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Originally Posted by NightmareLyre

If that is actually possible I think you might have found a way to completely break the game

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Well hells bells!
According to several others ITT MasterMO already did that. :rolleyes:

Of course they are really mostly embittered because they were beat.

MasterMO pointed out that Jackpot users probably hit adjacent notes as well, so are they exploiters? To not break jackpot and effectively swap lanes for white notes and flame notes you would have to in many places. I discovered this accidentally, and afterwards I did it intentionally to hit adjacent flame notes, but I never put it together to do it as he described. He leveled the playing field, you all have the power, if you possess an equal amount of skill and don't miss you can do it as well.
I also discovered that Synchrony allowed you to do the same thing although the window sems much smaller, and the only reason I found that was dead space at the beginning or end of the songs honing my fast lane switching.

When my old slow ass lets a note slide by in RB3 but I get it just before it is too late, and consciously make that effort is that an exploit?

He is using a mechanic that is working as intended and being treated pretty poorly by a lot of people that tbqh have no reason to do so.

It was only a matter of time before the super win button exploit was discovered, as it is in a competitive game like this, and five months is a pretty decent time before it starts spreading.

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Originally Posted by HeyRiles

Your statement was that people reprimanding him for this exploit couldn't score a top five on their own anyway. This is absolutely incorrect. Anything else about the statement you attempt to change now in a new post is completely bunk. You didn't say anything about everyone getting top fives, and I didn't say anything about everyone getting top fives, you said those in this thread right now couldn't get top fives, and this is incorrect. I say this twice in case you didn't read it the first time

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No. I. Did. Not. I said SOME you just assumed I was talking about you. I even used a magnifying highlighter on it so you can see better.

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Originally Posted by Diamaniacal

I'm willing to bet some of those accosting you for this couldn't hit the top 3 or 4 without a score where you did this.

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Originally Posted by HeyRiles

I don't think you comprehend what the pause exploit is, or you're confusing it with something else

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You might have me here I am under the impression that the pause exploit was in RB and you could pause the game, resume it and it would rewind allowing you to hit a missed note. I have heard it discussed, and I know if that is in fact it it has been fixed.

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Originally Posted by HeyRiles

Powder puff teams playing professional doesn't sound like it has anything to do with random. Or wait, are you saying now that with how random the game is you may as well have powder puff players playing professional Paul? Because that isn't an analogy at all. Unless you're saying the powder puff analogy with randomness is also something that is irrelevant to the randomness, in which case, yes, I cannot comprehend your argument here

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I'm not going to argue this point with you, it didn't ring with you and it could have been in the delivery. What I meant was that the randomness of the powerup notes gave 2 equally skilled players in a locked match (pre-defined settings 1 run) the equivalent of the kind of matchups that I described. I was saying that the randomness the game provides gives situation where it is an impossible matchup.

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Originally Posted by HeyRiles

This is true, and has nothing to do with the exploit anymore

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It is not an exploit.

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Originally Posted by HeyRiles

Now you're saying it's the same no matter how many times you play. But the purple notes are random. What are you trying to say here?

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I'm saying that you can keep on playing over and over and you can beat someones score because eventually probability dictates you will get a layout that allows it.
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You can be in a locked score war and play once (equally skilled players) and the winner will be determined by the luck of the draw.

It is all the same the leaderboards are MEANINGLESS and were flawed because of the design of the game. Is there skill involved? YES there most certainly is, he has laid it out, he practiced his method, he is not cheating in anyway, he even gave everyone the keys to the kingdom and got back replies such as "Well you can just keep your #1 spots where you have them, 'cos I don't want to play that way"

Beat his scores or just shut up about it. I guess you can also continue the crying and moaning and report him as an exploiter and wee where that goes, of course at this point HMX is for sure going to see this thread and take notice, and we'll just wait and see what happens with that. I'm betting nothing because he is not doing anything that the game was not designed to allow him to do. Blitz was touted as giving you a lot of options, and that you could use a variety of powerups in a lot of different combinations to maximize your score potential and that is exactly what he is doing.

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Originally Posted by Lowlander2

It was only a matter of time before the super win button exploit was discovered, as it is in a competitive game like this, and five months is a pretty decent time before it starts spreading.

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Before I go to bed once again I feel compelled to point out that THIS IS NOT AN EXPLOIT.
Homefully tomorrow someone will chime in officially.

While I had always known that a good portion of the community surrounding these games were harshly defensive and somewhat competitive, I had no idea people would take it to this extreme.

My God, let the man do his thing and continue about your play time. Everyone used Jackpot/Flame because it was ridiculously overpowered and no one complained because everyone was using it. There are various methods and approaches to using Jackpot/Flame but no one cared because they were all "legitimate". The 2 and 3 lane songs were "ruined" because someone found the right power-up combos that completely break those songs and yet for some reason NO ONE complains about those even though they exploit the spawning of the flame notes. The only difference between those broken songs and these now broken 4 lane songs is that you actually have to do something to get there.

I mean hell, I'm more than confident it's been beaten in the past month, but I could get a 1st place on Hanuman by only playing one track the entire time, swapping over to the other just to get OD and popping back. That's no fun. Anyone can do it. No one complains. And if what he's doing is an exploit, I would argue that what I did and everyone else does on 2-3 lane songs are as well. Yet everyone yells about this one simply because only one guy figured it out and shared the secret.

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Originally Posted by Toastwins

While I had always known that a good portion of the community surrounding these games were harshly defensive and somewhat competitive, I had no idea people would take it to this extreme.

My God, let the man do his thing and continue about your play time. Everyone used Jackpot/Flame because it was ridiculously overpowered and no one complained because everyone was using it. There are various methods and approaches to using Jackpot/Flame but no one cared because they were all "legitimate". The 2 and 3 lane songs were "ruined" because someone found the right power-up combos that completely break those songs and yet for some reason NO ONE complains about those even though they exploit the spawning of the flame notes. The only difference between those broken songs and these now broken 4 lane songs is that you actually have to do something to get there.

I mean hell, I'm more than confident it's been beaten in the past month, but I could get a 1st place on Hanuman by only playing one track the entire time, swapping over to the other just to get OD and popping back. That's no fun. Anyone can do it. No one complains. And if what he's doing is an exploit, I would argue that what I did and everyone else does on 2-3 lane songs are as well. Yet everyone yells about this one simply because only one guy figured it out and shared the secret.

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Originally Posted by Diamaniacal

No. I. Did. Not. I said SOME you just assumed I was talking about you

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I know you said that, and then you said this

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Originally Posted by Diamaniacal

Wow so you know for a fact that everyone in here could do that? EVERY poster or are you just speaking for yourself?

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You claim that some people here are unable to beat his scores. I disagreed, with the knowledge that all of myself, Magnet, and Zagesaw are capable and have beaten his scores on several occasions, with or without the exploit. And then you treated it like you were saying everybody can beat them, and now you're saying that some people can beat him. Are you an idiot?

It is an exploit, and it's being played in a way that was not meant to be played. It's the same thing with pause squeezing, where you pause the game in order to extend an overdrive period for a bit longer. It's the same thing with the RB3 band vocals exploit, where people would be in a band and have a bandmate intentionally fail out while the vocalist was in overdrive, causing the overdrive to stop prematurely and save it for a future phrase, causing them to have an inflated solo score that is impossible while actually playing solo (refer to the Llama vocals leaderboards). It's the same thing with drummers in RB2 that hit the notes hidden under the fill lanes for additional points. It is NOT the same thing as timing the overdrive usage correctly in order to squeeze out an additional few points on instruments

What makes an exploit an exploit is playing the game in a way that was not meant to be played. While there is a way to legitimately get both notes at the same hit box at the same time in two lanes via Synchrony, hitting a note, switching yourself, and hitting another note in the same hit box placement is NOT an intended feature. It's an exploit

EDIT: I'll clarify that I'm neither supporting nor denying his choice in playing other than I'm not going to do it myself since it takes all the fun out of the game, but I can't allow people to not call it an exploit, whether it's an acceptable thing or not

One last post before I finally go to bed.

I've had some conversations about this off-site and have a better understanding of the situation. I think I now have a better understanding of the issues some of you have with what I've been doing and I can see a bit better what the big deal is. There is definitely a conversation to be had, in regards to where this leaves the status of top-level play and what should be done about it.

Because believe it or not, I do agree that the scores I get are ridiculous. I recognize that it shouldn't be possible to double or more the next highest score as easily as it can be done. What I didn't expect was the malice I've received because of it. The rhythm game scene, at it's highest level, has always been about squeezing every last point out of a song. So receiving so much backlash from telling people how to do so easier came as a shock to me.

That said, I'd appreciate it if we could have this conversation in a more civilized manner than has happened thus far. I've said a few harsh things, and I apologize for that. But I believe the majority of the posts made in this thread, both for and against my point of view, have been needlessly hostile and that does not facilitate a healthy discussion. Hopefully that changes going forward.

This is not an exploit.

You have no reason to defend yourself MasterMo.

Easy Solution - Patch it and reset all the leaderboards.

Let's all start again !

Forza did that a few years back when an exploit was discovered.