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Originally Posted by MronoC

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be dismantled, pillaged, and burned to the ground how does Metallica get nomintated their first year of eligibility, but not Stevie Ray Vaughn? Also, how the hell does Madonna get in before Alice Cooper!

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It's actually Metallica's second year of eligibility.

Plus Metallica are more famous and well known than SRV.

The Hall just needs new management.

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Originally Posted by a21schizoidman

well, I wasn't necessarily aiming at you, considering there are many Pantera fans on the forums, but I can't see what's so great about them. I just see them as overrated, nothing wrong with all of you liking them, but where I'm from, all I've heard since middle school is how great Dimebag was, and he's no more special to me than Robby Krieger or Eric Clapton (both mediocre IMO)

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Agreed on Robby Krieger, although I really do like Clapton.

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Originally Posted by Rockbandfan23467

It's actually Metallica's second year of eligibility.

Plus Metallica are more famous and well known than SRV.

The Hall just needs new management.

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actually its their first, dumbass

and SRV is quite well known

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Originally Posted by a21schizoidman

actually its their first, dumbass

and SRV is quite well known

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No, Kill Em' All Came out in 1983, they will be inducted in 2009.

2009
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SRV is no where near Metallica's status on popularity.

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Originally Posted by Rockbandfan23467

No, Kill Em' All Came out in 1983, they will be inducted in 2009.

2009
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SRV is no where near Metallica's status on popularity.

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SRV's first album was Texas Flood, released in 1983, and it is his first year of eligibility,

and where is he no where nearly as well known as Metallica? among the 10 people you know that you keep saying is the majority of all fans?

I thought they were inducted earlier this year -_-

I don't keep up with the hall of fame, anyway. I really can't say who's in and who isn't.

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Originally Posted by a21schizoidman

and where is he no where nearly as well known as Metallica? among the 10 people you know that you keep saying is the majority of all fans?

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I imagine he's going off of the Black album's sales.

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Originally Posted by Rockbandfan23467

It's actually Metallica's second year of eligibility.

Plus Metallica are more famous and well known than SRV.

The Hall just needs new management.

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The first year of eligibility for a band or artist is 25 years after the release of their debut album, Metallica's "Kill 'em All" was released in 1983 (the same year as SRV's Texas Flood), making 2008 (25 years later) their first year of eligibility. Also, SRV is very well known, and one would think that the fact that he's passed would influence the nomination, but apparently a new album release outweighs a loss of life.

Also, who the hell are the Dave Clark Five?

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Originally Posted by Rockbandfan23467

No, Kill Em' All Came out in 1983, they will be inducted in 2009.

2009
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SRV is no where near Metallica's status on popularity.

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but they weren't eligible for nomination for the 2008 induction, which took place in 2007.

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Originally Posted by MronoC

Also, who the hell are the Dave Clark Five?

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An underrated British invasion group.

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Originally Posted by a21schizoidman

well, I wasn't necessarily aiming at you, considering there are many Pantera fans on the forums, but I can't see what's so great about them. I just see them as overrated, nothing wrong with all of you liking them, but where I'm from, all I've heard since middle school is how great Dimebag was, and he's no more special to me than Robby Krieger or Eric Clapton (both mediocre IMO)

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I just shake my head at thee. Have I not showed you the Floods solo? AND YOU PUT IT UP ON ONE OF YOUR GREATEST SOLOS LISTS?!

And where the hell have you been on Live? A friend of mine and I have been waiting for you to get on to jam!!!!!

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Originally Posted by a21schizoidman

SRV's first album was Texas Flood, released in 1983, and it is his first year of eligibility,

and where is he no where nearly as well known as Metallica? among the 10 people you know that you keep saying is the majority of all fans?

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No, among everyone. SRV is mostly known in the Blues-Rock Community, with much acclaim for his guitar abilities.

Metallica had all of their albums after Puppets score in the top 10, and definitly are more known than SRV.

Metallica are in the Legends of Rock book. SRV isn't.

And just so I don't get accused:

I LIKE BOTH ARTISTS

I miss changing font size :(

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I just shake my head at thee. Have I not showed you the Floods solo? AND YOU PUT IT UP ON ONE OF YOUR GREATEST SOLOS LISTS?!

And where the hell have you been on Live? A friend of mine and I have been waiting for you to get on to jam!!!!!

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ive been playin Madden a lot lately, Im in a phase, lol I wanna jam the endless setlist online, lol

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Originally Posted by Rockbandfan23467

No, among everyone. SRV is mostly known in the Blues-Rock Community, with much acclaim for his guitar abilities.

Metallica had all of their albums after Puppets score in the top 10, and definitly are more known than SRV.

Metallica are in the Legends of Rock book. SRV isn't.

And just so I don't get accused:

I LIKE BOTH ARTISTS

I miss changing font size :(

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just stop, everyone here knows you are just talking out of your ass

I thought you two had each other on your ignore lists?

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Originally Posted by a21schizoidman

just stop, everyone here knows you are just talking out of your ass

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I do have to agree with the Shiz, there are TONS of metalheads that are inspired by Stevie, as much as I am. Stevie wasn't just known in the blues community.

And Shiz, I would do the endless set list, but I just don't want to deal with Visions. I applaud Harmonix for opening the floodgates for "extreme" metal(I'm still crossing my fingers for Immortal) but my goodness, it's not even fun, nor does it sound good.

I do think RockBandFan is talking about overall awareness, and I do have to agree more people on the street would recognize the name Metallica over Stevie Ray Vaughan. This is not a good thing.

However, if you played a song by each, they would probably recognize Stevie Ray.

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I do think RockBandFan is talking about overall awareness, and I do have to agree more people on the street would recognize Metallica over Stevie Ray Vaughan. This is not a good thing.

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I'm more disturbed more people will recognize Dashboard Confessional than say Sonic Youth and bands of the likes

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Originally Posted by instantdeath999

This is my opinion mixed with simple analysis of the music.

-Metallica usually have longer songs. While this seems trivial, one of the characteristic elements of Thrash metal is the length. Thrash would often extend the length of their songs, to fit in multiple time signatures, and to help escape mainstream cliche's.

I've never heard of this. As far as I know, Megadeth, Anthrax, and especially Slayer have very short songs, all the time.

- Metallica generally have much more distorted instruments, another huge characteristic of Thrash metal.

I guess that counts...

- Metallica usually contains harsher, deeper vocals, as compared to the much higher pitched vocal style of the early Dave Mustaine.

That counts too?

- Metallica usually have better written lyrics.

That's debatable. Very debatable.

- Metallica arguably recorded one of the first Thrash records, although much of it was thanks to Dave Mustaine.

I'll give them that.

- Metallica seems to change tempo's more frequently, although that is definitely up for debate.

This is true, I'll agree. If you listen to Megadeth a lot, you notice that they slow down and speed up a lot in their songs, but it's usually the same tempo cut in half. One clear exception is Hanger 18, which just throws their old tempo completely out the window.

Of course, I can say many things that Megadeth do better than Metallica.

Same here :)

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Quote quote, read the quote.

"Metallica usually have longer songs. While this seems trivial, one of the characteristic elements of Thrash metal is the length. Thrash would often extend the length of their songs, to fit in multiple time signatures, and to help escape mainstream cliche's."

I probably could have worded that better. I should have said something along the lines of "they were one of the first to extend Thrash to long lengths".

Loveless by My Bloody Valetine is easily one of the greatest Alternative albums ever recorded..

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Originally Posted by Zeleii

I hope Alt rock fans don't lynch me for this but

IMO SSPU > SP

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I thought you meant skinny puppy for a second and I was going to say that I like ice cream much better than bike rides. But now that I know which SP you speak of, I am absolutely in agreement.

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Originally Posted by Soror_YZBL

I thought you meant skinny puppy for a second and I was going to say that I like ice cream much better than bike rides. But now that I know which SP you speak of, I am absolutely in agreement.

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I knew I wasn't crazy :p

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Originally Posted by Zeleii

Loveless by My Bloody Valetine is easily one of the greatest Alternative albums ever recorded..

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Split by Lush is better.

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Originally Posted by Soror_YZBL

Split by Lush is better.

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IDK, haven't listened yet... I'll give it a listen later and get back to you on that

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Originally Posted by Zeleii

I knew I wasn't crazy :p

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Honestly, I'd say SP is better in terms of overall technique and range, but I prefer SSPU quite a bit more myself =p

And as for a random music opinion: i herd mikael akerfeldt and henry rollins both liek mudkipz.

And as for the whole Metallica vs. Stevie Ray Vaughn thing goes (never thought I'd ever say that XD), they're both widely known, and while Stevie Ray Vaughn blows Metallica out of the water, Metallica is the household name that nearly every family in America knows. I'd venture to say that's the main reason.

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I don't keep up with the hall of fame, anyway. I really can't say who's in and who isn't.

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The Sex Pistols summed up my opinion on the hall of fame quite nicely. I'm still baffled as to why neither Rush nor KISS have even been nominated despite both being eligible for years and both being very important to the genre. Hell, the final nail in the coffin was when Grandmaster Flash and Madonna were inducted before bands like KISS and Rush were even nominated.

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Originally Posted by Xaris3514

The Sex Pistols summed up my opinion on the hall of fame quite nicely. I'm still baffled as to why neither Rush nor KISS have even been nominated despite both being eligible for years and both being very important to the genre. Hell, the final nail in the coffin was when Grandmaster Flash and Madonna were inducted before bands like KISS and Rush were even nominated.

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I still cant believe Rush isnt in. It pisses me off.

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The Sex Pistols summed up my opinion on the hall of fame quite nicely. I'm still baffled as to why neither Rush nor KISS have even been nominated despite both being eligible for years and both being very important to the genre. Hell, the final nail in the coffin was when Grandmaster Flash and Madonna were inducted before bands like KISS and Rush were even nominated.

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It's a proven fact, Rolling Stone and the R&R HoF hates Progressive music... has Yes, Genesis, Kansas ever been nominated?

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Originally Posted by Zeleii

It's a proven fact, Rolling Stone and the R&R HoF hates Progressive music... has Yes, Genesis, Kansas ever been nominated?

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Exactly my point. Bands like Rush, KISS, Genesis, Kansas, Yes, Journey, etc. are a hell of a lot more important than Grandmaster Flash and Madonna. Considering that Madonna and Grandmaster Flash aren't even rock artists, ANY rock band is more important than either of them. And I believe that Iron Maiden is a much more important band to heavy metal than Metallica no matter how popular Metallica is.

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Exactly my point. Bands like Rush, KISS, Genesis, Kansas, Yes, Journey, etc. are a hell of a lot more important than Grandmaster Flash and Madonna. Considering that Madonna and Grandmaster Flash aren't even rock artists, ANY rock band is more important than either of them. And I believe that Iron Maiden is a much more important band to heavy metal than Metallica no matter how popular Metallica is.

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Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest

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Originally Posted by Zeleii

Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest

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And yet Sabbath remains the only one of those three to be inducted.

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Originally Posted by Xaris3514

And yet Sabbath remains the only one of those three to be inducted.

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And the other 2 are if not some of the most influential metal bands... ever

Also, wtf at Van Halen being inducted before either Priest or Maiden? And how are The Stooges just now being nominated?! And, again, How the hell is Alice Cooper not in their!?

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Originally Posted by Zeleii

Loveless by My Bloody Valetine is easily one of the greatest Alternative albums ever recorded..

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100% agree. It's brilliant.

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Originally Posted by MronoC

Also, wtf at Van Halen being inducted before either Priest or Maiden? And how are The Stooges just now being nominated?! And, again, How the hell is Alice Cooper not in their!?

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And wasn't Madonna inducted?

I think it's pretty common knowledge that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke to the rock community.

i think grandmaster flash being in the hall of fame makes sense, and i'm willing to bet he's been far more influential and innovative than most would care to admit.

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Originally Posted by MronoC

Also, wtf at Van Halen being inducted before either Priest or Maiden? And how are The Stooges just now being nominated?! And, again, How the hell is Alice Cooper not in their!?

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It's like ROlling Stone... nobody should take R&R HoF seriously

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Originally Posted by MronoC

And how are The Stooges just now being nominated?!

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Because it's one of the very first punk bands.

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Originally Posted by Insane3

Because it's one of the very first punk bands.

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He meant it as... how did it take them this long

I lost what little faith (and trust me, there was very little) in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when they didn't even nominate Stevie Ray Vaughn. Also, Madonna was influential to pop, yes, but does she really belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?