EGM rumored Beatles to be GHWT EXCLUSIVE!!!

[metalmanone]

My Electronic Gaming Monthly had a paragraph in the rumored section today that says Activision is close to signing the Beatles to exclusivity for GHWT. What is your reaction?

[dady5000]

That Rumor's are false (more than) half the time.

[foolosophy]

My reaction is this is the Rock Band forums. And as with all unrelated material, this should be in the General forum.

[skullpit]

I HATE the Beatles.

[metalmanone]

Yeah Beatles have no place in either game in my opinion. But the Q rumored section as they call it is quite often soon to be true news more often than not. I have had EGM since mid 90's got every issue. Trust me they are most accurate game magazine out there.

[Kariodude]

My reaction is that this was posted in the General forum at least a week ago, maybe more.

[echo4papa]

This just in...

HMX has signed solid gameplay and a massive library of DLC to exlusive deals.

[CONAN9845]

I HATE the Beatles.Is there any music that you would consider yourself rabid for, then?

As long as it doesn't suck, I'm buying whatever game gets them.

[dady5000]

Yeah Beatles have no place in either game in my opinion. But the Q rumored section as they call it is quite often soon to be true news more often than not. I have had EGM since mid 90's got every issue. Trust me they are most accurate game magazine out there.

You mean like how Luigi is a secret character in Super Mario 64?

[CONAN9845]

This just in...

HMX has signed solid gameplay and a massive library of DLC to exlusive deals.Yeah, but I bet that's a timed exclusive. It's able to be copied.

[metalmanone]

I didnt say 100% accurate just mostly accurate. Dont get hostile dude.

[Razer151]

I would cry, put on a long black trenchcoat and hat and shamefully walk to gamestop to purchase Guitar Hero.

[Alvarado6411]

Honestly if it's true, **** activision. They already took Metallica, Van Halen, Eagles and other bands. I hate exclusivity deals

[Kariodude]

Two main problems with EGM Rumor Mill:

1. It's a rumor mill. Right there in the title they are saying "Someone told us this and we ran with it."

2. EGM is notortious for being biased. If they like a series of games, the new game in that series will get a good review even if the game is crap. If they dislike a console, they will give games on that console bad reviews. They might just like Guitar Hero more than Rock Band (lolwut) and decided to make up this rumor to get more people to go to their side or something.

[chillzatl]

I HATE the Beatles.

hating music is for those of small mind.. Just say you don't know enough about melody, harmony and musicianship to appreciate them. Well..unless you are of small mind.

[dady5000]

I didnt say 100% accurate just mostly accurate. Dont get hostile dude.

I'm not trying to get hostile.

It's just a fact that rumors most of the time just are not true.

[freakonate]

Who cares. With the exception of maybe "Help!" "Helter Skelter" and maybe "Get Back" ....actually...now that I think about it, there ARE a lot of cool Beatles songs to be had... hmmm... this is not good news. Ooo "Eleanor Rigby" would be awesome too.

[chillzatl]

Honestly if it's true, **** activision. They already took Metallica, Van Halen, Eagles and other bands. I hate exclusivity deals

c'mon, the game is what it is. Harmonix/MTV has every opportunity to play the game by the rules that exist. They have the money and obviously have or have had the opportunity to sign all those bands, including the Beatles. If they are willing to pass up on great bands (The Beatles), once great bands (Metallica) or bands with a few great songs (Van Halen) over some faux moral high road, so be it. I don't plan on missing out on any of it, as I'll be playing both games. I'll just say it's a shame that they didn't do more to get those bands in the better of the two games.

[skullpit]

hating music is for those of small mind.. Just say you don't know enough about melody, harmony and musicianship to appreciate them. Well..unless you are of small mind.

Being a musician I know plenty about melody, harmony, and musicianship. I can appreciate their influence on music but that doesn't mean I have to like them. I've heard most if not all of their songs having grown up around it. I just can't stand them. Jerk.

[Riggaman]

The Beatles is my favorite band of all time...

Rock Band is my favorite game of all time...

Such conflict!

That is the ONLY thing that would make me purchase a GH game.

[sillystou]

My reaction is that a rumor is just that: a rumor.

[Bodabo240]

All I know is Activision is a bunch of crack smokin low lifes lol jk but they are a**holes, like who goes and tries to get "exclusive" tracks so you will go buy their game....Its all about the $$$ when this game should be about the music.....plus Activision WONT be releasing DLC EVERY WEEK so who cares....Im proud of Harmonix on trying to change how music games are their own platform and **** but Activision just ruins it for all of us.....Damn communists lol jk

[freakonate]

Meh. I'd rather have AC/DC in my music games. AC/DC >>>>> Beatles. :D

[Mystlyfe77]

Are you guys kidding me? This is the THIRD thread about this now, at least. Search and you'll see that BOTH have been closed too, because they're about RUMORS.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77161&highlight=beatles+ghwt
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76610&highlight=beatles+2010

[sssrcr85]

Meh. I'd rather have AC/DC in my music games. AC/DC >>>>> Beatles. :D

You're funny my friend. While I like both bands, the Beatles are clearly superior. AC/DC fits the game better though.

[Aragha]

You're funny my friend. While I like both bands, the Beatles are clearly superior. AC/DC fits the game better though.

I'd rather have Rush. They are FAR superior. No matter what.

c wut i did thar?

[brobot]

I'd rather have Rush. They are FAR superior. No matter what.

c wut i did thar?

Music is subjective but in all honesty the Beatles are superior. No hate to Rush. Love some Rush but the Beatles were leaps and bounds more important.

[Maggot_Brain]

That would suck.

[kiggidykev]

You mean like how Luigi is a secret character in Super Mario 64?

Haha, yeah. Or Simon Belmont in TMNT 2 :D

[FLYmeatwad]

Unless they have Helter Skelter then I don't care. The Beatles are overrated to the extreme and if they went exclusive I'd be glad to have all of the fans that keep requesting them gone. The only better option I could see would be if Muse signed exclusive with GH so that we could be rid of the most irritating fan base of all time.

[Aragha]

Music is subjective but in all honesty the Beatles are superior. No hate to Rush. Love some Rush but the Beatles were leaps and bounds more important.

I disagree. Rush > All

It's a proven fact, I'm sorry.

[Aragha]

Unless they have Helter Skelter then I don't care. The Beatles are overrated to the extreme and if they went exclusive I'd be glad to have all of the fans that keep requesting them gone. The only better option I could see would be if Muse signed exclusive with GH so that we could be rid of the most irritating fan base of all time.

Ehem... May I direct you to the Disney Channel?

[FLYmeatwad]

Ehem... May I direct you to the Disney Channel?

I can tune that out though, sadly I cannot even enter the Ultimate Setlist Forum without seeing that 500 page thread asking for Muse DLC. Period. I can promise you that very few bands, and Muse is most certainly not one of them, are 500 page good.

[FLYmeatwad]

I disagree. Rush > All

It's a proven fact, I'm sorry.

Not over all, but certainly over The Beatles. The quality of Rush's lyrics are leaps and bounds above the poetic aspect of The Beatles and Rush's talent with instruments are far superior as well.

[Aragha]

I can tune that out though, sadly I cannot even enter the Ultimate Setlist Forum without seeing that 500 page thread asking for Muse DLC. Period. I can promise you that very few bands, and Muse is most certainly not one of them, are 500 page good.

Muse > Bob Dylan.

WUT NAO?!

Just kidding, but I think Muse is wicked good. I believe they are worthy of huge threads, but I'm guessing a lot of that is off topic/trolls/GH Fanboys saying, "lol we has muse yoo dunt"

[dady5000]

Haha, yeah. Or Simon Belmont in TMNT 2 :D

Or the iGame.

Or Lego Halo.

[Aragha]

Not over all, but certainly over The Beatles. The quality of Rush's lyrics are leaps and bounds above the poetic aspect of The Beatles and Rush's talent with instruments are far superior as well.

Yeah, you have a very good point. Rush is just like, my favorite band. After talent it all comes down to opinion.

[hodayathink]

Who cares. With the exception of maybe "Help!" "Helter Skelter" and maybe "Get Back" ....actually...now that I think about it, there ARE a lot of cool Beatles songs to be had... hmmm... this is not good news. Ooo "Eleanor Rigby" would be awesome too.
Okay, how exactly would you chart "Eleanor Rigby". I love that song, but it doesn't work at all.

[FLYmeatwad]

Muse > Bob Dylan.

WUT NAO?!

Just kidding, but I think Muse is wicked good. I believe they are worthy of huge threads, but I'm guessing a lot of that is off topic/trolls/GH Fanboys saying, "lol we has muse yoo dunt"

Let's certainly hope you were just kidding. I think Muse is considerably more fun to play than to listen to, plus the fans I've met are generally annoying and think they are the hottest thing since sliced bread. I can kind of get why people like them, but I can also kind of get why people like Dream Theater, yet I can't seem to bring myself to listen to their music for anything more than a mere distraction when there's nothing else around.

[BAzombie]

Yeah, old news, kinda.

Something I didn't see in the thread, rumor mill also said that with the way that the Beatles license their songs, you'd probably won't see any songs until 2010.

[freakonate]

Okay, how exactly would you chart "Eleanor Rigby". I love that song, but it doesn't work at all.

LOL. How should I know? I only play games not make them. Although, if I were to put this song in the game, I'd use the kickass cover version by Godhead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br2a0iKn_JA

[Aragha]

Let's certainly hope you were just kidding. I think Muse is considerably more fun to play than to listen to, plus the fans I've met are generally annoying and think they are the hottest thing since sliced bread. I can kind of get why people like them, but I can also kind of get why people like Dream Theater, yet I can't seem to bring myself to listen to their music for anything more than a mere distraction when there's nothing else around.

Haha, most of the Muse fans I have met are normal (well, not really; they are my friends, after all). I doubt most people I know who like Muse only heard the ones in GH or never even heard of them... It's saddening.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Nobody will be interested in these games by 2010.

[PCTraitor]

Not over all, but certainly over The Beatles. The quality of Rush's lyrics are leaps and bounds above the poetic aspect of The Beatles and Rush's talent with instruments are far superior as well.

I'm sorry but no Rush lyrics compare to the song Imagine.

The Beatles are responsible for so many studio advances it's ridiculous. Just think Sgt peppers was recorded on 2 4 tracks synced together. Go listen to A Day in a Life with that in mind.

[Aragha]

I'm sorry but no Rush lyrics compare to the song Imagine.

coughjohnlennoncough

Spirit Of Radio > Imagine

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

coughjohnlennoncough

Spirit Of Radio > Imagine

Please be kidding.

[dady5000]

Please be kidding.

Hahahah. I'm going to have to agree that Imagine can't be credited to the Beatles. That was all John Lennon's doing.

[FLYmeatwad]

I'm sorry but no Rush lyrics compare to the song Imagine.

The Beatles are responsible for so many studio advances it's ridiculous. Just think Sgt peppers was recorded on 2 4 tracks synced together. Go listen to A Day in a Life with that in mind.

The Trees, it's a politically conscious song with a message that works at the symbolic level in a way Imagine certainly does not. And I recall saying nothing about The Beatles influence, technically or otherwise, simply that they are an inferior band both lyrically and instrumentally to Rush and are severely overrated by their fan base.

[Lord_Mhoram]

LOL. How should I know? I only play games not make them. Although, if I were to put this song in the game, I'd use the kickass cover version by Godhead.



That is one of my favorite Beatles covers. The stark harsh instrumentation really adds to the theme of loneliness and alienation that is at the core of the lyrics. Really really great.

[killer_roach]

LOL. How should I know? I only play games not make them. Although, if I were to put this song in the game, I'd use the kickass cover version by Godhead.

Hell yes. That cover is awesome :)

[momo217]

c'mon, the game is what it is. Harmonix/MTV has every opportunity to play the game by the rules that exist. They have the money and obviously have or have had the opportunity to sign all those bands, including the Beatles. If they are willing to pass up on great bands (The Beatles), once great bands (Metallica) or bands with a few great songs (Van Halen) over some faux moral high road, so be it. I don't plan on missing out on any of it, as I'll be playing both games. I'll just say it's a shame that they didn't do more to get those bands in the better of the two games.

My thoughts exactly. The Beatles are my favorite band and I could care less who gets them as long as they are gotten. I will glady pay Hmx to play The Beatles or will just as gladly pay Activision or whoever can put them on a game. Just do it already!

[Rockbandfan23467]

Instrumental-wise, Rush are better, but songwriting wise The Beatles eat Rush for Breakfast with a side of bacon. (Well not really snece Paul's a vegetarian, but you get what I mean)

Both fanbases are equally annoying.

[killer_roach]

I don't know about that... most of what the Beatles are known for are catchy choruses, Hey Jude, Sgt. Pepper, and A Little Help From My Friends aside... hard to compare guys who do write really good hooks with people in a genre where choruses are usually given short shrift, if not are completely non-existent...

[Rockbandfan23467]

Exclusives are bad.

[Gatorguy91]

absolutely disgusting Guitar hero.... if it's true...

ABSOLUTELY DISGUISTING


Seriously, Using a band that sung about peace for a video game cash-in and trying to defeat another company, isolating their message?

****ING LOW. I hope they burn in HELL.

[thedoorsdk]

I still don't understand why people want the Beatles in these games so bad.
Doesn't anyone else realize how incredibly boring the charts would be?

[instantdeath999]

I disagree. Rush > All

It's a proven fact, I'm sorry.

If you are talking about terms of influence, there really is no arguing. If you are talking about which is better, that is completely subjective. When listening to the Beatles, you absolutely have to keep the time frame in mind.


coughjohnlennoncough

Spirit Of Radio > Imagine

Imagine may seem a bit generic today, but when it was released, the lyrics were quite shocking, and very creative. Spirit of the Radio is a bit on the cheesy side.

That said, Rush fits the game much better.

[PCTraitor]

The Trees, it's a politically conscious song with a message that works at the symbolic level in a way Imagine certainly does not. And I recall saying nothing about The Beatles influence, technically or otherwise, simply that they are an inferior band both lyrically and instrumentally to Rush and are severely overrated by their fan base.

still doesn't compare. What about A Day In The Life? The Beatles were very subtle and you could interpret what they meant in various ways. Also, many Rush songs sound exactly the same to the point where you could call them the ACDC of prog rock. You can't at all say that about the Beatles. Really though many people think Rush overplay. There is something to be said about playing to the song rather than trying to fit in as many notes as you can.

That said I think Rush fit in this game better than the Beatles even though I really prefer the Beatles to Rush to listen to.

[FLYmeatwad]

still doesn't compare. What about A Day In The Life? The Beatles were very subtle and you could interpret what they meant in various ways. Also, many Rush songs sound exactly the same to the point where you could call them the ACDC of prog rock. You can't at all say that about the Beatles. Really though many people think Rush overplay. There is something to be said about playing to the song rather than trying to fit in as many notes as you can.

That said I think Rush fit in this game better than the Beatles even though I really prefer the Beatles to Rush to listen to.

Still doesn't compare, great explanation of why it doesn't compare. Maybe you just don't feel like typing, oh but all those lines after mean that's not true. So now we just want to throw out song titles? Okay. Bastille Day is a song about a historic event, yet it's written in such a fashion that it can be interpreted in various ways. Once again, I reference the beautiful writing in The Trees, a song of its time that still is very much relevant today, and open to interpretation.

As for the claim of all their songs sounding the same, do you have ears? Tom Sawyer hardly sounds like The Trees, which hardly sounds like Fly By Night, which hardly sounds like Subdivisions, which hardly sounds like The Larger Bowl. Please, that's a very flawed argument. And they most certainly don't jam notes in needlessly. Also, it doesn't hurt the quality nor does their playing hurt the power of the lyrics.

[ffwarrior47]

lol... i want is hey jude...

nahhh nahh nah nannana nanananahhh hey jude... :cool:

[RoboEnigma]

Well, even if they do..

HMX would probably go a similar way they did with GNR.

I don't know if the old GNR is only in GHIII, and that they can't get old songs because Slash owns part of them, but I've heard that several times, but it shouldn't be taken as fact here, but it supports my statement..(Again, I have no idea if this is true, but I've heard is so many times..)

So they got new GNR.

If they got The Beatles, they would probably try to get some George Harrison tunes from his days with The Beatles (Here Comes The Sun, Something, While my Guitar Gently Weeps).

I would be okay with that, as he is probably my favorite Beatle.

Plus they already got Dhani. Later.

[hodayathink]

LOL. How should I know? I only play games not make them. Although, if I were to put this song in the game, I'd use the kickass cover version by Godhead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br2a0iKn_JA
Hmmm, that was good.

[m00p]

Probably a rumor. But im excited anyway.

Will take any beatle songs or DLC in ANY game.

While I think it would be more fun to play their songs in RB, I would also love to see a themed guitar hero. The venues, characters, etc.

[flop404]

Okay. Bastille Day is a song about a historic event, yet it's written in such a fashion that it can be interpreted in various ways.

Oh my, didn't know that song, did some quick lyrics check...

It's... well, how to put it, incredible, for sure.
Went on to check "The trees" lyrics, after that... Sure, it is "political" also.

Not wanting to start a flame war there, but how do you manage to enjoy both this kind of lyrics and, judging by your avatar, Bob Dylan's lyrics ?

[Thom1234]

If the Beatles go GH exclusive, that'd be a HUGE blow for HMX. Metallica, VH, the Eagles and Aerosmith are all huge bands, but seriously, The Beatles are the BIGGEST BAND EVER. HMX/EA can't let this happen.

[Keebler]

Even if not much of the Beatles catalog is playable for GH or is geared towards music games in general, this simply cannot happen. The name recognition itself would pretty much secure GH the title of best-selling music game and that would sink Harmonix.

[FLYmeatwad]

Oh my, didn't know that song, did some quick lyrics check...

It's... well, how to put it, incredible, for sure.
Went on to check "The trees" lyrics, after that... Sure, it is "political" also.

Not wanting to start a flame war there, but how do you manage to enjoy both this kind of lyrics and, judging by your avatar, Bob Dylan's lyrics ?

I don't think I understand the question or if you were poking fun at Dylan's songs, Rush's, or neither. Either way, I think the easiest answer is drawing a comparison to something else, namely poems, which the songs essentially are. In that sense, I'm perfectly capable of reading, appreciating, and enjoying Poe just as much as I am able to enjoy Whitman. Now even in such a comparison I have an opinion about who is far and away the better and more interesting writer, just as I do with the respective song writers, but just because the subjects, and even the messages in song, may be different does not take away from my appreciation, enjoyment, and/or admiration for the lyrics.

[schnitz76]

Personally I don't care for the beatles. I just wonder if they would sell the game like they think it would. By and large it's my parent's generation that would care the most about the beatles being in a game, but on the other hand they would care the least about the beatles being in a game. I know that there are quite a few younger fans of the beatles, but I think that the people who grew up with the beatles dwarf those that grew up gamers. I just think that the generation divide on games will show up where the beatles won't be the holy grail they are supposed to be on say the digital song download front. (i.e. My dad "gets" MP3's. My dad doesn't "get" RB or GH.)

[mjlambert1]

Would love to see Beatles' covers...

"Hey Jude" - Wilson Pickett w/ Duane Allman
"With A Little Help From My Friends" - Joe Cocker
"While My Guitar Gently Weeps" - Jeff Healey Band

[svartikins]

I've been reading EGM for years, and I don't see how someone can call them biased... Anyway, that's not what this thread is about.

The rumor is PROBABLY true, but it sucks. Reason being, Activision got The Wings, if I remember correctly, as the name shows up in that "Be a something hit wonder" ad. Paul McCartney is part of the Wings, part of the Beatles, and thus, Activision gets The Beatles. Not to mention they got Michael Jackson, who HAD the rights to The Beatles for a long while.

Which sucks. Horribly, horribly sucks. HMX needs to get a good relationship going with Ringo Starr. ;)

Also: To everyone mention how much The Beatles wouldn't fit, go listen to Helter Skelter, Revolution, and While My Guitar Gently Weeps now, now, now.

But, if everything else fails, HMX needs to get this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9QL0Jkb_GU

[WhiffleBallTony]

Well, they landed Wings. Obviously they've gotten McCartney's support.

[m00p]

I've been reading EGM for years, and I don't see how someone can call them biased... Anyway, that's not what this thread is about.

The rumor is PROBABLY true, but it sucks. Reason being, Activision got The Wings, if I remember correctly, as the name shows up in that "Be a something hit wonder" ad. Paul McCartney is part of the Wings, part of the Beatles, and thus, Activision gets The Beatles. Not to mention they got Michael Jackson, who HAD the rights to The Beatles for a long while.

Which sucks. Horribly, horribly sucks. HMX needs to get a good relationship going with Ringo Starr. ;)

Also: To everyone mention how much The Beatles wouldn't fit, go listen to Helter Skelter, Revolution, and While My Guitar Gently Weeps now, now, now.

But, if everything else fails, HMX needs to get this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9QL0Jkb_GU

Beatles in ANY Game is great. I'll take anything I can get.

Beatles themed game, ftw!

[flop404]

I don't think I understand the question or if you were poking fun at Dylan's songs, Rush's, or neither. Either way, I think the easiest answer is drawing a comparison to something else, namely poems, which the songs essentially are. In that sense, I'm perfectly capable of reading, appreciating, and enjoying Poe just as much as I am able to enjoy Whitman. Now even in such a comparison I have an opinion about who is far and away the better and more interesting writer, just as I do with the respective song writers, but just because the subjects, and even the messages in song, may be different does not take away from my appreciation, enjoyment, and/or admiration for the lyrics.

Actually, the point is that I'd never actually listened to Rush lyrics, and that I've been truly astonished by their quality.
Not in a good way.

Art is subjective, it's all a matter of opinions, etc, etc, but, as far as poetry goes, you can hardly do more straightforward metaphor than "The trees". It's about as insightful and subtle as a 50's sci-fi movies (and using, basically, the same metaphor).

[FLYmeatwad]

Actually, the point is that I'd never actually listened to Rush lyrics, and that I've been truly astonished by their quality.
Not in a good way.

Art is subjective, it's all a matter of opinions, etc, etc, but, as far as poetry goes, you can hardly do more straightforward metaphor than "The trees". It's about as insightful and subtle as a 50's sci-fi movies (and using, basically, the same metaphor).

From what I gather, you're missing the open-endedness of the song. I suppose the simplest question to see if this idea is correct would be, are the penultimate and the ultimate lines good or bad? Happy or sad? In it's basest form neither one is correct, both positions are supportable, and that's figured out without even asking what the trees are a metaphor for, at the time the song was written and in modern society. It's not all about the complexity, but the presentation and the sense found in ambiguity. Look at the poem "Not Waving But Drowning" in comparison, it's a seemingly simple concept that one can easily take at face value but then the work is done a great disservice.

[flop404]

From what I gather, you're missing the open-endedness of the song. I suppose the simplest question to see if this idea is correct would be, are the penultimate and the ultimate lines good or bad?


This is clearly closed, and explicit :

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.




Happy or sad? In it's basest form neither one is correct, both positions are supportable, and that's figured out without even asking what the trees are a metaphor for, at the time the song was written and in modern society.

Obviously, a "sad" ending, with a straightforward message :

Equality is a bad thing.

[killer_roach]

Obviously, a "sad" ending, with a straightforward message :

Equality is a bad thing.

Well, slightly too simplified... try "equality by force or coercion is a bad thing" or "one group of individuals conspiring to impose limitations on another is a bad thing".