PS3 Vs. 360?

[Fatal1ty_Reaper]

Ok, I want to know which console to get this on, (Got 2 copies of GH3 on the PS3 and regret it...) I'm not a fanboy of any kind and DONT WANT ANY FANBOY CRAP IN HERE!!! I just want an honest comparison based on what we know so far thanks!

[R0ck3r]

PS3 seems to be having a problem with the GH3 controller so you will end up having a 3-man band until 2008. Other than that, your choice.

[icantwaitforrockband]

get it for whatever console most of your friends have. The you can play online with them...

[OrdealByFire]

360 For Le Win.

[Nazriel]

Well, for pure facts, we have the following:

Between the two systems, the only difference is that the 360 guitar is wired
(with a wireless forthcoming early next year/coming months)

whereas the PS3 comes with a wireless guitar, which uses a dongle. We do not know if it performs better/worse/the same as GHIII's dongle.

That's it. That is the only practical difference I have seen anywhere in all of the coverage I have gone over. Both sides will have downloadable content and wired drums and mics.

Period. :)

[Reaper2099]

PS3 has wireless guitars

360 has a wired guitar with a USB hub

Other than that they will just about identical, depends on what your friends are getting if you want to play online with them . . .

[hardyfoster]

from what i know and have heard from others

if you plan on being online alot, xbox live is better.

as far as system specs and such. ps3 is better. there is a learning curve for developers to learn the new system though. and it takes a while to make a game. if developers make a game but don't use all the ps3 power, then it will be a typical game. if they do use all the tools available to them, the games will be awesome.

it also depends on what you like. i got a ps3 cuz there are some ps2 games i like. i'm not worried about online, cuz sony leaves the online up to the developers which i think is cool. xbox 360 is probably ok, but there aren't any games on it i am interested in.

do a search and see what ps3 games are coming out for 2008 as well as xbox 360 and make your choice there. i think some good stuff is coming out for ps3 in the future with more and better stuff as they learn how to access the system.

no i'm not a fanboy either. i don't care about which system does what. as long as it plays the games i'm interested in, it could be on intellivision for all i care.

[icantwaitforrockband]

360 For Le Win.

and your reason is?

[Qweets]

I'll try and give you my most unbiased opinion, I'm an owner of a 360 and a Wii, I had been a huge sony follower for a long time but I didn't get a PS3, I believe the online era belongs to the 360 and I believe the console is a lot better than its competition, every game to date that has come out for both the 360 and PS3 the 360 has always done something better performance or graphics wise, technically the ps3 should be pushing better graphics and everything but its not. There are far more people on XBlive then on the PSN, thats due to the fact that A LOT more people own 360's. If you're concerned with online play at all I would definitely get a 360. There is just nothing out that would warrant me buying a PS3 for any reason. Now for the rockband side of things It could go either way really, PSN hasn't been that great with DLC for games from what I've heard so I'd get rockband on the xbox as well. May sound like a fanboy in this but its just the fact that ps3 hasn't been doing to well at all.

[OrdealByFire]

I'll try and give you my most unbiased opinion, I'm an owner of a 360 and a Wii, I had been a huge sony follower for a long time but I didn't get a PS3, I believe the online era belongs to the 360 and I believe the console is a lot better than its competition, every game to date that has come out for both the 360 and PS3 the 360 has always done something better performance or graphics wise, technically the ps3 should be pushing better graphics and everything but its not. There are far more people on XBlive then on the PSN, thats due to the fact that A LOT more people own 360's. If you're concerned with online play at all I would definitely get a 360. There is just nothing out that would warrant me buying a PS3 for any reason. Now for the rockband side of things It could go either way really, PSN hasn't been that great with DLC for games from what I've heard so I'd get rockband on the xbox as well. May sound like a fanboy in this but its just the fact that ps3 hasn't been doing to well at all.
Sounds just like me. I have a Wii and 360 too. I haven't played my Wii in months... anyway yeah good post. PS3 just doesn't compete with the 360 as far as online capabilities. Sony has little experience. Big deal, $50 a year for Xbox Live. It's well worth it. PS3 has free online for a reason.

[icantwaitforrockband]

I'll try and give you my most unbiased opinion, I'm an owner of a 360 and a Wii, I had been a huge sony follower for a long time but I didn't get a PS3,

that statement basically says you're biased. I'd rather take the opinion of someone who has 360 AND PS3.


..you did make some valid points though..

[toefer]

I'll try and give you my most unbiased opinion, I'm an owner of a 360 and a Wii, I had been a huge sony follower for a long time but I didn't get a PS3, I believe the online era belongs to the 360 and I believe the console is a lot better than its competition, every game to date that has come out for both the 360 and PS3 the 360 has always done something better performance or graphics wise, technically the ps3 should be pushing better graphics and everything but its not. There are far more people on XBlive then on the PSN, thats due to the fact that A LOT more people own 360's. If you're concerned with online play at all I would definitely get a 360. There is just nothing out that would warrant me buying a PS3 for any reason. Now for the rockband side of things It could go either way really, PSN hasn't been that great with DLC for games from what I've heard so I'd get rockband on the xbox as well. May sound like a fanboy in this but its just the fact that ps3 hasn't been doing to well at all.

Xbox live is certainly better, but you'd expect that for paying for it. With RB though, I don't think it really helps at all. You log into the online portion of the game through the actual game, so I don't see how there is a significant advantage on one system vs another. The only difference, I would guess, is that there will be more people on the 360, so you have more potential people to play with.

As for the games, its one thing to say this now, when games are made on the 360 and ported (for better or worse) to the PS3. If you knew about the systems, you'd realize that a simple port just isn't going to cut it on the PS3 and that this doesn't mean the PS3 just can't handle what the 360 can. Instead, to utilize the SPUs effectively, a properly ported game requires a lot of re-writing/tooling etc., and some don't see that as being very efficient, when they can pump out a half-assed port, and still sell copies. There was an article online that I read the other day mentioning that more games are going to start being developed on the PS3, and ported to the 360 (with Haze being the first significant one to come to mind). Expect inferior 360 versions on all of those games.

And please, stop saying the PS3 isn't doing well at all, just because this is what you want to believe. It's been out for barely a year now, and has sold 5.6 million units. Maybe that's not as many as you or Sony hoped, but its as many (if not more) as the 360 sold in its first year. If you go back to November 2005, MS was predicting/hoping to sell 10 million units in its first year, so by that standard, the 360 was a failure/didn't do well.

[Patch_]

I'm going to be honest here.
XBL is better then PSN at the moment, live has been up 5 years and PSN has been up 1, however, if you look at the firmware then you'll see that PSN and the PS3 are growing into something very nice, you've got home coming soon, etc, etc.

You might hear "XBL will get DLC first" yeah, lets look at GHIII DLC, XBL got it a few hours before PSN, whoo. So we'll be getting DLC the same day and to be honest I like using money, not points.
You might here "PSN IS TEH LAG" yeah, also wrong.

I'm getting the game for PS3, I want wireless, I love PSN, that's where my friends are and I know we'll get the DLC on the same day, I look forward to home, yes launch rockband from Home, it will be nice. It's up to you man, XBL is great but that "PSN IS LAGGY, that's why it's free" "It won't get the same DLC as XBL" is all crap.
XBL is great and PSN is great, the edge goes to XBL for now but that will change within 3-6 months.
My 2 cents, love both systems. The 360 and PS3 will both receive quality product.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Sounds just like me. I have a Wii and 360 too. I haven't played my Wii in months... anyway yeah good post. PS3 just doesn't compete with the 360 as far as online capabilities. Sony has little experience. Big deal, $50 a year for Xbox Live. It's well worth it. PS3 has free online for a reason.

Ok well since we are comparing the two I will give my honest unbiased opinion too. I'm an owner of the Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, and Sony PS3. I owned all three of these systems in that order. I was a huge PS2 and Xbox fan, but I drifted toward Xbox because it was an excellent machine. I camped outside for the Xbox 360 and I was so excited to get it thanks to the Xbox. I had it for almost a year and I got the red lights. I sent back the console and they sent me a "new" one. Two weeks later, that Xbox 360 got the red lights. I was starting to get really frustrated. After I got the "new" system shipped back to me, it still has problems every now and then. After talking with Microsoft for numerous hours about fixing my Xbox 360, I didn't like their attitude at all. They were very rude to me on the phone and I was starting to say forget this machine. I waited for a while and bought the PS3 because I was interested in it and there were some good games out at the time (Resistance, Ninja Gaiden Sigma). I bought this machine and I can honestly say I've never had a problem with it. It has worked flawlessly and it has a lot of cool features about it. It is more powerful than the Xbox 360, even though it hasn't been pushed to the limit yet. But recent games have showed the future and graphics power of the PS3 (Heavenly Sword, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed). The online is definitely not as good as Xbox live, but when PS3 home comes out and everything is revamped, it will be better than Xbox live. I've had Xbox live for about 6 years now and it's been good but there have been many issues. There is SO much lag online these days (Halo 3 is ridiculous with this) and the service isn't really that interesting anymore. Sure, Xbox arcade is cool but everything is over-priced. Sony online doesn't have as much lag as Xbox live. I played Call of Duty 4 on the PSN and haven't gotten one single laggy game yet. There are a wave of good games coming out for the PS3, it's a blu-ray player (the future), and it has built in wireless internet. I do like all of the systems, but I believe that the PS3 is a better machine and it has better hardware. Sony has been messing up, but with this price drop and the wave of titles coming I think they will bounce back.

That's my honest opinion and I am not a fan boy in any way.
If you have anymore questions about my post, just ask me.

[jq715861]

A really big opinion

I agree with everything you said. Before I sunk 600-800 dollars into a system, games, and accessories I did some research.

I chose the PS3 for several reasons but reliability was the biggest reason. Between the two close friends I know that have 360's they've gone through 7 between them. Thats terrible.

But back to the point of this post, the only difference between the two is the wired and wireless guitar. And it's not like the PSN only has four dozen people on it. It has plenty of people where you will never have to worry about finding a people to play with.

[mltdwn]

SO much lag online these days (Halo 3 is ridiculous with this)

You do realise that most of the game lag (especially in the case of H3) is caused by DOS attacks on the servers by people attempting to cheat right? And usually within about a month of release the lag completely disappears as they perma-ban the offenders... I get next to no lag in H3 anymore and haven't since about 2 weeks into release. You won't get that kind of service with the PSN, as obvious from all of the rampant cheating that takes place on their previous games.

And only one person I know IRL has had to replace their 360, and that was after having it nearly 2 years. I've had mine since release, it's been knocked over and dropped by 2 young children over the ensuing time and never once has it given me trouble. It's fairly random on if you got one or not, and regardless the warranty is good for 5 years on them now.

[OrdealByFire]

I agree with everything you said. Before I sunk 600-800 dollars into a system, games, and accessories I did some research.

I chose the PS3 for several reasons but reliability was the biggest reason. Between the two close friends I know that have 360's they've gone through 7 between them. Thats terrible.

But back to the point of this post, the only difference between the two is the wired and wireless guitar. And it's not like the PSN only has four dozen people on it. It has plenty of people where you will never have to worry about finding a people to play with.that's just terrible luck. i've had my 360 since 7-24 of last year and I've had zero problems, and I play it a LOT.

[jq715861]

that's just terrible luck. i've had my 360 since 7-24 of last year and I've had zero problems, and I play it a LOT.

Yeah, it's terrible luck. But we are all college kids and can't really afford to own multiple systems, so they went with one, and unfortunately for the near future they are stuck with it. And it appears you are one of the lucky ones who hasn't any any problems.

Hope it stays that way. :D

[OrdealByFire]

Yeah, it's terrible luck. But we are all college kids and can't really afford to own multiple systems, so they went with one, and unfortunately for the near future they are stuck with it. And it appears you are one of the lucky ones who hasn't any any problems.

Hope it stays that way. :D

watch. you just jinxed me.

[ChaosElement]

Lol at the ignorance of the 360 fanboys. It's bliss eh?

[iNiGhTmAr3]

You do realise that most of the game lag (especially in the case of H3) is caused by DOS attacks on the servers by people attempting to cheat right? And usually within about a month of release the lag completely disappears as they perma-ban the offenders... I get next to no lag in H3 anymore and haven't since about 2 weeks into release. You won't get that kind of service with the PSN, as obvious from all of the rampant cheating that takes place on their previous games.

And only one person I know IRL has had to replace their 360, and that was after having it nearly 2 years. I've had mine since release, it's been knocked over and dropped by 2 young children over the ensuing time and never once has it given me trouble. It's fairly random on if you got one or not, and regardless the warranty is good for 5 years on them now.

Lol Halo 2 had as much if not more cheating than any game on PSN, including Socom 1 and 2.
There will never be a lag free or cheat free Halo 3. No one has anything better to do on Halo than to cheat. Halo 1 will always be the best Halo game out of all three of them and it took the most skill to play. I played Halo since day one, and Halo 3 killed it for me thanks to noob-ish weapons and crappy maps.

[Ninegauger]

I'd imagine the lag in Xbox Live might be caused by it having more users?

I'd go with the 360 for Achievements, a wired guitar (no batteries to worry about)... also at basically every show (the tour, E3, etc...) it's been shown on the 360 which leads me to believe that the PS3 one is a port and those have always been bad to the PS3...

I mean, clearly I'm biased because I haven't even bought a PS3 but if I had both I imagine that would be my reasoning... plus, I already have the Explorers lying around for bass.

[jq715861]

Lol at the ignorance of the 360 fanboys. It's bliss eh?

I hate fanboyism regardless of what system is for. This is why I stay away from comments on video game websites unless I need a good laugh. It's hard to find a place to get information about something that is not completely biased one way or the other. Even my local video game store is so pro-360 it's not even funny.

They actually call me "The PS3 guy" because apparently in a city that has 100,000 people and not really the highest average income I'm the only person who has a PS3 there. At least I know they'll never be sold out of a PS3 game. Whoo Rock Band. :D

[ChaosElement]

I'd imagine the lag in Xbox Live might be caused by it having more users?

I'd go with the 360 for Achievements, a wired guitar (no batteries to worry about)... also at basically every show (the tour, E3, etc...) it's been shown on the 360 which leads me to believe that the PS3 one is a port and those have always been bad to the PS3...

I mean, clearly I'm biased because I haven't even bought a PS3 but if I had both I imagine that would be my reasoning... plus, I already have the Explorers lying around for bass.

1. No. It's because it's not based on dedicated servers, apart from select games.

2. Achievements < Home Trophies IMO

3. Ever heard of sponsors? Microsoft sponsored Rock Band and Harmonix at E3 and they were developing the PS3 version at the time of the tour. It's gone gold and they're both identical.

4. Yes, you are biased.

[mltdwn]

Lol Halo 2 had as much if not more cheating than any game on PSN, including Socom 1 and 2.
There will never be a lag free or cheat free Halo 3. No one has anything better to do on Halo than to cheat. Halo 1 will always be the best Halo game out of all three of them and it took the most skill to play. I played Halo since day one, and Halo 3 killed it for me thanks to noob-ish weapons and crappy maps.

Um there was? I was honestly never in a Halo2 game where I saw any kind of obvious cheating (and I normally come in the top 3 so it would be fairly obvious to me). Ever think maybe you were just getting pwned by a superior player? I notice how good players tend to also be constantly accused of cheating when they consistantly win.

And by cheating, it is fairly obvious if someone is using a wall hack (due to pre-fire), speed hack, or something of the like. At least I never saw any of that in Halo 2, and only occasionally in H3 (though they all disappeared shortly there after).

[ChaosElement]

Um there was? I was honestly never in a Halo2 game where I saw any kind of obvious cheating (and I normally come in the top 3 so it would be fairly obvious to me). Ever think maybe you were just getting pwned by a superior player? I notice how good players tend to also be constantly accused of cheating when they consistantly win.

And by cheating, it is fairly obvious if someone is using a wall hack (due to pre-fire), speed hack, or something of the like. At least I never saw any of that in Halo 2, and only occasionally in H3 (though they all disappeared shortly there after).

You not experiencing it =/= No cheating in it

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Um there was? I was honestly never in a Halo2 game where I saw any kind of obvious cheating (and I normally come in the top 3 so it would be fairly obvious to me). Ever think maybe you were just getting pwned by a superior player? I notice how good players tend to also be constantly accused of cheating when they consistantly win.

And by cheating, it is fairly obvious if someone is using a wall hack (due to pre-fire), speed hack, or something of the like. At least I never saw any of that in Halo 2, and only occasionally in H3 (though they all disappeared shortly there after).

LOL. You must've been playing team training or something. Are you serious right now? Lol ask any good Halo 2 player about how much cheating there was in Halo 2. Hmm how about boosting, stand-bying, bridging, modding, should I go on? I rarely was beaten by a superior player and you can check my career stats on Halo 2 if you want. Hell, check my games and see how many pros I played with back in the day.


Get back to the topic on-hand here about Rock Band.

End of conversation.

[mltdwn]

You not experiencing it =/= No cheating in it

Well like I said, I never saw it, no one I know ever saw it... There is no articles in any of the gaming rags or sites about it (and Arstechnica is usually pretty good about bringing up cheating type stuff, and you would think MyG0t would have mentioned about it on their site), basically all I have is you and iNight's "personal" experiences with it. Hardly making for "reliable evidence" of cheating, much less the rampant cheating that would be required to out do socom.

AND iNight I am just continuing your conversation on which is better the PS3 or 360 for the game. One of the things was PSN would be better... Hard to believe when:

1. it is free (you get what you pay for)

and

2. It has evidence of major security flaws which allow cheating.

[DannyBoy]

I bought it for PS3 becuase my 360 has broken on me once. I got a refurb unit, and I'm sure its a matter of time since it will die. HOwever, since I have GH3 for PS3, my 360 hasn't turned on in over a month.

So the gh3 guitar doesn't work with Rock Band on PS3? Thats some real ****, if so.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Well like I said, I never saw it, no one I know ever saw it... There is no articles in any of the gaming rags or sites about it (and Arstechnica is usually pretty good about bringing up cheating type stuff, and you would think MyG0t would have mentioned about it on their site), basically all I have is you and iNight's "personal" experiences with it. Hardly making for "reliable evidence" of cheating, much less the rampant cheating that would be required to out do socom.

AND iNight I am just continuing your conversation on which is better the PS3 or 360 for the game. One of the things was PSN would be better... Hard to believe when:

1. it is free (you get what you pay for)

and

2. It has evidence of major security flaws which allow cheating.


K well here's an article if you're interested. My "evidence" of the amount of cheating in Halo 2 lol.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/26/2035200

Or, you can google Halo 2 cheating.



Here is another little source:

Xbox Live updates

A common complaint regarding Halo 2's online play has been the widespread cheating, which began occurring almost immediately after the game's release. Users exploited bugs in the game and vulnerabilities of the network to win ranked games and thus increase their matchmaking rank.[37]

Some players used "standbying" to cheat, in which the player hosting the game intentionally presses the standby button on his or her modem; this results in all players except the cheaters freezing in place. This way, the cheater would be given time to accomplish an objective in the game. "Dummying" involves using an Elite character and a vehicle, exploiting a glitch which would cause a doppelganger of the player to appear. Cheating also includes softmodding, in which a player uses devices such as Action Replay and computer programs to gain unfair advantages, and bridging, which uses computer programs to give a player 'host' status, and therefore the ability to disconnect other players from the game session.

Many players became frustrated and demanded that Bungie create solutions to the widespread cheating. In response to these complaints, Bungie released an automatic, mandatory update for Halo 2 on Monday, April 18, 2005, which eliminated many of the bugs and cheats. In addition, the update reduced the split-screen HUD information, and rebalanced certain weapons to promote use of single-wield weapons, grenades, and melee attacks over dual-wielding. For example, the melee attacks and grenades were made more powerful than they previously were, and the battle rifle now shoots more accurately. Bungie maintains a full list of updates.

A game exploitation called "superbouncing" or "superjumping" is labeled cheating by many in the Xbox Live community, and Bungie employees have described it as cheating when used in Matchmaking.[38] Another group of glitches, which involve the use of certain button combinations, has similarly been described as cheating by both fans and Bungie employees.[39] Despite the condemnations by Bungie employees, players still dispute whether or not superjumping and the use of button combinations is cheating.

Halo 2 supports downloadable content, which allows for new multiplayer maps to be retrieved offline. Four maps were made available to download for a fee on April 25, 2005; in subsequent weeks, five new maps were also made available for free on Xbox live. The Multiplayer Map Pack was also released on that date, as an alternative for those who did not have Xbox Live.

Another update was released in July 2005 (a week after the release of the map pack). The update added a detection tool that would automatically detect and ban modders using modified Xbox's. Modified versions of the downloadable maps allow people to use cheats such as auto aim and automatic reload during matches on Xbox Live. Any players who are detected using modified content are automatically banned from matchmaking on Xbox Live within six hours. Anyone who knowingly and willingly plays with modders is banned from matchmaking. Online matchmaking was updated again in June 2006. This update removed several game playlists, and made other changes within existing playlists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_2

Made BY the people and Wikipedia.

[ChaosElement]

Well like I said, I never saw it, no one I know ever saw it... There is no articles in any of the gaming rags or sites about it (and Arstechnica is usually pretty good about bringing up cheating type stuff, and you would think MyG0t would have mentioned about it on their site), basically all I have is you and iNight's "personal" experiences with it. Hardly making for "reliable evidence" of cheating, much less the rampant cheating that would be required to out do socom.

AND iNight I am just continuing your conversation on which is better the PS3 or 360 for the game. One of the things was PSN would be better... Hard to believe when:

1. it is free (you get what you pay for)

and

2. It has evidence of major security flaws which allow cheating.

I don't play Halo. I was just being logical.

Although please enlighten me on

1.

and 2.

by explaining what you mean.

[Fatal1ty_Reaper]

Thanks, this is just what I was looking for. I have both a PS3 and a 360 so it doesn't matter to me which console I get it on. If the PS3 Les Pauls worked on RB (seems sketchy right now) I'd most likly get this on the PS3 but I think I'll go for the 360 version do to the better established online and since I have a lot of LIVE friends thanks to countless hours of Gears of War.

[mltdwn]

I don't play Halo. I was just being logical.

Although please enlighten me on

1.

and 2.

by explaining what you mean.

Uh easy:

PSN is free, XBox Live is not... You get what you pay for, which is a simple fact. Due to paying for the service MS also takes it upon themselves to run all the connecting servers, scan your game packets to verify there is no cheating, etc. If you do cheat it is generally a matter of just a week or so (as they do it in batches) before the HW key on your Xbox/360 is perma-banned from ever getting on Live (and I have actually had one insta-banned on me when I forgot to turn off my mod chip before trying to play a game on live on my old XBox).

As for 2, PSN is well known for having security problems with the coding, and Sony is known not to check packets to verify integrity. Every couple of months Ars, or one of the other tech/gaming sites runs articles about whatever the latest hack is doing to the PSN network or how it is effecting games (i.e. the rampant Socom hacking on the original PS2). Where as there is pretty much zero articles from any news groups about hacking on Live! and it usually has the fact in it that MS is aware of it and is just building a large list first so they can get them all banned at once (i.e. the Halo 3 cheating: http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/31/major-nelson-thou-shall-not-share-or-tamper-thy-xbox-live-account
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/22/its-coming-bungie-is-getting-the-halo-3-ban-hammer-ready)

You won't see Sony doing anything like that. Hell look at EoJ and the fact that you can immediatly give yourself every card so long as you have a decent printer. While those who do it the legitamate way are screwed. Home has also been pushed back till next year and it is largely going to be used as a sales/revenue generator for Sony by flooding you with advertisements for everything from games, to new tvs and dvd players, rather than the LIVE! killer.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Uh easy:

PSN is free, XBox Live is not... You get what you pay for, which is a simple fact. Due to paying for the service MS also takes it upon themselves to run all the connecting servers, scan your game packets to verify there is no cheating, etc. If you do cheat it is generally a matter of just a week or so (as they do it in batches) before the HW key on your Xbox/360 is perma-banned from ever getting on Live (and I have actually had one insta-banned on me when I forgot to turn off my mod chip before trying to play a game on live on my old XBox).

As for 2, PSN is well known for having security problems with the coding, and Sony is known not to check packets to verify integrity. Every couple of months Ars, or one of the other tech/gaming sites runs articles about whatever the latest hack is doing to the PSN network or how it is effecting games (i.e. the rampant Socom hacking on the original PS2). Where as there is pretty much zero articles from any news groups about hacking on Live! and it usually has the fact in it that MS is aware of it and is just building a large list first so they can get them all banned at once (i.e. the Halo 3 cheating: http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/31/major-nelson-thou-shall-not-share-or-tamper-thy-xbox-live-account
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/22/its-coming-bungie-is-getting-the-halo-3-ban-hammer-ready)

You won't see Sony doing anything like that.

Please refer to my other post.

Here's another link which I think is a very reliable source:

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/content.aspx?link=h2cheating

[ChaosElement]

Uh easy:

PSN is free, XBox Live is not... You get what you pay for, which is a simple fact. Due to paying for the service MS also takes it upon themselves to run all the connecting servers, scan your game packets to verify there is no cheating, etc. If you do cheat it is generally a matter of just a week or so (as they do it in batches) before the HW key on your Xbox/360 is perma-banned from ever getting on Live (and I have actually had one insta-banned on me when I forgot to turn off my mod chip before trying to play a game on live on my old XBox).

As for 2, PSN is well known for having security problems with the coding, and Sony is known not to check packets to verify integrity. Every couple of months Ars, or one of the other tech/gaming sites runs articles about whatever the latest hack is doing to the PSN network or how it is effecting games (i.e. the rampant Socom hacking on the original PS2). Where as there is pretty much zero articles from any news groups about hacking on Live! and it usually has the fact in it that MS is aware of it and is just building a large list first so they can get them all banned at once (i.e. the Halo 3 cheating: http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/31/major-nelson-thou-shall-not-share-or-tamper-thy-xbox-live-account
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/10/22/its-coming-bungie-is-getting-the-halo-3-ban-hammer-ready)

You won't see Sony doing anything like that. Hell look at EoJ and the fact that you can immediatly give yourself every card so long as you have a decent printer. While those who do it the legitamate way are screwed.

Yoi're making a point on PSN on the PS3, but using Socom on the PS2 as evidence?

Riiiiight.

Eye of Judgement isn't your standard online FPS such as Halo. Don't even try to use it as an example when you're using Halo as a fallback to your original argument


I'd rather not pay than pay for something that should be free. Microsoft's servers are not dedicated, except for when few developers implement them into their games, whereas Sony's are. I'd rather take lag-free dedicated servers over p2p anyday

[SmokaCola]

I have a 360, online is pretty good. The main reason I didn't go out and get the PS3 because it didn't have any games on it. If I would of known about RB I'd probably have a PS3 right now. Honestly, I'm glad I didn't get that PS3 because in time I learned that it doesn't pay to be a fanboy, I went out and got the 360 because it had a good ammount of games and I wanted to do something different (I had the PS2 way before my first xbox). The 360 is definitely a good system and the only time anyone really cheats is with glitches, but they usually get banned quick if it's a popular game or the game gets updated.

With the PS2/Ps3 online it's a bit different, it's a lot easier to cheat for people online and if they get banned they'll just make a new account fast, because it's free that's where it gets hurt. I rather get a free account banned than one I'm paying for. Really you need to just go with what system your friends have weither it be online or off, because then you could borrow games and such :p

Anyways, the 360 is a nice system and the PS3 is too. And I'll tell you straight up, if you're just looking for RB and that's it. Go with the PS3, if you want RB and plan on getting a lot of games go with the 360. I think I did the smarter thing by avoiding the PS3 because I'm waiting until next year or after next year to buy one. By that time it'll have some pretty amazing games,HOME, and I won't have to worry about the crappy six-axis (I hate that controller and YES I have played with it).

[mltdwn]

Yoi're making a point on PSN on the PS3, but using Socom on the PS2 as evidence?

Riiiiight.

Eye of Judgement isn't your standard online FPS such as Halo. Don't even try to use it as an example when you're using Halo as a fallback to your original argument


I'd rather not pay than pay for something that should be free. Microsoft's servers are not dedicated, except for when few developers implement them into their games, whereas Sony's are. I'd rather take lag-free dedicated servers over p2p anyday

Um the game servers for PSN aren't dedicated, and they never have been. Thus the reason they don't charge. All Live! games go across MS's servers at some point via routing, it is the way it is designed to work. Take Shadowrun (I know suckey game) it may not use MS's servers but the LIVE! system forces all packets to go across their network in the process allowing them to track and filter them for things like chipping, additional code, etc.

And the reason I use EoJ is because there just isn't that many games on the PS3 yet that are really played online except for EoJ. I mean come on... the PS3 has consistantly sold less than 1/2 of what the 360 has been selling (740k PS3s sold in the first 6 months of this year as opposed to 1.4 million 360s, and 2.2 Million Wiis). Add in the fact that last week they essentially admited to being stupid about the HD DVD wars and if they had their ruthers they would not have created Blu-Ray, the 360 began outselling the PS3 in Japan, and 2 weeks ago they announced losses of $847 million from their games group, and pretty much every exclusive they used to have has been lost to the 360 and are usually considered better in the 360 format. While yes, the PS3 is one awesome piece of kit the price just doesn't justify it. I would rather have a known good than something which it's company can barely keep above water... $400+ i an awful lot to drop on the equivalent of an 80's betamax.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Um the game servers for PSN aren't dedicated, and they never have been. Thus the reason they don't charge. All Live! games go across MS's servers at some point via routing, it is the way it is designed to work. Take Shadowrun (I know suckey game) it may not use MS's servers but the LIVE! system forces all packets to go across their network in the process allowing them to track and filter them for things like chipping, additional code, etc.

[B]And the reason I use EoJ is because there just isn't that many games on the PS3 yet that are really played online except for EoJ. I mean come on... the PS3 has consistantly sold less than 1/2 of what the 360 has been selling (740k PS3s sold in the first 6 months of this year as opposed to 1.4 million 360s, and 2.2 Million Wiis). Add in the fact that last week they essentially admited to being stupid about the HD DVD wars and if they had their ruthers they would not have created Blu-Ray, the 360 began outselling the PS3 in Japan, and 2 weeks ago they announced losses of $847 million from their games group, and pretty much every exclusive they used to have has been lost to the 360 and are usually considered better in the 360 format. While yes, the PS3 is one awesome piece of kit the price just doesn't justify it. I would rather have a known good than something which it's company can barely keep above water... $400+ i an awful lot to drop on the equivalent of an 80's betamax.

Lol you really have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to bother with your statements because they are not accurate.

Some shooting games for PS3 because apparently they don't have ANY:
Resistance: Fall of Man
Rainbow Six Vegas
GRAW 2
Call of Duty 4
Warhawk
Half Life 2 (soon)
Unreal Tournament 3 (soon)
Haze (soon)


And PS3 has been selling more than the Xbox 360 in Europe and Japan

http://www.vgchartz.com/


K. Goodnight everyone!

[Fatal1ty_Reaper]

Woohoo... This became a fanboy rant raid anyways... Pathetic... Oh and Shadowrun isn't THAT bad... Anyways my question was answered, can we end this sad fanboy flame war, thread should be closed.

[Patch_]

Um the game servers for PSN aren't dedicated, and they never have been. Thus the reason they don't charge. All Live! games go across MS's servers at some point via routing, it is the way it is designed to work. Take Shadowrun (I know suckey game) it may not use MS's servers but the LIVE! system forces all packets to go across their network in the process allowing them to track and filter them for things like chipping, additional code, etc.

And the reason I use EoJ is because there just isn't that many games on the PS3 yet that are really played online except for EoJ. I mean come on... the PS3 has consistantly sold less than 1/2 of what the 360 has been selling (740k PS3s sold in the first 6 months of this year as opposed to 1.4 million 360s, and 2.2 Million Wiis). Add in the fact that last week they essentially admited to being stupid about the HD DVD wars and if they had their ruthers they would not have created Blu-Ray, the 360 began outselling the PS3 in Japan, and 2 weeks ago they announced losses of $847 million from their games group, and pretty much every exclusive they used to have has been lost to the 360 and are usually considered better in the 360 format. While yes, the PS3 is one awesome piece of kit the price just doesn't justify it. I would rather have a known good than something which it's company can barely keep above water... $400+ i an awful lot to drop on the equivalent of an 80's betamax.

What the living hell are you babbling about.
God I hate fanboys, I really do, they throw out stupid facts and expect people to just go along with it. I've been playing PS3 online a good long while now
RFOM, CoD4, EoJ, NHL, Motorstorm, Warhawk, etc, etc, no cheating, no problems.


would rather have a known good than something which it's company can barely keep above water... $400+ i an awful lot to drop on the equivalent of an 80's betamax.]
Known ? Known to have a 30% failrate ? I mean do you really want to go there ?
Do you want to look at the 360 launch and PS3 launch first year for both systems and see that they are the same, do you want to look at the fact in the first year devs said PS2 was too hard to work with ? The fact Blu-ray is doing very well ?

pretty much every exclusive they used to have has been lost to the 360
Yeah, the 360 hasn't lost exclusives, right ? :rolleyes:

Yeah, you talk but just throw out fanboy junk. Both systems are great, both systems have flaws.

You fail, hard. I hate jumping in fanboy wars because it makes us all look stupid but all this talking about how PS3 has a lot of cheating, no games, bad PSN has got to stop.

[Reaper2099]

console wars are so hilarious, I am ashamed to have been part of one. Hmmm, lets just add a little wood to the fire

ehem, Playstation 3 is just like MAC, while probably more impressive technically gets no love for its quirkiness and lack of games . . . . hehehehe

*runs, gets something to drink then takes a seat*

ehem, continue

[Apples]

You will have a grand time in RB regardless of your choice in next gen consoles. This topic has been debated to death... here and elsewhere.

Use the forum search or a google search for additional reading material.