Anyone?! PS3 GH3 Les Paul INCOMPATIBLE with RB?!?!?!?!

[Mistersh0w]

Ok I know there's a thread on this topic already, but this needs to be addressed BIG TIME! And NOW! the ONLY reason why I bought CRAPhero 3 was so that I could have a BASS guitar for RB! Now we're hearing from a poster here who has RB, that NO combination of attempts at getting the Les Paul to work on the PS3 with RB, have been successful!!!! This is HORSERADISH! We have been told by MULTIPLE sources that ALL guitars compatible to each system WILL work with RB! Is it time for us PS3 owners to freak out?! Or is there some other early owner of RB for PS3 that can give a second opinion?! Ok, time to freak out!!! ARGH! DAMN YOU GUITAR HERO*!!! THEY HAVE THE LAST LAUGH!!! BAHHH!!

[ian2783]

That is the only reason I bought GH III as well. If you aren't going to have extra controllers at launch the other one should be compatible. UNACCEPTABLE!!

[milkman4591]

Sucks man, glad I don't have any douchebag friends coming over who would need a second guitar peripheral. All seriousness, I really hope you guys on the PS3 get a patch, you deserve a break once in a while :p totally j/k

Actually after thinking it over, why are you guys complaining here, either yell at Red Octane or Sony. Harmonix did everything they could to follow an open USB system so everything is compatible. The wireless was RO and Sony's idea, and if they're guitar aren't compatible it their fault, not HMX. It's not like they put **** in their game to limit you from using other peripherals.

[Sairynn]

Ok I know there's a thread on this topic already, but this needs to be addressed BIG TIME! And NOW! the ONLY reason why I bought CRAPhero 3 was so that I could have a BASS guitar for RB! Now we're hearing from a poster here who has RB, that NO combination of attempts at getting the Les Paul to work on the PS3 with RB, have been successful!!!! This is HORSERADISH! We have been told by MULTIPLE sources that ALL guitars compatible to each system WILL work with RB! Is it time for us PS3 owners to freak out?! Or is there some other early owner of RB for PS3 that can give a second opinion?! Ok, time to freak out!!! ARGH! DAMN YOU GUITAR *****-O!!!! THEY HAVE THE LAST LAUGH!!! BAHHH!!

You could always just play acoustically.

[MountainKing]

This definately needs to be addressed. I too am considering buying GH3 for the guitar.

I also know a few people who already have it with the intention of buying just the Rock Band disc and using the Les Paul to play.

Maybe HMX can comment. Would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance :)

[jaydajedi]

lol
"i love that song"
haha

[Mistersh0w]

Sucks man, glad I don't have any douchebag friends coming over who would need a second guitar peripheral. All seriousness, I really hope you guys on the PS3 get a patch, you deserve a break once in a while :p totally j/k

Ok the last thing this thread needs is a console flame war! I know you're kidding, but WE'RE RB'ers! RB transcends console rivalries! This is about ROCKING OUT! Not who's system deserves a break! But more importantly, this is about resolving a HUGE issue! This is the last nail in the GUITAR *****-O coffin! ARGH!

[ima747]

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it doesn't end up working. Given the backwards compatability problems between teh PS3 les paul and GH2 etc. Also GH3 is not made by harmonix so they have no control over the hardware or whatever. They have gone above and beyond by keeping RB compatable with the GH2 controllers when they could have just said "that's not our liscense any more, sory" which is what any other company would have done... amazing respect to harmonix for sticking to being pro-user in their designs and not just making an extra cash grab becasue they could get away with it. Doubly impressive given they're tied to MTV now and that fills me with dread, but they seem to be milking the relationship for their benefit so again, bravo.

I hope for you poor PS3 users they get a work around in but personaly I wouldn't hold my breath. The main reason there arn't as many problems with the 360 is because MS is so jackassy about their wireless etc that the 360 les paul is linked up with just a dongle that just turns it basicly into a standard USB controler like the wired version, rather than something PS3 specific with extra stuff in place to lock it to one game... just a theory but it would make sense.

[FlyinWhee]

Well, Harmonix said they were keeping the controller standards open, but if Red Octane made the controller "closed" on purpose, there's not much they could do until now.

[ian2783]

why would Red Octane make it open on 360 but not PS3?!?!

[Chris_Gonzalez]

I have bought GH3 and I'm intending on using it for the bass in Rock Band also. If it really can't be used, this will be one of the biggest let downs ever because I won't be able to play with a fourth person until next year.

[jaydajedi]

I dont see it as a big problem to be honest it didnt work that well with GH3
am i lieing?

[Mistersh0w]

If this turns out to be true, and Harmonix OVERLOOKED the compatibility with PS3 controllers, this will be a big EFF YOU! To Sony.... The system that launched GH, and made them famous!!

[Chris_Gonzalez]

I dont see it as a big problem to be honest it didnt work that well with GH3
am i lieing?

The Strat didn't work with Guitar Hero 3 on either system, but IGN, 1 Up, and other sources have stated that the Les Paul works with RB on both systems. I just think that it's a user issue instead of a controller issue with the guy who got his copy early, but I would like an official answer on this nonetheless.

[milkman4591]

why would Red Octane make it open on 360 but not PS3?!?!

Because they wanted to start a console war! Again J/K! and once again you guys definitely deserve a patch, it's not fair for one system to work and another's not to. Maybe it's the wireless tech?

[ian2783]

well i already have two full bands ready to come over on Tuesday night and try this out. This is insane if it works for 360 and not PS3. Harmonix please let us know WTF is going on!!!!

[ima747]

why would Red Octane make it open on 360 but not PS3?!?!

because MS made it too expensive to make it closed on the 360.

[Mistersh0w]

WELL PLAYED RED OCTANE!!! WELL PLAYED!!!!!!!:mad:

[Mistersh0w]

The problem is, we can't really contact Harmonix right away on this issue, because the game isn't even out yet!! Anyone else have the ps3 version here?

[milkman4591]

I dont see it as a big problem to be honest it didnt work that well with GH3
am i lieing?

QFT on that one. I love how Red Octane doesn't get any **** for the wireless detection being laggy or the neck not connecting right on their guitars, yet people are yelling at HMX about their guitars being "flimsy", when they haven't even come out and are probably basing their views on either what other people say or demo units. God I hate people sometimes haha.

[jaydajedi]

i'll just give my les pual to my 2 year old so he dont touch the strat

[BodhiWolff]

I'm so sorry to hear of your recent troubles with the GH3 controller. I myself recently purchased a GH2 controller specifically because I was worried that GH3 controllers wouldn't work with RB. I know that PS3 owners might not have access to the same options.

Harmonix has stated that they are using the GH2 open standards. GH2 controllers work with RB. They couldn't promise anything about GH3.

If Red Octane went with a "new" standard for their GH3 controllers (depending on consoles, Xbox vs. PS3 might be different), then the makers of GH3 might have done so to ...
a) make sure people play only with their controllers, not from other games (like Rock Band)
b) make sure people "upgrade" to new controllers from old games (so GH2 players must buy new controllers with their new games), meaning more money in their pockets upon game release, since nobody can purchase "just the game".
c) block future third party controllers made cheaper than licensed controllers

Frankly, from a certain perspective, it makes a draconian kind of business sense. Draw the lines, shore up your clients, and force people to play one game or another. Make them invest in controllers for one game or another, 'cause most people can't afford to invest in controllers for both.

Of course, this same model suggests that future GH products should also force future controller "upgrades".

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that GH4 requires GH4 guitars in order to work properly.

[jaydajedi]

lol
read the forum for gh3 thats all it is a big effin complaint
i'm givin the les pual to tommy and i'm using the disc for a coster
then i'm gonna use the box to hide my porn cuase it's not like my wife will ever play it again after tuesday.:)

[Mistersh0w]

...I love how Red Octane doesn't get any **** for the wireless detection being laggy or the neck not connecting right on their guitars, yet people are yelling at HMX about their guitars being "flimsy"...

Doesn't get any **** for having a crappy controller?!!? Dude, have you been to the GH3 forums?! There's HUNDREDS of threads on how ****ty the GH3 guitars are!! Both developers are getting **** for their products, and for the most part, the **** that Harmonix is getting for their controllers is not really warranted... Like you said, people are basing their ***** sessions on demos, which Harmonix have come out to say that the demo units are NOT representative of the retail versions we'll be gettting... With that said, there HAVE BEEN reviews from reputable sources, namely BIG video game review sites, that have stated the RB guitar is crappy. Take the IGN review for example... The point is, BOTH developers are getting **** for their hardware... which is kind of off-topic if you ask me.... meh.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Wow this would suck if the LP doesn't work with Rock Band. I have so many people in my dorms.

[okeygrak]

I happen to be that 'guy' who got the game early. I also, like you all, bough GH3 basically for the SOLE reason for having a bass. Both of my guitars work perfectly for their respective games, but I cannot get the GH3 controller working. Take in mind, that the IGN and other sites have been using pre-release builds of the games most likely running on PS3 dev-kits.

I am using the retail copy of Rock Band on a 60 GB PS3. I attached a photo for proof.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just wanted to inform everyone on here, in case they made the same mistake i did by buying gh3.

[Mistersh0w]

I happen to be that 'guy' who got the game early. I also, like you all, bough GH3 basically for the SOLE reason for having a bass. Both of my guitars work perfectly for their respective games, but I cannot get the GH3 controller working. Take in mind, that the IGN and other sites have been using pre-release builds of the games most likely running on PS3 dev-kits.

I am using the retail copy of Rock Band on a 60 GB PS3. I attached a photo for proof.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just wanted to inform everyone on here, in case they made the same mistake i did by buying gh3.

Don't worry dude, we just appreciate the info. As much as it sucks ass!! Does Harmonix read these forums?

[Paakaa10]

Truly, RedOctane, Activision, and Neversoft have turned me off from their new iterations of the Guitar Hero series. It will take a truly strong songlist to get me anywhere at all interested in the next installment after having to put up with boss battles, poor online support (as far as PS3 matchmaking goes, anyway), and an overall boring/frustrating setlist.

Essentially the only reason I shelled out the $100 for Guitar Hero III and the Les Paul was based on the "confirmation" that the guitar would work with Rock Band. Even then, it was only going to stand in as a controller until the release of the individual Strat controllers.

So the GH3 game itself was traded in for Assassin's Creed ($18.00 value plus $1.80 promotion bonus) and I just traded in the Les Paul today for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune ($20.00 value) at Gamestop. This information may be useful for those of you who will be doing the trade-in game.

Edit: For a little more "complain about Gamestop" fodder, the Les Paul was priced and put out on display for $39.99 before I had even left the store.

Now to decide if I'm going to buy a second bundle and keep the controller while selling the rest of the bundle pieces.

[milkman4591]

Doesn't get any **** for having a crappy controller?!!? Dude, have you been to the GH3 forums?! There's HUNDREDS of threads on how ****ty the GH3 guitars are!! Both developers are getting **** for their products, and for the most part, the **** that Harmonix is getting for their controllers is not really warranted... Like you said, people are basing their ***** sessions on demos, which Harmonix have come out to say that the demo units are NOT representative of the retail versions we'll be gettting... With that said, there HAVE BEEN reviews from reputable sources, namely BIG video game review sites, that have stated the RB guitar is crappy. Take the IGN review for example... The point is, BOTH developers are getting **** for their hardware... which is kind of off-topic if you ask me.... meh.

Actually I haven't been there, never could find the site (never looked hard though.) I was actually just a bit mad, and was speaking out of my ass :D Glad they catch **** though, they deserve to.

[Sairynn]

I happen to be that 'guy' who got the game early. I also, like you all, bough GH3 basically for the SOLE reason for having a bass. Both of my guitars work perfectly for their respective games, but I cannot get the GH3 controller working. Take in mind, that the IGN and other sites have been using pre-release builds of the games most likely running on PS3 dev-kits.

I am using the retail copy of Rock Band on a 60 GB PS3. I attached a photo for proof.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just wanted to inform everyone on here, in case they made the same mistake i did by buying gh3.

That picture just drives home how much nicer the RB guitar looks than the GH3 one. Also answers some size questions for people who were wondering. Does the neck look the same as the demo ones (i.e. like peach Fisher Price)?

[Mistersh0w]

So, any other ps3 RB early owners? And can anyone find a real source that says the ps3 LP works with RB?

[revert]

Like the other guys, I bought GH3 so that I could use the Les Paul as a bass for Rock Band. With Rock Band Pre-Ordered, I was under the impression from this forum and various other sources that the LP would be compatible. If it isn't, I will go mental. I just haven't got the cash for another guitar, and none of my bandmates have a PS3, so they won't be buying another guitar.

PLEASE HMX PLEASE can we get a YES or NO answer as to whether the Les Paul for PS3 is compatible with Rock Band, or as to whether there will be a patch sometime in the future that will allow LP compatability. Thanks.

[NotorietyH]

I say we make another banner, but this one for Red Octane and instead of word of thanks, we should try and think of the most creative insults possible.

Like others have said, the only reason I bought GHIII was to use the controller as the bass in Rock Band, I should've just ordered 2 RB bundles.

[admanimal]

If this turns out to be true, and Harmonix OVERLOOKED the compatibility with PS3 controllers, this will be a big EFF YOU! To Sony.... The system that launched GH, and made them famous!!

Blaming Harmonix for this is ridiculous. Harmonix has stated over and over that their game supports whatever the open guitar controller standards are. It's not their fault if Red Octane decided to make a guitar that didn't comply.

[dlisapussy]

You could always just play acoustically.

yea like in South Park's episode of "Guitar *****-o"

[revert]

Hang on. There is absolutely no reason at all why it shouldn't work. I just loaded up Resistance: Fall of Man and I can play it with my Les Paul. Which means you should be able to play ANY game with the Les Paul (to a certain extent, obviously). The only problem I can see is the button assignments, which colour will equate to which button on the controller. If this is the problem, it could be easily fixed with a patch.

[pntbllrspdr]

I really hope that Harmonix can work with Activision to get a patch out to fix this (assuming it's possible to fix). Otherwise we wouldn't be able to have a full offline band experience without buying 2 bundles...

[pntbllrspdr]

Hang on. There is absolutely no reason at all why it shouldn't work. I just loaded up Resistance: Fall of Man and I can play it with my Les Paul. Which means you should be able to play ANY game with the Les Paul (to a certain extent, obviously). The only problem I can see is the button assignments, which colour will equate to which button on the controller. If this is the problem, it could be easily fixed with a patch.

The person who told us it doesn't work, said it works to navigate menus, but it doesn't recognize it as a guitar, so it thinks it's a mic. Or something along those lines

[Chris_Gonzalez]

Wait, does this mean you also can't play with a regular SIXAXIS controller? That doesn't make sense....

[hankmallon]

Wait, does this mean you also can't play with a regular SIXAXIS controller? That doesn't make sense....

Those nervously paying $170 Tuesday for PS3 will soon find out.

Moreover, if this turns out true the REAL people getting screwed over are the people buying the stand alone game and not being able to play even single player. I'd say 9/10 buying stand alone are owners of GH3 looking for more tracks.

[GHudston]

We seriously need someone else with a ps3 copy to back this up or Harmonix to come in and say something.

I'm spending a great deal of money importing RB and even buying a new console to ensure that I can actually play it SOLELY to play with my friends, if one of them doesn't have an instrument to play for 3-4 months then it's a wasted exercise.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

Those nervously paying $170 Tuesday for PS3 will soon find out.

Moreover, if this turns out true the REAL people getting screwed over are the people buying the stand alone game. I'd say 9/10 are owners of GH3 looking for tracks.

I guess we will, but still. Even if it recognizes it as a regular controller, you should be able to play with it as a guitar. :-/

Also, why would they be selling just the game discs for the PS3 if the Les Paul or even a SIXAXIS wouldn't work?

[revert]

I found this if it helps...

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/electro+lemon/rock-band-compatibility-chart-i-ll-have-to-lean-on-someone-as-i-can-t-afford-a-les-paul-52404.phtml

This says it is compatible (only without special features).

[Chris_Gonzalez]

I found this if it helps...

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/electro+lemon/rock-band-compatibility-chart-i-ll-have-to-lean-on-someone-as-i-can-t-afford-a-les-paul-52404.phtml

This says it is compatible (only without special features).

That's a chart for everything.

And I hope said chart is right. I'm fine without using the special effects stuff with the Les Paul, just so long as I have a bass.

[Paakaa10]

I found this if it helps...

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/electro+lemon/rock-band-compatibility-chart-i-ll-have-to-lean-on-someone-as-i-can-t-afford-a-les-paul-52404.phtml

This says it is compatible (only without special features).

The only thing about this chart is that it is over two weeks old now and some of that information was based on supposed "confirmations" given by various websites and sources along the way. Even though we only have the one instance of a PS3 owner with the game and his attempts at using the Les Paul not working, I'm not about to discount that personal experience when weighing it against the reporting of a site like IGN.

Plus, should something happen for the Les Paul to start working with PS3 Rock Band, I'm going to have to head back to GameStop with my figurative tail between my legs and buy the used controller I just sold back this afternoon haha.

Edit: The real key in the whole situation is the compatibility between the Strat and Guitar Hero I and II anyway. If I can use the Strat with those games and finally use my PS3 to play without stupid gateway products, it will be worth waiting around for an individual Strat to be available for purchase. I already have one pre-ordered anyway.

[Quastor]

why would Red Octane make it open on 360 but not PS3?!?!

Simple, the PS3 has no precedence with guitar games. The 360 has GH2 and the X-Plorer, so both companies worked based on those already set standards to allow this guitar to still be compatible. Since this is the first guitar controller for the PS3, RO can get away with the big FU and use a method that isn't standard, there is no backwards compatibility to be concerned about.

I think everyone with a PS3 has a right to be upset... at Activision/RO. I think everyone knew when Activision bought RO that they were more interested in the "Guitar Hero" brand and milking it for all it's worth, rather than actually focusing on good music games. If that had been the case, they'd have gotten HMX instead.

My sympathies to everyone if this ends up turning out to be true.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

He cites Alex Rigopulos (a co-founder of Harmonix) as a source, Rodth of Red Octane, and Jay Gordon of Aspyr as sources, so I think it's quite a firm confirmation.

It still doesn't make sense that it wouldn't recognize the Les Paul, even if it says it's a standard controller. You can play GH3 with a regular controller, so why couldn't you play Rock Band with one? I'm pretty sure you can. :-\

[allegate]

If this turns out to be true, and Harmonix OVERLOOKED the compatibility with PS3 controllers, this will be a big EFF YOU! To Sony.... The system that launched GH, and made them famous!!

over-react much? why would HMX go out of their way to make the GH3 controllers work? I think you should be more upset at Activision/Red Octane as they're the companies that made the GH controller.

[Quinarvy]

This is why I waited to see if buying GH3 was worth it, cause RedOctane/Activision haven't exactly been kind to PS3 owners (See GH3 DLC)

[Catalytic]

Supposing that the LP will not work with RB, does anyone have a recommendation for a converter from a GH2 guitar for the PS2 to work with the PS3. I never found a review of a converter that worked 100% correctly. Has anyone purchased a converter that they are happy with. I, like many of you, purchased GH3 for the extra guitar, but if I could get a PS2 guitar and converter to work, that would not be overly expensive and would solve the problem for now. Anyone have a suggestion for a good converter?

This is of course assuming that a GH2 guitar with converter will work with RB which I am not sure if anyone knows.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

This is why I waited to see if buying GH3 was worth it, cause RedOctane/Activision haven't exactly been kind to PS3 owners (See GH3 DLC)

What do you mean? They've been just fine with it, except for that Exclusive pack. But with exclusives, it's the company that pays the most that gets it. Like how GTA 4 won't have any DLC on the PS3 because Microsoft paid quite a pretty penny (erm, a few) to make it happen.

The only thing that's gotten me mad about the DLC from RO is the lack of the Boss Battles up yet. But that might have been a submission error, or an error on Sony's part.

[Paakaa10]

He cites Alex Rigopulos (a co-founder of Harmonix) as a source, Rodth of Red Octane, and Jay Gordon of Aspyr as sources, so I think it's quite a firm confirmation.



As far as I can recall, however, Alex has never directly come out and said that the Les Paul would be compatible with Rock Band--only that Rock Band is open to general controller standards and that the development of the Les Paul controller in regards to being general or being special would affect its overall performance with Rock Band. If RedOctane didn't go the same distance with their PS3 Les Pauls as they did with their 360 Les Pauls, then it doesn't matter if this chart says that the controller is compatible.

Edit: After all, all one needs to do is look at the back of the PS3 box for Guitar Hero III and read all of the fine print about how you shouldn't be using any guitar but the Les Paul with their game to understand how ass-backwards RedOctane/Activision/Neversoft have been about helping out the consumer with the situation.

I just wish this hadn't come up on a weekend, particularly the weekend that the servers will be switching in preparation for the game's launch. Very small possibility for an official response at this point.

[bmore007]

I hope that chart is right about the ps2 guitar working with an adapter, no hammerons and no effects is fine, I just want to use it as a bass

edit: if the les paul isnt compatible maybe they'll just patch the game so it will be.

[Mistersh0w]

over-react much? why would HMX go out of their way to make the GH3 controllers work? I think you should be more upset at Activision/Red Octane as they're the companies that made the GH controller.

Because HMX went out of their way to make the 360 controllers compatible!!! MicroCRAP makes 3rd parties pay the price for their proprietary crap...

[Catalytic]

It's not time to hit panic mode yet PS3ers. We have a singular report of failure of the PS3 Les Paul working on Rock Band and lots of confirmation that it should work from various sources. After an extensive search of a number of message boards, the original poster is the only person I have seen report either a problem or success with the LP for the PS3.

I am not trying to disrepect the original poster (if it is a hoax I give him credit for carrying it off beautifully, but I don't think it is), but would should wait for more confirmation either way before getting too worked up. I am still betting that the PS3 LP will work for RB. Hoping I am right!

[bmore007]

I am not trying to disrepect the original poster (if it is a hoax I give him credit for carrying it off beautifully, but I don't think it is), but would should wait for more confirmation either way before getting too worked up. I am still betting that the PS3 LP will work for RB. Hoping I am right!

I'm starting to think it's just an XBox fanboy stirring up trouble.

[Koneesha]

Sucks man, glad I don't have any douchebag friends coming over who would need a second guitar peripheral. All seriousness, I really hope you guys on the PS3 get a patch, you deserve a break once in a while :p totally j/k

Actually after thinking it over, why are you guys complaining here, either yell at Red Octane or Sony. Harmonix did everything they could to follow an open USB system so everything is compatible. The wireless was RO and Sony's idea, and if they're guitar aren't compatible it their fault, not HMX. It's not like they put **** in their game to limit you from using other peripherals.
actually RO did put stuff in GH3 so you could not use the strat. ALso its not sonys fault. They have nothing to do with making these games.

[admanimal]

Because HMX went out of their way to make the 360 controllers compatible!!! MicroCRAP makes 3rd parties pay the price for their proprietary crap...

What are you talking about? The fee is for wireless controllers, it has nothing to do with any guitar being compatible with RB.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

What are you talking about? The fee is for wireless controllers, it has nothing to do with any guitar being compatible with RB.

He didn't mean actual money, he was using the figure of speech that meant "deal with the consequences".

[Wingfan191]

Just want to post this in both threads regarding the topic...

Hil, the 360 editor at IGN said the following in a topic on the IGN boards regarding this very thing about worried PS3 users.


When we did our compatibility test, we did not have the PS3 version. In fact, EA/Harmonix is not even planning to ship the PS3 version to reviewers from my understanding. We had to make a special request to get the PS3 kit and box copy for the review. That said, we did not go back and do the test once we got in RB for PS3. Sorry! Meant to, just got caught up in other stuff. We'll do it on Monday for sure.

Last I had heard from Red Octane, they expect the Les Paul to work with RB. In fact, if it doesn't, that is terrible news since the Rock Band guitar will not be sold separately until early next year. And, as you know, GH III guitar is the only alternative.

If Rock Band only recognizes the official Rock Band dongle (which I'd assume does not work with the Les Paul), that would really suck. I'll check Monday. Or if the Chargers are sucking balls, I'll drive into the office on Sunday to check.

[okeygrak]

I'm starting to think it's just an XBox fanboy stirring up trouble.

That could not be further from the truth. Although I own both systems, i bought the ps3 version for the wireless guitar. I am much more of a Playstation fanboy than a Xbox fanboy. For those of you who doubt me, or think that I am making this stuff up, check back in on tuesday after you pick up your copy.

[Mr_Urlacher]

Um... can someone run me up to speed. What is a dongle? Can someone tell me what is does and can you please include a picture. I mainly wanna see what it is.

-Thanks

[Shoeless]

That could not be further from the truth. Although I own both systems, i bought the ps3 version for the wireless guitar. I am much more of a Playstation fanboy than a Xbox fanboy. For those of you who doubt me, or think that I am making this stuff up, check back in on tuesday after you pick up your copy.

You're in a fairly unique position right now. As others have asked, have you been curious enough to try loading up the old GHI/II/80's PS2 games and see whether or not they will recognize the Fender Strat as a guitar and play those previous games on the PS3?

[Catalytic]

Sorry ... wrong thread.

[sabre03]

this is a major bummer. makes me wish i bought an xbox 360. seems like us ps3'rs always get the short end of the stick. Guess I'll buy 2 bundles and sell the drums mic and game on ebay. Wish this info was public a month ago, i never woulda wasted $100.00 on GH3

[iNiGhTmAr3]

I'm really disappointed if this is true. I'm going to be short a player and I can't have a band. None of my other friends can afford Rock Band, and it's going to be sold out for awhile. I hope they can fix this issue as soon as possible.... :(

[Iddy_Biddy]

Hopefully this is just a thing thats to scare PS3 fanboys. If it is true, hopefully the update we're getting on Tuesday will already fix this issue.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

If the peripherals were already on sale by themselves, I wouldn't have a problem buying an extra guitar and drums and I wouldn't really care about this news...

[TenaciousKory]

If the peripherals were already on sale by themselves, I wouldn't have a problem buying an extra guitar and drums and I wouldn't really care about this news...

100% Agreed.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Has anyone contacted Harmonix about this issue? Someone said they were going to call them before, so I was just wondering.

[sa_nick]

We seriously need someone else with a ps3 copy to back this up or Harmonix to come in and say something.

I'm spending a great deal of money importing RB and even buying a new console to ensure that I can actually play it SOLELY to play with my friends, if one of them doesn't have an instrument to play for 3-4 months then it's a wasted exercise.

Same here, I spent $170 australian ($150 US) on GH3 specifically so i could have a guitar peripheral for RB when i imported it. This is gonna suck so much if it's true.

[allegate]

You're in a fairly unique position right now. As others have asked, have you been curious enough to try loading up the old GHI/II/80's PS2 games and see whether or not they will recognize the Fender Strat as a guitar and play those previous games on the PS3?

pretty please? :)

[okeygrak]

pretty please? :)

I'll test now and let you guys know

[Guitar_Hero_God999]

Why is everyone here so stupid? Just buy a RB guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sell Guitar *****-o some where and buy a RB Stratocaster

P.S
I don't like Guitar *****-o. I'm just better than Stan Marsh

[Chris_Gonzalez]

Why is everyone here so stupid? Just buy a RB guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sell Guitar *****-o some where and buy a RB Stratocaster

Don't call everyone else stupid when you're the one who doesn't know that individual instruments don't go on sale until 2008, which is why that's not an option. Sure, we could buy another bundle, but with everything being so scarce right now in the first place, it'll be even harder.

[okeygrak]

No dice on the RB Strato working for GH2. I have a 60gb launch ps3 running the GH2 Disc. The Strato is not recognized by the game. I think this is the result everyone was expecting.

[DrAndonuts]

Could it be that RedOctane just used the same source for the 360 LP as the Xplorer, and had to create a new code for the PS3 LP, since there was no guitar made yet?

Harmonix may have allowed the code for the Xplorer on the 360 version, which would enable the LP to work too. Maybe they just allowed the same code on the PS3 version, and the PS3 LP has a different code.

I'm probably way off, though.

[milkman4591]

actually RO did put stuff in GH3 so you could not use the strat. ALso its not sonys fault. They have nothing to do with making these games.

2 things

1: Because of what you said, RO has lost all respect I ever had for it and I for one will not be buying GH4 if it is made by them. They have created a monopoly in that only their controllers will work and were don't need any current day robber barrens.

2: Actually I cited the wireless technology as a possible problem (maybe I'm not too well versed.) I was working off the idea that since Microsoft needs to sell off it's wireless technology, Sony does the same thing with it's own. Actually thinking it over, Sony uses bluetooth, which is universally compatible. Ok then, most likely RO put something in it's guitars that makes it incompatible with RB. Wow I hate RO so much right now.

[sabre03]

I would think they would patch this right away, if in fact it is a problem. Otherwise it makes no sense for anyone with the PS3 to buy the game alone. So why even make it available to the public, because they would have a ton off pissed off people that bought the game alone thinking it would work with there GH guitars. Please I hope this gets fixed. Can anyone from Harmonix give us a heads up either way, good or bad, I think we all just want a definite answer either way.

[allegate]

Why is everyone here so stupid? Just buy a RB guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sell Guitar *****-o some where and buy a RB Stratocaster

P.S
I don't like Guitar *****-o. I'm just better than Stan Marsh
you don't like Guitar Hero but your username is guitar hero god? :confused:

thanks for testing the game out. I assumed it didn't as well though I believe it's because of the way BC works in the system. In this case I guess it's more Sony's fault than anyone else.

also: the potential bad press from releasing the game only on the PS3 is probably going to do some harm to the game. I would hope that they do issue a patch or something (whether it's from Sony, RO or HMX) to make it right before it gets out of hand.

[DannyBoy]

This is really dissapointing. The main reason I bought GH3 was to have a 2nd guitar for Rock Band. This really sucks.

[Mistersh0w]

So, when can we address this to HMX? And would a phone call do? I don't want to "talk" to some minimum wage phone monkey just to have him/her shuffle me around the office to different phone monkeys with no info... Does HMX read this forum?

[NotorietyH]

So, when can we address this to HMX? And would a phone call do? I don't want to "talk" to some minimum wage phone monkey just to have him/her shuffle me around the office to different phone monkeys with no info... Does HMX read this forum?

Yes they do, but it being Sunday and they are no doubt so busy with the launch and stuff, I wouldn't expect much in the ways of a response any time soon. I imagine if it is a software issue (which it seems it might be) HMX will release a patch, because if the GHIII doesn't work there's probably a good chance that other 3rd party peripherals wouldn't work and that seems to go against their open controller policy.

[Rock_Starman]

Just want to post this in both threads regarding the topic...

Hil, the 360 editor at IGN said the following in a topic on the IGN boards regarding this very thing about worried PS3 users.

Oh it's so obvious now...

It works on the 360 and not the PS3 because the 360 Les Paul doesn't have a dongle and both games use the same built in wireless format and the Explorer is wired so that wouldn't have any effect. As previously said the Strat doesn't work with GH 3 because they blocked it out.

The PS3 GH 3 has a dongle and RB doesn't reconize it because obviously they wouldn't have been able to program the game to reconize the GH 3 dongle without having one and even then there could be some legal stuff there. Had they both used the built in Blue Tooth it should've worked. So I guess barring any legal related things a patch could come and I'm guessing it will otherwise they wouldn't be selling the game by it self.

[Mistersh0w]

Oh it's so obvious now...

It works on the 360 and not the PS3 because the 360 Les Paul doesn't have a dongle and both games use the same built in wireless format and the Explorer is wired so that wouldn't have any effect. As previously said the Strat doesn't work with GH 3 because they blocked it out.

The PS3 GH 3 has a dongle and RB doesn't reconize it because obviously they wouldn't have been able to program the game to reconize the GH 3 dongle without having one and even then there could be some legal stuff there. Had they both used the built in Blue Tooth it should've worked. So I guess barring any legal related things a patch could come and I'm guessing it will otherwise they wouldn't be selling the game by it self.

Interesting theory... This just keeps getting worse and worse... I can't believe I literally threw 100 dollars into the toilet by buying GH3....

[Paakaa10]

Interesting theory... This just keeps getting worse and worse... I can't believe I literally threw 100 dollars into the toilet by buying GH3....

Well yeah, but I knew that when I bought the game :D . Sure, it hurts a little that I didn't come close to what I originally spent in what I got back from trade-in, but I just don't refer to it in monetary terms. I look at it this way now:

My copy of the game turned into Assassin's Creed.
My Les Paul guitar turned into Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.
I have played both games more in the past two days than I had played GH3 in the few weeks that I owned it.

Sucks that the money is lost, but I'm in a better overall position now.

And to be more on topic: it definitely looks like buying a second bundle just to keep the guitar is an option, hopefully people will be hitting eBay for single pieces of the package.

[revert]

We have to keep discussing this until HMX staff notice that this is one of those problems that won't just go away over time. I have wasted my hard-earned money on a GH3 guitar that I was told by would work with Rock Band by 3 websites as well as this one. Words cannot describe how ****ed off I am right now.

[hankmallon]

It's going to be catastrophic for stand alone Rock Band PS3 buyers. They won't be able to play it at all except sing in a mic (that they'll have to buy seperately).

[eVan_Diesel]

Well, this blows. I have three other people who want to play the game with me on my PS3. Two people always get sick of staring at the screen while the other two play the game. We thought this was a good solution to include everyone...but no....PS3 owners get screwed again. :mad:

[jq715861]

This isn't as big a problem for me right off the bat as it is for some people. I happen to have a friend that is buying another bundle for the PS3 so it won't be a problem, but it definitely is for alot of people.

They have to be releasing for a patch. They have known that the PS3 guitar wasn't going to work on their system since oh, October, 28th when Guitar Hero 3 came out. I'm fairly sure the minute that game came out they took both versions of the guitar to see if they worked and know the answer. Hopefully they are able to get around it for the sake of a lot of people.

[isucamper]

Wow. Harmonix has to address this Monday.

Basically it sounds like there will be no way to obtain a guitar for this game other than in the 170 dollar bundle, which comes with only 1 guitar.

Combine that with the fact that 2 out of 2 people on Neogaf who got the Xbox version early say that their strum bars are already broke. They can at least use the GH guitars... PS3 owners could be out of luck completely and end up with NO guitars to play this game.

Harmonix... please let us know what's up with this.

There's a couple of options... maybe they could release an adapter that would let us use the PS2 guitars.... or maybe they could even release a patch that would let us use the Xbox 360 wired guitars. After all, doesn't the wired USB Xbox 360 gamepad work when you plug it into the PS3??

[BodhiWolff]

I just wanted to voice my support for all the PS3 people out there. I know you're going through a rough time.

However, I also wanted to mention that in the world of hardware, especially proprietary hardware, a "simple patch" isn't always possible. There might be ... ahem ... "interesting" reasons why one company is making sure that their controller doesn't work with another new competetive game, and for Harmonix to figure out exactly why it isn't working and fix it could be quite a chore. More to the point, there just might be legal pleasantries that need to be worked around before software handshaking can occur.

This has happened before in the world of controllers and games (flight yokes for PC games that weren't cross-compatible, because a company didn't want them to be) and the end result isn't always pretty.

I'm not saying to lose all hope!

I'm just saying that putting all the responsibility on Harmonix' shoulders, and saying "patch this now!" might be a little premature. They might not be able to patch it right away, they might not have the right to patch it right away, and frankly at this point in time there might be other things on their plate (which is *really* tough for you guys to hear right now I know, but it could be true).

So how about we all hope that a patch is possible (in every sense of the word), but don't be crushed if it turns out not to be?

[revert]

I don't understand why we haven't had any word from Harmonix on this yet. Someone at the office must have noticed by now, surely!

Please, please can we have official confirmation?

[NotorietyH]

There might be ... ahem ... "interesting" reasons why one company is making sure that their controller doesn't work with another new competetive game, and for Harmonix to figure out exactly why it isn't working and fix it could be quite a chore. More to the point, there just might be legal pleasantries that need to be worked around before software handshaking can occur.

Yes but the Les Paul works fine with the 360 version, so i think this point is moot.

[BodhiWolff]

Yes but the Les Paul works fine with the 360 version, so i think this point is moot.

Well, not really. The two Les Pauls physically look the same (just like the two games versions of the GH3 game look the same) but the insides are completely different. The controller schemes are completely different. Obviously the Xbox version is using the GH2 open source standard, but now just as obviously the PS3 version is not.

Let us say I was an amoral, unscrupulous game company. I know that there is a system out there that has a lot of old controllers that are from an open-source standard (GH2 Xplorer), and another system with no controllers specifically done up to any standard. Free, open territory to exploit.

I set out to make sure that everybody who plays on the new, shiny system has to play with *my* controller, and third party controllers won't work.

I make the code of the game for the Xbox recognize the GH2 open-source standard, and I release a guitar for the Xbox that uses that standard. But I make the PS3 controller into its own little standard. There are no rules that say that they have to use the same controller code scheme. There are no rules at all!

Best of all, if I know that there is a competing game coming out, I am almost assured that the vast majority of reviewers are going to be doing their testing on Xbox systems. With any luck, nobody is going to notice the hiccup until, say, the weekend before release!

I believe there is even a legal disclaimer on the GH3 package having to do with the fact that the game is intended for the controller, and vice versa, and they're under no obligation beyond that point.

Now, as to whether or not Harmonix is in a position to be able to get in there and monkey with the workings enough to figure out exactly *how* the PS3 controller works, and then make it work for other games, is not something I am exactly sure on. I don't think it is perfectly cut-and-dried. I know there have been controller/game legal battles in the past, along intellectual property lines.

Harmonix stated ages ago that they were going with the GH2 standard. They let everybody know that this was the standard they were using. Obviously the makers of GH3 wanted to monkey with their plans a bit.

Now we find out just how well they succeeded.

[hankmallon]

I may poke a lot of fun but in the end I mean well. I hope its just a rumor for fellow PS3 rockers.

[Ultrace]

So the GH3 game itself was traded in for Assassin's Creed ($18.00 value plus $1.80 promotion bonus) and I just traded in the Les Paul today for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune ($20.00 value) at Gamestop. This information may be useful for those of you who will be doing the trade-in game.

Edit: For a little more "complain about Gamestop" fodder, the Les Paul was priced and put out on display for $39.99 before I had even left the store.

You bought GH3 to use the controller for RB and then traded it in at a $60 loss before RB was even released or a comment could be made? That's a bad move IMO. And yeah, trade-ins are pretty much the biggest rip-off I've seen. I guess it's easier than going through eBay but it cost you a lot of money in the long run... We scored $52 just for our copy of GH3 (we had an extra because we grabbed two copies at launch for co-op Les Paul action.) We've had no problem with our 360 LP controllers...

[Kingfish]

Yes but the Les Paul works fine with the 360 version, so i think this point is moot.

Its possible...add SONY into the mix...to have a third monster in bed with ya...

[GHudston]

So if RB uses the GH2 standard, and say I got my ps2 GH2 control and a ps2 to ps3 controller adapter... might that work?

I don't think we care about the les paul specifically, we just want a second guitar so we can play with a full band.

[NotorietyH]

I set out to make sure that everybody who plays on the new, shiny system has to play with *my* controller, and third party controllers won't work.

Yes but surely then if your wre said company you'd want your controller to work with the competitors game knowing that the bundle only comes with one guitar and people are likely to use your controller as the second controller for Rock Band. It makes sense to lock out other controllers from your own game, but not to make your controller incompatible with other games. Surely Red Octane would be hoping that people prefer the e Paul and when individual instruments go on sale they pick up another one to use for Rock Band.

It also doesn't make sense why they would make one work for one system and not the other. I think that it's a software issue, not a hardware one, that for some reason the GH dongle doesn't register properly with the game.


Its possible...add SONY into the mix...to have a third monster in bed with ya...

Sony have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's microsoft who charge for their wireless tech and insist everyone use it. Why the hell would Sony care which controller works with which game???

[thrdeye]

Well, just to add my $.02, I am also one of the folks that purch GH3 to have a RockBand bass. After playing GH3 for a couple weeks now, the damn Les Paul doesn't work as intended even with GH3, IMO. If I still have the receipt, I'm taking it back if it doesn't work as a bass.

[Ultrace]

Combine that with the fact that 2 out of 2 people on Neogaf who got the Xbox version early say that their strum bars are already broke.

Doesn't take a Harmonix rep to address this... It's called karma. :)

But seriously, all the people stating that Harmonix needs to address this and NOW! need to take a deep breath. Yeah, I know, it looks like you might not be able to use your PS3 GH3 guitar on RB, and I feel for you. But Harmonix never came out and said the GH3 controller would work with RB, that came from online gaming sites. The HMX staff has shown a remarkable about of responsiveness on these forums and I assume they'll have a statement or plan of action available for Tuesday--when people should be getting the game. Those who purposely tracked down copies of the game just to try and break the street date have little room to complain if their early obtaining of it doesn't coincide with any planned announcements or developments.

[crivit]

I make the code of the game for the Xbox recognize the GH2 open-source standard, and I release a guitar for the Xbox that uses that standard. But I make the PS3 controller into its own little standard. There are no rules that say that they have to use the same controller code scheme. There are no rules at all!



I just wanted to point out the GH2 game does not use an open source standard. The RB guitar will not work with GH2, it's locked out. I also haven't seen any 3rd party guitars for the 360 GH2. If it was open source I'm sure we'd have alot more controller choices by now. HMX was able to make the explorer work with RB because they already knew how it worked, and apparently the 360 Les Paul works in a similiar manner. The PS3 LP is a completely new thing though, so there's no telling what RO did to that one.

[Kingfish]

Sony have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's microsoft who charge for their wireless tech and insist everyone use it. Why the hell would Sony care which controller works with which game???

Are you aware of the exclusivity clauses that SONY implements with their hardware...forcing certain aspects of games to be exclusive to their Playstation?

Back in the early days of PS2 games that were produced by companies for all platforms( Xbox, PS2 & PC) were FORCED by Sony to have elements not found in the other platform version of the game on their Playstation...why would limiting hardware from one game to the next be that big of a stretch? If someone forgot/refused to ‘pay’ the proper homage to the Sony gods…thats what you get.

[NotorietyH]

Are you aware of the exclusivity clauses that SONY implements with their hardware...forcing certain aspects of games to be exclusive to their Playstation?

Back in the early days of PS2 games that were produced by companies for all platforms( Xbox, PS2 & PC) were FORCED by Sony to have elements not found in the other platform version of the game on their Playstation...why would limiting hardware from one game to the next be that big of a stretch? If someone forgot/refused to ‘pay’ the proper homage to the Sony gods…thats what you get.

Yeah but that's completely irrelevant in this case. In fact it's a completely ridiculous conclusion. Sony have had nothing to do with the game. There is no cross-platform issue because it's two games on the same freakin' system. You may as well throw in the people who made the boxes for the games if that's the case, because they have about as much involvement in the production of the games as Sony do. The idea that Sony would say "Hey guys, just for ****s and giggles, why not make this controller incompatible with your game," is completely ridiculous. Sure Sony may have forced elements in the past, and of course that means they forced the makers of Rock Band to make the PS3 version of Rock Band inferior to the other systems. It's all part of their masterplan. :rolleyes:

[Paakaa10]

You bought GH3 to use the controller for RB and then traded it in at a $60 loss before RB was even released or a comment could be made? That's a bad move IMO. And yeah, trade-ins are pretty much the biggest rip-off I've seen. I guess it's easier than going through eBay but it cost you a lot of money in the long run... We scored $52 just for our copy of GH3 (we had an extra because we grabbed two copies at launch for co-op Les Paul action.) We've had no problem with our 360 LP controllers...

Honestly? I bought GH3 because I thought the game would be at least passable fun and so that the Les Paul could serve as a temporary bass for Rock Band until individual peripherals were released.

I found GH3 to be a dissapointment, hence my decision to return the game by itself.

The Les Paul, while a passable guitar, paled in comparison after I had a chance to play the Strat controller. Thus, when confirmation came out from a gamer in the field with an early copy that the Les Paul would not be immediately compatible with Rock Band--if at all, in the long run--it became expendable and trade-in fodder.

Truly, holding onto either the game or guitar any longer would only result in continually plummeting value for trade-in. Seeing as I didn't want to play GH3 any longer and the Les Paul is of no use for me without that game, it made more sense to take my losses and get stuff I would actually use.

Yeah, it sucks to lose money. But I went into it with the understanding that I would potentially end up on the bad end of the stick by putting any faith in Neversoft's handling of the franchise. Buyer beware, eh? Lesson learned.

[Kingfish]

Yeah but that's completely irrelevant in this case. In fact it's a completely ridiculous conclusion. Sony have had nothing to do with the game. There is no cross-platform issue because it's two games on the same freakin' system. You may as well throw in the people who made the boxes for the games if that's the case, because they have about as much involvement in the production of the games as Sony do. The idea that Sony would say "Hey guys, just for ****s and giggles, why not make this controller incompatible with your game," is completely ridiculous. Sure Sony may have forced elements in the past, and of course that means they forced the makers of Rock Band to make the PS3 version of Rock Band inferior to the other systems. It's all part of their masterplan. :rolleyes:

I'm done with it...if you can't see that in business, a company WOULD say, "hey 'x', if you want the rights and know how of HOW my controller works, so you can make it control your game on 'my' system, you gotta pay..." well, if you don't think that could/would happen, then i guess i got nothin else fer ya.

I will say, its either that or Rock Band devs hate you guys with PS3...you figure it out...

Gone from this one...

[NotorietyH]

I'm done with it...if you can't see that in business, WOULD say, hey 'x', if you want the rights and know how of HOW my controller works, so you can make it control your game on 'y' systems, you gotta pay..." well, if you don't think that could/would happen, then i guess i got nothin else fer ya.

I will say, its either that or Rock Band devs hate you guys with PS3...you figure it out...

Gone from this one...

Oh for f... Yes I can see that in some situations a big business may try and manipulate developers, demand certain things, blah blah blah. I'm sure in some other discussion these would be very valid points. Except that in this case your 360-loving Sony conspiracy theory holds about as much water as a sieve, because there is absolutely no reason on earth why Sony would demand that the GH III controller is incompatible with Rock Band because this would make the PS3 versions of Rock band inferior to other version. Please tell me how Sony would benefit from this? What business masterplan is this all part of? Your argument in this case is completely and utterly illogical. It's the demented mutterings of a tinfoil-hat wearing lunatic, and I think you'll find it is actually me who is done with because I'd rather bang my head off the wall for a solid hour than read yet another post where you don't bother making any new points but just reword exactly what you've said, forcing me to do exactly the same, because I'd at least have less of a headache then.

[isucamper]

But Harmonix never came out and said the GH3 controller would work with RB, that came from online gaming sites.

Ok, I'm sorry, but this is complete BS. From day 1, Harmonix has promoted Rock Band as a 4 player game... and yet, they put it out there with absolutely no way to get the 4th controller, short of buying one from a different company. And now, on the PS3 you can't even do that.

Worst of all, they refuse to address the issue prior to release and still expect the consumer to drop 170 bucks without knowing what sort of functionality they are going to get, without knowing what's compatible with what. I'm sorry for wanting to know what kind of product I'm going to get for my hard earned cash, but it's kind of important to me.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

Ok, I'm sorry, but this is complete BS. From day 1, Harmonix has promoted Rock Band as a 4 player game... and yet, they put it out there with absolutely no way to get the 4th controller, short of buying one from a different company. And now, on the PS3 you can't even do that.

Worst of all, they refuse to address the issue prior to release and still expect the consumer to drop 170 bucks without knowing what sort of functionality they are going to get, without knowing what's compatible with what. I'm sorry for wanting to know what kind of product I'm going to get for my hard earned cash, but it's kind of important to me.

To (sort of) answer your question:


Yeah it's a tough issue. We haven't had an opportunity to test with the Les Paul since the development of the GH series is being handled by Activision, Neversoft, and Red Octane. We have tried to keep RB an open platform for third party guitars, but I can't guarantee something we haven't had development access to. Just stay tuned for the next day or two while people test stuff out on launch. I know it's probably not the answer you're looking for, but it's the only one I've got for you.

I asked him if he knew the LP would work through a PM today, and that was the response I got from him. We'll know Monday when IGN runs its tests.

[Elnino]

Wait? This problem only has to do with the PS3? Sweet.
But seriously, it does really suck for you guys.

[MountainKing]

So he's saying they would actualy release the stand alone game without even knowing for sure if people can even play it on ps3???

You're f'n kidding me.

[jq715861]

So he's saying they would actualy release the stand alone game without even knowing for sure if people can even play it on ps3???

You're f'n kidding me.

Wow, I never even thought of that!

[Quastor]

So he's saying they would actualy release the stand alone game without even knowing for sure if people can even play it on ps3???

You're f'n kidding me.

Many people are having multiple people chip in for one bundle, and splitting the peripherals. So one person gets the drums, the other the guitar. Then, they can also buy an extra copy of the game so they both can play whenever they want to.

[MountainKing]

Seriously, how hard is it for someone at Harmonix or Ign or whoever to grab a LP and turn on the damn game??

You know how big of a mess this is going to be if this turns out to be true?

"Wait for others to test it out on tuesday"??? WTF is that? Everyone who wanted an extra guitar for Rock Band have ALREADY paid for GH3 just to have one.

Those people don't WANT to wait for an answer.

And please all of you 360 owners who don't have to worry about it...don't reply to this telling me to calm down. This will be an outright disaster for alot of people and it NEEDS to be answered right away.

[eVan_Diesel]

According to this Yahoo preview video "If you have a GH guitar laying around it will work"

http://www.yahoo.com/s/739230

[thrdeye]

Seriously, how hard is it for someone at Harmonix or Ign or whoever to grab a LP and turn on the damn game??



I agree. Same thing with backwards compatibility with GH 1 + 2 - like they don't have a couple copies of that laying around to pop into a PS3.

[Fatal1ty_Reaper]

Yah this really needs to be addressed... I bought two copies of GHIII on the PS3 because of RB... As it is though it looks like I'll be getting RB on the 360 instead and just have to bite the bullet when it comes to the $170 I spent on GHIII...

[Terranova]

According to this Yahoo preview video "If you have a GH guitar laying around it will work"

http://www.yahoo.com/s/739230

They are talking about the 360 version if you watch the video all the way through the guitars have the cable coming from them, this thread is about PS3 which the vid doesn't even mention.

[MountainKing]

They are talking about the 360 version if you watch the video all the way through the guitars have the cable coming from them, this thread is about PS3 which the vid doesn't even mention.

Exactly. We already know there's no problem with the 360 version using the Les Paul.

I'm feeling really let down by the weak asss responses we're getting. Just give us a better answer than "we'll have to wait and see".

[eVan_Diesel]

They are talking about the 360 version if you watch the video all the way through the guitars have the cable coming from them, this thread is about PS3 which the vid doesn't even mention.

Right, but no where do they actually SAY that it's the 360 version. Someone who didn't know better would just assume it applied to all platforms.

Us PS3 owners are sick of getting screwed... :mad:

[Rainer7]

How did you guys trade in GH3? Gamestop wouldn't let me bring it in because it says "Not for Resale" on the back (at least on the PS3 version). Why did RO/Activision do this anyway? GH1/2/80s didn't have "Not for Resale".

[Ultrace]

Ok, I'm sorry, but this is complete BS. From day 1, Harmonix has promoted Rock Band as a 4 player game... and yet, they put it out there with absolutely no way to get the 4th controller, short of buying one from a different company. And now, on the PS3 you can't even do that.

Worst of all, they refuse to address the issue prior to release and still expect the consumer to drop 170 bucks without knowing what sort of functionality they are going to get, without knowing what's compatible with what. I'm sorry for wanting to know what kind of product I'm going to get for my hard earned cash, but it's kind of important to me.
Sorry, your response is also BS... There has indecision since the very beginning about what would work with what in regards to RB, and HMX was very clear about it. The game is for up to four people but they also made it very clear what ships with the bundle--one guitar, one mic, drums and the game. You can't hold them responsible for something done with the PS3 version of the Les Paul when they never said it would work. And even if the PS3 LP doesn't work with RB, you have two other options--buy a second bundle and sell the drums, mic and game for parts or get a spare guitar from someone who did the same thing but is selling the guitar as part of those parts. It's not an optimal solution but it's out there.

[Struct09]

How did you guys trade in GH3? Gamestop wouldn't let me bring it in because it says "Not for Resale" on the back (at least on the PS3 version). Why did RO/Activision do this anyway? GH1/2/80s didn't have "Not for Resale".

They do that since it's a part of a bundle, so that retailers don't try and separate the guitar from the game to sell each individually.

When I worked at EBGames, we would accept games that said "Not For Resale". Unless they've changed the policy, it sounds like you just got some clueless employees. If you're selling both the game and guitar, I'd recommend selling it on eBay anyway, since you won't get screwed on what you get.

[Siberian]

Sony have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's microsoft who charge for their wireless tech and insist everyone use it. Why the hell would Sony care which controller works with which game???

Wrong.

Sony likely does have a part in this, not an active one but neither Rock Band or GH3 are using Sony's wireless bluetooth technology to connect to the PS3. Instead both had to for some reason opt for dongles and their own wireless setup for the connection.

That's Sony's fault and is likely part of what is contributing to things not working as seamlessly as they do on the 360.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

Wrong.

Sony likely does have a part in this, not an active one but neither Rock Band or GH3 are using Sony's wireless bluetooth technology to connect to the PS3. Instead both had to for some reason opt for dongles and their own wireless setup for the connection.

That's Sony's fault and is likely part of what is contributing to things not working as seamlessly as they do on the 360.

It's not Sony's fault, it's technology's fault. Harmonix and Red Octane have both said that because Bluetooth standards aren't up to what they need to have the guitar controllers work yet, they won't use Blueetooth.

[isucamper]

And even if the PS3 LP doesn't work with RB, you have two other options--buy a second bundle and sell the drums, mic and game for parts or get a spare guitar from someone who did the same thing but is selling the guitar as part of those parts. It's not an optimal solution but it's out there.

Is this honestly acceptable to you?

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree. That is like Sony releasing the Playstation 3 and then not allowing you to buy a second Six Axis, and not testing the system to be sure 3rd party controllers work. Would you really expect me to buy ANOTHER PS3 just to get a second controller and then go through the hassle of selling off the system?



Just stay tuned for the next day or two while people test stuff out on launch. I know it's probably not the answer you're looking for, but it's the only one I've got for you.

Alright... Harmonix has lost there friggen minds. Guess what, the consumer is not your beta tester!!!! You need to figure this stuff out and tells us BEFORE you ship your game. Not wait for all your faithful paying costumers to figure it out for you. GHIII has been out for weeks! Are you telling me you couldn't find a way to confirm this one way or the other for us? Unbelievable.

[isucamper]

double post, sorry

[Transbrak]

Alright... Harmonix has lost there friggen minds. Guess what, the consumer is not your beta tester!!!! You need to figure this stuff out and tells us BEFORE you ship your game. Not wait for all your faithful paying costumers to figure it out for you. GHIII has been out for weeks! Are you telling me you couldn't find a way to confirm this one way or the other for us? Unbelievable.

I don't think it's harmonix's responsibility to test out the competitions product.

Besdies red octane went out of their way to make things incompatable how is that harmonix's fault

[Chris_Gonzalez]

<b>I don't think it's harmonix's responsibility to test out the competitions product.</b>

And logic wins again.

[municipalblack]

I really feel for my fellow PS3 owners if this is true as I almost bought GH3 so that I'd have a bass guitar come the release of Rock Band. Then when I got to see GH3 in action I decided to wait as I really think Neversoft butchered the series in some ways.

That said though, why are so many people getting pissed at Harmonix? Harmonix has said that they're following an "open platform philosophy" http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/10/09/your-rock-band-questions-answered-guitar-hero-compatibility-bundles-etc/comment-page-1/

If anything you guys should be getting pissed at Neversoft for the way they made their controller. In the end it sucks if this is true because we're the ones that are getting screwed.

[rockinaway247]

You could always just play acoustically.
lol nice south park reference

[Keebler]

Why don't you babies stop crying and wait until we get a patch on release day? Maybe that wil fix your issues.

[NotorietyH]

I don't think it's harmonix's responsibility to test out the competitions product.

Besdies red octane went out of their way to make things incompatable how is that harmonix's fault

Well the quote from the IGN guy said that he was talking to someone from Red Octane who said the Les Paul should work with RB. So I think that there is probably just a small problem with Rock Band in recognising the Les Paul as a guitar controller or something.

I agree totally that it's not up to Harmonix to test the competitors products. All I'm expecting is exactly what HMXJohnLok, they take a look at it at launch, and see what the situation is. Hell HMX themselves probably expected the controller to work. If a patch is released or something in the next couple of weeks I'm cool with that, I'll be a happy camper. If not I'll just have to make do without the bass controller for a while.

Of course people who buy the stand-alone game could be screwed, even if a patch is released, not everyone will be connected to the internet.

Saying that though nothing's going to be solved by baying for blood for the next few days until we know what the situation is, and if it's a worse case scenario, then we'll just have to deal with it. I would say in a calm rational manner, but I can't see that happening. :p

HMXJohnlok said they're going to look into it, and that's as much as they can do right now.

[Demon_Slayer]

That said though, why are so many people getting pissed at Harmonix? Harmonix has said that they're following an "open platform philosophy" http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/10/09/your-rock-band-questions-answered-guitar-hero-compatibility-bundles-etc/comment-page-1/

If anything you guys should be getting pissed at Neversoft for the way they made their controller. In the end it sucks if this is true because we're the ones that are getting screwed.
I don't care who we blame it on specifically. What needs to happen is both companies need to grow up, get over their silly little grudges, and work with each other for what's better for gamers before themselves. Why is this the only place this problem comes up? There are various DDR clones that are compatible with DDR dance pads, and DDR works with the other game's dance pads as well. I like playing rail shooters on my PS2, and every single one works with both my GunCon 2, and my off-brand gun. Why shouldn't these same ideas apply to guitar games?

[ian2783]

I have a feeling that this concerns Harmonix greatly. The only reason why is that no extra guitars will be available from them on launch. They are COUNTING on the GHIII controller to work for the stand alone copies. You can bet that they will be pulling an all nighter to get this issue resolved by launch

[revert]

Why don't you babies stop crying and wait until we get a patch on release day? Maybe that wil fix your issues.

I hope you are right.


I have a feeling that this concerns Harmonix greatly. The only reason why is that no extra guitars will be available from them on launch. They are COUNTING on the GHIII controller to work for the stand alone copies. You can bet that they will be pulling an all nighter to get this issue resolved by launch

I hope you are right.

[isucamper]

I don't think it's harmonix's responsibility to test out the competitions product.

agreed. However, it is Harmonix's responsibility to provide a way for us to use the game as they have promoted it: with all 4 players.

if they don't want to provide us with the 4th controller, then the least they could do is test out what else is out there and let us know

[ian2783]

agreed. However, it is Harmonix's responsibility to provide a way for us to use the game as they have promoted it: with all 4 players.

if they don't want to provide us with the 4th controller, then the least they could do is test out what else is out there and let us know

EXACTLY! It is irresponsible for them that they did not even TRY to test it on the PS3 with the GHIII controller knowing that RB guitars would not be in stores for launch.

[Transbrak]

the only reason there isnt individual controllers is the same reason there isnt enough bundles to go around, it takes time to manufacture plastic instruments, just be happy we are getting rock band at all this year if they wanted to they could have waited till they had enough to satisfy everyone, and we wouldnt get it till much later, geez just calm down.

i would think if you had 3 friends that were into rock band at least one of them, if not all of them, would also buy a bundle for themselves

for as long as i could remember it has been stated that the bundle came with 1 guitar, and that individual ones couldnt be bought until next year, also they have never promised other controllers working with RB, so with that information you still choose to buy the game, if your that pissed just dont buy it till you can get 2 guitars its as simple as that.

[socco6]

I wouldn't blame HMX for the GHIII controller not working if it turns out it doesn't. But I would blame them for hyping this as a 4 player game when in reality it's only a 3 player game.

[sushi111]

lol at PS3.

Sorry chums :(

[Transbrak]

I wouldn't blame HMX for the GHIII controller not working if it turns out it doesn't. But I would blame them for hyping this as a 4 player game when in reality it's only a 3 player game.


really last I heard it's a 4 player game

is guitar hero a 1 player game because it comes with 1 controller......really come on

[okeygrak]

lol at PS3.

Sorry chums :(

I have played over 20 hours of RB on my PS3 this weekend. Runs quiet and cool, hasn't crashed once. My buddy has the XB360 version ( got it from the same source ). He's over right now cause his RROD after a 4 hour session. Lol at that!

[GHudston]

I'd say that's a little unfair, the game is 4 player just like it has been hyped to be. We just lack a working control for the 4th player for awhile.

I'm still hoping that a patch or something will fix this. I seriously doubt that HMX are sitting around doing nothing about this.

[Snowwolf]

I'd say that's a little unfair, the game is 4 player just like it has been hyped to be. We just lack a working control for the 4th player for awhile.

I'm still hoping that a patch or something will fix this. I seriously doubt that HMX are sitting around doing nothing about this.

You are right they will find a patch, if they don't I am sure some Guru somewhere will figure it out and put it on the Net so we can download a patch. If not I'll just have to wait till next year to buy a new one. Until then I'll just rock the drums and mic, and the Guitar, and use the AI As a bass man. I am sure most people can find a friend that has a guitar with the PS3. I just feel sorry for the people that bought the game only thinking the GHIII controler will work now they are SOL.

[socco6]

really last I heard it's a 4 player game

is guitar hero a 1 player game because it comes with 1 controller......really come on
Last I heard it's a 4 player game too. But if I can't possibly play it with 4 players what good does that do me? The biggest selling point for this game is having 4 people play together as a band. If it ends up being true that the GHIII controller won't work then the only way I'm going to be able to actually do that is to head out at midnight tomorrow and try to find another bundle to go with the one I have pre-ordered at Gamestop.

[Transbrak]

Last I heard it's a 4 player game too. But if I can't possibly play it with 4 players what good does that do me? The biggest selling point for this game is having 4 people play together as a band. If it ends up being true that the GHIII controller won't work then the only way I'm going to be able to actually do that is to head out at midnight tomorrow and try to find another bundle to go with the one I have pre-ordered at Gamestop.

or have a friend who also buys the game or just wait till the individual controllers are released or a patch comes out, you act like there are no options at all

im sure it will be addressed soon enough

[MountainKing]

lol at PS3.

Sorry chums :(

Yeah, that's fuggin hilarious....pfft..jackass

[Chris_Gonzalez]

really last I heard it's a 4 player game

is guitar hero a 1 player game because it comes with 1 controller......really come on

No, but is Rock Band only a 3 player game when it comes with 3?

Or is it a 4 player game when they say that it's a multiplayer game? Guitar Hero 2 has multiplayer, does that mean you can play with 4 people?

[Catalytic]

Again, we have one person who has not been able to make the LP work for his PS3 ... it is not time to panic. If the head of RO does not see why the LP won't work with RB (someone in an earlier post cited someone from IGN as saying it), then even if it turns out the the PS3 LP will not work with RB, the problem is fixable. But, again these are all assumptions until more evidence comes in either way.

Given that there are likely a number of PS3 games out there before the street date, I find it interesting that there is only one person we have found complaining that the LP will not work with RB. It seems to me that there would be more people complaining than the one I also read other forums and no other user that I have run across claims to have a similar problem. I have not found anyone that claims that the LP will work either. But, given the fact that people are more likely to complain than not, it seems that we should be hearing from other users that are having problems. But since we haven't I am more willing to chalk it up to one person having a problem than thinking that the LP will not work on any PS3.

[socco6]

or have a friend who also buys the game or just wait till the individual controllers are released or a patch comes out, you act like there are no options at all

im sure it will be addressed soon enough
None of my friends are getting RB for PS3, so that won't happen. The individual controllers aren't going to be released until next year, so that doesn't do me a whole lot of good for another couple months. Plus the fact that I paid $100 for GHIII with the main reason of using that controller with RB. Sure there could be a patch come out, but that could take some time (wouldn't be here by Thanksgiving I would imagine, which would suck). Us PS3ers would be getting screwed pretty big here if this turns out to be true. The problem will be addressed eventually in some way, but it won't be "soon enough" if it's not addressed immediately.

It's not like this is the end of the world or anything, but I certainly have the right to be upset about this.

[GHudston]

I'm sure I can make do until some sort of fix is available. But what about those who got the game by itself, it's totally useless without a control. With that in mind there is no WAY that Harmonix are going to leave this unchecked, if they do then they are selling a game which cannot be played AT ALL by some people.

Just don't panic yet, more info to come tomorrow, I'm sure.

[Transbrak]

why would you buy gh3 for the controller to use with rock band when your not even sure it will work with rock band i dont understand again just be patient, from what i understand the 360 version works fine, maybe its a problem on sony's end either way harmonix is delivering what they promised and nothing more or less and theres no reason to go after them, even though im sure if there is a problem they are aware of it and are workin on a solution.

[Transbrak]

[QUOTE=GHudston;122985]I'm sure I can make do until some sort of fix is available. But what about those who got the game by itself, it's totally useless without a control.QUOTE]

you can still sing ;) with a headset

[Struct09]

FYI, another person on the IGN boards got the game for PS3 early, and they too claim that their PS3 Les Paul does not work with the game.

[Catalytic]

why would you buy gh3 for the controller to use with rock band when your not even sure it will work with rock band i dont understand again just be patient, from what i understand the 360 version works fine, maybe its a problem on sony's end either way harmonix is delivering what they promised and nothing more or less and theres no reason to go after them, even though im sure if there is a problem they are aware of it and are workin on a solution.

Because all the information that has come out in recent months has confirmed that the GH LP will work with RB. No one has stated that they thought it was going to be a problem; some people were willing to hedge and say that it should work, but would not guarantee it. But there had been little indication before GH3 was released (even up until the last few days) that there might be a problem using the LP for RB. Maybe everyone should have been more skeptical, but people were going on the information that they had.

[ian2783]

one thing that we may be overlooking...

when I bought GH III and hooked it up ever since then even if I am not using the guitar all of my other controllers start from player 2 on down. It thinks the guitar is still being used and is player #1 .Is it possible that the GH III controller just cannot be the 1st player?

[socco6]

why would you buy gh3 for the controller to use with rock band when your not even sure it will work with rock band i dont understand again just be patient
Because IGN said that it worked.

[M3wThr33]

IGN said it worked because they got the 360 version and assumed the PS3 version would be the same.

Honestly, it would take 1/4 second for any mod or HMX employee to come in here and confirm what's going on to say 'Ya. Sorry, it doesn't work.' or 'It'll be just fine.' But their silence on the issue is what's disturbing and causing a cluster**** of paranoia.

It better work, or every single copy of the standalone game is worthless.

[espher]

I'm sure there will be someone posting on it Monday. You know, when most businesses are open.

[isucamper]

It better work, or every single copy of the standalone game is worthless.

no doubt... this is the most irresponsible thing about this whole mess...

what the heck is the point of the stand alone? and how many people are going to buy it thinking their GH guitars will work with it? this is such a PR nightmare...

[thrdeye]

Well, I just did a little testing and have decided that I even if the GHIII Les paul is compatible, I don't want to use it.

The wireless setup for the Les Paul is seriously flawed. I was able to play GH2 on my HDTV through a receiver with no lag calibration with a wired SG. It played perfectly. When I play GH3, on my PS3, it just doesn't work, no matter what. You have to strum BEFORE the note should be played. It is very obvious on songs that require the same note multiple times in a row (e.g. Barracuda).

I am returning GH3 and will be getting a PS2/PS3 adapter for bass.

[Rock_Starman]

one thing that we may be overlooking...

when I bought GH III and hooked it up ever since then even if I am not using the guitar all of my other controllers start from player 2 on down. It thinks the guitar is still being used and is player #1 .Is it possible that the GH III controller just cannot be the 1st player?

I suggested that in the other topic and he said it still didn't work.

Possible legalities aside even IF the folks at Harmonix had gotten GH 3 on the 28th and found it had not worked with RB,the game was announced as gold (as in disc printing,bundle packaging etc.) on Nov 5th wich means they wouldn't have had enough time to do something about it anyway. They'd have to find out how the GH 3 guitar/dongle works and then recode part of the game wich would take a lot longer than what they had. They probably would've had to get their hands on GH 3 in like September to do anything about it and I doubt RO was kind enough to send them one then.

[WonkyPanda]

I've got my fingers crossed :confused:

[sabre03]

I've got my fingers crossed :confused:

same here, fingers and toes

[rollnstns]

Well, I just did a little testing and have decided that I even if the GHIII Les paul is compatible, I don't want to use it.

The wireless setup for the Les Paul is seriously flawed. I was able to play GH2 on my HDTV through a receiver with no lag calibration with a wired SG. It played perfectly. When I play GH3, on my PS3, it just doesn't work, no matter what. You have to strum BEFORE the note should be played. It is very obvious on songs that require the same note multiple times in a row (e.g. Barracuda).

I am returning GH3 and will be getting a PS2/PS3 adapter for bass.

Does this mean you can hook up the old SG controller with an adapter to use as a Bass???

[WonkyPanda]

I read that the original GH 1 controller for the PS2 will work with rockband through a usb plug in... is this true?

[crustyjuggler]

Seriously, if you are all fans, you should do research instead of living day and night here at the forums. Go to IGN.com and it specifically says you can use the les paul. In fact the individuals playing it preferred using the les paul for RB rather than the Strat. heres proof...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836144p1.html

[Catalytic]

Seriously, if you are all fans, you should do research instead of living day and night here at the forums. Go to IGN.com and it specifically says you can use the les paul. In fact the individuals playing it preferred using the les paul for RB rather than the Strat. heres proof...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836144p1.html

Because no one here has looked at this article right? It has been discussed at length in this thread.

[thrdeye]

Does this mean you can hook up the old SG controller with an adapter to use as a Bass???

I am assuming that it will work, with some flaws.

My thinking is this. The Pelican adapter (which seems to be the most popular one), works 100% on GH1 played on a PS3. GH1 has the same "open controller standards" that we've been promised with Rock Band. GH2 locked out 3rd party controllers, which is why the adapter has trouble.

[thrdeye]

Seriously, if you are all fans, you should do research instead of living day and night here at the forums. Go to IGN.com and it specifically says you can use the les paul. In fact the individuals playing it preferred using the les paul for RB rather than the Strat. heres proof...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836144p1.html

Yes, if you are a 360 owner. However, this may or may not be the case for PS3, since they have not done a full test with a PS3 yet.

Nevertheless, as I said earlier, the GH3 Les Paul does not work like it should. It lags. You can play around the lag on some songs, but I didn't pay $100 for something that doesn't work properly. Therefore, I will not be using it for RockBand, even if it is compatible.

I am hoping the PS2/PS3 adapter will work and allow overdrive to be activated properly, etc. If not, I guess it'll just be a three man effort until the Strats are available

[Xanthous]

I am assuming that it will work, with some flaws.

My thinking is this. The Pelican adapter (which seems to be the most popular one), works 100% on GH1 played on a PS3. GH1 has the same "open controller standards" that we've been promised with Rock Band. GH2 locked out 3rd party controllers, which is why the adapter has trouble.

I sincerely hope this is the case. I'd love nothing more that to be able to use my old PS2 controller as a bass until I get another strat. I've already got the adapter sitting around.

[thrdeye]

I sincerely hope this is the case. I'd love nothing more that to be able to use my old PS2 controller as a bass until I get another strat. I've already got the adapter sitting around.

Care to test it and let me know before I buy one?

[Struct09]

Seriously, if you are all fans, you should do research instead of living day and night here at the forums. Go to IGN.com and it specifically says you can use the les paul. In fact the individuals playing it preferred using the les paul for RB rather than the Strat. heres proof...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836144p1.html

Hil from IGN admitted that IGN did not test out the PS3 Les Paul on the PS3 version of Rock Band. I think his quote is somewhere earlier in this thread.

[Mistersh0w]

So, am I to understand we'll have a definite answer to this problem tomorrow?

[NotorietyH]

IGN said it worked because they got the 360 version and assumed the PS3 version would be the same.

Honestly, it would take 1/4 second for any mod or HMX employee to come in here and confirm what's going on to say 'Ya. Sorry, it doesn't work.' or 'It'll be just fine.' But their silence on the issue is what's disturbing and causing a cluster**** of paranoia.

HMXJohnLok came in and said that they'd look into it asap, what more do you want? Did you want him to guess? or lie?

[sabre03]

just bumpin, hope someone in the know, see's and posts a comment.

[xxjoesusxx]

another reason why ps3 owners should just get the 360

[GHudston]

another reason why ps3 owners should just get the 360

Ok, here's the thing. I have the 360, I love my 360, I think it's the best next gen console available right now.

However, I live in the UK and only Sony had the guts to make their console region free, allowing me to actually play games like rock band when they are released, not 4 months late.

So, for rock band, and a few other games, I am buying a PS3 as I have no other choice.

Comments like that really do not help anything at all, so kindly keep them to yourself. Thank you.

[steelcurtain187]

another reason why ps3 owners should just get the 360

Wow, brilliant posting :rolleyes:

[TheMaimMan]

another reason why ps3 owners should just get the 360

Spoken like a true troll...

I am also worried... Bought GH3 and despite the problems with the loose neck, and laggy wireless, I was hoping to use the Les Paul as a temp bass until the single guitars ship next year...

I have the Radio Shack PS2 to USB adapter. It works pretty good for GH1 and 2, but GH3 doesn't see them as guitar controllers. Wonder if Rock Band will? My cousin has the Tac adapter for his wireless flying V to make it work for GH2, and he is gonna bring it over as well... Maybe we can cobble together something that works...

I will be getting my bundle at midnight Pacific and will post my findings... Not sure how much help it will be though... Who knows, maybe this "patch" that is being talked about that comes out at launch is gonna fix the compatibility issues...

[hmxsean]

another reason why ps3 owners should just get the 360

Please read the forum rules. Console wars and flame baiting of this nature are frowned upon here. It is beneath us all to let threads disintegrate into mindless console fanboyism.

[NotorietyH]

another reason why ps3 owners should just get the 360

and another reason why I should add you to my ignore list. Everyone's a winner, you're happy with your console, I'm happy that I'll never have to read another one of your posts!

[monstrado]

Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble

[xxjoesusxx]

alright yeah...sorry about that, it was a heat of the moment kind of thing, i went through reading about four threads where people where having issues with only the ps3 version of the game.

Sorry

[GillianSeed]

http://ps3.qj.net/Early-Rock-Band-kits-experience-issues-to-be-fixed-on-launch-date/pg/49/aid/108054

Could this be true, and also have to deal with the Les Paul Guitars? Let's hope.

[monstrado]

I cannot find were someone has said for sure it doesn't work, is this official or just a rumor?

thanks in advance,

sorry if this is a repost

[okeygrak]

http://ps3.qj.net/Early-Rock-Band-kits-experience-issues-to-be-fixed-on-launch-date/pg/49/aid/108054

Could this be true, and also have to deal with the Les Paul Guitars? Let's hope.

I am one of those who got the game early, and my drum set, mic, and Strat work perfectly. My strat has no issues with strumming and works flawlessly.

The Rock Band software doesn't recognize the GH3 Les Paul as a guitar, only as a controller. It's definitely a software issue, not hardware.... so hopefully this rumor is true.

[Eman311]

The thread right above this one is pretty substantial. I would go look in there?

[Eman311]

At least the game recognizes it. I'm sure it can be fixed.

[monstrado]

The thread right above this one is pretty substantial. I would go look in there?

I have, it's completely filled with flames and utterly useless crap. I'm just looking for a link that would reinforce this problem.

[Eman311]

I have, it's completely filled with flames and utterly useless crap. I'm just looking for a link that would reinforce this problem.

Well, everyone who has tried says Rock Band recognizes the Les Paul as simply a controller, not a guitar. So even if that is true, it's something that *should* be able to be fixed.

[monstrado]

Well, everyone who has tried says Rock Band recognizes the Les Paul as simply a controller, not a guitar. So even if that is true, it's something that *should* be able to be fixed.


okay thank you..."entering panic mode"

[Eman311]

okay thank you..."entering panic mode"

Yea if I had a ps3 i'd be a tad worried. HMX promised full support though, they'll come through for you.

[PinkFloyd]

From what I heard from some US-friends, the Les Paul is mess. Fret-buttons are only registering 90% of the time, sometimes less. I don't want to make the guy stuck with bass also stuck with the crappy guitar-controller (and I sure as hell ain't gonna play on it). If I can use my old GH1-controller with a USB-PS2-port , I'm a happy camper. That thing is a piece of equipment; survived GH1 twice, GH2 twice, GH80s and then GH2 again.

[thrdeye]

Read my posts in that thread. The GH3 guitar on PS3 really sucks b/c of the wireless. I'm not using it.

[monstrado]

Yea if I had a ps3 i'd be a tad worried. HMX promised full support though, they'll come through for you.

Yeah, I would imagine they would.

If they wouldn't release BWT Online then I can't even imagine them shipping out a rock band with faulty hardware programming.

even if they did, I would think they're taking care of it now.

[monstrado]

Read my posts in that thread. The GH3 guitar on PS3 really sucks b/c of the wireless. I'm not using it.

what do you mean? it works fine for GHIII on the ps3, or are you suggesting that it's even crappier then it is on GHIII?

[xxjoesusxx]

has anyone checked to see what it recognizes the ps2 guitars as ?

[dragulaAC]

If I can use my old GH1-controller with a USB-PS2-port , I'm a happy camper. That thing is a piece of equipment; survived GH1 twice, GH2 twice, GH80s and then GH2 again.

This was the news I was hoping to hear ahead of time. If it does end up being compatible I just need to know which adapter to get, as there's a few to choose from. I have 2 ps2 sg's that are still working flawlessly after being abused since '05 with GH1,2,80's, and 3. So that's something to say for Red Octane's original sg guitars.

[okeygrak]

I would love to test out those USB adapters for the GH1 and GH2 guitars, but unfortunately I don't have one. If anyone in nyc would like to bring one over for testing purposes let me know.

[hankmallon]

what do you mean? it works fine for GHIII on the ps3, or are you suggesting that it's even crappier then it is on GHIII?

He probably just means the dongle wireless setup for the GH3 Les Paul can be crappy for a lot of users with interferences and lag.

[Iddy_Biddy]

This was the news I was hoping to hear ahead of time. If it does end up being compatible I just need to know which adapter to get, as there's a few to choose from. I have 2 ps2 sg's that are still working flawlessly after being abused since '05 with GH1,2,80's, and 3. So that's something to say for Red Octane's original sg guitars.

That can work too, and save me money from buying GHIII when I really want the Fender when it releases.

[Ultrace]

Is this honestly acceptable to you?

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree. That is like Sony releasing the Playstation 3 and then not allowing you to buy a second Six Axis, and not testing the system to be sure 3rd party controllers work. Would you really expect me to buy ANOTHER PS3 just to get a second controller and then go through the hassle of selling off the system?
Well, it's not like this is without precedent. What were your options with GH3? If I recall, no PS3/XB360/Wii controllers were sold separately for that at launch (and may still not be)--my wife and I had to buy two guitar/game bundles to get the controllers we needed and then sold the extra game afterward. We could have used the Xplorers for 360 if we'd had them (but we didn't), but what was the option for the PS3 owners who couldn't use the PS2 GH controllers? Yeah, that's what I thought--nothing. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

This problem was brought on by RedOctane's business policies. I refuse to blame Harmonix for not being able to tailor their software in time to a piece of hardware designed by a competitor to not work on this game, just like they designed GHIII to not work with the Strat (and even forbid you to use any non-RO controller right there on the loading screen.)

Even with this in mind, you're still infuriated that you might have to wait for launch day for a patch from Harmonix? Your rage is now invalidated to me.

[Quastor]

The more I think about this issue, the more I think that the PS3 owners hoping to use the Les Paul are going to be SOL.

Everyone is talking about Harmonix patching the game to allow it to work, but that's a slippery slope to go down. The moment Harmonix puts out a patch to allow compatibility with one third-party, it sets the expectation that they'll patch whenever there's an issue with future third-party guitars. Soon, you're no longer running on an open standard, but a concoction of potentially different controller types. That simply is not a good situation to be in, for Harmonix or the consumer.

For those that are getting upset that they won't have an extra controller when the game comes out - them are the breaks. It's not because Harmonix wants to screw you over, there's simply not enough supply to go around. But it's nothing to get worked up over. I can almost promise you that other third party controller manufacturers have taken notice that there will be a greater demand for RB guitars than Harmonix will be able to supply this holiday. I wouldn't be surprised if there are RB compatible guitars available within a couple weeks.

[Ultrace]

From what I heard from some US-friends, the Les Paul is mess. Fret-buttons are only registering 90% of the time, sometimes less. I don't want to make the guy stuck with bass also stuck with the crappy guitar-controller (and I sure as hell ain't gonna play on it). If I can use my old GH1-controller with a USB-PS2-port , I'm a happy camper. That thing is a piece of equipment; survived GH1 twice, GH2 twice, GH80s and then GH2 again.
Preach on. It's a shame that all of our GH games prior to GH3 were on the PS2... I have an untouched red SG, and I prefer the SG's strum bar to that of the LP, but there's no possible adapter that I'm aware of to get it to work on the 360... Although it's seen better days (the whammy doesn't bounce back quite as much), our original SG from GH1 still soldiers on...

[isucamper]

Well, it's not like this is without precedent. What were your options with GH3? If I recall, no PS3/XB360/Wii controllers were sold separately for that at launch (and may still not be)--my wife and I had to buy two guitar/game bundles to get the controllers we needed and then sold the extra game afterward.

Our argument ends right here. To you, this is an acceptable hoop to put the consumer through. To me it's not. Agree to disagree.

It'd be great if we could use our PS2 guitars with an adapter. This would solve all the problems right there.

[thrdeye]

Well, Target just accepted my GH3 return without question. If anyone can test a pelica adapter, that would be awesome.

[Struct09]

IGN reports: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836267p1.html


Sad news PS3 owners. Though we were lead to believe otherwise, the Guitar Hero III wireless Les Paul does not work with the PS3 version of Rock Band. After plugging in the GHIII dongle, you will discover that Rock Band in fact accepts the guitar inputs in the main menu. Don't be fooled. Rock Band recognizes the GHIII guitar merely as a controller (not a guitar) and will ask you to plug in a USB mic to continue. There is no option to force Rock Band to recognize the Les Paul controller as a guitar. The reasoning for this is unclear, since the GHIII controller works fine with Rock Band on Xbox 360.

Representatives for Harmonix and Red Octane were unavailable at the time of publish. However, we hope to get official word on why the GHIII controller doesn't work with Rock Band on PS3 soon. Let's hope a title update can be made to allow the Les Paul to be recognized as a guitar controller in Rock Band. Otherwise, there is no way for gamers to purchase a second guitar for Rock Band without buying the entire Rock Band bundle again.

[GillianSeed]

The more I think about this issue, the more I think that the PS3 owners hoping to use the Les Paul are going to be SOL.

Everyone is talking about Harmonix patching the game to allow it to work, but that's a slippery slope to go down. The moment Harmonix puts out a patch to allow compatibility with one third-party, it sets the expectation that they'll patch whenever there's an issue with future third-party guitars. Soon, you're no longer running on an open standard, but a concoction of potentially different controller types. That simply is not a good situation to be in, for Harmonix or the consumer.

For those that are getting upset that they won't have an extra controller when the game comes out - them are the breaks. It's not because Harmonix wants to screw you over, there's simply not enough supply to go around. But it's nothing to get worked up over. I can almost promise you that other third party controller manufacturers have taken notice that there will be a greater demand for RB guitars than Harmonix will be able to supply this holiday. I wouldn't be surprised if there are RB compatible guitars available within a couple weeks.

The problem is that Harmonix is not releasing their own guitar by itself until Feburary. They are however releasing Rock Band as a single disc version on the same day as the Rock Band Bundle launches. What does that leave those with the disc version? We'll if they buy a mic then they can sing...and that's it.

[Quastor]

The problem is that Harmonix is not releasing their own guitar by itself until Feburary. They are however releasing Rock Band as a single disc version on the same day as the Rock Band Bundle launches. What does that leave those with the disc version? We'll if they buy a mic then they can sing...and that's it.

Harmonix already said a long time ago the reason for releasing the game as an individual disc as well is for those people who purchase one bundle to split between two or more people. i.e. one person wants the drums, the other just the guitar. That way both of them can actually use their peripherals.

[WonkyPanda]

Does anybody have any confirmation on if the Gh1 controller from ps2 will work via USB adapter on RB? I know we've been discussing it, but I am just going to beat the horse a bit more and I WISH we could get someone to test it asap,

[mdbomb]

Man this thread is depressing. I was looking forawrd to this being the party game at out Thansgiving. Still will be fun, but was really hopeing for a full band.

[Eagoyle]

Well, Target just accepted my GH3 return without question. If anyone can test a pelica adapter, that would be awesome.

As soon as I get the game (unfortunately it won't be until after work, but I may try to sneak out early. I am not feeling well *cough*). I will post something about the adapter and if it works or not.

I believe that it will, because it works flawlessly for GH1, but it is purely speculation.

[TheMaimMan]

I wanna yell a word that rhymes with duck, but has that satisfying "f" in the place off the "d"...

I will be getting the game @ midnight, and my ps2-to-usb test (the Radio Shack adapter) with the ps2 SG will be the first order of business... I will report back then...

Edit: Seems we share the same goal, Eagoyle :P

[Angel-Jin]

what kind of usb to ps2 adapters are you guys using? the only one i have is a radioshack adapter and i'm not sure if it works (my PS3 = bricked. waiting on cardboard coffin)

[Eagoyle]

I wanna yell a word that rhymes with duck, but has that satisfying "f" in the place off the "d"...

I will be getting the game @ midnight, and my ps2-to-usb test with the ps2 SG will be the first order of business... I will report back then...

What kind of adapter do you have? Is it the Pelican one that is intended for the PS3, or just a general PS2-to-USB adapter?

It probably won't work if it doen't have the PS button on it.

This is the one that I have. (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=177515&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4)

[TheMaimMan]

Sorry, edited mine after you asked, Angel-Jin... Radio Shack adapter for me too... It works well playing GH1 and 2 on the ps3, so I am crossing my fingers...

[okeygrak]

Guys, since I have the game already, I'm going to pick up a USB adapter after work and try it out with both the GH1 and GH2 PS2 Guitars. I'll let you know asap!

Also, which is the best one? the radio shack adapter or the pelican?

[Catalytic]

Sorry, edited mine after you asked, Angel-Jin... Radio Shack adapter for me too... It works well playing GH1 and 2 on the ps3, so I am crossing my fingers...

Here's hoping ...

[thrdeye]

Sorry, edited mine after you asked, Angel-Jin... Radio Shack adapter for me too... It works well playing GH1 and 2 on the ps3, so I am crossing my fingers...

Can you give some more detail regarding the functionality with GH2? HOPO's?

PM me if you want.

[Eagoyle]

If the Radio Shack one works perfectly with GH1 (Whammy bar, Star Power, HOPOs), then they are likely the same.

[okeygrak]

Can someone send me an exact link to the adapter that is sold at radio shack. I'm going to pick one up after work today and post the results.

[thrdeye]

Can someone send me an exact link to the adapter that is sold at radio shack. I'm going to pick one up after work today and post the results.

I think there is a link in post # 208

[iNiGhTmAr3]

I think there is a link in post # 208

Nah that's the pelican adapter.

[okeygrak]

whoever has the radioshack adapter? do they sell the thing in stores or only online?

[Cursive]

Tried a GH2 Guitar and an adapter an no luck last night!

this cr*p is getting old.

[Iddy_Biddy]

How bout GHI controller?

[Angel-Jin]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that as soon as midnight tonight hits, a patch will be released that fixes this problem. maybe this answers my question as to why there was never a playable PS3 setup?

edit: i know that alot of RadioShacks sell the adapter in-store. Nearly all of the stores in my area do. They're about 11 or 12 bucks. they're worth it.

[klassakt]

I am also interested in this "radioshack" adaptor - searched the website and didnt find anything. Anyone have a picture or at least a description?

[Cursive]

I'm going to buy the one at RadioShack today too and try it out, I'll keep you posted.

[Angel-Jin]

here it is:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/Angel-Jin/usb.jpg

[okeygrak]

[QUOTE=Angel-Jin;124962]here it is:

Did you buy that at radioshack or online?

[bmore007]

I am extremely interested in finding out if the PS2 SGs will work on PS3 with an adapter. I'd hate to see the two I have go to waste. Even if just the buttons and strumming works with no whammy bar or overrdrive that's fine for bass.

[Huskie]

Found this posted recently by HMX's MattMoss: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=3589192&postcount=630


Yes, currently the PS3 Les Paul does _not_ work with RB/PS3.

This Official enough?

Apologies to MattMoss if I shouldn't have quoted this. I seemed to remember someone claiming in this topic that HMX has not commented on this issue.

[Cursive]

Well, Don't buy the PELICAN ADAPTER just yet, doesn't work.

No confirmation yet if it works using the Radio Shack adapter?

Wish someone that knew would let us know before we waste more money!

[NotorietyH]

This Official enough?

Well the currently gives me hope that it will at some stage.

[ian2783]

Found this posted recently by HMX's MattMoss: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=3589192&postcount=630


This Official enough?


key word there is CURRENTLY

[bmore007]

Well, Don't buy the PELICAN ADAPTER just yet, doesn't work.

No confirmation yet if it works using the Radio Shack adapter?

Wish someone that knew would let us know before we waste more money!

I don't think anyone knows!

lol I wish HMX would have tested all this stuff, and hopefully if it doesn't work they will release a patch that will make all these extra guitars people have lying around compatible.

[ShadowOfEden]

I sure hope this gets fixed. I ordered Rock Band this morning (I'm in Canada, and I didn't feel like getting ripped off for a month) and was thinking of buying GH3 as soon as I get my copy, because me and my gf lives together and we both prefer the guitar, so I was supposed to sell the drums and mics to a friend, and me and my gf would play the guit and bass, but now we would have to make a 2 people bands because we can't have 2 guits (we don't have a singer) and I would have to wait for the end of january to form a band? You're freaking kidding me.

If I would have heard this earlier, I would never have ordered it online.

FIX THIS BEFORE I GET THE FREAKING GAME!

[TheWolf619]

The PS2 to USB adapters from Radio Shack are in-store only.

[Mistersh0w]

So mid-day is upon us in the pacific and still no word from any official sources on this issue....We're definitely at the point of no return (literally if you bought GH3...), I'm about ready to throw the GD Les Paul out the freakin' window...Guitar Hero 3 was the biggest mistake purchase i've ever made...

[Catalytic]

So mid-day is upon us in the pacific and still no word from any official sources on this issue....We're definitely at the point of no return (literally if you bought GH3...), I'm about ready to throw the GD Les Paul out the freakin' window...Guitar Hero 3 was the biggest mistake purchase i've ever made...

Well if you're going to do that you may as well Pete Townsend it for the fun. I bought GH3 like others for the additonal guitar and am disheartened by the news ... but it is not like GH3 is a terrible game. It will be woth going back to at some point (maybe after I polish my expert skills in RB, I might be able to finish GH3 on hard (dreaming!)).

[Mistersh0w]

I dunno... I really don't see myself going back to play GH3. It's so incredibly difficult, (stuck on Lou, on hard) and the lag issues are unbelievable. That game is a great example of sloppy developing, and probably horrible QA! In retrospect, I'd hate for this issue to overshadow the absolute pure "Christmas day 1986!" excitement feeling i'm having just waiting for this day to be over...

[dinga6969]

This is the article copied straight from IGN, I'll post the link too.

November 19, 2007 - Sad news PS3 owners. Though we were lead to believe otherwise, the Guitar Hero III wireless Les Paul does not work with the PS3 version of Rock Band. After plugging in the GHIII dongle, you will discover that Rock Band in fact accepts the guitar inputs in the main menu. Don't be fooled. Rock Band recognizes the GHIII guitar merely as a controller (not a guitar) and will ask you to plug in a USB mic to continue. There is no option to force Rock Band to recognize the Les Paul controller as a guitar. The reasoning for this is unclear, since the GHIII controller works fine with Rock Band on Xbox 360.

Representatives for Harmonix and Red Octane were unavailable at the time of publish. However, we hope to get official word on why the GHIII controller doesn't work with Rock Band on PS3 soon. Let's hope a title update can be made to allow the Les Paul to be recognized as a guitar controller in Rock Band. Otherwise, there is no way for gamers to purchase a second guitar for Rock Band without buying the entire Rock Band bundle again.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836267p1.html

[Huskie]

So mid-day is upon us in the pacific and still no word from any official sources on this issue....We're definitely at the point of no return (literally if you bought GH3...), I'm about ready to throw the GD Les Paul out the freakin' window...Guitar Hero 3 was the biggest mistake purchase i've ever made...

MattMoss did on another forum. I posted it on the page before this one here (http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=124973&postcount=226)

[Angel-Jin]

the Les Paul is still good for use w/ Guitar Hero 3. I'm just getting kinda annoyed that now i have all these peripherals and none of them are interconnectable with different games. my DDR, IIDX, Popn, and Taiko stuff I can understand, but now I've got 3 guitars for PS2, and 2 for my PS3 and none of them work together. >.<

perhaps I should just go back to using my PS2. lol. NOT

[Catalytic]

the Les Paul is still good for use w/ Guitar Hero 3. I'm just getting kinda annoyed that now i have all these peripherals and none of them are interconnectable with different games. my DDR, IIDX, Popn, and Taiko stuff I can understand, but now I've got 3 guitars for PS2, and 2 for my PS3 and none of them work together. >.<

perhaps I should just go back to using my PS2. lol. NOT

Say what you want about the PS2, but at least everything works on it.

[Mistersh0w]

This is the article copied straight from IGN, I'll post the link too.

November 19, 2007 - Sad news PS3 owners. Though we were lead to believe otherwise, the Guitar Hero III wireless Les Paul does not work with the PS3 version of Rock Band. After plugging in the GHIII dongle, you will discover that Rock Band in fact accepts the guitar inputs in the main menu. Don't be fooled. Rock Band recognizes the GHIII guitar merely as a controller (not a guitar) and will ask you to plug in a USB mic to continue. There is no option to force Rock Band to recognize the Les Paul controller as a guitar. The reasoning for this is unclear, since the GHIII controller works fine with Rock Band on Xbox 360.

Representatives for Harmonix and Red Octane were unavailable at the time of publish. However, we hope to get official word on why the GHIII controller doesn't work with Rock Band on PS3 soon. Let's hope a title update can be made to allow the Les Paul to be recognized as a guitar controller in Rock Band. Otherwise, there is no way for gamers to purchase a second guitar for Rock Band without buying the entire Rock Band bundle again.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836267p1.html

Well there it is! CRAP PANTS!!!! ARGH! I'm soooooooooooooo trading gh3 in for Assassin's Creed now... I'd rather wait for individual RB guitars to be on sale then have to wait for some kind of "fix" for the LP...Sad day for us PS3 owners...