screwdriver mod tutorial with pics

[logicalnoise]

ok so first get a standard size phillips head screw driver:
[img=http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/852/rb009ul0.th.jpg] (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rb009ul0.jpg)

Use your non standard hand to pull on the BLACK backing of the drum pad(not the silver ring). make enough room to slide the screwdriver in, don't just wedge in tehs crewdriver. The idea is to not leave any tool marks:
[img=http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/852/rb011gl6.th.jpg] (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rb011gl6.jpg)

Now still gently pulling with your hand find the closest post and slide the screwdriver next to it. and then apply some more force with the screwdriver. This should free the first rubber post:
[img=http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2965/rb013td8.th.jpg] (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rb013td8.jpg)

Now put the screwdriver down somewhere and find teh rest of posts and pull gently on each until they come free. Basically when you pull don't just yank on the plastic get your fingers where each post is and pull from there. when pulling on teh 4th and final post don't yank get ready to stop pull once it's free the small wire connecting teh sensor to the interface is pretty thin:

[img=http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2093/rb017kb9.th.jpg] (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rb017kb9.jpg)

ok now that you have the pad relatively free. grab your screw driver and get ready for some slight turning. If your pad is being activated by hitting other drum pads then the sensor is too loose. They need to be tightened. Go ahead and apply some force to one of teh screws(not a lot not a little). Make the screw about hand tight(DON'T OVERDO it! if you overtighten you can strip the threads or split the plastic). However if you drum is performing double hits or is drop hits the sensor may be too tight. This will be tricky. Loosen each screw by 1/4 turn. There's no science to this 1/4 turn should probably do it but the truth is you may have to pop the pad off again if it still has problems and keep finding a sweet spot. I've found that if the screw is hand tight it should be fine.
[img=http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5347/rb018yy7.th.jpg] (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rb018yy7.jpg)

SO after tweaking the screws line up the 4 rubber posts(make sure the wire is out of the way). Then gently push with your hole hand spread out over pad where the post would be and wait for it to snap on. Repeat for each post. Now go and test your hopefully fully working drums.

[davidshek]

It should be noted that those pics and instructions apply only to the new ####SL model drums.

You can find your model by looking underneath. Don't look at the big Harmonix sticker, that just says XBDMS2 (Xbox Drums 2). Your real model number will be in one of two places:

1) If it's an EL, it will be on a little metal plate at the junction of 2 pads.

2) If it's an SL, it will be inside the battery compartment.

[solclo]

Works. My crosstalking drumset now no longer crosstalks.

At all.

[v1g1lance1]

It should be noted that those pics and instructions apply only to the new ####SL model drums.

You can find your model by looking underneath. Don't look at the big Harmonix sticker, that just says XBDMS2 (Xbox Drums 2). Your real model number will be in one of two places:

1) If it's an EL, it will be on a little metal plate at the junction of 2 pads.

2) If it's an SL, it will be inside the battery compartment.


Mother F$%ker, wouldn't you know I have an SL set with double hits on the blue. Funny thing is that the double hits aren't obvious in practice mode, just when actually playing a song or using the drum trainer.

Will try this fix tomorrow. Thanks to the OP for instructions!

Ian

[PieNowOrNever]

k we got cross talkin issue solved now will someone solve the double hittin issues? and yes i tried this to fix my double hittin but it didnt help but i notice A LITTLE difference and i opened all 4 of them. but nice for makin it clear on how to open the pads.

[wrathloki]

I have an SL and I've tried several tightnesses on the screws but it's not helping me at all. For some reason I'm only getting this double hitting or crosstalking whenever I do a series of red/yellow, anything else is just fine, I don't get it at all, I'm exchanging them tomorrow.

[PieNowOrNever]

it does not fix double hittin issues only make it look a lil better and it SOULD fix cross talk issues from what i been reading

[KeWLMoNk]

My screws for Yellow and Blue were all super tight already - and I'm still getting cross talk .. so now what?

[crabjuice]

I got almost two full turns out of the yellow pad and about a 3/4 turn out of the blue pad. Completely fixed my severe crosstalk problem. Drums are now working awesome and amazingly accurate.

[crabjuice]

My screws for Yellow and Blue were all super tight already - and I'm still getting cross talk .. so now what?

sorry to hear that. That sucks. You're a 100% sure they're tight?

[KeWLMoNk]

Man, I really wish I could say this fixed my problem -i was so excited when I popped those drum heads off only to have my heart broken when I found that the screws were all in there nice n snug. Sigh...I hope I can still get an RMA :(

I'm so upset about this

Edit - Yes they were pretty tight. From what I've read out here it seems like the screws should be pretty easy to turn right? That was not the case with my Yellow or Blue screws.

[crabjuice]

Waiting for RMA sucks....

[sn3ak3rp1mp]

Will try this when I get home tonight, I'm glad someone tried *something* and posted, even if it may not work... so kudos to the OP.

Yes, waiting for the RMA process sucks... I really don't want to open the kit from a warranty standpoint but I figure it's worth a shot before cross-shipping and waiting.

I'm curious though, did they loosen during shipping? Is this just poor quality control? It's interesting this seems to only impact one of the two models of RB2 drum sets (i.e. crosstalk / loose screws). I wonder if the two sets are manufactured by different suppliers?

Cheers!
sn3ak3rp1mp

[KeWLMoNk]

Well, I have another Wireless Drum Kit that I haven't opened yet so I think I'll just replace the drum heads and see if the 2nd kit is any better than the first. If it's busted like my first set I will be extremely disappointed.... and.... oh yes.. I WILL post about it. Hmph.

[sn3ak3rp1mp]

Well, seems to have worked for me, but I may have moved my problem a little bit.

I removed the yellow and blue pads, as my original issue was crosstalk from blue -> yellow. I tightened EVERY screw I could see, not just the sensor screws (which were pretty much already tightened...) and replaced the pads.

I went into Weezer, Troublemaker on expert because there is a long section of blue+green+bass pedal notes about 2/3rd's of the way through. Yesterday, every time I hit this note combo (which regestered all three notes hit) it would also hit yellow due to crosstalk and therefore not allow a note streak. After tightening, no problem with this at all and I recieved my "Flawless Drumming" achievement!!! 100% notes hit!

However, only a 370 note streak... seemed like red was possibly registering double hits. I'll remove red and green and repeat the procedure, and loosen red if need be.

But right now, I'm WAY happier.

OP ....... THANK YOU! You helped me possibly save my RB2 set.

Cheers!
sn3ak3rp1mp

[Ardrikk]

Didn't work for me.

Had Yellow and Blue crosstalk and some double red hits out of the box. I think the yellow was having some occasional double hits, too.

Tried adjusting screws on yellow, blue, and red first a little bit and then later tightening them all up quite a bit.

Both times (loosening red a bit and tightening the other two) didn't solve the problem. And now I have constant double hits on yellow blue and red (maybe green, too, not certain on that....if so, it's more occasional).

It's bad to the point that I cannot keep a streak going on Eye of the Tiger or Maps....anything where you're doing a constant beat on yellow or blue. And on Maps, in the green and red sections it's breaking streak, too...though not certain if that's the red or green causing it.

I got the SL model today at Best Buy.

Now, the question is: Do I RMA these or do I just return them and save up for an ION set?

[PieNowOrNever]

i have SL model and i have double hit issue on red and RARELY on others i did this 2 days ago and it helped a little. Some sets are just flat out defective. and some sets may have hope. its still a good mod to try :)

[SoupRKnowva]

yeah i just tried it on the SL i just brought home, and it cut down the crosstalk a ton on the yellow pad, so id say give it a try

[bonethug0108]

Just a heads up to anyone trying this. I had double hits on the red so I loosened the screws a quarter turn. That did NOTHING.

I went back and loosened them alot and I noticed that one side of the orange thing wasn't in place. So I tightened them back to the recommend tightness, making sure the orange thing was on properly, and they seem to be working great.

So to anyone with double hits, I recommend loosening the screws a good bit and then tightening them to the recommended point in the original post.

Hope this helps.:)

[SinistarX]

It sure is disappointing to see that we're still dealing with instrument problems.

I picked up the RB2 drums yesterday, got them home, went into the trainer, and watched as my blue triggered every time I hit yellow dead center.

If I hit yellow anywhere outside the black center, blue didn't trigger.

Popping off blue and tightening didn't make a difference, so I took it off and actually loosened the screws (thinking that the vibration being carried to the sensor might decrease under less mount pressure). That seems to have helped quite a bit, but it's still not perfect.

[Domenic182]

Everytime I would hit my blue pad the yellow would go off, so I popped off the blue, tightened the screws a bit, and now no more cross talk!

Good mod, man, thank you.

[bonethug0108]

Update on my drums. There is still a double hit on the red every once in a while(maybe like 1 out of 100 hits), so I haven't gotten them perfect yet.

But they are working great. Much better than before I tried this(double hits on the red every 1 out of 10 hits maybe). Thanks again for posting this.:)

[tunermonkey]

Mine was triggering yellow any time when blue was hit, so I gave this a go with little luck. One thing I did notice was the adhesive pad for the senor (band-aid looking circle with a tab) wasn't centered on the yellow drum and was actually bunched up on one side.

I decided to take a chance and carefully removed the sensor, and even more carefully removed and reapplied that adhesive pad so it was perfectly center and flat. Reassembled and wouldn't you know it, cross-talk is 99% fixed. It still cross-talks a bit if you pound on the blue without mercy, but in the 5 songs I tried afterwards, I had ZERO crosstalk.

[Mithrandir88]

I just got my new set today and had the blue/yellow cross talk prob. Its amazing how 1 turn on 2 screws made all the difference.

[Psyrinx]

i guess im not having any luck w/ this... I can't really tell when playing if im having a double hit problem or the cross talking problem, this is kinda lame to have to do this :(

I'll just keep messing w/ it.

[Psyrinx]

Actually.. a temporary problem solver I was having w/ the Blue and Red was the registering the yellow, so with a quick screwdriver mod on all pads and i was still receiving the Cross talk from Blue and Red registering the Yellow.

So Solution.. my dad had come in there and put his thumb in the yellow pad between the bottom of the actually pad surface and the pad holder or slot whatever you prefer. Raising the pad up enough to only feel enough vibration when striking the yellow pad itself. It doesnt notice when im hitting the Blue or Red drum pads.
I wedged a folded piece of paper under the pad where my dad placed his thumb. I went back to the drum trainer and gave it a shot.
boom like 99% perfect as of now.
(lol 99% Perfect? oxymoron?)
Anyways give it a shot, but still make sure the Yellow (or pad registering during cross-talking works with that paper shoved in there)

The paper must be snug and wont move around.

[Brittinias]

Thank you for this thread! Just tightening the screws worked perfectly. I had previously read another thread which said to take the sensor out and put a little piece of paper or cotton in there and then re-tighten. It canceled the cross talk, but I was losing a lot of sensitivity on my yellow pad and I couldn't do really fast drum rolls without missing 1 or 2 notes.

This method worked much better, and simpler too! I just re-tightened the orange piece in my yellow pad and voila, no more cross talk and I got to keep my sensitivity high on my yellow pad too. The drums are now working 100% correctly now.

[wrathloki]

This didn't once work for me in the 6 defective sets I had, but the penny fix sure did wonders.

[mespo365]

I have a el works fine....but the center of the yellow pad is indented...where that center circle is.....I wanna take it off to see what's up but I can't really get the pad off please help!!!

[BigZ7337]

Here's my fix:
First off, I'm a good drummer with a RB1 career score over 10 million, and I've lost count of the drumsets I've run through (over 15). I was going to pick up the RB2 drums launch day, but for some reason no major electronics store was carrying them, and they were all told drums were releasing in October. I went to Game Stop, but they only had two sets, and they had sold them both before I got there.

Last night, on my weekly run to Blockbuster, I found out that they were selling both the RB2 drumset and the RB2 guitar. I went the next day and traded in a bunch of games for $80 ($32 for RB and $8 for last year's sport titles) for the drums. Once I got them home, I went to play a song and just did a quick warm-up triplet on the blue pad. I'm sad to say that the yellow drum also activated. The song then started, and with it being an easy song I just about fc'd it, excepting frustrated misses. Put it into scorehero and it was the lowest score on that song, even though people with much lower percentages were ahead of me.

There was a hell of a lot of cross-talking going on between the pads, and I was pissed. I diagnosed that hitting either the green or blue pad would randomly activate the yellow pad. I decided to open the drum up and take a look inside. It all looks good, pretty much exactly like a QM drumset, until I lift out the sensor. All drummers out there surely know the innards of the drumsets, and the QM's (arguably the best RB1 drumset with a simple modification) have a little rubber pad in between the piezo-electric sensor and the drum head. In the new RB2 drumset, all they have is a circle of that sticky band-aid type material they have around the sensor.

WTF?!?!

The only possible reason for this genius product development is that they thought the new softer/thicker drum heads would eliminate the cross-talk themselves. This is obviously not the case, and harmonix must not Q&A test the mass-produced hardware, or they were in too much of a rush to meet the month early 360 launch. This is the reason for the crosstalk, there is too much vibration in the set, and the center-most pads' sensors pick up other hits.

Now for my solution, when Harmonix had canceled their warranty system, I attempted mods on my qm set, which sadly lead to a casualty. However, the rubber spacers can now be scavenged for the new drumset. I just slapped the spacer in underneath the sensor and voila, no more cross-talk. The only side-affect is a slightly louder pad.

WTF Harmonix, WTF?

Edit for Pics:

New Band-Aid Spacer:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/BigZ7337/086-2.jpg

Old QM Spacer:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/BigZ7337/087.jpg

Oh and btw, this won't void your warranty, there's nothing that will provide proof the drums were tampered with. Also, most of my many, many returns had been opened for various reasons (mostly penny mod and swapping out pads/sensors) and I never had one problem with an RMA.

[uno1982]

was having same issues .... had a ea coffin headed my way already but was curious and took my pad off... sensor was off center near the blue pad and really loose... tightened and recentered and now my original set works perfectly fine :) ... hmm what should i do?

[SinistarX]

Tightening and loosening screws did nothing for my cross talk. I thought that making the bracket loose was helping, but more playing showed that to not be the case.

What I think was happening was that the bracket holding the sensor and spring in place was making contact with the drum well underneath. That means that vibration coming through the drums from hitting Yellow and using the bass pedal were being transferred directly to the bracket, thus triggering the Blue pad.

My fix was to cut a 1.5" long, 1/8" high piece of foam rubber and secure it to the back of the bracket with duct tape. This served as a buffer between the screws/bracket and the rest of the drum housing.

Hours of play testing have shown 0 cross talk. I'm a happy guy.

[uno1982]

yea i got my RMA drums today after returning 2 sets only to have to wait on EA's rma anyways... noticed some key improvements already... one the pipes fit more snug in the feet... they are actually a little larger to reduce vibration... the battery compartment is entirely different with spacers and actual rubber on the cover and not the foam type stuff so this is probably in response to the controller d/cing from the xbox after days of use jarring the batteries loose.... looks like they addressed most concerns before sending out rma's .... not really that they were ever out of em but i think they spent some time to get the sets right before sending them out... my old set was a 22808SL (inside battery on cover) and the new set with major improvements has no number on it so i uploaded some pictures for compairison http://www.duproductions.net/images/rb2drumsrma.jpg

btw you can slam on these bad boys with no crosstalk or battery issues :)

[Sifu]

Hello everyone. I just purchase RB2 with the new wireless drums and ran into all kinds of issues. I was so very stoked since this was an early BDay gift from the wife and really where else can I pretend I'm a drumming God?

We plugged it in and started playing. First thing that I noticed was the cross hitting. Checked this board and found this fix. Tried it and with my luck the same results. On top of this the damned drum set would konk out from time to time. Especially annoying when your trying to keep your multiplier going (bam bam bam bambam WTF I DIDN'T HIT BLUE!).

So I mustered up my MacGuyver skills and found an easy and stupid GETO rigged fix. I'd take pictures but honestly it's so explanitory words will be the only thing needed.

I pulled off the blue pad and stuffed tissue paper (yes $#!t roll) under the orange sensor. The vibration; no matter how loose/tight the screw was still would register the cross hit. By adding the extra padding it solved my issue of the cross hit (you could also pop off the lower left side rubber cork to eleviate the vibration). Problem solved.

Now getting back to the intermediate shutting off. I just *gasp* took some more tissue and opened up the battery cover, stuffed it so the batteries don't fall out and put the cover back on. BAM! Problem solved. Now I can go back to getting blisters on my hands and fantasizing about my drumming legend...

Hope that helps. If anything it's an easy fix to a very annoying issue...

[Camdog916]

So far after taking mine apart it works. I did accidentally pulled too hard and the wires came out but after mussing with it a little bit it worked. After reading and seeing uno's I am looking forward to the new drum set coming. I have an RMA for about three weeks and I hear that they should be going out sometime soon.

[Echo15]

I tried this mod and it didn't work.

I have the cross walk problem (where if you hit one pad it sets off that one and another) In my case when I hit any other pad that isn't blue, the blue gets set off as well.

Now I pulled off the blue pad, tightened it as much as I could, and this is still happening.

Now, do I have to tighten the others as well? Or is there something more I have to do.

I'm going to install a total new sensor that my friend has left over from his mods, but is there something else I could try before doing this?

[Echo15]

So upon further inspection, I took my blue pad off completely and disconnected the wire, hit my pads again and still, the blue hit.

So it's obviously something more than the sensor so I figure I'd have to take it back to the store (everything so they don't even check for tool marks and all) get the store credit, get a new set, and get out of there.

Hopefully I get a good set (but not likely).

If anyone else has any suggestions on what this problem might be, please feel free to tell me ^^

[Mancool89]

Can I do the same thing if I have an EL model?

thank you.

[jamesdeanny]

I had some serious double-hits on my yellow pad (I had no cross talk). The "screw" technique really didn't help, so I did something else and used some TP and now get ZERO double hits. Very simple method I came up with. You can read my post here http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112170