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justin19954

04-19-2009, 10:45 AM

The Beatles smoked, so it's probably just them smoking in the studio.

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-19-2009, 12:39 PM

I think what Errant was aiming for was trying to find songs that had tobacco references --- those are the ones we could add as likely appearing in the game.

And yes, I'd luh-huv to see "A Day In the Life" and "I'm So Tired" in the setlist, but both seem pretty iffy in terms of actual gameplay --- not much to do for anyone but the vocalist(s). ..

I could see "A Day in the Life" being the grand finale.

The footage from the McCartney concert looked unfinished, but I have high hopes!

Sayburr

04-20-2009, 08:42 AM

OK, added a note about the video of game footage and linked it to the discussion thread. Thanks Skittles for making the video and breaking this news to the world!!!!

Sayburr

04-20-2009, 01:27 PM

Can anybody think of more?
Sex
Why don't we d-d-do it in the road!

Drugs
I get high, with a little help from my friends

Murder
I'd rather see you dead, little girl,
Than to be with another man.
You'd better keep your head, little girl,
Or I won't know where I am.
You'd better run for your life if you can, little girl,
Hide your head in the sand, little girl.
Catch you with another man,
That's the end - ah, little girl.

The Rents

04-20-2009, 03:24 PM

I just noticed that the T rating has been replaced with rating pending....

justin19954

04-20-2009, 04:05 PM

I just noticed that the T rating has been replaced with rating pending....

Where? It's still T on the official site.

deadpool247

04-20-2009, 04:10 PM

Sex
Why don't we d-d-do it in the road!

Drugs
I get high, with a little help from my friends

Murder
I'd rather see you dead, little girl,
Than to be with another man.
You'd better keep your head, little girl,
Or I won't know where I am.
You'd better run for your life if you can, little girl,
Hide your head in the sand, little girl.
Catch you with another man,
That's the end - ah, little girl.

Murder

ALL of Maxwell's Silver Hammer.

justin19954

04-20-2009, 06:02 PM

Please Please Me perhaps?

Jerome85

04-20-2009, 10:50 PM

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TheKitchenMan

04-21-2009, 01:33 AM

I could see "A Day in the Life" being the grand finale.

I guess I've always imagined that the Rooftop Concert would be the final venue and that it would end with "Get Back" like The Beatles did.

The Rents

04-21-2009, 01:38 AM

Where? It's still T on the official site.

Wierd. I just checked again and it is back to the T rating.

UneasyMonkey

04-21-2009, 04:01 AM

I think what Errant was aiming for was trying to find songs that had tobacco references --- those are the ones we could add as likely appearing in the game.

And yes, I'd luh-huv to see "A Day In the Life" and "I'm So Tired" in the setlist, but both seem pretty iffy in terms of actual gameplay --- not much to do for anyone but the vocalist(s). ..

A Day in the Life would be amazing on drums too. I can't even begin to imagine how to do those rolls...

RockBandRocker

04-21-2009, 04:13 AM

Sayburr, will you add to the OP that the rating of this game is T?

It's rated T for tobacco references and mild lyrics. So I got to thinking....

A Day in The Life Lyrics:

Woke up, got out of bed
Dragged a comb across my head
Found my way downstairs and drank a cup
And looking up, i noticed i was late
Found my coat and grabbed my hat
Made the bus in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke
Somebody spoke and i went into a dream...

And, I'm So Tired Lyrics:

I'm so tired, I'm feeling so upset
Although I'm so tired I'll have another cigarette
And curse Sir Walter Raleigh
He was such a stupid git...

Can anybody think of more?

"Get Back"

"JoJo left his home in Tucson, Arizona for some Califonia grass"

stones2002

04-21-2009, 07:35 AM

whofan

04-21-2009, 08:09 AM

"Get Back"

"JoJo left his home in Tucson, Arizona for some Califonia grass"
"Grass" as in land, not as in drugs.

Fail on your part.

TheKitchenMan

04-21-2009, 08:21 AM

i am sure i'll get alot of flack for this but they should also put the game out on PS2. Because many people like my self can not go out and buy a new game system for 1 game! (right there thats a little over $500!!!) I am sure when the game comes out on other systems there will be a high demand for the company to make a ps2 version of it from ps2 owners. Graphic wise it may not look as good but who cares!

Did the company say why they are not going to be making one for ps2? And think in the future the demand will be high they will have to make one right?
they did that with rock band for wii

Not going to bash you too hard on this, but it is a 9 year old system. I think you're going to see more and more of this. It had a fantastic run and the fact that they are still making games for it attests to that, but maybe it's time to face reality and pony-up the cash. You still have 140 days before it comes out. Just put back a little each paycheck.

whofan

04-21-2009, 08:27 AM

i am sure i'll get alot of flack for this but they should also put the game out on PS2. Because many people like my self can not go out and buy a new game system for 1 game! (right there thats a little over $500!!!) I am sure when the game comes out on other systems there will be a high demand for the company to make a ps2 version of it from ps2 owners. Graphic wise it may not look as good but who cares!

Did the company say why they are not going to be making one for ps2? And think in the future the demand will be high they will have to make one right?
they did that with rock band for wii
The PS2 is almost 10 years old, perhaps it can't handle the processing needed for this game?

I feel for ya, I really do, but the PS2 has had it's run. It's like me saying why doesn't this come out on Xbox (original), or Gamecube, or Dreamcast?

There is still time before it comes out, you could always save up between now and then and get yourself a newer system.

o1skinneej

04-21-2009, 08:33 AM

I guess I've always imagined that the Rooftop Concert would be the final venue and that it would end with "Get Back" like The Beatles did.

This game should and MUST end with "The End/Her Majesty".

Those ripping hand-off guitar solos! The lyrics! What a great way to send people out of this game "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"!! (Perfect) Then rolls right in to the follow-up track. The beauty, humor, and simplicity of "Her Majesty" makes for the perfect ending.

Sayburr

04-21-2009, 08:35 AM

Did the company say why they are not going to be making one for ps2? they have not said no... .but the PS2 has not been mentioned in any press release so I would not get my hopes up at all.

Rod_Stixx

04-21-2009, 10:57 AM

This game should and MUST end with "The End/Her Majesty".

Those ripping hand-off guitar solos! The lyrics! What a great way to send people out of this game "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"!! (Perfect) Then rolls right in to the follow-up track. The beauty, humor, and simplicity of "Her Majesty" makes for the perfect ending.

Agreed. I would pay double for the game to ensure they included "The End" - and including a good chunk of the Abbey Road medley on side 2 wouldn't hurt either.

o1skinneej

04-21-2009, 11:00 AM

Agreed. I would pay double for the game to ensure they included "The End" - and including a good chunk of the Abbey Road medley on side 2 wouldn't hurt either.

I like the way your mind works, sir!

FatWilma

04-21-2009, 11:16 AM

Agreed. I would pay double for the game to ensure they included "The End" - and including a good chunk of the Abbey Road medley on side 2 wouldn't hurt either.

i hope they combine Polythene Pam and She Came In Through the Bathroom Window into 1 song, as well as Golden Slumbers > Carry That Weight and then finishing with The End > Her Majesty. If 1 of those is in the game without the other, that would be a disappointment (similar to having The Who - Amazing Journey w/o Sparks).

Headcase

04-21-2009, 11:21 AM

Edit: top stuff was wrong thread

The PS2 is almost 10 years old, perhaps it can't handle the processing needed for this game?

I feel for ya, I really do, but the PS2 has had it's run.

Disagreed. There's more PS2s than any next-gen console, RB1 and 2 run quite nicely on it (using background video tricks) and it uses the same instruments as PS3. The Beatles is set to bring in the more casual players, but more of them are going to have only PS2 than only any other console.

I would suggest that they come out with a PS2 version as soon as they can after the other releases. Sony should also pay 'em a bit to get the ball rolling; it is very helpful to their PS3 sales to have PS2 Rock Band bundles floating around.

Edit: PS2 is also by far the cheapest console that (up to now) has had RB support. Hard enough to convince a non-gamer to buy a $250 bundle, let alone a $300+ console. No DLC is much much better than no RB.

Edit2: Sales chart to bring the point home. Fear (http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=All&weeks=500). It still sells moderately well to this day.

iamtheddrman

04-21-2009, 01:05 PM

"Blur's "Song 2", Carl Douglas' "Kung Fu Fighting", Europe's "The Final Countdown", Good Charlotte's "Boys and Girls" and Pink's "So What"."

Ooh, Kung Fu Fighting. Interesting starting line-up, wonder what the total number of songs will be...
I thought LEGO Rock Band was a joke... :confused:

Disagreed. There's more PS2s than any next-gen console, RB1 and 2 run quite nicely on it (using background video tricks) and it uses the same instruments as PS3. The Beatles is set to bring in the more casual players, but more of them are going to have only PS2 than only any other console.
There have been more PS2s sold than any next-gen console, yes. There is no arguing that fact. However, how many of those consoles are not being used? I'd venture to say that you can subtract all of the PS3 sales from that number, as well as some of the X360 and Wii sales. The number of people still using their PS2 as their primary gaming system is probably much lower than you believe. As for more casual gamers, I bet more of them have Wii's than PS2s now.

I would suggest that they come out with a PS2 version as soon as they can after the other releases. Sony should also pay 'em a bit to get the ball rolling; it is very helpful to their PS3 sales to have PS2 Rock Band bundles floating around.
How does having a PS2 bundle help PS3 bundle sales? If anything, they get a marginal improvement across total sales, but also have to spend more money in development and production of the PS2 version, and will probably never recoup that money. I bet the reason they chose not to make a PS2 version was because the PS2 version of RB1 and RB2 didn't sell enough to cover the costs of development/production for the platform. They won't make a game that they know they're gonna lose money on.

Edit: PS2 is also by far the cheapest console that (up to now) has had RB support. Hard enough to convince a non-gamer to buy a $250 bundle, let alone a $300+ console. No DLC is much much better than no RB.

Edit2: Sales chart to bring the point home. Fear (http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=X360&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=All&weeks=500). It still sells moderately well to this day.
Well, the fact of the matter is that you need to upgrade your console eventually anyway. If you're an adult, put a little money back from each paycheck (say $20) and you'll have plenty of cash to buy a new console AND the bundle before the game comes out. If you're in school, then get a summer job and save your money. Again, you can raise enough money before 9/9/09 to get yourself a $300 console and the game bundle. Also, you could get the RB2 bundle and the Beatles software for the price of the Beatles bundle. The instruments won't be the same, but you're getting two games out of the deal.

See my previous point about the sales of the PS2 being relatively meaningless now. I have a PS2, and have owned 3 of them thanks to hardware issues. However, I ONLY play it for GH1 and GH2 because I have a PS3 and X360. Therefore, I'm 3 of the roughly 120 million sold, and I don't use it for any new games, and haven't for over 3 years. I'm certain I'm not the only person who is this way, and am probably not even in the minority

Sayburr

04-21-2009, 02:23 PM

I don't think it would be possible to do a retrospective of the band without having a lot of deep cuts.

o1skinneej

04-21-2009, 02:51 PM

I really trully hope they throw in some Beatles Deep Tracks and not the big name tracks idiots like Robert Ashley of 1Up who say's he's a huge Beatles fan then goes and list every song from "One". Smh.

The songs I want the most:
Hey Bulldog
Don't Let Me Down
Happiness (Is a Warm Gun)

I think it's kinda fitting that i'm wearing my Beatles tie dye shirt as I type this.

Like those tracks!! Good call, though, how about adding "Why don't we do it in the road?"

UneasyMonkey

04-21-2009, 03:09 PM

I hope they have the whole Abbey Road Medley as just one long track starting with You Never Give Me Your Money and ending with The End. I doubt they will put Her Majesty in there.

I also doubt that they would put Don't Let Me Down or Why Don't We Do It in the Road? because those two songs have a bunch of piano overpowering the guitar, especially the latter. Don't Let Me Down has a better chance of getting in, but idk. I have a feeling Oh! Darling is going to be in there. I would love all of Abbey Road except for Because and Her Majesty to be in the game eventually.

justin19954

04-21-2009, 03:27 PM

Well, Don't Let Me Down was in that roof top set so perhaps they could do that version :O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOnVUJAo3k

Great drum playing by ringo on that one, probably the best he ever did within the band.

Rain would like a talk with you ;)

russintexas

04-21-2009, 03:36 PM

According to Kotaku, vocal harmony is in.

http://kotaku.com/5221506/retail-listings-confirm-the-beatles-rock-band-3+part-harmonies

Sayburr

04-21-2009, 03:40 PM

Very interesting... I wonder what the screens will look like.

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-21-2009, 04:00 PM

According to Kotaku, vocal harmony is in.

http://kotaku.com/5221506/retail-listings-confirm-the-beatles-rock-band-3+part-harmonies

As cool and more practical than a keyboard. This will definitely make the experience more complete.

T-Hybrid

04-21-2009, 04:02 PM

I wonder how they'll mange all those controllers. Currently they only have the 4-way USB adapter.

Wireless mics confirmed?

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-21-2009, 04:04 PM

I wonder how they'll mange all those controllers. Currently they only have the 4-way USB adapter.

Wireless mics confirmed?

What about the mics that plug into the controllers? (the console ones)

Sayburr

04-21-2009, 04:55 PM

Another USB hub?

HazyCloud

04-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Another USB hub?

Each mic should take a controller spot on the console. A simple USB hub won't work this time. ;)

We would need a hub that allows 3 mics but only takes one spot as the controller.

iamtheddrman

04-21-2009, 05:23 PM

Each mic should take a controller spot on the console. A simple USB hub won't work this time. ;)

We would need a hub that allows 3 mics but only takes one spot as the controller.
I seriously doubt that they'll implement it this way. I bet you'll have the option to have 3 stand-alone vocalists, or you can add vocals to another instrument. Like a checkbox "Vocals?" when you select guitar/bass/drums. Then you only need the hub, and you'll select both difficulties from your guitar/drum controller. Theoretically, this would allow the 4 main instruments, plus 2 harmony vocals, allowing 6 people to play if you trick the system.

Zeleii

04-21-2009, 05:27 PM

This game keeps looking better and better

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-21-2009, 05:28 PM

I can see there only being one pitch scroll but three lyric scrolls. The pitch lines could all scroll at the same time because they are most of the time at different pitches for harmonies.

yennk1

04-21-2009, 07:12 PM

i hope we will be able to play with 2 guitars, 1 bass, 1 drums, and 3 mic at the same time.

if yes, the game will be very amazing
if no, the game will be amazing

Sayburr

04-21-2009, 08:10 PM

Each mic should take a controller spot on the console. A simple USB hub won't work this time. ;)

We would need a hub that allows 3 mics but only takes one spot as the controller.
Why can't you use one controller and three mics? The mics can send data to the system and one controller can be used to input for the menus. I don't think the mic and the controller each use a slot.

CCDaDon

04-21-2009, 08:28 PM

I wonder how this will even work on the PS3. You can't assign mics to controllers or anything... I won't even try to hook up 2 mics at the same time... I'm afraid it'd asplode.

TheKitchenMan

04-22-2009, 08:53 AM

russintexas

04-22-2009, 12:01 PM

Do the Lips mics take up a controller slot or not? I saw this question somewhere else, but I don't know if I ever saw a definitive answer. If they do not, then this would take care of the problem on the 360, at least.

They do not take controller slots. On all 3 platforms, microphones are handled completely separately from controllers. There is no one-to-one correspondence between controllers and microphones. Indeed, you can play Lips with 2 mics and 4 controllers. It's a pretty dumb way to play, but you can do it.

I'd imagine that whoever is "playing Paul" would control any mic settings from his lovely hofner replica. Likewise George and John.

deadpool247

04-22-2009, 12:38 PM

This game keeps looking better and better

You've got to admit it's getting better -- it's getting better all the time. :D

UneasyMonkey

04-22-2009, 03:40 PM

You've got to admit it's getting better -- it's getting better all the time. :D

Nice...

Yeah I think the drums and bass/guitar will be wireless, so you might not even need the hub. I like the idea where the lead singer will still only use a controller and just sing, but for the other two mics, the guitarist and the bassist can select vocals if they want to sing or not. They would select the difficulty for singing after they select their instrument difficulty. That's why they include the mic stand, so the bassist or guitarist can sing while they play...And yeah, technically six people can play at the same time. That would be great for parties, but it might be boring for the people only harmonizing and not playing an instrument at the same time

Sveppi

04-22-2009, 03:47 PM

I think I'm seriously compelled to buy the bundle for the collector's value.

Abaddon

04-22-2009, 03:54 PM

The PS2 is almost 10 years old, perhaps it can't handle the processing needed for this game?Unlikely, but possible.
I feel for ya, I really do, but the PS2 has had it's run. It's like me saying why doesn't this come out on Xbox (original), or Gamecube, or Dreamcast?None of those consoles are supported by their manufacturer any more. The PS2 is, so this is an invalid comparison.

At the end of the day, it really is up to MTV Games/Harmonix to decide if it is worth their while to make Rock Band for the PS2. Either they will or won't, based on whether they think it will make them enough money to return on their investment. Maybe they aren't happy with sales of PS2 Rock Band, who knows. As other posters have pointed out, the PS2 is getting long in the tooth and more publishers are making this kind of decision every day. Whether it is fair or not, the bottom line is you are going to find less and less new software being made for the console over time.

UneasyMonkey

04-22-2009, 04:12 PM

Just accept it, the PS2 is old and there will be no more Rock Band games for it. HMX decided it's not worth developing on an old system like that. They like to focus on DLC too, and the PS2 can't do that. I thought everyone who played videogames these days has something more than a PS2, like at least a Wii or the hard drive-less Xbox 360 that's only 200 bucks...

HazyCloud

04-22-2009, 04:17 PM

They do not take controller slots. On all 3 platforms, microphones are handled completely separately from controllers.

Wrong. When using the standard Rock Band microphone on the Xbox 360, it will take up one spot as 1 of the 4 controllers. Sure you can be specific and say the actual mic doesn't take the slot and the controller does, but you need a controller activated to use the mic.

If LIPS doesn't take up 2 slots while using the mics, this is probably how RB: The Beatles will do it.

Jordashebasics

04-22-2009, 04:17 PM

While the PS2 does have substantially more units out there, I think

(and this is speculation on my part)

Part of the deal between HMX and Apple may have been to ensure that they could continue to provide DLC. Downloadable songs are pretty lucrative - they have a very long time available for sale, the production costs don't compare to the costs of manufacturing disks and packaging. Plus, the longer they make content available, the longer shelf life the game itself is.

iamtheddrman

04-22-2009, 04:40 PM

Wrong. When using the standard Rock Band microphone on the Xbox 360, it will take up one spot as 1 of the 4 controllers. Sure you can be specific and say the actual mic doesn't take the slot and the controller does, but you need a controller activated to use the mic.

If LIPS doesn't take up 2 slots while using the mics, this is probably how RB: The Beatles will do it.

Actually, you are wrong. The controller takes up the slot, not the microphone. I can plug in the microphone anytime I want without losing a controller slot. If I want to play Vocals on Rock Band, I have to plug in a controller. Well, the guitars are controllers too, so why couldn't they select difficulty for both the vocal harmony and the guitar?

HazyCloud

04-22-2009, 05:07 PM

Actually, you are wrong. The controller takes up the slot, not the microphone. I can plug in the microphone anytime I want without losing a controller slot. If I want to play Vocals on Rock Band, I have to plug in a controller.

You didn't read my whole post, did you? What you just said in yours, I said in mine. To use the mic on your console, you need a controller plugged in. Thus causing the mic to take up one of controller slots. The mic does not work on any RB game without a controller.

Well, the guitars are controllers too, so why couldn't they select difficulty for both the vocal harmony and the guitar?

They can. The discussion here is how it will work. The Xbox only accepts 4 controllers. If The Beatles will support 3 mics, they all need to only take one slot combined for it to work. They can't each have their own slot on the console.

TheKitchenMan

04-22-2009, 05:08 PM

At the end of the day, it really is up to MTV Games/Harmonix to decide if it is worth their while to make Rock Band for the PS2. Either they will or won't, based on whether they think it will make them enough money to return on their investment. Maybe they aren't happy with sales of PS2 Rock Band, who knows. As other posters have pointed out, the PS2 is getting long in the tooth and more publishers are making this kind of decision every day. Whether it is fair or not, the bottom line is you are going to find less and less new software being made for the console over time.

Well, with the announcement that LEGO Rock Band will be available on Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and the DS, it appears they have made their decision. If you want to continue to buy the newest RB games, it's time to start sticking back $20 from each paycheck for a new console.

TheKitchenMan

04-22-2009, 05:20 PM

They can. The discussion here is how it will work. The Xbox only accepts 4 controllers. If The Beatles will support 3 mics, they all need to only take one slot combined for it to work. They can't each have their own slot on the console.

How I was thinking it would work would be that the first standard controller is obviously for vocals. Then, I imagined that there would some setting to turn vocals on/off during the time you choose guitar/bass. If you choose vocals on, then a mic is tied to your controller (plastic guitar). I also thought that there would be a way to choose which vocal part you sang i.e. lead, backing #1, backing #2.

yennk1

04-22-2009, 05:53 PM

on the others RB, the microphone go with 1 controller (normal) so the second mic gonna work with the guitar etc. and the instrument gonna be wireless so we dont have the roblem of the plugs

yennk1

04-22-2009, 05:55 PM

on the others RB, the microphone go with 1 controller (normal) so the second mic gonna work with the guitar etc. and the instrument gonna be wireless so we dont have the roblem of the plugs

yennk1

04-22-2009, 05:57 PM

on the others RB, the microphone go with 1 controller (normal) so the second mic gonna work with the guitar etc. and the instrument gonna be wireless so we dont have the roblem of the plugs

UneasyMonkey

04-22-2009, 06:00 PM

C-Pr0mpt

04-22-2009, 06:21 PM

iamtheddrman

04-22-2009, 06:50 PM

How I was thinking it would work would be that the first standard controller is obviously for vocals. Then, I imagined that there would some setting to turn vocals on/off during the time you choose guitar/bass. If you choose vocals on, then a mic is tied to your controller (plastic guitar). I also thought that there would be a way to choose which vocal part you sang i.e. lead, backing #1, backing #2.
This is what I was thinking as well. I posted it a few pages back I believe.

You didn't read my whole post, did you? What you just said in yours, I said in mine. To use the mic on your console, you need a controller plugged in. Thus causing the mic to take up one of controller slots. The mic does not work on any RB game without a controller.

They can. The discussion here is how it will work. The Xbox only accepts 4 controllers. If The Beatles will support 3 mics, they all need to only take one slot combined for it to work. They can't each have their own slot on the console.
I actually did read your whole post, but you said a guy was wrong, then contradicted yourself, so I was going to clarify. Yes I know you can't sing without a controller connected, but I've also sung using a headset plugged into the controller. The microphone itself is not special, it's the controller that makes you the vocalist.

If they plan to support 3-part harmonies, I'd bet money that they will have direct support for voxtar while only taking one controller slot. Whether that means a microphone plugged into the guitar, or some way of identifying which mic goes with which player remains to be seen, but I guarantee that 3-part harmony on vocals won't require 3 separate standard controllers.

You guys are getting your hopes up over this harmony stuff. I don't think it's gonna work out how you people are intending it to. When everything is said and done, I think you are still only going to be able to make 4 selections at a time. Rather that be a guitarist, drummer, bassist, and vocalist, or 3 vocalists and just a drummer.... You get my point.
I completely disagree. Direct support of voxtar (i.e. guitarist singing in the game) has been a heavily requested feature since RB1. I think they're taking the opportunity with the Beatles game to implement this. It shouldn't be hard to have a "Backup Vocals" menu in addition to the Bass/Guitar menu and Difficulty menu. It could look like:

Instrument:
Bass
Guitar
<----choose one of these

Difficulty (Guitar/Bass)
<----choose difficulty

Vocals:
None
Backup 1 (or John)
Backup 2 (or George)
<----choose one of these

if not "None" chosen:
Difficulty (Vocals)
<----choose difficulty

russintexas

04-22-2009, 07:48 PM

If LIPS doesn't take up 2 slots while using the mics, this is probably how RB: The Beatles will do it.

Lips takes ZERO slots for the mic. The mic is not a controller. The mic is a mic. There is no one-to-one correspondence between mics and controllers.

It's all about how HMX chooses to present the interface; none of the supported platforms support less than 4 mics and 4 controllers simultaneously at the hardware level. (The wii supports 4 GC controllers, 4 wiimotes, and 4 mics simultaneously).

Rod_Stixx

04-22-2009, 08:46 PM

As somebody who loves singing all the various parts of Beatles songs when listening to them, I'm thrilled that we'll be getting the ability to sing harmonies in the game. This game just keeps getting better and better.

Now I need to make sure I have a couple of days off to play the game when it comes out. Have to schedule a visit to the family, as we are all hardcore Beatles fans.

Is it too early to start making Beatles Friends lists to play with online?

justin19954

04-22-2009, 09:10 PM

UneasyMonkey

04-22-2009, 09:18 PM

You guys are getting your hopes up over this harmony stuff. I don't think it's gonna work out how you people are intending it to. When everything is said and done, I think you are still only going to be able to make 4 selections at a time. Rather that be a guitarist, drummer, bassist, and vocalist, or 3 vocalists and just a drummer.... You get my point.

Then what would be the point of including a mic stand in the special edition? And if the people who were doing the harmonies or backup vocals weren't playing an instrument at the same time, they would be very bored at times...

Rod_Stixx

04-22-2009, 09:19 PM

I'll happily be part of your Beatles family when the game comes out.

When I told my older brother (not a gamer, but liked playing RB when he gave it a shot) about the three-part harmonies feature and how he'd better start practicing, his response was:

"I've been practicing the Paul-is-dead era spoken parts you can hear when the record is played backwards. Anyone can say "turn me on dead man" forwards, but it's a little tricky to fit it into the forward playing track in reverse voice."

UneasyMonkey

04-22-2009, 09:33 PM

TheKitchenMan

04-23-2009, 02:53 AM

"Turn me on dead man" backwards is just "Number nine" and vice versa...

Sort of... I saw a documentary on this about 15 years ago and the gentlemen spoke the words "number nine" into the reel-to-reel over and over, but when he replayed it backward, it was totally non-sensical.
The key to the reversal is the British accent in which the original was spoken. Without the accent it was just garbled noise.

M1k3yBuddha32

04-23-2009, 04:30 AM

This is going to be an awesome experience, I'm sure of it. I was bummed when Guitar Hero got to release the inevitable Metallica-focused game, but felt it was more than a fair trade off when I learned that Rock Band was getting the Fab Four.

Would still love to see a few Beatles tunes show up as DLC for the other RB games though. Call me greedy.

M1k3yBuddha32

04-23-2009, 04:42 AM

"Turn me on dead man" backwards is just "Number nine" and vice versa...

The "turn me on, dead man" bit actually appears on the White Album in between the tracks I'm so Tired and Blackbird" (or is it Blackbird and Piggies?), not during Revolution 9 like many people think. Played forward it simply sounds like English in reverse (and is at a very low volume) while backward it gives that creepy message.

Ironic that the Beatle presumed dead all those years ago is one of the two still living today, isn't it?

miche.cs

04-23-2009, 05:50 AM

The "turn me on, dead man" bit actually appears on the White Album in between the tracks I'm so Tired and Blackbird" (or is it Blackbird and Piggies?), not during Revolution 9 like many people think. Played forward it simply sounds like English in reverse (and is at a very low volume) while backward it gives that creepy message.

Ironic that the Beatle presumed dead all those years ago is one of the two still living today, isn't it?

It's not really ironic if you consider he's some sort of supernatural creature. Who are we to say he won't live forever;)

cherokeesam

04-23-2009, 07:50 AM

This game should and MUST end with "The End/Her Majesty".

Those ripping hand-off guitar solos! The lyrics! What a great way to send people out of this game "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"!! (Perfect) Then rolls right in to the follow-up track. The beauty, humor, and simplicity of "Her Majesty" makes for the perfect ending.

If they're going for a grand finale, I see "The End" as being the big finish, too. But I'd rather see it paired with "Golden Slumbers" as per the current vogue....they make a nice fit together.

Either that or finish up with "The Long And Winding Road"....that would be a fitting end as well.

o1skinneej

04-23-2009, 07:59 AM

If they're going for a grand finale, I see "The End" as being the big finish, too. But I'd rather see it paired with "Golden Slumbers" as per the current vogue....they make a nice fit together.

Either that or finish up with "The Long And Winding Road"....that would be a fitting end as well.

People keep ragging on "Her Majesty", and I realize its just a quick 20 second bit but it really ends the album/song perfectly. It's so quirky and just comes out of the blue. I still think it's a good ending for the game, and if not, then should at least follow "The End".

I would be happy with "The Long and Winding Road", but happier with BOTH "The End/Her Majesty". :p

o1skinneej

04-23-2009, 08:01 AM

It's not really ironic if you consider he's some sort of supernatural creature. Who are we to say he won't live forever;)

After all, he was the Walrus(yes, I KNOW).....I could be the Walrus, but I'd still have to bum rides of my friends.

C-Pr0mpt

04-23-2009, 08:57 AM

Then what would be the point of including a mic stand in the special edition? And if the people who were doing the harmonies or backup vocals weren't playing an instrument at the same time, they would be very bored at times...

Many people find doing just normal vocals to be very boring at times. So what's your point?

The mic stand also doesn't mean anything either. Why doesn't it come with multiple mic stands for the harmony? Why does the special edition come with a bass controller? It's all information that's rather not relevant.

If you want a included product to help prove your point, let me know when the bundle includes a usb hub to support all of these items that will be used at the same time.

C-Pr0mpt

04-23-2009, 09:08 AM

I completely disagree. Direct support of voxtar (i.e. guitarist singing in the game) has been a heavily requested feature since RB1. I think they're taking the opportunity with the Beatles game to implement this. It shouldn't be hard to have a "Backup Vocals" menu in addition to the Bass/Guitar menu and Difficulty menu. It could look like:

Instrument:
Bass
Guitar
<----choose one of these

Difficulty (Guitar/Bass)
<----choose difficulty

Vocals:
None
Backup 1 (or John)
Backup 2 (or George)
<----choose one of these

if not "None" chosen:
Difficulty (Vocals)
<----choose difficulty

The official description itself reads, "...Featuring the ability to play drums, lead guitar, bass guitar or sing three part harmony with up to three microphones..." Personally I feel there is a huge difference between "or sing" and "and sing." That's just my opinion, I'm just going by the wording.

Just because it's a heavily requested feature doesn't mean anything. I'd also challenge your claim at "heavily." Besides, there are many "heavily" requested features that are still not in the game and some if not probably most that never will be. Rather it's requested or not means nothing. The actual outcome is what matters.

UneasyMonkey

04-23-2009, 12:32 PM

People keep ragging on "Her Majesty", and I realize its just a quick 20 second bit but it really ends the album/song perfectly. It's so quirky and just comes out of the blue. I still think it's a good ending for the game, and if not, then should at least follow "The End".

I would be happy with "The Long and Winding Road", but happier with BOTH "The End/Her Majesty". :p

Yeah, but it's not part of The Medley, so if they put the whole Medley in as one track, Her Majesty shouldn't be part of it. It would be pretty cool/funny if it's right after the end credits after a few seconds of silence

Many people find doing just normal vocals to be very boring at times. So what's your point?

The mic stand also doesn't mean anything either. Why doesn't it come with multiple mic stands for the harmony? Why does the special edition come with a bass controller? It's all information that's rather not relevant.

If you want a included product to help prove your point, let me know when the bundle includes a usb hub to support all of these items that will be used at the same time.

But those people would be even MORE bored...

It doesn't come with multiple mic stands because that would that it even more expensive and not everyone's gonna use two. And it's not just a controller that can be used as a bass, it's just modeled after a bass. Lets see....out of the two Beatles still alive, one plays drums and the other.....umm.....what instrument did Paul McCartney play? Hmmm....I wonder....Plus, that bass is very iconic. It's probably the most iconic of all the instruments that any of the Beatles used.

A USB hub won't be needed because everything except the mics will be wireless. They may include one if for the Wii version and maybe the PS3 version for those poor saps who got a PS3 with just two USB slots. And maybe a USB hub is part of that unrevealed bonus content.

iamtheddrman

04-23-2009, 12:37 PM

The official description itself reads, "...Featuring the ability to play drums, lead guitar, bass guitar or sing three part harmony with up to three microphones..." Personally I feel there is a huge difference between "or sing" and "and sing." That's just my opinion, I'm just going by the wording.

Just because it's a heavily requested feature doesn't mean anything. I'd also challenge your claim at "heavily." Besides, there are many "heavily" requested features that are still not in the game and some if not probably most that never will be. Rather it's requested or not means nothing. The actual outcome is what matters.

The difference between "and sing" and "or sing" would be that "AND" implies you do all of them at the same time. So the stupid consumer at Wal-mart would be like "It's too hard if I have to play 3 instruments and sing 3 parts at the same time!" From amazon.com, the Rock Band 2 marketing text says: "Take your band on an online-enabled World Tour mode, record albums, tackle the addictive Set Challenges, or even compete against other bands" Since it has "or" that must mean we can only choose to do one of those when we play, right? I realize you mean simultaneously, but I think you're placing to much stock in too small a word.

Chris Canfield has hinted over at Scorehero that they were working on voxtar along with several other requested features from the community for the next Rock Band installment. While that is by no means confirmed, I think it gives a little more weight to our arguments. The game will be out in just a little over 4 months though, and I expect we'll get a lot more news over the next month or so.

o1skinneej

04-23-2009, 02:03 PM

Yeah, but it's not part of The Medley, so if they put the whole Medley in as one track, Her Majesty shouldn't be part of it. It would be pretty cool/funny if it's right after the end credits after a few seconds of silence

I know it's not part of the Medley, but I'm just soooo used to it following The End. But I will concede and say I REALLY like your idea of it playing after the credits.

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-23-2009, 02:06 PM

The "turn me on, dead man" bit actually appears on the White Album in between the tracks I'm so Tired and Blackbird" (or is it Blackbird and Piggies?), not during Revolution 9 like many people think. Played forward it simply sounds like English in reverse (and is at a very low volume) while backward it gives that creepy message.

No. The one at the end of I'm So Tired says "Paul is dead, man. Miss him miss him." Revolution 9 definitely says "turn me on dead man."

whofan

04-23-2009, 02:10 PM

I know it's not part of the Medley, but I'm just soooo used to it following The End. But I will concede and say I REALLY like your idea of it playing after the credits.
I always stopped it at "The End" because I hated "Her Majesty". "The End" was the perfect end to their career (all The Beatles had their solo moments on that track and the sentiments echoed a lot of their earlier stuff while retaining the later years sensibilities).

o1skinneej

04-23-2009, 03:18 PM

I always stopped it at "The End" because I hated "Her Majesty". "The End" was the perfect end to their career (all The Beatles had their solo moments on that track and the sentiments echoed a lot of their earlier stuff while retaining the later years sensibilities).

But it's so quirky and funny and beautiful(and British)....I've always seen it as a good representation of The Beatles as a whole.

Okay after all my beating, this dead horse has GOT to be dead!

IErrantVentureI

04-23-2009, 04:52 PM

Her Majesty fits perfect. Was originally supposed to be between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam. That's what the loud crashing sound is right when Her Majesty starts. Paul decided it didn't fit well so he told them to throw it out. They were also told not to throw anything away of the Beatles recordings, so they tacked it on the end. Paul McCartney states, "Typical Beatles - an accident."

One of the first "Hidden Tracks" on an album.

Rod_Stixx

04-23-2009, 05:35 PM

Love the idea of tossing "Her Majesty" right after the credits roll at the end of the game. Since McCartney played "The End" on a few tours (adding "Carry That Weight" and "Golden Slumbers" here and there), I would hope that he might suggest it's inclusion. It would be a perfect way to end the game.

RockBandRocker

04-23-2009, 07:16 PM

I want to know about a "run time".

MOST of The Beatles' songs are under 5 minutes ("I Want You" is the longest one at 7 minutes).

GNFfhqwhgads

04-23-2009, 07:26 PM

I want to know about a "run time".

MOST of The Beatles' songs are under 5 minutes ("I Want You" is the longest one at 7 minutes).
Wouldn't that require knowing how many songs are in it?

RockBandRocker

04-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Wouldn't that require knowing how many songs are in it?

It could give an IDEA.

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-23-2009, 08:38 PM

I literally just finished watching Let it Be. I really hope I've Got a Feeling is in the game; it's essential to the rooftop concert.

Rod_Stixx

04-23-2009, 08:45 PM

I literally just finished watching Let it Be. I really hope I've Got a Feeling is in the game; it's essential to the rooftop concert.

Agreed. Great song, and with backing vocals, I can't wait to do the Lennon backing vocals countering Paul's "I've got a feeling" lines ("Everybody had a good year
Everybody hard time...")

Really loved seeing McCartney do it live on his last U.S. tour.

C-Pr0mpt

04-23-2009, 09:12 PM

Yeah, but it's not part of The Medley, so if they put the whole Medley in as one track, Her Majesty shouldn't be part of it. It would be pretty cool/funny if it's right after the end credits after a few seconds of silence

But those people would be even MORE bored...

It doesn't come with multiple mic stands because that would that it even more expensive and not everyone's gonna use two. And it's not just a controller that can be used as a bass, it's just modeled after a bass. Lets see....out of the two Beatles still alive, one plays drums and the other.....umm.....what instrument did Paul McCartney play? Hmmm....I wonder....Plus, that bass is very iconic. It's probably the most iconic of all the instruments that any of the Beatles used.

A USB hub won't be needed because everything except the mics will be wireless. They may include one if for the Wii version and maybe the PS3 version for those poor saps who got a PS3 with just two USB slots. And maybe a USB hub is part of that unrevealed bonus content.

Bored, more bored.... bored is bored. Dumb response.

Not everyone is gonna use 2 mic stands... That's the best you can come up with? Well not everyone is even gonna use the 1 that comes with it. So once again, what's your point?

Oh so only Beatles that are alive can have instruments included?

Don't bother responding anymore please.

C-Pr0mpt

04-23-2009, 09:24 PM

The difference between "and sing" and "or sing" would be that "AND" implies you do all of them at the same time. So the stupid consumer at Wal-mart would be like "It's too hard if I have to play 3 instruments and sing 3 parts at the same time!" From amazon.com, the Rock Band 2 marketing text says: "Take your band on an online-enabled World Tour mode, record albums, tackle the addictive Set Challenges, or even compete against other bands" Since it has "or" that must mean we can only choose to do one of those when we play, right? I realize you mean simultaneously, but I think you're placing to much stock in too small a word.

Chris Canfield has hinted over at Scorehero that they were working on voxtar along with several other requested features from the community for the next Rock Band installment. While that is by no means confirmed, I think it gives a little more weight to our arguments. The game will be out in just a little over 4 months though, and I expect we'll get a lot more news over the next month or so.

And doesn't imply that you HAVE to do it at the same time. I'm just taking the word for what it is and you are trying to twist it.

As for your response including Amazon.com's information, not relevant. Amazon.com has nothing to do with the making of Rock Band: Beatles. My quote was actual information on the game from the source, not a third parties description. The fact that you'd quote something from them with false information in the quote itself is laughable. Besides, when you said, "I realize you mean simultaneously" you answered your own question didn't you?

Last but not least, no sir, rumors don't give your argument any weight at all.

Look, I'm not against the possibility. I think it would be pretty neat. I just get rather irritated when people here run wild with misinformation and get other people all excited for nothing.

iamtheddrman

04-23-2009, 10:43 PM

And doesn't imply that you HAVE to do it at the same time. I'm just taking the word for what it is and you are trying to twist it.

As for your response including Amazon.com's information, not relevant. Amazon.com has nothing to do with the making of Rock Band: Beatles. My quote was actual information on the game from the source, not a third parties description. The fact that you'd quote something from them with false information in the quote itself is laughable. Besides, when you said, "I realize you mean simultaneously" you answered your own question didn't you?

Last but not least, no sir, rumors don't give your argument any weight at all.

Look, I'm not against the possibility. I think it would be pretty neat. I just get rather irritated when people here run wild with misinformation and get other people all excited for nothing.
I used Amazon's description because I couldn't find my RB SE box, but I'm pretty sure something similar to what you posted about The Beatles:RB is on that box too. The "OR" is there to show the different possibilities of playing the game. Honestly, having one instrument + 3 part harmony is pretty dumb. I don't understand why they would simply tack on 2 extra vocal tracks and further limit the possibilities of playing the game. I mean, we have 4 separate "instruments" that can be played simultaneously. Add 3-part harmonies, but removing two instruments is 2 steps forward and 1 step back. I don't see HMX doing that, AT ALL.

On that subject, when it says OR there, by your logic, we could only play Guitar + Bass + Drums, OR 3 part harmony. Does that make any sense for them to do that? Nope

If you want to be all jaded and expect the game to be gimped like that, go ahead. I have the utmost confidence in HMX that we'll get 3 instruments + 3 part harmony simultaneously.

IErrantVentureI

04-23-2009, 10:50 PM

I used Amazon's description because I couldn't find my RB SE box, but I'm pretty sure something similar to what you posted about The Beatles:RB is on that box too. The "OR" is there to show the different possibilities of playing the game. Honestly, having one instrument + 3 part harmony is pretty dumb. I don't understand why they would simply tack on 2 extra vocal tracks and further limit the possibilities of playing the game. I mean, we have 4 separate "instruments" that can be played simultaneously. Add 3-part harmonies, but removing two instruments is 2 steps forward and 1 step back. I don't see HMX doing that, AT ALL.

On that subject, when it says OR there, by your logic, we could only play Guitar + Bass + Drums, OR 3 part harmony. Does that make any sense for them to do that? Nope

If you want to be all jaded and expect the game to be gimped like that, go ahead. I have the utmost confidence in HMX that we'll get 3 instruments + 3 part harmony simultaneously.

QFT. It wouldn't be Beatles without it.

TheKitchenMan

04-23-2009, 11:22 PM

On that subject, when it says OR there, by your logic, we could only play Guitar + Bass + Drums, OR 3 part harmony. Does that make any sense for them to do that? Nope

This. Or gives you the option to do a single part, multiple parts, or all of the mentioned items. The correct phrasing for your idea would be "...either...or..." and since I don't see a either, then the phrasing of their sentence as it is written means that you have the possibility all of the mentioned items.

If you get really technical about how you are saying the "or" is used, then you would be saying that we could only play drums or lead guitar or bass guitar or sing a 3-part harmony. Since, I guess, that you're not implying that, your argument holds no water at all.

Class dismissed...

If you need some homework, i can provide you with several links to back this up.

wlorcb

04-24-2009, 12:03 AM

I literally just finished watching Let it Be. I really hope I've Got a Feeling is in the game; it's essential to the rooftop concert.

Where the heck did you get a copy of that to watch?

I have been waiting for the dvd release of this forever. I don't even care if it is remastered, just released. They should just release all of the footage that was shot, I always like reading the Get Back book that came with the original album release, that lists a whole wack of golden oldies that the boys played while warming up. Would be great to have!

TheKitchenMan

04-24-2009, 12:22 AM

I watched it on YouTube. Someone chopped into 9 parts. Here's the link to part 1. You can get to the other parts in the realted videos column.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNTWQnersQ

miche.cs

04-24-2009, 05:21 AM

Where the heck did you get a copy of that to watch?

I have been waiting for the dvd release of this forever. I don't even care if it is remastered, just released. They should just release all of the footage that was shot, I always like reading the Get Back book that came with the original album release, that lists a whole wack of golden oldies that the boys played while warming up. Would be great to have!

There's also a copy kicking about the newsgroups too. It's not the best quality being that the source is rather old these days, but it's very watchable and enjoyable. I've just thought though, are they going to have to edit I've Got a Feeling due to some of the lyrics? Meh, we'll just sing them anyway. That's what I do with the edited tunes in RB2. You can't help it.

Rod_Stixx

04-24-2009, 04:29 PM

Paul had mentioned that they were working on the Let It Be film back around when Let It Be...Naked was released. I don't know what happened from that point, but I know there have been issues with the rights, among other things.

IErrantVentureI

04-24-2009, 05:17 PM

*Coughillegallydownloaditcough*

But no. Don't do that. Try eBay.

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-24-2009, 06:15 PM

It's all on Youtube. And it was never released on DVD because during the mastering process they thought the outtakes raised too many old issues.

IErrantVentureI

04-25-2009, 02:11 AM

Yeah, it's a must see for any Beatles fan.

TheKitchenMan

04-26-2009, 06:11 PM

So is Anthology. It's on YouTube also. Divided into 16 parts.

Doesany1rememberlaughter

04-26-2009, 10:08 PM

What do you guys think the last song according to difficulty will be? I don't think I have seen any discussions on that.

Julio_Strikes_Back

04-26-2009, 10:25 PM

What do you guys think the last song according to difficulty will be? I don't think I have seen any discussions on that.

A difficult Beatles song isn't saying much. Probably Rain for drums and The End on guitar. I would say Hey Jude for vocals and Paperback writer for bass.

KISSfan84

04-26-2009, 11:30 PM

A difficult Beatles song isn't saying much. Probably Rain for drums and The End on guitar. I would say Hey Jude for vocals and Paperback writer for bass.

No, I think it would be "Twist and Shout" for vocals. John said that song always destroyed his voice in concerts.
:cool:

TheKitchenMan

04-27-2009, 01:20 AM

No, I think it would be "Twist and Shout" for vocals. John said that song always destroyed his voice in concerts.
:cool:

Not because of the difficulty of the song, but because he basically screamed the whole song. It was the last recorded song for Please, Please Me and they had done a marathon recording session for the album that day. He had no voice left and recorded it that way. Then he had to try to reproduce it the way he sang it that night for the rest of their career. :eek:

Sayburr

04-28-2009, 11:33 AM

More info from Paul:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2082-Beatles-Examiner~y2009m4d27-Paul-McCartney-hints-The-Beatles-Rock-Band-will-have-special-features

In an interview published in the Spring '09 issue of the Hard Rock Hotel's magazine, Paul McCartney hints players of "The Beatles: Rock Band" will find some added hidden features included in the game when it's released on Sept. 9.

"I've been watching as the team has been developing it and I'm getting more and more into it as it comes together," he told interviewer Michael Lucas. "It's going to be really jam packed with goodies. You've got the basic "Rock Band" game with Beatles songs and then you have also got loads of goodies. If you get to a certain level, you get prizes -- photos, snippets and much more.

"It's good because me and Ringo have been helping with the extras and we tell some little stories and have been able to veritfy some facts. I'm really excited by it," McCartney said.

west siide

04-28-2009, 11:41 AM

o1skinneej

04-28-2009, 11:59 AM

So we really are going to get unique content that will come out just for this game?

After everything that's been said and written and covered on the Beatles it's pretty amazing that they're doing that.

Aren't we lucky?

I've got to agree! Here is a band that has been so protective of their material, and now they're like..."we love HMX! Take what you need!" This is so awesome because not only will the game be AMAZING, but The Beatles will probably be willing to pass the word along that, "Hey, this company really knows what it's doing. Not only that but they REALLY appreciate music and musicians."

*coughtellledzepplin!!cough* :D

dsierra87

04-28-2009, 01:46 PM

Sayburr

04-28-2009, 02:35 PM

I believe you are right, the more I find out about the game the more I think the game will be played in the order the songs were released.

Sveppi

04-28-2009, 04:15 PM

I believe you are right, the more I find out about the game the more I think the game will be played in the order the songs were released.
I agree that that is the logical order for the songs to be played. It makes perfect sense for a game which is (probably) a chronological retelling of their career to have the songs in that order.

Also, just a thought: I like how the game highlights The Beatles name by having it come before Rock Band, instead of the GH way of having the name come after. It makes it feel like a real Beatles game, not a RB or GH game featuring band X or Y or Z.

MostSpartan14

04-28-2009, 06:56 PM

I just noticed that the site was updated. It now has the game's logo as well as the bass being added to the background. There's also a place for "preorder club" members to enter a code. Does anyone know what that does? I'm not sure if the site was updated earlier but this is my first time noticing it.

Electric_Zen

04-28-2009, 07:07 PM

There's also a place for "preorder club" members to enter a code.

Good spot. That link takes you to http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/preorder/ which is not ready for prime time yet. But hopefully, this means that we will find out soon what the preorder goodies ares.

cherokeesam

04-28-2009, 08:14 PM

I'm pretty sure we're looking at a chronological "history" of the band, too. Makes the most sense.

It'll probably be like watching a Beatles anthology/history DVD, but with the added attraction of being able to play along on the songs.

iagomonk

04-28-2009, 08:34 PM

The Beatles: Rock Band will allow multiple singers with different microphones to .

to... what? Or was that supposed to be "too"??

justin19954

04-28-2009, 08:39 PM

to... what? Or was that supposed to be "too"??

Where did you get that quote?

dady5000

04-28-2009, 09:02 PM

The Beatles Website now has Paul's bass and the logo is added, with the link to the Preorder page on the top.

TheKitchenMan

04-28-2009, 09:10 PM

The Beatles Website now has Paul's bass and the logo is added, with the link to the Preorder page on the top.

Beat you to it... ;)

TheKitchenMan

04-28-2009, 09:12 PM

nvm...guess I didn't post it on this thread. Oops, sorry... *slaps forehead, how did I not post it on the biggest TB:RB thread*

TheKitchenMan

04-28-2009, 09:49 PM

to... what? Or was that supposed to be "too"??

Where did you get that quote?

The original quote came from Game Informer Issue#193, it said...

2. Page 25 - Future Features For Rock Band - Rock Band is always offering new content via downloadable songs, but new features are in store for fans of the franchise. Loose Talk has heard that The Beatles: Rock Band will allow multiple singers with different microphones to harmonize on the vocal track to replicate the fab four's fabulous harmonies. We're also hearing that the Rock Band franchise will support some kind of user-created content.

Rod_Stixx

04-28-2009, 09:52 PM

i really don't think this game will be structure as a regular rock band game in which you advance songs in order of difficulty, i believe we will play in chronological order, not really difficulty wise but carrer-wise, anyhow, if you're looking to play this game for difficulty look elsewhere, it's all about playing Beatles music!

Yeah, this is pretty much what I've been thinking all along since they mentioned playing through the career of The Beatles. The game would lend itself much better to the experience of playing through the Beatles' musical career going chronologically than by simply playing through difficulty tiers.

Really awesome that Paul is getting into it so much.

justin19954

04-28-2009, 10:14 PM

Wow those Anthologys are awesome. I'm gonna start the third one now!

TheKitchenMan

04-28-2009, 10:26 PM

Really awesome that Paul is getting into it so much.

Yeah, it sounds like he is genuinely and actively participating in the process, which can only help to make to make this the best possible game that it can be. And that's saying a lot when it comes to The Beatles! :D

Rod_Stixx

04-28-2009, 11:09 PM

Especially since he really didn't know much about the game in the first place. It's easier to see some bands getting into the process since their kids play and such, but Paul really didn't know much about it before this (as far as I can recall). Can't wait to start playing this in another four + months.

moose39

04-28-2009, 11:59 PM

ZOMG the new link with the game footage!!!!!!!!!!!!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG THIS GAME LOOKS INCREDIBLE

LIKE WOW THIS GAME LOOKS AMAZING.

Unpleasant Nerd

04-29-2009, 01:36 AM

What, where?

madcowz967

04-29-2009, 01:45 AM

this is just my guess, but I'm sure most of us have put our email addresses on the official site (requesting that they let us know when preordering begins). I'm guessing that when we get the emails, the site will be ready to go. I CAN'T WAIT!!!

Sayburr

04-29-2009, 08:34 AM

What, where?
Post # 1 has a link to McCartney's concert where he showed game footage...

TheKitchenMan

04-29-2009, 08:44 AM

ThePaska

04-29-2009, 12:05 PM

ooh website update, very cool, each update makes the game seem that much closer, really can't wait!

deadpool247

04-30-2009, 12:17 PM

I thought of four new "achievements" that can be in the game:

"By George!" -- complete all of George Harrison's songs (you don't need a perfect for them)

"Johnny on the spot" -- complete all of John Lennon's songs

"Walking Paul" -- complete all of Paul McCartney's songs

"Shining Starr" -- complete all of Ringo Starr's songs

justin19954

04-30-2009, 03:32 PM

Did they fix the website?

HazyCloud

04-30-2009, 04:18 PM

The bass and logo have now been removed from the site. The preorder code box is also gone.

StrikeZ

04-30-2009, 04:38 PM

I am torn between pre-ordering the premium pack and waiting to get a different guitar than the bass - I may just do both...

The Rents

05-01-2009, 02:29 AM

The bass and logo have now been removed from the site. The preorder code box is also gone.

I just noticed that too. Thought it was my computer.

BBG

05-01-2009, 02:37 AM

New Rock Band: Beatles Details...

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-previews/315.html

Unfortunately, due to licensing limitations, these Beatles tracks will not be made available as content for Rock Band 2 or future Rock Band games, largely for the same reason they're still not available on services such as iTunes

The game's progression is said to cover the band's early days starting out in Liverpool, then pass through the psychedelic phase of Srg. Pepper, into the self-titled 'White Album', Abbey Road, everything in between, and even things we've never heard before that the band never released, which on its own mkes this game worth the price of admission already to people like me. In addition to the audio also comes never before seen video.

New?

AndywinXp

05-01-2009, 04:09 AM

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-previews/315.html

Why would Harmonix put 45 songs in a BluRay Disk or in a HD DVD?

whofan

05-01-2009, 08:06 AM

Why would Harmonix put 45 songs in a BluRay Disk or in a HD DVD?
Because it's false info. The 45 song rumour started around the time of the first announcement and was quickly debunked by HMXSean. They have not revealed how many songs are going to be on the disc yet and until it comes from the mouths of HMX themselves, I wouldn't believe it at this point. There have been far too many false rumours so far about this game.

This article seems to be regurgitating what was being said around the time of the first announcement and may be outdated yet. All Hmx has officially said about exportability is "No Comment", so unless they cite a HMX source, I wouldn't listen just yet.

Heck, they even only list Dhani as being a model for the game. We already know that he's been doing much more than just that already. So I would say that this site is just spouting out-dated information.

Abaddon

05-01-2009, 08:14 AM

Why would Harmonix put 45 songs in a BluRay Disk or in a HD DVD?The Xbox 360 supports only dual-layer DVD9 (as does the Wii), not HD-DVD. Of course, they could still hold a lot more than 45 songs. It would be pretty disappointing if the game came with only 45 songs. Still a must buy, though.

Sayburr

05-01-2009, 08:20 AM

Yes, I have to agree. I will not post to the first page about song compatibility with RB until we hear something official since HMX has constantly said, "No comment" and the article repeats the 45 song rumor that HMXSean said was untrue.

I do thank you very much for posting that information because it was a new source, I personally don’t think it reliable enough to add it to the first post, however.

*******************************

Now, to discuss what the article said... I find it hard to believe the agreement to put the Beatles music in RB would be the same as iTunes. There is only ONE player that can use the digital verson from Rock Band and that verson cannot be pirated because the liscense for the song is tied to a specific gamertag/system...

foolosophy

05-01-2009, 08:42 AM

TheKitchenMan

05-01-2009, 09:05 AM

Plus, The Beatles are coming to iTunes anyway so that analogy goes out the window.

Where's the source on that one 'cause I missed that somewhere...

Sayburr, good call on not posting anything from that article. It was a worthless piece of poo.

foolosophy

05-01-2009, 09:08 AM

Where's the source on that one 'cause I missed that somewhere...

Sayburr, good call on not posting anything from that article. It was a worthless piece of poo.

http://gizmodo.com/365630/paul-mccartney-signs-400-million-itunes-deal-for-the-beatles-catalog

whofan

05-01-2009, 09:14 AM

http://gizmodo.com/365630/paul-mccartney-signs-400-million-itunes-deal-for-the-beatles-catalog
You didn't read the entire article, did you?

Besides which, there was another story a little while ago (after this story came out) about how relations had broken down with Apple and The Beatles were looking to set up their own service, so I'm calling shennanigans on this article.

Edit: ESPECIALLY seeing as it was from March of last year

TheKitchenMan

05-01-2009, 09:51 AM

You didn't read the entire article, did you?

Besides which, there was another story a little while ago (after this story came out) about how relations had broken down with Apple and The Beatles were looking to set up their own service, so I'm calling shennanigans on this article.

Edit: ESPECIALLY seeing as it was from March of last year

This. You beat me to it WhoFan. I thought that it was to good to be true. News that big just doesn't slip by the Beatles fans on this forum. It is really imperative to look at sources on the internet. You've got 2 articles in this thread that prove it.

foolosophy

05-01-2009, 09:53 AM

This. You beat me to it WhoFan. I thought that it was to good to be true. News that big just doesn't slip by the Beatles fans on this forum. It is really imperative to look at sources on the internet. You've got 2 articles in this thread that prove it.

Apologies on that one. I didn't even notice that. I could've sworn the article was 2009. Sorry folks.

TheKitchenMan

05-01-2009, 09:55 AM

Apologies on that one. I didn't even notice that. I could've sworn the article was 2009. Sorry folks.

No harm, no foul...

T-Hybrid

05-01-2009, 10:49 AM

New Rock Band: Beatles Details...

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-previews/315.html

New?
No. It looks like a compilation of old rumors and random hearsay. You have more accurate info reading this thread than that article.

Sayburr

05-01-2009, 02:01 PM

New Rock Band: Beatles Details...
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-previews/315.html
New?

In response to the PSXextreme.com "preview" HMX had this to say:

Just want to clarify something for everyone.

PSX Extreme has not seen the game, nor did they speak to anyone at Harmonix or MTV Games before writing this "preview." Near as I can tell, they collected a variety of rumor and conjecture floating around the internet, threw it all in a pot, simmered to a light boil, then posted it up as a story rooted in "fact." Sheer professionalism, if I've ever seen it.

Suffice it to say, we haven't announced any additional details on The Beatles Rock Band, and we certainly didn't do it via this story. For the sake of not getting everyone riled up over nonsense, just wanted to make that clear to everybody.

deadpool247

05-01-2009, 02:15 PM

How does this "achievement" sound:

"The Long and Winding Setlist" -- complete the Endless Setlist.

Julio_Strikes_Back

05-01-2009, 03:26 PM

Yeah, that source doesn't seem very credible. But I won't be surprised if that turns out to be the case.

santoron

05-01-2009, 07:19 PM

Yes, I have to agree. I will not post to the first page about song compatibility with RB until we hear something official since HMX has constantly said, "No comment" and the article repeats the 45 song rumor that HMXSean said was untrue.

While I know HMXSean has shot down 45 songs as confirmed, I do find it interesting when I looked up the game's website on yahoo, It lists 45 tracks in the blurb about itself. I have no idea who wrote the description, or how such things are made, but since it's obviously not an official source, Harmonix might tell whomever responsible to remove the blurb. Because Seeing it attached to the offical site's link sure makes it Look official.

iamtheddrman

05-01-2009, 07:53 PM

While I know HMXSean has shot down 45 songs as confirmed, I do find it interesting when I looked up the game's website on yahoo, It lists 45 tracks in the blurb about itself. I have no idea who wrote the description, or how such things are made, but since it's obviously not an official source, Harmonix might tell whomever responsible to remove the blurb. Because Seeing it attached to the offical site's link sure makes it Look official.
It appears on Lycos and Yahoo, but not on Google or Ask.com. Seems like the more reliable search engines got it right, and the other ones are just posting hearsay as a "synopsis" of the site.

TheKitchenMan

05-02-2009, 03:33 PM

How does this "achievement" sound:

"The Long and Winding Setlist" -- complete the Endless Setlist.

Sounds good. I really do hope they do a Endless Setlist on the Beatles. Playing straight through their career would be a blast! I don't know why I haven't thought of that before.

AndywinXp

05-02-2009, 06:20 PM

While I know HMXSean has shot down 45 songs as confirmed, I do find it interesting when I looked up the game's website on yahoo, It lists 45 tracks in the blurb about itself. I have no idea who wrote the description, or how such things are made, but since it's obviously not an official source, Harmonix might tell whomever responsible to remove the blurb. Because Seeing it attached to the offical site's link sure makes it Look official.

Well this rumor is false. I think.
I would not pay 59€ or 200€ for 45 songs. I'd pay 59€ for at least 80 songs. That would be good.

(Sorry for any mistake. I'm italian, for god sake :D)

iamtheddrman

05-02-2009, 07:15 PM

Well this rumor is false. I think.
I would not pay 59€ or 200€ for 45 songs. I'd pay 59€ for at least 80 songs. That would be good.

(Sorry for any mistake. I'm italian, for god sake :D)
I definitely wouldn't count on 80 songs being in the game. The GH band-specific games have features less than 60 songs each, and that included songs from bands that weren't Aerosmith or Metallica. I'd think 60 would be about as high as we would get, though it wouldn't be impossible to get more

Rod_Stixx

05-02-2009, 08:16 PM

While I know better than to expect a particular number of songs, I'm hoping we'll see closer to 80 than 45. If we only get 45ish, I'd really, really hope we will see some DLC. I would love to get my rock on with as many Beatles tracks as possible!

AndywinXp

05-03-2009, 03:49 AM

If we only get 45ish, I'd really, really hope we will see some DLC.
Yes but, you know, the game is 59€, it's a very highpriced game if we talk about Wii version. It's not good to pay that sum and have only 45 songs, and a lot of 2$ DLC, IMHO.

TheKitchenMan

05-03-2009, 06:29 AM

45 songs of DLC would cost $90 at regular price. But, having said that, I too would be disappointed in just 45 songs.

AndywinXp

05-03-2009, 06:45 AM

Abaddon

05-03-2009, 10:57 AM

Yes but, you know, the game is 59€, it's a very highpriced game if we talk about Wii version. It's not good to pay that sum and have only 45 songs, and a lot of 2$ DLC, IMHO.Wii users are funny. You (I mean generically, not you specifically) complain about not getting feature parity with the more expensive console versions; when you get feature parity you still expect the price to be cheaper. You can't have it both ways.

Abaddon

05-03-2009, 11:02 AM

There are also some short songs which cost 2$. I don't think it's fair. A Beatles song is about 2 minutes. It's a very very short lenght. Some songs should have a variable cost because of their lenght IMHO. I think that 2$ is a very very very good price for songs which lenght is beetween 3 minutes and 4 minutes and a half, but not a good price for 2 minutes songs.Nobody (not Itunes, whoever) charges by length. By your argument, 10 minute songs should cost $4.

Yes, Beatles songs tend to be short. When you buy a Beatles CD do you complain because the CD only has 30 minutes of music as opposed to 70 minutes for bands with longer songs? Here's a hint: the price isn't cheaper because the CD is shorter either...

moose39

05-03-2009, 01:45 PM

Mind you guys, the songs in the game are all Beatles songs. 80 Beatles songs would be going a bit too far.

There can't be that much unreleased content, right?

iamtheddrman

05-03-2009, 01:58 PM

Mind you guys, the songs in the game are all Beatles songs. 80 Beatles songs would be going a bit too far.

There can't be that much unreleased content, right?
Well, the game won't be ALL unreleased content or nobody would want it. What would a Beatles game be without Penny Lane, Hey Jude, and She Loves You?

Just the "Past Masters" CDs have 33 tracks, which are pretty much all their big singles, correct? There are plenty of other songs they released that would be great for the game, and I'm sure HMX will go for some deep cuts too. So I have a hard time believing there will only be 45 songs, but also don't think they'll make it to 80 songs on-disc. Maybe with DLC, but not for regular disc price.

AndywinXp

05-03-2009, 04:18 PM

Wii users are funny. You (I mean generically, not you specifically) complain about not getting feature parity with the more expensive console versions; when you get feature parity you still expect the price to be cheaper. You can't have it both ways.
You're right. If I only have the money I'd buy an Xbox360.

Rod_Stixx

05-03-2009, 05:01 PM

Mind you guys, the songs in the game are all Beatles songs. 80 Beatles songs would be going a bit too far.

There can't be that much unreleased content, right?

Any unreleased content will be limited, I think. Maybe a track or two. As for going too far? Not a chance. The more Beatles the better. That's like saying "Aren't 600 tracks too many for RB?" No way. More Beatles! What are the other options? Have less Beatles, and get bored of 40 tracks faster than you would of 80?

Jordashebasics

05-03-2009, 10:18 PM

Just the "Past Masters" CDs have 33 tracks, which are pretty much all their big singles, correct?

The Past Masters disks are a little strange. They're mostly a collection of singles and B-sides. The mixes for the singles are a little different than the mixes for the album versions.

Northern_Blitz

05-03-2009, 10:32 PM

deadpool247

05-03-2009, 10:39 PM

You're right. If I only have the money I'd buy an Xbox360.

I have a Wii and 360, so I'm not sweating details. :)

GNFfhqwhgads

05-03-2009, 11:21 PM

There are also some short songs which cost 2$. I don't think it's fair. A Beatles song is about 2 minutes. It's a very very short lenght. Some songs should have a variable cost because of their lenght IMHO. I think that 2$ is a very very very good price for songs which lenght is beetween 3 minutes and 4 minutes and a half, but not a good price for 2 minutes songs.
Time has no effect on song prices anywhere.

It's the same concept as quality/quantity. It comes down to if you're going to buy it for the song or the time it takes to go through.

iamtheddrman

05-04-2009, 03:30 AM

The Past Masters disks are a little strange. They're mostly a collection of singles and B-sides. The mixes for the singles are a little different than the mixes for the album versions.
Yeah I noticed several songs sounded a little different than the originals. Looking at the tracklist though, it seems like the majority of their big hits. Combine that with "1" and add in a few deep cuts and I think the game would have a pretty solid setlist. It would bring it to around 60 songs, as I've said before :)

Mr-TyK

05-04-2009, 05:16 AM

This is going to be bigger than Jesus. ;)

:D Somebody HAD to say it.

Thanks

mugs

05-04-2009, 05:26 AM

whofan

05-04-2009, 08:04 AM

I'm thinking 45 beatles songs would be ... well... ideal...

I don't see Harmonix putting out much more than 45... 55 tops on disc...

While it hasn't been confirmed/announced... you just know there's going to be a ton of DLC for this game.
See, I think an 80 song on disc setlist would be perfect for the following reasons:
1) It would give players a chance to play ALL of the big hits, and quite a few lesser known songs. It would give people a chance to become acquainted with quite a few great deep cuts.
2) The Beatles catalogue is not exactly huge, and this would complete most of that catalogue
3) DLC focus could be put on solo works (and the rest of The Beatles cannon (including "Real Love" and "Free As A Bird")).

Of course, I'm not really in charge of this, but that's how I see it.

AndywinXp

05-04-2009, 08:38 AM

I absolutely want to play All You Need Is Love. It has got bass guitar, lead guitar, a banjo (rhythm guitar), drums and pretty good harmonies. Why not?

whofan

05-04-2009, 08:47 AM

I absolutely want to play All You Need Is Love. It has got bass guitar, lead guitar, a banjo (rhythm guitar), drums and pretty good harmonies. Why not?
Because it's one of The Beatles worst songs?

Seriously though, the track list isn't known yet. But I would bet my bottom dollar that that song will either be on the disc, or in one of the first waves of DLC.

Jordashebasics

05-04-2009, 10:27 AM

Because it's one of The Beatles worst songs?

I actually wrote a paper in college about how this song is an example of a perfectly written song.

whofan

05-04-2009, 10:38 AM

I actually wrote a paper in college about how this song is an example of a perfectly written song.
Wow, really?

Well, music is a very subjective thing. I personally feel that is one of their worst-written pop-pandering songs. (Even saying that, it still eclipses most other band's work).

Songs like "Help", "Rain" and "Come Together" are much better written and take many more chances and experiment more.

deadpool247

05-04-2009, 02:12 PM

I actually wrote a paper in college about how this song is an example of a perfectly written song.

Yeah? What did you get on that paper?

AndywinXp

05-04-2009, 02:54 PM

Wow, really?

Well, music is a very subjective thing. I personally feel that is one of their worst-written pop-pandering songs. (Even saying that, it still eclipses most other band's work).

Songs like "Help", "Rain" and "Come Together" are much better written and take many more chances and experiment more.

And I was talking about MUSIC. Not lyrics. The lyrics are not the best part of the song.
But if you heard the horrible CD version, you should listen to the Love Album mix, that's a very good remaster. The harpsichord is awesome, and the orchestra shouldn't have been recorded IMHO.

And after all this game is a commercial thing. So why not putting a song which everyone knows?

whofan

05-04-2009, 03:24 PM

And I was talking about MUSIC. Not lyrics. The lyrics are not the best part of the song.
But if you heard the horrible CD version, you should listen to the Love Album mix, that's a very good remaster. The harpsichord is awesome, and the orchestra shouldn't have been recorded IMHO.

And after all this game is a commercial thing. So why not putting a song which everyone knows?
Even musically, I still believe that it's well below most of their other stuff.

I have the original LP version, the CD version (which is pretty bad), and the Love version. I do agree that the Love version is clearly the best version though.

Anyways, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one before we drag this off-topic further.

Julio_Strikes_Back

05-04-2009, 03:25 PM

The last three songs on Love for me are scratched to hell. :(

Jordashebasics

05-04-2009, 03:27 PM

The paper was in a class that was a little unorthodox. We were supposed to write something like 10 papers throughout the semester, he would make comments about each one, then at the end of the semester, we would turn in our three favorites for him to grade.

I got an A in the class, that paper was one of the ones that I turned in. No A+s offered as grades in that college though.

The only weaknesses in All You Need Is Love are mostly that the drums and the solo are a little too straightforward.

I actually have a preference for the way the drums are done on the Across The Universe soundtrack.

timmay9

05-04-2009, 07:46 PM

Note, this is based on my own formed conclusions:

I know that we will have very early Beatles material. I believe Harmonix learned their lesson from the Who's Next fiasco, and had a requirement in their contract with Apple making sure masters were usable, or no dice. That way they didn't just pay a huge chunk of change to have a good portion of their material unusable.

So when it was announced that it would feature stuff from Please Please Me to Abbey Road, that all that stuff is usable. This gives hope for future releases of songs that only have 2 or 4 tracks.

justin19954

05-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Yeah I wonder what they're gonna do about the 2 tracks.

Julio_Strikes_Back

05-04-2009, 08:39 PM

Giles Martin is helping HMX, and he's a production genius just like his dad. Also the game isn't too far from release so I'm sure they've jumped those obvious hurdles by now.

justin19954

05-04-2009, 09:02 PM

Well I know that I mean that must have taken ages to get it perfect.

Rod_Stixx

05-04-2009, 09:24 PM

You know that Martin gained a lot of knowledge from his father. Working with those masters already for the Love production, they've been fooling around with the recordings an awfully long time. I'm hoping we'll get some interviews/articles on the process of preparing the tracks for the game, and the remasters (I'm sure we will see some of this). The process has probably been fascinating.

Loved the "Making Of Sgt. Pepper" documentary back in the 90s that detailed some of the elements of recording that classic album.

BruceDickinson

05-04-2009, 09:41 PM

I've got some exciting information about the Beatles multi track masters. After reading this I am very excited for the game and for the reissues of the catalog. Check this out, its a long read but well worth it. I found this through google on accident but it's really great information.

http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/m-1197109661/

For those interested in the technical side of things here is an explanation of the EMI mastering process, and information about the 'new' tapes by Jeff Westerman, via Terry Ott's blog. It is long, be warned!

Part One

Somewhere at Abbey Road there are miles of shelves, and on those miles of shelves are many many boxes which hold the "Master" tapes made by the Beatles.

The width of these tapes is 1", which is the most generous distribution of signal to media ever; meaning that each of the four tracks is allocated 1/4" of the tape width. This is good. The tape machine runs at 15 inches per second (ips), which was state-of-the-art at the time, and is still the favored mastering speed of many engineers. Tape can run as slowly as 1 7/8 inches per second past the heads, or 33/4 ips, or 7 1/2 ips or 30 ips.

The higher the tape speed, the better the resolution the sound has. Abbey Road recorded at 15 ips and mixed at 15 ips, sometimes at 7 1/2 ips. They also were geniuses at squeezing more sound out of or onto tape than almost anybody, so they could use different speeds almost as sound effects. In their hands, a slower speed might sound grittier, but just as musical. And the Beatles always enjoyed pushing the parameters.

Each Studer J37 4-track machine recorded each little track on 1/4" of the passing 1" tape. Upon playback, the output signal of each discrete track was fed to a separate input on the mixing desk. Each track was represented on this desk by a fader and some knobs in a vertical strip. Each track was playable to its given volume by how loud the fader was set.

Each fader strip also had a "pan" knob, which could be turned (picture a clock-face) in an arc between 7 o'clock on the left and 5 o'clock on the right. At 12 o'clock, the sound appeared to the listener's ear to be coming from the middle, when it actually came from each extreme side equally, creating the illusion of a "center." When the knob was turned to the 7 o'clock spot, the sound appeared to come only from the left of the spectrum, and at 5 o'clock, only from the right.

When multiple sounds were combined upon playback from discrete tracks, they could therefore each be placed at any chosen point in the left-to-right stereo spectrum. Greater separation was achievable with such panning.

A typical Beatles recording of the day would have the drums all recorded onto Track One, with lead guitar(s) and maybe a percussion part on Track 2, the bass onto Track 3, and the lead vocal and other solo and incidental sounds on Track 4. The drums on Track One would be set at 12 o'clock in the mix to give the song its center of gravity.

The lead guitar on Trk 2 would be slightly to one side, at 9 or 3 o'clock so it would stand out of the mix without having to be played too loud. The bass part would usually be mixed into the 12 o'clock position also, because it was a critical aspect of that center of gravity, too.

The lead vocal part would be mixed maybe at 1 or 2 o'clock in the mix, centering it but keeping it occupying its own space by having it slightly to the side. Sideways enough to make it very clear and commanding, but not tilted so far as to make the whole mix feel like it was "tilting" towards the right side.

The point of all this is that mixes are infinitely variable. Many engineers played with hard-panning, i.e., as on the early Beatles' American albums, where the band would be coming out hard on one side or the other, and the vocals would be all disembodied but crystal clear coming out the opposite side of the mix range. Interesting if you wanted to hear elements in virtual isolation, but hardly cohesive music! (Great for guitar lessons, though!)

The reel of tape that these tracks were originally recorded on would be called the "Master." Logically enough. But also logically enough, the tape deck spinning next to this multi-track deck, recording all this blended sound to a tape reel all its own, was also called the "Master" tape. In a sense, both terms are correct, but this redundancy can be hell on the archives.

Here in America, the multitrack tape is usually known as the "Multitrack Master," the tape the mix is captured on is called the "Master Mix," and the third reel - the one onto which the correctly sequenced and edited mixes are copied, is often called the "Production Master." Clear as this would seem to be, many studios are plagued with problems when they try to find the correct generations of various tapes (including Abbey Road!).

A multitrack master which has four full tracks on it can be mixed in as many ways as there are ways of hearing the discrete elements of sound in juxtaposition. It's all about preference, and, back in the day, it was all done "by hand," meaning that every element of that mix had to fall properly into place throughout, as it was being made, or else the whole process had to be repeated because of a mixing error made at any point in the song.

Mixing "live" like the Beatles did it can become just as much a performance as actually making the original recording. An alchemy occurs in mixing, too, and when that "golden" mix starts falling together, everyone in the control room knows it and starts to hold their breaths for fear that all their great work can be for naught if someone messes up a fader move during the remainder of that particular mix.

Often, if a mix was perfect up until a given point, another mix would be made and spliced onto the first one at a point just past where the first error happened, salvaging all that effort.

So, no sooner do you stop sweating your way through the live performance and tense overdubs of the master tape, then you begin another set of nerve-wracking performances called mixing.

All of this is highly collaborative, and all of this suspense has been effectively done away with in the modern computer age of recording, because every move the engineer makes while mixing is remembered by the computer and all those moves are then re-enacted by the computer on every subsequent playback.

Every tonal refinement is built-in, so that by the time the tracks are playing back with full mix automation, everyone in the control room is simply watching the faders zip around the mixing desk, perfection in motion. It sounds great, but one does come to miss that element of risk, of danger, of chance!

The Sgt. Pepper mults I heard on the radio were made in-house, I'm sure. And for what purpose - I'm quite unsure. Like I said when it first came up, I think it's in-house review material.

The only way to determine if there's interesting material hiding in your master tapes is to listen to every inch of them. It sounds a bit like they took every coherent separate element and made mixes of them. For example, the song Sgt. Pepper makes for a great, high-energy rhythm track, so it works to make a hot mix of just the band, in today's fidelity.

The mix that consists of mainly McCartney's lead vocal is exciting because it shows people what an incredible singer he was even when you take away his complimentary musical surroundings.

Sometimes the only way to properly hear a constituent track of a song is to do away with all the other parts and just listen straight through to that one track, a la the strings-only SHE'S LEAVING HOME, or the guitar-only Sgt. Pepper. The single part, in isolation, may not prove to be a thrilling listen all by its lonesome, but you never can tell until you've had the patience to do just that.

So I think they created "mixes" of the Sgt. Pepper album (quite possibly during the period of the album's actual gestation) which were intended simply as "reference" mixes. Reference mixes are those which are meant to just present a straightforward playback of one or more tracks - no fancy mixing layers, devoid of sound effects, not intent on being flattering so much as revealing.

Did Paul play good bass all the way through on that track last night? Isolate just the bass, make him a good quality copy of it, let him take it home, and soon he'll be back with his decisions on what to do next.

Like I said before, these would be the kind of tapes George Martin would take away to write scores for - all business, no gloss, just the facts, m'am. I also think the story you heard about these being from the Anthology era could well be true, because I'm sure they did a lot of this kind of breaking-it-down mixing as they chose the elements they used to create those " composite mixes" of several different takes of the same song.

Musical coherence was not the goal here. Fact-finding was. They wanted to know what they had "in the can" from this album. It didn't have to be pretty, and it often isn't, even when the end results are. For example, all recordings have "leakage" from the headphones getting onto the mic, especially vocal and solo acoustic instrument overdubs.

These ghosts of sound are normally swallowed up by the presence of all the mixed-in musical tracks, but they stand out a mile when you listen to a track of what that open mic is hearing while someone's waiting to sing! And when it's our boys waiting to sing, then things get pretty damned interesting! These are the nuts-and-bolts built into any album ever recorded, and, if you love the process, it never gets any less fascinating.

To answer a couple of your questions... These tracks, as they come to us, are technically in stereo. This is because the format they're recorded on is 2-track stereo, for CD or radio play. But the original Multitrack Masters can never be other than individual mono tracks. One sound on one track can only play back one physical signal.
True, single sounds can be treated through stereo f/x gear, and then they will seem to emanate from the full range of left-to-right. But that's only after the sound has been treated outside the realm of the master tape. Conversely, true stereo is achievable on a multi-track master, like so: I want to record a grand piano and, to reveal its full dimension, I want to incorporate the sound from the predominantly left-hand strings as well as give equal focus to the right-hand strings. I put a mic over the strings nearer to my left hand and record that to one track of the multitrack master, while at the same time I repeat this process on a new track with a separate mic to capture the right hand sound.

Upon playback, I turn the pan knob on the left-hand mic's track to the left, and pan the right-hand track to the right. The piano playback will now create the very convincing spatial illusion of coming at me from two distinct sides. This is a great sound, but was very rarely done back in the days of 4-track recording because no one had the tracks to lavish on such verisimilitude. About the best stereo recording attempted back then, was recording a drum set in stereo with two overhead mics and two separate tracks. But that was quite rare until the advent of 8-track.

Which leads to another point you mention: you'd heard that Pepper was recorded on two 4-track machines. That's both true and completely untrue. Allow me to save the description of multi-generational recording, a.k.a."bouncing" to Part Two of this treatise, which I now realize is becoming inevitable.

Pepper is definitely a multi-generational album, and that process is fascinating, and that process will be it's salvation should EMI ever choose to really remix it! The fidelity of the master tapes in those vaults will prove to be unbelievable. Experts will scratch their heads and say "How did they do that way back then?" when they hear the glorious quality of those tapes. And we'll say "How? They were the Beatles, son! Things got done!"

BruceDickinson

05-04-2009, 09:41 PM

Part Two

REDUCTION MIXES a.k.a. "BOUNCING - DOWN"

Reduction mixing is at the heart of the 1967 Sgt. Pepper methodology, brought about by necessity. Having been opened up to the creative possibilities of 4-track recording, the desire for a greater number of recordable tracks would have been enormous. And EMI's engineers responded with great exactitude and creativity.

The method for creating more than the apparent 4 tracks worked this way. The engineers filled the tape with the basic elements of a song. For example :

Track 1: Drums
Track 2 : Bass
Track 3: Guitars, Percussion
Track 4 : Lead Vocal

If the song still needed more parts, the solution was to take the 4 parts recorded and put them through the mixing desk, where they'd be shaped into a solid mix. That mix, now basically a stereo, left-to-right panorama, would be sent through the two main mixer outputs to either one or two inputs on a waiting twin 4-track tape recorder.

Sometimes all four tracks would be (boldly) combined to one track of the receiving machine. This meant that 4 tracks had now been "reduced" to one dense track on a fresh reel of tape on a new tape machine.

The original 4-track tape would now go into storage (remember this detail, it's very important), and all work hence would take place on this 2nd tape and second machine. The Beatles were very thrifty in their use of track space, so as many parts as were practical and compatible would be done on each new track.

If someone was to be doing a vocal, the backing vocals were often done at the same time, onto a 2nd microphone, but sharing the same track. Any instrument being overdubbed was likely to share its track with another one, say a guitar part being supplemented by percussion, or two keyboards being played at the same time, ala Martin and Lennon's duet keys on Mr. Kite.

Recording at this rate of density, the 2nd 4-track tape had to be filled up carefully before they ran out of new space. This apparently did sometimes happen, and then that 2nd generation tape would actually be reduced one more time to another waiting 4-track deck.

This process of copying some of the signals onto a 3rd tape generation (copying it 3 times) was a very risky one, as the quality of these copies would noticeably deteriorate, no matter how careful these masterful engineers were.

But when you do the math and figure out how many separate sounds would have been included in a given song by the time it had been reduced once or even twice, with 4 or 5 musicians contributing whenever possible, that would likely make for a very high track count. While they may have "only" used 8 or 10 tracks, they packed them as full as was humanly possible!

On the highly rare occasion when they tried to press two 4-track machines into service simultaneously (see Geoff Emerick's description of the orchestral sessions on A Day In the Life in his book Here, There, & Everywhere), they pioneered the first instance of two machines being locked together in sync, which was a process of mind-boggling frustration.

But it worked, and gave them the advantage of tracking the orchestral mayhem on that song four times, each recording of which could be later pressed into service when they were mixing the song. The main point of all these separate tracks would be that it was preferable to hold off the ultimate blending of individual songs until the last possible moment, so as to preserve the integrity of each sound.

From there, when the recording was finished, they would mix from the last 4-track tape used. The actual job of "bouncing" tracks down between two machines would go a long way towards refining the quality of the sounds, with many critical effects and edits having taken place during the transfer, so that the mixing process could be used to really concentrate on the proportions and aesthetics of the blended sounds.

And the Beatles did much of their critical mixing in collaborative sessions, with all members present, which meant that a degree of exactitude could be achieved which modern automation still draws inspiration from.

One of the most fascinating aspects of this work method is this : all those 1st and 2nd reels of 4-track masters still exist, carefully stored away at the moment they were done contributing to a reduction master. If the powers-that-be decided to create a deluxe, remixed, 5.1 version of Sgt. Pepper tomorrow, they would be working with the greatest treasure trove of master tape elements in existence.

Even as exacting an engineer as Geoff Emerick has gone on record stating that when he took these tapes out of storage to remix them for the Beatles Anthology in the mid-90's, he was absolutely stunned by a fidelity of sound he felt had still not even been equalled by today's recording techniques.

I think he can well be believed, since we've already heard those very multi-tracks, pristinely, on the Yellow Submarine Songtrack in 1999, and on the Love album last year. A marriage of the best of both technical ages, 1967 and the present, is about to be unveiled when the Beatles' body of work is re-released.

A re-mastered catalogue will be great enough, but if the technical team has finally been permitted to remix the masters and create modern reproductions of these mixes, or, dare I even say it, 5.1 mixes, then we will be in for the greatest single thrill in audio since, well, since this music was first released.

I think it's safe to say that, gorgeous as these albums sound to us, we've still never heard them play back as they did in the control room at No. 2 Abbey Road on the day they were made. With the technology we've now got available to us, that revelation may at last be just around the corner. And the better understood their recording accomplishments are, the better the Beatles will sound when the moment of truth arrives!

Jeff Westerman
November 2007

©Jeff Westerman

Terry Ott's blog can be found here:
http://terryott.blogspot.com

iamtheddrman

05-05-2009, 01:52 AM

Bruce, that was fantastic to read! I understand a lot more about the way these tracks were recorded in the first place and how HMX will be able to actually use these masters to make the game without changing the Rock Band formula so much that it's unrecognizable. I'm more excited now about the re-release of music than I was too! Thanks for posting that

jobn

05-05-2009, 03:50 AM

I just got an E-mail saying that the pre-order club is now live!:)

iamtheddrman

05-05-2009, 03:55 AM

I just got an E-mail saying that the pre-order club is now live!:)
Yeah I just got that a few minutes ago too. I really don't want to preorder the game through GameStop though. Does anybody know if Best Buy is doing the preorder club thing?

RMThompson

05-05-2009, 07:41 AM

Yeah I just got that a few minutes ago too. I really don't want to preorder the game through GameStop though. Does anybody know if Best Buy is doing the preorder club thing?

The email I got had a link to list the retailers that were going to be doing it, however the link seems to be broken.

Anyone got a look at the exclusive controllers they mentioned yet?

Ryan

AutoShop

05-05-2009, 07:58 AM

I htink we may now the identity of at least one confirmed track for the game...

In the pre-order email I received the esrb rating noted that the game contains 'mild lyrics' and 'tabacco references' - I'm a beatles fan but cant pick the song(s) it may be referring to - Anyone care to guess?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

whofan

05-05-2009, 08:05 AM

HailHalford

05-05-2009, 08:09 AM

Tobacco?

"I'm so Tired"and "A Day in the Life"

Jordashebasics

05-05-2009, 08:21 AM

The mild language and tobacco warning could apply to cutscenes... though it's more likely in the songs.

The remastering thing is good to hear. I didn't know about much of the process mentioned in the first half (specifically, what type of settings they were recording with).

But I'm glad to hear that my suspicions about the masters were correct, that they'd have the original tapes before they were bounced down.
This still might not mean that they'd have the ability to make alternate drum mixes, but still, it's far better than anything else.

Sayburr

05-05-2009, 08:31 AM

Pre-order club is now open:
The correct URL is: http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/preorderclub/index.php
The one from the e-mail announcement was incorrect

Preorder from:
GameStop
Amazon.com
Best Buy
Sam's Club
FRYS.com

cherokeesam

05-05-2009, 08:52 AM

Gretsch Duo-Jet and the Rick confirmed! Joining Paul's violin bass!

WOOOOOOOOOOT! :) :) :)

(still woulda liked to see George's "Rocky", though)

noved

05-05-2009, 09:05 AM

Gretsch Duo-Jet and the Rick confirmed! Joining Paul's violin bass!

WOOOOOOOOOOT! :) :) :)

(still woulda liked to see George's "Rocky", though)

unless the Gretsch Duo-Jet or the Rick are included in the bundle, I still don't think it'll be worth the price tag they are asking.

AndywinXp

05-05-2009, 09:06 AM

Gretsch Duo-Jet and the Rick confirmed! Joining Paul's violin bass!

WOOOOOOOOOOT! :) :) :)

(still woulda liked to see George's "Rocky", though)

I always thought that George had a Gretsch Gentleman Model!

moose39

05-05-2009, 09:13 AM

I'm seriously considering buying the Rickenbacker.

If you're in the preorder club you can actually see them.

Inaudible-Whisper

05-05-2009, 09:16 AM

As I put in the pre-order thread:

Harrison's Gretsch Duo Jet Peripheral (http://www.thatgreatdave.com/RockBand/1.png)

Lennon's Rickenbacker 325 Peripheral (http://www.thatgreatdave.com/RockBand/a.png)

chas23

05-05-2009, 09:18 AM

I just pre-ordered through Amazon, but I didn't get my code for the "Club" yet. Has anyone else received their code?

Sayburr

05-05-2009, 10:14 AM

Sayburr

05-05-2009, 10:15 AM

I just pre-ordered through Amazon, but I didn't get my code for the "Club" yet. Has anyone else received their code?I just pre-ordered the bundle also... no code yet.

Jordashebasics

05-05-2009, 10:24 AM

I've never been especially interested in getting any RB or GH guitar, but those both look fantastic.

Electric_Zen

05-05-2009, 11:06 AM

If the powers-that-be decided to create a deluxe, remixed, 5.1 version of Sgt. Pepper tomorrow, they would be working with the greatest treasure trove of master tape elements in existence.

Please, please give us 5.1 remasters in September. I will pay big bucks for this.

Northern_Blitz

05-05-2009, 12:23 PM

From http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/preorderclub/

"The Pre-Order Club will provide you with breaking news and access to exclusive game elements including art and behind-the-scenes footage prior to the game’s release."

Original Announcement:

"Exclusive content created by Apple Corps, MTV Games and Harmonix will be made available to fans over the next few months who participate in a pre-order campaign through major retailers. More details on The Beatles: Rock Band game and pre-order will be revealed in the coming months."

Do people take this to mean that the advantage of the pre-order is that you get access to the elements before the release. My take on the original announcement was that pre-ordering would give you exclusive access to Beatles stuff.

HMX, can you please confirm if the pre-order gives access to exclusive content, or if it gives access to the game's content before it is released?

This is an important questions for consumers in order to determine if they will pre-order. Do I get more with the pre-order, or do I get early access (or both)?

whofan

05-05-2009, 12:50 PM

Lizard_King

05-05-2009, 02:47 PM

Sveppi

05-05-2009, 02:54 PM

The Gretsch looks fantastic! :)

Sayburr

05-05-2009, 03:00 PM

Sayburr, if you need another three part harmony link. heres one from rollingstone...
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/05/the-beatles-rock-band-reveals-vintage-guitars-opens-pre-orderThanks... The harmony part of that article references the same source as the one on the first page.

TheKitchenMan

05-05-2009, 03:12 PM

Sayburr, if you need another three part harmony link. heres one from rollingstone...
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/05/the-beatles-rock-band-reveals-vintage-guitars-opens-pre-order

New link but same source as they are just referencing Kotaku article again.

TheKitchenMan

05-09-2009, 05:42 AM

Four months from tomorrow. I'm hoping we'll start to see a few screen shots and hear a leaked setlist in the not to distant future.

Samuel346

05-09-2009, 06:30 AM

4/15/2009: The Beatles: Rock Band will allow multiple singers with different microphones to harmonize.

The only thing that actually interests me.

Julio_Strikes_Back

05-09-2009, 10:44 AM

Four months from tomorrow. I'm hoping we'll start to see a few screen shots and hear a leaked setlist in the not to distant future.

The Microsoft conference for E3 is on June 1st. That's probably when we get the motherload.

wlorcb

05-09-2009, 11:46 AM

The Microsoft conference for E3 is on June 1st. That's probably when we get the motherload.

I just hope that the release date will be the same for all platforms:)

Ramirez16

05-09-2009, 11:53 AM

Yeah can't wait until E3, didn't they announce RB2 setlist last year during E3?

Rod_Stixx

05-09-2009, 12:51 PM

Yeah, I'm figuring we'll start finding out a lot more about the game (possibly part of the setlist if not all?) when E3 hits. Definitely want to hear some more information.

GNFfhqwhgads

05-09-2009, 02:00 PM

I just hope that the release date will be the same for all platforms:)
It's been confirmed for months that it will see a worldwide, systemwide launch on 9/9/09. What point would there be in picking the rooftop anniversary if most of the releases in most of the regions weren't on that day?

Julio_Strikes_Back

05-09-2009, 02:33 PM

Yeah can't wait until E3, didn't they announce RB2 setlist last year during E3?

Yes. Hopefully they'll do the same for the Beatles RB.

TheKitchenMan

05-10-2009, 01:58 AM

It's been confirmed for months that it will see a worldwide, systemwide launch on 9/9/09. What point would there be in picking the rooftop anniversary if most of the releases in most of the regions weren't on that day?

Rooftop happened on January 30, 1969.

IErrantVentureI

05-10-2009, 03:18 AM

Rooftop happened on January 30, 1969.

Very sad day. :(

And 09/09/09 was more likely picked because of John's fondness of the number 9.

Or because it looks cool.

Or to steal the Dreamcast's thunder.

GypsyMaiden

05-10-2009, 08:44 AM

MY guess is they chose 09/09/09 because of the song "Revolution 9" from the "White Album". And why not, as 09/09/09 will never come again.

harveyglobetrot

05-10-2009, 09:29 AM

And why not, as 09/09/09 will never come again.

Errr, the 9th of September, 2109 called on behalf of all the other **09s to come. Unless you are one of those people who thinks the world will end in 2012, of course. -:D

craven_trio

05-10-2009, 10:16 AM

What point would there be in picking the rooftop anniversary if most of the releases in most of the regions weren't on that day?

Anniversary or not (and it's not, by the sound of it!), I'm sure that whatever the point was it would be the same as the normal reasoning (maximum estimated profit potential I guess?) for the staggered worldwide release of the RB series of games, with no announced dates outisde USA/Canada even well after the release there.

But not this time, and it's hardware and all platforms :D

Oh well unless you're in one of THOSE countries that aren't US/Canada/FewBigCountriesInEurope (you know, the majority of countries in the world). But at least they're releasing The Beatles in the UK on time and that's where I am and also where The Beatles were.

vcalzone

05-10-2009, 09:24 PM

MY guess is they chose 09/09/09 because of the song "Revolution 9" from the "White Album". And why not, as 09/09/09 will never come again.

Also might reference (in part) "The One After 909".

Rod_Stixx

05-10-2009, 09:49 PM

Which would be fun to play in the game (among the other hundreds of Beatles songs, of course).

TheKitchenMan

05-10-2009, 10:32 PM

Still, like was said before, it's all wrapped up in John's fondness for the number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9...

justin19954

05-10-2009, 11:17 PM

Turn me on dead man?

AutoShop

05-11-2009, 08:06 AM

I reckon that in the UK were going to get a additional song due to to release date 09.09.09.

999 is of course the telephone number for the emergency services here, so the song to best fit would be...

..."Help!"...I need somebody, help, not just anybody...

Wishful thinking eh?:rolleyes:

Sportzter

05-11-2009, 08:31 AM

TheKitchenMan

05-11-2009, 08:37 AM

odd-props

05-11-2009, 11:21 AM

999 upside down is 666!

It's the devil's music I tells ya.

jay4428

05-11-2009, 11:38 AM

Partial set list to be revealed at E3...

http://gamerlimit.com/2009/05/beatles-rockband-tracklist-partialy-revealed-at-e3/

whofan

05-11-2009, 11:51 AM

Partial set list to be revealed at E3...

http://gamerlimit.com/2009/05/beatles-rockband-tracklist-partialy-revealed-at-e3/
STOP TEASING US!!!

I'm sure I can find a big enough group to storm the HMX offices at this point!

justin19954

05-11-2009, 12:18 PM

Can't wait till E3!!

chumsicles

05-12-2009, 02:05 AM

Hmm. Looks like I'll be getting the Hofner replica (http://kotaku.com/5250177/paul-mccartneys-rock-band-bass-replica-looks-like-this)

TheKitchenMan

05-12-2009, 03:50 AM

Hmm. Looks like I'll be getting the Hofner replica (http://kotaku.com/5250177/paul-mccartneys-rock-band-bass-replica-looks-like-this)

It's pretty sharp looking and I'm definitely getting as I'm getting the bundle. I'm most anxious about the drums, though. I wish we'd hurry-up and get a first look at them.

TheKitchenMan

05-12-2009, 04:16 AM

Has anybody else noticed how many of these announcements seem to be broken by Kotaku? They must have some mad hook-up inside the HMX fortress.

snwns26

05-12-2009, 04:18 AM

Has anybody else noticed how many of these announcements seem to be broken by Kotaku? They must have some mad hook-up inside the HMX fortress.

They were probably told they couldn't reveal it until 5/12 and then they posted it right at midnight.

craven_trio

05-12-2009, 04:20 AM

Has anybody else noticed how many of these announcements seem to be broken by Kotaku? They must have some mad hook-up inside the HMX fortress.

Well I got the new pre-order club email this morning saying "Today’s update includes an exclusive first look at the The Beatles: Rock Band Höfner bass controller, a large-scale replica of the bass famously used by Sir Paul McCartney." So somebody who got that email sent the story to kotaku. If I had a code (come on amazon.co.uk :mad: ) I'd have seen the pic there before the kotaku link here.

They were probably told they couldn't reveal it until 5/12 and then they posted it right at midnight.

Some dude sent it in (and then wonders why there are 3 guitars for a 2 guitar game in the comments, doubt he's an HMX insider!), it's not a press release. Then again the time is exactly midnight...

TheKitchenMan

05-12-2009, 04:24 AM

Some dude sent it in (and then wonders why there are 3 guitars for a 2 guitar game in the comments, doubt he's an HMX insider!), it's not a press release. Then again the time is exactly midnight...

Probably, but you got to give them props, they are quick to the keyboard.

harveyglobetrot

05-12-2009, 04:33 AM

The Hofner looks very nice. It's probably my favourite of the bunch, allow the Gretsch is not far behind. If the whole deal gets released in Australia, I'll pick up the LE bundle + the Gretsch.

It seems like Tuesday night (my time) is going to be release time for new tidbits re: TB:RB. If this is going to last every week until 09/09/09, then Friday midnight (when the DLC announcement is online my time) may well have a new competitor in things I look forward to for the week. :D

miche.cs

05-12-2009, 05:38 AM

The Hofner looks very nice. It's probably my favourite of the bunch, allow the Gretsch is not far behind. If the whole deal gets released in Australia, I'll pick up the LE bundle + the Gretsch.
:D

I'm right there with you. I think I'll be doing the same. It's a lot of money to lay down I guess and if I don't have enought for the bundle and the Gretsch then I'll just get the bundle. Keep my Fender for parties etc and use the beatles instruments for myself so they don't get too messed up. I'm just worried about the drum kit. Hoping it's a bit sturdier. I broke my RB1 kit over a 8 month period!

harveyglobetrot

05-12-2009, 05:47 AM

I'm right there with you. I think I'll be doing the same. It's a lot of money to lay down I guess and if I don't have enought for the bundle and the Gretsch then I'll just get the bundle. Keep my Fender for parties etc and use the beatles instruments for myself so they don't get too messed up. I'm just worried about the drum kit. Hoping it's a bit sturdier. I broke my RB1 kit over a 8 month period!

Yeah, not wrong. As it seems that the Hofner won't have a split strum-bar, I'm reconsidering slightly going out getting the Gretsch. The LE bundle is a given. I need new drums, and my RB1 guitar is just about gone, while my GHIII LP is still battling on, but is starting to wear (OD doesn't always set off, held notes sometimes drop etc.) But I've still got 4 months or so to decide. If my LP is gone completely, I'll probably fork out for the Gretsch as well. If not, I may just hold on as long as possible.

But it's still likely I'll get the Gretsch to. All that's changed is now I'm 90:10, rather than 95:5.

Sayburr

05-12-2009, 09:10 AM

Added the link to the controller section on the OP.

That is a nice looking controller. I am more interested in the drums, however. I am still using the RB1 drums and am interested in getting the RB2 drums with cymbals... so, I am thinking this bundle will be my upgrade.

Ramirez16

05-12-2009, 11:00 AM

Sorry but this ****ing sucks. I was hoping that maybe the replica for Paul McCartney's instrument would actually be designed for a left handed player. Oh well...

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