What does Guitar Hero have that Rock Band doesn't?

[Runa216]

Posted this on the GH forums too.

I've been an avid supporter of both Guitar Hero World Tour and Rock Band 2, and until recently, I was looking forward to having both games in my Collection, and I'd been really stoked about a lot of the Guitar Hero World Tour features...

However, lots has come up as of late:

First of all, The song editor went from being an amazing idea that I wanted more than anything else to something that would be monitored and limited beyond belief:

3 minute/1200 note limit – Okay, this is pathetic. I like long, epic, intricate songs, The song length should only be as limited as my hard drive. For the GH tunes service, in which you send online, I get it, but for my own songs, I should be allowed to do what I want!

No Copyright songs – Okay, this means not only can I not do my favourite Metallica or Sum 41 songs, but I also can’t have fun with videogame music! I wanted to do Flash Man’s Megaman 2 theme dammit! Not only that, but you’re essentially forced to make your own songs, which is great for the small population that is into that or can actually do that, but for someone like me, it just makes the whole feature useless. This means that the service will be destroyed by the ignorant general population.

Second of all, the setlist looks less and less appealing by the day. It started off as “Awesome, Ozzy and Van Halen! Oh man, I love Dream Theater!” but as they released more and more songs, I got less interested in it. Not only are like 20 of the songs in some form or another already on Rock Band, but 75% of the songs are mediocre or bad. Only a few gems really stick out to me. 10 songs is not worth paying 60 dollars for.

Third of All, There has never been any sort of consistency with DLC. Yeah, you got something like 50 or 60 songs total for DLC, which aint bad, but Rock Band, in less time, has 247 available tracks for download, not to mention There’s 16 new tracks coming out this week, 9 next week, ect, ect.

Lastly, Where’s the backwards compatibility? Rock Band 2 has not only 84 on disc songs, but ALL the DLC from the first game gets carried over to Rock Band 2, as well as 55/58 of the Rock Band 1 on disc tracks, as well as 20 free songs that are yet unavailable. That’s 159 songs, and like I said, all your DLC. Does Guitar Hero have that? No, it does not, and one Metallica Album does not count.

What I’m trying to get at is: is there really anything worth getting Guitar Hero World Tour for? If nothing else, the very Meat and Potatoes of a Rhythm game is the setlist, and rock Band’s list is not only bigger, but in every way better. Sure, it lacks Van Halen and Ozzy, but I can handle that loss to get Rush, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Who, Judas Priest, Boston, ACDC (did I mention Rock Band is getting an 18 Track ACDC Expansion?) and the Cars, amongst about a dozen other artists that I really like that you won't find on Guitar Hero.

There are a few things I like with Guitar Hero, like the touchstrip on the guitar and the open note bass notes, but it’s got nothing on what Rock Band has. I honestly want to know how people could still Support Guitar Hero, when it’s clear that Rock Band has better features, a more robust and fun setlist, and more high class acts in there. Quality wise, World tour has nothing on Rock Band.

I’m just curious to know what the Rock Band and Guitar Hero communities has to say on this.

[back_blows]

Brian Bright:)

[Aragha]

GH has tougher charts that are more fun!

Rock Band is for sissies!

[afterstasis]

i suppose it has a more intricate character-creator, though based on what i've seen the inferior graphics kinda stick a catheter right into that advantage.

[Keebler]

Guitar Hero has a superior character creator, an instrument customizer, name recognition, more reliable peripherals, and some big name exclusive bands.

[BaneOfIcarus]

GH has tougher charts that are more fun!

Rock Band is for sissies!

I sense sarcasm? :)

[Colt_Steele]

It has a reliable brand name that the public hasn't yet sickened of. It also has Overkill.

There are others I could list but those are the only two that stand out, the former because it will sell ridiculously well based on that, and the latter because it's my favorite Motorhead song, and will likely necessitate my purchase of the game once it is available for 30 bucks or so.

[Ferocious Q]

guitar hero has a lame-ass BRIAN BRIGHT!

[Lurker37]

Brand recognition is the biggest thing they have going for them.

[Aragha]

I sense sarcasm? :)

SARCASM?! P-SHAW!

Maybe a bit...

[toymachineSH]

drum charts where cymbal and high hat are represented visually
vocals where you can sing in the style of the artist you are performing as
a song creator mode that will provide some fun with friends (jam mode)
if you're a fan of Tool and crazy drums you might enjoy well.. Tool
Mars Volta and At The Drive-In
A better steely dan song
Michael Jackson - Beat It
stats for each song

http://wiki.scorehero.com/wikka.php?wakka=NSCommunityArticleIntro

[kiggidykev]

Guitar Hero has a toy in Frosted Flakes.

Rock Band needs to seriously ramp up their toy-in-cereal production if they want to win this war.

[Runa216]

I also laughed when people tried telling me the Guitar Hero Setlist was better. I try not to keep my own personal opinion, so I listed the "big Names" in each, bands anyone's heard of and can recognize. I omitted Michael Jackson becuase I can't imagine them putting any more of his songs....and I only counted apparent exclusives, so System of a Down, Metallica, and a few other bands that have songs on both like Smashing Pumpkins don't get a mention. I left Aerosmith in becuase of their apparent exclusivity.

Guitar Hero has the following:

Van Halen
The Eagles *
Ozzy Osbourne
Jimi Hendrix
Ted Nugent *
Aerosmith *
Tool *
Michael Jackson *
KoRn *

Rock Band

The Police *
The Grateful Dead *
Boston
Judas Priest
The Cars *
Rush
the Who
ACDC
Motley Crue **
Duran duran *
Megadeth
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Offspring *
Bob Dylan *

(* = Not sure if they count as a 'big band', but are still worth mentioning)
(** = rumoured Album...but still a big band)

so in total, the scores are as follows:

Guitar Hero - 9 (I had to cheat to add some of them)
Rock Band - 14

Even if you cut off all the star ones, we still have:

Guitar Hero - 3
Rock Band - 7

and regardless of how many bands each brand has....consider how many songs each of them have. Rush has like 10 songs, The who has 14, Offspring has 5 (soon), red Hot Chili Peppers have a whopping 20, Judas Priest has 10, The Cars has 9. With Guitar Hero, you got 1 song each for the most part. Tool has 3, Hendrix has 2, Ozzy has two (though there's rumoured to be a hendrix 3-pack.)

Setlist/artist wise, how does Guitar Hero even compare?!

[kiggidykev]

The game with Offspring wins. That`s a rule I made a while back.

[Highlandlassie1]

GH will have Stranglehold-Ted Nugent

I will buy it just for that alone.

[afterstasis]

The game with Pixies wins. That`s a rule I made a while back.

yeah, me too.

[Rock_Starman]

A great setlist compared to a below mediocre one that RB 2 has,Hotel California,an unlock all song code that saves so I never have to play through all 3 hours of Lazy Eye again (or any other crap for that matter) and hopefully some better guitar art because I still got nothin in RB 2 and have taken to using the special ones.

[benson111]

I also laughed when people tried telling me the Guitar Hero Setlist was better. I try not to keep my own personal opinion, so I listed the "big Names" in each, bands anyone's heard of and can recognize. I omitted Michael Jackson becuase I can't imagine them putting any more of his songs....and I only counted apparent exclusives, so System of a Down, Metallica, and a few other bands that have songs on both like Smashing Pumpkins don't get a mention. I left Aerosmith in becuase of their apparent exclusivity.

Guitar Hero has the following:

Van Halen
The Eagles *
Ozzy Osbourne****
Jimi Hendrix
Ted Nugent *
Aerosmith *
Tool *
Michael Jackson *
KoRn *

Rock Band

The Police *
The Grateful Dead *
Boston
Judas Priest
The Cars *
Rush
the Who
ACDC
Motley Crue **
Duran duran *
Megadeth
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Offspring *
Bob Dylan *

(* = Not sure if they count as a 'big band', but are still worth mentioning)
(** = rumoured Album...but still a big band)

so in total, the scores are as follows:

Guitar Hero - 9 (I had to cheat to add some of them)
Rock Band - 14



Yea Ozzy is a big named artist, unless you are just posting your opinion.
****The only reason that i am RENTING the game any way.

[back_blows]

Yea Ozzy is a big named artist, unless you are just posting your opinion.
****The only reason that i am RENTING the game any way.

This and Van Halen. I don't know how Van Halen isn't a big name artist. Hello diamond platinum artist!!

[benson111]

This and Van Halen.

Yes and van halen too boot .

Sorry, was blinded by Ozzy ;)

[c0nd0rd4myt]

Guitar Hero has the following:

Van Halen
The Eagles * (definatly)
Ozzy Osbourne
Jimi Hendrix
Ted Nugent *
Aerosmith * (huge)
Tool *
Michael Jackson * (known as "the king of pop" for a reason)
KoRn *

Rock Band

The Police *
The Grateful Dead * (definatly a big-time band, at least when Jerry Garcia was still alive)
Boston
Judas Priest
The Cars *
Rush
the Who
ACDC
Motley Crue **
Duran duran *
Megadeth
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Offspring *
Bob Dylan * (asbo-friggin-lutly)

the others i'm not as familiar with their stuff.

I would also add to that list The Clash. they were known as "the only band that matters" for a damned good reason, and have had multiple gold or platinum records.

[gosox333]

I think arguing about the setlists is completely pointless. It's all 100% subjective. Nobody wins, nobody loses. Making tables about it doesn't change the fact that this is all based on opinion. There are people out there that believe that RB has the better setlist, and there are people out there that think that GH has won this battle.

Thinking like that is pointless. Nobody wins.

[Alright_Computer]

drum charts where cymbal and high hat are represented visually And only 2 cymbals at that... how are they going to handle dream theater?
vocals where you can sing in the style of the artist you are performing as OK, what the hell? you can sing in style for both games.
a song creator mode that will provide some fun with friends (jam mode) 3 minutes... no copyrighted material, sounds fun, right?
if you're a fan of Tool and crazy drums you might enjoy well.. Tool This is opinion
Mars Volta and At The Drive-In opinion...
A better steely dan song opinion...
Michael Jackson - Beat It again, opinion...
stats for each song

Now, I'm not saying that GH:WT has no pros whatsoever, or that RB2 is the only game you should buy. But you should have at least thought of better reasons.

BTW, OP, do you have the link to the parallel GH thread? I really don't want to dig through the improper punctuation.

[toymachineSH]

Now, I'm not saying that GH:WT has no pros whatsoever, or that RB2 is the only game you should buy. But you should have at least thought of better reasons.


drum charts where cymbal and high hat are represented visually And only 2 cymbals at that... how are they going to handle dream theater?

How did Rockband Handle Dreamtheater.... Twice?

vocals where you can sing in the style of the artist you are performing as OK, what the hell? you can sing in style for both games.

No you can't- show me someone FCing In Bloom on Expert and sounding like Kurt Cobain and I will refute that.


a song creator mode that will provide some fun with friends (jam mode) 3 minutes... no copyrighted material, sounds fun, right?

Yeah it does- god forbid someone make an original piece of music.

if you're a fan of Tool and crazy drums you might enjoy well.. Tool This is opinion

No this is fact. Are you denying that Tool has insane drums?

Mars Volta and At The Drive-In opinion...

My opinion is that AC/DC is boring and these two bands are not. Both exclusives lolwut?

A better steely dan song opinion...

Yup but it is a better song lyrically at least >_>

Michael Jackson - Beat It again, opinion...

Yeah this forum is full of them.

[Runa216]

http://community.guitarhero.com/forums/55708/forum_topics/125387?page=2#forumposts-1625356

that's for Alright Computer.

anyway, the biggest factor in me NOT being impressed with Guitar Hero is the lackluster Song creation mode. Too many damn restrictions! yeah, that still leaves a lot of room to play with...but that doesn't mean it's automatically good.

Time Limit - Still a huge problem. There's nobody that can convince me that this is a good idea. If it was like a 10 minute limit, it would be a non-issue, but 3 minutes is REALLY short! most of the songs I listen to are 4-7 minutes, and a lot of my favorites are 10-42 minutes long (yes, my favorite song, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is 42 minutes long...)

Note Limit - Now, a 1200 note limit in 3 minutes isn't bad, as has been brought to my attention. that's 6.6~ notes per second, so the ratio isn't bad, but it's still a 3 minute limit. if it was to be something like just the 1200 note limit, and no time limit, I could deal with that....I could make longer, mellow songs, or a song with a WICKED solo, whatever the case, having BOTH of these restrictions is just painful.

No Vocals - Not a killer for me, but when you make music, the point is supposed to be emotion, and vocals are really what do it. Having a music creator with no vocals in a game that advertises vocals as one of it's features seems a little hypocritical of me. as far as I'm concerned, what's the point?

No copyright Material - Okay, this is another huge problem with it. Most people are just gonna want to make popular songs, and I don't fault them for that. In fact, I'd LOVE to make my own charts to Master of Puppets or something, but noooooo, that would violate EVERY one of the rules. what about covers of songs? what abou transposed songs? (taking an instrument and mapping it as guitar, like Canon Rock). This pretty much leaves the creator only open to people who are actual musicians (or dumb kids who want to make impossible songs that don't map to anything.) and if that was the case, I'm fairly certain REAL musicians are more interested in, you know, making their music instead of creating it in a video game. Be that the case, even if you ARE an aspiring artist who wants to share his work with everyone, you still have the no vocals, 3 minute/1200 note limit....

the feature went from an awesome idea to a far too restrictive idea that will only be rightly taken advantage of by a small percentage of the population.

[Runa216]

No you can't- show me someone FCing In Bloom on Expert and sounding like Kurt Cobain and I will refute that.

Show me someone doing it on About a girl on World Tour...OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T BECUASE IT'S NOT OUT YET! how do you know what's gonna be possible in the future?


My opinion is that AC/DC is boring and these two bands are not. Both exclusives lolwut?

The whole thread was intended to showcase the popular bands, not the bands you liked, that's why I refrained from mentioning some of the World Tour bands I really liked, such as Mars Volta. AC/DC is a huge band, regardless of your personal beliefs, they're monstrous, one of the biggest.

also, someone quoted my second post in the thread questioning Ozzy...re-read the post, you'll see that the ones with no stars beside them are the biggest name bands, and the ones with one star are questionably large. Motley Crue got two stars becuase it's not confirmed that the album is in the game yet.

[toymachineSH]

I thought this thread was about what GH:WT has and what RB doesn't
and I illustrated that >_>

also I have a video of about a girl- it's on my youtube channel
not a very good example of what I'm talking about though for obvious reasons >__>

[Mister_Rogers69]

other than the music creator, a bunch of musicians in their game in the hopes somebody will buy the overpriced piece of crap its going to be.

Sting and Hayley don't look that much like themselves in the game too.

Also mad that they are raping the dead(Jimi Hendrix as a playable character)

[toymachineSH]

that's the only way they would allow his music in the game- so blame the hendrix estate :P

[borrowedchief]

It's compatible with the Rockband instruments, so I will give it a whirl cause I love Tool. I fit wasn't going to be instrument compatible, I wouldn't even bother.

[navaha42]

GH:WT has Pandora...

...Nevermind, that's not really a selling point...

[Tego1in]

Ah but does Guitar Hero have Stephen Colbert?

[Inpheksion]

vocals where you can sing in the style of the artist you are performing as OK, what the hell? you can sing in style for both games.

No you can't- show me someone FCing In Bloom on Expert and sounding like Kurt Cobain and I will refute that.



I would much rather have a game that tells me and rewards me when I am singing CORRECTLY rather than "sounding" like the original artist

[toymachineSH]

so you'd rather sing like a keyboard- alright I wouldn't. Guess we have a difference of opinion

[The_Wurm]

This is what they have that rock band doesn't, and is the main factor that I am looking forward to it.

Muse
Van Halen
Jimi Hendrix
Ozzy Osbourne
The Eagles

[m00p]

This is what they have that rock band doesn't, and is the main factor that I am looking forward to it.

Muse
Van Halen
Jimi Hendrix
Ozzy Osbourne
The Eagles

Rock Band had Muse as DLC. Your missing Wings, btw.

[Colt_Steele]

At the Drive-In is not a selling point.

[Mighed]

GH has tougher charts that are more fun!

Rock Band is for sissies!

over charted charts:mad::mad::mad:

[Alright_Computer]

I thought this thread was about what GH:WT has and what RB doesn't
and I illustrated that >_>

also I have a video of about a girl- it's on my youtube channel
not a very good example of what I'm talking about though for obvious reasons >__>

How exactly will they measure if you sing like the original singer? Sounds like broken talkies x10. This could work, I'm just not sure exactly how. Plus, although they do have built-in cymbals, this will get really difficult for Dream Theater, where Portnoy uses at least 10 cymbals in any given song. GH:WT can use 2 cymbals. If necessary, RB can use all 4 pads as cymbals.

I found some intelligent, open-minded people on the GH forums on the parallel thread. The world has officially ended.

[Runa216]

There are a few reasonable ones, but Let's be honest...most of them are actually trying to scream "innovation" when it was Harmonix that was the innovator, NEversoft is just taking an idea another company did, and were expanding on it. It's easy to seem big when you stand on the shoulders of giants.

Gameplay wise, The only things they've been able to come up with are:

Open Note Bass notes
Hitting a note while on a sustain
Anywhere activated starpower on Vocals and Drums

Everyone over there seems to be downplaying the Setlist on Rock Band...as if it doesn't matter, but we all know that the setlist is worth the most weight in a music based game. Silly, really.

[Phil Manutz]

http://community.guitarhero.com/forums/55708/forum_topics/125387?page=2#forumposts-1625356

that's for Alright Computer.

anyway, the biggest factor in me NOT being impressed with Guitar Hero is the lackluster Song creation mode. Too many damn restrictions! yeah, that still leaves a lot of room to play with...but that doesn't mean it's automatically good.

Time Limit - Still a huge problem. There's nobody that can convince me that this is a good idea. If it was like a 10 minute limit, it would be a non-issue, but 3 minutes is REALLY short! most of the songs I listen to are 4-7 minutes, and a lot of my favorites are 10-42 minutes long (yes, my favorite song, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is 42 minutes long...) ok, why it seems like I am the only person who heard this is beyond me, but anyone wanting to make original music STARTS with a three minute limit. if your music becomes popular in the GHTunes community, your limits are expanded. I believe the max limit is 5-6 minutes. more likely 5.

Note Limit - Now, a 1200 note limit in 3 minutes isn't bad, as has been brought to my attention. that's 6.6~ notes per second, so the ratio isn't bad, but it's still a 3 minute limit. if it was to be something like just the 1200 note limit, and no time limit, I could deal with that....I could make longer, mellow songs, or a song with a WICKED solo, whatever the case, having BOTH of these restrictions is just painful.again, limits are expanded for people whose music gathers a following.

No Vocals - Not a killer for me, but when you make music, the point is supposed to be emotion, and vocals are really what do it. Having a music creator with no vocals in a game that advertises vocals as one of it's features seems a little hypocritical of me. as far as I'm concerned, what's the point? hypocritical? to want to do the best thing to protect oneself from getting sued weekly?meh. anyways, it's your music. there is nothing preventing you from writing your own lyrics to your music and singing them anyway. or even writing your own lyrics for someone else's track you've downloaded. the game doesn't prevent you from using the mic, just recording lyrics.

No copyright Material - Okay, this is another huge problem with it. Most people are just gonna want to make popular songs, and I don't fault them for that. In fact, I'd LOVE to make my own charts to Master of Puppets or something, but noooooo, that would violate EVERY one of the rules. what about covers of songs? what abou transposed songs? (taking an instrument and mapping it as guitar, like Canon Rock). This pretty much leaves the creator only open to people who are actual musicians (or dumb kids who want to make impossible songs that don't map to anything.) and if that was the case, I'm fairly certain REAL musicians are more interested in, you know, making their music instead of creating it in a video game. Be that the case, even if you ARE an aspiring artist who wants to share his work with everyone, you still have the no vocals, 3 minute/1200 note limit....if you are so inclined, go ahead and make covers of whatever you like, you just can't share them. I don't really see a problem with that. if you can take the time to chart a cover of a song, then enjoy it. and if you really feel the need to share music, then chart some songs of your own.

the feature went from an awesome idea to a far too restrictive idea that will only be rightly taken advantage of by a small percentage of the population.like 5%(more likely a higher actual figure) of a couple million people still pans out to a crapload of music. enjoy.

the so called negatives here can easily wax in the other direction when looked at from a different perspective.

[Phil Manutz]

There are a few reasonable ones, but Let's be honest...most of them are actually trying to scream "innovation" when it was Harmonix that was the innovator, NEversoft is just taking an idea another company did, and were expanding on it. It's easy to seem big when you stand on the shoulders of giants.

Gameplay wise, The only things they've been able to come up with are:

Open Note Bass notes
Hitting a note while on a sustain
Anywhere activated starpower on Vocals and Drums
realtime 4v4 battle of the bands
dedicated cymbals charted separately

Everyone over there seems to be downplaying the Setlist on Rock Band...as if it doesn't matter, but we all know that the setlist is worth the most weight in a music based game. Silly, really.

fixed it for you

dude, harmonix didn't innovate the music game genre either. they took what had already been done by konami and made some refinements. there is nothing wrong with that. that's how 'innovation' happens. what is being done with the music game genre now will likely blossom into an idea that is entirely new. when that happens, are you going to forget that the RB's and GH's of the world had done it before them?

setlist = subjective. everyone's music tastes are different, arguing that one or the other is better is truly pointless.

[whopperdown]

Realtime 4v4 battle of the bands is going to be a giant headache.

How many people dueling leave halfway through if they are losing? Multiply that by 4 :/

EDIT: Well i meant vs. the way RB does it (band challenges).

In any other game D/Cing = loss which is how it should be for both RB and GH

[Phil Manutz]

Realtime 4v4 battle of the bands is going to be a giant headache.

How many people dueling leave halfway through if they are losing? Multiply that by 4 :/

well, that is one of the things you have to deal with when playing ppl online at any game, really. some people will be noobs. if every game dev house shyed away from making multiplayer games because some people are sore losers, how many franchises would go out of the window? besides, an easy way to combat that would be to add the win/loss to the players' records when there is a disconnect.

that issue doesn't make the feature a bad idea, it makes some people jackasses, though.

[ExpertDrummer]

I think the title should really be,"What does Rock Band have that Guitar Hero doesn't?"

You'll get a lot more answers.:)

[Runa216]

I think the title should really be,"What does Rock Band have that Guitar Hero doesn't?"

You'll get a lot more answers.:)

Well, that's kinda what I did on the GH forums. I posted the same article on both forums, and let's say that the GH forums were considerably more offensive than you guys. Hell, you guys gave me more reason to like guitar Hero than they did.

It was all just a test. I do believe everything I said, but I DON'T believe that what I believe should be presented as fact, that part was hard to fake.

[ExpertDrummer]

Well, that's kinda what I did on the GH forums. I posted the same article on both forums, and let's say that the GH forums were considerably more offensive than you guys. Hell, you guys gave me more reason to like guitar Hero than they did.

It was all just a test. I do believe everything I said, but I DON'T believe that what I believe should be presented as fact, that part was hard to fake.

Ah-ha ok.lol

[toymachineSH]

Rock Band had Muse as DLC.

It has one song- GH has 5 (including the GH3 DLC pack)

Let's hope this trend continues ;)

[instantdeath999]

A great setlist compared to a below mediocre one that RB 2 has,Hotel California,an unlock all song code that saves so I never have to play through all 3 hours of Lazy Eye again (or any other crap for that matter) and hopefully some better guitar art because I still got nothin in RB 2 and have taken to using the special ones.

I guess it's odd that I've played Rock Band for at least 40 hours and have only played Lazy Eye once... and that was for Battle of the Bands :confused:

[toymachineSH]

Personally I love Lazy Eye- one of my favourite songs in RB2

[instantdeath999]

A great setlist compared to a below mediocre one that RB 2 has,Hotel California,an unlock all song code that saves so I never have to play through all 3 hours of Lazy Eye again (or any other crap for that matter) and hopefully some better guitar art because I still got nothin in RB 2 and have taken to using the special ones.

I guess it's odd that I've played Rock Band for at least 40 hours and have only played Lazy Eye once... and that was for Battle of the Bands :confused:


drum charts where cymbal and high hat are represented visually And only 2 cymbals at that... how are they going to handle dream theater?

How did Rockband Handle Dreamtheater.... Twice?

Obviously, neither will be perfectly accurate.

vocals where you can sing in the style of the artist you are performing as OK, what the hell? you can sing in style for both games.

No you can't- show me someone FCing In Bloom on Expert and sounding like Kurt Cobain and I will refute that.

I can do it, to an extent. I find I do better when I slur the vocals, much like Kurt Cobain. This especially works for "Drain You"

a song creator mode that will provide some fun with friends (jam mode) 3 minutes... no copyrighted material, sounds fun, right?

Yeah it does- god forbid someone make an original piece of music.

Agreed. Though I imagine "jamming" might be tough, since it seems quite difficult to use.

if you're a fan of Tool and crazy drums you might enjoy well.. Tool This is opinion

No this is fact. Are you denying that Tool has insane drums?

Not at all.

Mars Volta and At The Drive-In opinion...

My opinion is that AC/DC is boring and these two bands are not. Both exclusives lolwut?

That is complete opinion. I enjoy both, but someone may find Mars Volta a boring progressive band, and love the straight up rock style of AC/DC. To say this is not opinion is completely self-righteous.
A better steely dan song opinion...

Yup but it is a better song lyrically at least >_>

You'd be surprised at how many hit songs have extremely simple lyrics. Besides, Bodhisattva is a guitar song.

Michael Jackson - Beat It again, opinion...

Yeah this forum is full of them.

Music is quite possibly the most subjective thing in the world. It's to be expected.



Those are my responses.


Personally I love Lazy Eye- one of my favourite songs in RB2

Agreed. I really should play it more.



For the record, I plan to buy both. Both setlist have their perks. Rock Band 2 has more deep cuts that I, as a huge music enthusiast, will enjoy. On the other hand, Guitar Hero has many more "hits" to the point where it's annoying, with the huge exception of Metallica (but even then, I wish they would have picked Fight Fire with Fire over Trapped Under Ice)...

Honestly, it seems like the roles are reversed. Rock Band has the more difficult songs this time around.

[toymachineSH]

totally agreed on that RB has the more difficult guitar songs. But it's mostly due to the tighter engine- which the robots have adapted to anyway lol.

Seeing as how the whole game got FCd in 2 days and then under two weeks later Razzamatazz FCd the whole setlist on his own.

as for jamming- you can just have a freeform wankery jam where you just spazz out on stuff- after a few beers/other I'd imagine this would be quite entertaining!

I know this a is a terrible thought but could anyone see people freestyle rapping to their friends playing the track on World Tour? The image amuses me at least!

[instantdeath999]

You've apparently played World Tour, correct? If so, I would like to ask about the vocals.

You say that you have more freedom to sing like, or at least attempt to imitate, the vocal style of the singer for the song you are playing. I've found this normally works in rock band, especially for Grunge songs, but no so much on Metallica songs. How does it work in Guitar Hero?

[toymachineSH]

a better example would be Motorhead - Overkill- I sang the song doing my Lemmy impersonation on expert and the only phrases that gave me trouble were "Overkill" because I had no idea how the song actually went.

Trapped Under Ice is the kind of old school thrash metallica where Hettfield is singing in a higher pitch anyway- but rest assured you can add the nuances he uses (growling/raspyness) and you won't risk failing.

[instantdeath999]

So, basically, the vocals in GH are passable without any sort of pitch control, even on expert? That doesn't sound too appealing...

[toymachineSH]

no that's not what I mean at all. I'm still singing the song properly but I don't have to sound like a robot/keyboard to combo a phrase.

[Fennz]

This is why I'm not getting GHWT until Christmas. Usually I get stuff at launch, but money is a little tight and this is a sacrafice that I couldn't care less for.

[BigMonkE]

Guitar Hero has a superior character creator, an instrument customizer, name recognition, more reliable peripherals, and some big name exclusive bands.

I heard they ran out of replacement cymbals at Liepzig.

[toymachineSH]

I heard those were prototypes and people aren't very considerate at Liepzig.

[JaFO_NL]

What does Guitar Hero have and Rockband not ?
A true world wide release for all supported systems.

[Joeylinkmaster]

rock band sucked on the wii so almost any wii owners who want to get either guitar hero or rock band will choose rock band


I feel like Harmonix doesn't give a sh*t about the wii

[ThatsGobbles]

A big difference: Rock Band's (upcoming) Photo Creator, Band Merchandise, and the Rendertron farm.

[afterstasis]

I feel like Harmonix doesn't give a sh*t about the wii

as a wii owner who was extremely enthusiastic about the wii at first, i'm most concerned that nintendo doesn't seem to give a **** about the wii.

[Joeylinkmaster]

the main game I wanted to get is Super Smash Bros Brawl, but now all I play is Guitar Hero 3. luckily I didn't pay for my console, and I might get Rock Band 2 if I can get just a guitar with it

[Jixzer]

For me...nothing...RB has all I need. I'm sure GH:WT is going to be fun for a lot of people, but I don't need another rhythm game. I'm satisified with what I have...that and having over 300 songs so far...I think I'm good. :)

[afterstasis]

i almost forgot that GH does indeed still have lars umlaut!

if i do end up renting GH:WT there better be an option to have him as my permanent vocalist!

[back_blows]

i almost forgot that GH does indeed still have lars umlaut!

if i do end up renting GH:WT there better be an option to have him as my permanent vocalist!

I'd make a band full of lars'.

[afterstasis]

I'd make a band full of lars'.

toymachine, we need confirmation...

can you make a band full of everyone's overweight metalhead on GH:WT?!

[toymachineSH]

I think you can actually because I saw two people pick pandora- I could be wrong though!

[The_Wurm]

Rock Band had Muse as DLC. Your missing Wings, btw.
No i'm not.

and i meant that rock band 2 doesn't have muse, and gh wt does.

But let me reiterate:

GOOD MUSE.

[Jorm]

At first, and for a long time, I've operated under the assumption that I'd get both, why not, right?

But week after week of high quality DLC and the coming AC/DC pack is changing my mind. I'm spending so much on RB that I'll push back any purchase of GH:WT until the end of the year.

Now, rather than buying it day 1, I'll rent it and maybe I'll buy it, maybe I won't.

All part of HMX's nefarious plan, I assume. :D

[PastorO Muppets]

GH has tougher charts that are more fun!

Rock Band is for sissies!

I hope this is sarcasm

because this is my biggest beef with the GH franchise
yes they are harder but is that at the expense of song continuity?
400 extra notes per song just to amp up difficulty? ok i exaggerate or do I :p

I will rent GH:WT and check the charting out b4 i decide to spend money on it
RB2 was in my posession at midnite release date for xbox360

does that answer the OPs original question?

[Runa216]

Well, I still like rock Band better, but it's funny to see people call me a fanboy, even though I give perfectly legitimate reasons for preferring Rock Band.

[Skittles]

3 minutes?? are you ****ing kidding me???
they atleast showed off its potential at E3 and I was interested but only 3 minute songs? come on

tho Im loving the character customization, then again I always love character creation
maybe those 7 songs I like that arent already in RB would be fun and not overcharted
but thats just wishful thinking huh?

[Runa216]

I've decided to add one thing that GH has that Rock Band doesn't: a Legion of Rabid Fanboys.

[toymachineSH]

umm are you ****ing serious?

[Refero]

^ Rock Band has more of a garrison of fanboys as opposed to a legion. ^

[toymachineSH]

oh ok for a second there I thought I just read the most hypocritical statement ever

[Masterofmagic420]

Def Leppard!!!!!

[Runa216]

and I referred mostly to the fact that Rock Band Fanboys seem to be less rabid, more rational.

Guitar Hero fanboys are aggressive when presented with the fact that Rock Band is in fact the better game, no matter how many minor gameplay innovations Neversoft cranks out. Nothing compares to the quality charts and songs that harmonix has been putting out, as well as the sheer volume of songs and the cross compatibility.

[Phil Manutz]

3 minutes?? are you ****ing kidding me???
they atleast showed off its potential at E3 and I was interested but only 3 minute songs? come on

tho Im loving the character customization, then again I always love character creation
maybe those 7 songs I like that arent already in RB would be fun and not overcharted
but thats just wishful thinking huh?

as I have stated and it seems most people aren't letting it sink in(except yourself, possibly seeing this for the first time) the song time and note limits expand for people who gain popularity in the GHTunes community. you start at a 3min limit, and max out at 5 or 6 min. the note limit expands also by ratio. so, if you are taking the time to create music, and the community likes it, your have fewer limits.

[Phil Manutz]

and I referred mostly to the fact that Rock Band Fanboys seem to be less rabid, more rational.

Guitar Hero fanboys are aggressive when presented with the opinion that Rock Band is in fact the better game, no matter how many minor gameplay innovations Neversoft cranks out. Nothing compares to the quality charts and songs that harmonix has been putting out, as well as the sheer volume of songs and the cross compatibility.

fixed that for you. I am not personally saying that rock band isn't as good or better than any GH, but I do recognize when I speak on my preferences betwen the two games that the end result of any comparison on my part is my opinion, not fact. you should do the same. GH is the better game to those people just like rock band is a better game to you. that is the only true fact here.

[afterstasis]

GH is the better game to those people just like rock band is a better game to you. that is the only true fact here.

this is true.
though i personally can't fathom preferring GH, i also can't imagine why people enjoy mcdonalds food or why girls think guys with shaved heads look good.

[toymachineSH]

they have daddy issues obv

[trench762]

I'm personally getting GH WT for the songs, Tool! Plus GH has always had tougher guitar songs, dunno how well they will do on drums/vox but hopefully well. The only thing keeping me into RB is the DLC, and with heavy editing on lyrics for content, hopefully gh will pick up on this and use less censorship. Again just my opinion but GH WT has a way better songlist. I only like about 20-25 songs on the RB2 disc and am usually just playing my dlc outside of the tours. Although I will say RB1 blows GH3 away on the song list so I guess it's more about song preferance than gameplay b/c GH3 played better than RB1, but in fairness gh3 didn't have drums/vox so I dunno which I will prefer when I have them both. I had decided not to even buy GH WT until the cross-compatibility was announced.

[toymachineSH]

Plus GH has always had tougher guitar songs

While that's true some of the DLC lately for Rock Band is just crazy- and it's not just because of the tight timing window anymore. Constant Motion, Thrasher, I Ain't Superstitious

**** is bananas

[travmeatwad]

Guitar Hero has Paul McCartney and Wings.

I want Paul McCartney and Wings in Rock Band.

DO IT, HMX.

The Beatles, too please.

[toymachineSH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QffhUkRgYBo - Dammnit fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vonh_yDiM8 - Sweet Home Alabama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50rx3QmEM2A&feature=related - Hotel California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGQaxHhFfk&feature=related - Freak On A Leash

some videos that popped up recently

[Ultimatum]

more reliable peripherals

Detachable neck anyone?

Also, didn't the cymbals break at Leipzig?

[toymachineSH]

/me ignores the leipzig comment

the detachable neck is fine now- trust me it's solid as hell and they are using something that resembles HDMI to connect it.

[RicoTheAwesomeCat]

GHWT has Misery Business and Hayley Williams as a character...those are the only reasons I'm even interested at all.

[navaha42]

GHWT has Misery Business and Hayley Williams as a character...those are the only reasons I'm even interested at all.

Damn you, Parawhores!!! *Shakes fist*

[Bub]

Guitar Hero controllers are a lot better than the Rock Band guitars. I love Rock Band but man do I hate the guitars! The Guitar Hero guitars' buttons are a lot easier to press and much easier to find where your ground on the fretboard.

[Runa216]

Guitar Hero controllers are a lot better than the Rock Band guitars. I love Rock Band but man do I hate the guitars! The Guitar Hero guitars' buttons are a lot easier to press and much easier to find where your ground on the fretboard.

though I don't disagree that the general public finds GH controllers more reliable, (and I love the strum click) I think the frets on the Rock Band guitar are in every way superior. easier to slide your fingers down, and better feeling. I hate the Mattel look of the GH controllers. (plus I like the option of the second set of frets. all opinion, of course. I think the Rock Band feature set and frets are better, but the Guitar Hero strumbar is better. (how's that for being fair?!)

Also, PS3 and 360, you can use any controllers you want, so it's a win-win situation.

[navaha42]

GH:WT has Judy Nails and Pandora...

...Dammit, I really can't think of anything...

[instantdeath999]

No i'm not.

and i meant that rock band 2 doesn't have muse, and gh wt does.

But let me reiterate:

GOOD MUSE.

Assassin is actually one of my least favorite Muse songs.


/me ignores the leipzig comment

the detachable neck is fine now- trust me it's solid as hell and they are using something that resembles HDMI to connect it.

Is that so? My guitar I got with Aerosmith broke after two months. It drops notes all the time.

[afterstasis]

i very rarely play guitar anymore, but i definitely prefer the strat...

[nicko68]

No copyright Material - Okay, this is another huge problem with it. Most people are just gonna want to make popular songs, and I don't fault them for that. In fact, I'd LOVE to make my own charts to Master of Puppets or something, but noooooo, that would violate EVERY one of the rules. what about covers of songs? what abou transposed songs?

Have you heard of the RIAA, idiot?

[Runa216]

Have you heard of the RIAA, idiot?

Don't call me an idiot.....just don't. I'm many things, but I am not stupid, nor am I an idiot.

[Ultimatum]

Where's your source on the note and time limits?

[theguywitdaface]

I played GHWT at PAX and (gasp) the cymbals didn't break. So, please stop bringing up BS Liepzig reasons.

[Ultimatum]

Still, the breaking at Leipzig leaves something to be questioned.

[Alright_Computer]

I played GHWT at PAX and (gasp) the cymbals didn't break. So, please stop bringing up BS Liepzig reasons.

And some people are still playing their original launch day Rock Band drumsets. However, as a whole, they're unreliable.

[toymachineSH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLHvA1lIb4s

Oh man that solo is so awesome

[Runa216]

I've been trying to put together a comprehensive list of everything Guitar Hero has that Rock Band does not:

Features -

Notes during sustains
Open Bass Notes
No Individual Failouts in band mode
Boss Battles
Song Creator
touchstrip (can be argued since it's the same as the second keys RB has)
Cymbals/anywhere drum starpower
band vs band battles
Overcharted Note Charts (some people like it...)

Band Wise -

Van Halen
Ozzy Osbourne
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
KoRn

Now, on the flipside, what does Rock Band have?

Feature Wise -

Solo section
Battle of the Bands
HO/PO chords
Drum Trainer
Beginner Modes (I think, not heard of this idea since it came out)
Second set of Frets (questionable since GH has the touchstrip)
Sound Effects on the Guitar
Realistic Note Charts (most people like it, but not all)
Cross Compatible DLC
Export Feature
20 free DLC (RB2 only)
Weekly DLC

Band Wise

The Who
Rush
Red Hot Chili Peppers
AC/DC
Motley Crue
The Offspring
Bob Dylan
Boston
Judas Priest


Think I got it right? yeah, a lot of Rock Band features are setlist based, which is something the Guitar Hero Community was quick to criticise....but let's be honest here, is the setlist NOT the most important thing on a game like this?

[skysaw]

I bought RB2 instead of waiting for GHWT, and my main reason was the charting. I'm a guitarist, and I wanted it to feel like playing the guitar, which RB fairly well captures (at hard/expert levels, anyway). I don't care how much more challenging "overcharting" might add to gameplay, if it doesn't match what I'm hearing, I don't want it in my chart.

As far as a general war between the two franchises goes, I can only say that I am happy both games exist, even if I never buy a GH game. The main drive both of these companies has to improve their game is the fact that they have competition looking over their shoulder. Those of you who can't stand GH should still be thankful that it's there, driving Harmonix to better RB at every turn.

It's the same reason I can't stand PS users bashing the xbox (or the other way around). Everyone should realize that the "enemy" system is part of what makes their system so great. Without the intense competition, we'd all still be playing Asteroids.

[Phil Manutz]

Where's your source on the note and time limits?

it was something that I came across in passing through miscellaneous links to game info, but I'll try to find it again so I can post it here.

[Ultimatum]

I'm not questioning it, I just want it so I have it for future reference.

It sounds like a Neversoft move to make too, just quickly fixing the issue without any actual thought.

[saxybeast418]

Alright, as far as the limits in the new Guitar Hero are concerned:

1) Understandable, due to uploading constraints.
2) A patient person can work around it i.e. split up a song into multiple tracks. A pain in the ass and an imperfect solution, certainly, but you have to work with what you've got.
3) You could theoretically program a copyright track and download it as a midi file to you system without going to GHTunes.

Thankfully, instrument compatibility issues on the PS3 are pretty much resolved, so I will be able to fully enjoy Guitar Hero 3 (not the best in the series but it has good songs and a crazy level of challenge), Rock Band 1 and 2, and Guitar Hero: World Tour. I also might be crazy, but I am selling several of my old instruments and getting a full set of Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero WT instruments just to have the full experience.

HOWEVER, even if you aren't crazy, just buy your instruments of choice and get both games! No more compatibility issues! Huzzah!

[Phil Manutz]

Overcharted Note Charts (most people like it...)


Realistic Note Charts (some people like it, but not all)


fixed.

again dude, when presenting facts, your opinion has to be kept separate, and your stated preference of RB shines through in the statement as you wrote it.

how can most people like RB's 'realistic' note charts over GH's charts if most people own GH? GH has been shown to outsell RB by a very large margin.

[Ultimatum]

GH has the name behind it, the note charts are not a selling point.

I'm willing to bet that at least 75% of GH owners don't know/think the charts are overcharted.

[Phil Manutz]

GH has the name behind it, the note charts are not a selling point.

I'm willing to bet that at least 75% of GH owners don't know/think the charts are overcharted.

srry for muti-post. lagging.

[Phil Manutz]

GH has the name behind it, the note charts are not a selling point.

I'm willing to bet that at least 75% of GH owners don't know/think the charts are overcharted.

the fact still remains that people can't prefer something they haven't played or don't own. and whether the note charts are a selling point is debatable. after all, rabid fans of GH love those note charts and it is indeed the reason they still buy GH.

[Phil Manutz]

hey something seems broken here. when I try to save edits the page won't refresh on its own, I have to click an alternate page number then click the last page to refresh it.

[navaha42]

how can most people like RB's 'realistic' note charts over GH's charts if most people own GH? GH has been shown to outsell RB by a very large margin.

A: Name recognition. Almost everyone's heard of Guitar Hero by now. Rock Band? Not so much.

B: Guitar Hero's cheaper.

[Phil Manutz]

A: Name recognition. Almost everyone's heard of Guitar Hero by now. Rock Band? Not so much.

B: Guitar Hero's cheaper.

I still don't understand how this negates my point. the point being, more people own GH, not RB. therefore it is impossible to say more people like RB's charts. they haven't even played/owned it. it's mathematically not possible.

[afterstasis]

I still don't understand how this negates my point. the point being, more people own GH, not RB. therefore it is impossible to say more people like RB's charts. they haven't even played/owned it. it's mathematically not possible.

i believe he's saying more people like RB for their charts, as opposed to many people owning GH based on name-recognition.

[navaha42]

I still don't understand how this negates my point. the point being, more people own GH, not RB. therefore it is impossible to say more people like RB's charts. they haven't even played/owned it. it's mathematically not possible.

I wasn't trying to argue against you, I was only trying to explain why more people own Guitar Hero. :D

[Phil Manutz]

I wasn't trying to argue against you, I was only trying to explain why more people own Guitar Hero. :D

well I know why more people own guitar hero, but that isn't the point I was arguing in the beginning. it was that from a strictly numbers standpoint, more people can't like a feature of a game that has sold less copies or otherwise been experienced less.

[Phil Manutz]

i believe he's saying more people like RB for their charts, as opposed to many people owning GH based on name-recognition.

this is a more valid point. but then, if they are happy with guitar hero, just like so many people who have invested money into RB/dlc/etc., they probably are less willing to buy an entirely different rhythm/music game aside.

[flop404]

vocals where you can sing in the style of the artist you are performing as OK, what the hell? you can sing in style for both games.


No you can't- show me someone FCing In Bloom on Expert and sounding like Kurt Cobain and I will refute that.


First of all, the goal of the games isn't to "FC". That's a ScoreHero obsession, which is fine, but represents abouts .001 % of the players population.

Secondly, yes, you can FC In Bloom in Expert by actually singing.

"Sounding like Kurt Cobain" I honestly hardly see what it would mean. You're supposed to be covering the song, not doing imitations. If you sing in tune, you can FC In Bloom. The games don't check for your voice type and use of resonnators to see how close you are to the original singer's voice.
Rock Band doesn't. Guitar Hero doesn't.


Thirdly, from what I've read, to actually FC a song in GHWT you're supposed to be exact on every word, not phrase.

So you'll probably have to be much, much, much more robotic to get a FC in GHWT.



I'm still getting both, though, GHWT looks just as great as Rock Band, only with some differences in game mechanics

[toymachineSH]

Maybe it's a matter of preference, I'd rather sing like Kurt Cobain with raspyness then the way you have to sing to combo the chorus.

[flop404]

Maybe it's a matter of preference, I'd rather sing like Kurt Cobain with raspyness then the way you have to sing to combo the chorus.

The chorus doesn't present any specific problem, even for a very mediocre singer like me ?

[Steef]

Rock Band pwns.
We just need more Muse and a Sex Pistols song here and there ;).

[Alright_Computer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLHvA1lIb4s

Oh man that solo is so awesome

Synth charting = Fail.

Also, I've done my best Kurt Cobain impression (which admittedly isn't very good) on Expert and FC'd the chorus. And I'm no singer.

For the record, some people are unable to reproduce the styles of some singers. For example, a 14-year-old girl can't sing Metallica without failing. But what if her favorite band is Metallica, her favorite song is Trapped Under Ice, and she really wants to sing the lyrics? From what I've gotten from your description, she would fail out, which wouldn't be a fun experience for her.

This is just what I've gotten from this thread, admittedly I'm no expert at GHWT so I'm probably wrong here.

[navaha42]

For example, a 14-year-old girl can't sing Metallica without failing. But what if her favorite band is Metallica, her favorite song is Trapped Under Ice, and she really wants to sing the lyrics?

Then she has bad taste in music, Trapped Under Ice is easily the worst song off their older records. XD

[KnightFire420]

GH will have 311 and a few other well known bands that Rock Band ignores.

[Alright_Computer]

Then she has bad taste in music, Trapped Under Ice is easily the worst song off their older records. XD

Well, yeah, but besides that.:D

[toymachineSH]

you don't have to replicate the singer- but you can. I'd like to see a video of you singing In Bloom and Comboing the chorus. I'd be very interested to see it

[toymachineSH]

Synth charting = Fail.


Yes how dare they not make you sit there for 1 minute doing nothing- ****ing neversoft *******s.

[Ultimatum]

the fact still remains that people can't prefer something they haven't played or don't own. and whether the note charts are a selling point is debatable. after all, rabid fans of GH love those note charts and it is indeed the reason they still buy GH.

Hardcore fans make up a very tiny percentage of the fanbase.

[theantkid12]

Yes how dare they not make you sit there for 1 minute doing nothing- ****ing neversoft *******s.
Which is the reason the "rumored" Guns 'N Roses pack might not have November Rain...

Instead of forcing them to play the synthesizer, how about pick a song that maybe has guitar under the synth or no synth at all!

You know Neversoft added this song for it's "guitar" solo for difficulty.

[ZaP2012]

the main thing that GH has going is better guitars etc... many people are getting the GHWT bundle pack and the RB2 game

[Ultimatum]

The cymbals broke at Leipzig, and AFAIK, detachable neck issues still are not fixed.

[toymachineSH]

can you stop ****ing repeating that

cymbals broke at leipzig and detatchable neck **** like a ****ing broken record

you are making me want to stab your avatar

comparing the GHWT drums then is like saying the RB drums suck because of the first wave :P

the guitar is fine- ZERO ISSUES
the end

[MPWN_Remission]

GHG forums wreak fanboy-ism the one thing I ****ing despsise

[HeyRiles]

What bothers me the most about the gHIV setlist is the repetition of bands in it. Three Tool songs? Two Jimi Hendrix songs? Two Ozzy Osbourne songs? gHIV has 86 songs on disc right now, but I looked at it a few weeks ago, and if you take away the band repeats, it adds up to about 80, which is less than RB2. I really, really don't like that they added more songs from the same bands just to say that they've got a larger setlist on disc than their competitors

[MPWN_Remission]

What bothers me the most about the gHIV setlist is the repetition of bands in it. Three Tool songs? Two Jimi Hendrix songs? Two Ozzy Osbourne songs? gHIV has 86 songs on disc right now, but I looked at it a few weeks ago, and if you take away the band repeats, it adds up to about 80, which is less than RB2. I really, really don't like that they added more songs from the same bands just to say that they've got a larger setlist on disc than their competitors
Anyways I think the way RB charts is more fun... and HMX to make a song difficult they choose difficult song.

IMO Snow, Thrasher, Sleepwalker are ALL harder than TTFAF in principal.

If HMX charted TTFAF and put it on RB within a week it would have been FC'd.

Rock Band has chosen the harder songs themselves and IMO the more desirable ones.

[Alright_Computer]

you don't have to replicate the singer- but you can. I'd like to see a video of you singing In Bloom and Comboing the chorus. I'd be very interested to see it

My Cobain impression sucks, but I have done it.


Yes how dare they not make you sit there for 1 minute doing nothing- ****ing neversoft *******s.

Personally, I'd prefer doing nothing. But hey, if you like playing synth on guitar, then that's fine. I mean, it's less realistic, but there's nothing really wrong with it.

Also, a question to whoever has seen/played the GHWT kit: Is the kick pedal detachable?

[toymachineSH]

Also, a question to whoever has seen/played the GHWT kit: Is the kick pedal detachable?

Not sure what you mean- can you clarify?

[Alright_Computer]

Not sure what you mean- can you clarify?

Does the pedal have a jack that plugs into the drums, or is it a part of the drums themselves? I'm guessing it's a jack, I'm just wondering.

[Ultimatum]

can you stop ****ing repeating that

cymbals broke at leipzig and detatchable neck **** like a ****ing broken record

you are making me want to stab your avatar

comparing the GHWT drums then is like saying the RB drums suck because of the first wave :P

the guitar is fine- ZERO ISSUES
the end

I'll keep bringing it up as long as people keep assuming that the instruments will be better.

[instantdeath999]

Yes how dare they not make you sit there for 1 minute doing nothing- ****ing neversoft *******s.

Honestly, I like waiting in certain songs. I would have been very mad if I were forced to play the synth in "Baba O' Riley". The buildup in that song is half the fun.

[toymachineSH]

Does the pedal have a jack that plugs into the drums, or is it a part of the drums themselves? I'm guessing it's a jack, I'm just wondering.

Yup it's a jack.

here's me sucking it up on a few solos on PS3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQKrj-CcrcQ

[Nourez]

Brian Bright:)

You just totally ruined my evening. Thanks a lot pal.