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Originally Posted by Gowienczyk

Post-Punk isn't punk.

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/hypocrisy

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Originally Posted by Rocket2Russia

The VU is proto-alt, not proto-punk, first of all, and second of all, proto-punk could be considered (and is considered by most anyone on this forum) a sub-genre of punk, which is a much larger genre than you give it credit for being.

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What about my post indicates that I place protopunk as a small genre? I actually listen to a lot of music that is labelled as protopunk, such as Lou Reed, Hawkwind, The Stooges, The Velvet Underground (and yes, they'e WIDELY considered protopunk, and when I say WIDELY, I mean almost everyone in the whole freakin' world), Richard Hell, New York Dolls, and so on. I personally don't place protopunk as a genre, as the bands don't necessarily have a sound in common (see Lou Reed and Hawkwind), they're just strong influences of punk rock. Yes, it could be, but it's all up to the listener, and I personally don't. There's really no definition of protopunk other then it's influence on punk rock.

EDIT: So in other words, there's really no way to prove either of us right or wrong. I don't place protopunk as a subgenre of punk rock, rather a movement of music (like that of the British Invasion, which I also don't classify as a genre but some do), and you do place it as a genre. I'm fine with that.

Everybody has their own perspective of genres, especially genrephiles. :p

godspeed you! black emperor recs?

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Originally Posted by TheCoolGuy

godspeed you! black emperor recs?

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Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to The Heavens

or

F♯A♯∞ (if you are in an apocalyptic type mood)


those two are my favorites, just get ready to sit for a very long time.

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those two are my favorites, just get ready to sit for a very long time.

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What about my post indicates that I place protopunk as a small genre? I actually listen to a lot of music that is labelled as protopunk, such as Lou Reed, Hawkwind, The Stooges, The Velvet Underground (and yes, they'e WIDELY considered protopunk, and when I say WIDELY, I mean almost everyone in the whole freakin' world), Richard Hell, New York Dolls, and so on. I personally don't place protopunk as a genre, as the bands don't necessarily have a sound in common (see Lou Reed and Hawkwind), they're just strong influences of punk rock. Yes, it could be, but it's all up to the listener, and I personally don't. There's really no definition of protopunk other then it's influence on punk rock.

EDIT: So in other words, there's really no way to prove either of us right or wrong. I don't place protopunk as a subgenre of punk rock, rather a movement of music (like that of the British Invasion, which I also don't classify as a genre but some do), and you do place it as a genre. I'm fine with that.

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OK. LightningBolt, good job. You win the argument. You're completely and utterly right.

As for ZosoBaron, I stand by all of the recommendations given to you so far, including Unknown Pleasures and Raw Power, as most people who listen to a bit of punk find themselves exploring the genres/sub-genres of post-punk and proto-punk as well. Have fun with your new music.

thanks for the godspeed, will probably pick up skinny fists.

any modest mouse recs? i've already listened to good news, so where to go from there?

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thanks for the godspeed, will probably pick up skinny fists.

any modest mouse recs? i've already listened to good news, so where to go from there?

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"moon & antarctica" and "lonesome crowded west".

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OK. LightningBolt, good job. You win the argument. You're completely and utterly right.

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Way to come off like an ass, dude. I even said that there's really no way to prove either side right and acknowledged your opinion. I don't feel like my view is set-in-stone as being correct, as you must feel to come off with a pompous remark like that. If you don't feel like having a "debate" over this and explaining your views, that's fine, but there's no need to throw a hissy-fit, man.

Unless, of course, you're being sincere, but it doesn't seem likely.

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"moon & antarctica" and "lonesome crowded west".

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I second this post.

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Originally Posted by afterstasis

"moon & antarctica" and "lonesome crowded west".

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3rded

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What about my post indicates that I place protopunk as a small genre? I actually listen to a lot of music that is labelled as protopunk, such as Lou Reed, Hawkwind, The Stooges, The Velvet Underground (and yes, they'e WIDELY considered protopunk, and when I say WIDELY, I mean almost everyone in the whole freakin' world), Richard Hell, New York Dolls, and so on. I personally don't place protopunk as a genre, as the bands don't necessarily have a sound in common (see Lou Reed and Hawkwind), they're just strong influences of punk rock. Yes, it could be, but it's all up to the listener, and I personally don't. There's really no definition of protopunk other then it's influence on punk rock..

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lolno at the bold

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Originally Posted by Rocket2Russia

MC5 - Kick Out the Jams

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I just realized that I have no punk albums in my collection. Besides my current intentions to pick up MC5 and Misfits, any recommendations?

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*Ahem*

Anyway, I'll theses recs out. Thanks.

I am trying to help my brother's friend out. He is hanging out with the wrong crowd and is getting into lame music. I offered to help him find better bands in the genre, was wondering if you could give me 1 or 2 death metal bands...a quote from him:

"um i listen to alot of stuff like septic flesh,death metal,dimmu borgir,and
winds of plague"


I don't know if that is death metal or not but, you get my point.

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I am trying to help my brother's friend out. He is hanging out with the wrong crowd and is getting into lame music. I offered to help him find better bands in the genre, was wondering if you could give me 1 or 2 death metal bands...a quote from him:

"um i listen to alot of stuff like septic flesh,death metal,dimmu borgir,and
winds of plague"


I don't know if that is death metal or not but, you get my point.

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God.Fear.None
Hypocrisy
Necrophagia
Sacrementum (later stuff is black / death if I recall)

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Originally Posted by Gowienczyk

God.Fear.None
Hypocrisy
Necrophagia
Sacrementum (later stuff is black / death if I recall)

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Could I also get an album recommendations for them too? Thanks :)

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I am trying to help my brother's friend out. He is hanging out with the wrong crowd and is getting into lame music. I offered to help him find better bands in the genre, was wondering if you could give me 1 or 2 death metal bands...a quote from him:

"um i listen to alot of stuff like septic flesh,death metal,dimmu borgir,and
winds of plague"


I don't know if that is death metal or not but, you get my point.

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septic flesh really isn't bad, though the new album wasn't their strongest...

for death metal recommendations...
cadaver - necrosis
portal - seepia
autopsy - mental funeral
carcass - symphonies of sickness
gorguts - obscura

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Could I also get an album recommendations for them too? Thanks :)

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God.Fear.None (Envy)
Hypocrisy (The Arrival, Hypocrisy)
Necrophagia (Harvest Ritual Vol. 1)
Sacramentum (Thy Black Destiny, The Coming of Chaos, Far Away From The Sun)

Thanks guys, that should keep him busy this turkey-day break!

I finally got around to checking out Jawbox, and I'm really enjoying what I've heard so far. I'd like to find some similar stuff if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

Also, this:

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Anyone know of any bands similar to Failure and Hum? Basically any harder space rock bands you can think of...

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i'll see if an actual jawbox fan can help you with the first question...

space-rock
subarachnoid space - the red veil
pharaoh overlord - #1
earthless - rhythms from a cosmic sky
bardo pond - ticket crystals
kinski - alpine static
sianspheric - there's always someplace you'd rather be

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i'll see if an actual jawbox fan can help you with the first question...

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Works for me.

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space-rock
subarachnoid space - the red veil
pharaoh overlord - #1
earthless - rhythms from a cosmic sky
bardo pond - ticket crystals
kinski - alpine static
sianspheric - there's always someplace you'd rather be

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Thanks, I'll look into whichever of these I can find online. I somehow doubt my local music stores have even heard of those albums, let alone bothered to ever stock them.

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Originally Posted by bubblegumpop

I am trying to help my brother's friend out. He is hanging out with the wrong crowd and is getting into lame music. I offered to help him find better bands in the genre, was wondering if you could give me 1 or 2 death metal bands...a quote from him:

"um i listen to alot of stuff like septic flesh,death metal,dimmu borgir,and
winds of plague"


I don't know if that is death metal or not but, you get my point.

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Stuff that shouldn't be too much of a jump from his current listening, but will point him in the right direction:

Vreid - Milorg
Thurisaz - Circadian Rhythm
Arsis - A Celebration of Guilt
Revocation - Empire of the Obscene
Utopia Banished - Night of the Black Wyvern
Carcass - Heartwork
Wintersun - Wintersun
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane

Not strictly death metal, but stuff that should help him reach the point where he can jam out to Nunslaughter and Entombed with us.

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i'll see if an actual jawbox fan can help you with the first question...

space-rock
subarachnoid space - the red veil
pharaoh overlord - #1
earthless - rhythms from a cosmic sky
bardo pond - ticket crystals
kinski - alpine static
sianspheric - there's always someplace you'd rather be

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I'm not familiar with the first two bands, but based on what I've heard from Earthless, Bardo Pond, Kinsia, and SIANspheric, I wouldn't really think that's what he's looking for.

As for the actual question, I can't think of any bands that sound like Hum or Failure at the moment (though I know there are some), but I would recommend that you check some stuff out from the Hum/Failure collective, which is all really awesome stuff. From the Hum side of things, there's National Skyline (Bliss & Death is my top album of the year so far), Glifted (awesome shoegaze), and Centaur are all really good. On the Failure side, there's On, which sounds like a more electronic Failure, and Year of the Rabbit, which sounds like a less interesting Failure.

Have you tried Clockhammer? (@ stuff like Failure comment)

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I'm not familiar with the first two bands, but based on what I've heard from Earthless, Bardo Pond, Kinsia, and SIANspheric, I wouldn't really think that's what he's looking for.

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shhh, trying to squeeze the best space rock has to offer into his earholes!
those are very "rockin'/heavy" albums at times though, and i think he'd enjoy them all because he's cool like that.

besides, no one really seemed to manage sounding like hum without sucking.

question for stasis...

"love comes close" was brilliant. anything else worth checking out by them, or any other artists like cold cave worth checking out? i wasn't even aware modern synthpop existed.

I like to run alot. Any powerful songs that are fun to run to? Thanks for the help:)

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question for stasis...

"love comes close" was brilliant. anything else worth checking out by them, or any other artists like cold cave worth checking out? i wasn't even ware modern synthpop existed.

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check out cold cave's "cremations". it's a collection of previous EP's and other assorted small releases.

some other bands...
neon indian - psychic chasms
cut copy - in ghost colours
miike snow - self titled
telepathe - dance mother
hercules and love affair - self titled

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I finally got around to checking out Jawbox, and I'm really enjoying what I've heard so far. I'd like to find some similar stuff if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

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it was BNM'ed by Pitchfork... and you said you don't read Pitchfork! ;)

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I like to run alot. Any powerful songs that are fun to run to? Thanks for the help:)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45:33

I've listened to poptarti religiously, and even in my sleep, is there any other awesome Boredoms albums I should check out?

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I like to run alot. Any powerful songs that are fun to run to? Thanks for the help:)

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Power Pop and Power Metal are great to run to IMO check out Blind Guardian, Helloween, and Demons & Wizards

Where to start with Simon Joyner, M. Ward, and Daniel Johnston?

Also, is Monsters of Folk worth checking out?

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Where to start with Simon Joyner, M. Ward, and Daniel Johnston?

Also, is Monsters of Folk worth checking out?

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For M. Ward, I'd recommend Post-War or Transistor Radio. For Daniel Johnston, I started with Fun, which worked pretty well for me.

Also, Monsters of Folk's album is great. I'd recommend it.

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Also, is Monsters of Folk worth checking out?

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I'd say yes, but i think i preferred Espers' new album III over Monsters of Folk's debut.

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it was BNM'ed by Pitchfork... and you said you don't read Pitchfork! ;)

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When did I say that? I've always said that I use Pitchfork (along with five other critic websites) to look into new music quite often...

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"love comes close" was brilliant. anything else worth checking out by them, or any other artists like cold cave worth checking out? i wasn't even aware modern synthpop existed.

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I'm not afterstasis, but I will use this opportunity to shamelessly whore out Azeda Booth. Check out their album In Flesh Tones, it's really awesome.

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I've listened to poptarti religiously, and even in my sleep, is there any other awesome Boredoms albums I should check out?

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Check out Super æ and Soul Discharge next, they're my favorites after Pop Tatari. There isn't a single Boredoms album that I don't like though, so I'd say they're all worth listening to eventually.

If you want some more similar stuff as well, check out Ponytail if you haven't already (I think I recommended them before). Their two albums, Kamehameha and Ice Cream Spiritual are both great.

every simon joyner album is great. i think my favorite is "hotel lives".

also, pretty much any boredoms album from the 90's will be great... my favorite is "vision creation newsun", though it's quite a bit different from previous albums.

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When did I say that? I've always said that I use Pitchfork (along with five other critic websites) to look into new music quite often...

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nevermind... i'm getting my real life friends confused with rock band forum friends

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neon indian - psychic chasms

miike snow - self titled

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