Tarkus vs 2112 - the showdown

[a21schizoidman]

Yes, saw this come up.

Two legendary drummers with their repsective band's epics:
Palmer with ELP's Tarkus and Peart with Rush's 2112

LISTEN TO BOTH SONGS FIRST!

first off Tarkus:
1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljl_-uQZXQ
2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S8bLgLLtq4&feature=related
3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqKyiPkMjVY&feature=related

AGAIN LISTEN TO BOTH!!!!!!!

then 2112:
1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYSW73GWRUw
2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9Xy9nuP-8&feature=related
3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkSbncZyiGc&feature=related


I need not say again: LISTEN TO BOTH DAMN SONGS BEFORE YOU VOTE OR SAY ANYTHING

[Cpt. Overkill]

Im obviously going to pick 2112. >.>

[Oz1215]

Peart.....

[Aragha]

2112

Duh...

[theantkid12]

Quadruple Trio of Awesome post ftw. And I repeatPlease no altercations on Peart vs. Other Drummers though...

http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/p..._drummers.html

http://www.drumsetconnect.com/drum-f...-drummers.html

http://rockmusiclists.wetpaint.com/p...ll-Time?t=anon

http://theinitialpoint.blogspot.com/...-drummers.html

http://www.philbrodieband.com/muso_s..._jazz_rock.htm

http://teamsugar.com/group/1095682/blog/2039362

[brobot]

Where is the Travis Barker Option?

[Cpt. Overkill]

Where is the Travis Barker Option?

lulz. This is for good drummers.

[afterstasis]

i love tarkus, but i have to go with 2112.

[brobot]

Ok what about Ticco Torres

[BYC]

I'll go with Tarkis. I think I was tripping out the time I was listening to it.

[rylin]

What does this have to do with Rock Band, mistar OP? :(

[rylin]

Never mind!
I seem to have gotten lost somehow o_O.

Damn these shifty forums.
Now ignore me.

[Runa216]

Tarkus was surprisingly good, as far as drumming is concerned, a solid 9/10 on my "kickass drummers" list, but PEart still stands atop the crowd. 10/10 for PEart.

(for the record, only like three drummers come to mind when I think awesome drummers: Peart, Portnoy, and Moon.)

[HPLabonte]

Carl Palmer is criminally underrated, Peart is king, though.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Tarkus sounds really hokey.

[back_blows]

Tarkus. But then again anything beats 2112 in my opinion.

[Aragha]

I SAY ANNOYING THINGS THAT BUG ARAGHA BECAUSE I EAT POOP AND SO DOES THE BAND IN MY AVATAR!!!

Yeah, I've noticed...

[back_blows]

Yeah, I've noticed...

This has nothing to do with you. It just so happens that I don't like Weezer and Rush.

[Aragha]

This has nothing to do with you. It just so happens that I don't like Weezer and Rush.

:(

I know, but it still makes me sad... :(

[back_blows]

:(

I know, but it still makes me sad... :(

Modest Mouse is ok in my books.

[theantkid12]

This has nothing to do with you. It just so happens that I don't like Weezer and Rush.
Do not say the lords name in vain.

[Aragha]

Do not say the lords name in vain.

This.

The forums have been broing without Melee, by the way!

[The_Wurm]

I can't vote on these terrible songs, those drummers are losers.


I vote for Complete - Dream-ing
Complete - Dream-ing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36WQbjekE2g&feature=related)

[a21schizoidman]

I bet the 11 people who voted for 2112 didnt listen to BOTH songs

[Aragha]

I bet the 11 people who voted for 2112 didnt listen to BOTH songs

But Rush > All

Why should we even bother?

[JukeBoxHero]

But Rush > All

Why should we even bother?

Hmm, I don't know, expand your musical taste. Check out something you didn't hear before and actually enjoy it.

I'll post my opinion tomorrow, I got to get some stuff done tonight.

[The_Wurm]

I like how all these so called Rush fans on these forums probably never listened to or even heard of Rush before Guitar Hero 2, or even before Rock Band.

tsk tsk

[Oz1215]

I bet the 11 people who voted for 2112 didnt listen to BOTH songs

nope...your wrong there a21...ive heard the song before...

maybe you shouldnt go making assumptions that we didnt listen to tarkus?

[Oz1215]

I like how all these so called Rush fans on these forums probably never listened to or even heard of Rush before Guitar Hero 2, or even before Rock Band.

tsk tsk

ive known about them and somewhat listened to them since i was like 8... my dad is a huge prog fan..

i just didnt really get into them until i heard YYZ (one of the songs my dad doesnt have by rush)

[JukeBoxHero]

ive known about them and somewhat listened to them since i was like 8... my dad is a huge prog fan..

i just didnt really get into them until i heard YYZ (one of the songs my dad doesnt have by rush)

I unfortunately didn't hear about Rush until Guitar Hero 2, then again I didn't like music a whole lot until I got GH2 two years back.(After that my music taste exploded due to lack of having one at first). :)

[Oz1215]

I unfortunately didn't hear about Rush until Guitar Hero 2, then again I didn't like music a whole lot until I got GH2 two years back.(After that my music taste exploded due to lack of having one at first). :)

yeah...guitar hero AND rock band have turned me on to to so much music...radiohead, megadeth, the who and boston are probably the oens i like the most now... ive known the first of the 2 before, but never liked em...hell, i despised radiohead up until 6 months ago...now theyre like...my 4th favorite band

[a21schizoidman]

nope...your wrong there a21...ive heard the song before...

maybe you shouldnt go making assumptions that we didnt listen to tarkus?

i bet most of them haven't heard the WHOLE song, they just heard the Temple of Syrix part and go, oh, Rush

honestly,t he whole song, really isn't that great

[Cpt. Overkill]

Now, sir, you are being a fanboy, because more people like Peart.

[Oz1215]

i bet most of them haven't heard the WHOLE song, they just heard the Temple of Syrix part and go, oh, Rush

honestly,t he whole song, really isn't that great

honestly, it all comes down to opinions...i tihkn the whole song is epic you dont...big deal right?

[Cpt. Overkill]

I like how all these so called Rush fans on these forums probably never listened to or even heard of Rush before Guitar Hero 2, or even before Rock Band.

tsk tsk

Yeah. Its totally wrong for me to of heard Rush through a video game, even though all I was exposed to back then was Modern ****.

[The_Wurm]

Yeah. Its totally wrong for me to of heard Rush through a video game, even though all I was exposed to back then was Modern ****.

Im not saying its wrong, its great that these videogames are showing people(mainly young people) all this great music. But I just find it funny that so many people on these forums are all like "OMG Rush is the greatest band of all time"(funny enough, this state of mostley took off around the confirmation of "Moving Pictures"), when a good amount have only heard of them recently.

Honestly, I don't really know what exactly I'm aiming at right now(I'm watching the sox game and about 9 beers deep, so I'm sure my sentence structure sucks), I'm just trying to mix things up.

[Oz1215]

Im not saying its wrong, its great that these videogames are showing people(mainly young people) all this great music. But I just find it funny that so many people on these forums are all like "OMG Rush is the greatest band of all time"(funny enough, this state of mostley took off around the confirmation of "Moving Pictures"), when a good amount have only heard of them recently.

Honestly, I don't really know what exactly I'm aiming at right now(I'm watching the sox game and about 9 beers deep, so I'm sure my sentence structure sucks), I'm just trying to mix things up.

Hey score, whats the Wurm?

;)

[afterstasis]

i love both songs, and have been a fan of both bands for well over 10 years, but i personally prefer 2112.
then again, i'm a much bigger fan of rush overall.

[Cpt. Overkill]

Im not saying its wrong, its great that these videogames are showing people(mainly young people) all this great music. But I just find it funny that so many people on these forums are all like "OMG Rush is the greatest band of all time"(funny enough, this state of mostley took off around the confirmation of "Moving Pictures"), when a good amount have only heard of them recently.

Honestly, I don't really know what exactly I'm aiming at right now(I'm watching the sox game and about 9 beers deep, so I'm sure my sentence structure sucks), I'm just trying to mix things up.

Id heard they're songs, just I didnt know they're names. Then, I heard YYZ in GH2, and fell in love with them.

[The_Wurm]

Hey score, whats the Wurm?

;)

7-4 :)

[Oz1215]

7-4 :)

Im boston in favor of assuming?

[The_Wurm]

Im boston in favor of assuming?

no
but now its 7-6, bot 8

i was smiling because in the bot 7 it was 7-0

[Oz1215]

no
but now its 7-6, bot 8

i was smiling because in the bot 7 it was 7-0

ah, ok :p

[Hungryfreak]

I vote Tarkus obviously. As for 2112 people, I have only this to say:

Clear the battlefield and let me see
All the profit from your victory.
You talk of freedom, starving children fall.
Are you deaf when you hear the season's call?

[Oz1215]

And to you i retort:

The sleep is still in my eyes
The dream is still in my head
I heave a sigh and sadly smile
And lie a while in bed
I wish that it might come to pass
Not fade like all my dreams

[afterstasis]

if you want to destroy my sweater...

[Hungryfreak]

So!
Come on ye childhood heroes!
Wont you rise up from the pages of your comic-books
Your super crooks
And show us all the way.
Well! make your will and testament. wont you?
Join your local government.
Well have superman for president
Let robin save the day.

Wait a minute...

[Oz1215]

So!
Come on ye childhood heroes!
Wont you rise up from the pages of your comic-books
Your super crooks
And show us all the way.
Well! make your will and testament. wont you?
Join your local government.
Well have superman for president
Let robin save the day.

Wait a minute...

Everytime i see you i think of you
Everytime im near you i think of you
I think of you and I dream of you when I'm taking pictures of you
I think of you when I'm in a blimp looking down from up above you
You know I'm missing you
My mind is kissing you
I'm right behind you now Charlene
Waiting, watching
Oh so close
I'm right behind you now Charlene
You'll never be alone again, no

[Hungryfreak]

Jethro Tull successfully derails thread. Barriemore Barlow could not be reached for comments.

[Cpt. Overkill]

im listening to tarkus right now, and it has annoying pinano/organ in the first part of the song which i dont like.

My thoughts of the first bit.

[Aragha]

I like how all these so called Rush fans on these forums probably never listened to or even heard of Rush before Guitar Hero 2, or even before Rock Band.

tsk tsk

I started listening to them after I got RB, but I didn't realize they were in it.

[Aragha]

I unfortunately didn't hear about Rush until Guitar Hero 2, then again I didn't like music a whole lot until I got GH2 two years back.(After that my music taste exploded due to lack of having one at first). :)

This. But I just recently found out that YYZ was in GH2.

[Hungryfreak]

and the singer doesnt have enough feeling in tarkuks.

True, but he does have more than enough feeling in Tarkus.

See what I did there?

[a21schizoidman]

im listening to tarkus right now, and it has annoying pinano/organ in the first part of the song which i dont like.

also, tarkus is way too jazzy, while 2112 is just a complex rock song.

and the singer doesnt have enough feeling in tarkuks.

1) there is only keys, bass, and drums in ELP, they have no guitar

2) why does it matter about the vox and keys? this is s drum battle?
thats like watching a porno and paying attention to what color the bed sheets are

[a21schizoidman]

the drums are too jazzy

too complicated for you?

[Aragha]

too complicated for you?

Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they're an idiot.

[a21schizoidman]

Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they're an idiot.


where did i say he was an idiot?

jazz is more complicated than rock

[Aragha]

where did i say he was an idiot?

jazz is more complicated than rock

They way you're talking makes it seem like people who think Rush is better are ignorant.

[a21schizoidman]

They way you're talking makes it seem like people who think Rush is better are ignorant.

no, just most ppl here want to suck on Peart's balls rather than admit someone else might be better


also, I am a pretty big Rush fan, but I got over that Peart's drumming sounds like a cat with diarrhea years ago

[Aragha]

no, just most ppl here want to suck on Peart's balls rather than admit someone else might be better


also, I am a pretty big Rush fan, but I got over that Peart's drumming sounds like a cat with diarrhea years ago

But Peart is better >_>

[Alright_Computer]

Where is the "they both rock equally" option? :/

[Aragha]

Where is the "they both rock equally" option? :/

The non-Rush one Jazzes.

[Alright_Computer]

The non-Rush one Jazzes.

Correction: It Jazz Fusions.

/sarcasm

[a21schizoidman]

Correction: It Jazz Fusions.

/sarcasm


where in reality, ELP is Prog Rock

[JukeBoxHero]

I'm with Alright_Computer, both epics equally rock.(I personally think jazz kicks ass does rock to certain extent of wow. I do not think someone has to be a musician before liking jazz). Although it doesn't fit the epic 20 minute limit, I think Close to the Edge by Yes might have been a better choice. It seems to fit more in this type of battle, both bands house amazing drummers.

[a21schizoidman]

I'm with Alright_Computer, both epics equally rock.(I personally think jazz kicks ass does rock to certain extent of wow. I do not think someone has to be a musician before liking jazz). Although it doesn't fit the epic 20 minute limit, I think Close to the Edge by Yes might have been a better choice. It seems to fit more in this type of battle, both bands house amazing drummers.

it is a drum off, lol, response to the Rushwhores in the other threads

I am thinking of making a drum thread to discuss the signature songs of drummers, like Toad for Ginger Baker, TNUC for Don Brewer, The Black Page for Bozzio, Tank for CP, etc.

[Alright_Computer]

where in reality, ELP is Prog Rock

That's why I put the /sarcasm at the end.

[Cpt. Overkill]

also, I am a pretty big Rush fan, but I got over that Peart's drumming sounds like a cat with diarrhea years ago


lulz.

You lost credibility right there.

[Cpt. Overkill]

I'm with Alright_Computer, both epics equally rock.(I personally think jazz kicks ass does rock to certain extent of wow. I do not think someone has to be a musician before liking jazz). Although it doesn't fit the epic 20 minute limit, I think Close to the Edge by Yes might have been a better choice. It seems to fit more in this type of battle, both bands house amazing drummers.

He got mad because I said Peart was better.

AND HE LOOKS LIKE A FEWL NAO!

[a21schizoidman]

lulz.

You lost credibility right there.

right, cuz opinions create credibility

[Hungryfreak]

As I drummer, I feel that Carl Palmers technique is much better than Peart's. More complex and jazzy. Peart's a pretty good drummer, but I never found too much special about him.

[a21schizoidman]

As I drummer, I feel that Carl Palmers technique is much better than Peart's. More complex and jazzy. Peart's a pretty good drummer, but I never found too much special about him.

but apparently jazz isn't hardcore enough for people here, cuz its all about how fast u play, lol

[Cpt. Overkill]

Do you have to be immature just because more people prefer Peart...?

[a21schizoidman]

Do you have to be immature just because more people prefer Peart...?

how is it immature, you asswhipes are the ones who said it

[Cpt. Overkill]

how is it immature, you asswhipes are the ones who said it

That is what is immature.

[Alright_Computer]

Just because a person has a different opinion than you doesn't mean you have to insult them.

Palmer and Peart are both very talented drummers. Just listen to Tank, then to any one of Peart's live solos. Both extremely talented drummers, and I could certainly see why you'd prefer one over another.

[a21schizoidman]

Just because a person has a different opinion than you doesn't mean you have to insult them.

Palmer and Peart are both very talented drummers. Just listen to Tank, then to any one of Peart's live solos. Both extremely talented drummers, and I could certainly see why you'd prefer one over another.

palmer dont need a drum kit the size of the entire stage to show his talent either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM (embedding is disabled so you have to copy and paste the link)

(note: the ending on that video is NOT sped up, that is him)

[Cpt. Overkill]

Okay. We get it. You like Palmer a lot.

Just drop it.

[a21schizoidman]

Okay. We get it. You like Palmer a lot.

Just drop it.

what is that?

you are a peart fanboy, and parade it all over, is it law for ppl to really like musicians other than peart?

that video is extraordinary that I posted, even if you dont care for CP, i recommend it, he puts ona good show

[Cpt. Overkill]

I realize that, its just you have been trashing people who prefer Peart.

[a21schizoidman]

I realize that, its just you have been trashing people who prefer Peart.

in the beginning u trashed my boy, you treat others how u want to be treated

[Cpt. Overkill]

I didnt trash your boy. I said who I prefered.

When somebody mentioned Travis Barker I said "lulz. This is for good drummers."

Doesn't that say that I think he is a good drummer?

[a21schizoidman]

I didnt trash your boy. I said who I prefered.

When somebody mentioned Travis Barker I said "lulz. This is for good drummers."

Doesn't that say that I think he is a good drummer?

thing is, I used to really really really like peart, but after listening to a ton of rush, i realized, almost all his solos and stuff sound nearly alike, and he uses that gigantic drum kit that would make any drummer sound amazing

i just really hate when ppl just go "oohh popular band, they must be the best one ever! **** eveything else!"

[Cpt. Overkill]

Well, Im not that type of person. Your insulting me, then come up with a reason to insult me, then I prove it wrong, and you change your reason. That pisses me off.

I think he is a great drummer, I just prefer Peart's playing.

[a21schizoidman]

Well, Im not that type of person. Your insulting me, then come up with a reason to insult me, then I prove it wrong, and you change your reason. That pisses me off.

I think he is a great drummer, I just prefer Peart's playing.

im really sorry dude, just a lot of emotional problems going on right now, im outta whack, sorry

[Zeleii]

Keith Moon > All drummers....

/smoke bomb


/ ninja back in

I was joking

[Hungryfreak]

People, people, relax. Steve Flynn will always be better, anyways, haha.

[afterstasis]

i prefer meg white's bouncing bosom.

[Zeleii]

i prefer meg white's bouncing bosom.
You scare me

[afterstasis]

You scare me

would you not consider this meg's "legendary epic"? her masterpiece?

[Zeleii]

would you not consider this meg's "legendary epic"? her masterpiece?
I'm lost now...


But if we're talking about things be interesting to look at...

BAM HOTTEST WOMAN ALIVE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sanders_of_mastodon_live.jpg

I need to get my priorities straight

[Cpt. Overkill]

Troy doesnt like doing the back-up vocals live. It makes Brent's voice sound very off.

[Zeleii]

Troy doesnt like doing the back-up vocals live. It makes Brent's voice sound very off.
Troy normally does lead, but one songs when Brent does his backing sounds off.

Brent usually does the Remission type screaming while troy does the "gut wrenching" vocal stuff like "HUNT FOR OGRES AND DWARVES"

[Mystlyfe77]

peart is held in such high esteem, not because of how fast he can play or how complicated his rythms are, its his ear for what sounds good. jazz just doesnt sound good, unless your a musician, but then its just, wow, look how fast he can play. buddy rich is the best drummer ever, but i would never put any of his stuff in my collection, because it doesnt sound good

This post is massive failure. I know plenty of non-musicians who love Jazz. Hell, I haven't seriously played any music in about 3 years and I still like jazz.
Jazz has almost nothing to do with speed, though. Most Jazz songs honestly aren't very fast. The reason Jazz drummers (and musicians in general) are held in such high esteem is because of the complexity of the music. Jazz doesn't rely on simple 4/4 beats or dwell in the same keys as much as typical rock music. Additionally, there's a lot of room for improvisation and technique in jazz music that isn't available in a lot of rock music.


palmer dont need a drum kit the size of the entire stage to show his talent either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9fkAGwJcM (embedding is disabled so you have to copy and paste the link)

(note: the ending on that video is NOT sped up, that is him)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47yxLg2RyXM

That's odd. Peart sounds good on a normal-sized kit too!?!

[a21schizoidman]

This post is massive failure. I know plenty of non-musicians who love Jazz. Hell, I haven't seriously played any music in about 3 years and I still like jazz.
Jazz has almost nothing to do with speed, though. Most Jazz songs honestly aren't very fast. The reason Jazz drummers (and musicians in general) are held in such high esteem is because of the complexity of the music. Jazz doesn't rely on simple 4/4 beats or dwell in the same keys as much as typical rock music. Additionally, there's a lot of room for improvisation and technique in jazz music that isn't available in a lot of rock music.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47yxLg2RyXM

That's odd. Peart sounds good on a normal-sized kit too!?!

palmer did just as well with just a snare

[Mystlyfe77]

palmer did just as well with just a snare

My point was not that Peart was better than Palmer (a separate discussion, which we disagree on, but I'm willing to accept our differences), but that Peart is good because of talent, training, and technique, not because of a big drum kit. Peart sounds good regardless of the kit you put him on, he just happens to use a giant kit when playing with Rush.

[Hungryfreak]

My point was not that Peart was better than Palmer (a separate discussion, which we disagree on, but I'm willing to accept our differences), but that Peart is good because of talent, training, and technique, not because of a big drum kit. Peart sounds good regardless of the kit you put him on, he just happens to use a giant kit when playing with Rush.

Well that part is obvious. Otherwise, Mike Portnoy (http://www.tama.com/artists/featured/images/header_mike-portnoy2.jpg) would be the most talented drummer in the world, and we all know that thats far from true.

[Alright_Computer]

Well that part is obvious. Otherwise, Mike Portnoy (http://www.tama.com/artists/featured/images/header_mike-portnoy2.jpg) would be the most talented drummer in the world, and we all know that thats far from true.

No, Terry Bozzio (http://www.boulderdrummer.com/graphics/worldrecorddrumkit2uo.jpg) would be.

[a21schizoidman]

No, Terry Bozzio (http://www.boulderdrummer.com/graphics/worldrecorddrumkit2uo.jpg) would be.

(walks out of the way of the flamefest bout to come for mentioning Bozzio as bad)

[Alright_Computer]

(walks out of the way of the flamefest bout to come for mentioning Bozzio as bad)

Hey, I didn't say he was bad, he's excellent. He's just not the best (IMO), and he had a big kit.

[Aragha]

I wonder if drummers have something known as "kit envy" :p

[Alright_Computer]

I wonder if drummers have something known as "kit envy" :p

I am very envious of certain kits, and I'm not even a very good drummer.