Going Vegetarian

[Dustincopter]

Hey, I'm thinking about it. But, like what stuff should I eat to still get nutrition? A friend has already suggested a multi-vitamin. But I still feel like I'm not eating actual Vegetarian meals, just snacks. Anyone here a vegetarian as well? or just knowledgeable people?

Thanks.

[afterstasis]

i was vegetarian for around 12 years, with several years of veganism thrown in, so i suppose i'm somewhat knowledgeable.

vitamins are good, but you need to also get some quality/varied food in your diet.

really, it's no different than a diet including meat, other than you need to make sure you get the things you miss out on by not eating meat. many vegetarians who eat poorly miss out on vitamin B, iron, and/or protein.

if you'll look around the internet you can find lots of web-sites with loads of info, recipes, and more. just be ready for some growing pains, because your body will notice a change and may not be immediately prepared.

just please don't turn into one of those dudes who lives off junk food and pizza...
approach it as though you're embracing new foods (learn to cook if you can't yet, because it's a huge help) instead of just pushing away old ones.

[Hypnozia]

just please don't turn into one of those dudes who lives off junk food and pizza...
approach it as though you're embracing new foods (learn to cook if you can't yet, because it's a huge help) instead of just pushing away old ones.

That's what happened to me when I was in college. Yeah, I didn't eat meat, but I ate a LOT of junk. Becoming truly vegetarian takes some study. I also think it helps to NOT go cold turkey (ha ha).

[PuckJunkie]

I went vegetarian less than a year ago. At first I had no problems eating filling, healthy meals, but what I have to watch for now - your mileage may vary - is that it's too easy to fill up on carbs & cheese. Candy bars are vegetarian, too...Coke as well. I ate as healthy a diet as I have ever eaten for about three months, then was eating worse than I had in years for another three. Just be careful. I'm still trying to find a balance.

As for foods that feel like a meal, it's only difficult if you go out to the wrong restaurant. Many places here (Dallas) are steakhouses or barbecue joints that have nothing but sides to order for a vegetarian, or maybe one pasta dish you can order without chicken and tends to be in a heavy cream sauce. For a while I thought that eating out, healthy, and vegetarian couldn't be done. It's still tough.

Where I work, I eat lunch out quite a bit, and I have found several options that are pretty good. Chipotle makes a mean veggie burrito. Pei Wei has several veggie options...and I never thought I would eat tofu, but I do there. My cafe downstairs has a pretty good veggie burger, and the same type of veggie patty is used at Subway. Just some examples. Don't fall into a rut, though. The best way to keep a full complement of proteins in your diet is to vary it as much as possible.

Good luck, and have fun.

[Wolfbeckett]

If you are going hardcore vegan type, no animal products at all, you WILL need a multivitamin, no matter how good your eating habits are. Vitamin B12 is not available in foods made from plants, it can only come from animals, so you won't get it naturally without eating some kind of animal product. Every other nutrient I'm aware of can be gotten with a proper vegan diet, but you have to be careful. Beans are very good, they have iron and magnesium and such, be sure to eat plenty of them, many people overlook them as a potential staple food.

[afterstasis]

the above poster (puckjunkie) is correct. eating nothing but cheese and carbs is very easy and not too healthy.

he's also correct that eating out can be a pain in the ass. i've lived the majority of my life in small towns with no options other than fast food, but if you live in a city with decent mexican places, moe's/chipotle, thai restaurants, or even dedicated vegetarian restaurants then you're in luck.

i'd also recommend getting in the habit of carrying granola bars or even a lunchbox with sandwiches when traveling with non-vegetarian friends.
you don't know how much it sucks to sit in a steakhouse with an empty belly while your inconsiderate friends chow down in front of you.

[PuckJunkie]

I feel for you, afterstasis. Occasionally trips to the lake or whatnot can be a little trying. Here in Dallas...ethnic food is your friend. Very few cultures outside of the US have nearly as strong concentration of meats in their diet, and a lot of them have tons of traditional meals that are naturally vegetarian.

Good points in your initial response, too (I missed it, it takes me 30 minutes to write a post since I'm "working"). Pizza became an easy out for quite a while. Gotta watch that. And the Interwebs have lots of great resources!

[benson111]

What are the reasons for going Veggie? I understand the reasoning for some people to go veggie. But i love STEAK,and prefer to not have to take a multi vit that will end up NOT absorbing correctly after a week of taking it. Just me. I am a meat eater.

[Wolfbeckett]

There are some health reasons for going veggie, though personally I would never do it (I loves my beef jerky just too much). I definitely think most people in western society could afford to seriously cut back though, eat more rice, beans, and pasta and less meat. That includes me, I could definitely stand to take my own advice.

[Highlandlassie1]

If we were meant to be vegetarians, why does meat, fish, and seafood taste so good?

[afterstasis]

What are the reasons for going Veggie? I understand the reasoning for some people to go veggie. But i love STEAK,and prefer to not have to take a multi vit that will end up NOT absorbing correctly after a week of taking it. Just me. I am a meat eater.

even though i'm currently on a veggie-vacation while my body heals from my car accident i will definitely be returning to my potato-munching ways soon. :)

i personally had multiple reasons when i first went vegetarian (about 13 years ago), but empathy for animals was definitely the leader of the pack.

i'm not at all opposed to hunters or even reasonable farmers eating animals, but the current state of mass animal-slaughter and overall animal abuse that can be found all throughout the meat and dairy industry repulse me like very few other things.

i'd also like to stress that i'm fairly quiet about my beliefs so don't mistake me for the type to harass others about their choices. i'm happy to discuss it if someone else brings it up, but preaching just isn't my thing.

[Dustincopter]

Thanks for all the advice. I guess I should head up to the store and find some good soy stuffs and tofus? But the main reason I'm going is animals, healthiness, because I'd consider myself overweight, and all the fast food I've eaten recently has taken a toll on my heart, I can tell because I often have some chest pains doing basically nothing. My friend is the catalyst for all of it though. So off to wal marts :)

[Wolfbeckett]

I would recommend also consulting your doctor and/or a dietician for advice, such a massive lifestyle change is not something that you should dive into just with a trip to Wal-Mart, you need to make sure you're going to be nutritionally covered. You need to have meals planned to make sure you're eating enough. If you don't do it right you're just going to end up over or undercompensating and end up right back where you were.

[afterstasis]

if you're limited to wal-mart i'd suggest boca products.
morningstar farms does have some decent stuff, but boca's probably best for an initial transition.
if you're poor and like mexican food, i've found that spanish rice and black beans with a small bit of shredded cheese in a wrap of any kind is basically awesome for a quick snack. it's even better if you add chunky salsa.

best of luck! i'd strongly suggest doing your own research, but i'll try to help if i can.

[Dustincopter]

Yes, I bought some Boca Products, pastas, and some fruits and veggies, but I am going to consult a doctor soon.

[Insaintly]

meat is delicious.
no need to change

[elfreako]

Yes, I bought some Boca Products, pastas, and some fruits and veggies, but I am going to consult a doctor soon.

May I suggest getting refered to a nutritionist. While being a vegeterian is not bad in itself, it's pretty complex if you want to keep a healthy diet. The best reasons to turn vegetarian are mostly philosophical (is that a word? sorry I'm french). If a healthy balanced diet and control wieght loss is more what your looking for, then completly excluding meat is probably not your best option. North Americans eat WAY too much meat, but a ilttle is always good for you. More fish is also part of the solution, and obviously veggies, you know, stuff everyone's already aware of.

I live with a dietician, and she would never encourage someone to go vegetarian. She has very deep knowledge of how to do it responsibly though, and if you're really set on this option, then perhaps seeking professional services to get you started would be a valuable investment.


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Wal-Mart is evil, not hunters ;-)

[onduvalst]

Ha! ya'll should try being kosher.

[Wolfbeckett]

Ha! ya'll should try being kosher.

I... umm... I like the salt?

Joking, I know that's not what you're talking about. I can't see any reason to ever bother trying that though ;).

[freakonate]

Avoid soy products and tofu at all costs! It's way worse for you than meat, and it's basically "healthy" junk food. Here are some better choices and should send you in the right direction:

www.rawfoods.com/recipes
www.sunfood.com
www.goneraw.com
www.healthforce.com
www.fieldroast.com - excellent grain based,soy free "meat" products.

sign up for Kevin Gianni's newsletter and web show at -
www.renegadehealth.com

Enjoy your new lifestyle! It's awesome. :D

[Wolfbeckett]

You must be the first person I have ever heard refer to soy based products as being bad for you. I must say I find myself skeptical for the nonce unless you post some evidence for why you believe that.

[PaperMario21]

Hey, I'm thinking about it. But, like what stuff should I eat to still get nutrition? A friend has already suggested a multi-vitamin. But I still feel like I'm not eating actual Vegetarian meals, just snacks. Anyone here a vegetarian as well? or just knowledgeable people?

Thanks.

good for you, I'm a vegetarian(8-9 years now).
you should get vitamins(multi vitamins such as centrum, a, b, c, e, calcium), as far as eating goes well you'll need proteins(soy burgers are an excellent source of proteins, plenty of vegetables naturally), drink milk, cereals.
that will provide you with nutrition your organism needs.
it's a healthy lifestyle for sure.

[freakonate]

You must be the first person I have ever heard refer to soy based products as being bad for you. I must say I find myself skeptical for the nonce unless you post some evidence for why you believe that.

Is that right? Google it. You'll find out. Soy is absolute crap.

Soy as well as Canola and Cottonseed (who the hell eats cotton?) is an idustrial oil, it's NOT a food.
You will find these oils in every processed junk food known. Thats why they use them, they are cheap and deffinately NOT healthy for you. Olive Oil, Sunflower oil and even butter are way better choices.

[Wolfbeckett]

Okay but that's soy oil. Tofu and soy beans themselves are grown or made from grown foods, I'm not seeing the purpose behind lumping all soy products into that group.

[freakonate]

Okay but that's soy oil. Tofu and soy beans themselves are grown or made from grown foods, I'm not seeing the purpose behind lumping all soy products into that group.

I can't explain it all. The fact is there are SOME soy products that are good for you, like Miso and Shoyu. Other than that, No. Soy is a frankenfood, and is absolutely NOT good for you. So when you get the time, read up. :D

The DARK Side Of Soy - America's
Favorite 'Health' Food

http://www.rense.com/general75/fav.htm
references are at the bottom of the page.

[freakonate]

Just because apples and wheat don't scream when you cut them doesn't mean they don't feel pain. In fact, many studies show fruit and vegetables can still feel pain a few moments after they are cut, and can, in essence, be eaten alive. If there are groups for people "against" animal cruelty, why are they therefore not for the cruelty of trees and plants? Too bad a tree cannot cry.

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html

Um. Plants don't have a nervous system? Although you can take from a plant and not kill it, such as picking an apple.

[mememe]

I've been a vegetarian for about a year now, it's getting pretty popular. Oh, and there's nothing in meat that's really special. You don't need it. I eat the same damn things every day and guess what?

I haven't even gotten a cold since I stopped eating meat, even with all the crap that EVERYONE'S got going around. I can bench just as much as I used to be able to (I don't weigh much but 1.5x my body weight) and really I'm the same exact person. Eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at first I guess though. I don't, but I do eat nutter butters. People usually suggest peanut butter. I was pretty healthy from the start though, like I don't drink or smoke or anything, so I can't really say you don't need much protein for sure but I'd bet that you're just as well off without meat.

Like I said, I eat the same things every day and I'm fine:
Pasta Roni
Riceroni (or w/e it's called)
Asian Sides
GOYA rice
Mrs. T's pierogies

All that crap is in boxes, all you have to do is throw it on the stove, much less work than most meat too. Occasionally I'll eat garden burgers and veggie pizza. If you ever try a garden burger you'll probably hate it but it's like little kids and brocolli, just try it a few more times. There's all different kinds of them too.

If you do take vitamins, Centrium is good. If you don't want kidney stones, you should probably do what I do when I decide to take them (rarely) and break them in half. Don't take more than 1 per day (kidney stones suck).

If you turn yellow or w/e just suck it up and eat chicken or fish, that's what my friend's friend did. I've always been fine but some people I guess just need meat for some reason or they get really sick. It depends on your genes I guess but you should be fine.

[freakonate]

I've been a vegetarian for about a year now, it's getting pretty popular. Oh, and there's nothing in meat that's really special. You don't need it. I eat the same damn things every day and guess what?

I haven't even gotten a cold since I stopped eating meat, even with all the crap that EVERYONE'S got going around. I can bench just as much as I used to be able to (I don't weigh much but 1.5x my body weight) and really I'm the same exact person. Eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at first I guess though. I don't, but I do eat nutter butters. People usually suggest peanut butter. I was pretty healthy from the start though, like I don't drink or smoke or anything, so I can't really say you don't need much protein for sure but I'd bet that you're just as well off without meat.

Like I said, I eat the same things every day and I'm fine:
Pasta Roni
Riceroni (or w/e it's called)
Asian Sides
GOYA rice
Mrs. T's pierogies

All that crap is in boxes, all you have to do is throw it on the stove, much less work than most meat too. Occasionally I'll eat garden burgers and veggie pizza. If you ever try a garden burger you'll probably hate it but it's like little kids and brocolli, just try it a few more times. There's all different kinds of them too.

If you do take vitamins, Centrium is good. If you don't want kidney stones, you should probably do what I do when I decide to take them (rarely) and break them in half. Don't take more than 1 per day (kidney stones suck).

If you turn yellow or w/e just suck it up and eat chicken or fish, that's what my friend's friend did. I've always been fine but some people I guess just need meat for some reason or they get really sick. It depends on your genes I guess but you should be fine.

I don't mean to come across as an elitist, but the "food" you are promoting is pre-packaged junk food with tons of MSG. Deffinately not the sort of thing a health conscious person should be eating imo.

Giving up meat and animal products is always a smart choice though as it helps you to evolve into another plane of existence. Most people live by walking a very narrow path, and out of fear of the unknown, never venture far from that path their whole lives.

[freakonate]

In fact, vegetarians and vegans do end up killing small animals, although it is not for the purpose of eating. Many small animals - shrews, gophers, rabbits, even foxes are known to have been "swallowed up" by steel reapers and grain threshers, farm equipment which is required for a large vegan population. Therefore, is killing a mouse more ethical than killing, say, a pig? At least we meat eaters and omnivores use the bodies of animals for the benefit of another person or animal - killing animals the vegan way involve many slices and a very crude, torturous death.
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2002/Mar02/vegan.htm
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2002/Apr02/davis.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1


Not if you grow your own garden and pick your wild food yourself. :rolleyes:


Besides, I think this post is more about health and nutrition and less about ethics. I feed my pets a raw food diet, and yes, my pets food is MEAT based.

All that crap is just meat industry propaganda anyway. :rolleyes:

[mememe]

Just because apples and wheat don't scream when you cut them doesn't mean they don't feel pain. In fact, many studies show fruit and vegetables can still feel pain a few moments after they are cut, and can, in essence, be eaten alive. If there are groups for people "against" animal cruelty, why are they therefore not for the cruelty of trees and plants? Too bad a tree cannot cry.

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html

Oh please, they can't see, hear, speak, eat, sleep, feel, ****, ****, piss or anything. They're not alive, **** science. If you don't have any of the 5 senses and don't move or breathe, **** you, you're not alive.

I like how scientists define living things, by whether they have cells or not. They can say plant cells are cells all they want, they're COMPLETELY different from living things' cells. They're as different from real cells as atoms. That's like if someone called atoms "atomic cells" which would make my laptop and everything else alive.

BTW, just so you know, viruses jump on cells, infect them, reproducing in the process, then run away. They have no cells so scientists say they're not alive. Funny how something w/o life can just naturally do that, lol. Oh but the cells that the viruses jump onto are alive even though they do absolutely nothing but sit on their asses. rofl. Scientists are jokes, they're just like you or me, normal people making a living. They just make **** up and people believe them. Defining life by microscopic bull****, lol what a ****ing joke. I feel bad for everyone who falls for this ****. They don't know anything about anything, they're as clueless as anyone.

[afterstasis]

In fact, vegetarians and vegans do end up killing small animals, although it is not for the purpose of eating. Many small animals - shrews, gophers, rabbits, even foxes are known to have been "swallowed up" by steel reapers and grain threshers, farm equipment which is required for a large vegan population. Therefore, is killing a mouse more ethical than killing, say, a pig? At least we meat eaters and omnivores use the bodies of animals for the benefit of another person or animal - killing animals the vegan way involve many slices and a very crude, torturous death.
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2002/Mar02/vegan.htm
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2002/Apr02/davis.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1

i've never met a vegetarian who was ignorant to the fact that death and suffering is inevitable in all traces of life.

we're not independents hermits living on a communal farm here (though the thought is romantic beyond compare), so we realize we aren't going "all out", but there are practices within the meat and dairy industries that there simply are no arguments for.

i'm not going to link to any articles because i don't have the time to go looking about and i suspect they'd be removed or have this originally helpful thread locked due to graphic nature. besides, many of these are very easily found by those who want to find them.

[freakonate]

i've never met a vegetarian who was ignorant to the fact that death and suffering is inevitable in all traces of life.

we're not independents hermits living on a communal farm here (though the thought is romantic beyond compare), so we realize we aren't going "all out", but there are practices within the meat and dairy industries that there simply are no arguments for.

i'm not going to link to any articles because i don't have the time to go looking about and i suspect they'd be removed or have this originally helpful thread locked due to graphic nature. besides, many of these are very easily found by those who want to find them.

Exactly. How did this thread turn into an ethical argument?

Can't we for once have a thread that's just friendly
information - based sharing passed between posters? Jeez.

[mememe]

i've never met a vegetarian who was ignorant to the fact that death and suffering is inevitable in all traces of life.

we're not independents hermits living on a communal farm here (though the thought is romantic beyond compare), so we realize we aren't going "all out", but there are practices within the meat and dairy industries that there simply are no arguments for.

i'm not going to link to any articles because i don't have the time to go looking about and i suspect they'd be removed or have this originally helpful thread locked due to graphic nature. besides, many of these are very easily found by those who want to find them.

He's a troll, I've heard hilarious arguments against vegans for being hypocritical killers. Maddox is more convincing than him though, lol, even I love his vegetarian-owning article. But yeah, everyone eats bread so everyone's guilty of the animals who die during harvest, vegetarians are just less guilty. Sorry but you can't say we're responsible for near as much death. And it's not just that. Really, I don't care too much although I do have a conscience about it. I just think it's disgusting, eating meat. I never used to b/c I ate it every day, it was normal. But after it's been awhile, it's easy to look at things differently. It really is just repulsive....

[freakonate]

He's a troll, I've heard hilarious arguments against vegans for being hypocritical killers. Maddox is more convincing than him though, lol, even I love his vegetarian-owning article. But yeah, everyone eats bread so everyone's guilty of the animals who die during harvest, vegetarians are just less guilty. Sorry but you can't say we're responsible for near as much death. And it's not just that. Really, I don't care too much although I do have a conscience about it. I just think it's disgusting, eating meat. I never used to b/c I ate it every day, it was normal. But after it's been awhile, it's easy to look at things differently. It really is just repulsive....

Yeah same here. When I see cows grazing peacefully in the pastures with their calfs at their side, the last thing on my mind is EATING them. :confused:

Meat eating is really an old way of thinking, and not necessary any more. Although McDonald's and propaganda from the meat and dairy industries would have you believe otherwise. You are boxing yourself in and missing out on a lifetime of superior health and many other benefits by relying on a meat based diet.

Let's evolve people!

[Wolfbeckett]

Not if you grow your own garden and pick your wild food yourself. :rolleyes:

Great. Until you realize that with close to 7 billion people on the planet, methods like that are physically incapable of feeding everyone. There just isn't enough space. You wanna volunteer to be one of the billions that are gonna have to disappear to make that plan feasable?


Oh please, they can't see, hear, speak, eat, sleep, feel, ****, ****, piss or anything. They're not alive, **** science. If you don't have any of the 5 senses and don't move or breathe, **** you, you're not alive.

I like how scientists define living things, by whether they have cells or not. They can say plant cells are cells all they want, they're COMPLETELY different from living things' cells. They're as different from real cells as atoms. That's like if someone called atoms "atomic cells" which would make my laptop and everything else alive.

BTW, just so you know, viruses jump on cells, infect them, reproducing in the process, then run away. They have no cells so scientists say they're not alive. Funny how something w/o life can just naturally do that, lol. Oh but the cells that the viruses jump onto are alive even though they do absolutely nothing but sit on their asses. rofl. Scientists are jokes, they're just like you or me, normal people making a living. They just make **** up and people believe them. Defining life by microscopic bull****, lol what a ****ing joke. I feel bad for everyone who falls for this ****. They don't know anything about anything, they're as clueless as anyone.

I don't even know where to begin. First of all, plants DO move. They move slowly, to be sure, but flowers are capable of turning to follow the sun and such. Second, plants DO breathe. They inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen instead of the other way around, but it's still respiration.

Third, what was the level of the last science class you took? Kindergarten? Whether something has cells is NOT how scientists define life. Life is defined by whether things respirate (plants do), reproduce (plants do), take in and absorb nutrients AKA eat (plants do), and a number of other criteria, all of which plants qualify for.

Lastly, hopefully your loved ones won't keep in mind your low regard for "microscopic bull****" next time you have a serious illness. Because, holy crap, illnesses are usually caused by "microscopic bull****", so obviously there must not actually be anything wrong with you! Why bother with the medicine the doctor gave you, he's just a stupid scientist out to make a living by feeding you lies anyway!

Good christ where do these people come from?

[mememe]

Just because apples and wheat don't scream when you cut them doesn't mean they don't feel pain. In fact, many studies show fruit and vegetables can still feel pain a few moments after they are cut, and can, in essence, be eaten alive. If there are groups for people "against" animal cruelty, why are they therefore not for the cruelty of trees and plants? Too bad a tree cannot cry.

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/08/plant_pain.html

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! my fav quote from the article:

"People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants sprang up concurrently with the announcement. "We've placed picketers at cornfields around the country. They grow these things so close together, the stalks barely have room to turn around and move," said PETP spokesperson William Wagner."

There was also the bit about the moron who said she always thought she heard a little scream when she pulled up a carrot!

Come to think of it, whenever I hit my space bar it whines.... Oh nvm, it's just squeaky b/c it's new....

[freakonate]

Great. Until you realize that with close to 7 billion people on the planet, methods like that are physically incapable of feeding everyone. There just isn't enough space. You wanna volunteer to be one of the billions that are gonna have to disappear to make that plan feasable?



I don't even know where to begin. First of all, plants DO move. They move slowly, to be sure, but flowers are capable of turning to follow the sun and such. Second, plants DO breathe. They inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen instead of the other way around, but it's still respiration.

Third, what was the level of the last science class you took? Kindergarten? Whether something has cells is NOT how scientists define life. Life is defined by whether things respirate (plants do), reproduce (plants do), take in and absorb nutrients AKA eat (plants do), and a number of other criteria, all of which plants qualify for.

Lastly, hopefully your loved ones won't keep in mind your low regard for "microscopic bull****" next time you have a serious illness. Because, holy crap, illnesses are usually caused by "microscopic bull****", so obviously there must not actually be anything wrong with you! Why bother with the medicine the doctor gave you, he's just a stupid scientist out to make a living by feeding you lies anyway!

Good christ where do these people come from?

You do know that the germ theory of dis-ease is just that. A THEORY right?

Germs can't live in an inhospital invironment. You have to give them the terrain to thrive in, in order for them to make you sick in the first place. :rolleyes:

Clean up your terrain, and the germs and viruses will have to go elsewhere. Presto! No illness.

[Wolfbeckett]

Wow it was so easy all along! I can't believe medical science hasn't cracked that one yet!

[Hokonoso]

im a vegetarian and it's the cheapest way to live, grocery shop and buy fruits, nuts, and grains and have at it, $10 will buy enough of all of these to survive for a month! so damn cheap it's the best way to go! sure this is more like vegan style but if you do ever go out with friends dont be a vegan as that's just silly, no restaurant in the world has vegan food but all of them have vegetarian food etc...

if ur lacking protein (which u shouldn't if you eat nuts at all!) then there are tons of companies that making vegetarian meat, hell you can get it at tons of fast food restaurants like subway and burger king etc... vegetarian meat has more protein per pound than real meat so be careful or you will be wasting money as your body can only consume so much protein in a day, the rest of it goes to waste and that is a waste of money!

now if you are just trying to be healthy then dont go vegetarian, just stay away from most meats, plenty of fish and other animals make healthy meat and everyone knows this, bu tall red meat is bad for you, dont try to convince me otherwise as you will just be wrong, there is no nutritional value to be gained from red meat. but unless you take lots of supplements you will be lacking in the fish oil department and that stuff really helps your body! i'd go consult a nutritionist first before making a huge move like this, as being a vegetarian does not make you healthy. plenty of vegetarians are just ppl who dont eat living things, the rest of the time they eat cakes, pizzas, and other high fattening foods!

[freakonate]

im a vegetarian and it's the cheapest way to live, grocery shop and buy fruits, nuts, and grains and have at it, $10 will buy enough of all of these to survive for a month! so damn cheap it's the best way to go! sure this is more like vegan style but if you do ever go out with friends dont be a vegan as that's just silly, no restaurant in the world has vegan food but all of them have vegetarian food etc...

if ur lacking protein (which u shouldn't if you eat nuts at all!) then there are tons of companies that making vegetarian meat, hell you can get it at tons of fast food restaurants like subway and burger king etc... vegetarian meat has more protein per pound than real meat so be careful or you will be wasting money as your body can only consume so much protein in a day, the rest of it goes to waste and that is a waste of money!

now if you are just trying to be healthy then dont go vegetarian, just stay away from most meats, plenty of fish and other animals make healthy meat and everyone knows this, bu tall red meat is bad for you, dont try to convince me otherwise as you will just be wrong, there is no nutritional value to be gained from red meat. but unless you take lots of supplements you will be lacking in the fish oil department and that stuff really helps your body! i'd go consult a nutritionist first before making a huge move like this, as being a vegetarian does not make you healthy. plenty of vegetarians are just ppl who dont eat living things, the rest of the time they eat cakes, pizzas, and other high fattening foods!


Actually red meat is the most nutritious of all the meats. It's the highest in iron and B vitamins. Chicken is second and fish comes in last. That's a fact.

Of course green leafy vegtables like spinach and kale are even better sources of iron and protein than red meat, so I'm just sayin.

[afterstasis]

Actually red meat is the most nutritious of all the meats. It's the highest in iron and B vitamins. Chicken is second and fish comes in last. That's a fact.

Of course green leafy vegtables like spinach and kale are even better sources of iron and protein than red meat, so I'm just sayin.

do you have any suggestions for someone who can't stand spinach unless it's on pizza or stuffed into a calzone?

i'm admittedly not very health-conscious (nor do i particularly want to be), but it totally couldn't hurt to gain more appreciation for this particular food.

[freakonate]

do you have any suggestions for someone who can't stand spinach unless it's on pizza or stuffed into a calzone?

i'm admittedly not very health-conscious (nor do i particularly want to be), but it totally couldn't hurt to gain more appreciation for this particular food.

Yeah. The best, tastiest and most effeciant way to get your greens is through green smoothies. I got loads of recipes I rotate on a regular basis. Of course you need a high powered blender such as the Vita-Mix for this, but any high speed blender should do fine.

Anyway what you do is take a large handfull of spinach or kale and just blend it with some sweet fruit such as bananas or mango (fresh or frozen and organic), a little water and maybe a pinch of celtic sea salt and you got the best fast food on the planet.

There are different variations on this of course, like you could toss in a tablespoon of almond or coconut butter, frozen mixed berries, some hemp seeds, hemp oil, maca, raw cacao...there are tons of little things you could use to kick your somoothies up a few notches. I make a huge green smothie such as this every day for breakfast and just go for hours on it.

[afterstasis]

Yeah. The best, tastiest and most effeciant way to get your greens is through green smoothies. I got loads of recipes I rotate on a regular basis. Of course you need a high powered blender such as the Vita-Mix for this, but any high speed blender should do fine.

Anyway what you do is take a large handfull of spinach or kale and just blend it with some sweet fruit such as bananas or mango (fresh or frozen and organic), a little water and maybe a pinch of celtic sea salt and you got the best fast food on the planet.

There are different variations on this of course, like you could toss in a tablespoon of almond or coconut butter, frozen mixed berries, some hemp seeds, hemp oil, maca, raw cacao...there are tons of little things you could use to kick your somoothies up a few notches. I make a huge green smothie such as this every day for breakfast and just go for hours on it.

we have one of those smoothie blenders somewhere around here, but i don't think we've unpacked/found it yet.
i'm gonna try this as soon as we can find it, though. thanks!

[onduvalst]

I think that before you go vegan for you health, you should try a mediterranean diet. olive oil and fish are great for heart health. a
A vegitarian lifestyle can lead to poor health if done incorrectly. You'll need to eat lots of nuts, beans, and leafy greens. If this isn't your thing you'll end up eating a lot of processed foods that contain high amounts of sodium which will defeat your purpose.

You could also try the outer limits diet. You can only eat items purchased on the outer edges of the grocery store. This leaves veggies, fruits, meat, and dairy. Most processed foods are kept in the inner aisles. These just leaves fresh foods.

If you'd still like to eat meats and are concerned, look for a kosher butcher. They have to kill the animals in the most humane way possible. They most approach the animal with a sharp knife will the head is turned and slit the main artery. Its fast and fairly painless. The animal is not allowed to see it coming.

*soy products do contain an estrogen like chemical, jury is still out on long term effects on males.

[afterstasis]

*soy products do contain an estrogen like chemical, jury is still out on long term effects on males.

attraction to "mantyhose" may occur. ;)

[freakonate]

we have one of those smoothie blenders somewhere around here, but i don't think we've unpacked/found it yet.
i'm gonna try this as soon as we can find it, though. thanks!

I'm really passionate when it comes to this topic because of the dramatic difference it's made in my health, wellbeing and energy over the years. It's pretty damn awesome. People who ignore this, or scoff at it, especially if they have health problems, are really missing out.

[freakonate]

attraction to "mantyhose" may occur. ;)

Which, in turn, may lead to having to wear a "manpon."

[onduvalst]

can i play with ya'lls moobs?

[freakonate]

can i play with ya'lls moobs?

Sounds like fun. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I'm moob free. :D

[onduvalst]

Sounds like fun. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I'm moob free. :D

Dang! I like me some hairy moobs.

[freakonate]

Dang! I like me some hairy moobs.

My ex girlfriend had those, you should give her a call.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

There's quite a lot of interesting insight into this topic that I didn't have before. I was never against others becoming vegetarian, but I can't see myself completely doing it. I might, down the road, do a "trial period" of sorts just so that I could live with both styles, so to speak.




Oh please, they can't see, hear, speak, eat, sleep, feel, ****, ****, piss or anything. They're not alive, **** science. If you don't have any of the 5 senses and don't move or breathe, **** you, you're not alive.

I like how scientists define living things, by whether they have cells or not. They can say plant cells are cells all they want, they're COMPLETELY different from living things' cells. They're as different from real cells as atoms. That's like if someone called atoms "atomic cells" which would make my laptop and everything else alive.

BTW, just so you know, viruses jump on cells, infect them, reproducing in the process, then run away. They have no cells so scientists say they're not alive. Funny how something w/o life can just naturally do that, lol. Oh but the cells that the viruses jump onto are alive even though they do absolutely nothing but sit on their asses. rofl. Scientists are jokes, they're just like you or me, normal people making a living. They just make **** up and people believe them. Defining life by microscopic bull****, lol what a ****ing joke. I feel bad for everyone who falls for this ****. They don't know anything about anything, they're as clueless as anyone.

I believe it was that scientists hold to, or rather should, a judgment by peers on all of their new findings. This works since you have person A that puts how his finding. Person B and C know just enough in the field that person A specializes in to say that he knows what he is talking about. D and E do the same thing for B and C. Sure, it isn't foolproof, but it's not (or shouldn't) be one person or team making a discovery and then telling the world about it.

They make it and try to repeat it again in order to verify it. Once it can be verified by their peers with successful results, then it does/should become public knowledge.

But hey, it sounds like you have more a beef with biologists than scientists. (Pun totally intended)

[freakonate]

There's quite a lot of interesting insight into this topic that I didn't have before. I was never against others becoming vegetarian, but I can't see myself completely doing it. I might, down the road, do a "trial period" of sorts just so that I could live with both styles, so to speak.





I believe it was that scientists hold to, or rather should, a judgment by peers on all of their new findings. This works since you have person A that puts how his finding. Person B and C know just enough in the field that person A specializes in to say that he knows what he is talking about. D and E do the same thing for B and C. Sure, it isn't foolproof, but it's not (or shouldn't) be one person or team making a discovery and then telling the world about it.

They make it and try to repeat it again in order to verify it. Once it can be verified by their peers with successful results, then it does/should become public knowledge.

But hey, it sounds like you have more a beef with biologists than scientists. (Pun totally intended)

If you're going to do it, the best way and the most interesting and fun, is to ADD. You will have the most success if you turn it into a lifestyle, Instead of seeing it as a diet. Challenge yourself by ADDing new things to your diet, instead of taking things away. Eventually these new choices will replace your old ones, and before you know it, you're on your way.

People fail because they go cold turkey, and their body' isn't ready for such a shocking change, so after a short time, they give up and give into massive cravings.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

If you're going to do it, the best way and the most interesting and fun, is to ADD. You will have the most success if you turn it into a lifestyle, Instead of seeing it as a diet. Challenge yourself by ADDing new things to your diet, instead of taking things away. Eventually these new choices will replace your old ones, and before you know it, you're on your way.

People fail because they go cold turkey, and their body' isn't ready for such a shocking change, so after a short time, they give up and give into massive cravings.

Yeah, I'm not going to start doing it right away. I'll "dabble" in it once I finish college and am settled down a bit more. I can see perhaps going through with it for at least five years? I'm not sure, what amount of time would you suggest in order to get across the ups and downs of the lifestyle?

[freakonate]

Yeah, I'm not going to start doing it right away. I'll "dabble" in it once I finish college and am settled down a bit more. I can see perhaps going through with it for at least five years? I'm not sure, what amount of time would you suggest in order to get across the ups and downs of the lifestyle?

It's different for everyone. As for me, I don't crave anything. But what's so cool, is that if say you crave chocolate. You can just get healthy chocolate and eat it to your hearts content, because raw chocolate is really good for you. www.sunfood.com What if you crave meatloaf? Lol. (who craves meatloaf?) Anyway, you can just track down "meatloaf" pour some gravy on it and you miss nothing. www.fieldroast.com.

There are so many awesome alternatives, that taste just as good if not better than the "real thing". Look up David Wolfe videos on youtube. He's got some fantastic info and great products. Just have fun with it and take it as far as you're comfortable with. I love finding new things and taking my health to the next level.

Man you can have a pie or a chocolate shake for breakfast and still be eating better than anyone you know.
I do it all the time! :P

[HMXDave]

I'm not a vegetarian. But I am Executive Commander of Fresh Fruits and Vegetables.

So feel free to ask me any questions.

[afterstasis]

I'm not a vegetarian. But I am Executive Commander of Fresh Fruits and Vegetables.

So feel free to ask me any questions.

is that what they call the poor sap in charge of the produce section at wal-mart these days? :)

[mercuryshadow09]

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[freakonate]

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I have no idea why people post in threads that are totally irrevelant to them. :confused:

Oh wait. I get it! By posting a link to Maddox's anti-vegetarian campaign in a thread about vegetarianism it's supposed to annoy the people in this thread who are vegetarian, thus derailing this thread and causing a huge argument over whom is superior - vegetarians or meat eaters and then causing the thread to get locked! = you owned the vegetarians! Aahaha...You are effing clever! :rolleyes:

edit: oh no, the superior, veggie-owning meat eaters have pointed out a spelling error. :rolleyes:
Cleavers work great for opening coconuts though.

[Wolfbeckett]

I didn't know vegetarians even needed cleavers!

>_>

<_<

Anywho I don't think Maddox is that funny he's highly overrated. Except when he makes fun of celebrities that annoy me, that's always a good time. His vegetarian thing is kinda eh though, especially since these days it's not that much of an inconvenience.

[afterstasis]

i'll be the first to admit that i don't have the most typical sense of humor, but i just can't really think of anytime the "we're offensive so it's funny, nyuk nyuk nyuk" crowd has ever caused me to laugh...

it's just lame, and reeks of "look at meee too!"...
for example, i think AC (yeah, both words are censored here) somehow manages to pull off being 100x less funny/interesting than even frickin' weird al, and i enjoy grindcore!

but whatevs, like anyone else who grabs desperately for my attention and falters, they get an eye-roll and no more.

[Spiritinthesky]

I've been a vegetarian for over 20 years now. And feel great! Yes, look on the net, loads of good sites with info on food etc. Good luck.

[HMXDave]

i'll be the first to admit that i don't have the most typical sense of humor, but i just can't really think of anytime the "we're offensive so it's funny, nyuk nyuk nyuk" crowd has ever caused me to laugh...

it's just lame, and reeks of "look at meee too!"...
for example, i think AC (yeah, both words are censored here) somehow manages to pull off being 100x less funny/interesting than even frickin' weird al, and i enjoy grindcore!

but whatevs, like anyone else who grabs desperately for my attention and falters, they get an eye-roll and no more.

I laugh every time I see someone reference the band AC.

I know those guys. Hell, I'm in a band with one of em!

[afterstasis]

silly vegans, animals are for eatin

coheed's alt-accounts are so painfully lame and boring. :rolleyes:

[MissMoongoddess]

WRONG! animals are for burning

From all of your posts so far(4), all you seem to care about is hurting animals or Soulja Boy. I'm thinking this forum isn't for you.