Is the Rock Band that's actually at fault here (regarding the PS3 controller problems

[Se7enLawliet]

After fiddling around with both Strat and LP they seem to function just fine as controllers.

Oh and it appeared that the only reason the Start doesn't work with GH3 is because of button mapping. So what's going on? Did Activision go out of their way to REQUEST that Hermonix use a different setup or something? Because otherwise it seems like we would have two completely compatible guitars for GH3.

And now we have Rock Band. They're saying it should be compatible with all other guitars but how's that possible? It reads any non Strat controller as a sixaxis. So by that logic won't it read all other guitars that haven't been specifically programmed exactly like theirs as a sixaxis controller? Did Hermonix mean their design standard when they were referring to the controllers or something?

[ian2783]

do you mind telling me how you got the GHIII controller to work for rock band?

[Se7enLawliet]

You can use it to scroll through menus and stuff but it doesn't actually function as a guitar.

[Jack_Harvard]

Activision didn't request that Harmonix change their controller type, they simply made their game and controllers so that only the LP would work with their game. By doing this, they changed their controller in such a way that prevented it from working properly with Rock Band.

[Credge]

Activision didn't request that Harmonix change their controller type, they simply made their game and controllers so that only the LP would work with their game. By doing this, they changed their controller in such a way that prevented it from working properly with Rock Band.

Right. This would be understandable if the 360 GH3 controller did not work with the game. However, this is not the case.

[jomni]

The solution here is to make the SIXAXIS capable of playing the instruments! Am I the only one who wants to play the game using the SIXAXIS? Once they allow this it opens up the possibility of using all 3rd party controls since all of them would correspond to a certain standard button, even overdrive.

It has been done before and I don't know why they don't want to do it in their product unless they have the greedy objective of earning from the sales of peripherals.

If you take Konami's Guitar Freaks + Drum Mania game for the PS2, you can use the standard controller. You can also use a guitar... and even the Guitar Hero guitars. Although the buttons do not match the desired settings, the game allows the user to customize the buttom mapping. Same with the drums. In fact you can play drums using the guitar peripheral or play guitar using the drum peripherals. It may sound stupid but it proves that the game is fully customizable and very universal. Something that Rock Band isn't. (But they claim to be).

I bought this game thinking that I can play using the SIXAXIS just like all other Harmonix and RedOctane games. And I was happy to buy the game-only package. But saddened at the fact of not being able to do anything with it.

Can they just make SIXAXIS work as any instrument? It's very easy to do you know. And it actually solves all the controller woes that everyone has.

[mattfish]

And then we can remap hi-hat and snare so us weirdos can play crosshanded.

[PinkFloyd]

Right. This would be understandable if the 360 GH3 controller did not work with the game. However, this is not the case.

You'd have a point if the 360-controller and PS3-controller work on the same controller-standard. However, this is not the case. The case is that Sony has a very loose attitude towards developers.
As long as a controller connects through USB or Bluetooth, you can make it as far as Sony is concerned. This allows for third-party controller-manufacturers to easily make a controller for the PS3-system.

Microsoft on the other hand has a tightly regulated controller-policy. You must ask Microsoft's permission to build a controller for the machine, pay for the SKU and then receive a list of specifications that your controller has to meet in order to be allowed on the market. The downside of this is that 3rd party manufacturers can not make better or cheaper controllers for the 360 (MS simply won't allow this). The upside is that every controller you make meets specifications, so that you can use any controller on any game. In the case of Guitar Hero 3, however, they chose to only allow the LP-controller through a nice and nifty check handled within the GH3-software.

So who's to blame in all this? Blame Microsoft for forcing expensive controller-SKU's, blame Sony for not tightly standardizing their controllers, blame Harmonix for not testing the PS3-LP on RB, blame Harmonix for not testing the game with PS2-Guitar Hero-controllers through the Pelican-adapter, blame Nintendo that came up with this videogaming nonsense, or you can just blame noone and accept the fact that only the Strat will work on your PS3-version, and hope for a patch that will allow the LP or SG-controllers.

[Ventura]

and hope for a patch that will allow the LP or SG-controllers.

Which is about where I am right now.

[Credge]

You'd have a point if the 360-controller and PS3-controller work on the same controller-standard. However, this is not the case.

There was no case. The 360 RB game allows you to play with the GH3 controller while the PS3 does not. It's very simple.

The problem is with Harmonix (or whichever company made the controls for RB) as they do not allow you to play the game with the controller while GH3 does. It's very simple.

[Frederf]

The PS3 Les Paul is being recognized by Rock Band (PS3) as a handheld controller instead of a guitar controller. Rock Band automatically associates handheld controller with singer.

[DivaMom]

Activision (or Red Octane, or whoever) had to make the 360 Les Paul a certain way to make it compatible with GH2. They didn't have to do that with the PS3 version. Incidentally, GH3 recognizes the RB guitar as a guitar, but still won't let you use it to play the game.

[ShadowOfEden]

The solution here is to make the SIXAXIS capable of playing the instruments! Am I the only one who wants to play the game using the SIXAXIS? Once they allow this it opens up the possibility of using all 3rd party controls since all of them would correspond to a certain standard button, even overdrive.

It has been done before and I don't know why they don't want to do it in their product unless they have the greedy objective of earning from the sales of peripherals.

If you take Konami's Guitar Freaks + Drum Mania game for the PS2, you can use the standard controller. You can also use a guitar... and even the Guitar Hero guitars. Although the buttons do not match the desired settings, the game allows the user to customize the buttom mapping. Same with the drums. In fact you can play drums using the guitar peripheral or play guitar using the drum peripherals. It may sound stupid but it proves that the game is fully customizable and very universal. Something that Rock Band isn't. (But they claim to be).

I bought this game thinking that I can play using the SIXAXIS just like all other Harmonix and RedOctane games. And I was happy to buy the game-only package. But saddened at the fact of not being able to do anything with it.

Can they just make SIXAXIS work as any instrument? It's very easy to do you know. And it actually solves all the controller woes that everyone has.

I'm going to e-mail Sony. You should do the same.

I'm pretty sure that at a previous E3, a Sony rep was talking about the possibilities of mouse and keyboard in a FPS, and someone asked if they could make a m+kb ONLY game, and the rep said no, that every PS3 games had to be compatible with the Sixaxis.

[Emowii]

I'm going to e-mail Sony. You should do the same.

I'm pretty sure that at a previous E3, a Sony rep was talking about the possibilities of mouse and keyboard in a FPS, and someone asked if they could make a m+kb ONLY game, and the rep said no, that every PS3 games had to be compatible with the Sixaxis.

I think that is a big waste of time. The fix for all this nonsense is simple. Harmonix needs to patch their damn game. Thats it. All this other nonsense is simply a distraction from the real issue here.


Harmonix could easily make the GH3 guitar work with their game if they wanted to. This isn't rocket science we're talking about here.

[FallenAce]

You know there's a cost involved in that right? They'll probably have to get some form of permission from RO/Activision or something if they have a custom driver set for the LP. I'm not taking sides on this because it doesn't affect me; I have the game on 360 and bought an Explorer to play with all 4 parts. However, I just don't think you should expect a company to spend money on something that doesn't guarantee a return-on-investment. They love you, I'm sure, as a customer, but they're not your boyfriend and you shouldn't expect anyone to pander to you.

[aukevin]

I would think the easiest thing for them to do is make guitars for the PS3 available to buy. I'm mad that the GH one doesn't work, but I'd still go out and buy another RB guitar so I could play the complete game.