people's faces with no valid reasoning or evidence to support them. It's great that your family enjoys it. I am not family-oriented musically, and pop doesn't appeal to me. If that isn't "valid" enough for you I can direct you to my public relations associate (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/SIGN/94552~Complaint-Department-Posters.jpg).

[vedis]

see, as usual, no one in here can give any real valid reason to why any type of music sucks. it has nothing to do with them being disney, it has nothing to do with them being pop, its all musical taste, or narrow mindedness.

but what gets me, is how people hate on them for it, but then get totaly offended when someone will hate on their music.
or if its not a group you liek, they must have no talent.

as far as this subject goes, no one ever denied they do get more attention because "they are pretty teens with good pr" but lets face it, good pr goes a long way no matter who you are. and time will tell if they have what it takes to stay in the music world, thats the true test.
as newer artists(1-2 years only now) they really dont have time behind them to prove anything. now in lets say, 5 or so more years, if these artists are still topping the charts, will everyone say they are sucking still? after all, disney can only take them so far, they will have to go out on their own eventualy.


but fact is, people are still hating for no valid reason.

[xxpigxx]

I have a couple of ghouls in different bands and I'm a vampire lead guitarist. So what?

:D


lol

My R key is being screwy . . . soory

:p

[TKS]

maybe we just don't like their music at least that's my reason.

the little kids going absolutely crazy over for them for no reason doesn't help too much either either.

i don't hate all "bubblegum pop crap" as others will call it. i love anything sung by emily osment, miranda cosgrove , annasophia robb. and jennette mccurdy is working on a cd and i haven't heard her sing but i like everything else about her so i'm thinking i'll like her singing. though i do have big crushes on all of the ones i said i like so that actually is the main reason i listen to thier music.i'm a huge icarly fan especially

[xxpigxx]

see, as usual, no one in here can give any real valid reason to why any type of music sucks. it has nothing to do with them being disney, it has nothing to do with them being pop, its all musical taste, or narrow mindedness.

but what gets me, is how people hate on them for it, but then get totaly offended when someone will hate on their music.
or if its not a group you liek, they must have no talent.

as far as this subject goes, no one ever denied they do get more attention because "they are pretty teens with good pr" but lets face it, good pr goes a long way no matter who you are. and time will tell if they have what it takes to stay in the music world, thats the true test.
as newer artists(1-2 years only now) they really dont have time behind them to prove anything. now in lets say, 5 or so more years, if these artists are still topping the charts, will everyone say they are sucking still? after all, disney can only take them so far, they will have to go out on their own eventualy.


but fact is, people are still hating for no valid reason.


Thank you . . . my point is proven. You can lock this thing down now.

I'm out

[OroJack]

Both of you are music elitists.

Thats the biggest cop-out of all

Everyone, let me repeat EVERYONE is a music elitist at heart, maybe some more than others but still the point stands.

Every single person has music they like and music they dislike and saying that people are music elitist because they don't like those two particular artists or that one genre is stupid.

Do you like Death Metal, Pop-rock, Rap and Hip-Hop, Soft Rock, Country, and every other sub-genre and band to ever exist? If you don't than you are a music elitist to those people that like that artist or genre.

[Colt_Steele]

Thank you . . . my point is proven. You can lock this thing down now.

I'm out
Could have just said all that stuff in your original post, then bailed. What a waste.

[Skode]

This thread has 3 factions it seems.....those who are mature and those who are not. The third being those who are on some moral high horse judging others like they know better

[Maggot_Brain]

And yet, 40 years later, the Monkees are groovy, man.

[Zeleii]

So you want all artists to be poor?

lol

Music should be made because the artist wants to express emotion through it.

Disney artists make music to make money.

Take Rush for example... Neil Peart he hates attention and he has stated when he, Geddy and Alex all write their music they will seclude themselves up in northern Ontario.

Neil Peart also said if he wasn't getting paid to make his music he wouldn't care he just wants to write and play music. You know Limelight? Neil wrote that to express the way he felt about breaking through, he put all his feeling in it.

The above chances are none of that comes even close to the reason Disney bands write music.

[vedis]

maybe we just don't like their music at least that's my reason.

the little kids going absolutely crazy over for them for no reason doesn't help too much either either.

i don't hate all "bubblegum pop crap" as others will call it. i love anything sung by emily osment, miranda cosgrove , annasophia robb. and jennette mccurdy is working on a cd and i haven't heard her sing but i like everything else about her so i'm thinking i'll like her singing. though i do have big crushes on all of the ones i said i like so that actually is the main reason i listen to thier music.i'm a huge icarly fan especially

i personaly think emily osment cant sing lol, i was mortified when i heard her first single
and i do hope your under 18 having crushed on them lol

[ThadJarvis64]

Hannah Montana-Sk@nk
Jonas Brothers-F@&$

[OroJack]

Cobain had less of a vocal range than JB . . . and their lyrics were just as shallow . . .

Really? Really?

Did you just compare a band that sold millions upon millions of albums, that changed music forever by displacing the Micheal Jackson Pop of the 80's, and that has touched MILLIONS of peoples hearts around the world to the Jonas Bros? Who have sold what 200,000 albums?

And lyrics or no lyrics, Cobain's Musicianship is arguably the best since the Beatles, and vocal power is goes WAY beyond the Jonas Bros to any UNBIASED listener.

REALLY?

[vedis]

Hannah Montana-Sk@nk
Jonas Brothers-F@&$

these are the kind of remarks that make it so that people who hate on music have no merit. they add NOTHING to the conversation and make the poster look like a complete moron and douche

[ThadJarvis64]

i hate teen pop though they need to die for corn harvest it will be good a corn harvest

[Skode]

these are the kind of remarks that make it so that people who hate on music have no merit. they add NOTHING to the conversation and make the poster look like a complete moron and douche

Im inclined to agree, theres some who are only flamming for the sake of flamming. Debate is a wonderful thing - to share your views with the aim to perhaps sway others into your line of thought with interesting points of view....sadly some here cant grasp the concept and that goes for some on both sides of this argument it seems.

[back_blows]

i hate teen pop though they need to die for corn harvest it will be good a corn harvest

It was a really bad harvest. I think we can make that up with plenty of sacrifices.

[vedis]

Im inclined to agree, theres some who are only flamming for the sake of flamming. Debate is a wonderful thing - to share your views with the aim to perhaps sway others into your line of thought with interesting points of view....sadly some here cant grasp the concept and that goes for some on both sides of this argument it seems.

yeah, and also, one thing i also wanna point out

the jonas brothers, for being these so called talentless hacks everyones claiming
they PLAY their own instruments.
how often have we ever seen that in these kind of groups? i personaly cant think of a single one. if anything, they at least deserve credit for that

[Dalren]

Music should be made because the artist wants to express emotion through it.

Disney artists make music to make money.

Take Rush for example... Neil Peart he hates attention and he has stated when he, Geddy and Alex all write their music they will seclude themselves up in northern Ontario.

Neil Peart also said if he wasn't getting paid to make his music he wouldn't care he just wants to write and play music. You know Limelight? Neil wrote that to express the way he felt about breaking through, he put all his feeling in it.

The above chances are none of that comes even close to the reason Disney bands write music.
I don't really see that as more noble or correct.

Money makes the world go round. Without money, you can't enjoy life. It's that simple really.

[vedis]

I don't really see that as more noble or correct.

Money makes the world go round. Without money, you can't enjoy life. It's that simple really.

yeah, you can never hate on a band for making money, everyone needs to do it, but you can hate on those who go overboard for greed(this is rare but there are a few out there, im talkin bout you metallica!)

[TKS]

i personaly think emily osment cant sing lol, i was mortified when i heard her first single
and i do hope your under 18 having crushed on them lol

i'm 14 , every one of the girls i listed are older than me.

emily osment has said herself she hates miley and jonas brothers music (she's like most of the people on here she hates the "bubblegum pop crap" ) and she also hates disney cause they control what she can do , making her not be able to do many tv shows/movies that she wants to pursue. and she has said she likes indie rock and she listed several bands but i can't find all of them right now the only thing i can find about her music taste right now is this (http://www.emilyosment.us/emily411.php)
(it's towards the bottom ). she is also making a new cd with most songs written by her and it will be indie rock and is going to be completely different than all the crap produced by most disney people and will not even be associated with the record that produces the other disney stuff. my only source that part is her wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_osment)

[Maggot_Brain]

Really? Really?

Did you just compare a band that sold millions upon millions of albums, that changed music forever by displacing the Micheal Jackson Pop of the 80's, and that has touched MILLIONS of peoples hearts around the world to the Jonas Bros? Who have sold what 200,000 albums?

And lyrics or no lyrics, Cobain's Musicianship is arguably the best since the Beatles, and vocal power is goes WAY beyond the Jonas Bros to any UNBIASED listener.

REALLY?

Dude, let it go. I suspect you're trying to reason with a 10 year old.

[likun]

I don't get why people need to validate the reason they like or don't like some kind of music. If you like it then listen to it and don't try and force others to like it and if you don't like it don't listen to it and complain about it to people who do like it. just continue on living your life with out worrying about who likes what you'll be happier

[vedis]

i'm 14 , every one of the girls i listed are older.

emily osment has said herself she hates miley and jonas brothers music (she's like most of the people on here she hates the "bubblegum pop crap" ) and she also hates disney cause they control what she can do , making her not be able to do many tv shows/movies that she wants to pursue. and she has said she likes indie rock and she listed several bands but i can't find all of them right now the only thing i can find about her music taste right now is this (http://www.emilyosment.us/emily411.php)
(it's towards the bottom ). she is also making a new cd with most songs written by her and it will be indie rock and is going to be completely different than all the crap produced by most disney people and will not even be associated with the record that produces the other disney stuff. my only source that part is her wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_osment)

thats interesting, ill have to check it out when/if it ever gets released
but it isnt disney whos like this alone, alot of labels do this, its called a "contract" and alot of people dont read as much into them as they should beforehand(which may have happened in her case). but in the end, she still wont be able to deny that disney helped get her career off the ground.
but i still dont like her current stuff, for being so against some of the pop stuff, she sure did sound like it.

[Maggot_Brain]

Dayum!

Music: Serious Business!

[vedis]

No, moron.

WARNING TO ALL YOU INSECURE LOSERS WHO CAN'T TAKE CRITICISM, I'M ABOUT TO SOUND LIKE A "CONDESCENDING JERKWAD":

FACT #1: Adults are smarter than kids.
FACT #2: The average age of the fans of these ****ty bands is no more than 11 and that's probably generous.

Get it? Okay, then I'll spell it out for you:

THE MUSIC IS STUPID AND ONLY A SLOW ADULT WOULD LIKE IT.

YOU lose. No more "nexts."



you realize your talking to an adult? im not one of these little kids who likes stuff for no reason right? and your maturity levl is obvious from your post

[AlliterationAmy]

"Is this the real life?"

[holyconfessor]

yeah, and also, one thing i also wanna point out

the jonas brothers, for being these so called talentless hacks everyones claiming
they PLAY their own instruments.
how often have we ever seen that in these kind of groups? i personaly cant think of a single one. if anything, they at least deserve credit for that

I don't want to fan the flames or anything but the jonas brothers have a huge backing band. Most of the songs that i've seen them play are the rhythm parts, as in the power chords which I learned in under an hour. Not saying they are talentless but they certainly don't play anything interesting in their songs.

That said, I don't like their music but I do respect them as people, both them and Miley.

[ExpertDrummer]

They have no right to be in Rock Band or its respective forums, if they are then why not Busted, McFly and the TellyTubbies. The Janitors have everyone on edge with there appearence so you have to understand the lack of good will towards either of them which you mentioned and i shall not ;)

:eek:...OWNED....:D

[AlliterationAmy]

I don't want to fan the flames or anything but the jonas brothers have a huge backing band. Most of the songs that i've seen them play are the rhythm parts, as in the power chords which I learned in under an hour. Not saying they are talentless but they certainly don't play anything interesting in their songs.

That said, I don't like their music but I do respect them as people, both them and Miley.
You ruined my combo.

[OroJack]

Dude, let it go. I suspect you're trying to reason with a 10 year old.

He it me where it hurt, dude, he hit me where it hurt

:( *walks away slowly to the sad Hulk theme*

[back_blows]

Helpmyspacebarisn'tworking.

[vedis]

I don't want to fan the flames or anything but the jonas brothers have a huge backing band. Most of the songs that i've seen them play are the rhythm parts, as in the power chords which I learned in under an hour. Not saying they are talentless but they certainly don't play anything interesting in their songs.

That said, I don't like their music but I do respect them as people, both them and Miley.

see, this is a prime example of a good "im against them" comment. totaly mature and uses facts instead of "they suck, i hate them, bla bla bla"

you sir, win a cookie

[holyconfessor]

see, this is a prime example of a good "im against them" comment. totaly mature and uses facts instead of "they suck, i hate them, bla bla bla"

you sir, win a cookie

Thank you lol. Music is all subjective. I don't put my 7 year old cousin down because she likes the Jonas Brothers.

I'm just happy she is really into music and actually got my uncle to buy her a keyboard which I'm teaching her to play now :). And I AM teaching her to play some of the Jonas Brothers' songs because she likes them while also broadening her musical tastes with some of the music I like which she enjoys now as well.

[Maggot_Brain]

People are stupid.

You got a mirror handy? :p

[woicvandj]

Thank you lol. Music is all subjective. I don't put my 7 year old cousin down because she likes the Jonas Brothers.

I'm just happy she is really into music and actually got my uncle to buy her a keyboard which I'm teaching her to play now :). And I AM teaching her to play some of the Jonas Brothers' songs because she likes them while also broadening her musical tastes with some of the music I like which she enjoys now as well.

You don't pull her down b/c she's 7 and is supposed to like stupid bs, that doesn't make it NOT stupid bs. She'll grow out of it like ALL HM's fans will.

If it was your 40 year old cousin you might not say so out loud but I'm sure you'd be wondering about her to yourself. Any 40 year old fan of Hannah Montana has something wrong with it.

[woicvandj]

You got a mirror handy? :p

I got one but I couldn't see my intelligence in it.........:(

[back_blows]

May I point out that I have a friend who is turning 31 but happens to like Miley Cyrus.

[vedis]

You don't pull her down b/c she's 7 and is supposed to like stupid bs, that doesn't make it NOT stupid bs. She'll grow out of it like ALL HM's fans will.

If it was your 40 year old cousin you might not say so out loud but I'm sure you'd be wondering about her to yourself. Any 40 year old fan of Hannah Montana has something wrong with it.

you may feel that way, but it may not be the case
my 5 year old loves miley cyrus, if I didnt like the music, id try to discourage her from it, but I do myself like it to, so i dont mind her going nuts with it. now i wont deny that i also try to get her into stuff like rush(i took her to a concert, she LOVED it too)

but just cuz someone is older doesnt mean they cant like certain music thats geared towards a younger crowd

[Skode]

I got one but I couldn't see my intelligence in it.........:(

That does not surprise me somehow :cool:

[ffwarrior47]

Here is my reason(s):

Actually, the Jonas Brothers aren't absolutely horrible, unlike some other bands (Tokio Hotel) but, they also are not what I, or any of my friends (well my girlfriend likes them) listen to. I just feel as if Disney (and pretty much everyone else who likes them) tries to shove them down your throat. I've had my Girlfriend call me a close-minded ***-hole just because i've said on occasion that the Jonas Brothers suck because, frankly, i just do not like them.

The reason? I just feel like they were walking down the street one day when a guy just said "Hey you three are good-looking kids! Would you like to make millions of dollars just to act as if you have talent and lip-sync your way through concerts as we market you to 10-15 year-old girls?" Of course they said yes, who wouldn't?

As for Miley Cyrus, i just feel that her dad is trying to re-live some twisted memory of being in the public eye, but through her...

All-in-all, i just can't wait until they become trainwrecks when Disney drops them and moves on to something else.

[Desensitized]

Oh, and to those defending that horrible ripoff Nirvana, they obviously DON'T EVEN TRY to write music. Lyrics are proof and there's no arguing, I think I'll make a special thread just for you.

An albino... a mosquito... a libido... mumble mumble mumble.....

/riff they stole

/more nonsense

/repeat "a denial" 9 times b4 the POS ends


It's a hit! People are stupid.You don't give up, do you?

What's this, the third or fourth time?

[woicvandj]

I don't see how anyone could be so openminded to not see it. She's in a kid's show. Haven't you ever seen kids shows? They're juvenile. Think of all the skill it must take to write one of those shows. The last time I watched a kids' show I guessed almost EVERYTHING that happened. They're supposed to be simple and stupid.

Children's books? Same thing, a line per page and a pretty picture. When you're young and just learning you need that, when you're an adult hopefully you'll grow out of it and upgrade to novels... and upgrade from bs like Hannah Montana to real music.

[afterstasis]

i nominate this thread for biggest embarrassment of the week.

[woicvandj]

May I point out that I have a friend who is turning 31 but happens to like Miley Cyrus.

I seriously had to fight back a fit of laughter to avoid waking anyone up!

[woicvandj]

i nominate this thread for biggest embarrassment of the week.

I nominate it for biggest source of lulz since I tried to get people going about the madcatz bass yesterday but only ended up getting INTERNET SERIOUS PEOPLE.

[holyconfessor]

Sure if it was my 40 year old cousin liking the Jonas Brothers I would think something was a bit off with her BUT it would still be her prerogative not mine. I can't convince her not to like the Jonas Brothers or Hannah Montana even if I wanted to.

Some people bash on one of my favorite bands, Paramore, all the time. Do I care what they think? No. To me, it sounds good. I've seen people 40 and over who like Paramore even if the members of the band are all under 24.

But, you seem to think that Hannah Montana or the Jonas Brothers will always be under the Disney label. If they are always under the Disney label and aren't allowed to expand their musical range and abilities then I feel sorry for them. However, if Disney allows them to grow musically, I suppose their fans will grow with them, if you get what i'm saying. You never know, the jonas Brothers or Miley could maybe come out with a song you may like. I'm not saying you will but sometimes you can't explain why you like a band/song.

[GenJonhForreal]

possibly THEY SUCK!

[woicvandj]

Sure if it was my 40 year old cousin liking the Jonas Brothers I would think something was a bit off with her BUT it would still be her prerogative not mine. I can't convince her not to like the Jonas Brothers or Hannah Montana even if I wanted to.

Some people bash on one of my favorite bands, Paramore, all the time. Do I care what they think? No. To me, it sounds good. I've seen people 40 and over who like Paramore even if the members of the band are all under 24.

But, you seem to think that Hannah Montana or the Jonas Brothers will always be under the Disney label. If they are always under the Disney label and aren't allowed to expand their musical range and abilities then I feel sorry for them. However, if Disney allows them to grow musically, I suppose their fans will grow with them, if you get what i'm saying. You never know, the jonas Brothers or Miley could maybe come out with a song you may like. I'm not saying you will but sometimes you can't explain why you like a band/song.

I actually like some **** just BECAUSE it's stupid but HM is the wrong kind of stupid.

[GenJonhForreal]

what why do people who grew up with zeppelin like some of the current bands, makes me sad

[back_blows]

I seriously had to fight back a fit of laughter to avoid waking anyone up!

To his credit he listens to a variety of music including Reggae, Country, Classical, Ska, Pop, Metal, Hip Hop, R&B, Soul, New Wave, Punk, etc.

[benson111]

I personally have nothing against them. That being said, thay are in my opinion, just pop drivil. This reminds me of the 80's, with all the manufactured pop that was floating around then.
Truth; They are marketed to the younger set.
Truth; For the most part, there music is ment to catch the younger mind.
But does that make them bad?
For the most part, no. but the fact that they are cashing in, is because they are young. Trust me there are worse acts out there. (Heres lookin at you Post Polka Grunge).
That being said. this thread should go away now because all it is doing is insighting personal attacks and dredging out the flamers.

/thread. oh and for the record, so what if they come to rock band .....it will be in DLC form and you will not be forced at gun point to Download it.

[Skode]

I don't see how anyone could be so openminded to not see it. She's in a kid's show. Haven't you ever seen kids shows? They're juvenile. Think of all the skill it must take to write one of those shows. The last time I watched a kids' show I guessed almost EVERYTHING that happened. They're supposed to be simple and stupid.

Children's books? Same thing, a line per page and a pretty picture. When you're young and just learning you need that, when you're an adult hopefully you'll grow out of it and upgrade to novels... and upgrade from bs like Hannah Montana to real music.

Cant stand her music myself dont get me wrong but are you gonna add anything constructive here in this thread or quote and attack everyone elses responses that differ from your own.

[Der_Lex]

I nominate it for biggest source of lulz since I tried to get people going about the madcatz bass yesterday but only ended up getting INTERNET SERIOUS PEOPLE.

Self-confessed troll, then. Duly noted.

[holyconfessor]

I don't see how anyone could be so openminded to not see it. She's in a kid's show. Haven't you ever seen kids shows? They're juvenile. Think of all the skill it must take to write one of those shows. The last time I watched a kids' show I guessed almost EVERYTHING that happened. They're supposed to be simple and stupid.

Children's books? Same thing, a line per page and a pretty picture. When you're young and just learning you need that, when you're an adult hopefully you'll grow out of it and upgrade to novels... and upgrade from bs like Hannah Montana to real music.

I don't think you understand something here though. To many people, including people who are over 20, HM/JB IS real music. It just may not be music that you like, heck i don't like it, but I will admit that it is real music.

[vedis]

I don't think you understand something here though. To many people, including people who are over 20, HM/JB IS real music. It just may not be music that you like, heck i don't like it, but I will admit that it is real music.

you get a cookie too for the respectful comment :)

[MissMoongoddess]

Everyone's here reason for not liking whatever music/band/song here is VALID because they are their own personal opinion and there is no correct answer in an opinion.

I like everything from Britney Spears, Beethoven, Metallica, Suicidal Tendencies, Sublime, No Doubt, Megadeth, Led Zeppelin, N'Sync, The Misfits, Helmut, etc but get this... DESPISE Hootie and the Blowfish and (get ready for a great many people to look dumbfounded) The Rolling Stones. I don't like fthem for many reasons and they are all JUSTIFIABLE and VALID because it's my opinion. (Although for a short while Rock Band actually made me change my mind on The Stones because the song on there made learning drums fun... and then I had to sing it and wanted to smash the game in :p

Some people made be a bit more vocal about their opinion but that doesn't make their reasons any less valid.

My two cents :)

[andrewyamo]

Maybe because The Jonas Brother song I hear sounds just like The Milley Cyrus song I heard last week.

[AlliterationAmy]

Wow, really? No one? I thought it was pretty obvious.

..


Alright, I'll elaborate for you slowpokes.
.....



The Jonas Brothers........ ARE Miley Cyrus!!!!


DUN DUN DUNNNNN

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Because they are proof that if you get the a bunch of nobodys with cute smiles and no musical talent, they can sell millions of albums. Don't stick up for them.

"simply this and nothing more..."

[ffwarrior47]

Wow, really? No one? I thought it was pretty obvious.

..


Alright, I'll elaborate for you slowpokes.
.....



The Jonas Brothers........ ARE Miley Cyrus!!!!


DUN DUN DUNNNNN


omg... it all makes sense now...

[woicvandj]

Self-confessed troll, then. Duly noted.

Just b/c I have some fun doesn't mean I don't believe in what I post. I just like to make it much "spicier" than I would IRL b/c this is after all just a forum so why not add a little extra to get possible kicks out of responses? I'm bored.

[ELDUDEARINO69]

Backstreet's Back ALRIGHT!!!

Err...

I mean...

Uhh...

Yeah...

Backstreet Boys FTW

[vedis]

Backstreet's Back ALRIGHT!!!

Err...

I mean...

Uhh...

Yeah...

Backstreet Boys FTW

EVERYBODY
yeaaaaah
ROCK YOUR BODY
yeaaaaah

[ffwarrior47]

Backstreet's Back ALRIGHT!!!

Err...

I mean...

Uhh...

Yeah...

Backstreet Boys FTW

dammit how dare you get that song stuck in my head!?! :D

yeahhhhh, yeahhhhhahhh... lol

[Skode]

"simply this and nothing more..."

Her old man was a talent - well a succesfull artist if you will. I wonder is she'll end up doing a kelly osbourne and doing a duet with her old man when her career takes a nose dive (as they always do or otherwise end up like Micheal Jackson/Britney Spears and they go all loopy).

Lets face it there careers WILL nosedives as they will get older and tire of there music as she already IS and there audience will too age, mature and develop different tastes in music as they get broader influences and the music scene in general does. She more than that trio of boys with no hope has a chance if she can change her style freely as the likes of David Bowie and Madonna did as shes does have the talent, just at the moment not a very good starting base (whos gonna take some ex-disney poster girl seriously. Christina had to revert to wearing next to nowt to win the mature adults appeal as women liked her indepenance and men wanted to well you know what with her, and britney whos whole virgin image cracked spectacuarly)

[ffwarrior47]

Her old man was a talent - well a succesfull artist if you will. I wonder is she'll end up doing a kelly osbourne and doing a duet with her old man when her career takes a nose dive (as they always do or otherwise end up like Micheal Jackson/Britney Spears and they go all loopy).

Lets face it there careers WILL nosedives as they will get older and tire of there music as she already IS and there audience will too age, mature and develop different tastes in music as they get broader influences and the music scene in general does. She more than that trio of boys with no hope has a chance if she can change her style freely as the likes of David Bowie and Madonna did as shes does have the talent, just at the moment not a very good starting base (whos gonna take some ex-disney poster girl seriously. Christina had to revert to wearing next to nowt to win the mature adults appeal as women liked her indepenance and men wanted to well you know what with her, and britney whos whole virgin image cracked spectacuarly)

been there, done that

[vedis]

Her old man was a talent - well a succesfull artist if you will. I wonder is she'll end up doing a kelly osbourne and doing a duet with her old man when her career takes a nose dive (as they always do or otherwise end up like Micheal Jackson/Britney Spears and they go all loopy).

Lets face it there careers WILL nosedives as they will get older and tire of there music as she already IS and there audience will too age, mature and develop different tastes in music as they get broader influences and the music scene in general does. She more than that trio of boys with no hope has a chance if she can change her style freely as the likes of David Bowie and Madonna did as shes does have the talent, just at the moment not a very good starting base (whos gonna take some ex-disney poster girl seriously. Christina had to revert to wearing next to nowt to win the mature adults appeal as women liked her indepenance and men wanted to well you know what with her, and britney whos whole virgin image cracked spectacuarly)

wow, you havent done your homework, shes done at least 1, i think maybe 2 duets with her dad already?

[Skode]

been there, done that

Well in that case shes well and truly ****ed then :p

[JukeBoxHero]

Why I dislike them...

I'll take what one poster said and use the word, pop drivel. I don't simply like their sound, a lot of pop doesn't grab my attention. I don't put down people for loving the mainstream pop or rock scene adoringly so but I do not quite understand the reason why. I don't see anything in that sort of music to give me a whoa moment of any sort, drums, keyboards, bass, guitar, and most importantly vocals.

[Hungryfreak]

I don't know why I read through this thread... It's horrible yet oddly compelling. Kind of like a bad train wreck.

[Weeping Guitar]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

On your profile it says your 28 why do you care if people don't like the JB or HM. And on the point I don't like the Jonas Brithers because I hear dumb people saying they are like the Beatles

[AlliterationAmy]

Miley Cyrus, The Jonas Brothers, Soulja Boi... all one in the same. They just trade off human skins.

[Kobal2]

Miley Cyrus, The Jonas Brothers, Soulja Boi... all one in the same. They just trade off human skins.

I for one welcome our new skintrading overlords.

[Hungryfreak]

If I were to make a point in this thread, useless as it is, my main problem with pop idols is how much attention they detract from real musicians and how much more money they make.

It really pisses me off when I think of the case of Chuck Schuldiner. A great and talented musician who got where he was by his own talent. With the money he made from Death, though, he had trouble obtaining the medical care he needed and that eventually caused his death.

On the other hand, some skank with a pretty face can get billions of fans and live the sweet life while barely having or using any talent. They just glide on through life by the power of a good manager and a generation of malleable young minds.

[AlliterationAmy]

I for one welcome our new skintrading overlords.
1,000th post? Eh, could've been a little better thought out.

[Kobal2]

1,000th post? Eh, could've been a little better thought out.

Story of my life.

[Der_Lex]

Breaking news! True text (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/One_Ring_inscription.svg/500px-One_Ring_inscription.svg.png) of the Jonas Brothers' purity rings revealed!

[AlliterationAmy]

Breaking news! True text (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/One_Ring_inscription.svg/500px-One_Ring_inscription.svg.png) of the Jonas Brothers' purity rings revealed!
I can read LotRian, aka Elfish (Elvish?). That literally translates to: Earth, Fire, Wind. Apparently Water and Heart are missing.

[Der_Lex]

I can read LotRian, aka Elfish (Elvish?). That literally translates to: Earth, Fire, Wind. Apparently Water and Heart are missing.

No, don't you see? They are Earth, Wind and Fire reborn!

[Kobal2]

I can read LotRian, aka Elfish (Elvish?). That literally translates to: Earth, Fire, Wind. Apparently Water and Heart are missing.

The word you're looking for is "Quenya" :D.

Goddamn, that should have been my 1000th post. It don't get much geekier.

[Der_Lex]

The word you're looking for is "Quenya" :D.

Goddamn, that should have been my 1000th post. It don't get much geekier.

No, no. 1000th posts are supposed to be dedicated to the community, who will then collectively moon you for your efforts. 'tis tradition.

[Kobal2]

No, no. 1000th posts are supposed to be dedicated to the community, who will then collectively moon you for your efforts. 'tis tradition.

Screw the community man, I'm here for the buffet.

[Der_Lex]

Screw the community man, I'm here for the buffet.

Don't screw the community. You don't know where they've been.

[Kobal2]

Don't screw the community. You don't know where they've been.

*confused* But... but I saw you and your mate Apples screwing with them like there's no tomorrow ?!

[Der_Lex]

*confused* But... but I saw you and your mate Apples screwing with them like there's no tomorrow ?!

Okay, so you do know where they've been... :D

[Metallideth]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

Because they both suck really, really, really bad. I've heard stuff by them, and it sucks badly.

That good?

[ELDUDEARINO69]

EVERYBODY
yeaaaaah
ROCK YOUR BODY
yeaaaaah


dammit how dare you get that song stuck in my head!?! :D

yeahhhhh, yeahhhhhahhh... lol

See...

Backstreet Boys > Cyrus & Jonas' Bros

[benson111]

No, no. 1000th posts are supposed to be dedicated to the community, who will then collectively moon you for your efforts. 'tis tradition.

'tis true....it happend to me, and i am still recovering...:eek:

[Der_Lex]

'tis true....it happend to me, and i am still recovering...:eek:

At least you have cupcakes.

[topperharley]

And dont use the "THEY CAN WRITE MUSIC" excuse... because they have professional song writers

there are a lot of bands that have no business writing their own music, so I don't necessary think that's a bad thing -- but overproduced, overprogrammed, overcommercialized music is crap, I don't care who writes it

[Sgt Pepper]

No, no. 1000th posts are supposed to be dedicated to the community, who will then collectively moon you for your efforts. 'tis tradition.

My 1000th post was made around the time of the Moving Picture Riots. I was not only mooned by the community, but was mooned, had my leg severed, and then was beaten bloody with it. That was a rough time for all of us... I came on the boards that day with a group of ten. Only three and one fourth of us made it out.

[instantdeath999]

My 1000th post was made around the time of the Moving Picture Riots. I was not only mooned by the community, but was mooned, had my leg severed, and then was beaten bloody with it. That was a rough time for all of us... I came on the boards that day with a group of ten. Only three and one fourth of us made it out.

Honestly, I want to know what I missed. I mostly missed the Moving Pictures fiasco.

[afterstasis]

Honestly, I want to know what I missed. I mostly missed the Moving Pictures fiasco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBSZn30OSsI

[instantdeath999]

I can always count on Afterstasis to answer any question with a youtube video :)

[afterstasis]

I can always count on Afterstasis to answer any question with a youtube video :)

words just don't compare...

[Sgt Pepper]

Honestly, I want to know what I missed. I mostly missed the Moving Pictures fiasco.

Flying lead, burning bodies, crying children, and public lynchings.

'Twas not a time of peace.

As H.G. Wells put it,
"Never before in the history of the world had such a mass of human beings moved and suffered together. This was no disciplined march – it was a stampede – without order and without a goal, six million people unarmed and unprovisioned, driving headlong. It was the beginning of the rout of civilization, of the massacre of mankind."

[Der_Lex]

Let's just say the Moving Pictures situation wasn't a fun time to be a mod. It was especially not fun being the only mod on for a few hours after the announcement of the delay. I literally spent a few hours doing nothing but locking and deleting stuff.
And of course, the Sunday after that we had a rampage of the alt account of a ban-avoiding Freebird... as I said, not a very fun week.

[Kobal2]

Honestly, I want to know what I missed. I mostly missed the Moving Pictures fiasco.

*thousand yard stare* You don't know, man. You just DON'T KNOW, you weren't THERE.

[Sgt Pepper]

And of course, the Sunday after that we had a rampage of the alt account of a ban-avoiding Freebird...

PlayFreebirdNow/TuesdaysGone/a couple dozen more alt accounts that I can't be bothered to remember...

[instantdeath999]

Now I'm jealous. I got on late that day, and only found a couple of locked threads. Were there tons of "where is moving pictures?" threads, or "HMX sucks!" threads, or a mix of the two?

I did happen to catch the freebird, though.

[afterstasis]

woah, does this mean i can remove his 10 different alt-accounts from my "ignore list"?
last time i checked i had about 60 names on my ignore list...

[Der_Lex]

He still makes new ones. We have ways of dealing with them, though.
My favorite is his I_Hate_Der_Lex account. Those kind of accounts are a badge of pride for us mods. I believe that so far only HMXHenry and I have had one, although Daes might have one too (I know there's an 'impostor' account of her)..

[instantdeath999]

I remember "GuitarHero2isthebest"... I think I was the first one to figure him out :)

I'm guessing he was completely deleted? There's no telling what his new account is named... maybe I'm him?

[Kobal2]

He still makes new ones. We have ways of dealing with them, though.

Pre-emptively banning the entire Lynyrd Skynyrd repertoire was a smart move :p

[Sgt Pepper]

He still makes new ones. We have ways of dealing with them, though.

Ways of dealing with them (http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/2/24/866/24866171_Banhammer.jpg)

[Der_Lex]

I remember "GuitarHero2isthebest"... I think I was the first one to figure him out :)


Nah, I was already onto him, sorry :D. I swear I can smell that kid by now :D
It occasionally takes us a while to act, though.

[instantdeath999]

Hm, I like Lynyrd Skynrd enough... maybe I should change my favorite band to Lynyrd Skynrd? I'd get the instant ban-hammr :p

[Der_Lex]

This thread has gone wildly off-topic.

The sad part is that it's become a much better thread for it :D

[instantdeath999]

Does that mean you have to lock it :eek:

...Can I see the I_Hate_Der_Lex account? Or did you delete it :(

[RockLobsta85]

This is in response to the main question, I don't hate Miley Cyrus(fully) or the Jonas Brothers, I hate that kids now a days find them to be good music. I know album book says she wrote her songs, but professional writers bandaged up what she wrote. The Jonas brothers have to have session drummers and writers come into the studio and write there music, the little brother cant sing if his life depended on it, good god i cant imagine the amount of autotune time they spend on him alone. The only one with talent in that band is the older brother, but hes less popular because he doesn't have the looks. Watch the VMAs and listen to the middle brother butcher a lot of notes live. Thats why i cant stand when they put whinny crap like the jo bros and no talent spoiled chick tween music on the airwaves, lil wayne was 15 when he came out, he had talent, usher,13. dude still has talent. Hopefully Timbaland can turn the jo bros around by replacing 2 out of 3.

[Sgt Pepper]

Noooo! :eek:

Uh... Hannah Montanna, right? Yeah. She's evil.

*hopes to keep thread alive*

[Der_Lex]

Does that mean you have to lock it :eek:

...Can I see the I_Hate_Der_Lex account? Or did you delete it :(

I believe the account got banned. And no, the thread doesn't have to get locked as far as I'm concerned. Then again, I'm in a pretty laid back mood tonight :D

[HPLabonte]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

This is the only post i've read so far in this thread, but i wanna say something.

You guys know i'll let you know if I am not a fan of a band, or performer, but Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers do not bother me at all, they are what they are, kiddie music, and aren't really being passed off as "Revolutionary rock and roll" or anything like that, they're just what they are, and for what they are, they could be much, much worse.

This coming from someone who likes The Who, Pixies, Sabbath, Clash, Clutch, Weezer, and Rush, and doesn't like Nirvana, Paramore, HIM, and Foreigner....

[Der_Lex]

Paramore is my guilty pleasure. I'm actually looking forward to their song in RB2.
I blame Crushcrushcrush. It's way too much fun to play on all instruments.

[Mex]

Argh...I wonder if I should even comment?

Is it just me or did the OP just create this thread so he/she could do the following:

"I like Miley Cyrus and Jonas Brothers. There is no possible reason I will accept for anyone to dislike them. However, I would like you to post your reasons just so I can completely ignore them and/or use completely skewed logic to disprove them. I don't actually care what you think I just felt like causing a crapstorm out of sheer boredom. Also, I deep down need a way to rationalise my love for these bands. If I love them then they must be good, regardless of what anyone says. Please go ahead and post so that I can promptly say "You lose" for absolutely no reason".

It reminds me of when I used to take escalation calls for a financial institution. I learned that no matter what, you cannot reason with a person who has a skewed perception of reality. A nice way of saying, you can't have a logical conversation with a crazy person.

Moving on.

Personally, I don't like Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers because I listened to their music and it didn't have any redeeming quality that struck a chord with me. Now, that doesn't mean they are talentless, but when you compare them to all the other music out there, they really don't hold a candle in terms of raw talent.

What they do have however, is one hell of a hype machine. Let's look at Miley, a pretty, thin young girl with a somewhat famous father who has connections in the industry. You take her, invest millions of Disney's money into her, put her on TV, in movies, make numerous types of merchandise directed at kids who will just about beg for any product that is "shiny" and there friends have.....and what do you get? A pop sensation for the "tweener" crowd.

Rinse and repeat with the Jonas Brothers. Three (?) decent looking, young, thin guys with the same hype machine behind them. After putting all this time, effort and money in, they are bound to have fans.

I'm willing to bet if you took any young, decent looking member of these forums and gave them the famous dad, training, and backing of a huge corporation (Disney), you could make a Miley clone.

Take a horrible looking tone deaf kid and maybe not so much.

So what does it all mean?

Some people prefer style over substance. Others prefer substance over style. Regardless, to each their own.

Trying to convince someone that they are wrong for disliking something is an excercise in futility. If you like something, go nuts with it, go to town. Why bother trying to justify it to a bunch of random people on the internet?

Sorry for all the words people.

[Kobal2]

Paramore is my guilty pleasure. I'm actually looking forward to their song in RB2.
I blame Crushcrushcrush. It's way too much fun to play on all instruments.

Unless you happen to enjoy breathing while you sing :p.

EDIT :

I'm willing to bet if you took any young, decent looking member of these forums and gave them the famous dad, training, and backing of a huge corporation (Disney), you could make a Miley clone.


Damn, out on both counts. I could totally be a Sid Vicious clone though.

[Der_Lex]

Unless you happen to enjoy breathing while you sing :p.

Our vocalist, an overweight twentysomething male with a normally pretty deep voice, gets 100% on this song. And on Perfekte Welle. It's eerie.

[instantdeath999]

Our vocalist, an overweight twentysomething male with a normally pretty deep voice, gets 100% on this song. And on Perfekte Welle. It's eerie.

Does he sing or hum it?

[Mex]

Damn, out on both counts. I could totally be a Sid Vicious clone though.

Style over substance. A punk rock version of a Jonas brother ;)

[Kobal2]

Style over substance. A punk rock version of a Jonas brother ;)

I did not choose him at random y'know ;)

[MissMoongoddess]

Unless you happen to enjoy breathing while you sing :p.

haha tooooo true

[Der_Lex]

Does he sing or hum it?

Nobody hums over here. It's a matter of principle.

[instantdeath999]

Nobody hums over here. It's a matter of principle.

That's good.

Also, anyone who enjoys breathing will not like "Tangled up in Blue".

[Ultimatum]

Haha, I remember when TuesdaysGone called me a girl for having long hair.

Then I asked him what about his heroes Lynyrd Skynyrd, he didn't say a thing back XD

[Der_Lex]

That's good.

Also, anyone who enjoys breathing will not like "Tangled up in Blue".

Or Sleepwalker, for that matter. So much fun, but it leaves you very little room to breathe.

Kobal, what are you doing up at this hour, by the way? I'm a card-carrying creature of the night who chooses his own work hours, but what about you?

[Kobal2]

Kobal, what are you doing up at this hour, by the way? I'm a card-carrying creature of the night who chooses his own work hours, but what about you?

Same. Well, not so much"creature of the night as much as creature who's got 28-hour days, so my waking hours tend to shift dynamically. It's not a circadian bug, it's totally a feature. Yeah.

But to tell you the truth, I was about to quote your "I'm in a laid back mood tonight" with a "errr...tonight ?" of my own. ;)

[Mex]

once again i state this

learn the facts before you post crap like this

miley does write her own music, she wrote most of her last album



I forgot to comment on this point, so I will now in case you come back and read through the thread.

Took a look at the song writing credits for Miley's last 2 albums, "Meet Miley Cyrus" and "Breakout".

For "Meet Miley Cyrus" there are 10 songs (I'm not counting the Hannah Montana stuff). Of those 10 Miley is listed as a song writer on 8 of them. The interesting thing is that on all 8 there are other song writers. So basically, none of those songs were written solely by herself. What that means is someone else could have written those songs, Miley comes in and says, let's change this line here or this one word here and BAM, song writing credit.

For "Breakout", 12 songs and Miley has a song writing credit on 8 of them. Same as above, she's not the sole songwriter on any of them.

However, there are 2 "bonus" songs where she is the only songwriter. Strangely, they were only released on the Japanese version of the CD.

Isn't that odd?? They didn't want those songs released where her biggest fan base is?

But even if we gave her the benefit of the doubt, just because someone has a song writing credit, doesn't mean they're any good at it.

[Der_Lex]

Same. Well, not so much"creature of the night as much as creature who's got 28-hour days, so my waking hours tend to shift dynamically. It's not a circadian bug, it's totally a feature. Yeah.

But to tell you the truth, I was about to quote your "I'm in a laid back mood tonight" with a "errr...tonight ?" of my own. ;)

I just have an odd biorhythm... I usually sleep 5 or 6 hours in the morning. Having mild narcolepsy doesn't exactly help either. What most people don't know about that is that you actually sleep less during the night when you have it. Fortunately, mine is only triggered by sitting in moving vehicles or in rooms without proper ventilation. I usually pass out in a matter of minutes in those.

[Cpt. Overkill]

I forgot to comment on this point, so I will now in case you come back and read through the thread.

Took a look at the song writing credits for Miley's last 2 albums, "Meet Miley Cyrus" and "Breakout".

For "Meet Miley Cyrus" there are 10 songs (I'm not counting the Hannah Montana stuff). Of those 10 Miley is listed as a song writer on 8 of them. The interesting thing is that on all 8 there are other song writers. So basically, none of those songs were written solely by herself. What that means is someone else could have written those songs, Miley comes in and says, let's change this line here or this one word here and BAM, song writing credit.

For "Breakout", 12 songs and Miley has a song writing credit on 8 of them. Same as above, she's not the sole songwriter on any of them.

However, there are 2 "bonus" songs where she is the only songwriter. Strangely, they were only released on the Japanese version of the CD.

Isn't that odd?? They didn't want those songs released where her biggest fan base is?

But even if we gave her the benefit of the doubt, just because someone has a song writing credit, doesn't mean they're any good at it.

O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-Owned.

[Kobal2]

I just have an odd biorhythm... I usually sleep 5 or 6 hours in the morning. Having mild narcolepsy doesn't exactly help either. What most people don't know about that is that you actually sleep less during the night when you have it. Fortunately, mine is only triggered by sitting in moving vehicles or in rooms without proper ventilation. I usually pass out in a matter of minutes in those.

Heh, I have the opposite problem, I can't ever get to sleep unless I'm utterly and totally knackered and just can't keep my eyes open anymore.
Which can be a good thing when I need to do some overtime, but also means there're many times I'm not tired enough to sleep, but too much to do anything really taxing on the brain.
Hence the heavy forum lurking :o

[xxpigxx]

No flame baiting or anything of the sorts.

I just wanted to see some ansers like "they suck," etc . . . which is waht 75% turned out to be. :(

I do not care who you like or don't like. I just want a valid reason (and no, not all reasons are valid).

Not that hard to grasp, really.

[Mex]

No flame baiting or anything of the sorts.

I just wanted to see some ansers like "they suck," etc . . . which is waht 75% turned out to be. :(

I do not care who you like or don't like. I just want a valid reason (and no, not all reasons are valid).

Not that hard to grasp, really.

Do you grasp the same concept though? That your reason for saying said bands/artists are good may not be valid?

It's the nature of an opinion.

[afterstasis]

i would say that any reasoning a person has for liking or disliking something is as valid as the next...

true, it sorta sucks hearing someone say they dislike a song because it's popular or because they think the singer is ugly, but i would still consider those reasons valid (but superficial and probably very immature).

[Mex]

i would say that any reasoning a person has for liking or disliking something is as valid as the next...

true, it sorta sucks hearing someone say they dislike a song because it's popular or because they think the singer is ugly, but i would still consider those reasons valid (but superficial and probably very immature).

That's a really good point. I said something similar in a Nickelback thread..lol

Hating them because they're popular isn't the greatest reason. If you hate them because of the music then I'd say "fair enough".

[rgdrafting]

I'll tell you the biggest reason I don't like the whole teeny-boppers scene (past & present) ie. Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Jackson 5, Menudo, New Edition, etc.,etc.,etc.

I can't stand the fact that these teenaged kids (sometimes early teens) are singing songs about love, relationships, etc. What the hell do they know about all of these things that they really haven't ever experienced.

Trust me, I have a 13 year old daughter, and I'm pretty sure that maybe by the time she's 14, we will have successfully taught her how not to spill food on herself at every single meal.

The point is, at that age, these kids are not thinking about singing some sappy love song. It really all sounds kinda forced and awkward....and actually pretty creepy IMO.

[Mex]

I'll tell you the biggest reason I don't like the whole teeny-boppers scene (past & present) ie. Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Jackson 5, Menudo, New Edition, etc.,etc.,etc.

I can't stand the fact that these teenaged kids (sometimes early teens) are singing songs about love, relationships, etc. What the hell do they know about all of these things that they really haven't ever experienced.

Trust me, I have a 13 year old daughter, and I'm pretty sure that maybe by the time she's 14, we will have successfully taught her how not to spill food on herself at every single meal.

The point is, at that age, these kids are not thinking about singing some sappy love song. It really all sounds kinda forced and awkward....and actually pretty creepy IMO.

LOL.

I don't know, obviously a 13 or 14 year olds perspective on love is going to be different from an adults. But that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have those feelings.

I can honestly say that the first time I fell madly head over heels in love I had just turned 14. It was a girl I'd known since the 1st grade and even looking back on it now (15 years later) I can honestly say I really was madly in love with her. But maybe that's rare and I'm some kind of freak?

Also, I handled it really badly but in my defense I just wasn't equipped to deal with those kinds of feelings at that age.

[afterstasis]

I don't know, obviously a 13 or 14 year olds perspective on love is going to be different from an adults. But that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have those feelings.


agreed.

i was writing songs about girls by the age of 13 and, though they were hardly masterpieces, i would never deny that serious emotion and passion went into those amateurish little songs...

hell, i was almost definitely writing with stronger feelings back then... i was a shy, introverted virgin who wore my heart on my sleeve.

[Mex]

agreed.

i was writing songs about girls by the age of 13 and, though they were hardly masterpieces, i would never deny that serious emotion and passion went into those amateurish little songs...

hell, i was almost definitely writing with stronger feelings back then... i was a shy, introverted virgin who wore my heart on my sleeve.

BROTHER! ;)

Man I look back on those times and it's just bizarro land for me. I'm nothing like I was then. Back in those days I somehow always found myself in "The Friend Zone!"...DUN DUN DUN!

[rgdrafting]

LOL.

I don't know, obviously a 13 or 14 year olds perspective on love is going to be different from an adults. But that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have those feelings.

I can honestly say that the first time I fell madly head over heels in love I had just turned 14. It was a girl I'd known since the 1st grade and even looking back on it now (15 years later) I can honestly say I really was madly in love with her. But maybe that's rare and I'm some kind of freak?

Yeah, I remember being that age and "falling in love" (although it might have been lust...:o). I do think that is normal for kids that age.

I just don't think that it's natural for a kid to supposedly be so overcome with emotion that they are compelled to write and sing a song. I don't know, maybe it's an attention-span thing?....most of the 13-14 year olds I've known in my life, are far too easily distracted to do something like that.



Also, I handled it really badly but in my defense I just wasn't equipped to deal with those kinds of feelings at that age.

Maybe you should have written and composed a song about it....who knows, you could have been the next teen idol! ;)

[Kobal2]

BROTHER! ;)

Man I look back on those times and it's just bizarro land for me. I'm nothing like I was then. Back in those days I somehow always found myself in "The Friend Zone!"...DUN DUN DUN!

I'm still a card carrying member :o. But I like it there, and I think I did amazing things with the wallpaper :D

But afterstasis is right about the feelings being more powerful in that foreign land with fuzzy borders we call "back then". Heartbreaks really were the frickin' end of the world back then. Now ? Well, they still never really pass, but they're lost in the background noise or something like that.

This thread is really starting to read like "High Fidelity" :p

[Mex]

Yeah, I remember being that age and "falling in love" (although it might have been lust...:o). I do think that is normal for kids that age.

I just don't think that it's natural for a kid to supposedly be so overcome with emotion that they are compelled to write and sing a song. I don't know, maybe it's an attention-span thing?....most of the 13-14 year olds I've known in my life, are far too easily distracted to do something like that.


Maybe you should have written and composed a song about it....who knows, you could have been the next teen idol! ;)

I see what you're saying. I think there are some kids that age that are much more emotionally "advanced" than their peers. Problem usually is that they don't know what to do with those feelings. Heck I remember all my buddy's thinking I was nuts and didn't understand why I didn't want to have ALL the cute girls. What? Just one? You're crazy bud ;)

Funny thing though, I DID write songs about it. In fact I found them a few weeks ago. My god.....man....they're HORRIBLE..lol

Ah well, good for a laugh now.


I'm still a card carrying member :o. But I like it there, and I think I did amazing things with the wallpaper :D

But afterstasis is right about the feelings being more powerful in that foreign land with fuzzy borders we call "back then". Heartbreaks really were the frickin' end of the world back then. Now ? Well, they still never really pass, but they're lost in the background noise or something like that.

This thread is really starting to read like "High Fidelity" :p

I steer completely clear of that "Friend Zone" now. And if I find myself caught in it I'm way better at dealing with it

"High Fidelity" yeah..ha ha, I read that book shortly after a bad break up. Not sure if it helped or made me feel worse. But a great book, pretty good movie too.

[afterstasis]

I just don't think that it's natural for a kid to supposedly be so overcome with emotion that they are compelled to write and sing a song. I don't know, maybe it's an attention-span thing?....most of the 13-14 year olds I've known in my life, are far too easily distracted to do something like that.


most kids, but not all of them.

really, i enjoy listening to young people's music...
there is an innocence and passion that you lose with age, and very few older people can invoke it through song ever again (brian wilson and kimya dawson do come to mind, though).

[rgdrafting]

Hmmm. Apparently, I am in the minority here!

I definitely remember going through all of the break-ups, rejections, puppy-love things....and I know that I felt all of the roller-coaster of emotions that went along with them.

But I guess I just didn't let them linger for long enough to affect me. Either that, or I've successfully blocked them out. :confused:

Either way, I still think it's creepy to hear the JoBros sing about how they're "burnin' up for you baby."!

[Runesmith]

I don't hate the JoBros or Miley simply because life is too short to hate on people I've never even met. I also don't understand why people would hate on the music, either, when it's rather obvious that other people enjoy it and you don't even have to listen to it. Since my music preferences are kind of out there (post-punk, synth-pop, goth, punk, hardcore, Motown...) as far as the general populace is concerned, I'd hope that someone would at least be respectful of my own preferences when I am respectful of theirs. Treating others the way you want to be treated, and all that jazz.

Plus, the JoBros were apparently influenced by The Modern Lovers...I guess that certainly counts for something.

[rgdrafting]

For the record. I don't hate the Jonas Brothers.

I actually think that they have a fair amount of potential....and I could see them someday turning into a more mainstream band.

I know they're not musical prodigies or anything...but they are somewhat talented.

[afterstasis]

and for the record, i see little potential in any of these bands but it's not because of their age, popularity, style of music, etc... :)

[Mex]

I'm not sure what'll happen with the Jonas Brothers. My prediction?

They go the way of Hanson. Then at least one of them will start a new band with a different sound to "escape" his past.

[Kobal2]

I'm not sure what'll happen with the Jonas Brothers. My prediction?

They go the way of Hanson. Then at least one of them will start a new band with a different sound to "escape" his past.

You mean "Hmmm Bop" right out of people's memories ? :)

[Mex]

You mean "Hmmm Bop" right out of people's memories ? :)

Yeah that pretty much would sum it up :)

[MissMoongoddess]

No flame baiting or anything of the sorts.

I just wanted to see some ansers like "they suck," etc . . . which is waht 75% turned out to be. :(

I do not care who you like or don't like. I just want a valid reason (and no, not all reasons are valid).

Not that hard to grasp, really.


Seeing as how you are asking people why they have such dislike of Miley and The Jonas Brothers means they are going to give you their opinion on their reasons for this. You want a valid reason (and in this case their reason will be their opinion) so let me tell you the definition of an opinion.

opin·ion (ə pin′yən, ō-)

noun

1. a belief not based on absolute certainty or positive knowledge but on what seems true, valid, or probable to one's own mind; judgment
2. an evaluation, impression, or estimation of the quality or worth of a person or thing


So as I see it everyone here, whether they don't like them because it's teeny bopper music, it's annoying, it's not their thing, etc are all valid.

I'm thinking this wouldn't be an issue for you or you would be asking for a valid reason if everyone said they liked their music "because it's fun".

[rgdrafting]

^Yeah, what the MoonGoddess said!

I think he's fishing for someone to have some kind of epiphany and decide that they really do like them.

[Mex]

^Yeah, what the MoonGoddess said!

I think he's fishing for someone to have some kind of epiphany and decide that they really do like them.

"All this time, I've been fooling myself. I WILL NO LONGER LIVE THIS LIE!!! I LOVE YOU JONAS BROS!"...

*cries*

Something like that?

[Kobal2]

"All this time, I've been fooling myself. I WILL NO LONGER LIVE THIS LIE!!! I LOVE YOU JONAS BROS!"...

*cries*

Something like that?

Well, he did succeed in a way. Lots of people have owned up to their guilty love for Paramore :p

[rgdrafting]

"All this time, I've been fooling myself. I WILL NO LONGER LIVE THIS LIE!!! I LOVE YOU JONAS BROS!"...

*cries*

Something like that?

Haha! We have an epiphany!!! ;)

*Psst, what's it like outside the closet??*

[Mex]

Haha! We have an epiphany!!! ;)

*Psst, what's it like outside the closet??*

It's weird, my voice has suddenly become really nasally and whiny!

[rgdrafting]

It's weird, my voice has suddenly become really nasally and whiny!

Are you 'slipping into the lava"? :p



Well, he did succeed in a way. Lots of people have owned up to their guilty love for Paramore :p

I totally dig Paramore....and I don't feel guilty about it even a little!

[Mex]

Are you 'slipping into the lava"? :p



I'm....burrrrnniiiiinnn...*screech screech* uuuuppppp"

[rgdrafting]

I'm....burrrrnniiiiinnn...*screech screech* uuuuppppp"

I'm tellin' ya...I could probably sing that whole album!




Sadly, that's not even a joke....like I said I have a 13 year old in the house (and a 7 year old that is equally enamored with the JoBros!)

BTW, I just noticed that we were both MOTD's on the 7th! Apparently I need to spend more time in that thread....I had no idea! I'm giddy like a little girl!

[Cpt. Overkill]

A



I totally dig Paramore....and I don't feel guilty about it even a little!

The only difference is that Paramore actually has some talent.

[Maggot_Brain]

Ok, you people need to get some sleep!

[hewhoislikegod]

Give me some good VALID reasons you hate Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers . . .

They were bred by greed for disposable income.

If there is a nail somewhere, I just smacked it with a sledge hammer.

[Thom1234]

bubble gum pop music that wasnt written by the people singing it... they might as well be playing rockband singing someone elses songs pretending to play an instrument.
So artists who perform others' music aren't as good as those who do? What about all of the 50's, 60's, and 70's groups who didn't write the majority of their songs? Are you saying that their music isn't artistically valid because they didn't write it?
Also, the argument that this music is bad because it's overplayed is silly. Stairway to Heaven is ridiculously overplayed, but that doesn't make it bad, does it?
That said, I can't argue against this music being childish, annoying and focus-group-made. I'm not saying that music produced especially for a commercial audience is bad (see Michael Jackson's Thriller.) But when it is as artistically bankrupt as these Disney artists, how the music's made is irrelevant. It's just bad music. I'm saying this as huge fan of pop music as well, so I'm not in the majority on these forums, who simply dismiss non-rock music as bad.

[m00p]

Both work for Disney?

[Rev0lver]

So artists who perform others' music aren't as good as those who do? What about all of the 50's, 60's, and 70's groups who didn't write the majority of their songs? Are you saying that their music isn't artistically valid because they didn't write it?

Yes, I am.

As for the first point, unless it is a cover band, a band that plays a cover(i'm assuming that is what you are referring to) plays their own music as well.