Do you Dislike Post-Hardcore and 'Screamo'?

[kaybee]

I know there is a rift forming on this forum regarding some current music (namely Post-Hardcore and whatever technical term different people are using for what a lot would call emo/screamo). I personally love this stuff but 6-7 years ago I thought screaming was absolutely awful. I found that my adjustment to this stuff was pretty gradual and at first there were few artists that I could genuinely say "Yes, I like that".

Another identifying factor with these genres that I didn't enjoy at first was the subject matter. Suicide and self loathing aside, most songs are about love, specifically young love. This is not unlike most popular music. Now most of these artists aren't Maynard James Keenan so we can't expect some sort of brilliant meta-physical discovery or anything like that but depending on the context the lyrics can be mature.

Anyways, these are just a few songs I'd like some nay sayers to listen to. These are some songs that I absolutely adore and helped break me into the genres and the specific artist.
Please enjoy with open eyes and open ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MkVIe9xGc
New Noise by Refused
This is basically a post-hardcore anthem. Although these guys disbanded in '98 this personal heart-song feels completely at home mingling with today's most popular 'screamo'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n0Zi_LDA6I
Seven Years by Saosin
Anthony Green (vocalist) is a 'wow' in my books. Beautiful singing voice and an unmatched scream. His new acts are a little more grown up and he traded in his polished black mop for a Henry Rollins package but he is forever the voice of Saosin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qYbtRVNno
Accidents by Alexisonfire
Even though I had always had a deep seeded love for my local heroes many of my friends didn't click with them until their second album released and Accidents was the 'it' song in the hardcore scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYURUGUhpnk
How it Goes by Billy Talent [LIVE]
So these guys are a big commercial success in lots of countries around the world and I bet most of the forum population has heard a bunch of BT singles on the radio or in public places. I didn't automatically latch onto Billy Talent until the first time I heard them live... theses
guys are leagues better live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ecAyTL1psE
Sic Transit Gloria...Glory Fades by Brand New
These guys weild words like rapiers. They probably have no business saying what they do but who am I to judge. These guys are the quotes in everyone's MSN names while we went to highschool. ~ "he whispers that he loves her but shes probably only looking for ss..soo much more than he could ever give" ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPO7wYkumlI
The Smile, The Face by Emery
This is a very recent demonstration of Emery's post hardcore prowress but it is probably the most realistic example of what Emery is. Viscious and beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JudSqfqw9E
Priest and the Matador by Senses Fail
This song is a little low key for Senses Fail but its a good break-in point with this band. Very simple concept with a classic song structure. Good vocals from Buddy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwqx8N-MHww
Head Like A Hole by A.F.I. [NIN Cover]
So some may say this is a disgrace to Nine Inch Nails but there is no disputing that this is in some ways at least a great cover. It's a lot denser sonically than the original but it does lack some of the earnestness Trent brought to the original.



Hope some of you enjoyed your listen. It's no coincidence I think these songs would make great inclusions for Rock Band.

(Please note I didn't create this thread to argue about genres and I am aware that some of these songs are stretching the post-hardcore boundaries)

[kingtonyx]

great choices, I'd probably pay $20 to have all of these songs

also Trent Reznor himself has said good things about AFI's Head Like A Hole cover

[kaybee]

great choices, I'd probably pay $20 to have all of these songs

also Trent Reznor himself has said good things about AFI's Head Like A Hole cover

Glad to hear Trent thinks that.
I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say this was AFI's best release on December even if it was a bonus track.

[afterstasis]

Glad to hear Trent thinks that.
I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say this was AFI's best release on December even if it was a bonus track.

i just realized who you are... damn avatar change!

i've been on my quest for new screamo that i don't hate, and i've found some pretty cool stuff. i'm gonna make you a list soon, and see what you think.

just try not to change your avatar anytime soon, or i'm screwed. :)

[kaybee]

i just realized who you are... damn avatar change!

i've been on my quest for new screamo that i don't hate, and i've found some pretty cool stuff. i'm gonna make you a list soon, and see what you think.

just try not to change your avatar anytime soon, or i'm screwed. :)

I changed my avatar a while back when I was drumming up excitement for Sonic the Hedgehog music haha. I think I'm sticking with Tails for a while now.

I'm looking forward to the list. I'm actually at a kind of stale point in my musical listening. I even went so far as to subscribe to AP... so far it's not helping haha.

[Transbrak]

Honestly, I like the first song....alot.

But I can't get into the rest.

Recommend more based on the first song and I'll check em out or maybe I'm just too hard to please and should stick to non screaming stuff :p

I'm not against screaming vocals but there has to be something there I like and latch onto...same way with genres like metal. I can't stand 90% of todays metal but there are some bands that I hear and go wow thats good when there's a band that sounds exactly the same and I can't stand.

[Chewcamcblefleh]

Yeah! Billy Talent! WE NEED MORE BILLY TALENT! EVERYONE! LET'S START A RIOT(Ozzy Ozbourne lime!) BOYCOTT FOR BILLY TALENT!

[kaybee]

Honestly, I like the first song....alot.

But I can't get into the rest.

Recommend more based on the first song and I'll check em out or maybe I'm just too hard to please and should stick to non screaming stuff :p

I'm not against screaming vocals but there has to be something there I like and latch onto...same way with genres like metal. I can't stand 90% of todays metal but there are some bands that I hear and go wow thats good when there's a band that sounds exactly the same and I can't stand.

Thats a bit tough as Refused is pretty unique. They were way ahea dof the curve as well so they have very few contemporaries with a similar sound. Refused has always been pretty accessible (especially their last album) because of their tasty riffs and healthy balance of screaming and other vocal stylings.

If you like New Noise you'd probably like the rest of the album, it's called 'The Shape of Punk to Come'. Even that title is a prophecy that is fulfilled with the amount of mentoring that album provided to newer artists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFbYAoFs_Is&feature=related
The second song that starts at about 5mins into that clip is my favourite from the album.

[HeavyMetalKing]

I enjoy this type of music. My favorite post-hardcore band would have to be Chiodos (now watch me be wrong about their genre...I'm just going by what Wikipedia used to say, before they completely removed genre tags from the band pages).

[kingtonyx]

why did Wiki do that? lame

[HeavyMetalKing]

I think because there were people getting up in arms about how various bands were being categorized, and so to save the trouble of fans constantly editing the pages they just said screw it.

[kaybee]

Makes sense.
Judging by the amount this forum argues about genres ;).

[HeavyMetalKing]

So is Chiodos considered post-hardcore then?

[kaybee]

So is Chiodos considered post-hardcore then?

Thats where I put them. Some may argue otherwise but that is a good fit in my books.

[afterstasis]

here's a list of modern screamo and post-hardcore bands that i'm currently digging. i tried to stick to bands formed in the last 8 years. be warned that these bands draw a lot of their inspiration from older emo/screamo/post-hardcore bands, and thus sound a lot different from what many people are used to hearing.

i'm not sure if youtube will yield much luck with a lot of these names, but you'll find last.fm has a pretty good deal of listenable samples... i suppose myspace might work as well.
i found the majority of this stuff on soulseek, but i urge anyone who goes that route to try to put some cash into the pockets of these bands in some manner.


wrong day to quit
raein
a day in black and white
gantz
amanda woodward
thank god
la quiete
i would set myself on fire for you
ampere
belle epoque
sed non satiata
louise cyphre
daitro
the saddest landscape
mara'akate
daniel striped tiger
life is a fight
yage
lickgoldensky
pyramids
heaven in her arms
june paik
wolves
life at these speeds
the apoplexy twist orchestra
mihai edrisch
gauge means nothing
harmonielehre
sinaloa
noisy sins of the insect

if the OP thinks this list is out of place here, or just takes up to much room then i'll edit it to say something funny like "poo-poo head".

[a28ozSlurpee]

Yes please to any Brand New or Emery. :)

[kaybee]

Sounds like I have some work cut out for me. Hopefully it's enjoyable work. Thanks afterstasis.

[Fender731]

I mean some of its OK, not that great..

[Plan B]

I love it!
It's an acquired taste, for sure, though.

The first ones I listened to that got me hooked were Dead Poetic's "New Medicines" album, and Emery's "The Weaks End" album.
It's been getting heavier and heavier from there...

[kaybee]

I love it!
It's an acquired taste, for sure, though.

The first ones I listened to that got me hooked were Dead Poetic's "New Medicines" album, and Emery's "The Weaks End" album.
It's been getting heavier and heavier from there...

Great albums.
I always use Emery as a stepping stone. Two vocalists, melody driven and all.

[Wertty]

The Blood Brothers, that's all.
A static lullaby ( Minus Faso Latido STAY AWAY FROM THAT) and Thursday are mighty nice too.

ANd afterstasis, I love you for naming some GOOD screamo bands.
Listen to some Circle Takes the Square sometime.
They were the first screamo band I ever got into and I hear they're pretty nice live too.

[afterstasis]

ANd afterstasis, I love you for naming some GOOD screamo bands.
Listen to some Circle Takes the Square sometime.
They were the first screamo band I ever got into and I hear they're pretty nice live too.

i actually just checked, and they haven't been around as i previously thought.
otherwise i would have definitely included them because they're great.

[Wertty]

i actually just checked, and they haven't been around as i previously thought.
otherwise i would have definitely included them because they're great.
Ha, yeahh.
They deserve to be alot more popular than they are.
I can kinda see why they aren't though, since everyone I show them to kindof just think they're noise.
Oh, And Hot Cross is a definite listen-to too.

[afterstasis]

Ha, yeahh.
They deserve to be alot more popular than they are.
I can kinda see why they aren't though, since everyone I show them to kindof just think they're noise.
Oh, And Hot Cross is a definite listen-to too.

wow, i thought they were really accessible. that's not the first time i was wrong about something like that though...

and yeah, hot cross rules... ampere and bucket full of teeth are also growing on me.

i'll probably always prefer orchid though...

[kaybee]

I know in my circle of friends and musicians we always kinda referred to 'Circle takes the Square' as a throw-back sound. They certainly don't just sound like noise to my ears.

[Ryuzaki]

Is it supposed to be Alex-Is-On-Fire or Alexis-On-Fire? I could never figure that one out...

[afterstasis]

on that note there's a band called "tang" whom were described to me as a cross between screamo, post-rock, and harsh noise.

being a fan of all three genres, i'm on the prowl for one of their albums.

[kaybee]

Is it supposed to be Alex-Is-On-Fire or Alexis-On-Fire? I could never figure that one out...

Alexis-On-Fire ;)
George (the scream vocals) responded to a fan question that was identical to yours. It was something like this:

Fan - "Is it Alexis-on-fire or Alex-is-on-fire?"
George - "Alex-is-on-fire? thats a dumb name for a band."

I think it's still on the band's FAQ section on their website.

[TkDiamonD]

yes.

10char

[Gowienczyk]

Actual post-hardcore? Yes.

Faux-post-hardcore via pop-rock? No.

[kaybee]

Actual post-hardcore? Yes.

Faux-post-hardcore via pop-rock? No.

Haha I'm well versed with your opinions. Do me a huge favour and give those few songs on the first page a listen and tell me what you think?

[Gowienczyk]

Haha I'm well versed with your opinions. Do me a huge favour and give those few songs on the first page a listen and tell me what you think?

I've listened to most of them before and only half (or less) were actual post-hardcore.

[uncincy23]

The things I'd do for music from this genre.

I'd prefer no more AFI tho. and a song of Senses Fail's Let It Enfold You album instead tho. and ESCAPE THE FATE!!... maybe some Greeley Estates. Nice call on Saosin tho!.. I think some Circa Survive and Chiodos would work well also.

[kaybee]

I've listened to most of them before and only half (or less) were actual post-hardcore.

Yea I'm just tagging so that everyone can understand. I'm wayyyy tired of trying to label all these guys 100% accurately. I can say I'm pretty confident none of my picks are what constitute pop-rock. The Brand New track may be close.

[Gowienczyk]

Yea I'm just tagging so that everyone can understand. I'm wayyyy tired of trying to label all these guys 100% accurately. I can say I'm pretty confident none of my picks are what constitute pop-rock. The Brand New track may be close.

Billy Talent is a highly energetic rock band that mixes several pop elements. So yeah, I am pretty confident you are wrong to a degree. Some bands could just be set as 'rock'. But still, half of that was hardly post-hardcore.


Post-Hardcore thread: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86747

[kaybee]

Billy Talent is a highly energetic rock band that mixes several pop elements. So yeah, I am pretty confident you are wrong to a degree. Some bands could just be set as 'rock'. But still, half of that was hardly post-hardcore.


Post-Hardcore thread: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86747

Remember I am also using these examples as gateways for people that can't get past the fact that screaming is so prevalent in a lot of modern music.

[Gowienczyk]

Remember I am also using these examples as gateways for people that can't get past the fact that screaming is so prevalent in a lot of modern music.

Screaming =/= Screamo and Post-Hardcore

[kaybee]

Screaming =/= Screamo and Post-Hardcore

I realize that; however it is a very visible element of the genres. Trust me I am attempting a good thing here. ;)

[Gowienczyk]

I realize that; however it is a very visible element of the genres. Trust me I am attempting a good thing here. ;)

Yes. But to open the genre, you should yknow open with bands actually in the genre.

[kaybee]

Yes. But to open the genre, you should yknow open with bands actually in the genre.

Ok so I could remove the AFI, Billy Talent, Saosin and Brand New entries and I think I'd have something pretty well suited to your opinion of what Post-Hardcore is.

[kaybee]

I'd say that if 50% of that list fits the "Gowie's Post-Hardcore Model' and the other entries are similar stylistically then I've done a fairly good job of providing a gateway.

[Gowienczyk]

Ok so I could remove the AFI, Billy Talent, Saosin and Brand New entries and I think I'd have something pretty well suited to your opinion of what Post-Hardcore is.

Saosin (some songs) would be fine, though they are a bad example of this wave, imo.

[Salmonpants]

Answer to the initial question:

Y E S

[kingtonyx]

if you go for "true" post-hardcore (musical elitism is the worst thing ever btw) to intro someone, you're going to be a LOT less likely to draw them in

[Lethal-Infection]

These are some good groups, but I would like more bands like, burden of a day, the devils wears prada, Emarosa, Alesana and maybe some even heavier musik like Bring me the horizon and job for a cowboy would be awsome, I think this kind if musik is what rockband really dont have any of so, It would be awsome

[RedRaptor]

Love some more of the "Emo/Poprock" stuff, but not a TON of screamo. I like it and I dont. About the furthest I would go is RJA and Rise Against(Prolly not even screamo).

[Plan B]

Love some more of the "Emo/Poprock"

AKA Third Wave Emo.

[Dr. Wagner]

I don't like what is today called "post-hardcore" or "screamo". Ironically, two of my favorite bands, At The Drive-In and Refused, are usually grouped into these categories and seen as influences on todays post-hardcore/screamo bands. Today's bands have veered too much into screamo/emo/pop punk territory and whine too much about girls and how much they hate themselves. That's not punk rock. Scene kids and Hot Topic are not punk rock.

[afterstasis]

I don't like what is today called "post-hardcore" or "screamo". Ironically, two of my favorite bands, At The Drive-In and Refused, are usually grouped into these categories and seen as influences on todays post-hardcore/screamo bands. Today's bands have veered too much into screamo/emo/pop punk territory and whine too much about girls and how much they hate themselves. That's not punk rock. Scene kids and Hot Topic are not punk rock.

if you're not feeling modern mainstream screamo, give some of the stuff i posted on the 2nd page a try...
i'm in a similar boat, but recently got my ear twisted for not trying harder to find modern bands still influenced by the old styles and i've found some good stuff, i'd say.

most of it's definitely more chaotic and noisy than the two bands you mentioned (which is natural, considering most of these bands are aiming for a more 1st wave sound), but they definitely don't sound like you'd except modern screamo to sound like...

[Dr. Wagner]

if you're not feeling modern mainstream screamo, give some of the stuff i posted on the 2nd page a try...
i'm in a similar boat, but recently got my ear twisted for not trying harder to find modern bands still influenced by the old styles and i've found some good stuff, i'd say.

most of it's definitely more chaotic and noisy than the two bands you mentioned (which is natural, considering most of these bands are aiming for a more 1st wave sound), but they definitely don't sound like you'd except modern screamo to sound like...

You seem to know your stuff afterstasis, I'll give them a try. Any recommendation which bands to begin with?

[mememe]

No, they suck. Their fans are moronic, hyperactive teens and no one else. And no tony, musical elitism is at least better than being openminded to every dumbass opinion in the universe like a douchebag.

Comparing rise against to Metallica is no different than comparing a bum to a CEO, if you're openminded enough to think they're equal in any way you're just an idiot. Simple.

[afterstasis]

You seem to know your stuff afterstasis, I'll give them a try. Any recommendation which bands to begin with?

i would set myself on fire for you is a good pick if you like a little more variety in your music. they manage to work in quite a bit, though they also veer into straight-up emo material at times.

wolves are great if you're into the more chaotic stuff, particularly considering they have former members of orchid.

a day in black and white are satisfyingly melodic and more in line with classic post-hardcore and post-punk bands such as fugazi and sonic youth.

i'm pretty certain all three bands have free samples on last.fm.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

The music is good but when the guy starts screaming, I just lose all interest, I mean I can scream but who wants to hear that?

[kaybee]

The music is good but when the guy starts screaming, I just lose all interest, I mean I can scream but who wants to hear that?

You have to find a screamer you like. At first it all sounds the same and then a few guys start to stick out.

And thanks for understanding what I'm trying to do Tony!

And Afterstasis I've been cruising myspace to find these acts and so far I'm enjoying some of what I hear. I think I really like Wolves if I remember correctly. I still have about half of your list to go. Thanks again. They sorta remind me of some The Sound of Animals fighting, very different vocals but the intensity is there.

[afterstasis]

And Afterstasis I've been cruising myspace to find these acts and so far I'm enjoying some of what I hear. I think I really like Wolves if I remember correctly. I still have about half of your list to go. Thanks again.

tip of the hat to you, good sir.

i did find a bit of the previously mentioned band called "tang", and i was kinda disappointed. the album i downloaded is pretty generic.
i'll look for their newest one. i'd really like to hear screamo and harsh noise collide.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

You have to find a screamer you like. At first it all sounds the same and then a few guys start to stick out.

And thanks for understanding what I'm trying to do Tony!

And Afterstasis I've been cruising myspace to find these acts and so far I'm enjoying some of what I hear. I think I really like Wolves if I remember correctly. I still have about half of your list to go. Thanks again. They sorta remind me of some The Sound of Animals fighting, very different vocals but the intensity is there.

I just hate all screaming, I like being able to pick out words from the songs I hear

[kaybee]

I just hate all screaming, I like being able to pick out words from the songs I hear

Honestly once you start listening to it more you do start to understand individual vocalists. Granted some are impossible... :rolleyes:

[afterstasis]

I just hate all screaming, I like being able to pick out words from the songs I hear

i can personally relate. there are a few more specific forms of vocals that i struggle to appreciate, and can really ruin otherwise enjoyable music for me.

unfortunately, a genre such as screamo probably won't be up your alley, but perhaps some milder post-hardcore could work for you. are you familiar with fugazi or husker du?

[Plan B]

I just hate all screaming, I like being able to pick out words from the songs I hear

Yeah, if you listen to the stuff for a bit, you'll eventually be able to understand all of it.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

i can personally relate. there are a few more specific forms of vocals that i struggle to appreciate, and can really ruin otherwise enjoyable music for me.

unfortunately, a genre such as screamo probably won't be up your alley, but perhaps some milder post-hardcore could work for you. are you familiar with fugazi or husker du?

I've heard the name Husker Du (isn't that the one from The Pixies loading info thing?) but I haven't heard of any songs, I'll go check it out though.

[afterstasis]

I've heard the name Husker Du (isn't that the one from The Pixies loading info thing?) but I haven't heard of any songs, I'll go check it out though.

yeah, i'm pretty sure they were mentioned in one or two of the loading screens.

they started out as an insanely rough hardcore punk band and drifted further and further away until they became a very accessible post-punk/alternative rock band...

they're one of my all-time favorite bands, and probably a pretty good way to ease people into post-punk and post-hardcore (though they don't have much material that sounds like many other bands of either genre).

fugazi, on the other hand, are probably the granddaddies of post-hardcore.

[kingtonyx]

if you're looking for screamers that you can understand I suggest...

Underoath (ONLY with Spencer... Dallas Taylor was hard to understand unless you knew the words) and Alexisonfire (usually)

[kingtonyx]

No, they suck. Their fans are moronic, hyperactive teens and no one else. And no tony, musical elitism is at least better than being openminded to every dumbass opinion in the universe like a douchebag.

Comparing rise against to Metallica is no different than comparing a bum to a CEO, if you're openminded enough to think they're equal in any way you're just an idiot. Simple.

being open-minded is always better than being closed-minded

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

yeah, i'm pretty sure they were mentioned in one or two of the loading screens.

they started out as an insanely rough hardcore punk band and drifted further and further away until they became a very accessible post-punk/alternative rock band...

they're one of my all-time favorite bands, and probably a pretty good way to ease people into post-punk and post-hardcore (though they don't have much material that sounds like many other bands of either genre).

fugazi, on the other hand, are probably the granddaddies of post-hardcore.

I just gave them both a listen and they sound like punk and it wasn't like the screamo I hear today so thats good, both songs I listened to were pretty good

[afterstasis]

I just gave them both a listen and they sound like punk and it wasn't like the screamo I hear today so thats good, both songs I listened to were pretty good

well, husker du honestly have nothing at all to do with screamo but are typically considered one of the first bands to literally go from hardcore to another style of music, thus being post-hardcore in spirit.

with fugazi you'll see more of the actual sound that influenced a lot of screamo bands.

[afterstasis]

No, they suck. Their fans are moronic, hyperactive teens and no one else. And no tony, musical elitism is at least better than being openminded to every dumbass opinion in the universe like a douchebag.

Comparing rise against to Metallica is no different than comparing a bum to a CEO, if you're openminded enough to think they're equal in any way you're just an idiot. Simple.

somehow i looked over this disgusting post...

quite possibly the most disrespectful, ignorant, and hateful thing i've seen on this forum.
welcome to the ignore-list.

[brno32]

Yes I like screaming. I would like to see more metalcore songs(All That Remains is Metalcore). Metalcore is fun on vocals between the screaming and singing on the Chorus.

YES MORE METAL

[kaybee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yM2C5lcYQ8
New Noise as performed by some french children!

This IS post-hardcore

[Mystlyfe77]

I do not particularly enjoy Post-hardcore, screamo, pop-emo, real emo, or most of the related genres. I respect some of the musicians and some of the innovations within the genre, but as a whole, I tend not to like the music. The composition style, common keys (or lack of), vocals, and other features just don't play well to me.

[Gowienczyk]

Love some more of the "Emo/Poprock" stuff, but not a TON of screamo. I like it and I dont. About the furthest I would go is RJA and Rise Against(Prolly not even screamo).

Not even screamo.

MTVmo sucks.

[Gowienczyk]

The music is good but when the guy starts screaming, I just lose all interest, I mean I can scream but who wants to hear that?

It fits the music. You can't have chaotic music with unchaotic vocals.

[John_S]

I'm not a big fan of Screamo. However, I do like Brand New, and would actually probably buy the whole album of Deja Entandu.

The problem is, the screaming in screamo feels pointless. It has no real feel or effect, rather than showing off the ability to scream. Most of the songs show real promise, but 90% of the time, the screaming ruins the song (however, certain bands, such as Brand New, and Scary Kids Scaring Kids) can pull it off.

[Oscar-Rio]

this type of music has very little appeal. The bands try too hard to be like every other band in the genre. One thing i always ask these bands when i interview them is "What separates you from all the other bands doing this style of music?"

[John_S]

Exactly, none really stand out or show any originality. While they have talent, they lack style.

[afterstasis]

this type of music has very little appeal. The bands try too hard to be like every other band in the genre. One think i always ask these bands when i interview them is "What separates you from all the other bands doing this style of music?"

even as a fan of the bands i listed on page 2, i'm personally craving some more "out there" bands...

so far envy, i would set myself on fire for you, and gauge means nothing are three of the only bands currently playing this style that have really surprised me by standing out from the pack without making it sound forced.

then again, i'll be the first to admit that i have this same problem with almost every genre of music...
especially my beloved black metal.

[Gowienczyk]

Exactly, none really stand out or show any originality. While they have talent, they lack style.

Except the bands you mentioned aren't a part of the genre, nor have either of you even heard it from what I've seen based on your posts.

=/

[Oscar-Rio]

even as a fan of the bands i listed on page 2, i'm personally craving some more "out there" bands...

so far envy, i would set myself on fire for you, and gauge means nothing are three of the only bands currently playing this style that have really surprised me by standing out from the pack without making it sound forced.

then again, i'll be the first to admit that i have this same problem with almost every genre of music...
especially my beloved black metal.


i'll check them out tomorrow. Too unmotivated to make musical opinions at this hour.

Agalloch FTW.

[afterstasis]

Except the bands you mentioned aren't a part of the genre, nor have either of you even heard it from what I've seen based on your posts.


hey dude, do you know of any really weird screamo bands? i tried to give danse macabre and giraffes? giraffes! a chance, but it's really not doing it for me...

this worked last time i claimed i couldn't find many current screamo bands worth listening to, so it's worth a shot!

[Oscar-Rio]

This message is hidden because Gowienczyk is on your ignore list.

not sure what that's about.

[John_S]

To Gowienczyk:

SKSK definately is, but Brand New is a bit of a stretch.

However, other screamo bands that many people seem to like, (BFMV, Atreyu), I find as complete unoriginal boring BS (newer Atreyu is ok, i guess, but still rather bland). We don't want to hear screaming. Just play the song without it, and it would be good.

The thread title poses a question, and we simply answered it.

Q: Do you Dislike Post-Hardcore and 'Screamo'?

A: Yes, I DO dislike such music. It has tasteless vocals that ruin the rest of the song.

EDIT: Just realized, that Brand New is even on the FIRST POST. While I personally like The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows to Sic Transit Gloria, Sic Transit Gloria is a decent song.

[Gowienczyk]

To Gowienczyk:

SKSK definately is, but Brand New is a bit of a stretch.

However, other screamo bands that many people seem to like, (BFMV, Atreyu), I find as complete unoriginal boring BS (newer Atreyu is ok, i guess, but still rather bland). We don't want to hear screaming. Just play the song without it, and it would be good.

The thread title poses a question, and we simply answered it.

Q: Do you Dislike Post-Hardcore and 'Screamo'?

A: Yes, I DO dislike such music. It has tasteless vocals that ruin the rest of the song.

None of that is screamo. Screamo was/is a movement that evolved out of bands like Indian Summer in the early 90s. Just because a band has harsh vocals does not make it "screamo". It has a specific and formulatic approach to post-hardcore music that is often poetic and emotive.

The bands you mentioned were rock (SKSK, BN) and metalcore. (atreyu, BFMV)

You should stop preaching when your knowledge is based off ignorance.

[John_S]

Brand New is in the first post...

GTFO, noob?

And no, it rarely evokes any emotion at all (Unless you call the sudden urge to press "stop" then "eject" an emotion). As I said it has tasteless vocals that ruin the song. And you just said the 2 bands that I thought were screamo weren't, so I officially hate all screamo. Wow, how relieving, I thought this crap might have the occasional good band. I guess not. Way to kill your own point. I hope you're the other guy's lawyer.

[Gowienczyk]

Brand New is in the first post...

GTFO, noob?

And no, it rarely evokes any emotion at all. As I said it has tasteless vocals that ruin the song. And you just said the 2 bands that I thought were screamo weren't, so I officially hate all screamo. Wow, how relieving, I thought this crap might have the occasional good band. I guess not. Way to kill your own point. I hope you're the other guy's lawyer.

You are childish and base your knowledge off ignorance. Have fun. You can say all you want, but you have no idea about the genre so you are hereby revoked of anything credible.

You haven't heard Funeral Diner, Orchid, Raein or any of the other frontrunners or pioneers. Get Out.

[afterstasis]

Brand New is in the first post...

GTFO, noob?

And no, it rarely evokes any emotion at all (Unless you call the sudden urge to press "stop" then "eject" an emotion). As I said it has tasteless vocals that ruin the song. And you just said the 2 bands that I thought were screamo weren't, so I officially hate all screamo. Wow, how relieving, I thought this crap might have the occasional good band. I guess not. Way to kill your own point. I hope you're the other guy's lawyer.

the point he's trying to make is that screamo was originally used to describe a style of music that you've honestly probably never heard (which is totally not an attack on you), but the term has been twisted around to describe other bands over recent years...

some people argue that times change and that these new bands can be considered a new wave of screamo (i personally disagree, but can respect others' thoughts on the matter), but there is a very small chance you've heard any of the bands who could be undoubtedly considered screamo...

here's a youtube clip of a band that could be considered one of the earlier screamo bands... it's very likely you won't enjoy it (which is cool, it's not meant to be very accessible), but i'm sure you'll agree that it's nothing like the bands you've mentioned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpS_1Mx78S8

[John_S]

I have heard of, and dislike, Orchid. The other two I will admit to having not heard of. But don't claim I do not know the music. I know people who are large fans of this, and I find that it is tasteless, evoking no emotion. Arguing what it is, however, is moot point. You still haven't reasoned what makes any of it original, or what makes it stand out. You argue with no substance, and no claim to stand by. I'm not saying it shouldn't be added in Rock Band, just that I don't like it. The instruments are good, but the vocals wreck the song. It's like if you were to take any classic album, and replace the singer with William Hung. The song is therefore ruined by a lack of medody. Harsh vocals do not equate to emotion. This is why I also dislike Metalcore and Death Metal. If they could actually give the voice melody, it might be good, because they would showcase the talent of the band, rather than cover it up with bad vocals. Being an instrument player in a screamo band is like being a peice of gold jewelry in a badly-scratched and battered display case.

[afterstasis]

I have heard of, and dislike, Orchid. The other two I will admit to having not heard of. But don't claim I do not know the music. I know people who are large fans of this, and I find that it is tasteless, evoking no emotion. Arguing what it is, however, is moot point. You still haven't reasoned what makes any of it original, or what makes it stand out. You argue with no substance, and no claim to stand by. I'm not saying it shouldn't be added in Rock Band, just that I don't like it. The instruments are good, but the vocals wreck the song. It's like if you were to take any classic album, and replace the singer with William Hung. The song is therefore ruined by a lack of medody. Harsh vocals do not equate to emotion. This is why I also dislike Metalcore and Death Metal. If they could actually give the voice melody, it might be good, because they would showcase the talent of the band, rather than cover it up with bad vocals. Being an instrument player in a screamo band is like being a peice of gold jewelry in a badly-scratched and battered display case.

fair enough.
i personally feel quite a bit of emotional resonance from a lot of screamo vocals, but different strokes/folks. :)

[Gowienczyk]

Funeral Diner invokes more emotion than Orchid, anyway. Lololol.

Also, After the only "screamo" band I'd ever reccomend for being different is Funeral Diner. Specifically, the comp. "Three Sides Dead".

I also repeat. CHAOTIC MUSIC MUST HAVE CHAOTIC VOCALS. Get over it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UcMZDljk64

[kaybee]

Brand New is in the first post...

GTFO, noob?

And no, it rarely evokes any emotion at all (Unless you call the sudden urge to press "stop" then "eject" an emotion). As I said it has tasteless vocals that ruin the song. And you just said the 2 bands that I thought were screamo weren't, so I officially hate all screamo. Wow, how relieving, I thought this crap might have the occasional good band. I guess not. Way to kill your own point. I hope you're the other guy's lawyer.

Sorry if my suggested listens on the first post have mislead some people. I never meant to say Brand New is screamo or ph of almost any matter. They are a rock group that occasionally screams to convey emotion.

My entire purpose of this thread was to more or less help people break into screaming and then into some of the genres as a whole that adopt screaming as a primary method of vocalism.

[John_S]

To afterstasis:

Thank you for presenting you point with substance, and like a mature, responsible person. However, I actually had heard of Orchid. However, I do feel that the newer stuff is a "new wave" of screamo, that's just opinion, something Gowienczyk doesn't seem to realize. However, I just read you post and, I must say, it was a refreshing change, having someone actually bring up a counter-point. While I realize my earlier post was rather childish, I just assumed he would be the only one reading it, and have no problem arguing with children in the only method they understand, and am sorry you had to read one of my "outbursts".

To Gowienczyk: I've never heard of them, and as such will give them a chance. However, this is just a genre I do not enjoy, in general, and this is simply my opinion. Chaotic vocals does not equate to tasteless screaming. Chaotic can be done in much more melodic ways.

To kaybee: While they are a bit of a stretch (I said they were in an earlier post), I actually knew the band from before reading you first post, and did not read it (the first post) until the arguement had begun. Your post did not mislead me, rather my musical knowledge did, because the two bands I considered "screamo" that I enjoyed were Brand New and Scary Kids.

[Gowienczyk]

I am a bit erratic, but that's because of how another music forum is and I am used to a certain blunt attitude. I understand it's an opinion that commercial pop-rock that jsut happens to ahve some harsh vocals to be "new wave" but a opinion based on faulty logic is still faulty. I base my genre labelling based on research and musicial structure/sound. There is nothing similar between metalcore or pop-rock bands to the chaotic post-hardcore sound of "screamo". I posted a video for Funeral Diner, which is my favorite act in the genre who add more 'progressive' elements and convey much more emotion than Orchid does.

Though the video isn't their best song, meh.

I apologize for being blunt, but it's something I'm used to.

EDIT: One thing I like about Funeral Diner is unlike other bands of their ilk, they mix the sampling higher and the screaming vocals lower, rather than the opposite. So the vocals are there, but it isn't obnoxious nor lacking in taste. Some songs that I'd recommend are:

My Fist Smells Like Graveyard
Pharmacy Rage
Choirs and Cannons
Wish I Could Do The Backstroke
Direct Hit
Wearing Thin
Welcome to My Book Collection
Regardless We Fall

Most of them from the compilation I mentioned earlier.

[John_S]

Edited my "to Gowienczyk" section in my earlier post.

No harm, No foul, it was just a differing opinion. I only really knew the term from people who like what they call screamo. I guess that what I heard of as screamo differs from the actual meaning. And while I still do not like it (no offense implied), I must thank you for enlightening me in this genre, so I may know present my arguement as to why I dislike it with more clarity and knowledge.

No bad can come from a learning experience, right? ;)

[kaybee]

To kaybee: While they are a bit of a stretch (I said they were in an earlier post), I actually knew the band from before reading you first post, and did not read it (the first post) until the arguement had begun. Your post did not mislead me, rather my musical knowledge did, because the two bands I considered "screamo" that I enjoyed were Brand New and Scary Kids.

If you like those two the next stepping stone might be Saosin. Melodic vocals with some very chaotic moments sprinkled in. Translating The Name EP is my favourite recording. This is when Anthony Green was the vocalist.

[John_S]

Heh, I actually have also heard Saosin, and they have some ok stuff. Not my personal favorite, but some of it is ok.

[Gowienczyk]

Quoting my edit:


EDIT: One thing I like about Funeral Diner is unlike other bands of their ilk, they mix the sampling higher and the screaming vocals lower, rather than the opposite. So the vocals are there, but it isn't obnoxious nor lacking in taste. Some songs that I'd recommend are:

My Fist Smells Like Graveyard
Pharmacy Rage
Choirs and Cannons
Wish I Could Do The Backstroke
Direct Hit
Wearing Thin
Welcome to My Book Collection
Regardless We Fall

Most of them from the compilation I mentioned earlier.

[Gowienczyk]

If you like those two the next stepping stone might be Saosin. Melodic vocals with some very chaotic moments sprinkled in. Translating The Name EP is my favourite recording. This is when Anthony Green was the vocalist.

I find Saosin a bit weak for my taste, the instrumentation and overall songwriting is lacking and it doesn't have what I like in post-hardcore.

[afterstasis]

Quoting my edit:


EDIT: One thing I like about Funeral Diner is unlike other bands of their ilk, they mix the sampling higher and the screaming vocals lower, rather than the opposite. So the vocals are there, but it isn't obnoxious nor lacking in taste. Some songs that I'd recommend are:

My Fist Smells Like Graveyard
Pharmacy Rage
Choirs and Cannons
Wish I Could Do The Backstroke
Direct Hit
Wearing Thin
Welcome to My Book Collection
Regardless We Fall

Most of them from the compilation I mentioned earlier.

i kinda like funeral diner, but what i've heard hasn't really grabbed me like i expected.
i have "the underdark" and a split (i can't remember who it was with).

i'll give some more of their stuff a shot.

[kaybee]

I find Saosin a bit weak for my taste, the instrumentation and overall songwriting is lacking and it doesn't have what I like in post-hardcore.

Baby steps!!
SKSK / Brand New to Saosin would be a natural transition.
If suddenly Orchid or Wolves is introduced its a shock... to say the least. I know my ears would have lacked all appreciation.

[Gowienczyk]

i kinda like funeral diner, but what i've heard hasn't really grabbed me like i expected.
i have "the underdark" and a split (i can't remember who it was with).

i'll give some more of their stuff a shot.

Three Sides Dead is amazing, seriously. Once I picked up that album my mijnd was opened to "screamo" music more than it initially was. It's by far the best thing I've heard from them.

[Gowienczyk]

Baby steps!!
SKSK / Brand New to Saosin would be a natural transition.
If suddenly Orchid or Wolves is introduced its a shock... to say the least. I know my ears would have lacked all appreciation.

..or worse!

You could just jump them headfirst into pg99 and Usurp Synapse!

[afterstasis]

..or worse!

You could just jump them headfirst into pg99 and Usurp Synapse!

no joke, the first screamo show i took any of my friends to was reversal of man (my memory's crap, but i wanna say palatka and logos circle seven also played)...

one of them was into it (he was already a fan of extreme metal), but the others went out to smoke within the first few songs by each band.

[kaybee]

..or worse!

You could just jump them headfirst into pg99 and Usurp Synapse!

I'm not there yet... not saying I never will be because like I said... 6-7 years ago I generally disliked screaming and only listened to classic and prog-rock... the odd modern band was an exception.

[Gowienczyk]

I'm not there yet... not saying I never will be because like I said... 6-7 years ago I generally disliked screaming and only listened to classic and prog-rock... the odd modern band was an exception.

Classic Rock Purists are funny.

[John_S]

I don't think I ever will be there, because while I dont mind SKSK, they aren't my favorite, and Saosin is ok, but not something I'd go and buy. However, I might consider Brand New.

Howver, who knows, currently I listen to mainly grunge (Alice in Chains, STP, Pearl Jam), alternative (Smashing Pumpkins, Collective Soul, Bush, Matchbox Twenty, RHCP, Jane's Addiction), classic rock (GnR, CCR, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Queen), punk (The Offspring, The Police, The Ramones, old Green Day) and classic metal (Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Judas Priest). Not to say I dislike modern music, because some of it is really good. (Wolfmother, Tool, The Strokes, Linkin Park). Who knows.

[kaybee]

Classic Rock Purists are funny.

I realized that if I didn't open up at all I'd be stuck with the same artists forever. Growing complacent with my attitude and finding it harder and harder to reach out to something new.

[John_S]

I realized that if I didn't open up at all I'd be stuck with the same artists forever. Growing complacent with my attitude and finding it harder and harder to reach out to something new.

Actually, I started out a huge modern rock fan, with a few classic bands (GnR, Iron Maiden), then Fallout Boy turned me into a fan of classic stuff. (I hate FOB, lol)

However, I really like The Strokes' Room On Fire and highly recommend it to anyone. Also, Wolfmother's self-titled is a gem of modern music. And, I really like any Tool, except Undertow (although Sober is an amazing song).

[kaybee]

Actually, I started out a huge modern rock fan, with a few classic bands (GnR, Iron Maiden), then Fallout Boy turned me into a fan of classic stuff. (I hate FOB, lol)

However, I really like The Strokes' Room On Fire and highly recommend it to anyone. Also, Wolfmother's self-titled is a gem of modern music. And, I really like any Tool, except Undertow (although Sober is an amazing song).

From Undertow there is definitely more than just Sober!
re-listen to Prison Sex and Swamp Song!

The Strokes, despite being just slightly over credited and overrated, are great.

[John_S]

From Undertow there is definitely more than just Sober!
re-listen to Prison Sex and Swamp Song!

The Strokes, despite being just slightly over credited and overrated, are great.

I know there is more than just Sober, but I feel that Ænima and Lateralus are much better albums.

I hate how everyone thinks that Reptilia is the best song by the Strokes, or worse, the only single by them. While Reptilia is a good song, it's not the best by them. I personally think the best Strokes single is 12:51.

[kaybee]

I know there is more than just Sober, but I feel that Ænima and Lateralus are much better albums.

I hate how everyone thinks that Reptilia is the best song by the Strokes, or worse, the only single by them. While Reptilia is a good song, it's not the best by them. I personally think the best Strokes single is 12:51.

Lateralus is def the best Tool album. Ænima has tons going for it but Lateralus is just the sound my brain immediately associates with Tool.

I've been really digging the 'First Impressions...' album lately. In order to keep us on topic listen to this! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYO7mfyXdBM
From Crib to Coffin by Emery
It's a bit epic but then again it does have that prog feel to the song.

[Runesmith]

I've been wanting to get into Glassjaw and At the Drive-In for quite some time now. Are there any particular songs by them you guys would recommend, or do you personally think both bands are crap? ;)

[Gowienczyk]

Howver, who knows, currently I listen to mainly grunge (Alice in Chains, STP, Pearl Jam), alternative (Smashing Pumpkins, Collective Soul, Bush, Matchbox Twenty, RHCP, Jane's Addiction), classic rock (GnR, CCR, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Queen), punk (The Offspring, The Police, The Ramones, old Green Day) and classic metal (Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Judas Priest). Not to say I dislike modern music, because some of it is really good. (Wolfmother, Tool, The Strokes, Linkin Park). Who knows.

That's a bit limited, even then, eh?

[Gowienczyk]

I've been wanting to get into Glassjaw and At the Drive-In for quite some time now. Are there any particular songs by them you guys would recommend, or do you personally think both bands are crap? ;)

Just get Glassjaw's Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence.

[Chocobo115]

Brand New & Sasosin get's my ok but the other sounds just horrible.

[kingtonyx]

These bands ARE post-hardcore and screamo.

Why? Because the masses said so. Majourity rule, and you've been outvoted about 100 times over.

[Gowienczyk]

These bands ARE post-hardcore and screamo.

Why? Because the masses said so. Majourity rule, and you've been outvoted about 100 times over.

Serious Critics who look into foundation and history have more a say in genres than amateur journalists and kids who don't know **** about music.

[Plan B]

Serious Critics who look into foundation and history have more a say in genres than amateur journalists and kids who don't know **** about music.

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree. Sadly, most people will never take the time to find out what genre their favorite bands actually are...

[Gowienczyk]

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree. Sadly, most people will never take the time to find out what genre their favorite bands actually are...

Indeed, music history is fun. =)

[chaoticagentleox]

wow do know you that senses fail has way way better songs then just the priest and the matador...I love senses fail but I would hate to play this in rockband. Pick a better song from them...But I do love seven years by saosin great choice on that.

[nk40699]

Serious Critics who look into foundation and history have more a say in genres than amateur journalists and kids who don't know **** about music.

GOD!!! i hate genre-whores. who cares??

[Gowienczyk]

GOD!!! i hate genre-whores. who cares??

Nobody cares about a dedicated and well-thought hobby you enjoy, either.

[kaybee]

wow do know you that senses fail has way way better songs then just the priest and the matador...I love senses fail but I would hate to play this in rockband. Pick a better song from them...But I do love seven years by saosin great choice on that.

Priest certainly isn't my fav either. If I had to chose I might go with something much heavier from Still Searching... maybe the title track or Shark Attack. If we include bonus songs Battle Hymn would be my personal choice for the game.

[ShoTTySLanKiN]

I've been wanting to get into Glassjaw and At the Drive-In for quite some time now. Are there any particular songs by them you guys would recommend, or do you personally think both bands are crap? ;)

One Armed Scissor by At the Drive is a great song and will be on GHWT, I hope we get some stuff from them on RB!

[cdestey]

I've been wanting to get into Glassjaw and At the Drive-In for quite some time now. Are there any particular songs by them you guys would recommend, or do you personally think both bands are crap? ;)

At The Drive-In was great, especially their last album.

Glassjaw is my personal pick for the worst band ever. Unbearable untalented singer pretending to be artsy when the simple truth is he can't hold a single note to save his life.

[bassHero]

I don't really enjoy the OP's bands but some Post-Hardcore is pretty good, like A Day to Remember

[AnimeGamer100]

Honestly I don't really care for this stuff. I can listen to it occasionally, but it's just not something I like that much.