I don't understand the obsessions with Tool & Muse that go on on this forum

[Snitsky]

I see these 2 bands requested so much on these forums its insane

They both seem to have insane ammounts of crazy fans that love them alot

I however do not see what the big deal is

This isn't supposed to turn into a flame war so don't get all pissed off and defensive about it

I know Tool has a great drummer and bassist but other than that imo I don't like their singer or guitarist or their overall style of their songs they are kinda odd I like "Sober" by them but thats all

Then Muse I just don't see what the deal with them is at all as far as I've heard none of their instruments appeal to me much and their singing sounds like justin timberlake with a back massager vibrating on his throat or something in most songs. All of their songs just are very odd and out there sounding

Before I started coming on these forums alot I would have no idea that so many people actually love Muse & Tool does the RB community just have a thing for out there odd music or something?

[HDS2008]

Tool is just an awesome band, Sober is a cool song but it's not really representative of their overall musical work. Another cool thing about having band like Tool on RB would be that all the instruments have equal parts and but at the same time each instrument is very distinct, making their music interesting throughout. Muse is also a really cool band, but I rather have more Radiohead, they have sorta similar sounds. If you give Tool an honest chance, I can guarantee that you would like it. Start with either Lateralus or AEnema, in My opinion these are their two best albums, 10,000 Days would be the next one, then Undertow, followed by Opiate; They are all great, but that's how I would rank them.

Another band that is great but a bit under-rated is King Crimson (1969-2003), these guys kick ass.

[My name is Fez]

Simple answer: Both are awesome.

If you don't like Tool, fine, but I would like to say that you shouldn't knock Maynard. Don't like his style of singing or his tone? Fine, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that he's a very talented singer.

And as for Matthew Bellamy, I sincerely disagree with the Timberlake remark. The massage part? Maybe. But not the Timberlake part.

But, over-all, bands like Tool or Muse with an "odd out there" sound are what they are: very unique, very creative, and people will either love them or hate them. There's no "eh, they're all right." People either dig it or they don't.

And a lot of members of the RB community dig it.

Hell, I can say the same for the fanatical Rush obsession on these forums (and I'm even a Rush fan), but I understand that a lot of people just really dig it for the same reasons you're not into Tool and Muse.


If you give Tool an honest chance, I can guarantee that you would like it.

There is no such thing as a universally liked musician. No one is awesome enough for ANYONE to like them after an "honest chance."

[cdestey]

Before I started coming on these forums alot I would have no idea that so many people actually love Muse & Tool does the RB community just have a thing for out there odd music or something?

You do realize that they are both multi-platinum selling bands, right? It's not just the RB community.

[Dr. Wagner]

OP, have you seen Muse live? They are amazing, and Matt Bellamy is crazy talented. The Justin Timberlake comparison is just dumb man.

[HDS2008]

Simple answer:
There is no such thing as a universally liked musician. No one is awesome enough for ANYONE to like them after an "honest chance."

I do not agree with this, becase I was specifically talking about a person who likes RB, who obviously likes some kind of Rock music and Tool is not a totally "out there" band. I can see how my Mom wouldnt like Tool, even if she tried, but I think that members of this community might not find them obscure if they actually listened to their material. I think there are band out there, that are deep enough to have this effect; Tool and Radiohead are two bands that did this for me, I didn't like them at first, but after I decided to Really listening to them, I was blown away.

[Captain_Cool]

Yeah I always thought it was a bit strange, but whatever.
But a weird thing I've noticed is many Tool fans are...a bit too hardcore, and only listen to Tool and bands Tool likes, and call everything else crap, but thankfully those guys aren't here.

[HDS2008]

I dont know about many fans, but there are crazy, hardcore fans for a lot of bands. I personally like all kinds of music mostly Rock; From Spanish Rock to Classic rock, punk, some Metal, some industrial, Prog. Rock, Acid Rock, Alt. Rock, Jazz, Fusion, some classical etc. etc; I'm pretty open-minded with my music selection. The only music I do not like is emo, I can not stand emo.

[back_blows]

I do not agree with this, becase I was specifically talking about a person who likes RB, who obviously likes some kind of Rock music and Tool is not a totally "out there" band. I can see how my Mom wouldnt like Tool, even if she tried, but I think that members of this community might not find them obscure if they actually listened to their material. I think there are band out there, that are deep enough to have this effect; Tool and Radiohead are two bands that did this for me, I didn't like them at first, but after I decided to Really listening to them, I was blown away.

Actually, I completely agree with Fez's statement. Name a band and you'll find someone who dislikes them. Everyone has different tastes in music and while bands like Tool or Radiohead have wide appeal, there will always be people (such as myself) who don't like them due to the vocalist's style. I don't like Tool because I have yet to find one of their song's where Maynard doesn't implement his bland style of singing.

[ExpertDrummer]

...Dude,Tool is freaking awesome.
I dont know who Muse is,but if there are a lot of threads about them,I guess they are awesome.

[MousFtw]

You said that you didn't like them because they're both "Out there" or "Odd". Well, that's just it. It's a certain taste, which you don't have. That's how music has been forever. Why make another thread about it?

[TheHip41]

OP, not to flame, but you have horrible taste in music.

Tool is one of the most professional bands out there. Not only are they a great band together, and put on live performances, they are all top tier musicians.

For Tool, check out songs like

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46+2
stinkfist
lateralis
vicarious
jambi
rosetta stoned
schism


it's not just some pop song, they are so layered. just take vicarious. just really listen to it. it's one of the greatest songs of all time. you know a song is great when it's 7.5 minutes long and gets tons of airplay uncut.


As for Muse, black holes and revelations and the cd before that are so amazing.

different than tool, more like Incubus. you are doing yourself a disservice if you dont try to get into these bands more.

[ExpertDrummer]

OP, not to flame, but you have horrible taste in music.

Tool is one of the most professional bands out there. Not only are they a great band together, and put on live performances, they are all top tier musicians.

For Tool, check out songs like

H.
46+2
stinkfist
lateralis
vicarious
jambi
rosetta stoned
schism


it's not just some pop song, they are so layered. just take vicarious. just really listen to it. it's one of the greatest songs of all time. you know a song is great when it's 7.5 minutes long and gets tons of airplay uncut.


As for Muse, black holes and revelations and the cd before that are so amazing.

different than tool, more like Incubus. you are doing yourself a disservice if you dont try to get into these bands more.

:) Definitely QFT :)

[MousFtw]

OP, not to flame, but you have horrible taste in music.

Tool is one of the most professional bands out there. Not only are they a great band together, and put on live performances, they are all top tier musicians.

For Tool, check out songs like

H.
46+2
stinkfist
lateralis
vicarious
jambi
rosetta stoned
schism


it's not just some pop song, they are so layered. just take vicarious. just really listen to it. it's one of the greatest songs of all time. you know a song is great when it's 7.5 minutes long and gets tons of airplay uncut.


As for Muse, black holes and revelations and the cd before that are so amazing.

different than tool, more like Incubus. you are doing yourself a disservice if you dont try to get into these bands more.

Every piece of media that Muse throws out is a masterpiece, not just those two albums.

[Snitsky]

Its not like I made this topic without actually knowing these bands music

I have on a couple of occasions gone on youtube and looked up random tool songs and I know a decent handful of muse songs from TV and GH and RB

I don't think tool is "Bad" or anything I just think their songs are really trippy and weird and I don't particularly like their singing and their guitar isn't great plus their music videos are really weird

[AceOfSpades24]

You can't force somebody to like a band. If they don't like something, it's not because they didn't give them a chance.

I don't care for Muse, Tool, or Radiohead and their fanbases are some of the most defensive and obnoxious I've ever seen. (Not necessarily on these boards.)

Edit: If you want some really far out and trippy music give a listen to some 60s bands like Silver Apples and Hawkwind.

[PatsFan103082]

In my opinion, Tool is kinda boring. Most of their songs sound the same and Maynard's voice isnt that great. I dont understand why everyone thinks he's so good, I mean it isnt like he can do anything with his voice except sing the same pitch like he does in every song. I like a few Tool songs but they're nothing special.

[Bubblegum]

I can't really speak for Tool, but Muse...
Matt Bellamy's voice is, in my opinion, absolutely amazing.
But I guess it's an acquired taste. At first I did think it was a little weird (especially the extensive use of falsetto), but it grew on me more and more.
His voice sounds a hell of a lot different from Justin Timberlake's, though. Matt's voice is far brighter than Justin's, for starters. I could go on much further if I knew Justin Timberlake's voice as well as I know Matt Bellamy's.
Their sound is a little odd, yes. Kinda trippy, even, in some cases. And it's the line you draw between good-weird and bad-weird that defines whether or not you'll like them.
Basically, they have such a huge following because they know what they're doing and they do that really, really well. The people who don't appreciate their thing will not like them, and the people that do probably will.

[sitbooboosit]

What I don't understand is the hating on talented bands. I don't like Tool, yet I recognize the fact that they are extremely talented musicians and good songwriters, it's just not my style. Muse, however, is one of my favorite bands and they have a very unique and crafty style.

I can understand hating on crappy sellout pop-rock throwaway trash bands like Daughtry and Nickelback, but to hate on artists that have a buttload of musical talent? That's just low.

[defenestrater]

But, over-all, bands like Tool or Muse with an "odd out there" sound are what they are: very unique, very creative, and people will either love them or hate them. There's no "eh, they're all right." People either dig it or they don't.


Actually I would probably describe my feelings for Tool and Muse both as "eh, they're all right." Nothing against either band, and I can see what people like about them, but neither band gets much of a reaction from me one way or another.

[PatsFan103082]

Um, when did anybody hate on Tool or Muse? I dont recall anyone saying anything beyond not understanding the obsession that some people have with them.

Also,early Nickelback was good and ,although I'm not a fan, you cant call Daughtry a sellout since he turned down a solo contract to continue with the band he had before.

One other thing, I never said anything about the rest of Tool, but in my opinion it doesnt take a whole lot of talent to sing the same song over and over again except with different lyrics. That's pretty much what Maynard James Keenan does.

[HDS2008]

Tool is my favorite band, but I can understand if some people cant get into them. I dont think has two songs that sound the same thou, their music is pretty unique, so I dont know what you are talking about; they have a very Dynamic sound.

When I said that if you give a band an "honest" try, I didnt literally mean they were going to instantly become your favorite band. What I meant to say, was that if you really listen to a talented band like them, you MAY develop a better understanding of why people like them so much; even if they are not your style. They can be hard to get in to because their songs sounds really complex, and a lot of people are not used to so many layers, sounds and complex time signatures. But to each its own, I happen to really like them, just like I like Pink Floyd, Bad Religion, Metallica, The Smashing Pumpkins, King Crmson etc. That's just my taste in music.

[sitbooboosit]

Um, when did anybody hate on Tool or Muse? I dont recall anyone saying anything beyond not understanding the obsession that some people have with them.

Also,early Nickelback was good and ,although I'm not a fan, you cant call Daughtry a sellout since he turned down a solo contract to continue with the band he had before.

One other thing, I never said anything about the rest of Tool, but in my opinion it doesnt take a whole lot of talent to sing the same song over and over again except with different lyrics. That's pretty much what Maynard James Keenan does.

I think you've got Keenan mixed up with the guy from Nickelback.

[Destromas]

I see these 2 bands requested so much on these forums its insane

They both seem to have insane ammounts of crazy fans that love them alot

I however do not see what the big deal is

This isn't supposed to turn into a flame war so don't get all pissed off and defensive about it

I know Tool has a great drummer and bassist but other than that imo I don't like their singer or guitarist or their overall style of their songs they are kinda odd I like "Sober" by them but thats all

Then Muse I just don't see what the deal with them is at all as far as I've heard none of their instruments appeal to me much and their singing sounds like justin timberlake with a back massager vibrating on his throat or something in most songs. All of their songs just are very odd and out there sounding

Before I started coming on these forums alot I would have no idea that so many people actually love Muse & Tool does the RB community just have a thing for out there odd music or something?

Too many requests, I agree. But they're not completely unwarranted.

[Phategod1]

I didn't know Who Muse was before posting on this thread. And it was not the Muse thread someone actually stated how insane for the singer it would be to have MicroCuts. but that was introduction and I must say that after listening to them there a much deeper band then most here in the states and I think there composition style is a hell of a lot better then Radiohead.

[TakeABow]

I am probably the biggest proponent of Muse on these forums, so I can speak for the British three-piece;

Muse blends progressive rock, electronica, and classical arpeggi together with a blast of over-the-top
visually dazzling performances and Queen inspired stage antics and a dash of Radiohead-style experimentation.

They are quite unique, and also very talented musicians. Singer/guitar Matt Bellamy has quite a vocal range, and sings while playing some very complicated riffs. They are known for their amazing live performances, crazy light shows and precision reminiscent of Jethro Tull on stage. Intense is a good word to describe their shows. They play songs that aim to be epic, eerie, and powerful, and they succeed enough that one reviewer even called on of their songs an "spaced-out, intergalactic epic".

They managed to sell out the new Wembley Stadium (90,000 people) two nights in a row during their Black Holes and Revelations tour in 2007, which is a testament to their popularity.

They first hit the US with their 3rd studio album, titled Absolution, which did very well, with songs like 'Time is Running Out' getting lots of Clear channel radio time. Their 4th record, Black Holes and Revelations, was even more popular, delivering instant popular hits 'Starlight' and 'Supermassive Black Hole'. They headlined Lollapalooza 2007 (Grant Park, Chicago) and a number of other festivals since then, and have achieved enormous success worldwide.

Their fanbase is equal parts obsessive and enormous. Which is reflected in this forum (and many other places, including 5 playable tracks in the Guitar Hero game series), and is owed mainly to Muse's ability to craft a sound that is really all their own. Radiohead comparisons are bound to spring up (the producer of The Bends also produced Muse's first LP, Showbiz), but then again, comparing anything to Radiohead is usually difficult as well.

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Whoever said nobody can go "eh" to Tool, I have to disagree. I respect Tool as musicians, but honestly "Eh" is my opinion of them.

[xdoctortx]

Muse live is something everyone should catch before they die.