Don't hold your breath for PS3 patch

[skagen]

One of the harmonix employees posted on a forum I frequent; He pretty much said Harmonix isn't going to work out the kinks for the LP PS3 incompatibility issue. There's no point in asking them anymore, they're going to sit on their laurels and hide behind their disclaimer statement.

I'm done with Harmonix.

[hmxsean]

We are looking into all these issues and taking them seriously. Where is this posting you are referencing?

[Dabog666]

Yeah, this 'forum you frequent'...it might have been an RB hater pretending to be an employee of HMX...

[skagen]

We are looking into all these issues and taking them seriously. Where is this posting you are referencing?

I'd would prefer to NOT get him in trouble OR the forum, if you could private message me, i'll be happy to send you the link with anonimity garaunteed.

[hmxsean]

Feel free to PM me.

[monstrado]

I can't imagine your going to take a quote from someone who says they're a harmonix employee. Proof?

[dikfox]

sean, are we gonna have to buy a second bundle to play with 4 people on thanksgiving or are you guys working on a fix?

[ShadowOfEden]

IGN posted a news on that.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/836/836950p1.html

They say that Harmonix isn't going to fix it.

I'm a programmer, and I know that adapting software to hardware is MUCH easier than adapting hardware to software.

The game could only give an option in game to say that you are using Les Paul, and then do a Switch Case and then handling the controls of that guitar.

The main issue is that it is impossible to purchase instruments individually. I would pay for a guitar if they would sell individually. Right now, it's impossible to form a 4 player bands unless you own two bundles.

[Huskie]

One of the harmonix employees posted on a forum I frequent; He pretty much said Harmonix isn't going to work out the kinks for the LP PS3 incompatibility issue. There's no point in asking them anymore, they're going to sit on their laurels and hide behind their disclaimer statement.

I'm done with Harmonix.

The only thing remotely close to this is @ kotaku.com but that was an OLD interview.
It was from the end of last month.

kotaku must have seen IGN update their page about guitar compatibility so they report it as fact.

Why are people NOW bringing it up as HMX's response to this issue?

This is worse then network news.

[TigerVoss]

The only thing remotely close to this is @ kotaku.com but that was an OLD interview.
It was from the end of last month.

Why are people NOW bringing it up as HMX's response to this issue?

^I would assume because the contradictory statements, so far, of "We are taking all issues seriously and working on them" and "It's not our fault. Take your complaints elsewhere (RedOctane)" are just not satisfying for the masses who are eagerly awaiting a definitive message, for better or worse

[sonicbrew]

Post something with validity or quit posting this BS at all. You don't want to get this person in trouble yet you will send Sean a email link with this person quoting this?!? WTF!!

[skagen]

The only thing remotely close to this is @ kotaku.com but that was an OLD interview.
It was from the end of last month.

Why are people NOW bringing it up as HMX's response to this issue?

Because Harmonix's PR people may have just said... "in response" and then reissue the same statement they did in a prior interview. Companies do that all the time.

[milhouse]

Hey. I'm on PS3 and want a patch as well. If Harmonix patches it, they're great. If not, I think no less of them. It's not their place to make someone else's hardware work with their game. Yeah, I'm bummed there's no option to even buy a 2nd guitar (without buying a bundle) but I don't blame Rock Band or Harmonix for the Les Paul not working.

[jrogers]

I don't blame Harmonix, but the question is why does the Les paul work on the 360 and not on the Playstation 3? if this was a problem for both systems then I could understand, but obviously there must have been an oversight on the PS3 side of things which since, again, the 360 LP works, then there should definitely be a patch for the PS3 at some point or.....Harmonix needs to block the 360 users from using LP to work with their product to keep things fair if Red octane will not do anything...Just that simple.

[gloss]

Hey. I'm on PS3 and want a patch as well. If Harmonix patches it, they're great. If not, I think no less of them. It's not their place to make someone else's hardware work with their game. Yeah, I'm bummed there's no option to even buy a 2nd guitar (without buying a bundle) but I don't blame Rock Band or Harmonix for the Les Paul not working.

I would blame them for not having enough peripherals available to meet demand. It might have been better for them to push back the release date and have appropriate supply than to create bad will with consumers like this.

[TheRocker]

I dont really care if I cant use the LP , i will just buy a second Strat (wired) next year end of story.

[TigerVoss]

More bad news Im afraid....While browsing the playstion forums, I came across a post of a gamer who contacted EA about the issue of not being able to play the non bundled game he/she purchased. The response was basically "We understand your frustration, and stand alone peripherals will be sold in the near future. We just dont have a date yet"....
Garbage...if it is indeed a patch, do you see the blow your rep is taking, Harmonix? You could fix this in no time if you wanted to. Its like two stubborn kids not willing to say they are sorry for fighting...the people who have to deal with them suffer, while they continue to think they are in the right.

[BenGmanUk]

The trouble is, activision/redoctane have absolutely nothing to gain from fixing this issue.

I'm so sick of being is PS3 owner. We're getting bent over and shafted once again.

:(

[mdbomb]

The trouble is, activision/redoctane have absolutely nothing to gain from fixing this issue.

I'm so sick of being is PS3 owner. We're getting bent over and shafted once again.

:(

Why not? If the only way for PS3 owners to get another Guitar is to either buy another bundle (170) or buy GHIII (100) which one will they do? Making the guitar compatible would only help both companies I would think.

[djroberts]

We are looking into all these issues and taking them seriously. Where is this posting you are referencing?

hmxsean,
This is good to hear. We understand that it may not be your fault but we also know the only way to fix this is through software. Either from you or Sony most likely. For now, any information you can give us would be great. Personally I'm waiting for a resolution before buying Rockband because I don't want to buy a second guitar.

[Magnet]

The problem with Harmonix coming out and saying that they're working on a PS3 Les Paul patch for the game is that in case they just can't get it to ever work, they'll have "misled" people when no patch is ever released.

I don't really see any problem with Harmonix coming out and saying that they're NOT working on a PS3 Les Paul patch for the game. If they weren't, they could just be honest and say that it's not an issue that they're looking into at the moment. People will keep complaining, but this way we would know that it's not coming and people can stop asking where the patch is in the forums ten times a day.

So given the lack of a solid response about what they're doing, I would take all of this as a sign that they're seriously looking into what they can do with the PS3 Les Paul for the game. We'll know soon enough if they can make it work with the game or not. They've had barely over three weeks so far since they could first get in contact with the PS3 Les Paul guitar. Who knows if they've even had any successful attempts with it yet. But they could at least let us know whether they got it to work so that a patch may be or may not be out of the realm of possibility.

Guess we'll have to stay tuned. Anyone who has been on these forums for more than a few months knows that Harmonix listens to their customers at the very least. Give them the benefit of the doubt for now and check back for their responses periodically.

[mltdwn]

I don't blame Harmonix, but the question is why does the Les paul work on the 360 and not on the Playstation 3? if this was a problem for both systems then I could understand, but obviously there must have been an oversight on the PS3 side of things which since, again, the 360 LP works, then there should definitely be a patch for the PS3 at some point or.....

The 360 works and the PS3 doesn't because MS has different requirements for peripherals than Sony does. MS requires ALL peripheral manufacturers for the 360 to make their devices match certain standards (i.e. the red button HAS to send a red button code, it can't send a special code for that particular hardware which your software then interprets as a red button press). They do this so that if say Company X makes hardware piece Y it HAS to work with all software that uses that kind of device.

Sony doesn't require that so most likely what RO did on the PS3 version was make it so Button X sent Hardware Code B which looks to every other piece of software as garbage but which GHIII interprets as Button X. And while it would be nice if HMX can fix it, keep in mind they might also get their butt sued for patent violations or some crap.


Harmonix needs to block the 360 users from using LP to work with their product to keep things fair if Red octane will not do anything...Just that simple.

Um how would they do that and not disable every OTHER guitar device from working? Again this has to do with standards, MS says "all devices and software MUST use X standards (which are open standards)" if HMX does what YOU want they could lose their licensing with MS. It's not their fault, it's Sony's for not enforcing open standards on accessories to their device and allowing closed standards to exist. Kinda funny that MS is more supportive of Open Standards for once and it's Sony that's being territorial.

[Daveil]

Ok, to help people understand the problem with the Les Paul for the PS3 is that the little nut that is used to connect the guitar to the ps3 is a converter to trick the ps3 into thinking it is a normal controller and not a special controller. There is no way that RB is responsible for the way someone else programs their guitar. Stop griping about it and send them a nice email or ask the ones that visit this forum. That is what I did.

[vectorz]

TOTAL BS you guys. Stop being such HMX fanboys.. there's already been numerous reports of people being able to use the GH3 guitar on Rockband PS3 *UNTIL* they applied the patch. This is fairly obvious that the game shipped w/ ability to use Les Paul but last minute POLITICAL issues probably made them push out the inhibitor in the patch. Again, probably to make a POLITICAL statement to get Red Octane to open up their standard. That's fine MHX is trying to make a political statement, but don't do it on customers' expense when this bundle is $179+, and ESPECIALLY right before the holidays! Do it on your own time and at your own expense!

Smoking gun: GH1&2 controllers ARE OPEN STANDARD. So what's the excuse now? If you're not going to get GH3 working because of the lame excuse, then at least get us working w/ the PS2 guitars (via converter) so that we can all have a happy holidays.

[mamoulian]

We are looking into all these issues and taking them seriously. Where is this posting you are referencing?

Hi,

Please could you post this to thread 8239 (http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=8239&page=50)?
It's reached 50 pages now, the comment above from an official person would calm everyone down and make them a lot happier :-)

Cheers
Neil

[GHudston]

TOTAL BS you guys. Stop being such HMX fanboys.. there's already been numerous reports of people being able to use the GH3 guitar on Rockband PS3 *UNTIL* they applied the patch. This is fairly obvious that the game shipped w/ ability to use Les Paul but last minute POLITICAL issues probably made them push out the inhibitor in the patch. Again, probably to make a POLITICAL statement to get Red Octane to open up their standard. That's fine MHX is trying to make a political statement, but don't do it on customers' expense when this bundle is $179+, and ESPECIALLY right before the holidays! Do it on your own time and at your own expense!

Smoking gun: GH1&2 controllers ARE OPEN STANDARD. So what's the excuse now? If you're not going to get GH3 working because of the lame excuse, then at least get us working w/ the PS2 guitars (via converter) so that we can all have a happy holidays.

Are you kidding? I'm hoping that was sarcasm to be honest.

The control was discovered to not work before the game was even released by a few people who got a copy from a store which broke the release date. (NOT the demo)

Also not totally sure what controller compatibility has to do with politics. :)

[KaYotiX]

Blame it on SONY's horribly put together console.......sorry PS3 guys but you need to admit they dropped the ball on it. I sold mine a few months ago....

[ShadowOfEden]

Ok, to help people understand the problem with the Les Paul for the PS3 is that the little nut that is used to connect the guitar to the ps3 is a converter to trick the ps3 into thinking it is a normal controller and not a special controller. There is no way that RB is responsible for the way someone else programs their guitar. Stop griping about it and send them a nice email or ask the ones that visit this forum. That is what I did.

They're not responsible that the GHIII guitar doesn't work, but they are responsible for not making the GHIII guitar work, if you understand the nuance.


Les Paul is about the only other guitar available for PS3, yet the game states "Works with most guitars", but the main one doesn't. I wouldn't mind buying a second guitar, but I don't feel waiting 2 months for it and even missing all the holiday parties. Either patch it or make the guitar purchasable now.

[GHudston]

Blame it on SONY's horribly put together console.......sorry PS3 guys but you need to admit they dropped the ball on it. I sold mine a few months ago....

I would have to agree with you, I'm seriously irked at Sony right now as I've discovered today that they discontinued the 60gb model without replacing it with anything here in the UK. Now we're stuck with no backwards compatibility. But that's another matter.

I'm not a fanboy of either console (as a matter of fact I agree with all the complaints from both sides, especially as I've been one of the unlucky MANY who had their xbox practically melt just because I dared to play some games on it.)

Fact is though, anyone who is importing rock band needs to get it on the ps3 (which is why I'm buying one) else we have to wait until some unspecific date next year to play this otherwise stunning game.

[ShadowOfEden]

Blame it on SONY's horribly put together console.......sorry PS3 guys but you need to admit they dropped the ball on it. I sold mine a few months ago....

Blame it on the fanboys. Gamers ftw! Open standards are better for some, but not for everyone. Some devs will use it very well, like Epic, and support any mouse and keyboard or mods from users. MS's closed standards cannot support this. But closed standards have an advantage to protect customers agaisnt lazy devs, because devs are forced to respect some lines if they want their game on the X360, while they can pull the crap they want on the PS3. There's pros and cons on both sides. I own both consoles and decided to buy Rock Band on PS3 for the wireless guitars, because wires are horrible in a party with some drunk people around.

[TigerVoss]

If the Harmonix people do indeed monitor their fan forums, then this is the right place to inform them of our dicontent with their product, which can be fixed at their will.
I have jumped through the hoops they wanted, I contacted Activision and Red Octane, only to get responses that it needs to be brought up with EA. They have yet to respond, but it should be noted that since Harmonix "got into bed" with EA, it is there image and character that takes a blow if the bed is messy in the morning. EA is to big, and is notorious for releasing junk that needs a patch. You wanna run with the bad crowd Harmonix, then be prepared to be treated as such. I dont think you have the money to take PR hits like EA does, or are they holding you under lock and key in a sweatshop and wont allow you to make a statement.
Dont think your to big to be held accountable...yet!

[mltdwn]

They're not responsible that the GHIII guitar doesn't work, but they are responsible for not making the GHIII guitar work, if you understand the nuance.


Les Paul is about the only other guitar available for PS3, yet the game states "Works with most guitars", but the main one doesn't. I wouldn't mind buying a second guitar, but I don't feel waiting 2 months for it and even missing all the holiday parties. Either patch it or make the guitar purchasable now.

Um... You know there is a little something, at least in the US, called Patent law... If they happen to reverse engineer the LP and get it working on the PS3 and don't have RO's permission (which from what I could tell they asked when they were making the game if they could make it interoperable and RO told them no) they could be sued for patent violation. I would rather the LP on the PS3 NOT work, then for it to be patched, some PS3 players to love them for it, and then HMX be forced to not make RB2 because they get sued into non-existance.

Now again this is all just supposition of what I think happened happened (i.e. RO intentionally made the LP the way they did on the PS3 to prevent RB from working with it). I could be wrong, and hopefully I am. But until we actually hear anything further it's kind of pointless to continually rant on the same subject which they are no doubt looking into.

[vectorz]

Are you kidding? I'm hoping that was sarcasm to be honest.

The control was discovered to not work before the game was even released by a few people who got a copy from a store which broke the release date. (NOT the demo)

Also not totally sure what controller compatibility has to do with politics. :)

No I'm not being sarcastic. If you read all the posts on this thread, there were 2 people who confirmed that LP GH3 guitar worked just prior to installing the patch! This was on the special edition released yesterday, NOT any demo so stop assuming.

Also, what about the smoking gun statement I made, genius? GH1&2 controllers for PS2 ARE open standard, and therefoer HMX should be able to make them work w/ ps2->ps3 converter right? What's the excuse NOW? Afterall, HMX was the team that DEVELOPED the GH1 & 2 games afterall so they know EXACTLY how to code it! Excuses... Covering up their political statement. How convenient.

[Ultrace]

The 360 works and the PS3 doesn't because MS has different requirements for peripherals than Sony does. MS requires ALL peripheral manufacturers for the 360 to make their devices match certain standards (i.e. the red button HAS to send a red button code, it can't send a special code for that particular hardware which your software then interprets as a red button press). They do this so that if say Company X makes hardware piece Y it HAS to work with all software that uses that kind of device.
This is especially true because of the requirements for wireless controllers on the 360. The expensive protocols and steps required for the LP to be wireless there made the LP controller adaptable within the realm of RB because they had to adhere to that standard. Going with that standard would have cost extra money that Harmonix instead put toward the 360 hub (so that 360s wouldn't risk burning out from the power drain), so the strat on 360 is wireless. But we're extremely fortunate that RO was determined to make the LP wireless and not wired, or it might not have been compatible on the 360 after all.

[GHudston]

No I'm not being sarcastic. If you read all the posts on this thread, there were 2 people who confirmed that LP GH3 guitar worked just prior to installing the patch! This was on the special edition released yesterday, NOT any demo so stop assuming.

Also, what about the smoking gun statement I made, genius? GH1&2 controllers for PS2 ARE open standard, and therefoer HMX should be able to make them work w/ ps2->ps3 converter right? What's the excuse NOW? How convenient.

Ok well I agree that the PS2 controls SHOULD work. I don't have an answer for that, I'm not saying that it's NOT HMX's fault that all this happened I just want to point out that there have been a number of reports that the Les Paul doesn't work before the patch came out. IGN even tested it on Monday.

About the posts in this thread... I can't see any, now I'm not discounting what you're saying because I might just be making a fool of myself by missing something obvious.

Could you quote them for me?

[ShadowOfEden]

Um... You know there is a little something, at least in the US, called Patent law... If they happen to reverse engineer the LP and get it working on the PS3 and don't have RO's permission (which from what I could tell they asked when they were making the game if they could make it interoperable and RO told them no) they could be sued for patent violation. I would rather the LP on the PS3 NOT work, then for it to be patched, some PS3 players to love them for it, and then HMX be forced to not make RB2 because they get sued into non-existance.

Now again this is all just supposition of what I think happened happened (i.e. RO intentionally made the LP the way they did on the PS3 to prevent RB from working with it). I could be wrong, and hopefully I am. But until we actually hear anything further it's kind of pointless to continually rant on the same subject which they are no doubt looking into.

I'm pretty sure it is not a patent issue, or else 1. The Fender alone would violate the patent. 2. It wouldn't work on the X360.

[lynx44]

Um... You know there is a little something, at least in the US, called Patent law... If they happen to reverse engineer the LP and get it working on the PS3 and don't have RO's permission (which from what I could tell they asked when they were making the game if they could make it interoperable and RO told them no) they could be sued for patent violation. I would rather the LP on the PS3 NOT work, then for it to be patched, some PS3 players to love them for it, and then HMX be forced to not make RB2 because they get sued into non-existance.

Now again this is all just supposition of what I think happened happened (i.e. RO intentionally made the LP the way they did on the PS3 to prevent RB from working with it). I could be wrong, and hopefully I am. But until we actually hear anything further it's kind of pointless to continually rant on the same subject which they are no doubt looking into.

There's nothing illegal about reverse engineering something. Its like saying its illegal to use your PS2 (or any other system, for that matter) peripherals as a game controller on your computer. There's absolutely nothing illegal about making that product work with something else, its when you copy something that you have to worry about it. In this case, the only illegal thing they could do is steal the code (which obviously wouldn't happen) from Neversoft and use that in their own code. As long as they write it themselves, they are in no violation, which would obviously be the case.

[TheWabbit]

Reverse engineering is most likely a violation of patent law. But it is a violation to use a computer controller on PS3 and 360 if patented technology is used. The 360 wireless is patented technology and I'm guessing the PS3 controller signals are too.

Sony and RO screwed up here. They knew what signals would would work in Rock Band. RO didn't have to change them for GHIII. They did and now PS3 players are the ones that have to deal with it.

A smart 3rd party vendor would quicly build a guitar that can switch in the hardware from a GH to RB signal.

[TuRDMaN]

TOTAL BS you guys. Stop being such HMX fanboys..
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Smoking gun: GH1&2 controllers ARE OPEN STANDARD. So what's the excuse now? If you're not going to get GH3 working because of the lame excuse, then at least get us working w/ the PS2 guitars (via converter) so that we can all have a happy holidays.
Why do people keep ignoring this fact??? I have 2 PS2 GH2 guitars sitting here, just waiting to be used in Rock Band. There's NO excuse for this. Hell, Harmonix could even release their own PS2 -> PS3 adapter for them and make a killing (sucking even more cash out of us). I'd rather go that route than use the GHIII guitar anyway.

[ShadowOfEden]

Reverse engineering is most likely a violation of patent law. But it is a violation to use a computer controller on PS3 and 360 if patented technology is used. The 360 wireless is patented technology and I'm guessing the PS3 controller signals are too.


The Sixaxis use standards bluetooth or USB, it can connect to any PCs with Bluetooth or USB ports. It's not a violation to use it on non-Sony hardware. The PS3 Les Paul doesn't use Bluetooth, I think it uses Wi-Fi, since it requires an USB adaptor.

[SuburbanHell]

LP issue? Did I miss something?

[skagen]

LP issue? Did I miss something?

Yes, the LP for the PS3 does not work with rockband, NOR does ANY ps3 guitar, EVEN WHEN HARMONIX MADE THEM!!! USING OPEN STANDARDS!!! (yes using all caps shows my frustration)

[lynx44]

Reverse engineering is most likely a violation of patent law. But it is a violation to use a computer controller on PS3 and 360 if patented technology is used. The 360 wireless is patented technology and I'm guessing the PS3 controller signals are too.

Sony and RO screwed up here. They knew what signals would would work in Rock Band. RO didn't have to change them for GHIII. They did and now PS3 players are the ones that have to deal with it.

A smart 3rd party vendor would quicly build a guitar that can switch in the hardware from a GH to RB signal.

I don't see how this could possibly be any violation. If they use patented technology, and it works on the PS3, those patents are just on how they made it work to get the signals from the guitar to the usb dongle. Once the signals have been sent to the PS3 from the USB dongle, all that needs to be done is interpreting them. Even if they have a patent on all of that, Harmonix wouldn't be stealing anything. Again, if they stole the code (somehow) from Neversoft and the integrated it in, it would be illegal. Since the signals are being sent to the PS3, they aren't in any violation. I guess its possible that with the DMCA or something, they made it illegal so that in some form of the law it could be, but in this case I really doubt that anything applies. Besides, if it does, then they better disable the 360 functionality, because it works on that system.

For example, if you call me on the phone and use a patented language (if thats even possible), and I figure out what you mean, am I in patent violation? I am in no wrong doing unless I steal your book that translates your language to something I can understand.

[BathTub]

Hmm I suspect the issue lies with Harmonix doing a peripheral type check on the instruments. From what I have heard so far if you plug in the guitar, the game knows you are on the guitar and automatically selects guitar solo career. plug in the Drums, it does the same thing. plug in a controller, it asks for the Microphone. And isn't that the same thing as when you plug in the LP?

Somethign I haven't heard yet, is it possible to play the guitar portion with the drum kit, or the sixaxis controller? or the drum portion with a guitar or sixaxis? Almost sounds like you can't.

So since the LP doesn't identify itself the way the strat does eg. 'Hi, player 2 is using the guitar!', the game considers it a default controller and not allowed to be used.

Anything above incorrect? I don't have the game yet, so this is guessing, but I think it fits the information so far.

[eVan_Diesel]

Yea, except why can the 360 do it and the PS3 can't?

[TuRDMaN]

So since the LP doesn't identify itself the way the strat does eg. 'Hi, player 2 is using the guitar!', the game considers it a default controller and not allowed to be used.

That is exactly correct. Makes me wonder about these "open standards". This whole problem could have been eliminated if they just allowed you to play with a standard controller and implement some sort of key mapping (like what you see in any PC game). Then any guitar peripheral would work. I guess that would have been too easy...

[Silent88]

For the patch issue...I heard that it takes a while for a company to release a patch in a quick manner.

Sony's standards require the company to go through a long process just so the patch could be approved.

[IndyDevil]

There's nothing illegal about reverse engineering something. Its like saying its illegal to use your PS2 (or any other system, for that matter) peripherals as a game controller on your computer. There's absolutely nothing illegal about making that product work with something else, its when you copy something that you have to worry about it. In this case, the only illegal thing they could do is steal the code (which obviously wouldn't happen) from Neversoft and use that in their own code. As long as they write it themselves, they are in no violation, which would obviously be the case.
Apparently you didn't read your GHIII manual: "ACTIVISION AUTHORIZES USE OF THIS GUITAR HERO™ CONTROLLER ONLY WITH A GUITAR HERO™ GAME PRODUCT OR OTHER ACTIVISION BRANDED PRODUCT. ACTIVISION EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS THE USE OF THIS GUITAR HERO™ CONTROLLER WITH ANY OTHER GAME. NO OTHER LICENSE, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, IS GRANTED." I don't think that means the feds are going to be breaking down your door for trying to use it, but on the purely legal side, Harmonix could probably get in trouble if it suggested that the LP could be used in RB.

-ID

[eVan_Diesel]

Apparently you didn't read your GHIII manual: "ACTIVISION AUTHORIZES USE OF THIS GUITAR HERO™ CONTROLLER ONLY WITH A GUITAR HERO™ GAME PRODUCT OR OTHER ACTIVISION BRANDED PRODUCT. ACTIVISION EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS THE USE OF THIS GUITAR HERO™ CONTROLLER WITH ANY OTHER GAME. NO OTHER LICENSE, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, IS GRANTED." I don't think that means the feds are going to be breaking down your door for trying to use it, but on the purely legal side, Harmonix could probably get in trouble if it suggested that the LP could be used in RB.

-ID

I used it to play Puzzle Fighter the other day. Activision should sue Capcom for allowing it to be used with their game.

[ShadowOfEden]

For the patch issue...I heard that it takes a while for a company to release a patch in a quick manner.

Sony's standards require the company to go through a long process just so the patch could be approved.

That's true. Patches have to go throught like over a week of testing, to make sure install of the patch will no brick the console or give issues to what was already stable in game. But I wouldn't mind waiting after knowing that a patch is coming.

[eVan_Diesel]

That's true. Patches have to go throught like over a week of testing, to make sure install of the patch will no brick the console or give issues to what was already stable in game. But I wouldn't mind waiting after knowing that a patch is coming.

It's not like they didn't know it wasn't gonna work. You can't expect me to believe that no single person at Harmonix thought to stick a GH3 Les Paul in a PS3 and see if it worked? BS.

[darien87]

Bottom line is this: why the hell did Harmonix put out a game that CANNOT function the way it was advertised?!?!? (Unless you have a 360 anyway). You're supposed to be able to play with 4 people, (2 guitars, a singer and a drummer), and right now you can't. And if we're to wait for stand-alone guitars to come out, it's gonna be another 2 months!!!

That's like buying a car and having the salesman tell you that you can't drive over 20 miles an hour for a couple of months!!! LAME!!!

[lynx44]

Apparently you didn't read your GHIII manual: "ACTIVISION AUTHORIZES USE OF THIS GUITAR HERO™ CONTROLLER ONLY WITH A GUITAR HERO™ GAME PRODUCT OR OTHER ACTIVISION BRANDED PRODUCT. ACTIVISION EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS THE USE OF THIS GUITAR HERO™ CONTROLLER WITH ANY OTHER GAME. NO OTHER LICENSE, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, IS GRANTED." I don't think that means the feds are going to be breaking down your door for trying to use it, but on the purely legal side, Harmonix could probably get in trouble if it suggested that the LP could be used in RB.

-ID

Hahah, believe it or not you're right, I didn't read the manual. I know most of us come straight home and start studying the manual to find the legal issues as to how we are allowed to use each game, I guess I'm the odd man out.

Anyway, thats a good point, but they have absolutely no right to tell me what I can do with it after I've purchased the product. Its not their guitar, its my guitar now, they can't tell me I can't use it in any way I wish, there certainly is no law about that. I don't recall signing an agreement that says that. Just because they write it doesn't make it a legal contract.

-Matt