Rock Band may finally have some competition...

[kissofarose]

Okay, here is the scoop:

I was reading up on the new guitar hero that is coming out late october, and I discovered something interesting. This game, which I was not even going to consider buying, has become number one on my "get as quickly as I can" list; primarily due to a couple of simple features. I will explain them below, and I hope that HMX takes some interest and maybe decides to add some of these "must" have expansions.

1) The "open note" on the bass guitar.
This very simple add on makes bass so much more realistic. As any bass player knows, one of the most commonly strummed notes on the guitar is the "open note" without holding down any frets. On the new guitar hero this note is treated similar to the foot pedal on the drum, as it is shown as a bar across the screen, though it is purple. This simple add-on is a MUST HAVE to anyone that plays bass, and I hope we see something similar on Rock Band soon.

2) "Make your own tracks!"
Okay, besides being the coolest thing ever!!! this is a very neat thing that can be added on. Maybe you are sick of waiting for that one song you love so much to come out, or you simply know that only you might find it fun enough to play it, this feature is for you. Since you can add your own favorite tracks, and then write notes to it, you can make it exactly how YOU want to play. I think we have all played a song or too and said, "hey, That should be a hammer-on!", well now it can be!

3) "Make your own tracks, secondary feature"
The only thing that could be better than making your own covers to the tracks of your favorite artists would be to make your own personal songs come to life in the game...NOW YOU CAN!!! With the secondary part of this feature, you can actually write your own song; changing pitches, beats, drum kits, and all, making that song you always wanted to, now everyone can be a song writer. The only thing that tops that is that you can even upload it to the server and share it with everyone, so that they can enjoy YOUR music too!

Now tell me HMX, and everyone else too, can we really afford not to have these features on RB...They are such an amazing enhancement to the game, I personally, as well as others, would be very disappointed not to see these hit RB soon.

[voodoo618]

There is ANOTHER Guitaer Hero coming out?? !?!?!?#!?# NO WAYZ!!!

EDIT: Puting sarcasm aside, the Create-A-Song is limited to 3min or 1200 notes. 1000 notes for drums.

[Eighty7Bapesta]

Open note, I'm not too thrilled about, but yes, GH:WT's music maker is quite interesting, but it's just not enough for me to change to GH.

[Day_0f_Reckoning]

i really don't see a point in a track maker thingy if you can't use vocal. and now i know what that purple line is i saw while watching a video of gh:wt but anyways although realistic i don't see a real need IMO.

[Vedicardi]

"EDIT: Puting sarcasm aside, the Create-A-Song is limited to 3min or 1200 notes. 1000 notes for drums."

This

Also if you make a cover and upload it, it can be deleted for copywrite infringement

although most songs are over 3 minutes haaaaaaaa hahaha

[Fuelie79]

Harmonix has stated that they are working on perfecting user created material, and as for the open note... ?

[UnemployedChief]

4) The track list
A ton of songs are copied right off the Rock Band 2 track list. This will make the game much more enjoyable as we will be able to play through songs that we've already been playing on RB2.

[kissofarose]

Open note, I'm not too thrilled about, but yes, GH:WT's music maker is quite interesting, but it's just not enough for me to change to GH.

I wouldnt have either, mainly because I like the sole shape of the RB notes better than the GH, but I write songs, and I am dying to put them into the game for my friends and me to play

[undertow]

EDIT: Puting sarcasm aside, the Create-A-Song is limited to 3min or 1200 notes. 1000 notes for drums.

I believe this was in reference to the Wii version. I don't think such a limitation has been addressed for the XBOX 360 or PS3. If I am wrong, please let me know.

Also the OP, Points #2 and #3 seem pretty identical, care to expound?

[kissofarose]

4) The track list
A ton of songs are copied right off the Rock Band 2 track list. This will make the game much more enjoyable as we will be able to play through songs that we've already been playing on RB2.

But they also have some really awesome new ones, and better ones by the same artist...Like "What ive Done", why did we get that?

[back_blows]

Isn't the Create-A-Song feature going to be policed?

[egg1111115]

when i saw the thread i thought you would be talking about the bass open note thing and the fact that there's a countdown after you unpause. THAT ALONE makes ghwt even more of a might purchase for me.

[voodoo618]

Undertow, you are wrong =P

[Vedicardi]

Isn't the Create-A-Song feature going to be policed?

Yup

any song can be removed

[UnemployedChief]

But they also have some really awesome new ones, and better ones by the same artist...Like "What ive Done", why did we get that?

Because old LP > new LP?

[NogNogga]

"EDIT: Puting sarcasm aside, the Create-A-Song is limited to 3min or 1200 notes. 1000 notes for drums."

This

Also if you make a cover and upload it, it can be deleted for copywrite infringement

although most songs are over 3 minutes haaaaaaaa hahaha

Oh my god! And to think I was remotely jealous of it!

Activision creating a music studio?

= poo poo

[kissofarose]

I believe this was in reference to the Wii version. I don't think such a limitation has been addressed for the XBOX 360 or PS3. If I am wrong, please let me know.

Also the OP, Points #2 and #3 seem pretty identical, care to expound?

I think your right...

and sure:

Point 2:
Make your own versions of existing songs, like your own version of "Americana" by the Offspring

Point 3:
I could place my own music into the game, made strait on the game, by adjusting notes fills... not premade tracks

[Vedicardi]

I think your right...

and sure:

Point 2:
Make your own versions of existing songs, like your own version of "Americana" by the Offspring

Point 3:
I could place my own music into the game, made strait on the game, by adjusting notes fills... not premade tracks

Read the thread, you can't make covers

[erickOnasis412]

Read the thread, you can't make covers

Not to mention, the lack of vocal tracks makes the create-a-song feature pretty much useless. GH:WT had an awesome idea, but definitely dropped the ball on it.

[Vedicardi]

Not to mention, the lack of vocal tracks makes the create-a-song feature pretty much useless. GH:WT had an awesome idea, but definitely dropped the ball on it.

Yeah, you have to sing a keyboard track.

[kissofarose]

Not to mention, the lack of vocal tracks makes the create-a-song feature pretty much useless. GH:WT had an awesome idea, but definitely dropped the ball on it.

Thats because only HMX has the dedication to make a feature full-proof, they will EVENTUALLY add something like this im sure, but it sucks to wait so long, im sure we will have some sort of vocal pitch reader.

[voodoo618]

This will be the "Make your own song THAT YOU CAN FAIL IN 15 SECS!!!" feature...

[Helloblue]

Just curious.. did Activision say whether or not any song you "create" and upload stays yours or is it now theirs?

[tidu]

Open note... It's not necessary, it's more of an added gimmick... Assigning open notes to actual colored notes that divide the fretboard by 5 is more accurate than strumming for one of four strings...

And remember how Halo 3 had a map editor? How long did you use that for? Twenty minutes? A huge part of these games is the fact that we're playing actual songs and having a good time. I can't rock out to Timmy's Song 02.

[Vedicardi]

Thats because only HMX has the dedication to make a feature full-proof, they will EVENTUALLY add something like this im sure, but it sucks to wait so long, im sure we will have some sort of vocal pitch reader.

So now we're down to butchered #3 and #1.

An extra note is our competition

100% gimmick


Just curious.. did Activision say whether or not any song you "create" and upload stays yours or is it now theirs?

It's theirs, just like youtube

[NogNogga]

Wow. This thread just tore ANY hope I had for this game to shreds!

Shreds I say!

And I love it!

[kissofarose]

So now we're down to butchered #3 and #1.

An extra note is our competition

100% gimmick

And 100% worth it to any bass player

[wrldindstries302]

I'd also like to point out that hammer-ons and star power paths are automatically placed in the songs; you can't change them.

[Vedicardi]

And 100% worth it to any bass player

Not me

It's one more position to have your fingers in, it's not going to literally make there be more notes in the song that wouldn't normally be charted

[funkl3]

Yeah don't bother posting anything semi positive about GH in here all anyone does is shoot it down. It's funny how many negative responses there are here even though there are a ton of people looking forward to this feature. Before I get get flamed by all the fanboys, I play RB2 way more than GH but when GHWT comes out I'm gonna have to split time.

[Oscar-Rio]

180 seconds of user created studioforce crap? No thanks.

[kissofarose]

Not me

It's one more position to have your fingers in, it's not going to literally make there be more notes in the song that wouldn't normally be charted

exactly, makes the bass more challenging, if we cant have solos, then we should have 6 notes

[Vedicardi]

Yeah don't bother posting anything semi positive about GH in here all anyone does is shoot it down. It's funny how many negative responses there are here even though there are a ton of people looking forward to this feature. Before I get get flamed by all the fanboys, I play RB2 way more than GH but when GHWT comes out I'm gonna have to split time.

What feature


exactly, makes the bass more challenging, if we cant have solos, then we should have 6 notes

It's not more challenging at all!

How would having a note where you don't hold ANY frets make it MORE difficult?!

Bass SOLOs wouldn't make it more difficult either, just give you bonus points.

[NogNogga]

exactly, makes the bass more challenging, if we cant have solos, then we should have 6 notes

I have to agree that it makes bass playing a little more diverse than playing a boring version of guitar (sorry, my opinion of video-bass) but I have a feeling it's gonna get really old, really fast.

[troywhalen]

There is ANOTHER Guitaer Hero coming out?? !?!?!?#!?# NO WAYZ!!!

EDIT: Puting sarcasm aside, the Create-A-Song is limited to 3min or 1200 notes. 1000 notes for drums.

Really?

1000 drum notes will be filled in 2 minutes if the song is fast-paced, which with idiots it will be

[NogNogga]

What feature



It's not more challenging at all!

How would having a note where you don't hold ANY frets make it MORE difficult?!

Bass SOLOs wouldn't make it more difficult either, just give you bonus points.

If anything, bass solos would make it easier (solo-buttons ftw), but yeah, there's no possible way an open note is gonna make things harder.

Again, maybe ever easier, considering all the green-note holding will now be no-note holding =p

[ExpertDrummer]

2) "Make your own tracks!"
Okay, besides being the coolest thing ever!!! this is a very neat thing that can be added on. Maybe you are sick of waiting for that one song you love so much to come out, or you simply know that only you might find it fun enough to play it, this feature is for you. Since you can add your own favorite tracks, and then write notes to it, you can make it exactly how YOU want to play. I think we have all played a song or too and said, "hey, That should be a hammer-on!", well now it can be!
First off,if you make songs that are copyrights,Activision will take them off due to illegal rights.So thats a HUGGE bummer.I'm guessing the only way to actually keep copyrighted songs is to NOT uploaded it onto the GH:WT server.So yeah,this is a big BLEH!

3) "Make your own tracks, secondary feature"
The only thing that could be better than making your own covers to the tracks of your favorite artists would be to make your own personal songs come to life in the game...NOW YOU CAN!!! With the secondary part of this feature, you can actually write your own song; changing pitches, beats, drum kits, and all, making that song you always wanted to, now everyone can be a song writer. The only thing that tops that is that you can even upload it to the server and share it with everyone, so that they can enjoy YOUR music too!
This will be a big complication to people and they will get angry.This new idea may sound cool, but is going to be a big pain in the you know where.You have to put all your time and effort to make these.Very time consuming that I probably wouldn't do much of it.You also have a limit of notes which will only be about 3 minutes long which isn't cool at all.If people will actually make decent songs,it may be good,never know, but then you have the people that press random buttons and colors because they are getting frustrated.

So,how does it sound now?;)

[benson111]

If i am not mistaken the created content for the 360 is limited to drums only because of "Hardware Issues" I will rent the game.
Also i has been said if i am not mistaken again that the make your own track feature will only be a "Down-loadable feature" and not be on-disk, making the consumer shell out more cashola for a seemingly useless function for the casual user, there "Largest fan-base" .

[Vedicardi]

If i am not mistaken the created content for the 360 is limited to drums only because of "Hardware Issues" I will rent the game.
Also i has been said if i am not mistaken again that the make your own track feature will only be a "Down-loadable feature" and not be on-disk, making the consumer shell out more cashola for a seemingly useless function for the casual user, there "Largest fan-base" .

I don't know where you saw any of this /:

[CXK]

I know this is a rock band website, but why is everyone hating on GH:WT? How can it hurt? Its not like harmonix will go under, I'm personally excited to have another game to play. Anyway, I dont know which will end up being better for me, but we'll see.

[Oscar-Rio]

Also i has been said if i am not mistaken again that the make your own track feature will only be a "Down-loadable feature" and not be on-disk, making the consumer shell out more cashola for a seemingly useless function for the casual user, there "Largest fan-base" .

as unlikely as this is, if it were true i wouldn't even rent GHWT.

[CXK]

I don't know where you saw any of this /:

Probably on a PS3 fanboy site. I dont think that will happen.

[Elmer's Glue]

I was excited about the create your own songs thing when I first heard about it.
Then I saw the demo of it.

I hope when HMX finally do it they will do it well.

[Vedicardi]

I know this is a rock band website, but why is everyone hating on GH:WT? How can it hurt? Its not like harmonix will go under, I'm personally excited to have another game to play. Anyway, I dont know which will end up being better for me, but we'll see.

We're being logical

[Day_0f_Reckoning]

Yeah don't bother posting anything semi positive about GH in here all anyone does is shoot it down. It's funny how many negative responses there are here even though there are a ton of people looking forward to this feature. Before I get get flamed by all the fanboys, I play RB2 way more than GH but when GHWT comes out I'm gonna have to split time.

QFT

although i personally hate guitar hero (long story). it's not a bad idea and at least they tryed for it but i think it's overhyped.. although alot of modern day games are overhyped.

[Goatbuster]

You can't place your own HO/POs. The game places them where the game believes they should go.

[NogNogga]

I was excited about the create your own songs thing when I first heard about it.
Then I saw the demo of it.

I hope when HMX finally do it they will do it well.

The thing about HMX is that they're not gonna release a half-baked piece of crap unto the world like Activision.

Besides Rock Band, I'm also an avid skateboarder, and when I'm not playing Rock Band 2, I'm playing EA Skate.

Activision can't even make a game that defined it's own genre right. (?)

[SputnikDX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLgA8xnLa4

Why song creator will be horrible.

Also, given Nerversofts horrible history of overcharting, how many times do you think that open note will be used to actually simulate an open note?

[NogNogga]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLgA8xnLa4

Why song creator is horrible.

Also, given Nerversofts horrible history of overcharting, how many times do you think that open note will be used to actually simulate an open note?

Damn, that guy playing is pretty good :p

[UnemployedChief]

The thing about HMX is that they're not gonna release a half-baked piece of crap unto the world like Activision.

Besides Rock Band, I'm also an avid skateboarder, and when I'm not playing Rock Band 2, I'm playing EA Skate.

Activision can't even make a game that defined it's own genre right. (?)

Activision failed after the 5th Tony Hawk (Underground). This is 6th Guitar Hero... Need I say more?

[Vedicardi]

Activision failed after the 5th Tony Hawk (Underground). This is 6th Guitar Hero... Need I say more?

But only the 4th they've worked on. The new DS game will be the 5th

[toMsons1987]

The open note is a stupid idea, lets try to make it more realistic on "plastic" instruments. What a dumb idea, and lets face it. The only thing what will ever be remotely close to being real is the drums, people are delusional to argue "realistic-ness" into a factor of likeablity. Go buy a real guitar idiot, like I have before you start shooting up arguments that have nothing to do with anything.

Also, this music maker will not be able to copy songs in RB2. GH:WT music maker will only be able to use 3% of all the music that RB has due to its time restrictions and 0% because its duration and vocal requirements. So we in RBand will never see some crappy versions of our songs, because they can't do it. Also, it's obvious they put a time limit and note limit to avoid artists not wanting to sign with them. If you can't see issues with anything this thread argues, you're just a brain dead baboon!


Random Fact: The world's biggest pyramid is not in Egypt, but in Mexico.

[Tjfraz1]

Yeah, you have to sing a keyboard track.

Blue...green...RED.RED.RED...yellow

[benson111]

This is where i saw it.

One of the last big surprises surrounding Guitar Hero World Tour has been revealed, with Neversoft’s Brian Bright telling Shacknews that the upcoming title will support MIDI sequencers. Essentially, that means that PC users can create music on their computers and export those songs directly into Guitar Hero World Tour.

"If you really want to compose on your PC, obviously you're going to use the samples in-game, but if you really want to compose on PC or turn your band's MIDI...into a GH Tunes song, you can do that," Bright told the site. "You can press play on the computer, and if you have it connected through MIDI, you can record into the music studio."

PlayStation 3 owners will be able to enjoy full MIDI functionality, with support for rhythm guitar, lead guitar, bass, keyboard and drum tracks. It’s a different story on the 360, however, which only supports drum tracks. Bright didn’t elaborate on why the 360 suffers from such a limitation.


For the record i own a 360 and a PS3 so i am in no way a fan-boi of any console but a fan-boi of video games in general.


http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200809/N08.0917.1039.51847.htm

[Princeps32]

The open notes are cool and will make bass more interesting

The song creator is not very appealing to me because no REAL singing and they police the songs to check for covers to prevent trademark infringement. There's just not much appeal to me to play other people's random stuff. I might tinker with it myself.

Also we need to stop having this thread every two days

[Helloblue]

I would hate to put up a piece of original music just to have Activision make a buck off of it down the road. I'll pass.

[funkl3]

I know this is a rock band website, but why is everyone hating on GH:WT? How can it hurt? Its not like harmonix will go under, I'm personally excited to have another game to play. Anyway, I dont know which will end up being better for me, but we'll see.

My thoughts EXACTLY

[DanB91]

Oh for sure it will be real competition. Because contrary to popular opinion on these forums people honestly don't care if something is "overcharted" (though NS has gotten better).

And GH has the name going for it as well. Plus GH will be released on 4 platforms worldwide simultaneously. Without a doubt it will outsell RB2. In fact these spaced out releases of RB2 will probably hurt their sales alot.

[Vedicardi]

This is where i saw it.

One of the last big surprises surrounding Guitar Hero World Tour has been revealed, with Neversoft’s Brian Bright telling Shacknews that the upcoming title will support MIDI sequencers. Essentially, that means that PC users can create music on their computers and export those songs directly into Guitar Hero World Tour.

"If you really want to compose on your PC, obviously you're going to use the samples in-game, but if you really want to compose on PC or turn your band's MIDI...into a GH Tunes song, you can do that," Bright told the site. "You can press play on the computer, and if you have it connected through MIDI, you can record into the music studio."

PlayStation 3 owners will be able to enjoy full MIDI functionality, with support for rhythm guitar, lead guitar, bass, keyboard and drum tracks. It’s a different story on the 360, however, which only supports drum tracks. Bright didn’t elaborate on why the 360 suffers from such a limitation.


For the record i own a 360 and a PS3 so i am in no way a fan-boi of any console but a fan-boi of video games in general.


http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200809/N08.0917.1039.51847.htm

That's confusing phrasing. I think it means only for PC midis. The 360 must not be able to read the midis properly or something. You should still be able to make guitar in the in-game editor.

[BrutalBrian]

But they also have some really awesome new ones, and better ones by the same artist...Like "What ive Done", why did we get that?

Or at least some different ones. I am more excited by the fact GH4 at east tried to have some different songs.

And there is another reason:
5) Activision has officially stated that RB1 peripherals will work with GH4. I'm glad they finally decided to stop being b**ches about what game's instruments you're using when you play a game.

Otherwise I probably wouldn't be buying it at all.

[SputnikDX]

Or at least some different ones. I am more excited by the fact GH4 at east tried to have some different songs.

And there is another reason:
5) Activision has officially stated that RB1 peripherals will work with GH4. I'm glad they finally decided to stop being b**ches about what game's instruments you're using when you play a game.

Otherwise I probably wouldn't be buying it at all.

Oh, that's cool. That way I can play GH4 with my RB1 instruments, and when they break I can get the GH4 instruments!

[Onslaught_fei]

I was really really really looking forward to the music creator until I learned that:

1- 1200 note limit
2- 3 minutes maximum length
3- No vocals
4- You must accept an agreement stating that the song is your own original creation and is susceptible to copyright infringement.

[benson111]

That's confusing phrasing. I think it means only for PC midis. The 360 must not be able to read the midis properly or something. You should still be able to make guitar in the in-game editor.

Thats what i got out of it too, but it is WAY easier to construct songs on PC, from what i have seen of the creator it looks cumbersom at best.

Hardware issues aside, i think it will be a fantastic mess. People are gonna creat the " Hardest stuff Evar" just because they can. and the really good stuff ( If there ever is any ) will get overlooked.

I will cast judgment when i get my hands on it, until then i can only go by what i have seen so far. And so far it isnt looking too good.

[vedis]

Just curious.. did Activision say whether or not any song you "create" and upload stays yours or is it now theirs?

going off anything ive ever seen anywhere, and not to bash on activition, but chances are, ANYTHING you upload becomes their's.
there will be a HUGE disclaimer about it in the instruction manual that alot of people will probably miss.

when the game comes out, if i end up getting it ill enlighten people more as to this.

and i hate to say it, if/when hmx gets their creator out, this may also be the case. however, when hmx does it, itl probly be a creator in itself, with no game attached(besides the ability to play it AS a game) and in that case it may not be signing your rights over.

the MAIN problem is however, if you put out your stuff over this creator, ANYONE can steal it if you havent already laid legal claim to the sound if they hear it, like it, and use it before you.

[Grinnz]

I'd also like to point out that hammer-ons and star power paths are automatically placed in the songs; you can't change them.

Wow. Seriously? Hammerons are auto-placed?

What the ****?

[HPCrowley]

Fanboys kill me. Guitar Hero may well prove to be the inferior game. And you may have perfectly legitimate arguments for why you believe that. And it's fine that you do and that you will not purchase it. But when you start implying that everyone else should share your viewpoint, or that they're not "logical" if they don't, you're going too far. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If some people find Guitar Hero to be more to their liking, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It doesn't hurt you in any way. In fact it probably helps you and Rock Band. Because competition is what keeps these kinds of things progressing and innovating. As soon as there is a king with no competition left, they will become complacent and cease to create anything worthwhile. And then we all lose...........(stepping down from my soapbox).

[Ultrace]

"EDIT: Puting sarcasm aside, the Create-A-Song is limited to 3min or 1200 notes. 1000 notes for drums."
Really? Wow, that, combined with the lack of vocals and the restrictions on any copyrighted materials, really dooms this feature to a novelty at best. I actually like some sort of restriction on notes, since it prevents every song from becoming a Dragonforce-fest (although 1200 can be a lot), but the time limit is practically draconian.

[Lone Bulldogs]

The create a track sounds like it would be WAY too time consuming for me and the open not is a good idea but not necessary or worth buying a game for just for that option.

I think I'll rent it but I doubt I will buy it.

[tom526]

I agree that the open note is a great idea.

I have ZERO interest in the create a track.

[funkl3]

The create a track sounds like it would be WAY too time consuming for me and the open not is a good idea but not necessary or worth buying a game for just for that option.

I think I'll rent it but I doubt I will buy it.

I don't ever plan on creating any tracks as that will be way to stressful and annoying. But there will be people out there who will take the time to make some good stuff. None of this Drangonforce skittle charts, but some actual fun stuff. That's why I'm looking forward to it. I may mess with he song creator a few times just to try it out but I don't plan on making any music.

[snwns26]

Hammer-ons and star power are placed automatically and there's a note limit and length limit on songs. And no vocals. And Neversoft will be checking if we're recreating songs and removing them. Too many restrictions. You're better off making a song in Acid Pro or another program and charting it with Feedback.

[defenestrater]

The open bass note sounds interesting, but since I only drum and sing it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other.

The song creator sounds like the best thing ever until you bother to do any reading on it. Its a good idea, but the details are deal breakers.

I'll probably give ghwt a rental, and if the drumset gets amazing reviews I may even consider buying the game, but nothing I'm seeing at the moment has me that enticed.

[A New Pyro Fool]

Create-a-track is overrated.

Better setlist? Right... Because we all know that...

Battery < Trapped Under Ice
One Step Closer < What I've Done
Drain You < About a Girl (Unplugged)
She Sells Sanctuary < Love Removal Machine
5 Police Songs < Demolition Man
Ace of Spades < Overkill
Panic Attack < Pull me Under
Give it All < Re-Education (Through Labor)
4 Oasis Songs < Some Might Say
2 Lynyrd Skynyrd Songs < Sweet Home Alabama
Runnin' Wild < Too Much, Too Young, Too Fast
Fortunate Son < Up Around the Bend

:rolleyes:

[blueruckus]

Harmonix's PS2 title "Amplitude" offered a 'Create-a-song' feature similar to what GH:WT will be offering so this is by no means anything new. Add in notes for each track of the song: bass, turntable, guitar, etc.

When I was big on Amplitude, I maybe touched the Song Creator a few times, but it paled in comparison to the game itself. It was fun for a few minutes here and there, but it got old quickly and you wanted to just go back and play the main game.

I really don't see GH:WT's song creator as being anything huge because when it comes down to it, the main draw of the game is the actual licensed library.

EDIT: Obviously during the time of Amplitude there wasn't an Activision equivalent so please don't attribute my views to being an sort of fanboy.

[quinaking]

Create-a-track is overrated.

Better setlist? Right... Because we all know that...

Battery < Trapped Under Ice
One Step Closer < What I've Done
Drain You < About a Girl (Unplugged)
She Sells Sanctuary < Love Removal Machine
5 Police Songs < Demolition Man
Ace of Spades < Overkill
Panic Attack < Pull me Under
Give it All < Re-Education (Through Labor)
4 Oasis Songs < Some Might Say
2 Lynyrd Skynyrd Songs < Sweet Home Alabama
Runnin' Wild < Too Much, Too Young, Too Fast
Fortunate Son < Up Around the Bend

:rolleyes:
Let's not forget
Nothing > Testify, 20 RHCP songs, Alive, Aqualung, and Come out and Play.
On a more serious matter, I would love to remake my best friend's brother's band Bitter's songs. They weren't signed but they amazing and I always thought it would be amazing to play their songs on Rock Band. I really wish we had that feature but I will rent GH4 just for that.

[ninjacodermonkey]

The "no fail" mode on RB2 is going to be sweet... no more failing out because your company sucks at the guitar.... oops. GH:WT wont be including that one... or jukebox mode. Now that RB2 has confirmed dlc for wii, it PWNS GH:WT (IMHO)

[funkl3]

Create-a-track is overrated.

Better setlist? Right... Because we all know that...

Battery < Trapped Under Ice
One Step Closer < What I've Done
Drain You < About a Girl (Unplugged)
She Sells Sanctuary < Love Removal Machine
5 Police Songs < Demolition Man
Ace of Spades < Overkill
Panic Attack < Pull me Under
Give it All < Re-Education (Through Labor)
4 Oasis Songs < Some Might Say
2 Lynyrd Skynyrd Songs < Sweet Home Alabama
Runnin' Wild < Too Much, Too Young, Too Fast
Fortunate Son < Up Around the Bend

:rolleyes:

I agree with everything you said although...

I hate to ***** about Tool not being in RB (ok i promise this is the last time)

but

3 Tool songs > No Tool at all :(

[l-o-t]

Let's not forget
Nothing > Testify, 20 RHCP songs, Alive, Aqualung, and Come out and Play.
On a more serious matter, I would love to remake my best friend's brother's band Bitter's songs. They weren't signed but they amazing and I always thought it would be amazing to play their songs on Rock Band. I really wish we had that feature but I will rent GH4 just for that.

But... Jimi Hendrix! I'll be buying both for sure.

also, I don't think activision can take down your cover if you decide not to upload it to the community can they? so I could be jamming out to my cover of like... Black Dog and just not share it. You can have key board mimic the vocals and just get your singer to sing real words...

[CloudWolf]

If i am not mistaken the created content for the 360 is limited to drums only because of "Hardware Issues"
The music studio isn't limited to only drums, but if you want to make your songs into a MIDI file, then you are limited to drums on the 360

[Nyhusern]

not to mention

Van Halen > no one at all :(

[silentragedy]

But they also have some really awesome new ones, and better ones by the same artist...Like "What ive Done", why did we get that?

LOL DO YOU REALLY THANK THATS A BETTER SONG THAN ONE STEP CLOSER?

x

[wrldindstries302]

LOL DO YOU REALLY THANK THATS A BETTER SONG THAN ONE STEP CLOSER?

x

I completely agree, Hybrid Theory was their best album, and anyone complaining about us not getting new Linkin park has to be under 15.

[silentragedy]

I completely agree, Hybrid Theory was their best album, and anyone complaining about us not getting new Linkin park has to be under 15.


i was starting to lose hope in humanity until you came in lol

[Nyhusern]

haha Mr Durst suck b**** if you ask me =p

[psymatiq]

love how ppl go like "look at these awsome features.... u can make your own song ..and..and..and" but no have tried it yet and the game isent realesed....


imo it all sounds like fail ,but ill let time show me rather than using my time machine and predict **** that no one knows.

[toymachineSH]

Open note on bass makes playing bass no longer a punishment.

"I played bass last time- let me play guitar lol"

Wait till you see Hey Man Nice Shot and Parabola on Bass ;)

The Music Creator- ok sure it has flaws

1) you can't make your own SP path
2) notes are limited
3) you can't manually place Hammer Ons (can't do this in Feedback either)
4) it's going to take a lot of effort to make something good

If you put in the time and effort to make a song within these restraints who knows how enjoyable the outcome of this mode can be.

Also the GH Studio aspect where you and your 4 friends just jam out on plastic instruments will provide at least 15 minutes of entertainment! XD

Also you know why vocals aren't being recorded :P

Wait I'm the only one that wanted to track a GG Allin song? >_>

[Flawless]

http://kotaku.com/5056081/gh-world-tour-wont-let-you-share-real-songs

So we have:


No real songs.
Three minute length.
1200 note limit.
You can't add SP/OD paths.
No HO/PO
No vocals.


Solid addition there.

[brobot]

What. When. Who. Why. How Many

[Dartagnan64]

Anybody ever play Tony Hawk games? How much time did you spend on create a park. Sure it was fun for a bit, but got old quickly.
The song creator will be much the same.

THe real reason GH:WT offers competition for RB2 is that it has a different setlist with some artists not featured on RB, it has better name recognition, it has red octane making instruments (which may or may not be superior to RB2 instruments - time will tell), and it comes out simultaneously on all platforms. I don't think the open note and song creator are the magical additions that throw it over the top.

RB2 I think will remain popular with the 20-40 year old set and GH:WT will attract the 15-30 group. I probably will get GHWT and the guitar (to replace my broken Les Paul) and I'll enjoy some aspects of it. But RB2 will be my staple rhythm game just because of the huge song library.

[vandalizemenow00]

I get very suspicious when people with 33 posts make a thread like this. GH fanboy maybe? Personally the song creation thing is gonna be lame and open notes is a minor feature. That being said I will prolly purchase WT just for the 10-15 songs they have that I want to play.

[Oscar-Rio]

I completely agree, Hybrid Theory was their best album, and anyone complaining about us not getting new Linkin park has to be under 15.

i concur. Hybrid Theory was a good album when it came out. And the subsequent release of mediocre albums by Linkin Park makes Hybrid Theory that much better.

[funkmasterr]

It's funny that people constantly mention how many songs Guitar Hero: World Tour is copying from Rock Band, yet I don't think I've seen anyone mention that there are a ton of songs in the two Rock Band Games that were in Guitar Hero first.

Who's the fanboy, again?

[ciabb64]

It's funny that people constantly mention how many songs Guitar Hero: World Tour is copying from Rock Band, yet I don't think I've seen anyone mention that there are a ton of songs in the two Rock Band Games that were in Guitar Hero first.

Who's the fanboy, again?

GH3 may have been out before Rock band - but Rock band announced its setlist way before GH3 was out (as they kept the setlist quiet till release).

So actually RB didnt copy GH3, and RB2 had its setlist out well before GH:WT's

[Oscar-Rio]

It's funny that people constantly mention how many songs Guitar Hero: World Tour is copying from Rock Band, yet I don't think I've seen anyone mention that there are a ton of songs in the two Rock Band Games that were in Guitar Hero first.

Who's the fanboy, again?

many of these songs were ones done by HMX in GH1/GH2/GH80's. Yes there are a couple from GH3, but the majority are the ones that HMX did a few years ago.

Who's the fanboy, again?

[funkmasterr]

GH3 may have been out before Rock band - but Rock band announced its setlist way before GH3 was out (as they kept the setlist quiet till release).

So actually RB didnt copy GH3, and RB2 had its setlist out well before GH:WT's

1- I don't know about that. And just because Guitar Hero's wasn't announced doesn't mean it wasn't set in stone before Rock Band was announced.

2- There are plenty of songs in Rock Band that were in Guitar Hero 1&2, so your point is kinda moot anyhow.

[funkmasterr]

many of these songs were ones done by HMX in GH1/GH2/GH80's. Yes there are a couple from GH3, but the majority are the ones that HMX did a few years ago.

Who's the fanboy, again?

That doesn't invalidate the point.

[ciabb64]

1- I don't know about that. And just because Guitar Hero's wasn't announced doesn't mean it wasn't set in stone before Rock Band was announced.

2- There are plenty of songs in Rock Band that were in Guitar Hero 1&2, so your point is kinda moot anyhow.

1. If it wasnt announced then how can you even accuse RB of stealing songs - since they didnt know. While GH may not have stolen songs from RB, as they were announeced, theres a chance they may have. i didnt say they did i was just pointing out your flaw in your RB stole songs from GH arguments

2. GH1 and GH2 were games made by Harmonix, I dont think you can really criticise a company from stealing from themselves... Not too mention they were mostly covers but they are now masters that we get.

[Flawless]

Arguing over the re-use of any given song in a game is the biggest waste of time going, and I cannot believe you guys are actually spending time over it.

Debate the feature or how Activision rapes the Hero franchise, don't waste your time on the music industry and licensing.

:rolleyes:

[siee]

But they also have some really awesome new ones, and better ones by the same artist...Like "What ive Done", why did we get that?

Are you saying new Linkin Park is better than old Linkin Park?

DONT MAKE ME LAUGH.

[logicalnoise]

TOOL is the only reason to play GHWT. the track editor is a joke, the open bass note is a sub feature of a sub feature and has no bearing on the actual game(BTW tehe bass challenges in RB2 are brillant). With all that said GHWT will be a likely rental for me.

[naeandpete]

I think the music creator is going to be a real let down to a lot of people. It's been so over hyped that when people finally get to using it, they're going to be like "WTF, mate! This isn't what I thought it would be!" Sure, some people are going to love it and create some songs but for the average player, it's going to be too time consuming and boring.

[Captain Zepp 07]

That doesn't invalidate the point.


1. If it wasnt announced then how can you even accuse RB of stealing songs - since they didnt know. While GH may not have stolen songs from RB, as they were announeced, theres a chance they may have. i didnt say they did i was just pointing out your flaw in your RB stole songs from GH arguments

2. GH1 and GH2 were games made by Harmonix, I dont think you can really criticise a company from stealing from themselves... Not too mention they were mostly covers but they are now masters that we get.

Ciabb pretty much summarized Oscars points, look into it dude.

[cfh1973]

But they also have some really awesome new ones, and better ones by the same artist...Like "What ive Done", why did we get that?

Overall, from what I have seen, GH:WT's line-up sucks. There are a few songs on there I would like to play but mostly its a bunch of crap. RB2's line-up is way better.

[funkmasterr]

I think the music creator is going to be a real let down to a lot of people. It's been so over hyped that when people finally get to using it, they're going to be like "WTF, mate! This isn't what I thought it would be!" Sure, some people are going to love it and create some songs but for the average player, it's going to be too time consuming and boring.

If I ever say "WFT, mate!" I will immediately go to the kitchen, get a butter knife, and start trying to saw my leg off with it.

That aside, actually using the track creator might be cumbersome for some people, but there will be plenty of people making quality tracks, and for the average user to simply click on and download this content is going to be very simple, and will be a breath of fresh air and welcome change to these games..

[Captain Zepp 07]

If I ever say "WFT, mate!" I will immediately go to the kitchen, get a butter knife, and start trying to saw my leg off with it.

That aside, actually using the track creator might be cumbersome for some people, but there will be plenty of people making quality tracks, and for the average user to simply click on and download this content is going to be very simple, and will be a breath of fresh air and welcome change to these games..

I'm afraid a vast majority of songs will be covers, or spins, on already made famous songs. Curious how many Stairways will be removed on day one. Also, is GHtunes even free? Wasn't there mention of subscriptions to get these tunes? Rather get DLC thats sure to be good, with Vocals, then spend it on "Who Let The Dogs Out" on crack

[toymachineSH]

TOOL is the only reason to play GHWT.


Definitely one of them- not going to lie.



The open bass note is a sub feature of a sub feature and has no bearing on the actual game.

Umm yeah I think you are going to be surprised. I've played the game and my brain literally broke when the open notes started popping up. Think back to GH1's hammer-ons. Almost like that- it's awesome.

"the track editor is gonna be too time consuming and boring"

So don't use it. Problem solved. It obviously wasn't meant for people that don't want to put the time and effort into trying to accomplish something worthy of sharing with the community.

[ClassicCarraway]

This thread made me laugh. First, the original post actually had me thinking the OP was some Neversoft programmer trying to advertise, especially with the whole "Hey guys, check out this inside never-before-seen scoop" phrasing for news that was about 4 -6months old. What next, the shocking announcement that GH:WT will feature DRUMS WITH 6 INPUTS and OZZY!!!!!

Second, a big "LOL" to the posts acting like the open note for bass is going to be soooo cool and totally change the experience and difficulty of bass. Umm, unless they are going to overchart the songs, its not really going to add much to the experience or challenge. All its doing it taking a note that would have been previously assigned a key, and removing the key requirement. Sure its technically an extra note over guitar, but I don't see how that is going to make for a challenge.

And finally, the limitations for the song creator are just mind boggling (and laughable). Note limits, time limits, no vocals, and the likelyhood that covers will be removed from their share servers doesn't sound like a feature I'm that interested in. I'm too lazy to create music on my own, but the idea of the dedicated gamers being able to share their covers of songs sounded like it could be appealing (the mod community would have eaten this up and put out some good material eventually), but these limitations pretty much killed that idea.

I'm sure GH:WT will do fine once released. Will I get it? Likely not. I'm 100% satisfied with Rock Band, and see no need to own two music games that do largely the same things. Sure, there are some good tracks on GH:WT, but I'm not the type to plunk down 60+ bucks to play a handful of songs, not when there are several other games that are completely different from RB that I want (Gears2, Fallout 3, Fable 2, Left4Dead).

[logicalnoise]

Definitely one of them- not going to lie.



Umm yeah I think you are going to be surprised. I've played the game and my brain literally broke when the open notes started popping up. Think back to GH1's hammer-ons. Almost like that- it's awesome.

"the track editor is gonna be too time consuming and boring"

So don't use it. Problem solved. It obviously wasn't meant for people that don't want to put the time and effort into trying to accomplish something worthy of sharing with the community.

no I assume not holding any frets will be a new experience but it's no different than learning pulloffs only your pulling all your fingers off. if it was just an extra note on it's own lane I doubbt it would even be a big challenge to work out in the game. My main point was that it isn't a feature I'd sell the game on.

[Crowemium]

Bass is the least interesting of the four instruments, hence the ability to get 6x multiplier in an attempt to to spice things up. I think the open note would help to improve the uniqueness.

[Niledeltadisco]

An open note for the bass is ok, but I don't think it'll be game-changing.

Honestly.. I think it'd be more interesting to have an "open" note on the guitar that could be used when a song calls for muted strings to be played. It just seems like a better fit to me.. especially since most people don't lift their fingers off the fret buttons - it automatically feels more like lightly resting your fingers on the strings than playing them open.

[insertname155]

And 100% worth it to any bass player

As a bassist, I disagree completely, who cares.

[tormz]

You can make all the covers of your favorite songs as you want, you just can't upload them or share them. At least that's my understanding of how the song editor will work.

[Vedicardi]

You can make all the covers of your favorite songs as you want, you just can't upload them or share them. At least that's my understanding of how the song editor will work.

So yeah, only people who actually understand how to write music out can make covers.

[madfalcon]

Guitar hero: world tour is nothing but 100% garbage, with a horrible setlist to add to it.


That being said.. RB's competition is Rock Revolution and Wii Music.

[Reaper5876]

The only thing is when those AC/DC and Led Zeppelin covers start emerging there is going to be serious litigation.

[NogNogga]

So yeah, only people who actually understand how to write music out can make covers.

Just my thoughts... How fun can it be to play a song on a video game that you charted?

[logicalnoise]

Just my thoughts... How fun can it be to play a song on a video game that you charted?
if there wasn't a 3 minute time limit I'd say it could be decent but as someone who's written ten albums a 3 minute time limit and a limited midi editor do not equal fun.

[PCTraitor]

The open note thing is stupid. Bass lines are simple enough, how are you going to feel when you aren't even hitting a button and just strumming for a minute or so?

On the bright side you can finally drink while your playing without having to use a beer helmet.

[PCTraitor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLgA8xnLa4

Why song creator will be horrible.

Also, given Nerversofts horrible history of overcharting, how many times do you think that open note will be used to actually simulate an open note?

The video sums up what I foresee as 90% of the songs that will created by the music creator.

[tormz]

So yeah, only people who actually understand how to write music out can make covers.

Exactly, and like a few people have mentioned, the majority of user created content on the servers will be either extremely overcharted garbage, or extremely undercharted garbage

[NogNogga]

The video sums up what I foresee as 90% of the songs that will created by the music creator.

Sorry pal, 1200 note limit =/

LULZ

[DeuceMRP]

Open note, I'm not too thrilled about, but yes, GH:WT's music maker is quite interesting, but it's just not enough for me to change to GH.

nobody said you have to change..

I cant understand why people wouldn't get both, the instruments from RB2 will work on GH:WT and vice-versa. Except.. the GH: Aerosmith demo on the PS3 didnt recognize my RB guitar at all , when i pressed green it strummed, and no other buttons worked.

[ManicMinerUK]

come on I know some of you guys just want to hammer GHWT no matter what out of some bizarre sense of brand loyalty, but give credit where its due, the open note on Bass is a good idea. It's realistic without adding too much complexity, it helps to differentiate bass guitar from lead guitar and its just a good idea.

[kitlerc]

The only reasosn the Music creator is being made is so Neversoft has a reason for not doing alot of DLC

[skysaw]

As any bass player knows, one of the most commonly strummed notes on the guitar is the "open note" without holding down any frets.
Sorry, but I have to take issue with this claim. Does the OP actually play bass?

A typical four-string bass has a range of 2.5-3 octaves, or 30-36 playable notes, exactly four of which are open strings. Why he believes these are the most common bass notes is a mystery to me. A good bass player hardly ever plays open strings except the low E, which has only one way to sound. The reason is that without a finger on a fret, the player has less control over the tone. But even without that, you'd still have to actually need an E, A, D, or G as your bass note to make the open string work. That sure doesn't help much if you're in the key of F, for example.

I suppose I should also question why a bass player is "strumming" in the first place. "Strum" usually means a chord is being played, which is rare indeed on a bass.

Not dissing GH, as I have little experience with it. I'm sure the new game will be great, but let's not get carried away with a feature that has little to do with adding realism to the bass.

[BaneOfIcarus]

Competition? I think that's what they had in mind. :rolleyes:

[Bass182]

I think you're drastically overestimating the functionality of the song creator, OP. You can't download "covers", so you'd have to make them yourself. And it can't be longer than 3 minutes. So there goes 99.9% of good songs.

[kiggidykev]

I was honestly excited to try out the song creator until they dropped the bomb with all the limitations.

I'm still kinda looking forward to it, but only lukewarm now.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

2) "Make your own tracks!"
Okay, besides being the coolest thing ever!!! this is a very neat thing that can be added on. Maybe you are sick of waiting for that one song you love so much to come out, or you simply know that only you might find it fun enough to play it, this feature is for you. Since you can add your own favorite tracks, and then write notes to it, you can make it exactly how YOU want to play. I think we have all played a song or too and said, "hey, That should be a hammer-on!", well now it can be!

This feature is very limited.

[toymachineSH]

The open note thing is stupid. Bass lines are simple enough.

Justin Chancellor wants a word with you.

[Mex]

It just never ends :)

I'm going to give credit to the GH:WT team for trying to add their own touches to the full band rhythm game. Really, where could they go from what HMX has done? They aren't going to change the core gameplay too much, that would alienate alot of customers that don't want to re-learn how these games work.

So they came up with some "innovations". Add cymbals to the drums, song creator and open bass notes.

Drums with cymbals is a cool idea and just about the only thing that piqued my interest. It remains to be seen how these cymbals will hold up. We all know how frustrating it is to have peripherals malfunction or break.

Song creator? Great IDEA. But realistically speaking it's a "Make your own 3 minute instrumental version of your favourite song but you can't place OD paths and hammer-ons OR a seriously hard chart that musically will appeal to nobody". And that's only if the person making the track is any good at making music and has the patience to work with the tool. What will that be? Maybe 1% of the community? Just a guess mind you. Here is the worst part. The most popular tracks would probably be "covers" and those can't be shared.

Open bass notes are cool but I'm not buying a game for open bass notes. Maybe there are some bass guitar fanatics out there that would buy the game just for that but I'm sure they're in the minority.

At the end of the day GH:WT's success will have alot more to do with brand recognition and a handful of "exclusive" bands on the setlist.

I fail to see how my not really being impressed with these features makes me a fanboy though, like others have been accused. What's so hard to get? Not everyone is nerdgasming over these features.

Most requests for RB have to do with DLC. Keep pumping it out HMX and you'll be just fine.

[Phil Manutz]

it seems like most to all of you are downing the music creator for reasons little other than "I don't want to use it." that is fine if you don't want to, but anyone who doesn't want to bother making music still reaps the benefit of being able to play songs made using it.

also, it has been stated (and I don't know why this hasn't come up yet) that the time and note limits on your songs expand as your music becomes more popular with the GHtunes community. so if you take the time to make decent music and people like it, you gain the ability to go further in your task.

[benson111]

Not any more they dont.


http://soundcheck.walmart.com/acdc/#/game

[Mex]

Not any more they dont.


http://soundcheck.walmart.com/acdc/#/game

Ha ha.

This goes back to my point about people requesting DLC. The core of these games is the music available.

Not everyone is an AC/DC fan, but for me personally this eclipses the Eagles, Hendrix, the Doors, etc combined.

But then that's just me.

[benson111]

Ha ha.

This goes back to my point about people requesting DLC. The core of these games is the music available.

Not everyone is an AC/DC fan, but for me personally this eclipses the Eagles, Hendrix, the Doors, etc combined.

But then that's just me.

Agreed, gameplay will always be game play. Music is what matters.
And Harmonix has the nads in this area to not only broaden peoples music tastes, but cater, when they can to the request a song feature, AC/DC being one of the most requested bands.

[Mex]

Agreed, gameplay will always be game play. Music is what matters.
And Harmonix has the nads in this area to not only broaden peoples music tastes, but cater, when they can to the request a song feature, AC/DC being one of the most requested bands.

Lovin it.

I just wonder how long it'll take before someone accuses me of being an RB fanboy because I prefer AC/DC over the GH exclusive bands :rolleyes:

[Cpt. Overkill]

ROCK BAND FANBOY!

Also, the only way Ill buy of a stand alone game is if we can transfer the tracks. Im not going to buy a game for just one band. Its the same as Aerosmith.

[LollipopChoob]

Playing any song on World Tour would only make me wish it was on Rock Band more. I love Tool, I've wanted to play Hotel California for years, but I'm not going to drop $60 for a few songs. And call me shallow, but from the videos I've seen of GH:WT, it looks like ****. I thought GH3 had bad art because my copy was for the ps2, but I was wrong.

[flop404]

That aside, actually using the track creator might be cumbersome for some people, but there will be plenty of people making quality tracks, and for the average user to simply click on and download this content is going to be very simple, and will be a breath of fresh air and welcome change to these games..
Games with user-created content that is actually enjoyable by the "average user" are very, very, very rare.

Considering the limitations on the track creators, it's a certainty that it won't even come close to compete with official DLC -even considering only the DLC announced for GHWT.

"Death Magnetic", or the Hendrix DLC vs a random, three-minutes random song with crappy charting and ugly midi sounds ?

[m00p]

You're kind of late on your news.

[flop404]

Second, a big "LOL" to the posts acting like the open note for bass is going to be soooo cool and totally change the experience and difficulty of bass. Umm, unless they are going to overchart the songs, its not really going to add much to the experience or challenge. All its doing it taking a note that would have been previously assigned a key, and removing the key requirement. Sure its technically an extra note over guitar, but I don't see how that is going to make for a challenge.

Actually, this is a feature I requested, for both guitar and bass.

Not because it adds to the challenge, but because, being a (lame) "real" guitarist, I've always found that some charts were unnatural with the open string charted to the Green button. It forces some left hand positions that are completely unintuitive.

But I totally agree on the fact that this new note actually makes the game a lot easier, especially on metal songs.

Blackened, for instance (but also the guitar bridge on Run To The Hills) would benefit hugely from such a feature - at the expense of being really easier

And finally, the limitations for the song creator are just mind boggling (and laughable). Note limits, time limits, no vocals, and the likelyhood that covers will be removed from their share servers doesn't sound like a feature I'm that interested in. I'm too lazy to create music on my own, but the idea of the dedicated gamers being able to share their covers of songs sounded like it could be appealing (the mod community would have eaten this up and put out some good material eventually), but these limitations pretty much killed that idea.

I'm sure GH:WT will do fine once released. Will I get it? Likely not. I'm 100% satisfied with Rock Band, and see no need to own two music games that do largely the same things. Sure, there are some good tracks on GH:WT, but I'm not the type to plunk down 60+ bucks to play a handful of songs, not when there are several other games that are completely different from RB that I want (Gears2, Fallout 3, Fable 2, Left4Dead).[/QUOTE]