What happens to ps3 owners?

[MountainKing]

I'm sure I speak for most ps3 owners when I say...WTF??

Now that it has been confirmed that the Les Paul does NOT work for Rock Band, what do we do about having an extra guitar? What do the people do who were only buying the game and planned on using the Les Paul?

Can it be fixed with a patch?

Why the hell does it work on 360 and not on ps3??

I know there are mods from HMX here. The LEAST you could do is give SOME sort of response to this.

Thank you.

[monstrado]

well..

/wrists

hehe j/k, but seriously it's a sad truth that Harmonix did this crap

[jq715861]

Well it has been confirmed that there is going to be some sort of patch released tomorow. What is contained in that patch isn't completely known. It will be released along side the DLC tomorrow since the PSstore is going to update tomorrow with Thursday being Thanksgiving. So there is a sliver of hope.

[admanimal]

but seriously it's a sad truth that Harmonix did this crap

That is total crap. Why is it Harmonix's fault for not knowing the strange inner workings of another companies' guitar?

[peachpunker63]

yeah i got guitar hero 3 for the ps3 and was hoping to use the guitar for rock band. well i have to say is that we got screwed over, unless there is some possible way to fix it

[Catalytic]

What do PS3 owners do??? It sounds like we're taking it up the tailpipe!

Hopefully, HMX has something to say about this, but I'm not holding my breath.

[MrTorso]

So Harmonix is supposed to make sure that a competitors product that they didn't have access to while making the game works for their game?

[Balsac]

That is total crap. Why is it Harmonix's fault for not knowing the strange inner workings of another companies' guitar?

I agree... Harmonix bears no resposibilty for making sure that everyone elses equipment will function in their software environment. Red Octane/Neversoft/Activision are in complete control over the Les Paul hardware, not Harmonix.

[peachpunker63]

yeah i thought harmonix also said that they would allow third party controllers for their game and they picked the xbox 360 controller.

[mltdwn]

So Harmonix is supposed to make sure that a competitors product that they didn't have access to while making the game works for their game?

Have to agree here... Is it now also HMX responsibility to make sure their Fender works with GH? All they said was that they would try to make sure the equipment works together. Not their fault that RO made the PS3 guitar in such a way so as it doesn't work with RB.

[Huskie]

So Harmonix is supposed to make sure that a competitors product that they didn't have access to while making the game works for their game?

I agree with what you said.
I can't see how this is HMX's problem.

[MountainKing]

That is total crap. Why is it Harmonix's fault for not knowing the strange inner workings of another companies' guitar?

I personally don't give two flyin f***s whos fault it is.

I've loved Harmonix games since Frequency and refused to buy GH3 since they sold it. I just think how f'd up it is they noone will post here and say "Hey, sorry guys but we're workin on it as fast as we can"

Is that too much to ask just hoiurs before the friggin game releases? Seriously..think about it..

Are the people who bought the stand alone game for ps3 just gonna sit there and pick there ass or what??

[MountainKing]

So Harmonix is supposed to make sure that a competitors product that they didn't have access to while making the game works for their game?

....uh...it works for 360...that made no sense what so ever.

[Catalytic]

I personally don't give two flyin f***s whos fault it is.

I've loved Harmonix games since Frequency and refused to buy GH3 since they sold it. I just think how f'd up it is they noone will post here and say "Hey, sorry guys but we're workin on it as fast as we can"

Is that too much to ask just hoiurs before the friggin game releases? Seriously..think about it..

Are the people who bought the stand alone game for ps3 just gonna sit there and pick there ass or what??

At least, picking your ass is probably more productive than the stand alone game at this point. Some word one way or another would be nice, even if they said it's not our problem and we aren't going to fix it, at least it is an answer.

[mdbomb]

I personally don't give two flyin f***s whos fault it is.


THANK-YOU!!!! I could care less who's fault it is, or where to pass the blame. Someone fix or at least issue a statement on what is going on. This is a MAJOR issue for most people who own a PS3.

[mltdwn]

I personally don't give two flyin f***s whos fault it is.

I've loved Harmonix games since Frequency and refused to buy GH3 since they sold it. I just think how f'd up it is they noone will post here and say "Hey, sorry guys but we're workin on it as fast as we can"

Is that too much to ask just hoiurs before the friggin game releases? Seriously..think about it..

Are the people who bought the stand alone game for ps3 just gonna sit there and pick there ass or what??

Erm, hello ever hear of patents? Ever think that MAYBE there is something about the PS3 controller that makes it different enough that RO may have patented it? In which case HMX can't work on it. The ONLY thing they said would work was the GH1 and GH2 controllers, the 360 GH3 controller was just a bonus. So don't go blaming them when they delivered on what they promised.


....uh...it works for 360...that made no sense what so ever.

Uh genius the 360 version connects up in a different fashion. The PS3 uses Bluetooth, the 360 is either wired or uses wireless networking. Completely different means of talking.

[monstrado]

I agree... Harmonix bears no resposibilty for making sure that everyone elses equipment will function in their software environment. Red Octane/Neversoft/Activision are in complete control over the Les Paul hardware, not Harmonix.

If they advertise a feature such as that, then you put it in the game...you don't just NOT put it in and hope no one notices.

because obviously it's a huge issue, if it wasn't there wouldn't be a 25+ page post with people agreeing.

The fact is, Harmonix told everyone that the Les Paul would work, people BOUGHT GHIII based on this, and obviously they didn't even bother to test it out before they released it.

So yes, i'm blaming HMX. Don't take up for them, they made a mistake. They need to fix it


EDIT:

and I don't get a **** what they do, as long as they fix it.

[Iddy_Biddy]

I agree... Harmonix bears no resposibilty for making sure that everyone elses equipment will function in their software environment. Red Octane/Neversoft/Activision are in complete control over the Les Paul hardware, not Harmonix.

Yet the GHIII controller works for 360.

[jq715861]

....uh...it works for 360...that made no sense what so ever.

Exactly. This is the only reason that leads me to believe that the guitar does work with the game if it were wired, it's just the fact that the guitar for the PS3 is wireless and the dongle is messing something up. I'm guessing it has to do with the signal or something. So if they can patch it to make the signal be received as a guitar and not as a mic, the world will be sane again.

[MountainKing]

Erm, hello ever hear of patents? Ever think that MAYBE there is something about the PS3 controller that makes it different enough that RO may have patented it? In which case HMX can't work on it. The ONLY thing they said would work was the GH1 and GH2 controllers, the 360 GH3 controller was just a bonus. So don't go blaming them when they delivered on what they promised.

You just quoted me as sayin I dont care whos fault it is and that I love HMX. Then you tell me not to blame them. Genius.

I'm guessing all of you that are all of a sudden HMX body guards own a 360.

Edit: If you can show me a GH1 or GH2 guitar that works for the ps3 I'll go buy one this second.

[Frepin]

I don't agree with the idea that HMX has absolutely no responsibility when it comes to their PS3 customers and their ability to enjoy the game.

As a current software developer and a former game developer, it seems to me that RB reading the Les Paul as a controller and then requiring a USB mic to be plugged in is a software problem on HMX's side. Think about it: there's probably some little logic check in there to determine what kind of controller has been plugged in, and at the end of the case switch or whatever it is, there's a default in there that just says "this is a regular controller". I'd imagine all that would really be required is a better check.

Face it guys, HMX is relying on the installed base of third party guitars to make up for the fact they can't produce enough Fenders to give everybody that wants one a four player experience... imo, they are screwing PS3 owners pretty bad on this.

[monstrado]

I agree with what you said.
I can't see how this is HMX's problem.

They...Advertised...The...Feature...For...Months.. .It...Should...Work..............................-_-

[Cursive]

We got Hosed!

[monstrado]

Also, I don't feel that xbox users have any right to judge our opinion, as well as vote their own.

I know for a fact if this happened to them they would be *****ing just like we are.

[admanimal]

Harmonix told everyone that the Les Paul would work

I'm not necessarily doubting you...but do we have a quote from Harmonix that says this? You know how the internet is...one game site says something and next thing you know, it's quoted as coming from Harmonix themselves.

[jq715861]

I don't agree with the idea that HMX has absolutely no responsibility when it comes to their PS3 customers and their ability to enjoy the game.

As a current software developer and a former game developer, it seems to me that RB reading the Les Paul as a controller and then requiring a USB mic to be plugged in is a software problem on HMX's side. Think about it: there's probably some little logic check in there to determine what kind of controller has been plugged in, and at the end of the case switch or whatever it is, there's a default in there that just says "this is a regular controller". I'd imagine all that would really be required is a better check.

Face it guys, HMX is relying on the installed base of third party guitars to make up for the fact they can't produce enough Fenders to give everybody that wants one a four player experience... imo, they are screwing PS3 owners pretty bad on this.

Well if it's a software problem it can be fixed through some sort of patch, right?

And to someone prior in this thread both guitars are wireless/dongles but NEITHER are bluetooth.

[mltdwn]

They...Advertised...The...Feature...For...Months.. .It...Should...Work..............................-_-

Um no they didn't.... The ONLY feature they advertised was the GH1 and GH2 guitars would work. GH3 guitars would work only if Activision/NS/RO allowed them to code for those guitars. They didn't. Thus there is no guaruntee it would work and never has been. The 360 working is a fluke.

[peachpunker63]

i tdoes kinda piss the ps3 owners off because i am one of them. if we buy guitar hero 3 and expect to use the les paul for rock band, then find out 2 days before the game launches that it doesnt work! well i dont care either who's fault it is, but harmonix hopefully will come up with a solution in the next couple of months.

[LongDarkBlues]

The fact is, Harmonix told everyone that the Les Paul would work, people BOUGHT GHIII based on this, and obviously they didn't even bother to test it out before they released it.
Where? I've only seen dozens of comments where they said they didn't know exactly how it would work with the Les Paul and that they were keeping open controller standards if other companies wanted to make their equipment work with the game.

I imagine in has something to do with the PS3s bluetooth issue and the necessity for the wireless dongles.

Also, nobody made you go out and buy GHIII before this came out and it was confirmed - it's a risk you chose to make to get the game at launch.

[MountainKing]

Also, I don't feel that xbox users have any right to judge our opinion, as well as vote their own.

I know for a fact if this happened to them they would be *****ing just like we are.

A-men. Instead, since they have no worries, they will come in here like they're best friends with everyone in the company and tell us to stop complaining.

[Frepin]

The fact that you can navigate the menus with the PS3 Les Paul means that it's absolutely a patchable software issue. I fully expect HMX will patch this... my only problem is this: HMX has *allowed* the idea of third party compatibility to flourish for months now, and if there isn't a day 1 patch to address the issue, they've totally dropped the ball.

[MountainKing]

Um no they didn't.... The ONLY feature they advertised was the GH1 and GH2 guitars would work. GH3 guitars would work only if Activision/NS/RO allowed them to code for those guitars. They didn't. Thus there is no guaruntee it would work and never has been. The 360 working is a fluke.

Are you getting RB on 360??

If you are, please stop posting here just to be a *****, ok?

[theblob]

Yet the GHIII controller works for 360.

Probably since Harmonix/RO made GH2 360, and the controller works the same as the 360 Les Paul made by RO as well, so they are identical. AND with the knowledge of the working of the X-Plorer, they made Rock Band 360. Just a hunch.

[thrdeye]

I wouldn't completely rule out the dongle being the culprit. It was not up to par with making the guitar work properly with GH3, which is the game it was designed for. The dongle is probably thinking to itself "i'm goin to asplode" when you put in the RB disk.

[jq715861]

The fact that you can navigate the menus with the PS3 Les Paul means that it's absolutely a patchable software issue. I fully expect HMX will patch this... my only problem is this: HMX has *allowed* the idea of third party compatibility to flourish for months now, and if there isn't a day 1 patch to address the issue, they've totally dropped the ball.

Ok, thats good. I mean they must have known that this was a problem the day Guitar Hero 3 was released. Like no one at Harmonix didn't purchase a PS3 copy of GH3 is almost impossible and didn't bring it in to try it out. I hope this patch that is going to be released the first day has it. I'm going to wait in trading in GH3 until the weekend to see what the deal is.

[mltdwn]

And to someone prior in this thread both guitars are wireless/dongles but NEITHER are bluetooth.

You are right, just got through researching it; HOWEVER, the 360 one uses the 360's built in wireless. The PS3 on the other hand uses a seperate proprietary wireless setup designed by RO. Kind of hard to HMX to "make their game" work with some specially jacked up wireless.

Sony doesn't allow third party developers (i.e. Red Octane) support for the built in Bluetooth, that only goes to First party Sony developers which is why they have to have the USB adapter. So how is HMX supposed to know what signals that dongle is sending to the PS3?

[Huskie]

They...Advertised...The...Feature...For...Months.. .It...Should...Work..............................-_-

Where did they ever say that the PS3 GH3 guitar will work?

[Rock_Starman]

People seem to think this stuff is simple.
I explained the most likely reason it doesn't work in the other topic. I'll copy and paste:

It works on the 360 and not the PS3 because the 360 Les Paul doesn't have a dongle and both games use the same built in wireless format and the Explorer is wired so that wouldn't have any effect. As previously said the Strat doesn't work with GH 3 because they blocked it out.

The PS3 GH 3 has a dongle and RB doesn't reconize it because obviously they wouldn't have been able to program the game to reconize the GH 3 dongle without having one and even then there could be some legal stuff there. Had they both used the built in Blue Tooth it should've worked.

and also why they probably couldn't do anything about it in another topic:

Possible legalities aside even IF the folks at Harmonix had gotten GH 3 on the 28th and found it had not worked with RB,the game was announced as gold (as in disc printing,bundle packaging etc.) on Nov 5th wich means they wouldn't have had enough time to do something about it anyway. They'd have to find out how the GH 3 guitar/dongle works and then recode part of the game wich would take a lot longer than what they had. They probably would've had to get their hands on GH 3 in like September to do anything about it and I doubt RO was kind enough to send them one then.

[mltdwn]

Are you getting RB on 360??

If you are, please stop posting here just to be a *****, ok?

How is it being a ***** asking why they should make it work simply because you demand it? You act as if they "wronged" you when they NEVER said the GH3 guitar would work. You made the choice to buy the game because YOU thought it would work (when they never claimed it would) with the PS3 Les Paul. Now you know first hand what happens when you assume.

[MountainKing]

I'm not understanding where all of you are getting that HMX and Red Octane hate each other??

They were partners before they sold the rights to GH. Really, what are the chances they didnt research this before hand. I mean, if they didn't, then WHY are they releasing just the disc if there is no way for someone who is buying JUST the disc to play it?

[ChodTheWacko]

In which case HMX can't work on it. The ONLY thing they said would work was the GH1 and GH2 controllers, the 360 GH3 controller was just a bonus.

So don't go blaming them when they delivered on what they promised.


No, no, if they had said from the start that only XBOX 360 GHIII controller worked, then
that's fine.

That's hugely different than saying generically that the GHIII controllers will work,
and then only finding out after you buy the game that it won't work. HMX's major sin
here was bad testing.

That being said, would everyone here please CHILL OUT.
For god sakes, the game isn't even officially out yet.

I'm sure they are busting their asses trying to get this fixed before it goes out to
the general public. You know that as soon as anyone official posts ANYTHING,
it's going to get quoted out to the web all over the place. You can't blame them
for being careful about what to post.

That being said, if anyone from Harmonix reads this, a simple 'we acknowledge there
is a problem and we are working on it' would do wonders. Although even that will
result just in a barrage of ETA requests, which as a programmer I know is extremely
difficult to estimate.

- Frank

[MountainKing]

How is it being a ***** asking why they should make it work simply because you demand it? You act as if they "wronged" you when they NEVER said the GH3 guitar would work. You made the choice to buy the game because YOU thought it would work (when they never claimed it would) with the PS3 Les Paul. Now you know first hand what happens when you assume.

I noticed you haven't answered my question. Since I already know the answer to it, it doesnt matter.

If you owned a ps3, you would be right here saying the same thing.

[Frepin]

In that case HMX should have come out and told people, not let the idea percolate in people's heads that these guitars would work. I mean hell, major review outlets were saying this stuff and there was no post even here on the company forums to dispel the rumour.

[imagine]

Keep IN MIND - Neversoft was sold the code and the development rights for Guitar Hero. I'm sure the two companies are on good terms and have made provisions regarding interoperability.

Why do you guys think there are so many similar songs? They probably negotiated them as a group bundle on licensing. It would make sense for the two companies to partner and possibly make revenue off of each other

[mltdwn]

Um... I never said they stated the guitars would work. Re-read what I wrote. they only said that the GH1 and 2 guitars would work. That is the only thing they have ever said would work. The fact that the GH3 360 guitar just happens to work is pure luck and nothing more than that, and HMX does not and has never made any claims that it should work.


I noticed you haven't answered my question. Since I already know the answer to it, it doesnt matter.

If you owned a ps3, you would be right here saying the same thing.

And no I wouldn't because I am buying the full kit instead of trying to cheap out of it. I have zero expectation that my GH2 guitar will work (or that my kids won't break it in the meantime) so it only makes sense to buy the whole thing. If you "choose" to buy just the game, and none of the hardware, then you run the risk of non-HMX gear not working with it. It's your own fault for it not theirs, as they again have NEVER claimed that anything but HMX made/GH1/GH2 equipment would work with it. In other words try accepting some responsibility for your own actions instead of shoving it on HMX.

[MountainKing]

No, no, if they had said from the start that only XBOX 360 GHIII controller worked, then
that's fine.

That's hugely different than saying generically that the GHIII controllers will work,
and then only finding out after you buy the game that it won't work. HMX's major sin
here was bad testing.

That being said, would everyone here please CHILL OUT.
For god sakes, the game isn't even officially out yet.

I'm sure they are busting their asses trying to get this fixed before it goes out to
the general public. You know that as soon as anyone official posts ANYTHING,
it's going to get quoted out to the web all over the place. You can't blame them
for being careful about what to post.

That being said, if anyone from Harmonix reads this, a simple 'we acknowledge there
is a problem and we are working on it' would do wonders. Although even that will
result just in a barrage of ETA requests, which as a programmer I know is extremely
difficult to estimate.

- Frank


EXACTLY. All I'm asking for is a single comment. Anything.

[MountainKing]

Um... I never said they stated the guitars would work. Re-read what I wrote. they only said that the GH1 and 2 guitars would work. That is the only thing they have ever said would work. The fact that the GH3 360 guitar just happens to work is pure luck and nothing more than that, and HMX does not and has never made any claims that it should work.

Dude, seriously....blow it out yer ass.

We get it. Stop repeating yourself.

[Iddy_Biddy]

I still don't understand why there was no testing done month's in advanced. With that, they could have fixed the problem way before the game came out.

[LongDarkBlues]

I noticed you haven't answered my question. Since I already know the answer to it, it doesnt matter.
If you owned a ps3, you would be right here saying the same thing.
It must be really hard to be indignant, 14 and without any sense of personal responsibility.

[iNiGhTmAr3]

Dude, seriously....blow it out yer ass.

We get it. Stop repeating yourself.

Yeah he always does that. He's a 360 fan boy.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

This thread is a joke....

[MountainKing]

It must be really hard to be indignant, 14 and without any sense of personal responsibility.

Are you referring to me?

[dragulaAC]

I do own a ps3, and I have had RB reserved for well over a month now. Been here for 5 months or so as well. I didn't hastily go buy GH3 for ps3 thinking that the Les Paul was going to work. I was thinking that that would be the plan, after I found out for certain that it would work. However, since HMX NEVER confirmed it, I didn't go out and buy it. I already have 2 sg ps2 guitars, and I'm waiting for someone to confirm one way or another if they will work using a converter.

I don't blame HMX for anything, and I'm not pissed off about anything. Just calmly waiting for an answer.

[MountainKing]

Um... I never said they stated the guitars would work. Re-read what I wrote. they only said that the GH1 and 2 guitars would work. That is the only thing they have ever said would work. The fact that the GH3 360 guitar just happens to work is pure luck and nothing more than that, and HMX does not and has never made any claims that it should work.



And no I wouldn't because I am buying the full kit instead of trying to cheap out of it. I have zero expectation that my GH2 guitar will work (or that my kids won't break it in the meantime) so it only makes sense to buy the whole thing. If you "choose" to buy just the game, and none of the hardware, then you run the risk of non-HMX gear not working with it. It's your own fault for it not theirs, as they again have NEVER claimed that anything but HMX made/GH1/GH2 equipment would work with it. In other words try accepting some responsibility for your own actions instead of shoving it on HMX.

I AM buying the whole kit and considering buying two of them. My problem is that I won't have the 4th part of the BAND experience. I also have a friend who bought GH3 to eventually use the LP as a bass.

And for the last time...I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE.

[mltdwn]

I AM buying the whole kit and considering buying two of them. My problem is that I won't have the 4th part of the BAND experience. I also have a friend who bought GH3 to eventually use the LP as a bass.

And for the last time...I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE.

Hrm...


I'm sure I speak for most ps3 owners when I say...WTF??

Now that it has been confirmed that the Les Paul does NOT work for Rock Band, what do we do about having an extra guitar? What do the people do who were only buying the game and planned on using the Les Paul?

Can it be fixed with a patch?

Why the hell does it work on 360 and not on ps3??

I know there are mods from HMX here. The LEAST you could do is give SOME sort of response to this.

Thank you.

Sounds pretty demanding and blaming to me, especially with the emphasis you put on it.... Or do you write professional letters at work the same way?

[Quastor]

http://images.mccoveychronicles.com/images/admin/BeatDeadHorse.gif

We don't need another thread about this. Can a mod please lock it and direct everyone to the already existing thread?

[Huskie]

I do own a ps3, and I have had RB reserved for well over a month now. Been here for 5 months or so as well. I didn't hastily go buy GH3 for ps3 thinking that the Les Paul was going to work. I was thinking that that would be the plan, after I found out for certain that it would work. However, since HMX NEVER confirmed it, I didn't go out and buy it. I already have 2 sg ps2 guitars, and I'm waiting for someone to confirm one way or another if they will work using a converter.

I don't blame HMX for anything, and I'm not pissed off about anything. Just calmly waiting for an answer.

Wise decision there.

[jordan15b]

i really feel bad for you guys that your les paul wont work and it should becuase if the 360 does the ps3 also should of course i dont even have the les paul gutar i have my xplorer which does work even though i have a bigger problem actually getting the game becuase i forgot to preorder

[MountainKing]

Hrm...



Sounds pretty demanding and blaming to me, especially with the emphasis you put on it.... Or do you write professional letters at work the same way?

Because I want some kind of reply as to whats going to be done about it if anything?

Yeah, real demanding. Anyway, as fun as it may be to argue with fanboys all day, I'll pass. I never asked for your opinion or anyone elses for that matter. I asked for an official reply. I can't stand these forums and all the whiny little bastards that come here in the first place. I only come for new info.

Thanks again for proving that all you 360 girls are ignorant.

[tbradshaw]

Man, this really sucks for PS3 owners. For the longest time I mulled over which system to buy RB for, the 360 or the PS3. In the end, I went with the 360 only because it's seemed like more of a "sure thing".

I think there are a few things that would help the discussion:

1) There's no reason to get bent out of shape at the disappointed PS3 guys that thought they had a second (or only?) guitar figured out and then found out recently that it doesn't. It's a crappy situation and this community does a pretty good job at letting people vent a bit. Not everyone lives with few dozen Rock Band fans that can appreciate just how much of a bummer this is.

2) Harmonix has never said that the Les Paul worked with Rock Band. They always said that they followed controller standards and that most guitar controllers will work with Rock Band. This is exactly why. They never provided false advertising, and so now that Red Octane's controller ends up taking a dive, they don't have to take responsibility for it.

3) It's probably unreasonable to expect a response to this right away. To be clear, the Les Paul not working with Rock Band isn't a problem with the Rock Band package as it is advertised. Hopefully in the near future we'll get a patch that can fix this. (Maybe this is in the launch day patch for both platforms?)

It's a ****ty situation for the PS3 fans. It's cool to defend Harmonix and stuff, but there's no reason to blame our fellow gamers for not somehow knowing how the internals of Red Octane's guitar works. Hindsight is 20/20 and this seems unsurprising with the evidence, but there was no reason for PS3 owners to expect problems, especially with the 360 controllers working.

[tbradshaw]

We don't need another thread about this. Can a mod please lock it and direct everyone to the already existing thread?

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Please continue this conversation here:
http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=7944