I'm worried about the difficulty

[Fortheloveofgod]

Just saw the IGN review (which was great like the others I've seen) but like most reviews I've read they mention the difficulty;


There's no doubt that many of the guitar sections are meant for a more casual audience.

What does that mean? The only vids I've seen are songs on hard, but they're easily compared to GH2 songs on medium.

Is expert gonna be challenging? Maybe not GH level, but not too easy so you can do it in one go.

[SmokaCola]

Expert is more of a GH2 expert rather than a GH3 expert. In other words, it will still be pretty challenging but it will actually make sense, as to where in GH3 it doesn't even really feeling like you're "playing" a guitar half the time. I watched that kid play on the streamed videos and really... it doesn't look that much different from GH2's difficulty settings, but you notice that they obviously focused more on the drums than anything else.

[Oblong]

If the challenge isn't great enough, I suggest you try to learn the songs without looking at the screen. That should keep you occupied for a bit.

GL

[Edgehopper]

If the challenge isn't great enough, I suggest you try to learn the songs without looking at the screen. That should keep you occupied for a bit.

GL

Or get into one of the other big challenges of the game, like Expert/Expert Guitar/Vocals.

With the notecharts I saw on the stream last night, and the timing window that's a little tighter than GH1, I have no worries about the game's guitar difficulty, and I'm one of the best GH players in New York City (I have the tournament wins to prove it). While playing the demo, I found most of the songs to have quite enjoyable guitar parts.

Green Grass & High Tides looks to be tougher than Freebird when the new game engine is taken into account; can someone who's already played the game confirm that?

[aceplace]

After seeing GGAHT I sense bull**** in most of the comments about it being "casual" and "easier". Plus with the Metallica DLC maybe we'll see some additional tough tracks.

[MeleeMan]

After seeing GGAHT I sense bull**** in most of the comments about it being "casual" and "easier". Plus with the Metallica DLC maybe we'll see some additional tough tracks.

At least the solo in One will be tough.

[visualdeity]

Expert is more of a GH2 expert rather than a GH3 expert.

/cry

GH2 expert was already too damn hard! Why can't my poor, poor fingers ever get a break?

[aceplace]

At least the solo in One will be tough.

Which reminds me, why isn't One in the Metallica pack? Why must we wait longer.

[vtjustinb]

Yeah after seeing some of the last tier guitar parts (Train, GGAHT) you'll be fine. While nothing jumped out as like like impossible work-up-tos (like Jordan and TTFATF were) the last tier songs were right in line with the last tier in GH.

[NotorietyH]

I'm glad it's slightly easier and they've concentrated more and accurate note charts than that finger-contorting mess of a game that is GHIII. I like to play on Hard, just because I mess up less and can actually hear the song, but the later stages of GHIII hard are ridiculous. GHIII is like some sort of endurance trial where from the looks of Rock Band it's challenging and fun. I'll take Rock Band's difficulty any day of the week.

[Bakkster]

Yeah after seeing some of the last tier guitar parts (Train, GGAHT) you'll be fine. While nothing jumped out as like like impossible work-up-tos (like Jordan and TTFATF were) the last tier songs were right in line with the last tier in GH.

I think the harder songs are just as hard as in GH2, but the easier songs are a little easier (GH1 style) and more plentiful. Thankfully DLC can be whatever you want.

[logicalnoise]

based on the expert full vids I'veseen the gane does lean to the easy side on note chart complexity. However NONE of teh charts I've seen look boring or half assed. ANd considering how difficult blackned and ride the lightning sound I'm sure the difficulty can be turned up at any point DLC wise.

[InsaneGame]

I'm glad its alittleeasier i have stopped playng ugitar hero 3 on expert in teir 7 becuase i cant stand the note charts.

[logicalnoise]

I'm glad its alittleeasier i have stopped playng ugitar hero 3 on expert in teir 7 becuase i cant stand the note charts.

well if they were difficult and fun I'd have no problem but they systematically made me loathe raining blood which is quite said since it's a terrific mosh song.

[Eman311]

You'll breeze through the first 35 songs. The last 10 will give you a challenge. i can't judge the bonus songs, as i've only heard a few of them.

[deepbluevibes]

drums = simple as pie

nothing hard until the metallica DLC pack, more than likely

[dlisapussy]

If the challenge isn't great enough, I suggest you try to learn the songs without looking at the screen. That should keep you occupied for a bit.

GL

Good idea. It's either that or learn a real instrument if you haven't yet. You could always get GHIII if you want songs that are so hard its not even fun to play.

But if you're really that worried, just listen to the songs. HMX will stay true to what is in the song. They aren't going to think, "that little extra note in there is too hard" and take it out. What is in the song will be in the game.

[casedawg]

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=pdtecrj

- most of the songs he's put up are early in the game so theyre easy. but check out like black hole sun and dani california. they're semi challenging and he had a vid of ballroom blitz up like 15 minutes ago but its not there anymore. that looked pretty hard too. also like some are saying the metallica pack should be very challenging due to the small window to hit notes and the insane solos.

[Ghandi]

If the challenge isn't great enough, I suggest you try to learn the songs without looking at the screen. That should keep you occupied for a bit.

GL

Yeah, my friend has nearly 5 starred hangar 18 on Expert w/ hyper speed with his eyes closed.

Im not sure if it is amazing or pathetic...

[Bakkster]

drums = simple as pie

nothing hard until the metallica DLC pack, more than likely

Only if you are already a drummer.

[Bakkster]

Yeah, my friend has nearly 5 starred hangar 18 on Expert w/ hyper speed with his eyes closed.

Im not sure if it is amazing or pathetic...

If his eyes were closed, why was hyperspeed on? I smell hax!

[dlisapussy]

Yeah, my friend has nearly 5 starred hangar 18 on Expert w/ hyper speed with his eyes closed.

Im not sure if it is amazing or pathetic...

It's amazingly pathetic, yet pathetically amazing.

[Rock_Starman]

I don't understand why anyone would play this for challenge/difficulty. Want that get a real one. Games are supposed to be FUN not frustrating.

[SmokaCola]

I've always been against the "Get a real guitar" (well, ever since I got GH1 because that's what I use to say then I realized it was a stupid thing to say because the game was really fun) But... I'm going to have to agree with that, To an extent. Yeah it would be a lot more challenging to pick up a guitar and learn it, But it would also be challening for a game to have charts that make no sense what so ever. Learning an actual guitar will pay off and it will be fun, but it's not something you can master in a month or less like you could with Guitar Hero.

[jaydajedi]

id have to agree it does seem easier but thats cuase the note charts make sense.
if i wanted to random button mash id pull out fight nite round 3
my buddy has had his for a few days and its lots of fun. kinda reminds me of how i felt about the original guitar hero.

[Rock_Starman]

Yea I normally don't say that. I'm against people saying that when they're like "this game is stupid,it's just plastic,get a real one" but in this specific case of wanting challenge I can agree.

[_GABO_]

Well, OXM put up two videos from GamesRadar showing songs that are on both GH3 and RB, here's a <a href="http://www.oxmonline.com/article/features/presses/rock-band-vs-guitar-hero-iii-split-screen">link</a> to the article.


The second video covers "Reptilia" by the Strokes, "Paranoid" by Black Sabbath, and the Mountain classic "Mississippi Queen." The riff on "Reptilia" shows what we've experienced so far: Guitar Hero III's Hard is equivalent to Rock Band's Expert.

Songs covered in the two videos:

"When You Were Young" by the Killers
"Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys
"Cherub Rock" by Smashing Pumpkins
"Reptilia" by the Strokes
"Paranoid" by Black Sabbath
"Mississippi Queen" by Mountain

[dlisapussy]

id have to agree it does seem easier but thats cuase the note charts make sense.
if i wanted to random button mash id pull out fight nite round 3
my buddy has had his for a few days and its lots of fun. kinda reminds me of how i felt about the original guitar hero.

You mean Fight Night: Round 2, right?

The point of Fight Night: Round 3 is to use the stick, instead of hitting buttons.

[Bakkster]

Well, OXM put up two videos from GamesRadar showing songs that are on both GH3 and RB, here's a <a href="http://www.oxmonline.com/article/features/presses/rock-band-vs-guitar-hero-iii-split-screen">link</a> to the article.

The list uses Hard difficulty, which doesn't really tell us much.

[jaydajedi]

you havent seen the way i play lol but yes fight nite round 2 sorry
or i coulda used
DOA i really suck at that game

[deepbluevibes]

Only if you are already a drummer.

no, playing real drums isn't that big of an aspect at all with it, since this game doesn't simulate a real drumset all that much.

my friend who has been playing drums for 14+ years can't even do basic on this game without the bass pedal, yet he can pretty much play all these songs on this game in real life, on a real drumset, without breaking a sweat.

it's more on your experience with rhythm games and drum games in general, although admittedly it does help a bit.


I don't understand why anyone would play this for challenge/difficulty. Want that get a real one. Games are supposed to be FUN not frustrating.

as i've said a million times, some of us equate fun with challenge. some of us want to constantly push ourselves skill-wise, and that's what we consider fun; we don't like to stagnate at a difficulty. even if we fail the song 1,000 times, we'll eventually pass it and be that much more closer to eventually beating everything, which is what the challenge is fun for.

[Bakkster]

no, playing real drums isn't that big of an aspect at all with it, since this game doesn't simulate a real drumset all that much.

my friend who has been playing drums for 14+ years can't even do basic on this game without the bass pedal, yet he can pretty much play all these songs on this game in real life, on a real drumset, without breaking a sweat.

it's more on your experience with rhythm games and drum games in general, although admittedly it does help a bit.

Nobody without a little drum and rhythm game experience will pick up the game and play expert day one. Not easy.

[jaydajedi]

from what i have played some of the songs on exspert are very easy on drums but some are way difficult on med or hard its really wierd

[Bakkster]

from what i have played some of the songs on exspert are very easy on drums but some are way difficult on med or hard its really wierd

Yes, some songs are harder than others. It's been that way since the birth of rhythm games...

[jaydajedi]

no i mean like a really big difference

[Bakkster]

no i mean like a really big difference

Yeah, some of the songs have really simple, or very complex lines. That's how it works.

[deepbluevibes]

Nobody without a little drum and rhythm game experience will pick up the game and play expert day one. Not easy.

Oh, I totally agree.

I'm just saying, I wish they had harder charts for drums outside of DLC.

[Bakkster]

Oh, I totally agree.

I'm just saying, I wish they had harder charts for drums outside of DLC.

I think you will be surprised. There may not be any that are constant flailing yet, but Next to You is crazy syncopated, and a few of the other last tier songs should be plenty challenging.

[deepbluevibes]

I think you will be surprised. There may not be any that are constant flailing yet, but Next to You is crazy syncopated, and a few of the other last tier songs should be plenty challenging.

Waffle, the guy doing the stream, has seen all the expert charts for drums, and has confirmed there's not anything nearly as difficult as what i'm used to in Drummania.

Again, really not trying to sound elitist here, just putting out some facts, there are people much better than me at drums and such, but i don't think they'll be anything i'd have trouble passing at all, let alone 5*ing.

but yeah i'm going to wait for the game to come out and play it and do whatever, regardless.

[Bakkster]

Waffle, the guy doing the stream, has seen all the expert charts for drums, and has confirmed there's not anything nearly as difficult as what i'm used to in Drummania.

Again, really not trying to sound elitist here, just putting out some facts, there are people much better than me at drums and such, but i don't think they'll be anything i'd have trouble passing at all, let alone 5*ing.

but yeah i'm going to wait for the game to come out and play it and do whatever, regardless.

Well, you're obviously skilled, so it might be easy for you. Just remember that you're hardly the average player, just because it's not hard for you, it will be hard for the rest of us.

[deepbluevibes]

Well, you're obviously skilled, so it might be easy for you. Just remember that you're hardly the average player, just because it's not hard for you, it will be hard for the rest of us.

Yes, I realize that. However, I also think that you guys would want even harder charts for when you DO get to that level on drums, so that you have a lot of challenge also.

[shivish]

Dude, try it out. If you don't like it ill buy your copy off of you from canada. I'd be more then happy to take it off your hands.

[TenaciousKory]

Looks Easy?

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[MysteryMan]

It feels like people always bring up the same three or four songs when arguing that the guitar will be difficult enough, and I don't think anyone disagrees that those songs are tricky. However, I'd argue that the vast, vast majority of the guitar parts in Rock Band are way easier than the songs in corresponding tiers in Guitar Hero II. That is certainly a valid complaint, depending on your playstyle.

[Nilsen31]

Songs with tough guitar solos will be tough...

for the most part there are only a handful of hard songs.

[blue_dragonzero]

It feels like people always bring up the same three or four songs when arguing that the guitar will be difficult enough, and I don't think anyone disagrees that those songs are tricky. However, I'd argue that the vast, vast majority of the guitar parts in Rock Band are way easier than the songs in corresponding tiers in Guitar Hero II. That is certainly a valid complaint, depending on your playstyle.

Honestly, there are only 6 main setlist GH3 Songs that are tough on expert. The rest are pretty easy imo.

[Bakkster]

Honestly, there are only 6 main setlist GH3 Songs that are tough on expert. The rest are pretty easy imo.

Which is why you learn to sing while playing. Come back and complain about the game being too easy when you beat BWT by yourself (singing and guitar) on expert.

[blue_dragonzero]

Which is why you learn to sing while playing. Come back and complain about the game being too easy when you beat BWT by yourself (singing and guitar) on expert.

Hey I said GH not RB!

[Bakkster]

Hey I said GH not RB!

Oops ;) I see what you meant.

The points still stands for anyone else who complains.