On Rock Band compatibility-

[bklynpnk]

All people defending hmx, need to take a long walk of a short peir.

sorry but just go ahead and die now, and leave the planet to the smarter people.

hmx assume the gh3 guitar would work, and made an ass out of themselves. if I could return the darned thing I would and I'd get a 360 version, but the software is open now, so no store will take it back.

if the box said 'only comptaible with rockband accerories' then they'd be covered. but it doesnt, it leads to to belive other accersories could be used.

this whole 'standard controller' thing is just b.s. p.r. cover for a company thats a deer stuck in the head lights. Theres no standard, its whatever the company decided to make it. the only standard are the buttons allowed. on the ps3, arrows, r1,2, triangle etc. they just map those to the controller.

all it would take is one of the geniuses are hmx or ea, or whoever to plug the gh3 guitar in and go, hey guys, this doesn't work.

but no they were all to lazy counting the millions they would make to even try that.

What other explaination is there? they screwed up. now they should ethier own up and fix it. with a patch. no need for red octane, plug in the gh3 guitar see what each button outputs, and then have rockband re-map those keys. Dont know if a patch like that is possible, but it doesn't require any code from r.o. hmx could do it on its own. its not like r.o. is outputing some secret code.

or allow us all to get a full refund because this game on the ps3 right now is bunk.

and to anyone that just bought the software... screw hmx. i'm not a lawsuit person, but you cannot play the game, and now cannot return it. So sue them.

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I'd like to hear one, valid defense of hmx. because honestly there isn't one

Ok, this is starting to border on ridiculous. First off, if the box said 'only comptaible with rockband accerories' then they'd be covered. but it doesnt, it leads to to belive other accersories could be used.
is not true. Ps3 users do not equal everyone. 1 guitar does not work, that is a simple fact. The xplorer model and the LP model for 360 works, so don't make it out like only RB accessories work. Second, RO has already made a statement saying they are going to work to make it compatible. Yet the whine fest still continues. What is that? "We want EA/HMX to respond to our crying party"....I would expect them to do so if RB controllers were not working, and they are doing something for the controllers via warranty. I even suspect recalls coming for the guitars...but the gh3 controller is NOT theirs. It is not about defending HMX, it is about having a little common sense. GH3 controllers don't even work with the previous installments of the game, so it sounds to me like 360 owners somehow lucked out and it works some reason. I do not claim to be a technical god....but if a controller is made that only works for the newest release of the series, not the previous 2....it sounds to me like something different was done to it, something that may create problems for another companies game.

[codman]

What EA/Hamonix did borders on the line of deceptive trade practices.

For months leading up to the release they allowed reports of complete compatibility to circulate without denying them, thus they had knowledge that the information was in the marketplace.

Second they announced they would release a stand alone version of the product, further indicating that it would compatible.

Third, the game requires two guitars for full use but only one is provided. No market but third parties exist for a second.

Fourth, they fill the press with stories that if the product was not pre-ordered it might not be available before the holiday season, thus encouraging people to purchase based on the information available at that time (that is was compatible).

Fifth, the third party guitars were available a month before release and available for EA/HX QA to test. Since they had knowledge that the market believe they were compatible, they had a duty to inform them it was not. EA/HX had the release version, they had a duty because of the above to inform the market.

Instead they wait until most products on pre-order have shipped to let people know they were incompatible.

It doesn't matter whos fault it is they don't work together, it was up to EA/HX to inform the public that they would not work when they had knowledge they would not work.

That is the issue.

Right on brother, AMEN!

[MF-PO'd]

Second, RO has already made a statement saying they are going to work to make it compatible.

Is that official statement somewhere? As far as I've heard, it came from someone receiving an e-mail reply from them that only said they are looking into the issue. Far from a statement that they are definitely going to fix the problem.

As long as the standalone PS3 product is on shelves, and people have purchased it with no way to play it, let the complaints keep coming loud and hard. The current situation is NOT acceptable to anyone with common sense. Even EA admits this product should not be on shelves right now.

[ManOwaR]

Add me to the class action lawsuit. I want a taste.

[Ghaleon]

Good grief, i can see being upset, but it doesn't take more than a intellect of a boiled cabbage to understand why the 360 GH3 guitar works; and only slightly more than that to guess at why the PS3 does not.

In regards to the 360:
When making the Strat, HMX wanted to make it compatible with the X-plorer; so they made it behave the same way.

When making the LP, RO wanted to make it compatible with the X-plorer; so they made the LP behave the same way.

On the PS3:
When making the Strat, HMX wanted to make it compatible with the LP; the best chance of this is to make it behave like the X-plorer on the 360, turns out it didn't work.

When making the LP (on the PS3), RO likely didn't want it compatible with the X-plorer; so they did something differently which, in turn, keeps it from working on Rock Band, which was designed for something similar to the X-plorer.


And finally, I would assume there is something in the basic controller recognition that keeps the 360 X-plorer from being used on the PS3.

[TKurata]

Yeah I want in on the class action suit. I can't even keep track of everybody who misinformed me on this GH3 issue. Not only that but my drums short out about every five minutes, mid-song, requiring me to unplug and replug my USB cord. It's giving me high blood pressure. I'd like to know what purchasers of the standalone game are up to, they must be even more pissed than me. What I'd like to have done:

1. Gamestop refund the money for my useless, overpriced PS3 version of Guitar Hero 3 which they promised would work with Rock Band.

2. Have Harmonix send me a working drum kit without me having to send mine in for repair.

3. Have Harmonix give people who bought the game the option to buy a second guitar NOW, whatever it takes. I really though Rock Band was supposed to be about a FOUR PLAYER EXPERIENCE hello Harmonix, what the hell is up?

Or just make the damn thing work on RB! Point #2 still stands, I don't want to wait around 6 weeks without a drumkit for Rock Band.

Rock Band and Harmonix completely and utterly let me down on this and I've been a HUGE fan since Frequency. Guess they got too big or something.

SHAME ON YOU HARMONIX.

-TK

[Gryffindor]

On the PS3:
When making the Strat, HMX wanted to make it compatible with the LP; the best chance of this is to make it behave like the X-plorer on the 360, turns out it didn't work.

When making the LP (on the PS3), RO likely didn't want it compatible with the X-plorer; so they did something differently which, in turn, keeps it from working on Rock Band, which was designed for something similar to the X-plorer.


And finally, I would assume there is something in the basic controller recognition that keeps the 360 X-plorer from being used on the PS3.

The main flaw in this argument is that to blame GH/RO they would have had to know what code/mapping HMX was using with its guitars. I can guarantee that they didn't possess that knowledge.

Nowhere on any of the packaging for GH3 does it state that their game will work with any other controller. In fact, it states that it will only work with THEIR controller. THEY were honest while HMX was not.

[rwthib]

Nov 1. EA CEO Riccitiello said unless you pre-order Rock Band or get in line on launch day, "unless you have a buddy that works at one of our retailers you're not gonna have it at Christmas."

Nov 5. PR Release:
Rock Band software will support a variety of third-party instrument peripherals

Nov 19. Report on IGN
Though we were lead to believe otherwise, the Guitar Hero III wireless Les Paul does not work with the PS3 version of Rock Band.

So on Nov 1 we are told that unless we get it now, we can not get it.
Nov 5 EA PR reassures us that the game supports a variety of third-party instruments.

Nov 19, the day it ships, News is released that there are no third-party instruments for PS3.

Again, I don't care why, what I care is that EA both allowed and fostered a false impression about their product.

Did EA have to support other products? No
But once they sent out a press release saying they would and then let others in the press believe that the support was their, they had an obligation to either make sure they had support or let people know that while they allow support, nothing was available.
They did neither.

[darien87]

Why would you say that? There are plenty of options. Buy another bundle. Or have a deadbeat friend that wants to play your game buy a bundle. Just because you aren't willing to do what it takes at this moment to acquire another controller does not mean it is impossible. How about calling Sony up and asking them why they have yet to make a good converter for the ps2 controllers. Otherwise, EA/HMX has been true with their statement of most. 1 controller does not work, the ps3 LP. That leaves the RB controller, the 360 LP and the LP xplorer.

The idea of your statement floors me completely. Now it you will excuse me, I am going to call up Microsoft and complain that my blu ray disks won't play in the addon drive.

You cannot be serious. That has got to be about the most ******ed statement I've ever read. Do you actually expect me to purchase another bundle? What am I supposed to with the extra drum kit and microphone, open up a music store?!?!? And it isn't just 1 controller that doesn't work, NO controller works, other than the one that came in the box!!! I even tried my old guitar that came with GH 1; the same guitar that I've been using for GH, GH 2, and GH 80's. Guess what??? That one doesn't work either!!!

If RB is really built on "open" standards as EA claims, why doesn't this controller work?!?!?

Bottom line is that EA said that RB would be compatible with other controllers, and it isn't!! That's straight-up false advertising.

[darien87]

I am one of the irritated consumers with Rock Band and it's lack of compatibility.
I was really excited to get the bundle package, I didn't realize I wouldn't be able to have a second guitar until 2008. I played the Xbox version in the stores and noticed the Guitar Hero guitar worked with Rock Band.

So I ran out and purchased Guitar Hero 3 (after realizing I was going to spend $100 for a sorta good game but mainly a guitar). When I unboxed it and realized neither of the controllers worked for either game I was hot with anger.
Now I have two games, two equal controllers and can't use both on either!

Look for my Guitar Hero III on eBay, it'll be cheap since it's used once!

Oh by the way, my Rock Band guitar downstrum broke after about 4 hours of use. The next day the upstrum broke. I'm now forced to press the arrow buttons. Perhaps this is why they are waiting to release the guitar, get the bugs knocked out (and me and many others are the test rats).

The same thing happened to me. But my guitar lasted 2 days before breaking at least. I'm still waiting on my replacement guitar. I was told it would ship yesterday, but according to UPS it still hasn't shipped.

As soon as I get the replacement guitar, I'm returning this pile of crap!!!