OFFICIAL "my drumpad doesn't pick up single-drum rolls" THREAD

[deepbluevibes]

So, post here if your drumpad pretty much dies on single-drum rolls.

And by this, i mean the rolls you see on Expert, where you're hitting around 8+ notes a second.

I can full combo songs except for these; I went into practice and tested it out, and trying to do ANY sort of quick roll on my set yields absolute unresponsiveness.

I'll have video later, but I mean, I hit it 10+ times in a row, and not a single hit lit up during the freestyle section (nor on the bottom of the bar).

I know it's not lag, because again, i'm full comboing the entire rest of the song, and I know it's not skill, because what i'm doing is child's play compared to real drums or drummania or any other rhythm game for that matter; so is anyone else having these problems?

[bugnutz]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any drum rolls in Rock Band, unless they're in songs I haven't unlocked yet. Plenty of sixteenth notes, which are pretty quick. No problems playing those on expert. What song has the rolls you are referring to?

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[deepbluevibes]

I describe rolls as subsequent hits on a single drum that are in quick succession.

Pretty much every song in the game on expert has them.

I.e. if you're hitting the yellow drum in 4ths, normal speed, and then you have to hit a quick stream of 8 notes at 16th speed, that's what i mean by a roll.

[bugnutz]

I describe rolls as subsequent hits on a single drum that are in quick succession.

Pretty much every song in the game on expert has them.

I.e. if you're hitting the yellow drum in 4ths, normal speed, and then you have to hit a quick stream of 8 notes at 16th speed, that's what i mean by a roll.

So, you're normaly playing 8th notes on the yellow for the high-hat sections of most songs, except, In Bloom, where the pattern is 16th notes on the yellow pad for the high-hat. I have no problems playing the 16th notes in this and other songs with my drum pads. Say it Ain't So has some 32nd notes on the snare (red) pad toward the end. I'm able to play those without issues as well. The timing seems to be very sensitive for 16th and 32nd note patterns. I'll see if I can reproduce the problem on practice after I get home from work.

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[deepbluevibes]

So, you're normaly playing 8th notes on the yellow for the high-hat sections of most songs, except, In Bloom, where the pattern is 16th notes on the yellow pad for the high-hat. I have no problems playing the 16th notes in this and other songs with my drum pads. Say it Ain't So has some 32nd notes on the snare (red) pad toward the end. I'm able to play those without issues as well. The timing seems to be very sensitive for 16th and 32nd note patterns. I'll see if I can reproduce the problem on practice after I get home from work.

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yeah, i'll have a video up in an hour or two.

[sporkBrigade]

So, post here if your drumpad pretty much dies on single-drum rolls.

And by this, i mean the rolls you see on Expert, where you're hitting around 8+ notes a second.

I can full combo songs except for these; I went into practice and tested it out, and trying to do ANY sort of quick roll on my set yields absolute unresponsiveness.

I'll have video later, but I mean, I hit it 10+ times in a row, and not a single hit lit up during the freestyle section (nor on the bottom of the bar).

I know it's not lag, because again, i'm full comboing the entire rest of the song, and I know it's not skill, because what i'm doing is child's play compared to real drums or drummania or any other rhythm game for that matter; so is anyone else having these problems?

I wouldn't discount lag. In GH2, the timing window was actually pretty decently sized. However, as soon as you had to strum a lot of notes at once, the timing window would shrink severely, and lag could become a bigger problem on these parts. So there were plenty of songs where I could FC anything, especially moving notes, but as soon as there was a string of notes, I couldn't hit it. Took forever to realize it was my Plasma and Sound system lagging. I switched over to my old tube tv which was lag free and had no problems.

Edit: And just as another piece of information for the discussion, my drum registers rolls perfectly.

[thrdeye]

I had trouble on the hi hat on quick rides until I calibrated.

[vtjustinb]

I think I mentioned this on scorehero too, but "rolls" are usually reserved colloquially for multiple-bounce techniques. What you're describing is usually just called single-strokes or singles (although the rudiment itself is a "single stroke roll").

I would also echo the need to really make sure you're calibrated well, because the timing window is so thin.


and I know it's not skill, because what i'm doing is child's play compared to real drums or drummania or any other rhythm game for that matter

I know you seem to think you're well above RB in terms of inherent difficulty, but I'd also suggest you check your timing on the 16th notes. It's really easy to rush or drag them, and then you'll end up with broken streaks. Because of the timing window you really do need to be short of metronomically exact on most everything you play, so if I had to guess anything I'd say you're just not playing in time on faster notes.

[deepbluevibes]

I think I mentioned this on scorehero too, but "rolls" are usually reserved colloquially for multiple-bounce techniques. What you're describing is usually just called single-strokes or singles (although the rudiment itself is a "single stroke roll").

I would also echo the need to really make sure you're calibrated well, because the timing window is so thin.

I know you seem to think you're well above RB in terms of inherent difficulty, but I'd also suggest you check your timing on the 16th notes. It's really easy to rush or drag them, and then you'll end up with broken streaks. Because of the timing window you really do need to be short of metronomically exact on most everything you play, so if I had to guess anything I'd say you're just not playing in time on faster notes.

And I understand that, but again not meaning to sound egotistical, but Drummania has a far, far tighter timing than anything Harmonix has ever put out, and i've been used to that level for years.

And again, I have no problem on single notes or double notes; those are fine and I never miss a single one, ever. The problem is rolls, which I always miss, unless they're extremely slow.

I made a video, it'll be up within the hour at max; also, about calibration, i'm on an old CRT monitor, so wouldn't it be default calibration? And if it was lagging, how am I hitting all the other notes perfectly?

EDIT: I just noticed on my drumset that the red and green drum pads themselves are very, very loose; they also make a squeaking sound when you hit them.

[deepbluevibes]

And...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWd7nTAK0Y

There's the video. Be sure to read the info on the side.

[Qweets]

good video, I have yet to use my drums to see if mine are the same way.. Hmm, I'm pretty noob at drums anyways so I wont be going as fast as you yet.

[vtjustinb]

Thanks for the video--honestly your drums look defective. I was able to play a lot of hertas and 32nd singles on the demo and it registered them all pretty well for a midi instrument. I definitely didn't run into anything that unresponsive (and these were decent 12" hertas--I'd say at a comparable velocity to what you're playing).

[deepbluevibes]

NOTE TO EVERYONE WITH BAD DRUMS; I HAVE A VERY EASY FIX

I thought the problem might be the same that it was on my Blueshark DDR pad, so I tried taping down the pads with medical tape.

Sure enough, it worked. What I did was roll the medical tape around the red drum twice (once vertical, once horizontal) and then put small pieces on the edges of the blue and green drums, and none on the yellow.

Try out your own experiments with it; if you put down too much on too many drums, the vibrations from them will make other drums go off, but if you mess around with it, you can get it just right and it works like a charm.

Songs I was 3 starring i'm 5 starring in my sleep now, as I can hit any and all rolls. :D

[McDeezy]

Dude I know I noticed this today what the hell.

[JarethLegend]

NOTE TO EVERYONE WITH BAD DRUMS; I HAVE A VERY EASY FIX

I thought the problem might be the same that it was on my Blueshark DDR pad, so I tried taping down the pads with medical tape.

Sure enough, it worked. What I did was roll the medical tape around the red drum twice (once vertical, once horizontal) and then put small pieces on the edges of the blue and green drums, and none on the yellow.

Try out your own experiments with it; if you put down too much on too many drums, the vibrations from them will make other drums go off, but if you mess around with it, you can get it just right and it works like a charm.

Songs I was 3 starring i'm 5 starring in my sleep now, as I can hit any and all rolls. :D


I'm having the same problem. I'm going to have to try this.

[deepbluevibes]

Well, I just thought of something; if I post pictures of me having the tape on the outside of the drums, even though i've already got prior video of them being broken out of the box, wouldn't that void my warranty?

[vtjustinb]

Not any more than sticking a GH2 sticker on your Xplorer, imo. It's not like you're opening the casing and rewiring.

[deepbluevibes]

I guess :/ I just realllly wanna send my drumset back after this, because i mean, i got video proof it was broke to begin with; anyone know legally if i'm screwed or not if i post the pictures etc. in terms of being able to return it?

the tape leaves no residue and comes off easy, and as i said the kit was broken beforehand, but yeah.

[raregamer]

I am having the same issue with my red pad sometimes it will pick up a hit sometimes it wont and it will never do a roll though. So I went through the online replacement thing and seemed quick and easy and seems it will get taken care of fast which seems awesome!

[parastroke7]

I've been having this same fckin problem. The earliest I noticed it was in the song "In Bloom".

There's a 16th note snare fill that about does me in because my red pad is a piece of sht.

Actually, I take that back. The whole drum kit is a piece of sht. The pedal sucks (nothing like a real bass drum pedal, NOTHING AT ALL.) The pads on the kit are unresponsive, and as with most successful things, IT HAS TO WORK.

Good job HMX. First, you gaay up the setlist and cover the songs that should be master tracks, then you crap out defective hardware like last night's Taco Bell.

On a scale from 1 to 10, my disappointment in this game is like a 50.

I've been drumming for seven years. I don't believe it's my technique that makes this game suck.

[airbakin]

Bump.

Can we get an update? Is the 2nd YouTube video up yet of how to fix this problem via medical tape?

I'm a real life drummer, and have been starting to notice similar issues with my green pad. I noticed after about an hour of drumming both my red and green pads were looser then the middle 2, arguably do to my natural playing style since I usually try to pop that snare while catching rim.

But once I got to Dani California on Expert (I've played the song several times on a real kit) it started not registering at the end with the green pad because I really started to go off on both the red and the green ala Chad Smith's reality of sweetness.

But yeah DeepBlueVibes, you definitely play those pads on the heavier end of the spectrum relative to what I do. And this isn't your fault, almost any novice / non-drummer is as well, and I've seen far worse players hit things way more aggressively / tense.

I definitely try and bang em out at relatively a quieter / finessed style as if I'm playing on my own knee or thigh- Part of that is due to me preserving the pads to last longer, another reason I guess is that I'm very familiar behind a real kit and how obnoxious / annoying they tend to be for everyone else in your building!!!


I'm definitely going to try and tape the end pads on the sides to see if they hold better. And no it shouldn't effect any of the warranty requisites since tape on the outside shouldn't influence how the hits are registering to the game / screen.

Let me know when the 2nd med tape video comes up......

[MJDoja]

its the fact that youre a drummer and not an expert at drum rhythm games.

if your pads are messed up thats one thing

if you dont know how to rebound your sticks on this surface, practice.

[deepbluevibes]

Bump.


I guess you didn't read my other posts... i've been playing real drums for 4+ years now, well before this game came out, so I have experience in real drums too, but;

This drumkit is nowhere near a real drumset in shape, size, placement of drums, etc. so I don't really treat it as one. :/ I'm sorry, but when you're playing something like Blackened, you REALLY can't hit it super light with finesse and expect to fly around the pad.

Maybe on slower, easier things, but yeah.

Videos of me playing with the tape on my drums will be up tonight; will have at least two or three vids up, one of them will be a 5 star of "And Justice For All" on Expert Drums :D


its the fact that youre a drummer and not an expert at drum rhythm games.

if your pads are messed up thats one thing

if you dont know how to rebound your sticks on this surface, practice.

I can get A's on all 90's+ (except four of them) on Drummania on Extreme.
I've SS'ed around 30 songs on the game on Extreme of varying difficulty, and can full combo pretty much everything under a 70 on Extreme, with one or two exceptions, and almost everything under 80 is a guarenteed S.

I played drum rhythm games a year+ before I even started playing on real drums, actually.

[Jman03]

That was great video. I'm actually kind of relieved to see someone else having the EXACT same problem as me. I mean exactly! The medical tape thing sounds intriguing. I'm anxious to see the video of that because I'm not exactly sure how it's supposed to work.
I'm wondering if I should even bother getting my drums replaced because I'm worried that this is a problem with the cheapo drum set design and my replacement set will just have the same issue. Do you guys get the impression that this problem (shown in the video) is uncommon and due to malfunctioning pads, or will most RB drum-kit have this problem. Is it just the way DeepBlueVibes and I play? I don't want to mess around with tape if I can just have EA send me a new drum-kit that will work great.
BTW, what song was that in the video with the nice long intro that you can mess around and experiment in?

[Frederf]

And...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWd7nTAK0Y

There's the video. Be sure to read the info on the side.

I'm curious if I'm having the same problem as this guy. I seem to miss a lot of notes that I feel I hit and it seems to be just when I'm using that exact level of force.

What is the model # of his drum controller?