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Originally Posted by killer_roach

I'd go George > Ringo > Paul > John myself.

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George > Ringo > Paul > John: for pop sensibilities
John > George > Ringo > Paul: for progressive/avant-garde sensibilities.

Well I suppose all that we agree on is that George is pretty fantastic.

I will say that Paul wrote two absolutely fantastic songs solo, Maybe I'm Amazed and Band on the Run, and one great song, Live and Let Die, while the rest ranges from decent to Wonderful Christmastime.

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Originally Posted by Gowienczyk

George > Ringo > Paul > John: for pop sensibilities
John > George > Ringo > Paul: for progressive/avant-garde sensibilities.

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Except I'd argue that the real presence behind the avant-garde elements of John's solo material was actually Yoko (witness the Plastic Ono Band).

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Except I'd argue that the real presence behind the avant-garde elements of John's solo material was actually Yoko (witness the Plastic Ono Band).

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That's to argue John wasn't already interested in avant-garde and world music before Yoko Ono. I'd say he was minutely interested by avant/progressive concepts a year or two before he even met Yoko Ono (Magical Mystery Tour, etc).

True, although that could be said of most of the Beatles.

I've been in Tennessee all week, and I think they changed the state mascot to meth while I was gone.

Just found out a couple of days ago that the MBV finished mastering their new album last week. To say that I'm excited that the new album is finally coming is a tremendous understatement since we first heard the rumblings of something in 2010.

AWK on RB? Thank you. Best day ever.

It's about damn time, that's for sure.

I don't know how many of you guys on here are into hip-hop, but Good Kid, M.A.A.D City by Kendrick Lamar is as good of a hip-hop album as I've heard in years. Damn good stuff.

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I don't know how many of you guys on here are into hip-hop, but Good Kid, M.A.A.D City by Kendrick Lamar is as good of a hip-hop album as I've heard in years. Damn good stuff.

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There is much better hip-hop this year and without crunk-inspired beats, production, and samples that leave a lot to be desired.

That album was pretty bland. Killer Mike, Aesop Rock (actually might be his best offering to date), Death Grips, and Nas all had far superior releases this year.

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That album was pretty bland. Killer Mike, Aesop Rock (actually might be his best offering to date), and Nas all had far superior releases this year.

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The Gift of Gab as well.

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That album was pretty good. Action Bronson, Killer Mike, Death Grips, and Ab-Soul all had far superior releases this year.

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Are Animal Collective's first few albums worth listening to? I've listened to everything since Strawberry Jam and haven't dug any of it, but it seems like they're pretty well-liked, so I want to at least give them a chance before I write them off completely.

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Are Animal Collective's first few albums worth listening to? I've listened to everything since Strawberry Jam and haven't dug any of it, but it seems like they're pretty well-liked, so I want to at least give them a chance before I write them off completely.

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I didnt much care for Strawberry Jam, but much liked Merriweather Post Pavilion so I don't know there. But I did like Here Comes the Indian, Sung Tongs, Feels and the Avery Tare & Panda Bear output separately. I would say its worth a shot.

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I didnt much care for Strawberry Jam, but much liked Merriweather Post Pavilion so I don't know there. But I did like Here Comes the Indian, Sung Tongs, Feels and the Avery Tare & Panda Bear output separately. I would say its worth a shot.

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Yeah. Strawberry Jam (and their recent albums, too, I guess) sound too much like a less talented/annoying-instead-of-endearing version of The Flaming Lips, but I'll give their other records a spin.

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Are Animal Collective's first few albums worth listening to? I've listened to everything since Strawberry Jam and haven't dug any of it, but it seems like they're pretty well-liked, so I want to at least give them a chance before I write them off completely.

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Avey Tare and Panda Bear's Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished is among my very favorite albums. The output of Animal Collective before they were called Animal Collective outside of that is generally middling or straight-up ****e.

Sung Tongs is one of the great freak folk records to be released, and HCTI and Feels have their fans. Though Feels might be closer to the Strawberry Jams sound, the former two definitely are very different.

I hate screamo/metalcore and have no respect for it.

Am I using this thread correctly?

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I hate screamo/metalcore and have no respect for it.

Am I using this thread correctly?

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Yeah, you've used this thread properly.

Presuming you're talking about what passes for screamo and metalcore these days, I'd agree. But actual screamo and metalcore, which have nothing to do with the music those terms are associated with nowadays, are usually pretty great.

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Avey Tare and Panda Bear's Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished is among my very favorite albums. The output of Animal Collective before they were called Animal Collective outside of that is generally middling or straight-up ****e.

Sung Tongs is one of the great freak folk records to be released, and HCTI and Feels have their fans. Though Feels might be closer to the Strawberry Jams sound, the former two definitely are very different.

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I gave Sung Tongs a listen last night, and while I loved the music itself, the vocals still strike me as annoying more often than not. Regardless, I appreciated the little nods to XTC's psychedelic folk period throughout the record.

I'll give Spirit They're Gone a spin tonight!

Feels is easily my favorite Animal Collective, followed by Sung Tongs and Hollinndagain.

EDIT: Also, Person Pitch is up there with Feels.

I've only seriously listened to Feels and Merryweather whatever and I appreciate Feels a lot more. I've grown tired of Merryblabla after a few listens.

RO: Hope Sandoval has one of the sweetest voices I've ever heard.

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But actual screamo and metalcore, which have nothing to do with the music those terms are associated with nowadays, are usually pretty great.

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Indeed, what I've listened to of both I've enjoyed quite a bit. I've recently discovered a newer Metalcore band Creatures, which sound pretty cool from the sample I listened to.

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Feels is easily my favorite Animal Collective, followed by Sung Tongs and Hollinndagain.

EDIT: Also, Person Pitch is up there with Feels.

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Definitely prefer Panda Bear and Avey Tare to Animal Collective, but Feels was a nice record. I don't see myself returning to it often, though the songwriting was strong and the vocals weren't as obstrusive as they usually are for them.

Retroactively, I think Celebration Rock by Japandroids is my 2nd favorite album of 2012, even though I didn't actually listen to it until 2013.

Modern music is horrible. No comparison to the music of the past is needed.


Once in a blue moon, something good comes, but that's about it.

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Modern music is horrible. No comparison to the music of the past is needed.

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Maybe stop listening to pop radio stations and actually look for better modern music?

Don't listen to the modern rock stations, either.

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Maybe stop listening to pop radio stations and actually look for better modern music?

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Mayber all modern music in general is just bad and/or generic.

Edit: Yeah, I meant the modern rock stations, too, but it's really difficult to find good stuff in an era that's comprised mostly of ignorant, pretentious kids.

I'm sure your parents said the same thing years ago

Ha, no, they loved the music they grew up with.

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Originally Posted by Nirvaniac

Modern music is horrible. No comparison to the music of the past is needed.


Once in a blue moon, something good comes, but that's about it.

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Music is as good and diverse as ever, just have to put some effort in and look for it as it's not being played on radio or TV anymore which caters to mainstream audiences and that of which currently like generic music. Absolutely does not mean all modern music is horrible, that in itself is a generic statement.

This is why the internet is so important to music nowadays, so artists can be discovered rather than shunned behind the generic crap.

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Modern music is horrible. No comparison to the music of the past is needed.

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This is an idiotic and incorrect statement. Honestly this kind of crap doesn't provoke anything intellectual and is weighed with pointlessness and irrelevance.

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This is why the internet is so important to music nowadays, so artists can be discovered rather than shunned behind the generic crap.

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80% of my music collection is in no way related to the internet. Haven't heard it on the internet, haven't been recommended it by someone on the internet.

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80% of my music collection is in no way related to the internet. Haven't heard it on the internet, haven't been recommended it by someone on the internet.

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Just sayin' how there are other (and better) ways of discovering new music other than AM/FM radio nowadays. The internet is just one of them and arguably the biggest for unsigned, low-tier/mid-tier artists to get their name out there for more people to hear and discover.

For me, it's probably about 70% of the music I listen to I would have never known if it wasn't for the internet and its streaming services, recommendations, social media sites, etc. And a good majority of those being downright impossible to discover without the internet, so I'd say it's a pretty good method to go by.

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Mayber all modern music in general is just bad and/or generic.

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The same can be said for every decade before us. It's just that all of the crappy bands and artists have, for the most part, been forgotten by the proverbial sands of time. Take a look at any Top 40 chart from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s and you'll see plenty of acts you'd rather not listen to among the so-called classics.

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The same can be said for every decade before us. It's just that all of the crappy bands and artists have, for the most part, been forgotten by the proverbial sands of time. Take a look at any Top 40 chart from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s and you'll see plenty of acts you'd rather not listen to among the so-called classics.

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If the so-called "classics" even made the charts at all.

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Yeah. Strawberry Jam (and their recent albums, too, I guess) sound too much like a less talented/annoying-instead-of-endearing version of The Flaming Lips

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