The Post-Hardcore Thread

[Gowienczyk]

What is Post-Hardcore?

To understand the term post-hardcore, it really only takes a bit of digging, digging in a hole that is already dug, but in this land of holes which hole is the right one with the treasure? Gee, that sounds like a sexual innuendo or something doesn't it? Anyway, post-hardcore is pretty common of a word isn't it? You hear it on forums thrown left and right. But what is it, exactly?

Let's look on last.fm for what the users throw under the tag radio for it, then.


At the Drive-In
Alexisonfire
Bear vs. Shark
The Blood Brothers
The Fall of Troy
Fugazi
Glassjaw
Mewithoutyou
Protest the Hero

The clear and obvious thing is; people tag music too quickly on this website! But other than that if you take a listen to what people call post-hardcore you will notice Protest the Hero does not sound like Glassjaw or Fugazi or At the Drive-In. This is probably because the meaning behind the word was lost somewhere between the late 90s and the current timeline.

I blame kids and journalists.

But post-hardcore's true meaning is probably more along the lines of 'hardcore punk that pushes the boundaries and experiments, progresses.' or it was when emotive hardcore bands and experimental punk acts like the Minutemen, Flipper, Rites of Spring and others were coming out in the middle of the 1980s.

By the 1990s emotive hardcore really took off and spread itself furthur into being post-hardcore in itself. Take a listen to a Funeral Diner or Majority Rule record sometime and you'll get what I mean. Very dynamic. But the 90s were probably the most vital movement for post-hardcore in itself; with bands like Refused and ATDI coming out and taking the concept of post-hardcore before them and pushing it furthur. Electronic sampling and experimentation on a punk record is absurd, right? Tell that to Refused when they wrote The Shape of Punk to Come.

...and after that is where it started to get tricky. You know how amazing bands can inspire some awful ones who have no clue at all in terms of genre progression?

Yeah, it happened.

How else can you explain bands like Escape the Fate and Bring Me the Horizon and their label of post-hardcore? Yeah, a big slap in the face to post-hardcore musicians. However, some interesting ideas came out at the same time. The Fall of Troy and others certainty showed they had an idea what they were doing. They are the minority, however.

Movement VS Genre

Then there is the thought of is post-hardcore a genre or a movement? Some say the former, some say the latter, some say both. Personally, I say it's the latter; as a genre has a root sound to link bands together; while a movement has a concept & idea to link bands together, not particularly sound.

It's more of a movement now. Maybe in the eighties it was a genre, but that time has long since passed in my opinion.

Post-Hardcore encompasses many styles, here are some of the subgenres that apply in certain cases:

Experimental Punk (Nomeansno, etc.)
Emotive Hardcore (Funeral Diner, etc.)
Hard Rock (Helmet, etc.)
Noise Rock (The Jesus Lizard, etc.)

Musical Acts

Some bands include:

Alexisonfire
Ampere
At the Drive-In
Bear vs. Shark
Big Black
Black Eyes
The Blood Brothers
Circle Takes The Square
City of Caterpillar
Daïtro
The Dillinger Escape Plan
Drive Like Jehu
Embrace
The Fall of Troy
Fugazi
Funeral Diner
Glassjaw
Hot Cross
Jawbox
Jawbreaker
The Jesus Lizard
La Quiete
Light the Fuse and Run
Majority Rule
Mewithoutyou
Moss Icon
Nation of Ulysses
Native Nod
Orchid
Protest the Hero
Raein
Refused
Saetia
Shellac
Unwound

( please suggest additions if you want them added )

Song of the Week

Refused - Rather Be Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhjCzK2mNlc)
Orchid - I am Nietzche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edpot4xOqsI)
Showbread - The Dissonance of Being Discontent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxzBvpMkL0)

[afterstasis]

does it say anything about my character if i love almost every band under the first three headings, but despise all but three under the fourth one? :)

[Gowienczyk]

does it say anything about my character if i love almost every band under the first three headings, but despise all but three under the fourth one? :)

Depends on the bands you dislike. :mad:

[Rev0lver]

Why would you classify The Dillinger Escape Plan or Protest The Hero as post-hardcore? DEP is a mathcore band, while PTH is more of a prog/math/thrashy metal band(unless you are judging by some of the vocals).

[afterstasis]

Depends on the bands you dislike. :mad:

i dig refused, early DEP, and early hot water music...
i can also deal with a handful of the blood brothers songs, but was really turned off by seeing them live.

[Gowienczyk]

Why would you classify The Dillinger Escape Plan or Protest The Hero as post-hardcore? DEP is a mathcore band, while PTH is more of a prog/math/thrashy metal band(unless you are judging by some of the vocals).

Mathcore can be easily called a fake genre as a lot of mathcore fits post-hardcore perfectly.

[Gowienczyk]

i dig refused, early DEP, and early hot water music...
i can also deal with a handful of the blood brothers songs, but was really turned off by seeing them live.

and I'm sure I listed some you are indifferent on due to never hearing.

[afterstasis]

and I'm sure I listed some you are indifferent on due to never hearing.



yeah, i've never heard sleeping people, the 30 years war, or mara'akate.

i will be looking them up, though.

[Gowienczyk]

yeah, i've never heard sleeping people, the 30 years war, or mara'akate.

i will be looking them up, though.

I am quite uncertain you've heard Light the Fuse and Run, though!

[afterstasis]

I am quite uncertain you've heard Light the Fuse and Run, though!



actually, a band i was in played with them in virgina. :)

i wasn't into them personally, but i haven't heard them since that night (i wanna say it was early 2001).

[Gowienczyk]

actually, a band i was in played with them in virgina. :)

i wasn't into them personally, but i haven't heard them since that night (i wanna say it was early 2001).

Pick up the 2002 release, All Your Base Are Belong to Us.

[Rev0lver]

Mathcore can be easily called a fake genre as a lot of mathcore fits post-hardcore perfectly.


I would disagree with you there, there are many notable differences between the two. I don't see how you could say an Alexisonfire and DEP song are similar at all.

[Gowienczyk]

I would disagree with you there, there are many notable differences between the two. I don't see how you could say an Alexisonfire and DEP song are similar at all.

Post-Hardcore is a large, vague and very experimental genre.

Alexisonfire also doesn't sound like Big Black, Funeral Diner or Refused.

[Gowienczyk]

lol, is this for all those people on the ultimate setlist forum demanding post hardcore but then saying only stuff from this decade?

>>

Post-Hardcore is one of my favorite genres.

[Gowienczyk]

Also, if you need the desire. You can say mathcore is a subgenre of post-hardcore.

[Rev0lver]

That's more of what I meant. It's a specialized form of hardcore and doesn't sound like most of the bands of the main genre.

[Gowienczyk]

That's more of what I meant. It's a specialized form of hardcore and doesn't sound like most of the bands of the main genre.

If I didn't detest the term math rock and mathcore, I might of listed mathcore as a subgenre.

[cdestey]

off topic, but does anybody know why chris pennie left the dillenger escape plan for coheed and cambria? i would think DEM would offer more experimental sytle of playing for drummer.

According to him, he was given more creative freedom in C&C.


The first category listed is basically the greatest collection of bands ever listed anywhere.

The only omission I see is Quicksand.

[Gowienczyk]

According to him, he was given more creative freedom in C&C.


The first category listed is basically the greatest collection of bands ever listed anywhere.

The only omission I see is Quicksand.

I've seen them mentioned a lot but never listened, personally.

[cdestey]

a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDVF2DE2e8k

they owe quite a bit to Helmet and their NYHC roots

[Gowienczyk]

a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDVF2DE2e8k

they owe quite a bit to Helmet and their NYHC roots

Well, they give me a more hard rock vibe, personally.

[cdestey]

Not surprising, seeing as how bands like the Deftones lifted directly from them.

[Gowienczyk]

Not surprising, seeing as how bands like the Deftones lifted directly from them.

Ah, I see.

[tofubot]

post-hardcore...

are we there already?

pft, all i listen to is proto-post-industri-trip-goth-avant-prog-core.

ps: quicksand is awesome. granted, i'd have to say the entire sacramento mid-late 90's alt metal scene was just a rip on them. far, deftones, will haven, etc.

[bassHero]

pft, all i listen to is proto-post-industri-trip-goth-avant-prog-core.


Hahaha :P...

[Parodygm]

Zen Arcade for Rock Band? ;)

[afterstasis]

Zen Arcade for Rock Band? ;)

you hold your breath, i'll hold mine. :)

[kwami42]

I just downloaded Glassjaw's "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence," and I'm really diggin' it! Maybe I'll have to look into some more post-hardcore material.

[tofubot]

I just downloaded Glassjaw's "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence," and I'm really diggin' it! Maybe I'll have to look into some more post-hardcore material.

funny, i was listening to that on my way to work today.

dude, that album is such an amazing creation. it's the perfect "welcome to the world" album in my opinion. i guess it's cos i first heard it when i was 19, which is about the age the band was when they made it.

just everything about it sonically, with the kind of riffs they were laying down, not to mention all the odd influences from post-punk and ECHC. then darell's vox are so powerful and heart wrenching.

now question. would converge be considered post-hardcore? they're definitely strong in advancement thing that post-punk way. they don't seem to fall into the metalcore lump very easily even though people like to toss them there.

[Gowienczyk]

funny, i was listening to that on my way to work today.

dude, that album is such an amazing creation. it's the perfect "welcome to the world" album in my opinion. i guess it's cos i first heard it when i was 19, which is about the age the band was when they made it.

just everything about it sonically, with the kind of riffs they were laying down, not to mention all the odd influences from post-punk and ECHC. then darell's vox are so powerful and heart wrenching.

now question. would converge be considered post-hardcore? they're definitely strong in advancement thing that post-punk way. they don't seem to fall into the metalcore lump very easily even though people like to toss them there.

Converge is like Botch and Living Sacrifice. The First-Wave Metalcore/Metalcore Pioneers set.

[tofubot]

living sacrafice i'll give you.

but botch and converge sound NOTHING like metalcore.

not like poison the well, or as i lay dying. botch i could see being a progenitor, but not being a part. converge i just don't think fits the bill at all. especially when listening to unloved and weeded out through to jane doe.

oh, and even though this is for metalcore... if we're gonna mention living sacrifice, we have to mention how awesome zao is. christian metalcore that's heavier than most metal bands tied up with satan. yeah, it's that cool.

[Gowienczyk]

living sacrafice i'll give you.

but botch and converge sound NOTHING like metalcore.

not like poison the well, or as i lay dying. botch i could see being a progenitor, but not being a part. converge i just don't think fits the bill at all. especially when listening to unloved and weeded out through to jane doe.

oh, and even though this is for metalcore... if we're gonna mention living sacrifice, we have to mention how awesome zao is. christian metalcore that's heavier than most metal bands tied up with satan. yeah, it's that cool.


FIRST WAVE METALCORE =/= SECOND WAVE METALCORE

Seriously, first wave of heavy metal sounded nothing like the second, really. Bands just built upon the former.

Converge and Botch pioneered metalcore just as much as Living Sacrifice. In fact, I believe that Norma Jean's latest record took many elements from Converge. Converge is far too unique, but not regarding them as a pioneer is like saying Black Sabbath didn't influence metal. Just silly. I wouldn't place them in post-hardcore either way. I really don't know where I'd place them in all honesty.

Also, metalcore is a little more broad then perceived.

Frontside, Silent Civilian, Norma Jean, Zao, Unearth, HORSE the Band and others are distinct metalcore bands but they don't sound like clones. Haha. Either way, I like Converge and Botch (and Living Sacrifice) but am not a "fan" if you can say.

[tofubot]

ah, HORSE the band. like the locust slowed down from 255 BPM to 162 BPM

[Gowienczyk]

ah, HORSE the band. like the locust slowed down from 255 BPM to 162 BPM

Hahahaha. I haven't listened to them in years, personally. (Nor did I really care about them!) :cool:

[tofubot]

HORSE the band is really more a live band to me. i find their recordings lackluster. but they explode live. the locust, they were my gateway drug into better stuff in the spazzcore vein. even though, their self titled album and flight of the wounded locust are pure win.

[afterstasis]

so the past several days have been pretty heavy on the post-hardcore, screamo, and emo for me.

it started with me digging up a spindle of dvd-r's full of the stuff, which led to me hopping on soulseek to get more, particularly focusing on all the stuff i've missed out on over the past 7 years or so.

i'm gonna throw out a few more names that should be looked up and enjoyed...

forstella ford
a day in black and white
suis la lune
off minor
life at these speeds

[bierfaht]

POST-HARDCORE IS NOT...

-Pop-Rock
-Metalcore
-"Alternative"
...



Noisy Post-Hardcore
Big Black
Drive Like Jehu
Faraquet
Fugazi
Hüsker Dü
Jawbox
The Jesus Lizard
The Nation of Ulysses
Shellac
Unwound

Emotive Post-Hardcore
Embrace
Hoover
Lifetime
Moss Icon
Rites of Spring
Sleepytime Trio
Still Life

Chaotic Post-Hardcore
City of Caterpillar
Jeromes Dream
Orchid
pg99
Saetia
Usurp Synapse
...Who Calls So Loud

General Post-Hardcore
At the Drive-In
The Blood Brothers
Dillinger Escape Plan
The Fall of Troy
Hot Water Music (old stuff)
Jawbreaker
Refused





Feel free to discuss the list. It is good to keep it accurate. Haha. Also, I'd really like to avoid this scenester pseudo post-hardcore music. It takes no soul or heart to make that music. :mad:

love this thread. love the bands i left. Gowie... for 19, you have done your homework. 2 thumbs up!

[afterstasis]

love this thread. love the bands i left. Gowie... for 19, you have done your homework. 2 thumbs up!

bierfaht, what's the deal with you being absent lately?
you aren't letting that devil-game rock band 2 take up all your internet-time, are you?! :mad:

[bierfaht]

bierfaht, what's the deal with you being absent lately?
you aren't letting that devil-game rock band 2 take up all your internet-time, are you?! :mad:

absent?
i'm on a posting binge.
i slept with my arm under my pillow and my left wrist is sore as hell.
so i've put 2 blog posts, and been messing around the message board and watching the phillies/dodgers kinda at the same time.

plus work plus grad school plus my baby puppies

but yeah...rb2 has definitely cut into my internet time..hehe

[Gowienczyk]

love this thread. love the bands i left. Gowie... for 19, you have done your homework. 2 thumbs up!

People have their hobbies. ;)

[tofubot]

People have their hobbies. ;)

being a music afficiendo certainly is better than murdering people and burying them in shallow graves for kicks. <.<

[Gowienczyk]

Bumping for relevance.

[bierfaht]

i'd say we add Cave-In to this post-hardcore party!

[VoD]

Are The Get Up Kids considred post-hardcore?

[afterstasis]

Are The Get Up Kids considred post-hardcore?

nah, just pop rock with punk/indie/emo influence.

[Gowienczyk]

nah, just pop rock with punk/indie/emo influence.

Even then the emo influence doesn't really need to be noted unless your ranting about the post-emo movement.

[afterstasis]

Even then the emo influence doesn't really need to be noted unless your ranting about the post-emo movement.

yeah, i should have specified 2nd wave emo.

[Lolicat]

I just downloaded an album by Japanese screamo band Gauge Means Nothing. I shall tell you what I think soon.

[afterstasis]

I just downloaded an album by Japanese screamo band Gauge Means Nothing. I shall tell you what I think soon.

they're one of my favorite modern screamo bands. from what tiny bit i've learned of your tastes i think you're likely to dig 'em!

[Lolicat]

they're one of my favorite modern screamo bands. from what tiny bit i've learned of your tastes i think you're likely to dig 'em!

Yea, I was told they're similiar in execution to Midori, so I'll probably enjoy them.

[Gowienczyk]

I'm still looking for Funeral Diner clones, haven't found any lol. :(

[Lolicat]

Well Gauge Means Nothing were ok from the first track on their album. I'm not wild about screamo itself though, so I'm postponing the rest for later. It was well composed, although the intro was overlong.

[kwami42]

Thread necro!

Anyone ever checked out The Sound of Animals Fighting? Post-hardcore with some progressive influence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7dl1EJ5XmE

[Gowienczyk]

Thread necro!

Anyone ever checked out The Sound of Animals Fighting? Post-hardcore with some progressive influence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7dl1EJ5XmE

I wouldn't call them post-hardcore; in fact I just refer to them as a modern progressive rock band (with world influence of all things!).

[Gowienczyk]

I'm going to bump for relevance.

[My name is Fez]

Not the biggest fan of post-hardcore myself, or at least modern post-hardcore. I'm not too familiar with the earlier waves you mentioned, so I'll probably give some of them a listen later after I give the umpteen power metal bands you suggested a listen XD

[Gowienczyk]

Changed the first post's format. Added song/album of the week.

[Gowienczyk]

Now Listening: The Jesus Lizard - Skull of a German

Back on a noise rock kick. I'll probably listen to Unwound and Shellac after this Lizard record finishes. But yeah, this thread DOES exist guys.

[Gowienczyk]

Updated S/AOTW.

[afterstasis]

i'm jamming the new helms alee album and it's killer...

overall, they're probably more sludge than post-hardcore, but fans of either genre should check these guys out.

[Gowienczyk]

i'm jamming the new helms alee album and it's killer...

overall, they're probably more sludge than post-hardcore, but fans of either genre should check these guys out.

So, they are like Fudge Tunnel; considered both but genre purists would consider them sludge moreso?

[afterstasis]

So, they are like Fudge Tunnel; considered both but genre purists would consider them sludge moreso?

actually, the new album's on hydra head records and i believe they're playing some shows with minus the bear, so i'm not sure what they'll end up being pegged by the general population.

they sound about half-and-half to me... it's good stuff is all i know. :)

[Gowienczyk]

This is not a update.

[kwami42]

This is not a update.

Just a shameless bump?

This just in: Post-Hardcore is still awesome. More at 11.

[Gowienczyk]

Obviously! I did update the song/album of the week though.

[Gowienczyk]

I should update this again soon!

[Lameboy19]

GLASSJAW!

I need more post-hardcore

[tridentgum0]

While I do find it hard to support a thread featuring Protest the Hero in the OP, I do need to hear more post-hardcore.

[neckermanncj]

needs more Refused

[afterstasis]

did anyone else go nuts over the narrows album that released this year?
if you haven't heard it all i'm gonna say is that it's members of botch, unbroken, and these arms are snakes ruling balls.

[LegendofRock3021]

Another great thread that I seem to have overlooked, this thread should be a great way to help in digging deeper into Post-Hardcore. :)

[Gowienczyk]

I'll be rewriting the OP tonight, btw.

[LegendofRock3021]

Excellent, can't wait.

[Gowienczyk]

Updated.

[dabears116]

Post-hardcore bands, bolded favorites:

Black Eyes (noise rock)
Circle Takes The Square (screamo)
Drive Like Jehu
Embrace
Jawbox
Jawbreaker
June of 44 (post-rockish)
Moss Icon
Nation of Ulysses
Native Nod
Rodan (post-rockish)
Saetia (screamo)
Unwound (post-rockish)

...love this, and it's a genre I need to expand more on, it's not as easy to find massive amount of post-hardcore (as opposed to things like death metal)

[Lameboy19]

did anyone else go nuts over the narrows album that released this year?
if you haven't heard it all i'm gonna say is that it's members of botch, unbroken, and these arms are snakes ruling balls.

:eek:

album name please?

[afterstasis]

:eek:

album name please?

narrows - new distances

[neckermanncj]

i've only "heard" 5 bands in the OP and "heard of" almost all the rest, i might divulge into this genre in the future.

REFUSED ARE ****ING DEAD

[LegendofRock3021]

Great additions to the OP, I'll be checking out the bands that I don't know really soon. :)

[neckermanncj]

i read the whole story in the OP, well done, i enjoyed it

[afterstasis]

here's some other good post-hardcore/screamo albums that got slept on this year...

towers - full circle
celeste - misanthrope(s)
the third memory - self titled
kidcrash - snacks
the great disappointment - self titled

[TimIsAPortal]

here's some other good post-hardcore/screamo albums that got slept on this year...

towers - full circle
celeste - misanthrope(s)
the third memory - self titled
kidcrash - snacks
the great disappointment - self titledwhich one would you recommend getting first?

[Nuff_Said]

^^ not really up to date on my hardcore for this year...i've checked out towers and great disappointment, but not the others.

what about;

An Albatross
Discharge
Krawallbrueder

i enjoy these bands.

[afterstasis]

which one would you recommend getting first?

that towers album is probably my favorite of the bunch.

[Nuff_Said]

and one win choice is pretty fun at times as well.

[TimIsAPortal]

that towers album is probably my favorite of the bunch.thanks, i'll check it out

last screamo stuff i listened to was iwsmoffy and that was a few months back

[afterstasis]

i dig an albatross. i only have one album though, so i should look into more.
i also dig discharge, but they're more of a d-beat/hardcore band.


thanks, i'll check it out

last screamo stuff i listened to was iwsmoffy and that was a few months back

right on. IWSMOFFY is one of my favorite newer screamo bands...

[Nuff_Said]

i dig an albatross. i only have one album though, so i should look into more.
i also dig discharge, but they're more of a d-beat/hardcore band.


pfft:rolleyes: whatever. Why are you such a genre nazi :rolleyes: yeesh.

[TimIsAPortal]

i dig an albatross. i only have one album though, so i should look into more.
i also dig discharge, but they're more of a d-beat/hardcore band.



right on. IWSMOFFY is one of my favorite newer screamo bands...Yeah, same here.

Daïtro as well.

[afterstasis]

pfft:rolleyes: whatever. Why are you such a genre nazi :rolleyes: yeesh.

yo dude, i respect your opinion and right to express yourself but you're totally not respecting mine.

i NEED to tell everyone they've no clue what kinda punk they're listening to!


Yeah, same here.

Daïtro as well.

daitro's pretty good. they put out an album this year as well, but i haven't paid it much attention to be honest.

[Nuff_Said]

yo dude, i respect your opinion and right to express yourself but you're totally not respecting mine.

i NEED to tell everyone they've no clue what kinda punk they're listening to!

The fact that i'm listening to it just isn't good enough for you is it? Are you ever satisfied?

[MrFruitLord]

The OP needs some Made Out of Babies.

[dabears116]

The OP needs some Made Out of Babies.That band was hardly post-hardcore, unless post-hardcore is a far far more liberal term than I'm aware of. Also, what's with all the scenester bands in the OP?

[TimIsAPortal]

yo dude, i respect your opinion and right to express yourself but you're totally not respecting mine.

i NEED to tell everyone they've no clue what kinda punk they're listening to!



daitro's pretty good. they put out an album this year as well, but i haven't paid it much attention to be honest.to be honest that's really all i remember listening to. i'd have to check my desktop to see all what i've got on there. i have a pretty bad memory haha

[Gowienczyk]

That band was hardly post-hardcore, unless post-hardcore is a far far more liberal term than I'm aware of. Also, what's with all the scenester bands in the OP?


Then there is the thought of is post-hardcore a genre or a movement? Some say the former, some say the latter, some say both. Personally, I say it's the latter; as a genre has a root sound to link bands together; while a movement has a concept & idea to link bands together, not particularly sound.

It's more of a movement now.

Also, some scenester bands actually fit the movement while others do not.

[TimIsAPortal]

Also, some scenester bands actually fit the movement while others do not.Which is why a good portion of post-hardcore sucks.

[Gowienczyk]

Updated, since well I forgot about this thread.

SOTW: Orchid - I am Nietzche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edpot4xOqsI)

[afterstasis]

people who don't like orchid should be "removed".

[daftuprising]

I am in the process of organizing my iTunes library by using Last.FM tags/Band's myspaces, and have 4 post-hardcore bands.
Alexisonfire
Before Their eyes
Chiodos
Dance Gavin Dance

Before Their Eyes is one of my favorite bands, and Dance Gavin Dance is listened to occasionally. The other 2 or just meh for me.

[Oscar-Rio]

Updated, since well I forgot about this thread.

SOTW: Orchid - I am Nietzche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edpot4xOqsI)

::courteous bow followed by a head nod::

[Godfixated]

I must say I was pretty surprised to DEP, Portest the hero, and mewihtoutyou considered as post-hardcore. I was going to add bands like Emery, Project 86, and Secret & Whisper because they are usually considered post-hardcore.

[Gowienczyk]

Project 86 never came off as one to me, they do have a lot of Helmet influence but I just see them as a hard rock band and not in the movement at all. As for S&W, I haven't heard them and Emery is sketchy with me. Heck, Mewithoutyou is sketchy with me too.

[Godfixated]

Yeah, I would have to agree with you. I have always viewed Emery as more screamo. Project 86, I would agree too. However, sites like wikipedia among others would put Project and emery in the scene.

[Gowienczyk]

I have always viewed Emery as more screamo.

No. No. No. Emery sounds nothing like Funeral Diner, Orchid or Majority Rule.

[Gowienczyk]

Shameless Bump for discussion relevance.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Oh look, a post-hardcore thread!

[Gowienczyk]

Yeah, it doesn't get much traffic though!

[citizenCERO]

Probably seeing The Fall of Troy's farewell show in Seattle next week... but most of you guys hate them so why am I posting this? :p

[Gowienczyk]

I quite enjoy them! Though I heard their latest was awful.

[citizenCERO]

Oh, I thought I was the only one who liked them.

I've heard they're crap live, but I love the s/t and Doppelganger.

Envy On The Coast is opening. <3

[Gowienczyk]

Phantom on the Horizon is great.

[citizenCERO]

I only have the s/t, Doppelganger and Manipulator, so yeah.

[Gowienczyk]

Well, you know what to get next, then. I think it's their best by far.

[citizenCERO]

That's the one in five parts, right?
I'm pretty sure that came in the torrent but I deleted it from my itunes awhile back :p

...yeah, I have it, I'll give it a listen after Trespassers William.

[Lameboy19]

That's the one in five parts, right?
I'm pretty sure that came in the torrent but I deleted it from my itunes awhile back :p

...yeah, I have it, I'll give it a listen after Trespassers William.

DOO IT

Phantom on The Horizon is the best thing they've done (or you could go for a more raw sounding Ghostship Demos)

[citizenCERO]

I'll give Phantom on the Horizon another listen tomorrow, but their s/t still stands as my favorite.

[RHCPfan96]

I'm not a huge Post-Hardcore fan, but I do love Alexisonfire.

[Gowienczyk]

I almost completely forgot about this thread! Neat, another fodder for discussion in the recent peak in HOR. I think the last post-hardcore record I listened to were ones I've had for years; Shot (The Jesus Lizard), Fugazi's stuff, Gray Matter's stuff, Into Another's debut (if it can be counted) and Quicksand's stuff.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Hot Snakes is what I've been digging most recently.

[Lameboy19]

I've been listening to a lot of Hot Cross lately

I'll bring up the debate: emo influenced post-hardcore or noise rock influenced post-hardcore?

which do you prefer?

while I like the noisy post-hardcore for the most part, it doesn't exactly resonate like the emo/hardcore influenced post-hardcore bands do with me

[Gowienczyk]

Thats a very good question, I'd say. Because I adore both, but I guess I would look for the former before I went looking for the latter, not because I have more than the other; but because The Jesus Lizard, Janitor Joe, Big Black, Rapeman, Shellac, Scratch Acid, Qui, etc. are all enough for me at the moment and I'm always look for more variations of Funeral Diner, Raein, Orchid, Envy, etc.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Well I think I prefer Gray Matter over Lizard or Shellac so I must like Emo-influenced Post-Hardcore more.

[LegendofRock3021]

I enjoy both types, but probably enjoy the Noise Rock side of things more. Lately I've been listening to Boilermaker and Minutemen, particularly enjoyed Minutemen's 2nd album quite a bit.

[Gowienczyk]

Boilermaker

Yesssssss

[neckermanncj]

while I like the noisy post-hardcore for the most part, it doesn't exactly resonate like the emo/hardcore influenced post-hardcore bands do with me

I prefer the emo influenced post-hardcore too

[Ultimatum]

Noise influenced Post-Hardcore is better, though I love both.

[FatFreeDoritos]

I prefer the emo-influenced post-hardcore to that of the noise-influenced hardcore. But, they both make me joyful on the inside.

[hiimSMAP]

I prefer the noise influenced post-hardcore myself as I love noise rock and post-hardcore, both of which are probably two of my favorite genres.