Reach out to CHRISTIAN GAMERS...

[lambofgod1]

I would really like to see a christian song or two on this game, then, i would withou-a-doubt, buy an xbox 360 and this game....and i think that others would like to hear a christian song or two too...here are a few bands and songs that almost everyone knows....


TYLER READ-The Killer
TYLER READ-Intentions
TYLER READ-Michael Jackson...(dont ask, im not sure why they named it that)
TYLER READ-Only Rock And Roll Can Save Us Now
TYLER READ-All You Need Is Love, But
TYLER READ-The Litmus Test
TYLER READ-Baby's Got A Temper
TYLER READ-Private School Girls
STRYPER - To Hell With The Devil...I know all you 80's people have heard of these guys
STRYPER - Free
STRYPER - Cant Stop The Rock
STRYPER - Soldiers Under Command
THOUSAND FOOT KRUTCH - Move
RED - Breathe Into Me
RED - Hide
RED - Let Go
RED - Already Over
RED - Gave It All Away
PILLAR - Frontline
PILLAR - Bring Me Down
PILLAR - Crossfire
PILLAR - Resolution
PILLAR - The Rckoning
PILLAR - When Tmorrow Comes
WHITE CROSS - Long road to walk (80's)
UNDEROATH- Reinventing Your Exit (hardcore/screamo)
DEMON HUNTER (hardcore/scream)
BLINDSIDE- Pitiful (hard rock/alternative)
SEVENTH DAY SLUMBER-Shattered Life
SEVENTH DAY SLUMBER-Make Believe
SEVENTH DAY SLUMBER-Awake
SKILLET-Rebirthing
SKILLET-My Obsession (rock/alternative)


I encourage everone to listen to these bands, i guarantee, if you like rock, you will like one of these bands whether your into plain rock, 80's rock, screamo, or hardcore.....

[Rev0lver]

yeah, but most songs wouldn't work for the game. for example, demon hunter has such low vocals and simple guitar parts it wouldn't fit in. plus, jesus music sucks.

[sa_nick]

From all the bands listed above I've only ever heard of POD because of that one song they had years back, it wasn't too bad.

Personally I don't think they should make a point to put in Christian rock just because I don't think that any religion should have anything to do with the game, it's about playin' cool music.

If there's a rockin' song that would be awesome for the game and it just happens to be sung by a group that is known for their religious beliefs then go right ahead and put it in! If there's a rockin' song by a band that hates a certain religion and that message comes across strong in the song, screw it, put that in to.

[Ardius]

yeah.......I find songs that are written in an attempt to put out certain messages are usually crap, and I dont just mean religous ones, plenty of bands write songs in an attempt to say something, i.e. drugs or something. They just dont work, unless its a bit better than "dont do drugs, dont shoot guns, dont go to war, dont swear, etc etc). As long as the songs are about something related to the subject, then thats fine.........but trying really hard to put out specific messages in your lyrics just ruins the feel of songs.
Now, thats my reservation about Christian Rock or any band really, they tend to do that stuff a lot, it doesnt seem to be about the music for most of them, just trying to reach out to people with some cheesy, annoying, moral message........which doesnt exactly lend itself to great instrumental work.

If Christians feel they cant play the game because there is no christian-specific rock in it, then they should stop being so narrow-minded, do you really feel that you will be punished for listening/playing to standard rock and metal? Dont be silly.
Also, if you feel that some songs are "promoting" satanism, man, get your head out of the toilet, rofl. Just because a song has "666" as its chorus (like in Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast) or has lyrics portraying satan in a good light, doesnt necesarily mean its promoting satanism or trying to make people believe that the devil is good. There are an extremely small miniority of bands that might be satanists, but they sure aint popular enough to get on this game.
Besides, if you are christian, surely you must believe in the devil? If you dont believe in the devil existing, you aint a christian.


(Btw, I wasnt inferring that the OP was claiming any of the songs put people off because of satanistic themes, just covering that angle of argument :D )

[SoraRikuVGM]

I am Christian, and I would love to see a Christian song in, but I'm still buying even if there are none.

[dark_maiden]

yeah, but most songs wouldn't work for the game. for example, demon hunter has such low vocals and simple guitar parts it wouldn't fit in. plus, jesus music sucks.

good on you jesus music does suck! Plus, they should keep it for music that rocks and not music that everyone likes

[TheRocker]

yeah.......I find songs that are written in an attempt to put out certain messages are usually crap, and I dont just mean religous ones, plenty of bands write songs in an attempt to say something, i.e. drugs or something. They just dont work, unless its a bit better than "dont do drugs, dont shoot guns, dont go to war, dont swear, etc etc). As long as the songs are about something related to the subject, then thats fine.........but trying really hard to put out specific messages in your lyrics just ruins the feel of songs.
Now, thats my reservation about Christian Rock or any band really, they tend to do that stuff a lot, it doesnt seem to be about the music for most of them, just trying to reach out to people with some cheesy, annoying, moral message........which doesnt exactly lend itself to great instrumental work.

If Christians feel they cant play the game because there is no christian-specific rock in it, then they should stop being so narrow-minded, do you really feel that you will be punished for listening/playing to standard rock and metal? Dont be silly.
Also, if you feel that some songs are "promoting" satanism, man, get your head out of the toilet, rofl. Just because a song has "666" as its chorus (like in Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast) or has lyrics portraying satan in a good light, doesnt necesarily mean its promoting satanism or trying to make people believe that the devil is good. There are an extremely small miniority of bands that might be satanists, but they sure aint popular enough to get on this game.
Besides, if you are christian, surely you must believe in the devil? If you dont believe in the devil existing, you aint a christian.


(Btw, I wasnt inferring that the OP was claiming any of the songs put people off because of satanistic themes, just covering that angle of argument :D )

I Agree With You , Thank You

[bounchfx]

underoath used to be awesome, 10 years ago. get some of that stuff in. man, it was crazy. 10 minute long death metal/core songs with super super low and super high pitched screams.

that's before they lost 90% of their members and became a ****ty pop band

[Rayzor7]

Id like to say before I start that I am a loyal Christian, following in the footsteps of my Lord Jesus Christ:

Now, Ive played GH1 and GH2, as well as Fequency by Harmonix, and Ive never had a problem with any of their songs. I am a drummer in my own band, and Ive played songs that werent Christian. It doesnt bother me, but it would be cool to see someone like Showbread, Pillar, or Tyler Read. Maybe even Disciple. Right now, I am about to leave for Cornerstone (The worlds largest christian rock festival in Bushnell, Illinois), and there are plenty bands deserving that are playing there this week.

But, instead of seeing religions being accepted into RockBand, I would much rather see some great music that me and my friends can rock to. Christian or not, it doesnt matter to me.

To Those About To Rock, I Salute You,
~|Rayzor|~

[Ardius]

Id like to say before I start that I am a loyal Christian, following in the footsteps of my Lord Jesus Christ:

Now, Ive played GH1 and GH2, as well as Fequency by Harmonix, and Ive never had a problem with any of their songs. I am a drummer in my own band, and Ive played songs that werent Christian. It doesnt bother me, but it would be cool to see someone like Showbread, Pillar, or Tyler Read. Maybe even Disciple. Right now, I am about to leave for Cornerstone (The worlds largest christian rock festival in Bushnell, Illinois), and there are plenty bands deserving that are playing there this week.

But, instead of seeing religions being accepted into RockBand, I would much rather see some great music that me and my friends can rock to. Christian or not, it doesnt matter to me.

To Those About To Rock, I Salute You,
~|Rayzor|~

Now thats the way Christians should be thinking, good to see they arent all the purists some like to make them out as.

[bounchfx]

cool, now if we could please stray away from religion as this is a video game. not to be rude, but there are plenty of religious forums out there, some even talk about games, i bet.

[lambofgod1]

wow, guys...It's not like i suggested filling the whole game with christian songs....im saying that even if they only had one christian song in the game (that doesn't "preach"), like a stryper song for instance, to hell with the devil (there is a message in this song, but it doesn't preach)...christians would still buy the game and play it....and it would still be a song that non-christians would listen to too...

And it's not that i dont listen to secular music, because i do.....i just dont listen to the satin-worshipping crap....

I'm sorry that i had to go as far as to call it crap but come on, be realistic...if satin, an evil, fallen angel, (who wants everyone to burn in hell with him) is worthy of worship (satinists), then why isn't GOD, a creater who loves each and everone one of us...

and besides, who's side would you rather be on...the winning? or the losing? because the spiritual battle between Satin and God, is not gonna be won by Satin.....

and don't even say that they are just songs...all songs have meaning to them...it don't matter if you only listen to a song because the music sounds good, "life and death are in the power of the tongue" proverbs 18:21....and if you are listening to songs that worship satin, then that is just asking for trouble....how to you think some demon possessions and oppressions take place....demons are invited in somehow....

i'm sorry all you gamers.....i was totally of topic there, i didn't mean to preach....i was just trying to make a point to all those who think JESUS music is crap...:D

No, but for real, I really liked the song choices in guitar hero 1 and 2....they were kinda neutral, they had songs for everyone's listening genre, classic rock, modern, hardcore, soft rock....and i think that is what this game needs too, whether a christian song is added or not...KEEP A VARIETY....and in the future, i would like to see/hear some acoustic songs in the music games...

[bounchfx]

shout at the devil

[lambofgod1]

no....shout at the devil is by motley crue....im talkin' 'bout "to hell with the devil" by stryper....

[ThePunisher]

Ok,im a christian,buuut,i have to admit most ¨jesus music¨(haha)does suck!a couple of bands manage to be awesome,like underoath,the devil wears prada,gwen stacy,as i lay dying.But,as you can see,most of them are pretty hardcore,as in screaming and stuff.so the difference is hard to tell on those bands,but bands like pillar,p.o.d,and stuff more like that is just,well...crap.i am a christian,as stated before,but music is just music,no matter what religion,so i dont care if they put christian bands,i just want some good songs,and if theyre christian,great.i listen to any genre,except black metal,and basically,i am going to buy this game even if it has black metal.i dont put boundaries on games or music just cuz it isnt christian!not everybody is a christian,and not everybody will like a christian band in this game,but theyre gonna try and stay between the mass market and the hardcore gamers market,so that means more hit song,prolly!well this was me,and my half a cent!:cool:

[mrblonde885]

Frankly, I think it's a bit much to think we should pay heed to christian music just because it's christian music. The music should be considered because it's good, not because it's christian. The religion behind a song should have nothing to do with why it gets in the game. If they start doing that, then they better start putting in songs for every religion. I want a Jewish rock song, some middle-eastern rock, and hell, just to be fair, I want some literally anti-god rock. I seriously can't stand people who think you should pay attention to their religion just because it's their religion. Harmonix should be looking for good songs, whether they be christian, satanic, athiest or other.

[Rayzor7]

Id have to agree with mrblonde.

Like Ive stated in my previous post, I am a christian. But, I dont think that we should put Christian music in the game for the simple fact that its christian. Thats being biased, and thats what caused some games to be unsuccessful. Harmonix should approach this issue as "If its good, it gets in. If it sucks, it doesnt". To tell you the truth, in my opinion, most Christian music does suck. That doesnt mean I think its message is worthless, or I hate Jesus, its the fact that it isnt good. If a Christian song rocks, and would fit in the game, it should be considered with the other "Secular" songs, and maybe it will get in. If it doesnt, Im sure that the other song they picked instead was more deserving, or fit the game better.

Bottom line. I will buy this game to jam. If its Christian, thats cool. If its not, its cool too. Doesnt make any difference to me.

[Frostbitten_Norseman]

The only type of religious music I want to hear about is that which worships Odin and to a lesser extent, Satan. All other religions make me sick.

[Rayzor7]

The only type of religious music I want to hear about is that which worships Odin and to a lesser extent, Satan. All other religions make me sick.

All right, thats cool I guess...

Not quite on subject though.

[newwaytodie]

I think it's quite narrow minded to say that "Jesus Music" sucks.

I bet you don't even know how many of your favorite songs have been inspired by faith. Dream Theater, Alice Cooper, Dave Mustaine, Killswitch Engage, Even Tom Arya from SLAYER claims to be a catholic! Music is a reflection of a persons inner being, regardless of what you believe in, you must accept that. If it's the overt evangelism that is in most CCM (contemporary christian music) that offends you... dont worry about any of that making it into this game.

I think I would hate rock music if all its songs had no real meaning, or no spirituality.. If all the songs are about worldly things then you just have rap music.

[Frostbitten_Norseman]

All right, thats cool I guess...

Not quite on subject though.

YOU'RE not quite on subject!

[bounchfx]

ok, arnold, you aren't on conan o'brien right now.

speaking of which,

you should all go see my smash hit holiday movie JINGLE ALL THE WAY

[the_spike]

I'm surprised POD hasn't been in any Guitar Hero yet considering their involvement with Amplitude.

[kersplat12785]

yeah.......I find songs that are written in an attempt to put out certain messages are usually crap, and I dont just mean religous ones, plenty of bands write songs in an attempt to say something, i.e. drugs or something. They just dont work, unless its a bit better than "dont do drugs, dont shoot guns, dont go to war, dont swear, etc etc). As long as the songs are about something related to the subject, then thats fine.........but trying really hard to put out specific messages in your lyrics just ruins the feel of songs.
Now, thats my reservation about Christian Rock or any band really, they tend to do that stuff a lot, it doesnt seem to be about the music for most of them, just trying to reach out to people with some cheesy, annoying, moral message........which doesnt exactly lend itself to great instrumental work.

If Christians feel they cant play the game because there is no christian-specific rock in it, then they should stop being so narrow-minded, do you really feel that you will be punished for listening/playing to standard rock and metal? Dont be silly.
Also, if you feel that some songs are "promoting" satanism, man, get your head out of the toilet, rofl. Just because a song has "666" as its chorus (like in Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast) or has lyrics portraying satan in a good light, doesnt necesarily mean its promoting satanism or trying to make people believe that the devil is good. There are an extremely small miniority of bands that might be satanists, but they sure aint popular enough to get on this game.
Besides, if you are christian, surely you must believe in the devil? If you dont believe in the devil existing, you aint a christian.


(Btw, I wasnt inferring that the OP was claiming any of the songs put people off because of satanistic themes, just covering that angle of argument :D )

While I agree that every song that mentions "satan" or the "devil" or "666" should NOT be considered "demonic", "evil", or "satanist"; I would just like to say that pretty much every song ever written is an attempt to communicate a message. Music is a medium as well as an art form. Also many of the songs mentioned in the original post do not specifically mention Jesus, God, Christians or portray them as any better than people who aren't Christians. I am a devoted Christian listen to and enjoy many song that aren't "Christian." If you don't believe me look up the lyrics online. All said and done I believe that several of these songs would be absolutely wonderful additions to RB and I would be beyond thrilled to have even one of the songs mentioned above on the set list.

[3kage3]

I would really like to see a christian song or two on this game, then, i would withou-a-doubt, buy an xbox 360 and this game....and i think that others would like to hear a christian song or two too...here are a few bands and songs that almost everyone knows....

P.O.D - Alive
P.O.D - Boom
STRYPER - To hell with the devil....i know all you 80's people have heard of them
STRYPER - Free
STRYPER - Cant stop the rock
THOUSAND FOOT KRUTCH - Move
RED - Hide
RED - Let go
RED - Already over
PILLAR - frontline
PILLAR - Bring me down
PILLAR - Crossfire
PILLAR - Resolution
PILLAR - The reckoning
PILLAR - When tomorrow comes
TYLER READ
WHITE CROSS - Long road to walk (80's)
UNDEROATH (hardcore/screamo)
DEMON HUNTER (hardcore)

I encourage everone to listen to these bands, i guarantee, if you like rock, you will like one of these bands whether your into plain rock, 80's rock, screamo, or hardcore.....

praticlly the only band you said there would make is underoath

[franknfurter1000]

yeah, but most songs wouldn't work for the game. for example, demon hunter has such low vocals and simple guitar parts it wouldn't fit in. plus, jesus music sucks.
QFT. Christian rock sucks.

[AlmightyDan]

Like it has been said: i dont like the thought that music will be added to RB because it has a certain religious message in it.
Anyway, if its good music and its accidentially kinda religious i dont care.

Maybe it would raise the amount of games selled in the middle east if theres an islamic song in RB?!? ;-)

[Deelenzero]

As a general rule i avoid christian bands... no problems with christians.. but in general the bands ive heard that "christian rock/metal" are ither to soft for my taste or just suck... one exclusion being Underoath, at least their old stuff and their newest Cd... theyre old stuff is fxing DEATHCORE and all their songs were like 10 min long (listen to "Act Of Depression") kinda slow, but awesomely hardcore metal. (for another example see Killswitch Engaged)

And ill point out again, no problems w/ christians, its just that christian rock/metal (in general) dont fit my musical taste.

All in all though, as long as they pick a good band/song i wouldnt mind them in RB

[tmanrocks]

How dare you not mention underoath and the almost when speaking of christian bands

[Rev0lver]

deelenzero, go to cornerstone festival next year and tell me if you still agree with your post. there are ALOT of heavy christian bands. august burns red, norma jean, as cities burn, becoming the archetype, etc.

[Deelenzero]

Ive hard of those... except archetype

As Cities Burn has some decent stuff, but alot of it sucks

August Burns Red.. ive only heard 1 song an it was damn good (forgot about them tho, heh)

And Norma Jean.... well... i stand corrected on them, called up a friend who has their stuff and they're badass (before i only heard 2 songs by them and it was just pure noise... cant stand that)

The only "christian" bands i know of are

The Devil Wears Prada (some crap songs, some badass songs)
As Cities Burn (decent, but not my style)
August Burns Red (dont know enough of their songs to say anything)
Norma Jean (now badass that ive heard more, but have a lil to many songs that are just "noise")
Underoath (Oldest stuff is the best, new stuff is good to, along with some other songs)
Creed(?... not sure on them, but it dosnt matter, not my style)
POD (again, some good songs, some bad songs, not rly my style)
Killswitch Engaged (good stuff)
[Becoming the] Archetype (?) (if thats the band, theyre damn good)

Name some more heavy christian bands then and ill take back what i said, but for the moment from the christian bands i know of, very few are good (excluding Norma Jean/Underoath/Devil Wears Prada)

[fenieg]

jesus music does not suck look at some of these bad ass songs

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there is more songs from disciple like regime change

and this one is cool to i can only find this song with the 300 movie in the background but just dont hear the start were the guy is talking every thing after that the song is cool

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[copasetic]

I think this about covers it (http://www.southparkzone.com/episode-vid-709.htm)

[Rev0lver]

theres others, like the chariot, inhale exhale, and (to an extent) project 86

[Deelenzero]

Project 86 - good sound, not my style tho
The Chariot - heard of them before (didnt know they were a christian band tho).. they're just another noise band, from what ive heard of them (10 songs) they suck hard, dosnt sound like they have alot of talent to me
Inhale Exhale - fracking badass hardcore.... if Harmonix was to put a christian band in RB... i'd start a petition for these dudes, soooo freakin hardcore!!


my friend just made me listen to Destroy The Runner when i told him about what ive said... damn good


Ok, i retract my comment saying that christian bands generally suck... just like normal bands they are "hit or miss" for whichever audience theyre playing to(hardcore metal/screamo/softcore/etc)... sry ^_^


and like i said, i wouldnt mind a christian band in RB, as long as theyre good (*cough* inhale *cough* exhale *cough*)

[lambofgod1]

i also agree with disciple, but if i had to choose a hardcore/screamo band to be in the game, it would be demon hunter...but lets face all you Disciple, demon hunter, inhale exale, norma jean, and chariot fans....harmonix probably isn't looking for screamo bands to add, they want music with rythym, beat, and something people can sing to..all hardcore/screamo music is is the same beat over and over again, and someone screaming words that can't be understood...

[Desensitized]

The only Christian band I'd like is Faith + 1. :p

[StartSomething]

South Park reference =)

On topic I like Skillet
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[Tiberiouslb]

I think Christian metal bands need to reexamine themselves. I can see Christian Rock going as far as Classic Rock or Folk rock, the best Christian rock song ever would be Norman Greenbaum's Spirit in the Sky. Once you get harder you lose validity because you deal in genres that represent too many things that Christianity is not about. We've all heard Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll. Even if you sound good, is your message really coming across?? There is too much hypocrisy, for me. I know one of the driving forces behind most rockers is to get girls. Harder rock can only promote Christianity if you except candied or softened Christianity that overlooks sin. On the other hand the Old Testament and Revelations are great source material, because the Old Testament is violent and sexual, and the Apocalypse is dark and foreboding.

But I guess if they balance each Christian song with a Tool song I guess its acceptable. No true Christian should ever like Tool, totally incompatible.

[Edward_Ghoul]

I have yet to hear a single christian band worth listening to.

Come to think of it I haven't heard a single christian worth listening to.

[idiotec]

Christians are fine.

Music is great.

Christians+music=bad

You can still be Christian but not listen to crap music. God would of wanted it that way.

[1337BEEF]

Emery. One of the best Christian hardcore bands that I have heard.
Norma Jean
Project 86

[DShizzle1029]

I am a Christian, always have been and will always be. I could see POD making the cut in Rock Band because frankly, I think both "Youth of the Nation" and "Boom" both are pretty good songs that are liked by the general public. The others, not so much.

One thing I dont get about a lot of Christians is their fear of listening to certain music or playing video games, and this in some sort of way leads non-Christians to think down upon us. In the Bible it tells people to enjoy the fruits of their labor (i.e. working hard for the money to pay for games). I don't think God looks down upon anyone who believes in Him for listening to Nine Inch Nails or Ozzy Osbourne and enjoying it. As far as I know, as long as you acknowledge that kind of music is just art I dont think God cares one way or another...but thats just what I believe. Now Im not saying you are afraid to play Guitar Hero or Rock Band, but I just wanted to clear that up, lol.

Theres always gonna be someone or some group of people within a certain religion and even race that ruins the image for everyone else. Some Christian extremists have ruined it for us average joe Christians, which leads other people to look down at Christianity.

But anyway...POD...yeah...

[lambofgod1]

I think Christian metal bands need to reexamine themselves. I can see Christian Rock going as far as Classic Rock or Folk rock, the best Christian rock song ever would be Norman Greenbaum's Spirit in the Sky. Once you get harder you lose validity because you deal in genres that represent too many things that Christianity is not about. We've all heard Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll. Even if you sound good, is your message really coming across?? There is too much hypocrisy, for me. I know one of the driving forces behind most rockers is to get girls. Harder rock can only promote Christianity if you except candied or softened Christianity that overlooks sin. On the other hand the Old Testament and Revelations are great source material, because the Old Testament is violent and sexual, and the Apocalypse is dark and foreboding.

But I guess if they balance each Christian song with a Tool song I guess its acceptable. No true Christian should ever like Tool, totally incompatible.

i disagree...i dont think it matters what genre you play in, its the message you are sending...hardcore/screamo and metal does not have to be about sex and drugs...that is just what those bands make it to be...the only reason christian bands play in the hardcore, metal genre etc. is because it is a way to reach out to non-christians, and it sounds good to them..and you probably wouldn't understand if your not a christian...and im not saying that us christians are any better than the non-christians, im just saying that once you become a christian, you look at things differently...I see where you are coming from though because i go to church with some christians that believe that if it "heavy", it is not of God...and i'm tell you that it isn't true...the reason those christian think that, is because they don't like how "evil" it sounds...

think about it....how is a christian going to reach out to save a non-christian without coming at them with something they like...you can't play "soft" music to a "thrasher" and expect him to change overnight...that is where the heavy metal and hardcore genre come in...it is something they they think sounds good and it displays the same message as something soft...

[Xzyliac]

I'm a Christian. And I write music. And I admit I put messages, mine not the Bibles, in my music once in a while after thinking too much and I need an outlet. Music can have a message and be good music. Otherwise popular music wouldn't gain controversy as it does from time to time. For example the claims of racism in Sweet Home Alabama. Or suicide in Don't Fear the Reaper.

And if there are any great Christian songs out there put them in. Good music is good music. If you've got a beef only because it's Christian I question whether you really have taste or just selective preference.

[satanandoprah]

are ya ****in kidding!!??!?!? u want music about fake **** in the best game ever? no!!

[lambofgod1]

I am a Christian, always have been and will always be. I could see POD making the cut in Rock Band because frankly, I think both "Youth of the Nation" and "Boom" both are pretty good songs that are liked by the general public. The others, not so much.

One thing I dont get about a lot of Christians is their fear of listening to certain music or playing video games, and this in some sort of way leads non-Christians to think down upon us. In the Bible it tells people to enjoy the fruits of their labor (i.e. working hard for the money to pay for games). I don't think God looks down upon anyone who believes in Him for listening to Nine Inch Nails or Ozzy Osbourne and enjoying it. As far as I know, as long as you acknowledge that kind of music is just art I dont think God cares one way or another...but thats just what I believe. Now Im not saying you are afraid to play Guitar Hero or Rock Band, but I just wanted to clear that up, lol.

Theres always gonna be someone or some group of people within a certain religion and even race that ruins the image for everyone else. Some Christian extremists have ruined it for us average joe Christians, which leads other people to look down at Christianity.

But anyway...POD...yeah...

christians are only against most secular music because it sends a message of the devil...it says in the Bible that your mind and your body must not conform to the things of this world, but be tranformed in to the things of God....meaning you must take sin out of your life, and follow christ...that doesn't mean we can't listen to secular music, it means we shouldn't be listening to music that gives glory to satan...if the music is talking about sex and drugs, then it is not directly giving glory to satan, but it is sending a message that can lead you astray from christianity...

christians aren't against having fun (playing games) until it gets in the way of the relationship you have with God...we as christians have to ask ourselves, when is the last time i read my bible? am i putting fun before God?...

Let me tell you something, music isn't just art....all music has a message, whether good or evil, promoting sex and drugs or promoting living for God, promoting love or promoting hate..yes music is intended to sound good, and it takes artist to write it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't give out a message...and im not going to lie to you, i do listen to secular music, but to a certain extent...now i can't control what goes into guitar hero or rock band, i like them because they are fun, not because i like the music...yes i like the beats and sound, and yes I used to listen to most if it before i became a christian, so some of it i still enjoy, but most of the lyrics are garbage....

i didn't say these things to start conflict, i was just clearing up a statement that was made...

[Xzyliac]

christians are only against most secular music because it sends a message of the devil...it says in the Bible that your mind and your body must not conform to the things of this world, but be tranformed in to the things of God....meaning you must take sin out of your life, and follow christ...that doesn't mean we can't listen to secular music, it means we shouldn't be listening to music that gives glory to satan...if the music is talking about sex and drugs, then it is not directly giving glory to satan, but it is sending a message that can lead you astray from christianity...

christians aren't against having fun (playing games) until it gets in the way of the relationship you have with God...we as christians have to ask ourselves, when is the last time i read my bible? am i putting fun before God?...

Let me tell you something, music isn't just art....all music has a message, whether good or evil, promoting sex and drugs or promoting living for God, promoting love or promoting hate..yes music is intended to sound good, and it takes artist to write it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't give out a message...and im not going to lie to you, i do listen to secular music, but to a certain extent...now i can't control what goes into guitar hero or rock band, i like them because they are fun, not because i like the music...yes i like the beats and sound, and yes I used to listen to most if it before i became a christian, so some of it i still enjoy, but most of the lyrics are garbage....

i didn't say these things to start conflict, i was just clearing up a statement that was made...
He's right. Actually totally right. In the Christians eyes every song promotes something. You have to remember in the Bible music was formed out of a way to worship God.

You know Frequency had a Christian band. Forgot who.

[DrBraun]

I would love to se some really hardcore SATANIC tunes in Rock Band!!! Maybe even a huge downloadable pack of 666 tunes by bands like Slayer, King Diamond and Deicide - that would be sweet! ;)

Take your religious propaganda elsewhere!!!

[lambofgod1]

He's right. Actually totally right.

You know Frequency had a Christian band. Forgot who.

frequency had p.o.d i think

[lambofgod1]

I would love to se some really hardcore SATANIC tunes in Rock Band!!! Maybe even a huge downloadable pack of 666 tunes by bands like Slayer, King Diamond and Deicide - that would be sweet! ;)

Take your religious propaganda elsewhere!!!

there is a place for everyone on this sight, if you didn't like the topic you shouldnt have enter this thread...take your propaganda to a different thread....

[Xzyliac]

frequency had p.o.d i think

Maybe. I was actually kind of surprised.

I have a good friend who's a Switchfoot fan. I don't know why but Switchfoot just sounds too emo for my taste.


I would love to se some really hardcore SATANIC tunes in Rock Band!!! Maybe even a huge downloadable pack of 666 tunes by bands like Slayer, King Diamond and Deicide - that would be sweet! ;)

Take your religious propaganda elsewhere!!!

Hey genius THAT IS PROPAGANDA!!!!

[El_Waffle]

I would really like to see a christian song or two on this game, then, i would withou-a-doubt, buy an xbox 360 and this game....and i think that others would like to hear a christian song or two too...here are a few bands and songs that almost everyone knows....

P.O.D - Alive
P.O.D - Boom
STRYPER - To hell with the devil....i know all you 80's people have heard of them
STRYPER - Free
STRYPER - Cant stop the rock
THOUSAND FOOT KRUTCH - Move
RED - Hide
RED - Let go
RED - Already over
PILLAR - frontline
PILLAR - Bring me down
PILLAR - Crossfire
PILLAR - Resolution
PILLAR - The reckoning
PILLAR - When tomorrow comes
TYLER READ
WHITE CROSS - Long road to walk (80's)
UNDEROATH (hardcore/screamo)
DEMON HUNTER (hardcore)

I encourage everone to listen to these bands, i guarantee, if you like rock, you will like one of these bands whether your into plain rock, 80's rock, screamo, or hardcore.....


hey man, i agree, there is nothing wrong with some Christian music. I prefer probably Stryper, Petra, and AD. I thin Stryper's The Way, Loud n' Clear, To Hell With The Devil, or Soldiers Under Command would be good choices. there are dozens of excellent songs by Stryper and Oz Fox has track after track of excellent & enjoyable solos that Rock Band fans would enjoy.

[lambofgod1]

thanx el waffle, i knew i was forgetting something....the way and soldiers under command by stryper...i love 'em

[lambofgod1]

i also forgot to add the reign by stryper...listen to it....the guitar in it sounds awesome...

[FunkaTrunk]

I would love to se some really hardcore SATANIC tunes in Rock Band!!! Maybe even a huge downloadable pack of 666 tunes by bands like Slayer, King Diamond and Deicide - that would be sweet! ;)

Take your religious propaganda elsewhere!!!

HAHAHAHA! One of the band members of Slayer is a Catholic, you fruit. By the way, listen to Iron Maiden, Lordi, Ozzy Ozborne, and many more. They all have Christian undertones. and Alice Cooper even said in an intervew that he's a Christian,so deal with us buddy, we're hear to stay.

JESUS IS F***ING METAL!

[endeyequote]

I think its great how intolerant people are on these boards of some styles of music. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

I personally dont care for most christian rock, or most of the people in the bands, many of them get way to high and mighty, but these games are about variety, despite what 15 year olds and extreme metal heads wish it would be. If a couple of christian rock songs would appeal to a decent number of people than i say why not. If i hate them that much i can just skip them.

With all that said, POD is one of the worst bands ever.

Just my opinion.

[endeyequote]

I would love to se some really hardcore SATANIC tunes in Rock Band!!! Maybe even a huge downloadable pack of 666 tunes by bands like Slayer, King Diamond and Deicide - that would be sweet! ;)

Take your religious propaganda elsewhere!!!

I don't really care for organized religon myself, but i have a question for you.

What makes you any different wanting satanic songs then the kid who started this post wanting christian songs?

Take your religious propaganda elsewhere? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)

[travmeatwad]

underoath used to be awesome, 10 years ago. get some of that stuff in. man, it was crazy. 10 minute long death metal/core songs with super super low and super high pitched screams.

that's before they lost 90% of their members and became a ****ty pop band

Old underOATH sucked.. Sorry dude. I couldn't understand a word the dude (Dallas) was saying.. Spencer is much better.

[Emo_Reaper]

I think your all ridiculous for starting such a riot with this kids request. He wants some music that he's into...so what? Maybe some of the bands do suck, or they wouldnt fit the game,but so what? I'm sure plenty of people wouldnt care to play them,I doubt the people would even know what they were playing, cause I doubt that Harmonix would get a type of song like that from a big band anyway. Get over yourselves and respect his opinion.

[x3ar23]

i say fine but then i want a reach out to satanic gamers and want behemoths new song christgrinding avenue in there.

[DrBraun]

Hey genius THAT IS PROPAGANDA!!!!

No, genius! ...that's something us thinking people refer to as irony.

[DShizzle1029]

christians are only against most secular music because it sends a message of the devil...it says in the Bible that your mind and your body must not conform to the things of this world, but be tranformed in to the things of God....meaning you must take sin out of your life, and follow christ...that doesn't mean we can't listen to secular music, it means we shouldn't be listening to music that gives glory to satan...if the music is talking about sex and drugs, then it is not directly giving glory to satan, but it is sending a message that can lead you astray from christianity...

christians aren't against having fun (playing games) until it gets in the way of the relationship you have with God...we as christians have to ask ourselves, when is the last time i read my bible? am i putting fun before God?...

Let me tell you something, music isn't just art....all music has a message, whether good or evil, promoting sex and drugs or promoting living for God, promoting love or promoting hate..yes music is intended to sound good, and it takes artist to write it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't give out a message...and im not going to lie to you, i do listen to secular music, but to a certain extent...now i can't control what goes into guitar hero or rock band, i like them because they are fun, not because i like the music...yes i like the beats and sound, and yes I used to listen to most if it before i became a christian, so some of it i still enjoy, but most of the lyrics are garbage....

i didn't say these things to start conflict, i was just clearing up a statement that was made...


Im not trying to argue, you have your points, and I have mine. However, art has messages. All art (from paintings to music) has a message. Music is art, it takes creativity, time (if done right), much revising as all art takes revising to make it perfect, and some sort of emotion or thought to convey some kind of message. Paintings, drawings, sculpture, photography; those are all pleasing to the eye, while music is pleasing to the ear, and all of these have one thing in common, a message. I am an artist myself who has studied art and lives for art and music is most definately art, just a different kind.

[lambofgod1]

Im not trying to argue, you have your points, and I have mine. However, art has messages. All art (from paintings to music) has a message. Music is art, it takes creativity, time (if done right), much revising as all art takes revising to make it perfect, and some sort of emotion or thought to convey some kind of message. Paintings, drawings, sculpture, photography; those are all pleasing to the eye, while music is pleasing to the ear, and all of these have one thing in common, a message. I am an artist myself who has studied art and lives for art and music is most definately art, just a different kind.

I just want you to know that i wasnt trying to reject your statement that music is art....I realiize that it is art, but it is also more than that too...thanx for your opinion though, i appreciate it....

[Xzyliac]

i say fine but then i want a reach out to satanic gamers and want behemoths new song christgrinding avenue in there.

Actually there's logic to that. IF they put in Christian music they can put in Satanic too.

Whether you like it or not it's only fair. But if one is accepted and not the other we've got a problem.

But seeing as Harmonix wants to keep that T rating I doubt we'd see Satanic music in there.

[Xzyliac]

No, genius! ...that's something us thinking people refer to as irony.

That's what I was trying to point out.

Next time you attempt to think look for more than one meaning.

[endeyequote]

I do have to say it is also rather ironic that the one who started this post has the screen name "lambofgod" considering what Lamb of God are partially about.

Unless of course you aren't refering to the band. =P

[x3ar23]

Actually there's logic to that. IF they put in Christian music they can put in Satanic too.

Whether you like it or not it's only fair. But if one is accepted and not the other we've got a problem.

But seeing as Harmonix wants to keep that T rating I doubt we'd see Satanic music in there.

Last time i checked ESRB rateings never invovled religion.
only Violence, drugs, sexs and obscene langague. ill say yes there is more obscene lyrics in satanic music but no reason why it would have to be excluded. also any game now a days sells as long as it doesnt get AO rating.

[ajretz]

yeah, but most songs wouldn't work for the game. for example, demon hunter has such low vocals and simple guitar parts it wouldn't fit in. plus, jesus music sucks.

Jesus music does suck!

[Xzyliac]

Last time i checked ESRB rateings never invovled religion.
only Violence, drugs, sexs and obscene langague. ill say yes there is more obscene lyrics in satanic music but no reason why it would have to be excluded. also any game now a days sells as long as it doesnt get AO rating.

Three words: Shin Megami Tensei. Look 'em up.

But Harmonix just has a family friendly rep. Plain and simple.

[DShizzle1029]

All in all, if everyone in the world would just respect each other and set aside our differences and come together as people who live with each other on the same planet, we can really turn this twisted world around and make something good out of it. I get so sick of people disrespecting other people because of what they look like, believe in, or how they act, no two people are alike.

I know that was completely off topic but I wanted to get that out there, and I mean it.

[WildWalker]

[QUOTE=lambofgod1;6951]I'm sorry that i had to go as far as to call it crap but come on, be realistic...if satin, an evil, fallen angel, (who wants everyone to burn in hell with him) is worthy of worship (satinists), then why isn't GOD, a creater who loves each and everone one of us...

and besides, who's side would you rather be on...the winning? or the losing? because the spiritual battle between Satin and God, is not gonna be won by Satin.....[QUOTE]

Okay:

1. There is no god, no omnipotent being controlling everything that goes on. Ask any religious nut that 'beleives' where god comes from and they say crap like 'he was just there' or 'only beleivers can speak to him' well im sorry but that is rubbish.

2. Religion was invented as a crude population control. Don't do that or 'God' will see you, he will tell me and I will have to have you punished. Yeah, worked 2000 years ago but it is a bit old hat now.

3. An omnipotent that loved all man wouldn't watch thousands of innocent peope die every day of Hunger, Poverty, Disease or victims of Vicious crimes.

Of course, people are free to beleive what they like. But even in the 21st century we have religion rammed down our throats, so I don't feel guitly about 'airing' my opinion.

I also don't beleive or disbeleive that there is nothing after death, I am open minded on that subject. I also beleive (funnily enough) that there was a man called Jesus who lived around 2000 years ago, It is the capactiy in which he lived that I am sceptical of.


No god, no happy clappy music.

[DShizzle1029]

[QUOTE=lambofgod1;6951]I'm sorry that i had to go as far as to call it crap but come on, be realistic...if satin, an evil, fallen angel, (who wants everyone to burn in hell with him) is worthy of worship (satinists), then why isn't GOD, a creater who loves each and everone one of us...

and besides, who's side would you rather be on...the winning? or the losing? because the spiritual battle between Satin and God, is not gonna be won by Satin.....[QUOTE]

Okay:

1. There is no god, no omnipotent being controlling everything that goes on. Ask any religious nut that 'beleives' where god comes from and they say crap like 'he was just there' or 'only beleivers can speak to him' well im sorry but that is rubbish.

2. Religion was invented as a crude population control. Don't do that or 'God' will see you, he will tell me and I will have to have you punished. Yeah, worked 2000 years ago but it is a bit old hat now.

3. An omnipotent that loved all man wouldn't watch thousands of innocent peope die every day of Hunger, Poverty, Disease or victims of Vicious crimes.

Of course, people are free to beleive what they like. But even in the 21st century we have religion rammed down our throats, so I don't feel guitly about 'airing' my opinion.

I also don't beleive or disbeleive that there is nothing after death, I am open minded on that subject. I also beleive (funnily enough) that there was a man called Jesus who lived around 2000 years ago, It is the capactiy in which he lived that I am sceptical of.


No god, no happy clappy music.

God or no god, I just think its good to have something to follow, to give some sort of order in life. Life can be extremely chaotic and overbearing at times, which is why I am pro-religion. Just my thought on that...

Oh and lambofgod, its Satan not Satin (Satin is a very soft and shimmery material).

[El_Waffle]

i also forgot to add the reign by stryper...listen to it....the guitar in it sounds awesome...

oh yeah, i remember Reign. it is really good. i heard it live about a year ago. sounded great!

[lambofgod1]

I do have to say it is also rather ironic that the one who started this post has the screen name "lambofgod" considering what Lamb of God are partially about.

Unless of course you aren't refering to the band. =P

NO, my name is not referring to the band...I'm sure that most of you know what a shepherd is (im not sure if i spelled it right, but you know what i mean)...a shepherd is a person who herds, tends, and guards sheep...In the Bible, God is the Shepherd and we are the Lamb....Jesus was known as the Lamb of God and so are we (you would know that if you read the bible)...That is why when non-christians become saved into christianity, it say in the bible that their name has "been written in the Lamb's book of life". The Lamb's book of life is a book (not an actual book, its speaking in the spiritual sense.) with the names of all who have repented and have been saved by Jesus (when he died on the cross) from eternal damnation...

Actually, i dont even like "lambofgod" band....they mock the name of jesus....

[Keagan2387]

QFT. Christian rock sucks.

Sums it up well

[endeyequote]

NO, my name is not referring to the band...I'm sure that most of you know what a shepherd is (im not sure if i spelled it right, but you know what i mean)...a shepherd is a person who herds, tends, and guards sheep...In the Bible, God is the Shepherd and we are the Lamb....Jesus was known as the Lamb of God and so are we (you would know that if you read the bible)...That is why when non-christians become saved into christianity, it say in the bible that their name has "been written in the Lamb's book of life". The Lamb's book of life is a book (not an actual book, its speaking in the spiritual sense.) with the names of all who have repented and have been saved by Jesus (when he died on the cross) from eternal damnation...

Actually, i dont even like "lambofgod" band....they mock the name of jesus....

Easy i wasnt making fun, i even said in my post i figured there was a chance that wasn't what you meant.

And even though i no longer like religion doesn't mean i don't know anything about it. I went to sunday school. I've read the Bible, the Koran, the Tao, and numerous texts on numerology, and many alternative forms of thinking. I appreciate philopsophy of any kinds and love to debate it, even if it comes prepackaged in orginazations that have their own interests at heart.

All hail BOB! Eternal salvation or TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK!!!

[lambofgod1]

Okay:

1. There is no god, no omnipotent being controlling everything that goes on. Ask any religious nut that 'beleives' where god comes from and they say crap like 'he was just there' or 'only beleivers can speak to him' well im sorry but that is rubbish.

2. Religion was invented as a crude population control. Don't do that or 'God' will see you, he will tell me and I will have to have you punished. Yeah, worked 2000 years ago but it is a bit old hat now.

3. An omnipotent that loved all man wouldn't watch thousands of innocent peope die every day of Hunger, Poverty, Disease or victims of Vicious crimes.

Of course, people are free to beleive what they like. But even in the 21st century we have religion rammed down our throats, so I don't feel guitly about 'airing' my opinion.

I also don't beleive or disbeleive that there is nothing after death, I am open minded on that subject. I also beleive (funnily enough) that there was a man called Jesus who lived around 2000 years ago, It is the capactiy in which he lived that I am sceptical of.


No god, no happy clappy music.

First of please dont make assumptions that there isn't a God...if you are going to do that, please take your opions and form another thread in the forum section...thanx...

well, God don't just watch his people suffer...God made life on earth perfect when he first made man...suffering didn't come upon the earth until sin came upon the earth (sin was unleashed when eve disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil)...God's plan was for man to live in peace and harmony...Pain and suffering are the consequences of sin.... In Romans 6:23 of the Bible, it says that "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"...(Jesus died for our sins...but we have to accept him as our savior and follow his ways for us to be granted the gived of salvation, which will save us from going to hell after this life)...

Now let me ask you something, do you believe in heaven, hell, angels, and demons? well, if so, then where did it all come from? do you think we are just destined to go to heaven or hell by the acts that we do on earth? or does God choose where we go?

All i know is, i would rather believe in God and there not even be a God, than there be a God and not believe in him...plus, have you ever felt pain? because the pain that we endure on earth, is only a scratch compare to what we would feel in hell.... It also says in the bible that 1000 years on earth is equal to 1 day in heaven and hell, and that all the days on earth only equal up to a grain of sand on a beach....(it is describing how eternal that the life after this will be...)....and Hell is a "burning lake of fire", you endure pain day in and day out...you burn, you are abused by demons, and you are eaten from the inside out everyday that you wake up...

Now, im sorry everyone, i didnt come to preach, but when someone says something like "God isn't real", i have to jump in....anyways, back to the music, lol...

[lambofgod1]

Easy i wasnt making fun, i even said in my post i figured there was a chance that wasn't what you meant.

And even though i no longer like religion doesn't mean i don't know anything about it. I went to sunday school. I've read the Bible, the Koran, the Tao, and numerous texts on numerology, and many alternative forms of thinking. I appreciate philopsophy of any kinds and love to debate it, even if it comes prepackaged in orginazations that have their own interests at heart.

All hail BOB! Eternal salvation or TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK!!!

no, no, i know you weren't making fun, i know what you meant, i was just telling you what my name means that's all...

[endeyequote]

Okay:

1. There is no god, no omnipotent being controlling everything that goes on. Ask any religious nut that 'beleives' where god comes from and they say crap like 'he was just there' or 'only beleivers can speak to him' well im sorry but that is rubbish.

2. Religion was invented as a crude population control. Don't do that or 'God' will see you, he will tell me and I will have to have you punished. Yeah, worked 2000 years ago but it is a bit old hat now.

3. An omnipotent that loved all man wouldn't watch thousands of innocent peope die every day of Hunger, Poverty, Disease or victims of Vicious crimes.

Of course, people are free to beleive what they like. But even in the 21st century we have religion rammed down our throats, so I don't feel guitly about 'airing' my opinion.

I also don't beleive or disbeleive that there is nothing after death, I am open minded on that subject. I also beleive (funnily enough) that there was a man called Jesus who lived around 2000 years ago, It is the capactiy in which he lived that I am sceptical of.


No god, no happy clappy music.

Okay i'll delve into this one as well bceause i happen to know a great deal about religions and philosophies of all kinds. Its sort of a hobby.

Point 1: You can't know that for sure one way or the other. That is the problem. To say with %100 certainty either way is an assumption about things that no human could possibly understand at this stage. Maybe there is a god and maybe their isn't, but to state definatively one way or the other is presumptious on both sides. How easily we mortals are decieved by our own imagination.

Point 2a: Not every religion is corrupt, and its not the message that is corrupt. Most religions at their heart are about peace and understanding, even Christianity, Islam, and especially Buddhism among others. There are some religious orginazations that actively promote violence against those who do not believe as they do, like Scientology, but in the case of Christians and Islamics doing so, they are twisting the words of their prophets to justify their selfish ideals. Like every orginization power begets greed and corruption. You cannot hold every member of a specific faith accountable for the sins of those who came before, or for corrupt leaders abusing their power. In a way their followers are the bigger victims. There is much more to the idea of eternal damnation and salvation in every religion than most people discuss. Take a look around for the lost gospels, the dead sea scrolls, and the other books of revelations that did not make it into the bible.

Point 2b: If you actually read the Bible and the Koran for yourself, and read between the lines, especially in regards to Jesus, there is a lot more to what is being said. The writer's quite often spoke in poetic metaphor to get their point across. And remember religious texts are written by PEOPLE, who put their own spin on things, whether those be good or ignorant.

Point 3: If the god of almost all religions were to interfere with pain and suffering then that would devalue and eliminate free will. Most faiths believe the world was given to us and it up to us to treat it right and treat each other right. We cause each other to suffer, and we choose to suffer and perpetuate violence. And the natural disaster doesn't even apply here, because we have been given the tools needed to help survive and recover quickly, except that corrupt politicians and bs red tape we always let get in the way. Think about that when you think about the fact that it took more than a year to get clean water back to New Orleans, yet when the Tsunami in asia the year before we were there the next day.

Last point: to say you firmly do not believe in a god but believe in the possability of an after life is an inherent contradiction.

And the end of the day, none of us know what the f*** is really going on. I mean physicists have always assumed the universe was collapsing and only in the last 5 to 10 years they realized that its actually expanding at an accelerated light, and so fast that the universe is possibly bigger than we ever imagined, and that its expanding so fast that the light of stars may not be reaching us because its not fast enough to out run the expansion. Leading scientists now to speculate that the edge of the universe may not be the edge at all, just the point at which it becomes physically impossible to see past.

[lambofgod1]

[QUOTE=lambofgod1;6951]I'm sorry that i had to go as far as to call it crap but come on, be realistic...if satin, an evil, fallen angel, (who wants everyone to burn in hell with him) is worthy of worship (satinists), then why isn't GOD, a creater who loves each and everone one of us...

and besides, who's side would you rather be on...the winning? or the losing? because the spiritual battle between Satin and God, is not gonna be won by Satin.....[QUOTE]

Okay:

1. There is no god, no omnipotent being controlling everything that goes on. Ask any religious nut that 'beleives' where god comes from and they say crap like 'he was just there' or 'only beleivers can speak to him' well im sorry but that is rubbish.

2. Religion was invented as a crude population control. Don't do that or 'God' will see you, he will tell me and I will have to have you punished. Yeah, worked 2000 years ago but it is a bit old hat now.

3. An omnipotent that loved all man wouldn't watch thousands of innocent peope die every day of Hunger, Poverty, Disease or victims of Vicious crimes.

Of course, people are free to beleive what they like. But even in the 21st century we have religion rammed down our throats, so I don't feel guitly about 'airing' my opinion.

I also don't beleive or disbeleive that there is nothing after death, I am open minded on that subject. I also beleive (funnily enough) that there was a man called Jesus who lived around 2000 years ago, It is the capactiy in which he lived that I am sceptical of.


No god, no happy clappy music.

who told you christian music was happy clappy?.....we are talking about christian rock and metal....didn't you read the forum?

[PleasantOne]

I would *LOVE* to see Third Day featured in a game like this. I don't listen to Christian music much anymore, but I've never let go of Third Day because they are just *that* good. They're one of my favorite bands, second only to Queen.

Til the Day I Die would be an excellent choice of song - I love the guitar riffs on that. Heck, I'd like just about anythign by them, but that is one of their more rockin songs that isn't really religious, in my interpretation anyway.

Hopefully Christian music would at least be considered as an offering for downloadable content in the future. I can see them not wanting to put it on the game, but no reason why they should keep it from players who want to pay for it separately.

Switchfoot would be an awesome addition, as well. They might have more of a chance since they've gone mainstream.

[GrayInvisible]

[QUOTE=WildWalker;14228][QUOTE=lambofgod1;6951]I'm sorry that i had to go as far as to call it crap but come on, be realistic...if satin, an evil, fallen angel, (who wants everyone to burn in hell with him) is worthy of worship (satinists), then why isn't GOD, a creater who loves each and everone one of us...

and besides, who's side would you rather be on...the winning? or the losing? because the spiritual battle between Satin and God, is not gonna be won by Satin.....

who told you christian music was happy clappy?.....we are talking about christian rock and metal....didn't you read the forum?

I like how you didn't address his argument, and just referred to the very last part.

[lambofgod1]

[QUOTE=lambofgod1;14796][QUOTE=WildWalker;14228]

I like how you didn't address his argument, and just referred to the very last part.

sorry about that, i should have erased everything else...my fault

[WildWalker]

[QUOTE=WildWalker;14228][QUOTE=lambofgod1;6951]I'm sorry that i had to go as far as to call it crap but come on, be realistic...if satin, an evil, fallen angel, (who wants everyone to burn in hell with him) is worthy of worship (satinists), then why isn't GOD, a creater who loves each and everone one of us...

and besides, who's side would you rather be on...the winning? or the losing? because the spiritual battle between Satin and God, is not gonna be won by Satin.....

who told you christian music was happy clappy?.....we are talking about christian rock and metal....didn't you read the forum?


'Happy Clappy' is just a generic term for 'Christian' music, cos thats what they used to play.

But well done for having no answers to the rest of my post, I rest my case.

WW

[lambofgod1]

actually yes, i did have something to say about what you said, why dont you read back further?....

[JimNasium]

I have no problem with christian music being on this as long as it's downloadable content. Not on the original game

[lambofgod1]

that is what im trying to say...it doesnt have to be on the game itself as long as its in the downloadable section, im cool....but i want the same for all that satanic music, if they add it, i should be in the download section online...i think the only songs that should be on the game are casual rock and roll songs....

[Blue88]

that is what im trying to say...it doesnt have to be on the game itself as long as its in the downloadable section, im cool....but i want the same for all that satanic music, if they add it, i should be in the download section online...i think the only songs that should be on the game are casual rock and roll songs....

You realize that other than when you wrote "satanic" here, you've been spelling "Satan" wrong every time you say it? It's very hard to take you seriously when you're talking about people being controlled by satin. I'm not worried about being controlled by satin, I'd just make a scarf out of it if it tried to control me.

As for the actual topic, I agree that if Christian music sounds cool, put it in, but if it doesn't, don't put it in because it's Christian. Even though I am a Christian, I haven't heard a Christian band I've liked not much into the "genre-core" thing, and most of the other Christian bands I've heard pretty much sucked.

[lambofgod1]

You realize that other than when you wrote "satanic" here, you've been spelling "Satan" wrong every time you say it? It's very hard to take you seriously when you're talking about people being controlled by satin. I'm not worried about being controlled by satin, I'd just make a scarf out of it if it tried to control me.

As for the actual topic, I agree that if Christian music sounds cool, put it in, but if it doesn't, don't put it in because it's Christian. Even though I am a Christian, I haven't heard a Christian band I've liked not much into the "genre-core" thing, and most of the other Christian bands I've heard pretty much sucked.

yes, i understand that i have been spelling it wrong, i appoligize (wait, did i spell that right?..lol)...you are the second person who has brought that up...thanx again for reminding me to clear that up...

[GamerAeon]

some Christian Rock is light rock which this being Rock Band it's the more up tempo Hard Rock. Selections I suggest below will indeed fufill the Christian Rock Genre as well as appease those that don't like singing about Jesus in every verse.

That being said there are a few choices that could be done if they just wanted to add a broader spectrum to the game.

80s
Stryper - Loud 'N' Clear (a good song with plenty of guitar and drums)

90s
Switchfoot - Edge of My Seat
Third Day - Nothing At All

2000s
Third Day - Rockstar
Third Day - Tunnel
Switchfoot - Meant to Live
Skillet - Rebirthing

Feel free to add wherever.:cool:

[lambofgod1]

some Christian Rock is light rock which this being Rock Band it's the more up tempo Hard Rock. Selections I suggest below will indeed fufill the Christian Rock Genre as well as appease those that don't like singing about Jesus in every verse.

That being said there are a few choices that could be done if they just wanted to add a broader spectrum to the game.

80s
Stryper - Loud 'N' Clear (a good song with plenty of guitar and drums)

90s
Switchfoot - Edge of My Seat
Third Day - Nothing At All

2000s
Third Day - Rockstar
Third Day - Tunnel
Switchfoot - Meant to Live

Feel free to add wherever.:cool:

i agree with all of that except for switchfoot...i mean, i like switchfoot and relient k and stuff like that but, like you said, it is soft rock...i totally agree with the stryper though...behind you all the way on that one...actually i would like some Lady, to hell with the devil, and the reign to be put on rock band as i have stated before....

actually if you like hard rock, i suggest you listen to Red....they are a christian metal band (my fav band actually)

[GamerAeon]

Well like I said We're not asking for Petra here or Audio A since they're not quite quick enough on the guitar strings and they use the "Jesus" word some ppl around here tend to loathe for some unknown reason.

That Switchfoot song is pretty rocking it's about the only one I could track down that'd manage to be a good playable song w/o getting boring midway through.
I added a recent Skillet song and I suppose if need be you could put Gasoline in the 90s Cat.:cool:

[CENACHAINGANG54]

yeah.......I find songs that are written in an attempt to put out certain messages are usually crap, and I dont just mean religous ones, plenty of bands write songs in an attempt to say something, i.e. drugs or something. They just dont work, unless its a bit better than "dont do drugs, dont shoot guns, dont go to war, dont swear, etc etc). As long as the songs are about something related to the subject, then thats fine.........but trying really hard to put out specific messages in your lyrics just ruins the feel of songs.
Now, thats my reservation about Christian Rock or any band really, they tend to do that stuff a lot, it doesnt seem to be about the music for most of them, just trying to reach out to people with some cheesy, annoying, moral message........which doesnt exactly lend itself to great instrumental work.

If Christians feel they cant play the game because there is no christian-specific rock in it, then they should stop being so narrow-minded, do you really feel that you will be punished for listening/playing to standard rock and metal? Dont be silly.
Also, if you feel that some songs are "promoting" satanism, man, get your head out of the toilet, rofl. Just because a song has "666" as its chorus (like in Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast) or has lyrics portraying satan in a good light, doesnt necesarily mean its promoting satanism or trying to make people believe that the devil is good. There are an extremely small miniority of bands that might be satanists, but they sure aint popular enough to get on this game.
Besides, if you are christian, surely you must believe in the devil? If you dont believe in the devil existing, you aint a christian.


(Btw, I wasnt inferring that the OP was claiming any of the songs put people off because of satanistic themes, just covering that angle of argument :D )

I will go along with you on some of that and yes I believe in God. However most likely if a band is preaching satan in a good light as you put it, then why cant a band paint God in one? This is the problem with the world, if someone says something about Christ then it is crap and we that believe in it should not be so narrowed minded. that is totally unfair! If the young man who started this thread feels that there should be some christian rock in the game, then maybe the game developers should listen. Make it a pack that those who want it will buy it. Do not get me wrong I play GH just about as much as the next person that is a huge fan, but there are some songs I can do without. On the other hand when I am rocking out and concentrating on getting the song perfect, the lyrics for me is tuned out. Just my opinion and I hope you can respect that. One last thing. Every Christian band is not trying to get you to convert to anything. Christian rock and rap was created to give young people a choice of something different and some of them even those who do not believe in Christ listens to it.

[CENACHAINGANG54]

i agree with all of that except for switchfoot...i mean, i like switchfoot and relient k and stuff like that but, like you said, it is soft rock...i totally agree with the stryper though...behind you all the way on that one...actually i would like some Lady, to hell with the devil, and the reign to be put on rock band as i have stated before....

actually if you like hard rock, i suggest you listen to Red....they are a christian metal band (my fav band actually)

OH Yeah to hell with the devil would be a good one. Also speaking of stryper I would also add The Reign to the list. That song is crazy and very fast when it comes to the drums. Also you have to add I think bands like Petra and White Heart. If you are looking for more rhythmic stuff then Michael W Smith is good for that. Not as hard but good for that purpose

[sushi111]

Im Catholic and I do not want any Christian themed songs in the game. Why? Because not only Christians are going to be playing this. If you need a song to tell you how awesome Jesus is, thats great, but not in this game

But if you are talking about bands with Christian overtones, by all means.

[endeyequote]

For the record: I think it is quite hillarious that a religious debate has broken out on a message board for a video game rock band sim. :p

[lambofgod1]

For the record: I think it is quite hillarious that a religious debate has broken out on a message board for a video game rock band sim. :p

i didnt plan on this forum being like this...i thought only that we would just be discussing christian music...and then people started talking about how jesus music sucks, and that just set me off...

[WingsOfSteel]

Back on topic, Pressing On by Relient K would be a good early tier song, imo.

[GamerAeon]

Im Catholic and I do not want any Christian themed songs in the game. Why? Because not only Christians are going to be playing this. If you need a song to tell you how awesome Jesus is, thats great, but not in this game

But if you are talking about bands with Christian overtones, by all means.

Well the Bands in question are Christian Rock Bands and the songs chosen by them aren't their Jesus songs since some folks can't handle that, which is fine none of us are asking them to put in Religious Zealot songs of any sort.
The Songs in question merely are great tunes that get stuck in yer head because they have a good rythmic tone to them. Having them in at release well that's fine if they're available through a download pack but Really Aerosmith AC/DC and Metallica aren't the only hard rockers. Heck even GH has some indie bands on it.;) :cool:

I myself have GH 1 & 2 and plan on GH:Encore as well as 3 because I remember the songs in question and hey they're fun to play but the ones listed under Christian Rock that we've suggested also rock hard. Trust me when I say if you put Skillet or Relient K up against some of the other Rock Bands you'll find they aren't the typical Christian Rock that everyone just avoids *shrug*.

All the songs I've suggested have Overtones but don't outright say it so if you pick up on the lyrics you can take it anyway you just in particularly want. If its in a download pack then ppl can choose to take it or not so no harm no foul just it'd be nice to have some other songs that a good few of the populace are familiar with.

[ARandomHobo]

im sorry, but christian rock sucks...

[lambofgod1]

im sorry, but christian rock sucks...

dont be sorry, just make your own forum if you are going to say something like that...this forum was made as a petition type of thing...if you like christian music, then tell what songs and bands you like and why they should be in but if you dont like it then please dont add your little "jesus music sucks" comments...thank you....

[lambofgod1]

i would also like some seventh day slumber to be added...maybe break me, shattered life, or awake...

[lambofgod1]

how about
skillet-forsaken
skillet- cycle down

[Xzyliac]

im sorry, but christian rock sucks...

You apologized and then slammed this whole thread in his face? Oh the irony.

Well let me put Building 429 in the ring.

[lambofgod1]

isnt building 429 a worship band...idk, maybe they arent, that just what i thought...

[GambitOfDesires]

I don't have a problem with Christianity but I really can't respect Christian rock bands because Christians and Catholics are always the first to give the rock genre crap. Video games, too. They can't see it for what they are, forms of entertainment, and they usually don't know what's really harmful. Let's go with... Any Rockstar game. Chances are that the people complaining about the content are Christians and Catholics. The same people that read the Most Violent Book in the World (yeah, it's an old hat but it's also the best example). Now, about ten years ago, Squaresoft released a game that I'm shocked (in a good way) it got released here at all. "Xenogears". And one of the most popular anime is "Neon Genesis Evangelion". If I were a responsible Christian/Catholic, I would've lambasted those ages ago. But here they are... uncut and all. With sequels.
From what I've seen, as an objective viewer as opposed to a subjective viewer, is that these groups only go after the really popular things to get their moment of glory and enjoy it. I'm not saying all Christians/Catholics are like this, but there's a vast majority of them. Rock was/is/will be popular and, yeah, the words against it have died down recently (they've moved over to video games) but there're still people willing to throw stones at the drop of a hat. And these same so-called Christians/Catholics are usually the worst people in the world to know. How many rappers have you seen with crosses and things sing (and I use the word VERY loosely) about the most despicable things in the world? How many murderers have said that God told them to do it? I don't mean all Christians/Catholics are bad, but, cripes, it gets hard to tell. I really don't think that Christians/Catholics should worry about what the world's doing until they get their followers in check.
I hate to bring up Guitar Hero in a Rock Band forum but it's the only example I have. Suppose in Rock Band, they have character specific notetracks like in Guitar Hero. And suppose they have a Christian song. What if someone was innocently playing an Izzy Sparks-type character (pentagram track and all) with a Christian song and it was in a screenshot? The Christians/Catholics would lose their minds. The gamer or game maker shouldn't be blamed (what, they were supposed to program in that you can't play Izzy when playing a Christian song?) but blame will be pointed. Granted, someone might go out of their way to do something like that and put it on Youtube but that's the only occassion where Christians/Catholics can pitch a fit. Why am I singling out those two groups in particular? They're the loudest ones. You only hear from Middle Easterners when someone dramatizes the dramatization of the history of Persians vs. Spartans. And Satanists (or Satinists... they might be an offshoot religion ;) ) keep to themselves.
In short, I hope the "Simpsons" movie rocks.

[MetalChickenDragon]

If Rock Band adds Christian music I want them to also add:
Buddhist,Muslim,Jewish,scientologist(techno?), and every other religion/cult music in the world.

[Consolcwby]

What? Where's The Resurrection Band in this list?... :confused: We need some Rez in here!

[lambofgod1]

I don't have a problem with Christianity but I really can't respect Christian rock bands because Christians and Catholics are always the first to give the rock genre crap. Video games, too. They can't see it for what they are, forms of entertainment, and they usually don't know what's really harmful. Let's go with... Any Rockstar game. Chances are that the people complaining about the content are Christians and Catholics. The same people that read the Most Violent Book in the World (yeah, it's an old hat but it's also the best example). Now, about ten years ago, Squaresoft released a game that I'm shocked (in a good way) it got released here at all. "Xenogears". And one of the most popular anime is "Neon Genesis Evangelion". If I were a responsible Christian/Catholic, I would've lambasted those ages ago. But here they are... uncut and all. With sequels.
From what I've seen, as an objective viewer as opposed to a subjective viewer, is that these groups only go after the really popular things to get their moment of glory and enjoy it. I'm not saying all Christians/Catholics are like this, but there's a vast majority of them. Rock was/is/will be popular and, yeah, the words against it have died down recently (they've moved over to video games) but there're still people willing to throw stones at the drop of a hat. And these same so-called Christians/Catholics are usually the worst people in the world to know. How many rappers have you seen with crosses and things sing (and I use the word VERY loosely) about the most despicable things in the world? How many murderers have said that God told them to do it? I don't mean all Christians/Catholics are bad, but, cripes, it gets hard to tell. I really don't think that Christians/Catholics should worry about what the world's doing until they get their followers in check.
I hate to bring up Guitar Hero in a Rock Band forum but it's the only example I have. Suppose in Rock Band, they have character specific notetracks like in Guitar Hero. And suppose they have a Christian song. What if someone was innocently playing an Izzy Sparks-type character (pentagram track and all) with a Christian song and it was in a screenshot? The Christians/Catholics would lose their minds. The gamer or game maker shouldn't be blamed (what, they were supposed to program in that you can't play Izzy when playing a Christian song?) but blame will be pointed. Granted, someone might go out of their way to do something like that and put it on Youtube but that's the only occassion where Christians/Catholics can pitch a fit. Why am I singling out those two groups in particular? They're the loudest ones. You only hear from Middle Easterners when someone dramatizes the dramatization of the history of Persians vs. Spartans. And Satanists (or Satinists... they might be an offshoot religion ;) ) keep to themselves.
In short, I hope the "Simpsons" movie rocks.

i think it is wrong that you are "generally" stereo-typing christians and catholics...when have you heard a christian/catholic give the rock genre crap? alot of christian music is rock...

dont even say that christians are the ones who give the rockstar games crap...its the general public...the fact of the matter is that the rockstar games aren't suitable for children...

the most violent book in the world? the bible, i assume? well if that is what your referring to, obviously you havn't read it...the bible is a book of "love" and it tells you how to live your life...the only violence in it is the violence described in revelation...and that is just describing what is going to happen during the "end times"....(sorry if this wasn't what you were referring to...)

the only christian rock bands that are in the rock industry for money and fame are the ones who don't label themselves as "christian rock" bands...think about it, if they labeled themselves as christian rock bands, the only people who would listen to them are christians...and christians are the minority...

i really dont like how you make every possible reason to "hate or dislike" christians....the only statement i agree with is that putting christian music in rock band would strike controversy because of the "secular" line up of characters...

the only reason satanists stay to themselves is because they dont have any prove that satanism is the "one" true religion...and that is the same with some of the other religions...they dont have any "believeable" proof, so they dont try to reach out to others...

[lambofgod1]

If Rock Band adds Christian music I want them to also add:
Buddhist,Muslim,Jewish,scientologist(techno?), and every other religion/cult music in the world.

no because if they added those then you would have to stand over a camp fire and sing LA LA LA LA LA andclap your hands..what im trying to say is buddhism, islam, jewish etc...all come from other countries...they dont have guitars and drums (except for bongo hand drums)

[GambitOfDesires]

i think it is wrong that you are "generally" stereo-typing christians and catholics...when have you heard a christian/catholic give the rock genre crap? alot of christian music is rock...

dont even say that christians are the ones who give the rockstar games crap...its the general public...the fact of the matter is that the rockstar games aren't suitable for children...

the most violent book in the world? the bible, i assume? well if that is what your referring to, obviously you havn't read it...the bible is a book of "love" and it tells you how to live your life...the only violence in it is the violence described in revelation...and that is just describing what is going to happen during the "end times"....(sorry if this wasn't what you were referring to...)

the only christian rock bands that are in the rock industry for money and fame are the ones who don't label themselves as "christian rock" bands...think about it, if they labeled themselves as christian rock bands, the only people who would listen to them are christians...and christians are the minority...

i really dont like how you make every possible reason to "hate or dislike" christians....the only statement i agree with is that putting christian music in rock band would strike controversy because of the "secular" line up of characters...

the only reason satanists stay to themselves is because they dont have any prove that satanism is the "one" true religion...and that is the same with some of the other religions...they dont have any "believeable" proof, so they dont try to reach out to others...

I am by no means saying that the Bible is filled with just violence. That'd be stupid. I know that there're also morals and messages and lots of other pleasant things about the Bible... but it also has a dark side and it would be wrong of you to not see that. I'm not saying that you don't know about the violence but to if you're ignoring it, that's wrong.

As for who the anti-Rockstar game crowd is, what religion do you think the general public is? I'm not saying that they're against the the company because they're Christian/Catholic. And I agree, those games are not for children at all but the gaming industry has catered to lazy parenting for so long with the rating system that it's so stupid to blame them because some mom's 14 year old made them buy "Warriors". But the industry is still blamed and it's sad.

And I'm sorry if I'm making it seem that Christianity/Catholicism is an evil religion, it's gotten quite a few people through some hard times, but when they attack something as harmless as entertainment because they have nothing else better to do, I start to take offense. Instead of worrying about how you can crash a car into a building, how about helping OUR homeless (where it matters and not some country where they're surrounded by other well-off countries... explain that one). Instead of complaining that Little Johnny has a killing spree in Unreal Tournament, how about figuring out where Suzy got her gun. Teen crime has actually gone down since games have gotten more violent and plentiful but we never hear that part. Let's not forget that Ancient Rome, the melting pot of all things civilized and decent, spent a good portion of their time watching lions tear humans apart.

Oh, and I'm not defending Satanism. I was just making a throwaway comment. But if we're looking for proof that any one religion is right, it's all around you. Every religion has proof that they're right and the other one's wrong. Every single religion. Something to think about.

[GambitOfDesires]

Hey, don't lump techno with Scientology... that's industrial :D

[lithiumkc]

Oh, and I'm not defending Satanism. I was just making a throwaway comment. But if we're looking for proof that any one religion is right, it's all around you. Every religion has proof that they're right and the other one's wrong. Every single religion. Something to think about.

And so goes one of my favorite quotes....

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further"

[FunkaTrunk]

...and christians are the minority...


I've heard over 7 reports that Christians take up 55% of the world. That's mostlikely growing. Some people ask me "Ok, if there is a God, why do all these bad things happen?"
Look at the Twin Towers. After that happend, SO MANY frickin people became Christian. Those huricanes? Somehow, people started beliving in God after helping one another. Oh, and the Bible is the number one selling book, second place is Shakespear.
I find it funny that so many people say Jesus was just some guy, and yet we all can't stop putting him in our books, movies, comics, etc.

As for Christian rock? I can't say the music it self is awesome, but like I said before. Alice Cooper, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, and Lordi, all have allot of songs that hint on the Cristian side of things.

Oh yeah, JESUS IS F**KING METAL!

[DShizzle1029]

Some people who ask that "Why does God let bad things happen to good people?" dont know why...Us Christians, dont even know why he lets bad things happen, BUT...in our faith, God always has a greater purpose for those bad things. Just study the book of Job.

FunkaTrunk: hell, even Trent Reznor went slightly Christian in Year Zero, which is a big change from his song Heresy on The Downward Spiral.

[lithiumkc]

I've heard over 7 reports that Christians take up 55% of the world. That's mostlikely growing. Some people ask me "Ok, if there is a God, why do all these bad things happen?"


lol @ 55%.. Try just over 2 billion, less than 1/3rd of the worlds population.

[lambofgod1]

I am by no means saying that the Bible is filled with just violence. That'd be stupid. I know that there're also morals and messages and lots of other pleasant things about the Bible... but it also has a dark side and it would be wrong of you to not see that. I'm not saying that you don't know about the violence but to if you're ignoring it, that's wrong.

As for who the anti-Rockstar game crowd is, what religion do you think the general public is? I'm not saying that they're against the the company because they're Christian/Catholic. And I agree, those games are not for children at all but the gaming industry has catered to lazy parenting for so long with the rating system that it's so stupid to blame them because some mom's 14 year old made them buy "Warriors". But the industry is still blamed and it's sad.

And I'm sorry if I'm making it seem that Christianity/Catholicism is an evil religion, it's gotten quite a few people through some hard times, but when they attack something as harmless as entertainment because they have nothing else better to do, I start to take offense. Instead of worrying about how you can crash a car into a building, how about helping OUR homeless (where it matters and not some country where they're surrounded by other well-off countries... explain that one). Instead of complaining that Little Johnny has a killing spree in Unreal Tournament, how about figuring out where Suzy got her gun. Teen crime has actually gone down since games have gotten more violent and plentiful but we never hear that part. Let's not forget that Ancient Rome, the melting pot of all things civilized and decent, spent a good portion of their time watching lions tear humans apart.

Oh, and I'm not defending Satanism. I was just making a throwaway comment. But if we're looking for proof that any one religion is right, it's all around you. Every religion has proof that they're right and the other one's wrong. Every single religion. Something to think about.

yes i have looked at the violence side of the bible...but how do you get that it is the most violent? it talks about how God is going to unleash his wrath on the earth and it tells how he does it but if you read the bible you would know that The unleashment of god's wrath is due because of how much sin is in the world...

and about the homeless people part...i live about 10 min from detroit....me and about 10 other people from my church go to two different homeless shelters every month....one for men, and one for women and children, to feed the hungry...and two families from my church are going to guana, africa to help the homeless....so how do you get that we are worrying about the wrong things...(i know that comment wasn't directed toward me, again, i was making a point)

[lambofgod1]

I've heard over 7 reports that Christians take up 55% of the world. That's mostlikely growing. Some people ask me "Ok, if there is a God, why do all these bad things happen?"
Look at the Twin Towers. After that happend, SO MANY frickin people became Christian. Those huricanes? Somehow, people started beliving in God after helping one another. Oh, and the Bible is the number one selling book, second place is Shakespear.
I find it funny that so many people say Jesus was just some guy, and yet we all can't stop putting him in our books, movies, comics, etc.

As for Christian rock? I can't say the music it self is awesome, but like I said before. Alice Cooper, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, and Lordi, all have allot of songs that hint on the Cristian side of things.

Oh yeah, JESUS IS F**KING METAL!

i'm not saying that you are wrong...but how many of that 55% are "true"christians...i mean, anyone can say that they have a christian backround, but how man people, who label themselves as christians, are actually true followers of christ...i realize that have the world is christian "has a christian backround" but when it comes down to it, probably less than half of that 55% actually follow christ...

[GambitOfDesires]

yes i have looked at the violence side of the bible...but how do you get that it is the most violent? it talks about how God is going to unleash his wrath on the earth and it tells how he does it but if you read the bible you would know that The unleashment of god's wrath is due because of how much sin is in the world...

and about the homeless people part...i live about 10 min from detroit....me and about 10 other people from my church go to two different homeless shelters every month....one for men, and one for women and children, to feed the hungry...and two families from my church are going to guana, africa to help the homeless....so how do you get that we are worrying about the wrong things...(i know that comment wasn't directed toward me, again, i was making a point)

Killing your first-born, smearing blood on your door, talking about cutting a child in half, turning an entire city into salt, turning water into blood, the crucifixion... these are just a few things that happen in there. There's countless other horrors in that book that I leave for the world to find out.

I'm glad that you and the people you know are helping the homeless around you but who's the help being asked for on TV in the middle of the night?

[lithiumkc]

yes i have looked at the violence side of the bible...but how do you get that it is the most violent? it talks about how God is going to unleash his wrath on the earth and it tells how he does it but if you read the bible you would know that The unleashment of god's wrath is due because of how much sin is in the world...

Hypothetical:

Your cat has kittens. You raise a kitten yourself. You realize cats pee a lot. You let it do whatever it wants from birth. It pees all over your floors and couches for most of its life and you don't do anything about it or teach it not to. 7 years later, it pees on the couch like every other normal day, but this time you pick it up and drown it. Fair? God knew full well sin was inevitable and thus created sin himself. This is a fact if you continue to say that God is omnipotent.

So God created sin, and is one day going to say 'Ahh **** it, enoughs enough, time to lay the smack down out of nowhere'? Sounds pretty messed up to me. We go unpunished for pissing on gods couch all these years, and suddenly he's gonna drown us? I just wish some of you Christians would be willing to at least MOULD your views.. Yes, there may be a God. Is the bible to be taken completely literally from page to page, though? GOD NO. There are so many subjective stories in the bible that its ridiculous



and about the homeless people part...i live about 10 min from detroit....me and about 10 other people from my church go to two different homeless shelters every month....one for men, and one for women and children, to feed the hungry...and two families from my church are going to guana, africa to help the homeless....so how do you get that we are worrying about the wrong things...(i know that comment wasn't directed toward me, again, i was making a point)

And a lot of missionaries travel to 3rd world countries who know nothing of religion but what their tribe made, they are then coerced into becoming Christian. How would you like it if an islamic extremist group flew over here and tore your beliefs away, making you islamic instead? They don't go to HELP the homeless, they go to spread their religion, helping the homeless is secondary and aids them in converting people who are easily converted.

[GambitOfDesires]

And I just wanna say thanks for those participating in this thread for being mature about it. Yeah, it's pretty heated but at least we are beheading people... until my cat pees on my couch. Then it's on like Donkey Kong.

[madmike1]

For the record P.O.D is nto a christain band they just have spiritual lyrics but anyway if i want may christain bands in there it would be 12 Stones and alittle bit of Kutless but not much of Kutless seeing as a few of there songs are pretty bad but 12 Stones are good

[HollywoodBound]

Red is Awesome. Just because a band proclaims they are a Christian Band doesnt mean their songs are about Jesus and God and being preachy like say Creed or Alter Bridge.

[lambofgod1]

Hypothetical:

Your cat has kittens. You raise a kitten yourself. You realize cats pee a lot. You let it do whatever it wants from birth. It pees all over your floors and couches for most of its life and you don't do anything about it or teach it not to. 7 years later, it pees on the couch like every other normal day, but this time you pick it up and drown it. Fair? God knew full well sin was inevitable and thus created sin himself. This is a fact if you continue to say that God is omnipotent.

So God created sin, and is one day going to say 'Ahh **** it, enoughs enough, time to lay the smack down out of nowhere'? Sounds pretty messed up to me. We go unpunished for pissing on gods couch all these years, and suddenly he's gonna drown us? I just wish some of you Christians would be willing to at least MOULD your views.. Yes, there may be a God. Is the bible to be taken completely literally from page to page, though? GOD NO. There are so many subjective stories in the bible that its ridiculous



And a lot of missionaries travel to 3rd world countries who know nothing of religion but what their tribe made, they are then coerced into becoming Christian. How would you like it if an islamic extremist group flew over here and tore your beliefs away, making you islamic instead? They don't go to HELP the homeless, they go to spread their religion, helping the homeless is secondary and aids them in converting people who are easily converted.

first of all, God did not create sin, God wanted life on earth to be perfect...sin is generally an act against god, an act of disobedience...Satan (lucifer) was a Cherub Angel...he was one of God's "most high" angels...approximately 1/3 of the angels in heaven were under his command/control...once her realized how beautiful and wise God made him, he decided that he wanted to be of higher importance than his creater, God...so he took the 1/3 of angel that were under him and they rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven...once God created man (adam and eve), satan decided to tempt them into disobeying god and that is what brought sin into the world...omnipotent simply means "unlimited power", it does not mean God created sin, it means that God has the power and ability to do as he pleases...

God doesnt, out of nowhere, decide to destroy the earth...that was his plan when sin first entered the earth...he wanted life to go on until sin got carried away...why do you think God flooded the earth during Noah's time? this time it will be for good though, and it wont be a flood...

yes, every page of the page is true...it says that even though it was written by man, it was inspired by God...why would god put something false his his bible?

yes, christians try to convert people into christian when going to 3rd world countries, but that is only because it says in the bible that we are supposed to be messengers of God, we are supposed to witness (preach) to those who dont know christ...but regardless of whether they accept christianity or not, the christians still serve them...

[lambofgod1]

Red is Awesome. Just because a band proclaims they are a Christian Band doesnt mean their songs are about Jesus and God and being preachy like say Creed or Alter Bridge.

actually they are preachy lyrics...listen to breathe into me....he is asking God to breathe his life into him because he is falling (suffering, going through a hard time maybe...something of that sort)...listen to "let go"....he is describing how satan "bends and bruises him" and how he is going to let go of the sin in his life...

even though the music sounds good does not mean there isnt a message to it...you have to listen to the lyrics

[lithiumkc]

first of all, God did not create sin, God wanted life on earth to be perfect...sin is generally an act against god, an act of disobedience...Satan (lucifer) was a Cherub Angel...he was one of God's "most high" angels...approximately 1/3 of the angels in heaven were under his command/control...once her realized how beautiful and wise God made him, he decided that he wanted to be of higher importance than his creater, God...so he took the 1/3 of angel that were under him and they rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven... Okay. So did god also create the angels? I'm going to assume that's a yes since he is the alpha and the omega. So he creates an army of angels for himself. How would these angels even be able to process what sin, or a mutiny of this sort IS without God ALLOWING them to comprehend it when he created them? I'm sorry dude but there is no way you can get around this. The only way sin could be in the world is if God allowed it to be there. Period. He either could have made perfection, in which case we would not even have a definition for the word sin, or he could ALLOW sin to happen for the first time, being omnipotent (and omniscient). Period.

So please, once again, admit that God allowed sin to happen, and thus created it, or deny God's omniscience and therefore omnipotence. Thank you.



once God created man (adam and eve), satan decided to tempt them into disobeying god and that is what brought sin into the world...omnipotent simply means "unlimited power", it does not mean God created sin, it means that God has the power and ability to do as he pleases...
So.. God isn't also omniscient? God, a truly all powerful god, is both omnipotent and omniscient (Omniscience would be IMPLIED by saying he's omnipotent). So either he knows all and added the ingredients to CREATE sin, or he doesn't know all.



God doesnt, out of nowhere, decide to destroy the earth...that was his plan when sin first entered the earth...he wanted life to go on until sin got carried away...why do you think God flooded the earth during Noah's time? this time it will be for good though, and it wont be a flood...
Actually it's widely agreed that the 'flood' did not cover the entire earth, but merely a portion of a continent.

Oh, and where the hell is this ENORMOUS boat that held 2 of every single animal. And don't forget species. Think of the millions of species in every genus on the planet. They all mutated from simply a maximum of TWO species of each animal? My ass.



yes, every page of the page is true...it says that even though it was written by man, it was inspired by God...why would god put something false his his bible?
Then why don't all christians follow the part where it says to kill disobedient sons, in the old testament? Or that if a woman is raped her assailant need only pay 20 pieces of silver to her father and then they're basically married? If you want, I can go find these actual passages, and then you can explain to me why your dad didn't kill you when you said you didn't want to clean your room back in the day.

Oh that's right, like many of the passages in the bible the general consensus is that only SOME of the rules should be followed. :rolleyes: Hypocrisy at it's best. "EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED except for all the ones where we have to kill family members and all. Those ones don't count"



yes, christians try to convert people into christian when going to 3rd world countries, but that is only because it says in the bible that we are supposed to be messengers of God, we are supposed to witness (preach) to those who dont know christ...but regardless of whether they accept christianity or not, the christians still serve them...

Listen, I believe in A GOD. I do not believe in CHRISTIANITY. The religion is so utterly flawed from its core that i'm amazed sane people can actually follow it. The bible is not a literal translation. The bible is a book of metaphors and a general guideline on how people should live a good life. Aesops fables on a large scale. Please, take some time to think about the facts presented to you and make your own philosophies. Denying christianity is not denying the existence of God. It is denying a large collection of mistranslated lies that nobody should follow completely.

[lambofgod1]

For the record P.O.D is nto a christain band they just have spiritual lyrics but anyway if i want may christain bands in there it would be 12 Stones and alittle bit of Kutless but not much of Kutless seeing as a few of there songs are pretty bad but 12 Stones are good

P.O.D is a christian band...P.O.D stands for Payable On Death...which means their sins have been payed for by the death of jesus christ...i understand that they play with bands like greenday and korn...but that does not mean they arent a christian...they are one of those bands that dont advertise themselves as a christian band because then only the christians would buy their music..if they advertise themselves as plain pop/rock or metal, then they will appeal to the general public and christians would still buy their music too...look at any christian book store...if they have christian rock, they have P.O.D

[Athalis]

I don't see why religion should matter in the songs (like i'm sure someone has said but everyone started arguing about sin and the bible and stuff and I got bored ;) ) cos I agree some christian groups do make good songs and the fact that they and their lyrics may have a theological message is irrelevant- when you play guitar hero you don't care about the bands in question or what they stand for you just want to rock out the solo whether it's from a religious band or not. Also, while many christian bands are exceptional musicians and do make excellent songs a lot of them are far too un-known to be put into a game like this- if you look at the line up already you can see that they're using MTV's status to get some of the most well-known songs in the history of rock togethr.
I just think that while religion can be important to bands and listeners it's all about the music and whether they are christian, satanists, jews, or klingons shouldn't matter as long as the songs are kick-ass.

by the way im a christian too and I would much rather listen to iron maiden than a christian band

[lithiumkc]

P.S. A few of the "Do not have to follow" passages in the bible.


Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Should be a lot more deaths aged 5-19 due to this one.


If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Sadistic.



If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
Not only does this contradict the above passage... But it's just as bad.

Here are some fun contradictions. Which one of these is the one that's 100% true... like the whole bible is supposed to be?



5. God is tired and rests
Exodus 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Isaiah 40:28

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]


etcetera etcetera ad nauseum, there are huge amounts of these on this website www.evilbible.com

Have fun kids :)

[lithiumkc]

P.S. A few of the "Do not have to follow" passages in the bible.




Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Should be a lot more deaths aged 5-19 due to this one.



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Sadistic.




If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

Not only does this contradict the above passage... But it's just as bad.

Here are some fun contradictions. Which one of these is the one that's 100% true... like the whole bible is supposed to be?




5. God is tired and rests
Exodus 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Isaiah 40:28

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]

etcetera etcetera ad nauseum, there are huge amounts of these on this website www.evilbible.com

Have fun kids

[lambofgod1]

Okay. So did god also create the angels? I'm going to assume that's a yes since he is the alpha and the omega. So he creates an army of angels for himself. How would these angels even be able to process what sin, or a mutiny of this sort IS without God ALLOWING them to comprehend it when he created them? I'm sorry dude but there is no way you can get around this. The only way sin could be in the world is if God allowed it to be there. Period. He either could have made perfection, in which case we would not even have a definition for the word sin, or he could ALLOW sin to happen for the first time, being omnipotent (and omniscient). Period.

So please, once again, admit that God allowed sin to happen, and thus created it, or deny God's omniscience and therefore omnipotence. Thank you.


So.. God isn't also omniscient? God, a truly all powerful god, is both omnipotent and omniscient (Omniscience would be IMPLIED by saying he's omnipotent). So either he knows all and added the ingredients to CREATE sin, or he doesn't know all.


Actually it's widely agreed that the 'flood' did not cover the entire earth, but merely a portion of a continent.

Oh, and where the hell is this ENORMOUS boat that held 2 of every single animal. And don't forget species. Think of the millions of species in every genus on the planet. They all mutated from simply a maximum of TWO species of each animal? My ass.


Then why don't all christians follow the part where it says to kill disobedient sons, in the old testament? Or that if a woman is raped her assailant need only pay 20 pieces of silver to her father and then they're basically married? If you want, I can go find these actual passages, and then you can explain to me why your dad didn't kill you when you said you didn't want to clean your room back in the day.

Oh that's right, like many of the passages in the bible the general consensus is that only SOME of the rules should be followed. :rolleyes: Hypocrisy at it's best. "EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED except for all the ones where we have to kill family members and all. Those ones don't count"



Listen, I believe in A GOD. I do not believe in CHRISTIANITY. The religion is so utterly flawed from its core that i'm amazed sane people can actually follow it. The bible is not a literal translation. The bible is a book of metaphors and a general guideline on how people should live a good life. Aesops fables on a large scale. Please, take some time to think about the facts presented to you and make your own philosophies. Denying christianity is not denying the existence of God. It is denying a large collection of mistranslated lies that nobody should follow completely.


yes, God is the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End, and yes he did create angels...but those angels had a choice...he gave us free will as well as angels, to do as we please..but what we have to realize is that if we make the wrong choices, we will be punished and we will be reward for the right choices that we make...it says in the bible they we will be crowned with many crowns (in heaven, if you make it there)...

yes, God made us perfect, but we have free will...Lucifer was God's most beautiful angel...and once Lucifer realized how beautiful he was, he wanted to be worshiped like God...so, with his selfishness, he was cast out of heaven, where he made his own kingdom with 1/3 of the angels in hell....(he used the free will that God allowed us to have and he made the wrong choice...in making the wrong choice he was punished by being cast out of heaven...and ever since man was created, Satan has tryed to have a larger impact on more humans than God...satan knows there is no turning back, he is bound for hell, but he wants to drag us humans down with him...) see, god did not allow sin, adam and eve alowwed it when they made a choice to disobey God...

i will admit, god allowed sin...as he allowed us to have free will...when we make the wrong choices, we are punished, like i've said before....would you have like it better if God did not give us free will? what if we were programmed to do as he pleased, that would not be fun would it?

the reason we dont follow the old testament is because we live in the new testament...the old testament ended once jesus was crucified on the cross, then the new testament began...those who lived in the old testament had a different culture...they believed that if you were not a virgin when you got married, you should be killed...as well as if you were a witch, or a rapist, or someone who cursed his or her parents...before the blood of christ was shed, we did not have anything to clear our sins...so that is how it was done, as part of the culture...(they also sacrificed sheep)...

a christian is simply someone who believes in christ and that he was the son of God and that he died on the cross for our sins...if you dont believe that, then you arent going to heaven...it says in the bible in words of red (jesus' words) that "i am the way, the truth, and the life, noone comes to the father except through me"...

[FunkaTrunk]

i'm not saying that you are wrong...but how many of that 55% are "true"christians...i mean, anyone can say that they have a christian backround, but how man people, who label themselves as christians, are actually true followers of christ...i realize that have the world is christian "has a christian backround" but when it comes down to it, probably less than half of that 55% actually follow christ...

Dude, that's compleatly true. I hear friends at school say there Cristians, but they always
take God's name in vain. What better are the self called Cristians who know what is right from wrong, and yet still choose wrong, from those who refuse God? I was baptised by choice a few months back, because I want to tell the world that Jesus is my saviour.
There are to many different ways of living in the Bible, but all we have to do is do what Jesus told us to do. It's NOT that hard...jeeze.

[FunkaTrunk]

YOU'RE not quite on subject!

Woho! Easy there, retract the claws. He didn't mean that, he was just joking.

[karlkaza]

I haven't heard any of those bands but blink 182 deserves to be in rock band.
Does anyone agree? Anyone????

[FunkaTrunk]

I haven't heard any of those bands but blink 182 deserves to be in rock band.
Does anyone agree? Anyone????

Oh, right, this thread is about songs, hehe.

Any song (or all songs...all songs would be good) by Lordi. LambofGod, I know you would like allot of there songs. "Hard Rock Hallelujah" and "The Devil is a Loser" in perticular.

And for all you non-Cristians, all of there other songs are FANTASTIC! "Blood Red Sandman" is one of my two favorite songs, and "Bringing Back The Balls To Rock" has a certin punch to it (I realize I suck at spelling).
Cristmas
CRIST-mas. It's his birth-day you know...

[Guitarplayer777]

I think there should be some hillsongs united on that list. They sound awesome!!

check em out here:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5309559

[Smidget]

I just stopped reading every post on the last few pages because this thread is insanity. I'm a Christian and have been listening to hard rock Christian music for years. Can we please stop going on rants about Christianity. If someone makes a comment about how they hate Christians and Christian music, all you Christians in here don't need to go on a 3 paragraph rant about how God is their savior and still loves you. Not only is this the wonderful intraweb, it is a thread on a video game forum that is supposed to be talking Christian music that would make sense in RockBand, that is all. Not theological discussions. This is not the thread to defend Christianity. Go make another thread about "Discussing Christianity" if you want that, doing it here is just silly and will lead to nothing. If the song rocks and makes sense to be in Rockband, then there you go. I've been a panhead (Skillet fan) since the beginning back in 96. I listened to the past two records over and over and over again to see if I could find a song to add to my list sent to Harmonix. Though their music is "heavy rock", I could only find one song that actually made sense to be in the game based off the composition of the song. Everything else would make for boring guitar parts, boring drum parts, etc. So please please please, just because you want Christian music in the game (which would be spiffy) don't suggest stuff in here just because its the hard rock of the Christian music industry. And Hillsongs United? stop being "I'll just post this with a link so people will click it and see how awesome they are! teehee, im so witty". And if you were serious... >_>

[johnnyhala]

To maybe get this thread back on track.


Anyone heard of The Newsboys? I think they'd be a decent fit.


PS. I don't think a music game should have christian music just for the sake of saying that it has some christian music. It should have good music, christian, hindu, voodoo, or otherwise.

I think this is probably one of their more RB applicable songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAKsOa__vyU

[newwaytodie]

I don't think the game needs to reach anyone. It just needs to have great songs.


PS: remember this game? (http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/w20-19.htm)

[xCHRISx]

I'll pass on the Christian music, thanks. Although as someone mentioned on page 1, olllldschool Underoath used to rock. They suck now though. How bout some Creed???!?!:(

[Guitarplayer777]

I just stopped reading every post on the last few pages because this thread is insanity. I'm a Christian and have been listening to hard rock Christian music for years. Can we please stop going on rants about Christianity. If someone makes a comment about how they hate Christians and Christian music, all you Christians in here don't need to go on a 3 paragraph rant about how God is their savior and still loves you. Not only is this the wonderful intraweb, it is a thread on a video game forum that is supposed to be talking Christian music that would make sense in RockBand, that is all. Not theological discussions. This is not the thread to defend Christianity. Go make another thread about "Discussing Christianity" if you want that, doing it here is just silly and will lead to nothing. If the song rocks and makes sense to be in Rockband, then there you go. I've been a panhead (Skillet fan) since the beginning back in 96. I listened to the past two records over and over and over again to see if I could find a song to add to my list sent to Harmonix. Though their music is "heavy rock", I could only find one song that actually made sense to be in the game based off the composition of the song. Everything else would make for boring guitar parts, boring drum parts, etc. So please please please, just because you want Christian music in the game (which would be spiffy) don't suggest stuff in here just because its the hard rock of the Christian music industry. And Hillsongs United? stop being "I'll just post this with a link so people will click it and see how awesome they are! teehee, im so witty". And if you were serious... >_>

You prove a good point there.

[gamecast2]

im christian
i just think its funny when peple tell me i going to hell because i listin to slayer, ozzy, metallica, ect. you know
one of my friends told me that metallica sends out meseges of the devil so the next day i gave him and his friends a ride home and listend to 666 number of the beast and runnin with the devil just to piss him off it was ****ing funny

anyways really i dont care just as long as what ever song they put on there is not screaming about how good god is and how u need to fallow him

[HardRockerBrazil]

Id like to say before I start that I am a loyal Christian, following in the footsteps of my Lord Jesus Christ:

Now, Ive played GH1 and GH2, as well as Fequency by Harmonix, and Ive never had a problem with any of their songs. I am a drummer in my own band, and Ive played songs that werent Christian. It doesnt bother me, but it would be cool to see someone like Showbread, Pillar, or Tyler Read. Maybe even Disciple. Right now, I am about to leave for Cornerstone (The worlds largest christian rock festival in Bushnell, Illinois), and there are plenty bands deserving that are playing there this week.

But, instead of seeing religions being accepted into RockBand, I would much rather see some great music that me and my friends can rock to. Christian or not, it doesnt matter to me.

To Those About To Rock, I Salute You,
~|Rayzor|~

*applause*
If everyone thought like you, the world would be a much better place, without a doubt.

I've once been talked into joining the Church just because I was wearing an Iron Maiden T-shirt - this woman thought I was some junkie. But the fact is, I never ever had drugs in my life. This is why I'm not one to go for religion and rely on it to do everything. But I do believe there's a God above us to pray to (something that, I confess, I don't do often because of some memory lapses of mine), and that He has the power to do good for we all.

[kg7310]

I would reeeaaaaalllllyyyy like underoath to be in rock band... that would be AWESOOMEE
ok, I would like to see one of these songs of underoath.
When the sun sleeps
Reinventing your exit
You're ever so inviting
Writing on the walls.
Ammm. Harmonix !!! plz put one of these songs on rock band :(

[lambofgod1]

I just stopped reading every post on the last few pages because this thread is insanity. I'm a Christian and have been listening to hard rock Christian music for years. Can we please stop going on rants about Christianity. If someone makes a comment about how they hate Christians and Christian music, all you Christians in here don't need to go on a 3 paragraph rant about how God is their savior and still loves you. Not only is this the wonderful intraweb, it is a thread on a video game forum that is supposed to be talking Christian music that would make sense in RockBand, that is all. Not theological discussions. This is not the thread to defend Christianity. Go make another thread about "Discussing Christianity" if you want that, doing it here is just silly and will lead to nothing. If the song rocks and makes sense to be in Rockband, then there you go. I've been a panhead (Skillet fan) since the beginning back in 96. I listened to the past two records over and over and over again to see if I could find a song to add to my list sent to Harmonix. Though their music is "heavy rock", I could only find one song that actually made sense to be in the game based off the composition of the song. Everything else would make for boring guitar parts, boring drum parts, etc. So please please please, just because you want Christian music in the game (which would be spiffy) don't suggest stuff in here just because its the hard rock of the Christian music industry. And Hillsongs United? stop being "I'll just post this with a link so people will click it and see how awesome they are! teehee, im so witty". And if you were serious... >_>

i think you just need to calm down...the only reason im defending christianity is because others are offending it...

[lambofgod1]

I'll pass on the Christian music, thanks. Although as someone mentioned on page 1, olllldschool Underoath used to rock. They suck now though. How bout some Creed???!?!:(

you are the third to suggest creed...and there is no problem with that, except that it is not a christian band...yes, some of their songs have lyrics regarding faith, but that does not make them a christian band, sorry...

[lambofgod1]

P.S. A few of the "Do not have to follow" passages in the bible.



Quote:
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Should be a lot more deaths aged 5-19 due to this one.


Quote:
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Sadistic.



Quote:
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

Not only does this contradict the above passage... But it's just as bad.

Here are some fun contradictions. Which one of these is the one that's 100% true... like the whole bible is supposed to be?



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5. God is tired and rests
Exodus 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Isaiah 40:28

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]

etcetera etcetera ad nauseum, there are huge amounts of these on this website www.evilbible.com

Have fun kids

Proverbs 20:20 does not suggest killing your children if they disobey..it is saying that they will be punished...(somehow by God)...

Leviticus 20:9....notice how Leviticus is of the old testament books...the old testament people lived a different culture than we do....they believed that you should also be put to death for not being a virgin when you get married, or for being a witch....you have to realize that to obey your parents was a law and for not obeying, you deserved "capital punishment" (which means being put to death)...the old testament ended when jesus was put to death on a cross....if you read the new testament books, yes it says to obey your parents but you will not find anything about killing your children for disobedience towards parents...

[Smidget]

i think you just need to calm down...the only reason im defending christianity is because others are offending it...

then you sir, missed the entire point of my post. great jorb.

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[byob_soad2]

a lot of people make good points about this subject.

1. if they add christian music they would have to add music for every other major religion.

2. some christians do say rock is "evil." I've read that some say the phrase "christian rock" is an oxymoron-that all rock is "the devil's work" or some crap like that. not ALL but SOME do.

[lambofgod1]

a lot of people make good points about this subject.

1. if they add christian music they would have to add music for every other major religion.

2. some christians do say rock is "evil." I've read that some say the phrase "christian rock" is an oxymoron-that all rock is "the devil's work" or some crap like that. not ALL but SOME do.

No, they do not have to add music from other religions...the dont have to put it in because it is christian, only if i sounds good...and usually Hindu, islam etc....are foreign (arabic)...and there isn't a problem with that other than the fact that their music probably doesn't have all the instruments that will be used in rock band...so it would be pointless...

I understand what your saying and i agree...i know some christians think that is "evil", but if they would just get over the "heavy or Hard" part of it, and listen to the lyrics then, we would not have that problem....

Personally, the only christian rock bands that have a problem with are the ones that label themselves as "christian rock" or "christian metal", and their lyrics promote "secular" things...(drugs, alcohol, sex....etc)

[x3ar23]

lambofgod1 Get the **** out or shut the **** up. ur display picture shows u wearing a chain/necklaces and anything thts is worn for anything else then the purpose of warmth or protection is display personal prefrence and pride. pride is a sin in ur religion and ur a hypocrit like most of the christian community. Also ur pleed for christian gamers is displaying greed another sin you should be content with what you get. if you get angry reading this remember you are yet again sinning. i dont blame u christianity is set up to make everyone sin and make everyone go 2 church ridding of sin and feeling free to sin again. 90% of the christian following are hypocrits. If you take the time to relize this u may understand how narrow minded ur religion is and consider a different religion or atheism. naturally ur going to denine all my claims and use ur own stupidity to convince ur self with self decite that you ignoreing my claims and staying true to "god" are good. this is another well thought out trait of christianity getting its followers to decive them selfs. i only respect people who follow there religions properly.

[icecoldbeerer]

Okay okay!!

Enough with the moral crap!

Why do we need worship music or whatever?

Just put in some CREEEEEEEEEEEEED.


Man im not even Christian and i think they are good.



See? Thats all we need. A good band that will shut up any cries for religious music.:D

And besides that stuff that says god and jesus every 5 seconds is annoying.

[Rev0lver]

worship music is propaganda filled bull****. but i don't mind regular rock played by christians.

[lambofgod1]

lambofgod1 Get the **** out or shut the **** up. ur display picture shows u wearing a chain/necklaces and anything thts is worn for anything else then the purpose of warmth or protection is display personal prefrence and pride. pride is a sin in ur religion and ur a hypocrit like most of the christian community. Also ur pleed for christian gamers is displaying greed another sin you should be content with what you get. if you get angry reading this remember you are yet again sinning. i dont blame u christianity is set up to make everyone sin and make everyone go 2 church ridding of sin and feeling free to sin again. 90% of the christian following are hypocrits. If you take the time to relize this u may understand how narrow minded ur religion is and consider a different religion or atheism. naturally ur going to denine all my claims and use ur own stupidity to convince ur self with self decite that you ignoreing my claims and staying true to "god" are good. this is another well thought out trait of christianity getting its followers to decive them selfs. i only respect people who follow there religions properly.

how does wearing a chain show that im not of christianity, or that i am prideful...it says in the bible to "enjoy the fruits of your labor"...and that chain was gift from someone thank you...its not like i went out and brought it so that i would look good or something....yes, pride is a sin...but how do you get that i am prideful? because i wear a gold necklace?

How am i a hypocrit for trying to get harmonix to add a song or two with a "good" message...it would attract some of the christians who play games...i am not at all greedy...i am content with what i have....Do you think when i pray, that i pray that i will become a millionaire? no...most of my prayers are of repentence or they are for someone else...I am the only christian in my home...i live with my dad, who is an alcoholic and my 14 yr old brother who believes in God, but does not follow him...so, most of my prayers go toward them...

I'm not angry, i just think your a "Fool"....you dont know anything about me or what i do, so why do you judge me and say that im not a "true" christian? you gathered that information from what i'm wearing in my picture and from being on a gaming website that include "secular" music...incase you haven't read the previous pages, i stated that i dont want this game so that i can listen to the lyrics, i want it because i think it would be fun to play along to, and i like the instrumentals...

Yes, a large part of christianity is the repentence and the turning away from of sin....but Christianity was not invented by man it was invented by God, and it wasn't invented to make or force people to sin and then expect them to repent and feel bad for sinning...sin is natural...it became natural for humans when eve ate the fruit of good and evil...the devil tempted her to disobey god (god warned her not to eat of it) and eat the fruit anyway...when God made the Earth and life on it, he did not "create" sin, he made life perfect...God made christianity so that people had a "lifestyle" to consider living by...so that people would know how to live on earth to make it to heaven...God expects those christians who repent, to turn away from their sins...and i understand noone is perfect, but im talking about major sins...im not talking about cursing because you stubbed your toe, or calling someone stupid or something..i'm talking about sins that keep people from getting closer to god...sins like lusting, commiting adultry, or alcoholism...These are all sins that keep people bound from getting closer to God...

I agree with you about the part that most christians dont follow God...I would say about 70% dont follow God with a true heart...they go to church on sunday and pray and sing, then during the weak they do as they please...

NO, i absolutely will not consider any other religion or atheism...and you wouldn't either if you experienced God...think about it, you dont want to believe in something that you cant prove is real right? well, what if God (The father of Jesus and creater of the universe, not allah, buddah, or any of the greek Gods) came to you in a dream or he spoke to you while your were praying or something, would you then believe in him...try going to church one sunday...a christian church...i would prefer a pentacostal church, but a baptist church would be fine...not a catholic church...catholism is a form of christianity, but they support alcoholism and gambling...the bible clearly states not to do these things (it says that you can drank, but you shouldn't get drunk...drunkeness robs you of clear thinking), yet catholics support them...

Thank you for your time...again i'm not mad, well i feel insulted, but im not mad...if god can forgive, why cant i, right?

[lambofgod1]

Okay okay!!

Enough with the moral crap!

Why do we need worship music or whatever?

Just put in some CREEEEEEEEEEEEED.


Man im not even Christian and i think they are good.



See? Thats all we need. A good band that will shut up any cries for religious music.:D

And besides that stuff that says god and jesus every 5 seconds is annoying.

for the last time...if you would have read the previous posts, i said that creed was not a christian band, they are a regular alternative rock band that has a person in the band, who has a christian backround...they arent a christian band...

have you even tryed listening to any of the bands i just chose....consider listening to them...

[Rev0lver]

its not music with a "good message" its music with propaganda

[icecoldbeerer]

for the last time...if you would have read the previous posts, i said that creed was not a christian band, they are a regular alternative rock band that has a person in the band, who has a christian backround...they arent a christian band...

have you even tryed listening to any of the bands i just chose....consider listening to them...

Oh okay then.

If you want that crap worship music, keep it to youreself.

None of that will EVER make it in the game. They only pick music people LIKE.

So just lock the thread, i dont see why you try.:mad:

[Rev0lver]

NO, i absolutely will not consider any other religion or atheism...and you wouldn't either if you experienced God...think about it, you dont want to believe in something that you cant prove is real right? well, what if God (The father of Jesus and creater of the universe, not allah, buddah, or any of the greek Gods) came to you in a dream or he spoke to you while your were praying or something, would you then believe in him...try going to church one sunday...a christian church...i would prefer a pentacostal church, but a baptist church would be fine...not a catholic church...catholism is a form of christianity, but they support alcoholism and gambling...the bible clearly states not to do these things (it says that you can drank, but you shouldn't get drunk...drunkeness robs you of clear thinking), yet catholics support them...



i used to think i experienced god. i used to be a god-loving christian that prayed every day and went to church/youth group every week. if god came to me in a dream, i would say it is just a dream. why? because it is just a dream. if Zeus came to you in a dream, would you believe in him?

but one thing i agree with you... is the catholic church. they're so screwed up. much more than the others.

[x3ar23]

hehe u crack me up lambofgod1

[JB4GDI]

Holy crap, there are so many trolls here...

Anyways, to get back on topic, the only two Christian bands I'd like to see in Rock Band are Relient K and Switchfoot, and it's based solely on their sound (and the fact that Switchfoot's last music video is one of the most amazing tributes to Guitar Hero - it's like they were begging to get in the next game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHTU2i8RhH8). Lots of sweet guitar riffs and drum beats in all their songs.

-Jaime

[WingsOfSteel]

lambofgod1 Get the **** out or shut the **** up. ur display picture shows u wearing a chain/necklaces and anything thts is worn for anything else then the purpose of warmth or protection is display personal prefrence and pride. pride is a sin in ur religion and ur a hypocrit like most of the christian community. Also ur pleed for christian gamers is displaying greed another sin you should be content with what you get. if you get angry reading this remember you are yet again sinning. i dont blame u christianity is set up to make everyone sin and make everyone go 2 church ridding of sin and feeling free to sin again. 90% of the christian following are hypocrits. If you take the time to relize this u may understand how narrow minded ur religion is and consider a different religion or atheism. naturally ur going to denine all my claims and use ur own stupidity to convince ur self with self decite that you ignoreing my claims and staying true to "god" are good. this is another well thought out trait of christianity getting its followers to decive them selfs. i only respect people who follow there religions properly.

You really don't understand a thing about Christianity, do you? You don't even understand how to spell. I've been a Christian for most of my life, and you're stereotyping the vast majority of Christians based on what a ridiculous misunderstanding of what Christians believe. Now is not the time or place to get into theology. The thread is about Christian music and whether it would fit in Rock Band; not about you hijacking it for your paranoid ramblings about how Christians are evil hypocrites, which are insulting to many of the members here.

On topic, Forward Motion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_B7t7OPl4) by Relient K would be a good early tier song, and isn't preachy.

It would be nice to see songs by Switchfoot, Red, and Demon Hunter too.

[Rev0lver]

relient k and switchfoot would be entirely too boring for this game. they only thing i would like to see is old switchfoot(bomb, chem 6A to name a couple songs)

[lambofgod1]

Oh okay then.

If you want that crap worship music, keep it to youreself.

None of that will EVER make it in the game. They only pick music people LIKE.

So just lock the thread, i dont see why you try.:mad:

have you tryed listening to one os the bands i chose? they aren't worship bands, they are rock bands...

[lambofgod1]

i used to think i experienced god. i used to be a god-loving christian that prayed every day and went to church/youth group every week. if god came to me in a dream, i would say it is just a dream. why? because it is just a dream. if Zeus came to you in a dream, would you believe in him?

but one thing i agree with you... is the catholic church. they're so screwed up. much more than the others.

im not talking about in only dreams...im talking about in prayer or worship too...have you heard the voice of God or thought something that you knew had to be of God? i understand dreams can come from anywhere, but im talking about any kind of experience...if you really wanted to experience God, he would show you himself in a way that would make you believe...

[lambofgod1]

You really don't understand a thing about Christianity, do you? You don't even understand how to spell. I've been a Christian for most of my life, and you're stereotyping the vast majority of Christians based on what a ridiculous misunderstanding of what Christians believe. Now is not the time or place to get into theology. The thread is about Christian music and whether it would fit in Rock Band; not about you hijacking it for your paranoid ramblings about how Christians are evil hypocrites, which are insulting to many of the members here.

On topic, Forward Motion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_B7t7OPl4) by Relient K would be a good early tier song, and isn't preachy.

It would be nice to see songs by Switchfoot, Red, and Demon Hunter too.

well, i like switchfoot and relient k, but i just didnt add them to my list because the guitar doesnt sound like something i would play...notice that i added red though, and i think i added demon hunter, im not sure...anyways, red has awesome vocals and guitar and drum intrumentals...Demon hunter, would only be could if harmonix is considering adding a hardcore/screamo band...Demon hunter is something that not many peop can sing too because it screams through alot of the song, but i do like it...

[skylon]

How about "the Devil is a Loser" by Lordi?

No? Okay.

[lambofgod1]

How about "the Devil is a Loser" by Lordi?

No? Okay.

Lordi is definately not christian...yes, they have what sounds like christian lyrics, but they aren't...i've been doing some studying find that two of the band members go to church, one of them was a drum for the church, and the others are atheist...from what i've gathered, they say that they aren't a christian band, they just would rather support christian music than satanic...they say that they are far from satanic, even though they wear the masks and costumes while on stage

[Rev0lver]

im not talking about in only dreams...im talking about in prayer or worship too...have you heard the voice of God or thought something that you knew had to be of God? i understand dreams can come from anywhere, but im talking about any kind of experience...if you really wanted to experience God, he would show you himself in a way that would make you believe...

no, i have never heard the voice of god. i had a rule that nobody talks while i prayed but me. if anybody spoke i would tell them to shut up and stop interrupting. and god never spoke anyway. if you have heard him, you are a liar. yes, i have really wanted to experience god. nothing ever happened. when something does, i will get back to you. but for now god is no more real than the tooth fairy.

just to add: if your up to debate i'm happy to. i get my arguments from the same place you get yours. i attend bible studies weekly and am working with christians daily either at a church, mission trip, or retreat. in fact, i attended a christian music festival earlier this month in my state of PA (creation fest, if you've heard of it). i listened to the speakers there and would joined my group in prayer. i have been an atheist since last summer, and never had any second thoughts.

[lambofgod1]

no, i have never heard the voice of god. i had a rule that nobody talks while i prayed but me. if anybody spoke i would tell them to shut up and stop interrupting. and god never spoke anyway. if you have heard him, you are a liar. yes, i have really wanted to experience god. nothing ever happened. when something does, i will get back to you. but for now god is no more real than the tooth fairy.

im sorry to hear that...but just because you haven't heard his voice, doesn't mean others haven't...it says in the bible "if you ask, you shall receive"...what you receive may not even be in an audible voice...God might only put scriptures in your head for you to read...let me tell you something though...my experience was not a dream nor an audible voice from god, i felt the holy spirit...im not sure if you have ever been to a pentacostal church but that is what we believe in...we believe in speaking in tongue and we believe in prophecy...it says in the bible...i think in mathew..that on the day of pentacost, i think it was the disciples, they experienced the holy spirit, and spoke in tongue...the holy spirit is part of The trinity...Father,son,holy ghost or spirit...i felt peace...i ask for more and to experience more so that i know that he is actually there, but i have faith...it says in the bible to walk by faith and not by sight...i think that what i am going through is a trial...god is trying my faith, to see if i am going to stick with him under what ever circumstance im under, or if i am going to walk away...

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Yes! Get me some Mortification!! A real challenge for singers.

[Rev0lver]

no, you thought you felt something because you WANTED to. faith is by its own merit the denial of evidence. you have zero legitimate proof that your god is there, but you still blindly follow. if i said that there is an orcish ruler that created the world out of bull****, had zero legitimate proof, but followed by faith and prayed to him daily to guide me through my life and not be sent to the eternal wraths of the evil gnomish wizard, you would clearly think i have a mental disorder. now you see how i feel.

[RiffMeister]

Let's Hear it for some Christian Hardcore:

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[lambofgod1]

no, you thought you felt something because you WANTED to. faith is by its own merit the denial of evidence. you have zero legitimate proof that your god is there, but you still blindly follow. if i said that there is an orcish ruler that created the world out of bull****, had zero legitimate proof, but followed by faith and prayed to him daily to guide me through my life and not be sent to the eternal wraths of the evil gnomish wizard, you would clearly think i have a mental disorder. now you see how i feel.

well, how do you explain this one...i promise, this is all true...alright, my church just had a 3 day revival this weekend...there is a guy from our church who used to suffer from back problems..he had them for about 5 years...he had surgery a couple of years ago i think and it ddnt work...well, his wife was the only one who knew where the scar was, he wasnt comfortable talking about his stuation toward others, so noone knew he had surgery except for his wife...well, friday night, my pastor was at home praying and was told to go and pray for Elden's back...after prayer he left and went to his home and told him he wanted to pray for him...well, when he reached his arm around his back he place his hand on the exact spot that elden had his surgery....and started to pray...they came in this morning and elden gave a testimony....his back had been healed...he said that his back has been at its worst for 5 months..he couldnt sleep well at night, and only got a few hours of sleep out of the 7-8 hours he was trying to sleep...next, he apolagized....he said im sorry for coming to church late this morning, i slept in, he said once he fell asleep he stayed asleep throughout the night and accidentally slept in....he said that when the pastor laid his hand on his back, his back straightened immediately and was no long hunched...

how do you explain this one?....was it a coincidence? i dont think so

[Rev0lver]

three things:
1. i have no proof of that being true minus your testimony
2. i know little about medical science, so i'm not somebody who could come up with my own explanation
3. i have a friend who a year and a half ago, was with his brother and friend coming out of a parking lot in their car when a guy in his car, busy talking on his cell phone, smashed into their car. my friend and his brother came out relatively unharmed, but his friend wasn't moving. they sat there praying to god for help and that he will be fine just like them. he was put into a coma for a year. about four months ago, he came out of the coma but to receive serious and permanent physical and mental disabilities and will be forced to lead a new life consisting of special assistance and special education. if god can answer one old man's prayer for good health, but cannot answer one for a high school boy, this god is no god i would like to have.

[lambofgod1]

three things:
1. i have no proof of that being true minus your testimony
2. i know little about medical science, so i'm not somebody who could come up with my own explanation
3. i have a friend who a year and a half ago, was with his brother and friend coming out of a parking lot in their car when a guy in his car, busy talking on his cell phone, smashed into their car. my friend and his brother came out relatively unharmed, but his friend wasn't moving. they sat there praying to god for help and that he will be fine just like them. he was put into a coma for a year. about four months ago, he came out of the coma but to receive serious and permanent physical and mental disabilities and will be forced to lead a new life consisting of special assistance and special education. if god can answer one old man's prayer for good health, but cannot answer one for a high school boy, this god is no god i would like to have.

well, maybe god is going to use him to in a way that no one else knows...maybe that is how his purpose is going to come to past...God doesnt promise us tomorrow, so whether you want him to or not, God is going to try to fullfill his calling that he has on your life...Look a what they prayed for also...they prayed that God would allow him to live...God let him live, but now he is under a condition that God is going to use for the kingdom of God...

people get hurt, people get sick, people have mental disabilities, people die...but that is because God has a calling on their life...It says in the bible that our days are numbered and that God can count every hair on our head...God made people in certain ways, with certain conditions to use for the glory of god...take for instance...there is a girl who is 14 at my church, she sits in a wheel chair...she has a disease and are bones are crippled and aren't strong enough to support her weight...she also has a hard time talking, she has to take deep breathes to get a sentence or 2 out...but let me tell you something...she has been prayed and prophesied over by multiple people, who all say that she will get up and walk before her time is up...why didnt God heal her of her conditions and let her walk? because he is waiting for her to fulfill her purpose, once she has fullfilled her calling, she will walk...she still hasn't given up hope...she loves god and knows and believes that she will walk...she goes to school and witnesses to those who dont know the love of God...who knows...maybe God is waiting for her to graduate from highschool...maybe her calling is to speak to those in her highschool...only god knows what tomorrow holds for us...

the bible also says that sin leads to death, so if someone is living a sinly lifestyle, they may not die, but they might be punished with disease or tragedy...

[Consolcwby]

Oooh... that might've been the wrong thing to say at this time - especially since you don't know. :eek:

Oh, BTW: Here's some Rez Band for ya!

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[Smidget]

just close this thread or start a new one thats ON TOPIC. There's about 2 on-topic posts on every page. jeez...

[Rev0lver]

well, maybe god is going to use him to in a way that no one else knows...maybe that is how his purpose is going to come to past...God doesnt promise us tomorrow, so whether you want him to or not, God is going to try to fullfill his calling that he has on your life...Look a what they prayed for also...they prayed that God would allow him to live...God let him live, but now he is under a condition that God is going to use for the kingdom of God...

people get hurt, people get sick, people have mental disabilities, people die...but that is because God has a calling on their life...It says in the bible that our days are numbered and that God can count every hair on our head...God made people in certain ways, with certain conditions to use for the glory of god...take for instance...there is a girl who is 14 at my church, she sits in a wheel chair...she has a disease and are bones are crippled and aren't strong enough to support her weight...she also has a hard time talking, she has to take deep breathes to get a sentence or 2 out...but let me tell you something...she has been prayed and prophesied over by multiple people, who all say that she will get up and walk before her time is up...why didnt God heal her of her conditions and let her walk? because he is waiting for her to fulfill her purpose, once she has fullfilled her calling, she will walk...she still hasn't given up hope...she loves god and knows and believes that she will walk...she goes to school and witnesses to those who dont know the love of God...who knows...maybe God is waiting for her to graduate from highschool...maybe her calling is to speak to those in her highschool...only god knows what tomorrow holds for us...

the bible also says that sin leads to death, so if someone is living a sinly lifestyle, they may not die, but they might be punished with disease or tragedy...

god loves teenage boys who can barely speak and walk straight? is god perhaps... a child molestre? and if that were me, i would have taken death over that. hopes of college, marriage, a job, and basically a happy life are taken away. there is no real documented proof of divine healing, so once that girl can walk again, show me the news story.

[Rev0lver]

and lambofgod, i would like you to read this essay: http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_irrationality_of_theism

[lithiumkc]

the bible also says that sin leads to death, so if someone is living a sinly lifestyle, they may not die, but they might be punished with disease or tragedy...

I guess Tammy Faye really ****ed up, although she was a christian through and through. Nice of god to bless her with incurable cancer though and make her look like she just opened the ark of the covenant at the end of indiana jones

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-07/31345299.jpg

Thank you god for blessing me with this incessant pain, and making my skin melt off my bones.

WHERES YOUR MESSIAH NOWWWWW?! Please. Christianity as a religion is BS. I do not deny the possibilty of a supreme being, but the entire organized religion surrounding it is crap.

[hmxsean]

Let's keep this to suggestions about "Christian" bands and steer the whole way away from theological for/against arguments and petty crap. It is beneath all of us.

[lambofgod1]

Let's keep this to suggestions about "Christian" bands and steer the whole way away from theological for/against arguments and petty crap. It is beneath all of us.

sorry, that is what i've been trying to do, but it is hard when people write a post say "Jesus music sucks" without even listening to the music that was suggested...

Do me a favor hmxsean, would you listen to the songs i posted and at least consider them being in rock band? wait, you do have say in what gets put in rockband right?

[lithiumkc]

sorry, that is what i've been trying to do, but it is hard when people write a post say "Jesus music sucks" without even listening to the music that was suggested...

Do me a favor hmxsean, would you listen to the songs i posted and at least consider them being in rock band? wait, you do have say in what gets put in rockband right?

Pretty sure everybody else wants him to do a favor too, and put the songs they want in.

Im sure they consider all songs equally and i doubt they are going to base it on religion. The best songs for the game will get in.

[hmxsean]

The best songs for the game will get in.

That is pretty much the plan.

[lambofgod1]

That is pretty much the plan.

fine by me...what about as downloadable songs, could they be added as downloadable songs in the future to download...

[Smidget]

fine by me...what about as downloadable songs, could they be added as downloadable songs in the future to download...

The best songs for the game to be used as DLC will be used for DLC

[lithiumkc]

The best songs for the game to be used as DLC will be used for DLC

Hahaha... i didn't want to say it :p

[lambofgod1]

I updated my list, i added a few bands and a few songs...

[IOIHUMMERIOI]

I'd take...

Red - Breathe Into Me
Pillar - Fireproof
Pillar - Everything
Thousand Foot Krutch - Move
Skillet - Whispers in the Dark

Those songs rock, and get some decent airplay on Squizz. There's no "Heavy" praise the Lord stuff in there, which is why I like them so much, and the sound is just awesome. Sure, there's a message, but not the typical "Beat you over the head" messages. The moment hands raise into the air, heads up, singing Your name on high is where I put the brakes on (insert Michael W Smith W.O.W. garbage here). That just bothers me. Call me lukewarm here or something.

[newwaytodie]

I don't believe in downloadbale songs. They were just invented to keep people in line by brainwashing them.

[lambofgod1]

I'd take...

Red - Breathe Into Me
Pillar - Fireproof
Pillar - Everything
Thousand Foot Krutch - Move
Skillet - Whispers in the Dark

Those songs rock, and get some decent airplay on Squizz.

agreed...but if you havn't make sure you listen to the rest of the RED songs i listed, they are awsome...also, listen to some TYLER READ

[IOIHUMMERIOI]

I'm not worried about being controlled by satin, I'd just make a scarf out of it if it tried to control me.

That one made me LOL!!

That's a signature worthy quote right there. :D

[IOIHUMMERIOI]

agreed...but if you havn't make sure you listen to the rest of the RED songs i listed, they are awsome...also, listen to some TYLER READ

I have heard the rest of the Red songs, and I actually know one of the guys in the band. His father was my boss at my old company. Great guy, and extremely nice family.

Breathe Into Me just sticks with me, so that's why I listed it.

[WingsOfSteel]

My personal favorite Red song is Gave It All Away, but I'd need to listen to all of them again to see which one fits the instruments best.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I dont wanna talk religion, but the guy who sid "faith is denial of evidence", has no idea what he is talking about. Denial....you actively choose to not look for evidence? Thats not supposed to be even an issue.

Anyway, why should there be christian rock bands? What have they contributed to rock music? They just play whatever is hot, whatever is "in", so their message can go through. So, whats the point?

Besides, theres no reason for it. Christian music is missionary music, meant for a purpose, mostly inspiring christians. Does that mean any normal artist not labeled as christian isnt really christian? Better yet, does that mean nothing but christian music can inspire you? I know more than one person, devout christian (one is a pretty hard headed pentecostal) that just LOVE The Number of the Beast by Maiden.

Also, does music not labeled as christian music considered anti-christian music?

[Rev0lver]

I dont wanna talk religion, but the guy who sid "faith is denial of evidence", has no idea what he is talking about. Denial....you actively choose to not look for evidence? Thats not supposed to be even an issue.


not trying to get this back on the religion topic again, but to clear that up, faith is believing without using evidence to back up your beliefs.

[newwaytodie]

I like how it took 19 pages of the most horrendous theological debate I have EVER heard (mostly from lithium) for Sean to step in and put an end to it.

BTW: I think it should be in the forum rules not to bring religion into this forum. There's nothing worse than an evangelizing Christian except for an evangelizing atheist.

[lambofgod1]

I dont wanna talk religion, but the guy who sid "faith is denial of evidence", has no idea what he is talking about. Denial....you actively choose to not look for evidence? Thats not supposed to be even an issue.

Anyway, why should there be christian rock bands? What have they contributed to rock music? They just play whatever is hot, whatever is "in", so their message can go through. So, whats the point?

Besides, theres no reason for it. Christian music is missionary music, meant for a purpose, mostly inspiring christians. Does that mean any normal artist not labeled as christian isnt really christian? Better yet, does that mean nothing but christian music can inspire you? I know more than one person, devout christian (one is a pretty hard headed pentecostal) that just LOVE The Number of the Beast by Maiden.

Also, does music not labeled as christian music considered anti-christian music?

i am actually a pentacostal too...and i am a very devoted christian...i am not saying that non-christian music does not inspire me, im saying the music support sex, drugs, alcohol, satanism, money, etc. is not very inspirational for a christian to listen too...i actually love country music, yes some of it talks about sex and alcohol, but non of it promotes satan or demotes christianity, and most country music are love songs...or love inspired anyways...dont get me wrong, im not telling you that i dont listen to secular music, because i do, i just dont promote the satanist crap....sorry if i offended anybody

[lambofgod1]

I like how it took 19 pages of the most horrendous theological debate I have EVER heard (mostly from lithium) for Sean to step in and put an end to it.

BTW: I think it should be in the forum rules not to bring religion into this forum. There's nothing worse than an evangelizing Christian except for an evangelizing atheist.

like i said before, im not here to preach, im here to discuss music, but when people step on my beliefs i get offended...

[lambofgod1]

not trying to get this back on the religion topic again, but to clear that up, faith is believing without using evidence to back up your beliefs.

well, that is true in a way and it isnt...while the christian faith is about believing and not following God by sight...christianity does have evidence to back it up...jesus was a real person and he healed people, there is evidence that there could have been a worldly flood, they have a satellite photo of what looks like noah's ark and plenty of other things, if you want me to name some more i can keep going...

[newwaytodie]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/9/5/89531a8642da96dcc2b6f00c4f61aadb.gif

[Rev0lver]

i don't want sean to lock this if we keep going, so if you want to do it through PM's, but there is no evidence for a historical jesus, vague evidence of a worldwide flood, i have heard of the noah's ark picture but haven't seen it, could you show me it?

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

i am actually a pentacostal too...and i am a very devoted christian...i am not saying that non-christian music does not inspire me, im saying the music support sex, drugs, alcohol, satanism, money, etc. is not very inspirational for a christian to listen too...i actually love country music, yes some of it talks about sex and alcohol, but non of it promotes satan or demotes christianity, and most country music are love songs...or love inspired anyways...dont get me wrong, im not telling you that i dont listen to secular music, because i do, i just dont promote the satanist crap....sorry if i offended anybody

Thats just it. Where are these "satanic bands"?

Yeah, i wont deny to you, there ARE satanic bands, but thats not the purpose of rock or metal music. Metal is about anything you want it to be. There are christian metal bands, satanic bands, viking bands, pagan bands....its whatever speaks to you. Ill listen to anything. One of my favorite songs on my playlist is a Legion of the Damned song that starts out: "Master! Satan! Lord of Hell!" I LOVE IT!!! Awesome song too. In the chorus it says "Sinful!!....sainthood!"

That doesnt mean Im either anti christian or a satanist (neither the band LOTD, although the used to be a band called Occult, so maybe they are satanists lol i dont know), its just a kick ass song, just like a Mortification song with the Crusader, defender of the cross overtone is kickass too. Angels and demons are both kick ass. I mean, the chorus of Cage's Hell Destroyer conjures up images of mace wielding angels kicking demon ass!!! (its also the cover of the album lol)

But, there are bands that are satanic, and anti-christian. In Metal music, they mostly come from Norway lol!! (no offense to norwegians here. You guys rock). But those that take themselves seriously like that...make crappy music anyway lol (although Kreator kicks ass. i mean, it inspires me to be an Enemy of god!!! kick ass song)

I wanted to be a satanist, but then I remembered Im an atheist so I couldnt :(

[Rev0lver]

satanism like glenn benton's of deicide is what i call "retarted satanism". real satanism is basically an atheistic religion. it doesn't believe in satan at all, it just uses satan as a symbol.

[newwaytodie]

Oh I've thoroughly researched "real" Satanism. I know what it's all about and it aint pretty.

[franman781]

Oh I've thoroughly researched "real" Satanism. I know what it's all about and it aint pretty.

isn't there like rituals and crap that would be considered by most people to be an abomination against humanity, let alone mainstream religion

[newwaytodie]

I cant really say any more. I dont want to get banned.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Since Im discussing this in a Metal forum, lets chip in in the whole satanism thing here too.

There are different satanists. Some satanists are like Revolver says. Some cults use satan as a symbol to their hedonistic philosophies.

Also, there are satanists who, for some reason, believe in satan as a force in the universe that can either be used for good or evil.

Others, truly believe in Satan as the god of evil (mind you, god, not fallen angel) and direct enemy of god and christians.

But, like revolver says, most is ******ed satanism. I think is ******ed because its a modern world religion, and most of those are ******ed anyway.

And yes, most satan cults have Sith like philosophies. lol (Im not making fun. I lol'd so people take me seriously...paradoxically)

Of interest is the guy from the band Gorgoroth. He says he is a satanist, but thats actually a front. He uses it to promote anti-christian beliefs, because he actually is pagan.

At least, these are the three easily found on Wikipedia, but Im sure theresa lot more. People are crazy. Just like theres a million christian cults, theres a million satan cults with different takes on the whole thing.

[franman781]

I cant really say any more. I dont want to get banned.

i understand

[newwaytodie]

Satanism and Paganism have a lot to do with the early church and it's suppression of pagan beliefs.

The pentagram is a holy pagan symbol and when it is inverted it supposedly creates a reversal of the meaning and power. Hence the modern Satanic representation of itself with the inverted pentagram. I'm not an expert, I just find these things to be somewhat fascinating. Baphomet is also a highly satanic figure, seemingly always represented in black metal.

[lithiumkc]

I like how it took 19 pages of the most horrendous theological debate I have EVER heard (mostly from lithium) for Sean to step in and put an end to it.

BTW: I think it should be in the forum rules not to bring religion into this forum. There's nothing worse than an evangelizing Christian except for an evangelizing atheist.

llloooolll and i'm not even an atheist. Had you even read what i was saying you would have known, clearly you didn't. How the hell can theological debate be horrendous? Its a completely subjective subject, there is no right or wrong that we know of. Plus every point I raised was either in the bible or through logical deduction makes sense.

P.S. I'm agnostic, get it straight.

[ewanuk]

Ugh, ANYTIME you involve religion in ANYTHING, you're going to end up with more pissed off people than satisfied customers. Just leave it out for now and leave in the rock classics. If it's good and people will know it, put it in. But putting in a song JUST because it's Christian? eww no. . .

[wallllawalla]

I wouldnt mind some Reliant-K there Christian

[wallllawalla]

I wouldnt mind some Reliant-K there Christian

[Smidget]

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[franman781]

Ugh, ANYTIME you involve religion in ANYTHING, you're going to end up with more pissed off people than satisfied customers. Just leave it out for now and leave in the rock classics. If it's good and people will know it, put it in. But putting in a song JUST because it's Christian? eww no. . .

im not suggesting music BECAUSE they're Christian, and im sure no one else is either. it's mainly because the music is awesome and a lot of people like it.

the term Christian Rock is just being used because fans of this type can identify and talk about it.

[hmxsean]

I'm fairly certain this thread has run it's course and then some. Feel free to add these bands to your individual setlists in new threads.