The reason why I am bumping this thread.

Check the the top score on Bang Your Head (Metal Health), These Days and Cult of Personality on the 360 leaderboards. His other scores still look plausible but BYH...


I am no longer convinced that he is real. Or he has found a serious exploit in the game. Even amazing twitch skill can't net you those scores.

Yeah some of his scores I've seen don't seem possible without some kind of exploit or something

well another top player on ps3 and I tested some of those songs. I can confirm that MasterMO's Bang Your Head score is impossible. even when I had flame notes for nearly the whole song I ended up with 772k which is 2nd to MasterMO's 1.2 million.

These Days might be possible. getting over a million on these days is possible with band/flame.

He has around 800,000 on Buddy Holly if I remember correctly.
How do you even...

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Originally Posted by MasterMo

I'd like to assure you that all of my scores are completely legitimate. What would I have to gain from cheating the leaderboards? That would be no fun!

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After some testing, I believe it's true that your scores are "legitimate," and I can duplicate/better some of the outrageous scores you get. However, that doesn't make the scores any less cheap given the method being used. You say cheating the leaderboards would be no fun, yet I'm not sure how using this exploit (yes, it's clearly an exploit) to top the leaderboards is any different. After testing a few songs, I'm certainly not going to continue using the exploit, and I'll let you keep the number one spot for whatever songs you played this way since there's no value or accomplishment in getting #1 when you have to use an exploit like that.

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Originally Posted by Magnet

After some testing, I believe it's true that your scores are "legitimate," and I can duplicate/better some of the outrageous scores you get. However, that doesn't make the scores any less cheap given the method being used. You say cheating the leaderboards would be no fun, yet I'm not sure how using this exploit (yes, it's clearly an exploit) to top the leaderboards is any different. After testing a few songs, I'm certainly not going to continue using the exploit, and I'll let you keep the number one spot for whatever songs you played this way since there's no value or accomplishment in getting #1 when you have to use an exploit like that.

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If it's just band/flame or jack/flame then i don't see them being cheap. However on Bang Your Head (Metal Health)..a typical good band/flame or jack/flame score will net you in the 600k range and a really really amazing run will give you in the high 700k range. Not 1.2 million..

All my setlist 1sts where achieved mostly with jack flame or good juggling with powerups and good OD usage

I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with Jackpot or Flame Notes

Boy, this escalated...

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Originally Posted by HeyRiles

I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with Jackpot or Flame Notes

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You are half right. It has nothing to do with Jackpot. Hell, I'm terrible with jackpot when it comes to switching lanes. All my cross-platform first place scores - all 400 of them - come from Bandmate/Flame.

Let me explain the science behind my strategy. As you all know, each flame note you hit means another flame note appears on two lanes. To keep flame notes spreading indefinitely, you can ignore one track entirely if you can hit every flame note that appears on all of the rest. Putting down bandmate takes care of one track. On a five-lane song, you still need to jump around quite a bit. But on four lane songs, where most of my top scores come from, two lanes isn't too difficult to manage.

See, the timing window for notes in this game is pretty huge. Huge enough that it's pretty easy to hit a note, switch lanes, and hit an adjacent note. I believe this is a strategy many jackpot players use to safely switch lanes. I do (or at least try, on more complex songs) that repeatedly between two lanes, and hit every single note in those two lanes.

That's the beauty of the strategy. I'm not reacting to flame notes. It doesn't require "amazing twitch skill." All I'm doing is following a pattern and letting the flames land where they do, knowing that as long as my bandmate is active and I can hit every note in the two lanes I'm playing, flame notes won't ever stop spreading. If that constitutes an exploit, then so be it. But abusing timing windows in past games has never been considered illegitimate (see: squeezing), so why would it be here?

Now if you will excuse me, I have a class presentation to give in three hours and responding to these accusations has distracted me from my preparations for that.

Well, I'm glad your "strategy," that amounts to little more than reducing the game to button mashing, is out there now. Now the four-lane leaderboards can be entirely pointless for those that don't find having hand seizures to be much fun.

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Originally Posted by MasterMo

That's the beauty of the strategy. I'm not reacting to flame notes. It doesn't require "amazing twitch skill."

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Well 4 lane songs are now completely pointless.